August 5, 2009 
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August 5, 2009 [00:08:49] *** hever has joined #postfix[00:10:39] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[00:12:39] *** kmq has quit IRC[00:13:38] *** TeckniX has quit IRC[00:13:56] *** seekwill has quit IRC[00:15:00] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[00:15:19] <KB1JWQ> !pony[00:15:19] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "pony" : http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg[00:15:20] <KB1JWQ> !nopony[00:15:21] <knoba> KB1JWQ: Error: "nopony" is not a valid command.[00:15:26] *** InsolentDreams has joined #postfix[00:15:27] <KB1JWQ> !yespony[00:15:27] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "yespony" : http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/Uncle_Tractor/pony.jpg[00:18:01] *** nentis has left #postfix[00:18:40] *** Ober has left #postfix[00:19:25] *** AcTiVaTe has quit IRC[00:20:07] <docta_v> as far as i can tell dkim-filter is timing out while reading from a postfix process[00:20:29] <KB1JWQ> pickcoder: Sending me torque-wrench porn again, I see...[00:20:31] *** TeckniX has quit IRC[00:21:35] <docta_v> accept(4, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(35092), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, [16]) = 12[00:21:45] <docta_v> that is the socket it's timing out while trying to select[00:22:23] *** raubvogel has left #postfix[00:22:36] *** hparker has joined #postfix[00:26:13] *** Vince42 has quit IRC[00:26:34] *** Vince42 has joined #postfix[00:26:37] *** InsolentDreams has left #postfix[00:38:37] <cite> docta_v: You are using Postfix 2.4 or newer, right?[00:38:51] <docta_v> 2.3.8[00:39:11] <cite> Well.[00:39:54] <cite> That might be a problem. I'm not 100% sure if dkim-milter will work at all with that version.[00:40:04] <docta_v> it's working[00:40:06] <cite> I know that there were some serious limitations prior to 2.4[00:40:14] <docta_v> hmm yea perhaps i should try that[00:41:28] *** pingouin has quit IRC[00:43:50] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[00:43:52] *** tris- has joined #postfix[00:44:08] *** tris- has quit IRC[00:44:30] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:44:37] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[00:45:32] *** madrescher has quit IRC[00:45:48] *** Vog has quit IRC[00:46:39] *** mezgani is now known as p3rror[00:47:49] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[00:56:26] *** F6F has joined #postfix[01:00:24] *** hever has quit IRC[01:01:48] <pickcoder> KB1JWQ: at least there is variety[01:08:17] *** ramoni has quit IRC[01:10:56] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[01:12:23] *** war9407 has quit IRC[01:18:13] *** Soldiers_of_God has joined #postfix[01:23:06] *** Soldiers_of_God is now known as derdem[01:23:35] *** derdem is now known as Soldiers_of_God[01:23:51] *** Soldiers_of_God has quit IRC[01:27:03] *** GoGi has quit IRC[01:37:41] *** plee_ has quit IRC[01:38:23] *** hever has joined #postfix[01:39:21] *** muh2000 has joined #postfix[01:43:58] *** muh2000_ has joined #postfix[01:44:59] *** ham has left #postfix[01:45:24] <pickcoder> spamlab has blacklisted our newsletter[01:45:38] <lunaphyte> what a relief. i was getting sick of that thing.[01:45:54] <lunaphyte> :p[01:46:33] *** p3rror has quit IRC[01:47:25] <pickcoder> if someone has registered on our mailing list then they have no right to claim it as spam[01:47:49] <pickcoder> oo.. "bulk mail"[01:48:13] <pickcoder> well hell lets list TigerDirect and uBid while we're at it[01:48:50] <pickcoder> what is "FEB" btw[01:49:33] <lunaphyte> will i don't disagree with you in principle, unfortunately, the line between what people explicitly subscribed to and are surreptitiously subscribed to is grey, at best, and really not getting any clearer.[01:49:46] <lunaphyte> fat ebony babe?[01:49:59] <pickcoder> well we don't harvest e-mails so someone on the FEB list signed up[01:50:20] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[01:50:32] *** kmq_ has quit IRC[01:50:43] <pickcoder> and what's worse is that I _just_ registered that IP for our newsletter mail[01:50:50] <pickcoder> we've never shown on up RBLs until now[01:51:06] <pickcoder> someone's not playing nicely[01:51:10] <lunaphyte> there's never gonna be a shortage of idiots.[01:51:24] <lunaphyte> supply and demand guarantees that.[01:51:26] <pickcoder> nope[01:51:41] <pickcoder> oh well it's late and I'm sick of looking at 3 monitors[01:51:54] <pickcoder> bbl maybe[01:51:57] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[01:56:24] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[01:56:48] *** F6F has quit IRC[02:09:29] *** Southron has joined #Postfix[02:10:05] *** JonnyV has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** bisoc has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** roe_ has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** klem has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** _bugz_ has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** Zygo has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** pa has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** freaky[t] has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** standon has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** TomHome has quit IRC[02:10:05] *** spq` has quit IRC[02:12:07] *** bisoc has joined #postfix[02:12:20] *** spq` has joined #postfix[02:13:02] *** standon has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** Zygo has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** JonnyV has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** klem has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** freaky[t] has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** pa has joined #postfix[02:14:42] *** roe_ has joined #postfix[02:14:43] *** freaky[t] has quit IRC[02:15:03] *** freaky[t] has joined #postfix[02:15:10] *** _bugz_ has joined #postfix[02:20:41] *** madrescher has quit IRC[02:30:12] *** gebi has quit IRC[02:38:24] *** gebi has joined #postfix[02:40:52] *** JonnyV has quit IRC[02:46:14] *** Thazza has joined #postfix[02:50:33] *** joobie has joined #postfix[02:51:24] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[02:51:37] <Thazza> looking for a way to make postfix accept emails via both a forward and a real account.[02:52:51] *** guevolt has joined #postfix[02:52:56] <guevolt> hi guys.[02:53:14] <guevolt> i'm trying to disable the spamssassim from my postfix. how can i do it ?[02:57:36] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[02:57:58] <KB1JWQ> guevolt: That'd depend upon how it's being called by postfix.[02:58:04] <KB1JWQ> Along with what you mean by "disable."[02:58:17] <KB1JWQ> Thazza: Have the .forward include the lcoal account as well.[03:01:09] <lunaphyte> guevolt: the most sensible thing would probably be to do the opposite of what you did to enable it.[03:08:08] <guevolt> KB1JWQ: make all in/out comming emails are be not filtered by the spamd.[03:09:20] <guevolt> lunaphyte: i know. the server that i bought if from godaddy. the control panel can disable the spamassassin but waht it do is shutdown the daemon. the configuration about spamassassin still in master.cf[03:10:07] <guevolt> lunaphyte: when i check the maillog a connection refused(spamd daemon) from postfix is showed.[03:10:38] <guevolt> lunaphyte: this is what the panel control of godaddy do. :) a solution a little ugly.[03:10:42] <lunaphyte> !tell guevolt error report[03:11:53] <KB1JWQ> I don't mess with control panels.[03:12:21] <lunaphyte> sometimes diddling a widget feels soooo good though.[03:13:49] *** hever has quit IRC[03:14:41] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[03:15:06] <Thazza> KB1JWQ: I am using postfix with mysql, how would i go about doing this.. I have an account setup like user1 at domain dot com and a forward setup for user1@domain that goes to user3 at domain dot com.. only the forward works, the emails don't go to the orignal user1@domain account.[03:15:24] <KB1JWQ> Thazza: Then we're not talking .forward files.[03:16:46] <guevolt> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/m3adc3231[03:17:48] <lunaphyte> guevolt: you know if you configure postfix the normal way, it will likely break you fancy control panel interface, right?[03:17:52] <lunaphyte> *your[03:18:13] <guevolt> lunaphyte: yes. i know[03:19:17] <guevolt> lunaphyte: what i'm trying to know is. have some problem only shutdown the spamd daemon and still the master.cf configured to use the spamassassin ?[03:20:00] <lunaphyte> show master.cf[03:21:32] <guevolt> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/m1953eb37[03:22:38] <guevolt> lunaphyte: what i need to do it remove the content_filter from line 5 and remove the line 33-37 ?[03:23:05] <lunaphyte> edit line 5 in master.cf to say smtpd# -o content_filter=spamassassin[03:23:16] <lunaphyte> and then restart postfix[03:23:35] <guevolt> lunaphyte: only it ?[03:23:40] <lunaphyte> yes.[03:23:49] <lunaphyte> 33-37 won't hurt anything.[03:24:10] <lunaphyte> what a lame way to integrate it.[03:28:54] <guevolt> lunaphyte: ok. worked well.[03:29:02] <lunaphyte> cool.[03:29:27] <guevolt> i cant comment the -o content_filter=spamssassin i need remove it.[03:31:10] <guevolt> lunaphyte: thanks dude[03:31:58] <guevolt> lunaphyte: do you know a trust cloud server to hosting simples website and mail server?[03:32:42] <lunaphyte> oh, i guess you can't add comments after non whitespace. i hadn't ever noticed that, i don't think.[03:33:11] <lunaphyte> not erally, no. i'm sure there are plenty out there, but i can't vouch for any in particular.[03:33:15] <lunaphyte> *really[03:33:39] <guevolt> lunaphyte: humm. ok. thanks for all .[03:34:15] *** guevolt has quit IRC[03:34:24] <lunaphyte> sure, you're welcome.[03:42:45] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[03:47:58] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[03:48:55] *** mactimes_ has quit IRC[03:57:43] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[04:03:56] *** Dyson has quit IRC[04:04:15] *** Dyson has joined #postfix[04:04:49] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[04:08:05] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[04:12:05] *** mactimes_ has joined #postfix[04:22:19] *** magyar has left #postfix[04:23:13] *** mactimes has quit IRC[04:25:26] *** mactimes_ has quit IRC[04:44:27] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[05:09:38] *** Extend has quit IRC[05:11:29] *** AllenJB has quit IRC[05:11:31] *** AllenJB has joined #postfix[05:26:39] *** Extend has joined #postfix[05:34:19] *** githogori has joined #postfix[05:41:43] *** Extend has quit IRC[05:46:48] *** Luke-Jr has quit IRC[05:49:04] *** Extend has joined #postfix[05:59:03] *** linguini has joined #postfix[06:15:24] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[06:18:12] *** AndrewKT_ has joined #postfix[06:20:28] *** hark has quit IRC[06:23:39] <linguini> dig walla-walla.wa.us[06:23:43] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[06:23:44] <linguini> oops, wrong window...[06:24:30] *** r3r3 has quit IRC[06:24:56] *** r3r3 has joined #postfix[06:29:31] *** hark has joined #postfix[06:34:44] *** AndrewKT has quit IRC[06:58:03] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[06:58:53] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[07:01:06] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[07:17:50] *** _bt has quit IRC[07:18:20] *** _bt has joined #postfix[07:20:01] *** F6F has joined #postfix[07:33:46] *** mactimes has quit IRC[07:39:13] *** Muhis has quit IRC[07:39:53] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[07:42:30] <Thazza> looking for a way to make postfix accept emails via both a forward and a real account.[07:44:28] <Muhis> hmmm? could you be more specific[07:50:23] *** tjz has joined #postfix[07:51:50] <Thazza> Muhis: I have a postfix setup + mysql, i have a accounts like user1 at domain dot com, user2 at domain dot com and user3 at domain dot com, i want to be able to setup a forward like user1 at domain dot com that the emails go to both the user1 at domain dot com account and also forward to one of the other accounts.[07:56:27] *** Dyson has quit IRC[07:56:47] *** Dyson has joined #postfix[07:59:45] *** Southron has left #Postfix[08:07:37] *** wdp has joined #postfix[08:08:03] *** hparker has quit IRC[08:08:30] <Muhis> Isn't it enough just to list both of the addresses in the alias mapping file... separating them with comma[08:24:07] *** Revision has quit IRC[08:25:20] *** Revision has joined #postfix[08:26:14] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[08:26:46] *** Revision has quit IRC[08:28:16] *** Revision has joined #postfix[08:29:34] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[08:29:34] *** puff has quit IRC[08:31:43] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:31:54] <Thazza> Muhis: doesn't work.[08:41:36] *** sep has quit IRC[08:42:11] *** cilly has joined #postfix[08:50:07] *** amrit|wrk is now known as amrit|zzz[08:51:53] *** orioni has quit IRC[09:02:16] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[09:02:56] *** hever has joined #postfix[09:03:05] *** polaru has joined #postfix[09:05:16] *** orioni has joined #postfix[09:11:58] *** cilly has quit IRC[09:13:15] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:13:49] *** sep has joined #postfix[09:14:50] *** cilly has joined #postfix[09:15:46] *** rashed2020 has quit IRC[09:16:05] *** rashed2020 has joined #postfix[09:18:10] *** alys has joined #postfix[09:19:38] *** alys has quit IRC[09:20:47] *** seekwill has quit IRC[09:21:34] *** _nalle_ is now known as _nalle[09:22:45] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[09:29:09] <dan__t> Well. F. Looks like Yahoo doesn't like me. One bit.[09:31:57] <_ruben> yahoo doesn't like being sent mail to at all ... ;)[09:32:26] <dan__t> Fact.[09:32:32] <KB1JWQ> Amen.[09:32:37] <jeev> Amen2.[09:34:04] <dan__t> Could have something to do with this bullshit creative $customer wanted to send to their list.[09:36:25] *** sep has quit IRC[09:37:47] *** sep has joined #postfix[09:38:39] *** linguini has quit IRC[09:46:34] *** Robbie__ has joined #postfix[09:46:36] *** hever has quit IRC[09:50:42] *** madrescher has quit IRC[09:51:20] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[09:51:45] *** Muhahaa has joined #Postfix[09:51:54] *** joobie has quit IRC[09:52:12] *** hever has joined #postfix[09:52:38] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:55:28] *** wdp has quit IRC[09:55:53] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[09:56:09] *** wdp has joined #postfix[10:03:13] *** Muhis has quit IRC[10:07:52] *** Muhahaa is now known as Muhis[10:08:36] *** Muhis has quit IRC[10:08:54] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[10:18:07] *** cilly has quit IRC[10:30:45] *** wdp_ has joined #postfix[10:30:52] *** wdp_ has quit IRC[10:33:03] *** aixenv has joined #postfix[10:33:52] <aixenv> whats the best "sender-id" mod for use w/postfix? im reading about ''senderid-milter"[10:34:00] <aixenv> anyone have experience with that, or recommend something else?[10:36:35] <Roobarb-Work> I use DKIM myself[10:37:37] *** Thazza has quit IRC[10:41:42] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[10:42:31] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[10:42:34] *** cilly has joined #postfix[10:46:13] *** mrfree has joined #postfix[10:46:16] <mrfree> hi all[10:47:17] <mrfree> I need to restrict email sending to a specific address only from specifyed addresses, which postfix option should I explore?[10:48:57] <dan__t> Likewise, and with it, I use dkimproxy[10:49:36] <xabbuh> mrfree: take a look at check_recipient_access and smtpd_restriction_classes[10:56:20] *** sep has quit IRC[11:19:38] *** sophokles has quit IRC[11:21:48] *** jense has joined #postfix[11:22:02] <aixenv> ok so the DKIM module can handle that?[11:23:25] *** testmail has joined #postfix[11:24:14] <testmail> Sorry friends , this is my 1st ever postfix installtion on suse sles 10 need help ,[11:25:38] <testmail> what is best way to setup a postfix on network where my mail server is dmz (using nat to acess mail) from firewall and firewall will control smtp (routeing/relay)[11:27:40] *** poli_ has joined #postfix[11:27:43] *** cilly has quit IRC[11:29:53] <aixenv> anyone have any good docs on DKIM?, if not ill google[11:30:03] *** madrescher has quit IRC[11:33:04] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[11:33:11] *** poli has quit IRC[11:33:26] *** jacekowski has joined #postfix[11:33:27] <jacekowski> hi[11:34:08] <jacekowski> i've got some problem with postfix or outlook or something in between[11:34:09] <jacekowski> Aug 5 10:34:13 gateway3 postfix/smtpd[24560]: lost connection after DATA from unknown[192.168.1.55][11:34:26] <jacekowski> it is happening only on one computer[11:34:32] <jacekowski> i've changed network card there[11:35:52] <mrfree> xabbuh, thz the RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html file contains all that I need ;)[11:36:08] <xabbuh> mrfree: no problem :-)[11:38:58] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[11:40:08] *** orioni has quit IRC[11:40:15] *** Muhis has joined #Postfix[11:42:25] *** F6F has quit IRC[11:42:31] *** perlmonkey has joined #postfix[11:44:07] <perlmonkey> Hi, I'm having a strange problem wonder if anyone could help.. for someone reason mail sent to two new e-mail addresses I've created is bouncing and being returned as "delay denied".. I've added my mail host to the domain names MX records, and I've also added the domain names to virtual and done a postmap on it[11:44:12] <perlmonkey> any ideas?[11:48:54] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[11:53:00] *** cilly has joined #postfix[11:53:49] <aixenv> do i want dkim-milter or dkimproxy ?[11:54:00] <aixenv> sorry dkim-filter[11:58:17] *** micahclarke has joined #postfix[12:01:10] *** polaru has quit IRC[12:01:19] <Zerberus> aixenv: if you run amavisd-new already, you can implement DKIM with it[12:13:32] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[12:24:06] *** testmail has quit IRC[12:24:23] *** diqpib has quit IRC[12:24:30] *** mrfree has quit IRC[12:26:12] *** Verilium has quit IRC[12:27:51] <aixenv> zerberus, we do inhouse, this is a client server he doesnt wanna do that[12:28:08] <aixenv> ok i got dkim-filter installed, is there any way to test w/o adding the TXT record to his dns?[12:28:23] <aixenv> mail.info shows it loaded up and everything, but obviously that don't verify i have it setup right[12:30:35] <Zerberus> aixenv: http://domainkeys.sourceforge.net/ - there are autoresponder addresses you can test setup validity[12:30:39] *** cilly has quit IRC[12:35:55] <aixenv> ok ty[12:44:45] <aixenv> hrm im not finding much on sender-id verification[12:44:59] <aixenv> the only thing i find which is a postfix "addon" redirects to sendmail.oorg[12:45:54] <aixenv> or would a simple SPF record suffice[12:47:07] <aixenv> hrmm yea[12:47:16] <aixenv> seems dkim + a spf record should suffice[12:47:19] <aixenv> anyone disagree?[12:50:39] *** Thazza has joined #postfix[12:51:24] *** funky has joined #postfix[12:53:41] <cite> aixenv: SPF and Sender-ID use the same DNS TXT records. THe difference is that SPF evaluates the "MAIL FROM:" part (envelope sender) while Sender-ID evaluates the "From:" header (or vice-versa).[12:54:27] <cite> aixenv: DKIM comes with it's own TXT records, where the signature is published, usually <selector>.domainkey.<domain>.[12:55:09] <cite> aixenv: SPF/Sender-ID don't need andy tools if you just want to use it for _sending_. For verifiyng incoming mail, there are milters and policy servers available.[12:56:05] <cite> aixenv: For DKIM, you need tools for sending _and_receiving. There is the notorius sendmail DKIM milter, which can do verifying and signing, there are some policy servers for veryfing, and, of course, amavisd-new can do signing/verifying since 2.6.0. Spamassassin, too, comes with a DKIM plugin for verifying.[12:56:27] <cite> Oops. Lunch break's over, gtg.[12:57:21] *** mrfree has joined #postfix[12:58:23] <mrfree> hi all[12:58:39] <mrfree> I have this http://pastebin.com/d48717100 smtpd_recipient_restrictions[12:58:55] <mrfree> my question regards the row number 8[13:02:07] <mrfree> that rule allow a specific sender for a specific recipient[13:02:20] <mrfree> my question is... the "OK" action of the access policy[13:02:40] <mrfree> means "OK... and continue evaluate" or "OK... PERMIT"[13:02:41] <mrfree> ?[13:03:48] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[13:03:53] <aixenv> cite: tyvm[13:05:08] <f3ew> mrfree DUNNO, not OK[13:05:41] <f3ew> OK terminates evaluation[13:05:51] <mrfree> bad... I think[13:06:25] <mrfree> mhhhh I need to move that rule...[13:07:15] *** Verilium has joined #postfix[13:12:28] *** cilly has joined #postfix[13:13:11] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[13:14:51] <mrfree> f3ew, but reject_sender_login_mismatch should relect unauthenticated, right?[13:16:37] <f3ew> mrfree if yuo have smtpd_sender_login_maps configured[13:16:44] *** madrescher1 has joined #postfix[13:17:01] <mrfree> check_recipient_access[13:17:03] <mrfree> ops[13:17:11] <mrfree> smtpd_sender_login_maps[13:17:19] <mrfree> smtpd_sender_login_maps = ldap:accountsmap, ldap:aliases[13:17:37] *** madrescher has quit IRC[13:19:33] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[13:19:48] *** saurabhb has joined #postfix[13:27:52] <jacekowski> i'm not sure which channel is the best for my question[13:27:56] *** SteveC has joined #postfix[13:28:16] <jacekowski> but i've got postfix on mailserver[13:28:25] <jacekowski> and i've got outlook as a client[13:28:58] <jacekowski> for most of the time everything works perfectly fine[13:28:59] <SteveC> I need to get emails that have been delivered to Maildir back out for re-delivery as the hosting is now on an Exchange server - is that viable?[13:30:01] <jacekowski> but sometimes it doesn't and then outlook instead of message contents sends RSET\r\nRSET\r\nQUIT\r\n[13:33:16] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[13:34:27] *** jonez has quit IRC[13:37:30] *** madrescher1 has quit IRC[13:58:04] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[13:58:37] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[14:02:37] *** Ryushin has joined #postfix[14:02:59] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[14:03:05] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[14:03:30] *** F6F has joined #postfix[14:10:38] *** Thazza has quit IRC[14:16:09] *** diqpib has quit IRC[14:20:40] *** digitalmortician has quit IRC[14:23:13] *** micahclarke has quit IRC[14:24:27] *** brancal has joined #postfix[14:25:53] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[14:26:17] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[14:28:45] *** Southron has joined #Postfix[14:30:11] <f3ew> SteveC imap is your friend[14:30:15] <f3ew> Also formail[14:33:04] *** DonAlex has joined #postfix[14:33:18] <DonAlex> hey guys.. need a little help here..[14:34:05] <DonAlex> Trying to act as a scanning mail relay to a exchange box.. and some reason the relay_recipients map is not being read or acknowledged?[14:34:16] <DonAlex> Any ideas. where I can start to debug that?[14:35:19] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[14:35:48] <xabbuh> DonAlex: why do you it's not being read?[14:40:38] <DonAlex> xabbuh: It is denying to relay the mail to a domain that is in that list[14:42:54] *** micahclarke has joined #postfix[14:43:20] *** Virus_FFF has joined #postfix[14:43:45] <DonAlex> xabbuh: http://pastebin.com/m1307b980[14:43:50] *** jonez has joined #postfix[14:44:08] *** Zordrak has joined #postfix[14:44:27] <DonAlex> xabbuh: where mydomain.co.uk is included in the relay_recipients and it's hash.. and is pointed to by the main.cf[14:44:33] <xabbuh> DonAlex: can you paste the output of postconf -n?[14:44:43] <DonAlex> xabbuh: on mo[14:45:50] *** bhagat has quit IRC[14:46:59] <DonAlex> xabbuh: http://pastebin.com/m1108a231[14:47:05] <Zordrak> Im missing something and need a sanity check. If example.com is a virtual mailbox domain is it possible to still alias addresses within it eg. user1 at example dot com -> user2 at example dot com? I have the alias set up in wysql to do exactly that using the main alias_maps param... but delivery fails due to user1 at example dot com not being in the virtual_mailbox table[14:47:14] *** bancale has joined #postfix[14:47:43] <DonAlex> xabbuh: I know it is bit of a mess I started off using iRedmail but it got messy and did nto want to work right.. so I decided to use files instead.[14:48:52] <xabbuh> DonAlex: are you sure that mydomain.co.uk is listed in relay_domains?[14:48:59] <DonAlex> xabbuh: Yes.[14:49:25] <DonAlex> now onething I am >not< so sure about though.. shoudl it be mydomain.co.uk x[14:49:29] <DonAlex> or something else?[14:50:41] <xabbuh> what does postmap -q mydomain.co.uk mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_relay_domains.cf say?[14:51:05] <DonAlex> Well it was an example I was following[14:51:38] <DonAlex> xabbuh: Nothing apparently?[14:52:00] <DonAlex> But should it be reading that at all?[14:52:02] <xabbuh> DonAlex: then this domain is _not_ listed in relay_domains[14:52:16] <DonAlex> I thought I comment out the mysql look up and pointed it to the file[14:52:59] <DonAlex> Well bugged me ou mena the relay_domains?[14:53:32] <DonAlex> but hang on isn;t that for domains that can relay THROUGH postfix? not when receiving email?[14:54:46] <DonAlex> It should just accept email for mydomain.co.uk pipe it through amavis and spamassassin and relay it on to the internal exchange server[14:54:56] <DonAlex> is it not set up like that?[14:55:45] <xabbuh> no, cause that domain is not listed in relay_domains, if it was listed there it would be okay[14:55:58] <xabbuh> relay_domains = mydomain.co.uk[14:56:41] <DonAlex> Ahh... so I need to make a hash file for that[14:58:56] *** F6F has quit IRC[14:59:44] *** VavaR has joined #postfix[15:00:39] *** brancal has quit IRC[15:03:11] <xabbuh> DonAlex: you can write the domain directly in main.cf[15:06:11] <DonAlex> xabbuh: it has to cover more than one domain[15:06:23] <DonAlex> xabbuh: .co.uk .org.uk .com[15:06:43] <xabbuh> DonAlex: you can separate them with spaces or even write them to a hash file[15:07:45] <DonAlex> xabbuh: I see...[15:07:59] <DonAlex> xabbuh: and the relay_recipients?[15:08:20] <xabbuh> could be a hash file, too[15:09:34] <DonAlex> xabbuh: ok. and I am right in thinking the hash file is just mydomain.co.uk entries seprated by newlines?[15:10:58] *** pingouin has quit IRC[15:12:18] <xabbuh> take a look at http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relay_recipient_maps[15:15:54] <DonAlex> cheers[15:16:08] *** the has quit IRC[15:17:10] *** Virus_FFF has quit IRC[15:17:20] *** F6F has joined #postfix[15:23:25] *** Bad_Religion has joined #postfix[15:23:52] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[15:23:59] <Bad_Religion> if postfix failed to deliver an outgoing message due to routing failure it will hold in queue and try again later right?[15:24:50] *** TeckniX has quit IRC[15:33:46] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[15:34:22] <DonAlex> xabbuh: Hmm[15:34:32] <DonAlex> xabbuh: now I am getting policy-rejection?[15:34:42] *** thunderstrike_ has joined #postfix[15:35:02] <DonAlex> xabbuh: Recipient address rejected: Policy Rejection- Please try later.; from=<>[15:35:41] *** mrfree has quit IRC[15:36:39] *** wild_oscar1 has joined #postfix[15:37:07] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[15:37:44] *** wild_oscar1 is now known as wild_oscar[15:38:06] *** funky has quit IRC[15:38:10] <wild_oscar> hi! I am trying to set up a backup mx server[15:38:56] <wild_oscar> in the backup server I've set up the relay_domains to the domain of the server I want to have the backup[15:39:20] <wild_oscar> and have created a relay_recipient_maps file with a user[15:39:38] <wild_oscar> is there any other thing I should do to make it work?[15:42:25] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[15:47:00] <Zordrak> Is there a simple way to debug the lookups in transport_maps and recipient_bcc_maps?[15:48:28] <DonAlex> Ahh it is greey listing.[15:48:29] *** klem has quit IRC[15:48:29] *** saurabhb has quit IRC[15:48:30] <DonAlex> cool[15:56:05] <lunaphyte> Bad_Religion: yes.[15:58:56] *** cpm has joined #postfix[15:59:06] <Zordrak> Ok.... is it possible to specify recipient_bcc_maps AFTER the content filter? recieve_override_options is limited in what it can do[15:59:16] <Bad_Religion> lunaphyte: thanks.[15:59:53] <lunaphyte> wild_oscar: why waste the time bothering with a backup mx?[16:00:27] <wild_oscar> lunaphyte: what do you mean?[16:00:40] <lunaphyte> which part?[16:00:51] <wild_oscar> so users don't lose mail if the server is offline[16:01:00] <lunaphyte> why would they lose mail?[16:01:23] <wild_oscar> dynamic IP, bad ISP, power failure[16:01:26] * thumbs agrees with lunaphyte[16:01:37] <thumbs> wild_oscar: why would they lose mail?[16:01:55] <lunaphyte> i don't ge the correlation any of those things would have with losing mail.[16:02:30] <wild_oscar> the sender's mail server might return the mail[16:02:48] <lunaphyte> eventually, sure. but not for some time.[16:02:58] <wild_oscar> lunaphyte: isn't that what backup servers are for?[16:03:03] <thumbs> wild_oscar: it would take a VERY long outage for that to happen[16:03:07] <thumbs> wild_oscar: no.[16:03:11] <lunaphyte> not really.[16:03:19] <lunaphyte> at one time, back many years ago, yes.[16:03:29] <wild_oscar> what is it for, then?[16:03:37] <thumbs> wild_oscar: a secondary mx record allows a remote sender to contact your other machine, provided the main server is offline.[16:03:45] <lunaphyte> what makes you think it's for something?[16:03:50] <thumbs> wild_oscar: mail will be relayed by that machine instead.[16:04:31] <wild_oscar> lunaphyte: Postfix The Definitive guide, O'Reilly, Chapter 9 - Mail relaying[16:04:55] <thumbs> wild_oscar: read the description I just gave you.[16:05:02] <lunaphyte> eh, that notion is simply a bit out of date.[16:05:16] <thumbs> wild_oscar: it goes like this:[16:05:28] <lunaphyte> not that that's not a god book - you just need to understand that it's a reference, not a map.[16:05:42] <wild_oscar> I am no mail admin expert (just an interested curious)[16:05:44] <thumbs> wild_oscar: hey, I see that your primary mx records points to 1.1.1.1, but I can't connect to that IP, let's try the secondary, 1.1.1.2[16:06:18] <thumbs> wild_oscar: hey, it works! Let's tell this server to relay this message[16:06:37] <wild_oscar> thumbs: and from that I see that, if the primary MX is not available, having a secondary server is a good way of not losing mail[16:06:50] <lunaphyte> wild_oscar: no, it's not worth the trouble.[16:06:50] <wild_oscar> why do you say that it is not?[16:06:54] <thumbs> wild_oscar: no.[16:07:02] <pingouin> if i use postfix as a relay to my smtp.myispn.tld , and i got several email, like : smtp.myispn.tld, smtp.other.tld, smtp.other_one.tld, how can i tell postfix to use each one according to the me at smtp dot myispn.tld, or me at smtp dot other.tld ?[16:07:11] <thumbs> wild_oscar: if there is only one mx record, the sender will retry.[16:07:19] <thumbs> wild_oscar: usually up to 5 days.[16:07:50] *** VaNNi has quit IRC[16:08:22] <wild_oscar> hmm, so you base the idea that it is not worth the trouble on the fact that usually servers keep retrying?[16:08:52] <thumbs> wild_oscar: if your main server is offline for more than 5 days, you're into a lot more trouble, anyway.[16:09:04] <lunaphyte> wild_oscar: right.[16:10:11] <lunaphyte> that idea of a backup mx doesn't doesn't really apply today. it was more geared towards sites/servers who had ephemeral network connections, and perhaps connected once a day to collect and deliver mail.[16:10:30] <wild_oscar> I see[16:11:21] *** sophokles has quit IRC[16:12:03] <wild_oscar> I had that doubt, because usually servers keep retrying for 5 days if they can't deliver email[16:12:41] <wild_oscar> but with bad ISP's, physical server location changes and the likes, I wanted to keep my basis covered[16:13:27] <lunaphyte> a backup mx won't solve that problem. nothing you can do will solve that problem.[16:14:01] <lunaphyte> it's not your job, responsibility, or obligation to compensate for other people running shitty networks.[16:14:23] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: sometimes you have to[16:14:51] <wild_oscar> lunaphyte: but it's my mail, so as jacekowski says, sometimes you have to[16:14:56] <lunaphyte> sometimes you choose to.[16:15:14] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: when you are in place where you can select between bad isp and worse isp[16:15:17] <lunaphyte> usually when priorities are out of order.[16:16:04] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: and you lose mail because of that it's your problem[16:16:11] <jacekowski> lunaphyte: because every lost email i lost money[16:17:32] *** pingouin has quit IRC[16:18:12] <lunaphyte> there is some truth to that, yes. unfortunately, enabling the behavior really does nothing other than increasing it's occurrence.[16:18:23] <Zordrak> OK.. so.. with some mysql debugging.. postfix IS doing the alias rewrite before the bcc_maps lookup... but its doing the bcc lookup usinc the ORIGINAL address not the rewritten one..... help![16:21:49] *** bancale has quit IRC[16:22:38] * Zordrak pokes Dominian and rob0 in a desperate plea for help[16:24:17] <wild_oscar> anyway, my configuration is failing due to "554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops"[16:25:11] *** VaNNi has joined #postfix[16:26:18] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[16:26:27] <wild_oscar> what would cause this?[16:26:35] <SteveC> f3ew: no formail experience - can I use it to pop things back in the SMTP queue?[16:26:51] *** TomHome has quit IRC[16:27:06] <SteveC> Googling isn't getting me far - things I've tried end up sending it to the user that's running formail.[16:32:31] <f3ew> SteveC why can't you just copy mail over via IMAP?[16:32:48] <f3ew> Log into both accounts, drag and drop[16:35:02] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[16:38:25] <SteveC> f3ew: because there are quite a few accounts and I'd prefer to do it server side. It's also exchange so having email from other sources is a pain when they come to reply to them in Outlook as they'll try to reply via the route it came in.[16:38:58] *** DonAlex has quit IRC[16:39:22] *** DonAlex has joined #postfix[16:40:01] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[16:42:05] *** SARGuy has joined #postfix[16:46:16] *** clockspider has quit IRC[16:49:54] *** _jmedina has joined #postfix[16:51:02] *** _jmedina is now known as jmedina[16:57:13] *** GoGi has joined #postfix[16:57:50] * Dominian slaps Zordrak[16:57:54] <Dominian> Zordrak: what you need?[16:58:10] <f3ew> SteveC, do you know the passwords?[16:58:20] <Zordrak> Dominian: counselling?[16:58:50] <f3ew> you could also use mutt's "bounce" feature, but then all the older mail will show up as new mail[16:58:53] <Zordrak> Dominian: I cant get the PFA/vacation setup right in this LDAP/MySQL setup[16:59:02] <Zordrak> Dominian: Im going round in circles[16:59:25] <Zordrak> I have a possible solution, but it's fugly and very apparant to users[17:00:48] <Zordrak> the major problem is that in order to check if theres a vacation reply set up, postfix checks a mysqldb and does a bcc to %u#%d at vacation dot invalid IF it finds the address in the table[17:01:14] <Zordrak> then the vacation script checks for aliases that it might need to respond to[17:02:14] <Zordrak> but.. postfix isnt checking for the canonical address its checking for the alias that came in.. and cause the alias isnt in the table, only the canonical.. it never bccs it to the vacation script to consider aliases[17:02:56] <seekwill> My head hurts reading that...[17:03:01] <Zordrak> even though it follows the alias maps *before* doing the BCC check.. it still uses the original address for the bcc check, not the one it found in the alias maps[17:03:04] <f3ew> virtual_alias_maps?[17:03:08] <Zordrak> seekwill: YOUR head? :)[17:03:14] <Zordrak> f3ew: yeah[17:03:20] <seekwill> :)[17:03:30] <f3ew> Use v_a_m, and use the v_a_m expansion to get to the bcc[17:04:16] <Zordrak> but PFA (and specifically the horde module for PFA vacation) dont write vacations to the VAM table[17:04:28] *** thunderstrike_ has quit IRC[17:05:48] <Zordrak> i had thought it OUGHT to work if i can get postfix to bcc ALL email to %u#%d at vacation dot invalid because then anything theres no vacation entry for will get dropped on the floor[17:06:16] <Zordrak> but im not sure how to get postfix to auto-bcc all mail to a rewritten address form of that mail[17:06:48] <Zordrak> then it doesnt matter if its in the table or not.. it will be up to the vacation script to check the tables on its own[17:08:59] *** Vog has joined #postfix[17:08:59] <f3ew> Zordrak or just tell Postfix to query two tables?[17:09:22] <Zordrak> .. will it handle two matches and act on both?[17:14:45] *** jense has quit IRC[17:16:12] *** burnersk has joined #postfix[17:17:38] <wild_oscar> can transport_maps be an alternative to content_filter?[17:18:37] <wild_oscar> ie, if content_filter=smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024, will the same be achieved if I have a transport_maps entry like "somedomain.com smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024" ?[17:19:04] <wild_oscar> if I want some domains to be filtered and others not[17:20:50] *** UQlev has quit IRC[17:24:23] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[17:26:41] <pickcoder> I think I know what happened with the RBL listings (I'm also currently blocked @ Verizon). The DNS and SNAT issues on the last newsletter may have caused us to get listed as improper bulk mailers.[17:26:51] <Dominian> Zordrak: oh.. I suck at ldap/sql stuff..[17:26:56] <Dominian> Zordrak: I have yet to do an ldap configuration :)[17:27:46] <Zordrak> Dominian: kk :)[17:32:22] *** klem has joined #postfix[17:32:23] *** rpm has quit IRC[17:36:04] *** Ruperto has joined #postfix[17:41:00] <micahclarke> Getting "fatal: connect #11 to subsystem private/scache: No such file or directory" in logwatch, Help anyone?[17:41:04] *** hparker has joined #postfix[17:41:21] *** Robbie__ has quit IRC[17:43:10] *** githogori has quit IRC[17:43:17] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[17:43:22] *** clockspider_ has joined #postfix[17:43:56] *** clockspider has quit IRC[17:43:56] *** clockspider_ has quit IRC[17:44:06] *** almail985 has joined #postfix[17:44:51] *** r3r3 has quit IRC[17:45:22] *** jense has joined #postfix[17:46:10] *** GoGi has quit IRC[17:54:52] <almail985> Hi everyone. I'm trying to set a mail server on a Debian Lenny following the tutorial of Signum. I'm in the step Authenticated SMTP of it, all the other steps seems that work ok but trying to log with a telnet localhost smtp, the auth plain method donsn't log me. the mail.log file tells me:Aug 5 17:36:26 stock postfix/smtpd[12129]: warning: localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: SASL plain authentication failed:Aug 5 17:36:26 stock pos[17:55:59] <almail985> sorry the message on the log its just Aug 5 17:22:50 stock postfix/smtpd[11652]: warning: localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1]: SASL plain authentication failed:[17:59:15] *** jtrm has quit IRC[17:59:21] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[18:01:28] *** r3r3 has joined #postfix[18:02:42] *** cilly has quit IRC[18:02:55] *** r3r3 has quit IRC[18:03:07] *** Captain has joined #postfix[18:04:29] <wild_oscar> almail985: check if server allows plain authentication[18:04:35] <wild_oscar> sometimes it is off by default[18:04:50] *** r3r3 has joined #postfix[18:05:47] *** r3r3 has quit IRC[18:10:26] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[18:10:50] *** hever has quit IRC[18:11:10] *** eanxgeek_ has quit IRC[18:15:08] *** madrescher has quit IRC[18:17:08] *** micahclarke has left #postfix[18:17:23] *** Skaag has quit IRC[18:18:16] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[18:25:27] *** Skaag has quit IRC[18:28:16] *** denis has joined #postfix[18:59:19] <almail985> wild_oscar: thanks for you answer, at the end was a mistake from me ussing perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print encode_base64(...[18:59:35] <almail985> wild_oscar:thanks anyway :)[18:59:51] <lunaphyte> also make sure to use \000 for the null byte, not just \0[19:00:09] <wild_oscar> that would be my second guess, the base64 script[19:00:16] <wild_oscar> you're welcome[19:00:54] <lunaphyte> usernames or passwords that start with a number won't work right otherwise[19:04:12] <rob0> Or better yet, just use a regular MUA for testing.[19:10:43] *** F6F has quit IRC[19:12:34] *** smultron has joined #postfix[19:26:41] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[19:28:19] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[19:29:31] *** BlackNet has quit IRC[19:29:37] *** BlackNet has joined #postfix[19:33:28] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[19:34:40] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[19:37:06] *** plee has joined #postfix[19:42:19] *** Skaag has joined #postfix[19:45:52] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[19:46:37] *** wild_oscar has left #postfix[19:58:21] *** MrGrieves has joined #postfix[19:58:29] <MrGrieves> hi[19:59:52] *** jangell has joined #postfix[20:00:27] <jangell> I am running dovecot 1.1 and using quotas w/ mysql. It seems that if the mysql server goes down everything comes to a hault and dovecot-deliver won't accept messages. Any chance that behavior could be over-riden?[20:00:51] <jangell> I'd like the messages ot just continue to deliver with the quota numbers being screwed up as a result[20:01:25] <jangell> crap. wrong channel[20:01:26] *** perlmonkey has left #postfix[20:01:57] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[20:03:01] <cpm> sounds like you need to fix your mysql server[20:05:20] * Dominian fixes cpm's sql server[20:07:50] <rob0> little red wagon[20:10:51] * cpm feels like he's been fixed, blames rob0[20:14:11] *** DonAlex has quit IRC[20:17:22] *** denis has quit IRC[20:19:09] * thumbs blames rob0 too[20:20:40] *** doomas_FTL has joined #postfix[20:25:17] * pickcoder blames society[20:29:56] *** denis_ has joined #postfix[20:31:02] *** burnersk has quit IRC[20:32:56] *** damcgett has joined #postfix[20:33:08] <KB1JWQ> seekwill: Helo, sir![20:33:22] *** cps0 has joined #postfix[20:33:29] <seekwill> KB1JWQ: Why hello stranger[20:33:51] *** damcgett has quit IRC[20:33:58] <KB1JWQ> seekwill: Your manager sent me an email last week when I was on vacation.[20:34:04] <KB1JWQ> seekwill: He's hoping to fire you. :-D[20:34:20] <seekwill> :([20:35:09] <pickcoder> KB1JWQ: that's the kinda karma joking that can come back[20:35:11] <seekwill> KB1JWQ: He left out starting pay was minimum wage![20:35:27] <seekwill> pickcoder: hehe[20:35:27] *** damcgett has joined #postfix[20:36:24] *** damcgett has quit IRC[20:36:44] <seekwill> KB1JWQ: Did you reply?[20:36:57] <seekwill> KB1JWQ: Where did you go on vacation?[20:37:26] <pickcoder> scoping out other jobs for you?[20:37:47] <pickcoder> ok ok.. I'm staying outta that one[20:38:03] <KB1JWQ> seekwill: Maine. :)[20:38:29] <pickcoder> is it a danger-filled path to upgrade fedora?[20:38:46] <seekwill> Anything bleeding edge can be considered danger-filled[20:38:55] <pickcoder> that's not what I mean[20:39:10] <pickcoder> I hardly have issues with Debian release upgrade[20:39:28] <pickcoder> I need to bail on the kernel and get something .28+ to run our fax boards[20:39:42] <pickcoder> mail, web, wordpress, and a couple other services are running there[20:40:13] <pickcoder> the current fedora kernel barfs on my eSata drive[20:40:25] <pickcoder> no backups == bad[20:41:17] <seekwill> CentOS/RHEL :)[20:41:29] <Zelest> i save my backups in /dev/null.. it never runs out of space :D[20:43:13] <seekwill> pickcoder: Does your fax board have a recommended linux distro?[20:43:39] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[20:46:24] <pickcoder> Zelest: heh[20:46:54] <pickcoder> seekwill: Lee Howard is the senior programmer and normally handles the O/S & kernel installation/support problems. He uses Fedora.[20:47:02] <pickcoder> so in an odd way, yeah[20:47:08] <pickcoder> offically, they're all supported[20:47:19] <pickcoder> whether or not you can get immediate assistance is another story[20:48:01] *** smultron has left #postfix[20:48:26] <pickcoder> if I can get kernel .28+ the patches for their boards are included in the kernel.org release[20:48:42] <pickcoder> so all distros will be supported natuallry[20:48:53] <seekwill> ah[20:49:06] <pickcoder> unless someone goes in and breaks serial8250[20:49:33] <seekwill> Why the hell do you need faxes anyways????[20:49:37] *** Ryushin has quit IRC[20:49:37] <seekwill> 21st CENTURY DUDE![20:50:10] <pickcoder> there are still companies that rely on faxes for POs[20:50:21] <pickcoder> albeit they are electronically generated to PDF and then faxed[20:50:24] * pickcoder shrugs[20:50:50] <pickcoder> fax is still more definite than e-mail[20:50:55] <pickcoder> it either goes.. or it doesn't[20:51:00] <pickcoder> e-mail can disappear[20:51:01] <seekwill> They should be sending PO's over facebook[20:51:04] <pickcoder> *poof*[20:51:14] * pickcoder makes seekwill's e-mail disappear[20:51:31] <pickcoder> product meeting time[20:51:32] <pickcoder> bbl[20:53:55] *** Hermann has joined #postfix[20:54:48] <Hermann> is it possible to configure postfix to handle aliases the way gmail does, like firstname.lastname+any_alias at domain dot com[20:56:36] <jmedina> Hermann: yes, enable extension[20:56:39] <jmedina> !delimiter[20:56:40] <knoba> jmedina: Error: "delimiter" is not a valid command.[20:56:44] <jmedina> :)[20:57:34] <seekwill> !recipient_delimiter[20:57:36] <knoba> seekwill: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[20:57:41] <seekwill> hah![20:57:58] <seekwill> I never remember that one eitehr[21:00:35] <Hermann> ah and it seems I had that one enabled by default. maybe I should have tried it first ^^; thank you jmedina and seekwill[21:00:49] <seekwill> :)[21:01:21] <jmedina> if you use a delivery agent service in master.cf make sure understand extentions[21:01:55] <rob0> poofcoder[21:02:03] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[21:04:21] <rob0> You should carefully consider what to choose as recipient_delimiter before you deploy it. Many thousands of clueless Web sites reject "+" as an invalid character in an email address.[21:05:06] <rob0> The qmail default is "-", seems a bit safer, but has some drawbacks (mailing lists, for example).[21:18:19] *** ryengoth has joined #postfix[21:19:07] *** fly-away has joined #postfix[21:19:13] <fly-away> hi2all[21:19:54] *** muh2000_ has quit IRC[21:19:56] <fly-away> echo "miaew.cn REJECT" >> /etc/mail/access && postmap /etc/mail/access[21:20:00] *** teddy has quit IRC[21:20:33] *** teddy has joined #postfix[21:20:42] <fly-away> echo ".miaew.cn REJECT" >> /etc/mail/access && postmap /etc/mail/access && postmap -q "mail.miaew.cn" /etc/mail/access[21:20:53] <fly-away> give me nothing[21:21:10] *** laga_ has joined #postfix[21:21:36] *** muh2000_ has joined #postfix[21:21:38] <lunaphyte> i'd have another look at the postmap man page. your syntax is wrong.[21:22:06] *** pingouin has quit IRC[21:22:08] *** pingouin_ has joined #postfix[21:22:21] *** ryengoth has quit IRC[21:22:34] *** ryengoth has joined #postfix[21:23:46] *** ryengoth has quit IRC[21:23:50] <fly-away> Otherwise, specify .domain.tld (note the initial dot) in order to match subdomains. (c) man 5 access[21:24:00] <fly-away> where im wrong?[21:24:05] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[21:24:43] <lunaphyte> see the synopsis line.[21:25:21] <fly-away> so??[21:25:46] <fly-away> diff only file place[21:26:00] <fly-away> /etc/postfix instead /etc/mail[21:26:11] <laga_> hey. some parts of my postfix regularly die with SIGABRT. any hints how i can debug this? http://pastebin.ca/1519585[21:26:30] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[21:28:14] *** mactimes has quit IRC[21:30:32] <lunaphyte> fly-away: oh, i was only half paying attention[21:30:37] <lunaphyte> !tell fly-away parent_domain_matches_subdomains[21:31:15] <lunaphyte> err, wait, that should work, i think.[21:31:43] <rob0> parent_domain_matches_subdomains is the key to the right answer[21:32:13] <fly-away> lunaphyte: i place domain WITH first dot[21:32:22] <lunaphyte> he's explicitly specifying that with the preceding dot though.[21:32:47] <lunaphyte> (at least as i recall from access(5))[21:32:48] <rob0> Leading dot does not work with default setting of parent_domain_matches_subdomains.[21:33:20] <lunaphyte> ah, i'm misremembering then.[21:33:24] <rob0> And, postmap -q behaves the same all the time, only matches a literal string.[21:33:41] <rob0> "parent_domain_matches_subdomains =" (unset it) is recommended.[21:34:08] <rob0> And then, the leading dot syntax will match subdomains.[21:36:23] <rob0> laga_, what sent your smtpd(8) that signal 6? Missing some important logs, I think.[21:37:39] <laga_> rob0: i wish i knew. AFAIK there is nothing in the logs indicating what sent it[21:37:51] <rob0> !debian[21:37:51] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[21:37:56] <fly-away> dont work anyway.[21:38:00] <fly-away> # postconf | grep parent[21:38:02] <fly-away> parent_domain_matches_subdomains = debug_peer_list, fast_flush_domains, mynetworks, permit_mx_backup_networks, qmqpd_authorized_clients, relay_domains, smtpd_access_maps[21:38:15] <fly-away> # postmap -c /etc/postfix -q ".karpatik.cn" access[21:38:17] <fly-away> REJECT[21:38:18] <fly-away> root@mail:/etc/mail # postmap -c /etc/postfix -q "mail.karpatik.cn" access[21:38:19] <fly-away> root@mail:/etc/mail #[21:40:11] *** cpm has quit IRC[21:43:45] <laga_> rob0: ah, postfix.org has information on attaching a debugger. i'll do that[22:02:52] *** diqpib has quit IRC[22:02:59] *** Hermann has quit IRC[22:08:43] *** s0ber_ has quit IRC[22:10:51] *** s0ber has joined #postfix[22:12:50] *** cilly has joined #postfix[22:15:20] *** cilly has quit IRC[22:16:02] *** jangell has left #postfix[22:17:13] *** Section1 has quit IRC[22:17:22] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[22:24:06] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[22:24:59] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[22:25:12] *** denis_ has quit IRC[22:27:07] *** KB1JWQ is now known as evilKB1JWQ[22:27:30] *** jluedke has joined #postfix[22:28:02] <jluedke> anyone know if there is a way to look at data inside anvil?[22:28:18] *** Gerdesas has joined #postfix[22:28:55] <lunaphyte> probably a plasma cutter[22:28:59] <jluedke> that is are there any utilities to query anvil?[22:30:35] <jluedke> looks like the man page describes a query syntax.[22:31:41] <jluedke> that intended to be used with the attr_print functions used else where in postfix?[22:32:40] <thumbs> u-oh, evil![22:34:36] *** almail985 has quit IRC[22:41:31] *** Ruperto has quit IRC[22:47:22] <jluedke> seems like anvil would have useful info in it.[22:48:36] *** jense has quit IRC[22:49:01] <evilKB1JWQ> jluedke: It does.[22:49:04] <evilKB1JWQ> !anvil[22:49:04] <knoba> evilKB1JWQ: "anvil" : http://www.postfix.org/anvil.8.html[22:50:05] <jluedke> yeah, read the man page, question is how do i "send request"?[22:50:50] *** DonAlex has joined #postfix[22:50:54] <evilKB1JWQ> jluedke: It leaves its info in the logfile. grep it out over time, use in a script as needed. Heat to 350, garnish with pretty formatting.[22:53:25] *** pingouin_ has quit IRC[22:55:28] <Section1> i have a problem with the timestam log example http://pastebin.com/m4d6c920e why happen that ?[22:56:44] <felix_da_catz> Is there any way I can setup non-ssl for only specific IP addresses?[22:56:53] <felix_da_catz> specifically sending of emails.[22:57:07] *** amrit|zzz is now known as amrit|wrk[23:00:18] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[23:04:06] <Section1> i found it[23:06:57] <rob0> I lost it! Give it back!![23:07:33] <Section1> :P[23:07:35] *** stephan48 has quit IRC[23:07:54] <felix_da_catz> What is the proper way to configure a web server to send emails? Authenticated SMTP or sendmail?[23:07:55] <lunaphyte> ask those encroachment lawyers about possession being nine tenths. :)[23:08:13] <rob0> !chroot[23:08:14] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[23:08:14] <lunaphyte> felix_da_catz: i strongly encourage smtp, and a null client setup[23:08:29] <felix_da_catz> a null client setup? Haven't heard of that one before....[23:08:34] * evilKB1JWQ seconds lunaphyte[23:08:52] * lunaphyte gets a chill[23:09:07] <felix_da_catz> Sorry. Reading about it now... :D[23:09:07] <lunaphyte> it just feels so *evil* in here all of a sudden[23:09:23] <lunaphyte> oo ooo! can i use one of my new "rants"?![23:09:27] <Section1> yes i run in chroot only vor localhost for amavis that was the problem[23:09:38] <Section1> s/vor/for[23:10:15] *** fly-away has quit IRC[23:10:30] <lunaphyte> !nullclient[23:10:31] <knoba> lunaphyte: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[23:10:45] *** evilKB1JWQ is now known as KB1JWQ[23:11:05] <rob0> Section1 can fix it with proper $queue_directory/etc/localtime (or other file as your system libraries might require.)[23:11:22] <felix_da_catz> !nullclient_software[23:11:22] <knoba> felix_da_catz: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[23:11:42] <felix_da_catz> !msa[23:11:42] <knoba> felix_da_catz: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[23:11:51] <Section1> thanks rob0 i cp localtime to chroot etc/ :)[23:11:55] <lunaphyte> ewwww, it's feeding on itself![23:12:15] <felix_da_catz> !submission[23:12:16] <knoba> felix_da_catz: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 2476 and 4409.[23:12:40] <lunaphyte> the governor must be broken.[23:12:42] <thumbs> ahhh, the evil is gone[23:13:48] <rob0> thumbs, I disagree. The evil is always with us, you just can't always see it.[23:13:51] <felix_da_catz> Sounds like my little girl and her friends in here.. :D[23:14:08] <thumbs> rob0: ah, you're back to normal, disagreeing with me[23:14:23] <Section1> hehe[23:14:27] <seekwill> thumbs: But you're just wrong![23:16:21] *** madrescher has quit IRC[23:16:45] *** diqpib has quit IRC[23:19:13] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[23:24:08] <thumbs> seekwill: wrong[23:26:24] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[23:27:54] *** madrescher has quit IRC[23:28:32] <felix_da_catz> Is it possible to just enable TLS and not SSL and TLS? For some reason I think I might only have TLS enabled, and it seems as if I need SSL as well...[23:29:38] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[23:30:37] *** Section1 has quit IRC[23:38:06] *** eanxgeek_ has quit IRC[23:38:21] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[23:39:34] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[23:39:57] *** eanxgeek_ has quit IRC[23:42:50] <pickcoder> hm.. I'm still seeing bounce failure messages for incoming spam. I wonder if amavis is doing it.[23:43:12] <jluedke> so has anyone ever experimented with anvil and memcahced?[23:43:17] <jluedke> or is that crazy talk.[23:46:44] <jluedke> watching spammers walk my cluster hitting the max limits, one mx at a time.[23:49:39] <pickcoder> jluedke: are they creating 5xx errors?[23:49:49] <lunaphyte> felix_da_catz: what's your perception of tls vs. ssl?[23:50:19] *** Southron has quit IRC[23:50:25] <felix_da_catz> TLS is a newer version of SSl.[23:51:15] <lunaphyte> indeed.[23:51:52] <pickcoder> I thought it was an Acura model[23:52:18] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers[23:52:19] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers" is not a valid command.[23:52:22] <lunaphyte> meh[23:52:30] <seekwill> pickcoder: lol[23:52:40] <jluedke> pick: they are sending to valid addresses.[23:52:45] <pickcoder> jluedke: if they are creating 5xx errors you can easily use fail2ban to drop packets from them after the first offense, for X seconds/minutes/etc[23:53:12] <felix_da_catz> But specifically on my Solaris install, TLS doesn't work, just SSL. Don't know if it is an openssl issue or what though. One verison installed is TLS capable and the other is older. PHP and Apache is compiled against the newer version but for some reason I think it is using the wrong linked libraries. I just am not smart enough to figure that out for sure 100% or not. But SSL:// works but NOTHING with TLS:// works...[23:53:17] <pickcoder> so it's legit mail then, just an overload of of it[23:53:21] <pickcoder> s/of of/of[23:53:28] <jluedke> yeah, but is spam[23:53:37] <jluedke> getting valid addresses via screen scrape[23:53:42] <lunaphyte> !learn smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers as the minimum tls cipher grade that the postfix smtp server will use with mandatory tls encryption. cipher types listed in smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers or smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers are excluded from the base definition of the selected cipher grade. See smtpd_tls_ciphers for cipher controls that apply to opportunistic tls[23:53:51] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers[23:53:52] <knoba> lunaphyte: "smtpd_tls_mandatory_ciphers" : the minimum tls cipher grade that the postfix smtp server will use with mandatory tls encryption. cipher types listed in smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers or smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers are excluded from the base definition of the selected cipher grade. See smtpd_tls_ciphers for cipher controls that apply to opportunistic tls[23:54:01] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers[23:54:01] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers" is not a valid command.[23:54:04] <lunaphyte> feh.[23:54:24] <pickcoder> jluedke: if it's spam and is being marked by amavis+spamassassin then you can change the response to D_REJECT to cause a mail rejection error[23:54:38] <lunaphyte> !learn smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers as additional list of ciphers or cipher types to exclude from the smtp server cipher list at mandatory tls security levels. This list works in addition to the exclusions listed with smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers (see there for syntax details). this feature is available in postfix 2.3 and later.[23:54:42] <pickcoder> fail2ban can pick up on that in the log to ban the offending IP[23:54:56] <pickcoder> you can even use regex to match specific smtp error codes[23:55:00] <jluedke> pickcoder: never gets to spam engine.[23:55:04] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols[23:55:05] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols" is not a valid command.[23:55:10] <lunaphyte> jesus[23:55:16] <jluedke> volume to high to filter before hit's disk[23:55:19] <pickcoder> jluedke: ok.. so it's spam.. but it never makes it to the filter[23:55:23] <lunaphyte> doesn't anyone keep this damn bot updated?[23:55:37] <pickcoder> oh[23:55:50] <pickcoder> and the clients aren't triggering RBL at all?[23:56:20] <jluedke> nope, comming from legit hacked gmail etc accounts.[23:56:31] <pickcoder> time to tweak anvil then[23:56:32] <lunaphyte> !learn smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols as the ssl/tls protocols accepted by the postfix smtp server with mandatory tls encryption. if the list is empty, the server supports all available ssl/tls protocol versions. a non-empty value is a list of protocol names separated by whitespace, commas or colons. The supported protocol names are "sslv2", "sslv3" and "tlsv1", and are not case sensitive[23:56:47] <jluedke> pickcoder: that was my thinking.[23:57:04] <jluedke> code looks nice and clean[23:57:10] <lunaphyte> ! smtpd_tls_security_level[23:57:11] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_security_level" is not a valid command.[23:57:16] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_security_level[23:57:17] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_security_level" is not a valid command.[23:57:18] <jluedke> wondering if anyone thinks it is a legit use of anvil[23:57:41] *** eanxgeek_ has joined #postfix[23:58:14] <lunaphyte> !learn smtpd_tls_security_level as the smtp tls security level for the postfix smtp server; when a non-empty value is specified, this overrides the obsolete parameters smtpd_use_tls and smtpd_enforce_tls. this parameter is ignored with "smtpd_tls_wrappermode = yes". this feature is available in postfix 2.3 and later[23:58:34] <lunaphyte> !smtpd_tls_protocols[23:58:35] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "smtpd_tls_protocols" is not a valid command.[23:58:42] <pickcoder> jluedke: what version?[23:59:20] <lunaphyte> !learn smtpd_tls_protocols as list of tls protocols that the postfix smtp server will exclude or include with opportunistic tls encryption. this parameter SHOULD be left at its default empty value, allowing all protocols to be used with opportunistic tls. this feature is available in Postfix 2.6 and later[23:59:36] <jluedke> haha, 2.3.2