August 4, 2009 
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August 4, 2009 [00:04:20] *** diqpib has quit IRC[00:04:37] *** nuonguy has quit IRC[00:07:41] *** plee has quit IRC[00:08:40] *** memiux has quit IRC[00:09:59] *** Fallenou has quit IRC[00:10:40] *** feisar has joined #postfix[00:12:58] *** Muhis has quit IRC[00:13:57] *** Guest61921 has quit IRC[00:19:21] *** TomHome has joined #postfix[00:19:38] <TomHome> hey guys[00:21:13] *** lumpek has quit IRC[00:27:59] *** raubvogel has left #postfix[00:30:24] * pickcoder wonders where the bounces went[00:30:46] *** TeckniX has quit IRC[00:34:13] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[00:37:44] *** Zblakany has quit IRC[00:37:49] *** stephan481 has quit IRC[00:39:54] *** memiux has joined #postfix[00:40:33] *** z0ran has joined #postfix[00:45:40] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[00:59:27] *** rashed2020 has joined #postfix[00:59:56] <rashed2020> What's up everyone. Anyone wanna do some postfix work for a fee? It's not a lot of work.[01:00:25] <seekwill> If you do it, we can help you for free![01:00:38] <rashed2020> Hmmm..[01:00:49] <seekwill> If you don't want to do it, you should just outsource the whole thing[01:01:03] <seekwill> Gmail is good![01:01:23] <rashed2020> It's just some work that I told my brother I'd do for him. Now I can't figure it out[01:01:31] <seekwill> lol[01:01:38] <seekwill> What's the problem?[01:01:43] <rashed2020> PM? :P[01:01:46] <seekwill> No[01:01:54] <rashed2020> Well, I can't say it here.[01:01:57] <seekwill> Why not?[01:02:03] <seekwill> Is your brother here?[01:02:06] <rashed2020> Cuz it's a bit private.[01:02:08] <rashed2020> lol, no.[01:02:24] <seekwill> oh[01:02:31] <rashed2020> Actually, I'll bbiab[01:02:34] <seekwill> ok[01:02:35] <rashed2020> Gotta do some stuff[01:06:38] * rob0 can take a small job[01:06:48] *** separatrix has quit IRC[01:08:16] *** seekwill has quit IRC[01:08:52] *** separatrix has joined #postfix[01:14:17] *** linguini has joined #postfix[01:21:35] *** Bushmills has left #postfix[01:22:38] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[01:28:07] <lunaphyte> crap! i missed it?![01:28:12] *** separatrix_ has joined #postfix[01:28:21] * lunaphyte waits in the alley with a knife for rob0[01:28:28] *** separatrix has quit IRC[01:36:22] *** tazz has joined #postfix[01:40:08] *** seekwill has joined #postfix[01:46:21] *** separatrix_ has quit IRC[01:47:03] *** separatrix_ has joined #postfix[01:57:21] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[02:08:19] *** feisar has quit IRC[02:10:02] *** separatrix_ has quit IRC[02:14:43] *** pingouin has quit IRC[02:14:55] *** nuonguy has joined #postfix[02:15:42] *** madrescher has quit IRC[02:32:23] *** wdp has quit IRC[02:37:54] *** f3ew has quit IRC[03:01:56] *** standon_ is now known as standon[03:04:40] *** Dorchalann has quit IRC[03:13:36] *** aindilis2 has joined #postfix[03:21:41] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[03:22:41] *** tazz has quit IRC[03:37:55] *** B-Man has joined #postfix[03:38:04] *** B-Man has left #postfix[03:46:02] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[03:58:16] *** shinao1 has joined #postfix[03:59:48] *** memiux has quit IRC[04:01:41] *** z8000 has joined #postfix[04:02:21] <z8000> For the love of all good things in the world, why is it so complicated to install an email server? Why is there no sane "meta" package (APT, yum, whatever) that asks 3 or 4 questions and installs postfix and dovecot and calls it a day?[04:02:42] <seekwill> heh[04:03:18] <seekwill> There are packages like that. Check out Zimbra[04:03:27] <seekwill> There is also hosted systems[04:03:38] <z8000> sudo apt-get install basic-email-server ... what domains? foo.com ... configuring... done.[04:03:39] *** jtaji has quit IRC[04:03:49] <seekwill> Also, email services is not an easy subject. If you can't get around setting up a server, you have no business doing email.[04:04:01] <z8000> that's a big leap dude[04:04:05] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[04:04:07] <seekwill> You have no idea :)[04:04:08] <lunaphyte> why would you think it would be easy?[04:04:14] <lunaphyte> because sending mail is easy?[04:04:44] <lunaphyte> this question comes up every month or so here.[04:04:47] <seekwill> Setting up an email server (postfix, dovecot, and everything else) is easy compared to the on-going job you'll have :)[04:04:59] *** jtaji has joined #postfix[04:05:10] <seekwill> lunaphyte: We need like a !sweet thing for it[04:05:20] <z8000> hi, not an idiot here. thanks for assuming that. I am just surprised that's there's no higher-level defaults that can be made to work for people that don't want to waste 6 hours setting up an email server.[04:05:35] <lunaphyte> that's the entire point.[04:05:40] <seekwill> We didn't have to assume. It was pretty clear by your statements :)[04:05:51] * LinuxCode rolls eyes[04:06:11] <seekwill> Email serving is not like setting up an HTTP or FTP server[04:06:12] <LinuxCode> z8000, considering the amount of spam I get, Im glad you cant set it up[04:06:16] <LinuxCode> I feel much safer now[04:06:47] <seekwill> LinuxCode: You shall forever live in FEAR!!!!!111one[04:06:51] * LinuxCode suggests you spend 2-3 weeks setting an email server up, with testing and researching[04:07:01] <LinuxCode> seekwill, I already do mate[04:07:26] <LinuxCode> 50% genuine email 50% junk[04:07:32] <LinuxCode> enough said[04:07:34] <z8000> *sigh*[04:07:34] *** z8000 has left #postfix[04:07:45] <seekwill> heh[04:07:51] <LinuxCode> did I scare him away saying 2-3 weeks ?[04:07:54] <seekwill> Ok, now you can feel safer[04:07:57] <LinuxCode> haha[04:08:08] <LinuxCode> he will be back, I am sure[04:08:10] *** master_of_master has joined #postfix[04:10:01] <seekwill> Hmm... I wonder if RHEL/CentOS does make it easy to install postfix + dovecot[04:10:26] <LinuxCode> seekwill, it works out of the box[04:10:31] <LinuxCode> but not set up right[04:10:40] <LinuxCode> i.e. it is nothing fancy[04:10:45] <LinuxCode> if you know what I mean[04:11:00] <seekwill> Well, just as a basic email server :)[04:11:06] <LinuxCode> not sure if the defaults in dovecot work well though[04:11:09] <lunaphyte> !magic[04:11:10] <knoba> lunaphyte: "magic" : email is not a trivial concept. it's complex, with many different layers that relate to the many aspects of message handling and delivery (not to mention implementation specifics). unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more (1 more message)[04:11:21] <lunaphyte> !more[04:11:22] <knoba> lunaphyte: complex than click[04:11:23] <LinuxCode> lunaphyte, pity I didnt know that trigger lol[04:11:35] <lunaphyte> bah. stupid truncation.[04:11:42] <lunaphyte> i just added it.[04:11:46] <LinuxCode> k[04:12:10] <seekwill> lunaphyte: maybe add a bit that the job doesn't end after installing the packages? It takes careful monitoring of logs on a continual basis?[04:12:25] <LinuxCode> I love it (NOT), when people can and ask me, how do I quickly set up an email server, and expect it seriously, to take 5 mins.[04:12:37] <lunaphyte> i'd like to, but it's already too long, it appears.[04:12:40] <seekwill> yum install email_consultant[04:12:48] <LinuxCode> seekwill, bahaha[04:12:57] <LinuxCode> seekwill, package submissions welcome![04:13:28] <seekwill> I was thinking about making a little howto guide[04:14:16] <LinuxCode> for ?[04:14:21] <LinuxCode> postfix.org ?[04:14:24] <seekwill> Setting up a basic email server in 5 minutes![04:14:42] <LinuxCode> seekwill, not sure you will do people a real favour with that[04:14:46] <seekwill> hehe[04:14:56] <seekwill> It's my way to sabotage them![04:14:58] <LinuxCode> they will just use that, not making an effort to really understand what it does...[04:15:09] <LinuxCode> introduce a delivery loop[04:15:17] <seekwill> Oh, you need help? Here, I charge $150/hour[04:15:36] <LinuxCode> Note: There is an error in this how to. Please read the postfix docs to debug.[04:15:40] <LinuxCode> hehe[04:15:44] <seekwill> heh[04:15:49] <seekwill> That would kick ass[04:17:58] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[04:24:27] <rob0> Actually !basic is pretty quick, if your OS is sane and you know 1% about how DNS and mail routing works, you should be able to get it running and start learning.[04:25:30] <seekwill> I think the mentality is "it should be as easy as setting up httpd". They don't seem to understand the "start learning" part[04:26:46] <lunaphyte> !magic[04:26:47] <knoba> lunaphyte: "magic" : email is not a trivial concept. it's complex, with many different layers that relate to the many aspects of message handling and delivery (not to mention implementation specifics). also see !easy[04:26:49] <lunaphyte> !easy[04:26:50] <knoba> lunaphyte: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, if not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[04:26:53] <lunaphyte> !maintain[04:26:53] <knoba> lunaphyte: "maintain" : don't be fooled into thinking that if it were just more simple to set up this mail server, that would make all the difference . the truth is that the initial installation and configuration of a mail server is as simple or complex as you want it to be, and more importantly, is going to consume nowhere near as much time as the daily care and feeding.[04:27:33] <seekwill> lol[04:27:45] <lunaphyte> a few inane rants, for those so inclined.[04:28:11] <rob0> typo in !easy[04:28:27] <pickcoder> any suggestions for file backup services?[04:28:27] <rob0> "if" not the case[04:28:37] <rob0> pickcoder: rm(1)[04:28:41] <rob0> ;)[04:28:51] <pickcoder> been there before in my early days[04:28:58] <pickcoder> rm -f when accidentially in /[04:29:06] <pickcoder> that was a blast[04:29:07] <lunaphyte> oops, thanks[04:29:12] <lunaphyte> !easy[04:29:12] <knoba> lunaphyte: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[04:29:18] <rob0> pickcoder, buy a few USB drives and rotate them home[04:29:48] <pickcoder> I'm using eSata already and it's not cutting it[04:30:04] <pickcoder> I want to set up a transactional logging service[04:30:07] <rob0> esata, better, whazzrongwiffat?[04:30:10] <rob0> oh[04:30:15] <pickcoder> the daily saves are ok[04:30:26] <pickcoder> but if we even lose 1/2 a day it can take 2-3 days to catch up[04:30:39] <lunaphyte> i'm a huge fan of backuppc. it actually recently bailed me out of a jam big time.[04:30:41] <seekwill> Backing up what?[04:30:46] <seekwill> A spool?[04:30:47] <seekwill> Database?[04:30:54] <pickcoder> a combination of things[04:30:59] <pickcoder> rsync will suffice for mail/web[04:31:04] <rob0> For backing up, use reverse gear. Thank you.[04:31:07] <lunaphyte> mostly pictures of your sister. :)[04:31:31] <lunaphyte> dah dum, splish![04:31:41] <lunaphyte> (that was for rob0, not me)[04:31:42] <pickcoder> I guess I may end up with a dedicated server[04:33:09] <seekwill> Is it just me, or do shrimp smell like a wet cat?[04:33:23] <rob0> women[04:34:51] <seekwill> Like the cooked cold shrimp to put into cocktail sauce[04:35:38] <rob0> That cocktail sauce junk is not bad with fries. But I don't like it much with shrimp.[04:36:31] <seekwill> I use the shrimp only as a means to get the Ivar's Original into my mouth[04:37:16] <lunaphyte> old bay ftw[04:38:38] <rob0> ha, I like old bay, but it frightens my family when I start to cook with it[04:38:49] <rob0> they say I go overboard ... bah![04:39:06] <pickcoder> old bay + salt = season-everything shaker[04:39:11] <seekwill> lol[04:39:30] <lunaphyte> it's got some magic in it to counteract the fish aroma.[04:39:43] <pickcoder> clove rocks[04:40:10] *** pingouin has quit IRC[04:40:23] <lunaphyte> what are clove rocks?[04:40:25] <rob0> I recall making a dip with old bay, I think mixed in mayo.[04:40:40] <rob0> and again, I was the only one here who liked it[04:41:08] <pickcoder> season-all tastes similar without the excess clove[04:41:42] <seekwill> I need to get me some of that[04:41:51] <lunaphyte> you bastards are making me hungry.[04:42:00] <seekwill> Go eat![04:42:11] <seekwill> rob0: What did you cook it with?[04:42:38] <rob0> the dip? No cook, it's mayo! Just mix.[04:42:47] <seekwill> ah[04:42:55] <seekwill> What did you dip with?[04:42:57] <rob0> but, I've used it on grilling[04:43:04] <rob0> oh now that I don't remember[04:43:26] <pickcoder> shrimp![04:43:27] <pickcoder> heh[04:43:32] <seekwill> hehe[04:43:41] <pickcoder> shrimp roll with old-bay mayo[04:44:07] <rob0> yeah, that would be okay :)[04:44:16] *** ming_zym has quit IRC[04:49:04] * pickcoder wants a lobster roll now[04:50:31] <lunaphyte> !wizard[04:50:32] <knoba> lunaphyte: "wizard" : there is no configuration wizard for postfix. if you are looking to be handheld through the configuration process, you might consider that postfix may not be the best choice. however, the docs that ship with postfix are complete, and well-written. see both !basic and !examples for far more insight and value than a wizard could ever hope to provide. also see !distro[04:50:35] <lunaphyte> !distro[04:50:36] <knoba> lunaphyte: "distro" : the various linux distributions often package postfix in ways that are less than reflective of the way that postfix actually ships. if you have issues or want to rant about how postfix doesn't do a good job of making the install easy , you need to direct your energy towards the package maintainer(s). it's unlikely that you'll get much sympathy from folks here. also see !wizard[04:51:01] <seekwill> lol[04:51:06] <seekwill> Never going to remember all those[04:51:08] <lunaphyte> there's a couple more, since i'm feeling preachy[04:51:10] <seekwill> Is there a web interface?[04:51:24] <lunaphyte> !tell seekwill topic[04:51:27] <lunaphyte> HA![04:51:58] <seekwill> But my postfix isn't runngin![04:52:23] <pickcoder> !menu[04:52:23] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "menu" is not a valid command.[04:52:40] <lunaphyte> !random[04:52:41] <knoba> lunaphyte: "anvil": http://www.postfix.org/anvil.8.html; "smtpd_timeout": a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The time limit for sending a Postfix SMTP server response and for receiving a remote SMTP client request.; "filter_readme": http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html :: After-queue content filtering[04:52:48] <pickcoder> I'll have the !wirzard with a side of !basic[04:53:11] <lunaphyte> just keep doing that and eventually a suitable one will come up.[04:53:16] *** memiux has joined #postfix[04:55:58] *** Captain has quit IRC[04:58:58] <rob0> We need a !rants factoid to list them all.[04:59:07] <pickcoder> !menu man[04:59:08] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "menu" is not a valid command.[04:59:39] <pickcoder> have knoba constantly ask for a menu option in privmsg[05:01:31] <rob0> shrimp roll with old-bay mayo ... is that on the menu?[05:02:36] <seekwill> And lobster rolls[05:12:59] <lunaphyte> mmmm, homemade banana bread, toasted with butter.[05:16:38] *** LinuxCode has quit IRC[05:23:45] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[05:25:20] <lunaphyte> !rants[05:25:21] <knoba> lunaphyte: "rants" : see !anyone, !ask, !away, !distro, !dont, !easy, !english, !fcdd, !fish, !ghoi, !goal, ! hare_krishna, !have2mung, !iha, !magic, !mailscanner, !maintain, !makeup, !mung, !no, !poop, !rtfm, !stfw, !sweet, !tias, !try, !vague, !wait, !wizard[05:25:30] <lunaphyte> i probably missed some.[05:25:30] <seekwill> lol[05:25:36] <Dominian> hah[05:25:39] <Dominian> !mailscanner[05:25:39] <knoba> Dominian: "mailscanner" : Don't you dare![05:25:41] <seekwill> !debian[05:25:41] <knoba> seekwill: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[05:26:54] <lunaphyte> !factoid[05:26:54] <knoba> lunaphyte: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know. see http://workaround.org/f=postfix for a list of knoba's factoids.[05:27:51] <lunaphyte> !troubleshoot[05:27:52] <knoba> lunaphyte: "troubleshoot" : http://www.listaholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/flowchart-2007.png[05:28:23] <lunaphyte> funny. i forgot about that one.[05:35:54] *** xpeed has joined #postfix[05:36:23] <lunaphyte> oops, another typo[05:39:08] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[05:46:12] *** jens_ has joined #postfix[05:50:19] *** shinao1 has quit IRC[06:02:09] *** jense has quit IRC[06:03:38] *** ming_zym has joined #postfix[06:03:45] *** pinoyskull has joined #postfix[06:06:45] *** mactimes_ has joined #postfix[06:08:27] *** clockspider has joined #postfix[06:12:31] *** memiux has quit IRC[06:22:51] *** mactimes has quit IRC[06:45:13] *** verywiseman has quit IRC[06:48:09] *** hparker has quit IRC[06:52:18] *** digitalmortician has joined #postfix[06:57:07] *** xpeed has quit IRC[06:57:59] *** githogori_ has joined #postfix[06:58:37] *** F6F has joined #postfix[07:08:31] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[07:22:31] *** bronb has joined #postfix[07:50:24] *** f3ew has joined #postfix[07:54:12] *** sophokles has joined #postfix[08:08:15] *** nuonguy has quit IRC[08:14:38] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[08:15:14] *** Motoko-chan has joined #postfix[08:16:41] *** psteyn has joined #postfix[08:25:26] *** aindilis` has joined #postfix[08:28:58] *** verywiseman has joined #postfix[08:35:29] *** loddafnir1 has joined #postfix[08:36:48] *** verywiseman has left #postfix[08:39:13] *** linguini has quit IRC[08:39:14] *** aindilis2 has quit IRC[08:45:38] *** r3r3 has quit IRC[08:46:00] *** r3r3 has joined #postfix[08:48:06] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[08:48:56] *** seekwill has quit IRC[08:50:35] *** Internat has quit IRC[08:52:05] *** internat has joined #postfix[08:56:39] *** brancaleone has joined #postfix[09:01:32] *** p3rror has joined #postfix[09:04:55] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:06:54] *** polaru has joined #postfix[09:11:09] *** xabbuh has joined #postfix[09:13:54] *** bronb_ has joined #postfix[09:15:21] <clockspider> !myhostname[09:15:21] <knoba> clockspider: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.[09:15:59] *** bronb has quit IRC[09:16:44] *** madrescher1 has joined #postfix[09:17:10] <psteyn> Hi, I have hundreds of mail in my queue with the wrong from address headers[09:17:26] <psteyn> What command can I use to change those headers of the messages in the queue?[09:18:07] <clockspider> !verp[09:18:08] <knoba> clockspider: "verp" : http://www.postfix.org/VERP_README.html[09:25:54] *** Motoko-chan has quit IRC[09:26:27] *** madrescher1 has quit IRC[09:31:44] *** madrescher has quit IRC[09:35:20] *** cilly has joined #postfix[09:45:08] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[09:46:46] *** bhagat has quit IRC[09:48:26] *** bhagat has joined #postfix[09:52:08] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[09:55:27] *** wdp has quit IRC[09:55:56] *** wdp has joined #postfix[09:58:25] *** Roconda_ has joined #postfix[10:02:23] *** kmq has joined #postfix[10:03:35] *** Roconda has quit IRC[10:06:41] *** mactimes_ has quit IRC[10:06:57] *** mactimes has joined #postfix[10:07:45] *** mactimes has quit IRC[10:12:22] <mcarter> hello[10:12:52] <mcarter> is there a utility for parsing the contents of a /var/mail file into seperate emails? (or even a spec on how the file is formatted)[10:15:32] <_ruben> there's tons of mbox2maildir commands/implementations[10:16:05] <Roobarb-Work> mcarter: so you mean /var/spool/mail/$USERNAME ?[10:16:57] <mcarter> Roobarb-Work, right[10:17:13] <Roobarb-Work> just google for mbox2maildir as _ruben suggeusts[10:17:26] *** Zblakany has joined #postfix[10:19:30] <mcarter> aha, thanks _ruben[10:19:37] <mcarter> apt-get install mb2md[10:35:12] *** psteyn_ has joined #postfix[10:35:23] *** psteyn_ has quit IRC[10:35:38] *** psteyn has quit IRC[10:41:05] *** k__ has joined #postfix[10:42:16] *** bronb_ has quit IRC[10:50:58] *** kmq_ has joined #postfix[10:52:37] *** kmq has quit IRC[10:52:43] *** kmq_ is now known as kmq[11:06:03] *** S7 has joined #postfix[11:07:09] <S7> Hi, is there anyway I can change $myorigin according to the domain used in mail from: ?[11:08:49] *** bronb_ has joined #postfix[11:13:13] *** k__ has quit IRC[11:16:10] *** joobie has joined #postfix[11:16:52] <joobie> hey guys.. is there a way to inject an email from my maildir back into a sendmail instance running on a custom port?[11:17:00] *** higuita has joined #postfix[11:22:27] *** UQlev has joined #postfix[11:26:46] *** arha has quit IRC[11:30:48] <Zerberus> joobie: not using the sendmail binary[11:31:07] <Zerberus> if bound to shell base you may trick with netcat[11:33:10] *** bogdan_ has quit IRC[11:35:31] *** Niemi has joined #postfix[11:40:18] *** pinoyskull has quit IRC[11:43:28] <_ruben> joobie: err, ask the sendmail people? :)[11:46:15] *** mezgani has joined #postfix[11:50:22] *** hever has joined #postfix[11:53:04] <joobie> Zerberus, how?[11:53:16] <joobie> i can open the socket with netcat[11:53:20] <joobie> but cant stream the fil ein[11:56:04] <Zerberus> joobie: piping the content into netcat?[11:58:27] *** hw has joined #postfix[11:59:18] <Zerberus> joobie: is this a periodic task to run or why are you wanting to do something like that?[11:59:41] *** p3rror has quit IRC[12:01:52] *** hanibana has joined #postfix[12:01:52] <joobie> im running amavisd-new and spam assassin[12:02:00] <hanibana> hi all[12:02:08] <joobie> i want to push an email through the filter the same way an inbound email comes through to check how it scores after making some changes[12:05:14] <hanibana> I want to configure Postfix to communicate with an LMTP server; the mail is forwaded to this LMTP server (in another host) and delivered to mailbox. I could not find any How-to for such configuration. and there're many postfix parameters related to LMTP; any help or source of information?[12:12:55] <Zerberus> hanibana: man lmtp?[12:13:31] *** jtrm has joined #postfix[12:18:54] *** S7 has quit IRC[12:19:50] *** Filbert- has quit IRC[12:21:58] *** k__ has joined #postfix[12:21:58] *** S7 has joined #postfix[12:22:11] *** Filbert- has joined #postfix[12:24:55] *** bronb_ has quit IRC[12:29:53] *** sophokles has quit IRC[12:36:23] *** Supaplex has quit IRC[12:43:56] *** stephan48 has joined #postfix[12:45:45] *** mefiX has joined #postfix[12:45:53] <mefiX> hi folks.[12:47:19] <mefiX> I messed up my yearly mailgraph-stats by switching IGNORE_LOCALHOST from false to true for about one month. Is it possible to correct the rrd-image?[12:47:52] <hanibana> Zerberus: this man page has two sections for "SMTP/LMTP DESTINATION SYNTAX" . Can you tell me where can i use this distinations in configuration?[12:49:59] *** Niemi has quit IRC[12:51:12] <Zerberus> hanibana: in main.cf for instance[12:52:16] <Zerberus> mefiX: if just the image is wrong and the rrd database healthy, the error will disappare once the yearly image is regenerated[12:52:28] <hanibana> Zerberus: I know it.... but how? by which parameter?[12:54:10] <mefiX> Zerberus: i think the rrd-db is messed up[12:54:28] *** k__ has quit IRC[13:00:40] *** Dyson has joined #postfix[13:00:56] *** UQlev has quit IRC[13:02:08] <Dyson> hi. 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somehow store the envelope in the e-mail headers of e-mails that come into my mail server?[15:33:02] *** Dominian has joined #postfix[15:33:11] *** Dominian has quit IRC[15:33:18] *** Dominian has joined #postfix[15:33:36] <f3ew> GoGi policy daemon + PREPEND?[15:36:08] *** bronb_ has joined #postfix[15:38:03] *** bronb has quit IRC[15:38:42] *** TeckniX has joined #postfix[15:40:49] *** joobie has quit IRC[15:41:10] *** JonnyV has joined #postfix[15:41:59] *** diesel has joined #postfix[15:44:37] *** Robbie has joined #postfix[15:45:35] *** jens_ has quit IRC[15:55:16] *** lazaro has joined #postfix[15:59:34] *** k__ has joined #postfix[16:01:32] *** bronb_ has quit IRC[16:02:58] *** Zygo has joined #postfix[16:06:41] <lazaro> brasileiros, por aqui?[16:07:34] *** k__ is now known as bronb[16:11:37] *** memiux has quit IRC[16:14:45] <UQlev> !dkim[16:14:45] <knoba> UQlev: Error: "dkim" is not a valid command.[16:18:57] *** f3ew has quit IRC[16:19:35] *** samix has quit IRC[16:21:59] *** 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Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .[17:57:15] <Masterkiller> from what i've ready (wish I could find it again) the checks happen at different points. pretty sure i remember one of the restrictions was at data. anyways its a usbank.com mail server where all of their servers work except 1. turned on debuff for that ip, see what i get[17:57:49] *** ham has joined #postfix[17:59:15] *** kurt_ has joined #postfix[18:00:13] <ham> hello. I'm a postfix newbie and have a quick question about mydestination and virtual_alias_domains. I'd like to receive mail for domains A, B, and C and forward the mail to the local users 'a', 'b', and 'c' respectively. I've configured mydestination as localhost, A, B, C ... but I see a note about not having domains listed in both virtual_alias_domains and mydestination ... so how can I configure info@A, support@A, info@B, support@[18:00:16] <ham> Thanks![18:01:09] <rashed2020> Guys, how do I blacklist certain words and reject emails with those words in the email body or subject? Something other than SpamAssassin please.[18:01:25] <lunaphyte> ham: see !basic or !examples[18:01:42] <ham> !basic[18:01:43] <knoba> ham: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[18:01:47] <lunaphyte> !tell rashed2020 header_checks[18:01:52] <ham> !examples[18:01:52] <knoba> ham: "examples" : http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html[18:01:55] <lunaphyte> !tell rashed2020 body_checks[18:01:56] <ham> ok thanks will check them out[18:02:13] <rashed2020> Thanks, lunaphyte.[18:02:55] <pickcoder> seekwill: check you mail later today[18:03:01] <seekwill> ok[18:03:07] <seekwill> I hope I get coupons![18:03:12] <pickcoder> nah[18:03:15] <pickcoder> new vendor[18:03:16] <lunaphyte> a dead fish[18:03:29] <pickcoder> btw, Permatex and Devcon are online now[18:03:38] <seekwill> lunaphyte![18:04:06] *** xabbuh has quit IRC[18:04:14] <lunaphyte> gah![18:04:32] <seekwill> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.ca/1518043[18:04:54] <lunaphyte> haha.[18:04:58] <lunaphyte> me too.[18:05:06] <lunaphyte> although i just added another one this morning.[18:05:08] <lunaphyte> !why[18:05:09] <knoba> lunaphyte: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !msp[18:05:14] <pickcoder> heh[18:05:19] <seekwill> heh[18:05:29] <lunaphyte> all you have to remember is !rants[18:05:46] <pickcoder> !whyme[18:05:47] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "whyme" is not a valid command.[18:07:19] <mefiX> is it possible to use regular expressions in a mysql database that is assigned to a postfix configuration parameter? (e.g. virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf <- can i use regular expressions in the assigned db?)[18:07:20] <seekwill> !msp[18:07:21] <knoba> seekwill: "msp" : mail submission program: a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[18:08:05] *** githogori_ has quit IRC[18:08:24] <lunaphyte> i couldn't come up with a better term than mail submission program. suggestions are welcome[18:09:27] <pickcoder> sendonly?[18:10:23] <lunaphyte> err, a term for the program itself, not the factoid, i mean.[18:10:49] <rob0_> "null smtp client" or "nullclient"[18:10:58] *** rob0_ is now known as rob0[18:11:12] <lunaphyte> ah, that's better.[18:11:25] <rob0> #nullclient is the anchor name in !standard iirc[18:13:23] <lunaphyte> oh, that's right.[18:17:21] <lunaphyte> !nullclient[18:17:22] <knoba> lunaphyte: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[18:17:32] <Masterkiller> got the debug output for that disconnect after DATA and the pastebin is here: http://pastebin.ca/1518066[18:18:05] *** kurt_ has quit IRC[18:18:24] <rob0> Wow, knoba's getting quite the workover![18:18:25] *** plee_ has joined #postfix[18:20:06] *** hw has quit IRC[18:20:10] <lunaphyte> if i was a bit more motivated, i'd clean up some of the redundant ones too.[18:20:59] *** feisar has joined #postfix[18:21:47] <mefiX> is it possible to have several "check_recipient_access"-mechanisms behind "smtpd_recipient_restrictions"???[18:21:48] <rob0> you're motivated than me[18:22:06] <rob0> mef, of course[18:22:10] <rob0> !access[18:22:11] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[18:23:03] * cpm motivates rob0[18:23:31] *** diqpib has joined #postfix[18:23:38] *** UQlev has quit IRC[18:23:45] <mefiX> rob0: i have a mysql-db that has a blacklist. now i want to add a regex, how can i do that? simply add the regex into the mysql-db? or do i have to add one single "check_recipient_access = regexp:..."?[18:27:10] <lunaphyte> Masterkiller: from your pastebin, it would see as though the client is not sending data, or is sending so slowly or sending so much of it that it's not complete by the time the timeout arrives.[18:28:34] <lunaphyte> Masterkiller: show postconf -n[18:28:37] <Masterkiller> lunaphyte, thanks...i couldnt see anything jump out that raised a flag anywhere. the only other IP's that are getting the disconnect after data are people on the RBL lists or do not have dns lookups (spammers)[18:29:17] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[18:35:06] <Masterkiller> here is postconf for related problem "disconnect after DATA" (some IPs removed) http://pastebin.ca/1518091[18:36:44] <lunaphyte> what does postconf -d smtpd_timeout say?[18:37:15] <Masterkiller> 300s[18:38:34] <lunaphyte> something doesn't seem right.[18:39:30] <lunaphyte> postfix is only waiting ~40 seconds after sending data before it complains about a timeout.[18:40:17] <Masterkiller> here is a grep of timeouts in the last hour http://pastebin.ca/1518095[18:54:15] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[18:54:34] <pickcoder> make sure you don't have an smtpd option in master.cf setting the timeout outside of main.cf[18:54:41] *** ramoni has quit IRC[18:54:50] *** ramoni has joined #postfix[18:55:51] *** Luke-Jr has quit IRC[18:56:21] <Masterkiller> pickcoder, thanks. i just checked master.cf and no timeout set there.[18:57:02] <Masterkiller> smtp-amavis has a 1200 second timeout[18:57:04] <Masterkiller> but thats pretty long[18:57:22] <Masterkiller> and i dont think its getting that far[19:13:06] *** hever has quit IRC[19:15:15] *** jmedina has left #postfix[19:15:25] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[19:19:05] *** eanxgeek has quit IRC[19:22:44] *** eanxgeek has joined #postfix[19:29:09] *** beawesomeinstead has quit IRC[19:29:30] *** beawesomeinstead has joined #postfix[19:31:18] *** Luke-Jr has joined #Postfix[19:31:46] *** MrDin has joined #postfix[19:32:13] <MrDin> hello[19:32:56] <MrDin> looking for some help w/ postfix[19:34:19] <MrDin> any1 here?[19:34:22] <Masterkiller> yes[19:34:54] <MrDin> ive set up postfix/courier/msql but its not working - im getting this error in mail.log[19:35:40] <KB1JWQ> MrDin: Read the /topic; log excerpts and postconf -n to a pastebin, if you please.[19:35:42] <MrDin> connect to mysql server 127.0.0.1 Access denied for user 'mailadmin'@'localhost' (using passsword: YES)[19:36:16] <rob0> You might also want to take mysql questions to a mysql place.[19:37:16] <MrDin> i don't think its a sql issue - I can log into mysql using user mailadmin with the correct pw - i just don't understand why somewhere postfix is trying to use the incorrect pw[19:41:10] <MrDin> http://pastebin.com/m39a97fda[19:43:44] <Masterkiller> mrdin, you using sasl?[19:43:51] <MrDin> yes[19:43:59] <Masterkiller> thats where i would look[19:55:42] *** samix has quit IRC[19:58:04] *** SARGuy has quit IRC[19:58:29] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[20:01:19] <seekwill> pickcoder: lol, just got it... says I received it 5 hours ago :([20:01:19] *** tomocha6 has joined #postfix[20:01:19] *** tjikkun has joined #postfix[20:01:19] *** higuita has joined #postfix[20:01:20] <rob0> !debian[20:01:20] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.[20:01:23] <seekwill> pickcoder: Nice torque wrench[20:01:23] <rob0> !chroot[20:01:24] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems[20:02:31] *** ryengoth has joined #postfix[20:03:00] *** samix has joined #postfix[20:03:21] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[20:03:25] *** ryengoth is now known as pickcoder[20:03:37] <seekwill> pickcoder: lol, just got it... says I received it 5 hours ago :([20:03:43] <pickcoder> hm[20:03:46] *** hparker has quit IRC[20:03:52] <pickcoder> maybe GMT calc error[20:04:30] <rob0> 5 hours, US-CDT[20:06:04] * pickcoder broke Symantec's download center[20:09:29] <pickcoder> electronic file delivery is great for applications... when it *works*[20:09:34] <pickcoder> ugh..[20:10:39] *** Hyperi has quit IRC[20:10:50] *** Hyperi has joined #postfix[20:13:48] *** MrDin has quit IRC[20:13:53] *** Masterkiller has quit IRC[20:19:37] *** samix has quit IRC[20:19:57] *** loddafnir has quit IRC[20:21:22] *** samix has joined #postfix[20:23:27] *** F6F_ has quit IRC[20:25:18] *** cpm has quit IRC[20:27:33] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[20:33:04] *** Zikey has joined #postfix[20:33:46] <Zikey> Hi, since today I'm getting false rejection using spamhaus & postfix (rejection without valid reason), did you notice it too ?[20:35:24] <pickcoder> no complaints here. I'm using the zen data feed from spamhaus[20:35:35] <seekwill> rejection without valid reason?[20:36:04] <rob0> all is well in rob0land[20:36:20] <Zikey> k so it's my side[20:36:57] <Zikey> I'm getting this: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [76.73.67.46] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org;[20:37:10] <jmedina> resolucion problems?[20:37:24] <Zikey> while before i was getting this: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client[20:37:24] <Zikey> host [59.95.58.111] blocked using zen.spamhaus.org; http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=59.95.58.111;[20:38:16] <Zikey> The URL is not shown on bogus rejection[20:38:21] <pickcoder> if you hit spamhaus a lot, you should consider a local DNS zone feed[20:39:58] <rob0> What is a "bogus rejection"?[20:40:17] <Zikey> a rejection for an IP which is not blacklisted in spamhaus database[20:40:42] <rob0> See /topic. Why are you asking for wild guesses?[20:42:02] <Zikey> just to be sure, it was working for a year but how knows, can you confirm me that "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org" is the only configuration required to postfix for spamhaus ?[20:43:33] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[20:46:21] <nmh_j2graw> I have postfix+cyrus setup so that mail sent to username+extension at example dot com g[20:46:21] <nmh_j2graw> oes to the account for username. I would like to also have mail sent to extension at username dot example.com (or similar) to go to username (preferably with the extension noted and available to sieve). If this may be possible, where should I lo[20:46:21] <nmh_j2graw> ok and for what to get started with figuring out how to set this up?[20:46:30] <KB1JWQ> Zikey: Heh, you need more than that in there.[20:47:08] <Zikey> KB1JWQ: really ? :)[20:47:11] <KB1JWQ> nmh_j2graw: recipient_delimiter[20:47:22] <KB1JWQ> !recipient_delimiter[20:47:23] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.[20:48:45] *** brancaleone has quit IRC[20:48:50] <nmh_j2graw> KB1JWQ: thanks, but I am not sure how that helps - I have the address extensions working when I use the plus notation, but I don't think I have it working for subdomain addressing (if that is even the correct term)[20:50:00] <rob0> smtpd_recipient_restrictions MUST contain a restriction to prevent open relay, else you get "Server configuration error".[20:50:17] <KB1JWQ> nmh_j2graw: That's definitely interesting; you may have to get crafty with domain aliasing.[20:50:53] <nmh_j2graw> I guess that means that it isn't an obvious faq that I missed (which is good to know)[20:52:00] *** war9407 has quit IRC[20:52:20] <pickcoder> user names are not typically put in the domain-part so you're going to have to use regex matching[20:53:11] *** war9407 has joined #postfix[20:53:16] <pickcoder> I would assume this is for internal mail only[20:54:20] <nmh_j2graw> I remember hearing about some mail system using this to get around broken email validators that fail on plus addressing (possibly complaining about any non-alphanumeric in the email before the '@')[20:55:20] *** Zikey has left #postfix[21:00:53] *** matowy has joined #postfix[21:02:42] *** jmedina has quit IRC[21:02:46] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[21:14:10] *** matowy has quit IRC[21:17:02] *** pickcoder has quit IRC[21:28:11] *** uqlev has quit IRC[21:33:33] *** arnee has joined #postfix[21:34:00] *** arnee has quit IRC[21:34:11] *** arnee has joined #postfix[21:34:33] *** rcsu has joined #postfix[21:39:54] *** pickcoder has joined #postfix[21:40:49] <pickcoder> heh.. after a support session with Norton the download store "issue" was "Internet Explorer" and therefore it was a browser problem not a Norton order or server problem[21:41:29] * pickcoder notes the page-after-page of CSS and Javascript errors shown in firebug when Firefox was used to provide a "solution"[21:45:51] *** pingouin has quit IRC[21:46:36] *** nmh_j2graw has quit IRC[21:48:45] <seekwill> What do you use Norton for?[21:49:38] <rob0> Emperor Norton.[21:51:36] <thumbs> Norton is the best anti-virus around![21:52:11] *** uqlev has joined #postfix[21:53:50] *** arnee has quit IRC[21:55:54] <rob0> Norton was the best Emperor around![21:57:05] <lunaphyte> was he the one that refused to wear clothes?[21:57:21] <lunaphyte> what's internet explorer?[22:00:30] *** uqlev has quit IRC[22:02:11] *** kfo_ has joined #postfix[22:05:30] *** mactimes_ has joined #postfix[22:07:07] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton#Eccentric_.22Imperial.22_behavior last para. before "Later years and death"[22:07:15] *** znag has quit IRC[22:08:15] *** jmedina has quit IRC[22:08:31] *** mactimes has quit IRC[22:09:18] *** jmedina has joined #postfix[22:11:00] *** znag has joined #postfix[22:12:42] *** jmedina has quit IRC[22:13:18] *** kfo has quit IRC[22:13:18] *** kfo_ is now known as kfo[22:15:29] <lunaphyte> oh, i was thinking of the one of hans christian andersen's tale.[22:17:50] <bronb> er, wheres UQlev - I owe him a HUGE beer and chips![22:18:28] <bronb> SPF + DKIM on the Return-Path's address .. made gmail not to treat it as spam! :)[22:20:18] *** diqpib has quit IRC[22:20:45] <seekwill> DKIM isn't exactly on the return-path address...[22:22:06] *** madrescher has quit IRC[22:23:42] *** madrescher has joined #postfix[22:29:19] *** Dominian has quit IRC[22:29:23] *** Dominian has joined #postfix[22:31:35] <bronb> seekwill: what do you mean[22:32:12] <bronb> seekwill: if I change the return-path to something else .. gmail treats it as spam[22:32:23] <bronb> (and it fails dkim/spf)[22:32:39] <seekwill> You don't change the return path...[22:32:43] <bronb> well, more accurately .. "neutral" , not fail[22:32:51] <seekwill> Well, as long as it works now, yay![22:33:30] *** muh2000 has quit IRC[22:34:23] *** Supaplex has joined #postfix[22:35:29] <bronb> :)[22:36:00] <bronb> are there any recommended methods? as spf/dkim I should use to avoid being treated as spam?[22:41:40] <seekwill> Make sure your DNS is clean[22:41:45] <seekwill> DNS/IP[22:43:22] <bronb> mm... define clean?[22:51:56] *** wdp has quit IRC[22:53:36] *** z0ran has quit IRC[23:03:10] <seekwill> bronb: Making sure your hosting provider isn't one that allows spammers[23:03:18] *** pingouin has joined #postfix[23:04:11] <bronb> well, if my IP is not blacklisted, and gmail accepts me as legitimate mail even when I use From: 3rd-user at gmail dot com .. I suppose I'm fine?[23:07:03] *** feisar has quit IRC[23:10:36] *** nentis has joined #postfix[23:11:43] <nentis> is there a tls map for smtpd? I have an issue where webapp/postfix server are on the same host. I can either specify the ethernet IP as an allowed relay and use the fqdn, or disable tls and connect to localhost (else it throws a TLS hostname mismatch error)[23:12:19] <nentis> I would rather connect to localhost and not use tls, but still allow tls to be used.[23:13:14] *** rcsu has quit IRC[23:18:09] <KB1JWQ> nentis: Then on localhost, permit but don't mandate it.[23:18:17] <KB1JWQ> !tls[23:18:18] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "tls" : Short for Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS features in Postfix are documented here: http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html[23:18:18] <KB1JWQ> Go read[23:19:31] <nentis> I am reading. What I'm looking for is a "smtpd" version of smtp_tls_policy_maps[23:24:19] *** avinson has joined #postfix[23:24:30] *** avinson is now known as docta_v[23:25:15] <docta_v> anyone have tips on speeding up dkim-filter with postfix? i'm using dkim-filter 2.5.4 and postfix 2.3.8[23:25:29] <docta_v> my mail delivery has slowed down quite a bit since enabling dkim-filter[23:25:51] *** Section1 has quit IRC[23:26:31] <dragonheart> docta_v: whats the limiting factor? dns lookups/cpu/io?[23:26:45] *** samix has quit IRC[23:26:47] <docta_v> i'm not sure how to find out[23:26:48] <docta_v> it's not cpu[23:26:55] <docta_v> how can i tell if it's dns[23:27:49] <docta_v> seeing a lot of these errors too: dkim_eom(): internal error from libdkim: signature generation failed (status 0, length 0)[23:27:59] <dragonheart> probably some tracing of the dkim-filter process and seeing if the delays are waiting on udp file descriptors[23:28:18] <dragonheart> that doesn't sound good.[23:28:35] <dragonheart> perhaps fix that first. missing key?[23:29:30] <docta_v> i only have one key configured and test messages are getting signed[23:30:39] <GoGi> when the daemon of the check_policy_service is down postfix temporarily reject every mail[23:30:51] <GoGi> can I somehow tell it to accept, if the policy daemon is down?[23:30:59] <docta_v> hmm yeah a lot of timeout messages for select calls in strace[23:34:36] <seekwill> GoGi: Isn't that a good thing, to temp fail messages while the policy daemon is down?[23:35:27] <GoGi> in most cases probably[23:36:02] <docta_v> select(6, [5], NULL, [5], {5, 0}) = 0 (Timeout)[23:36:08] <docta_v> must have something to do with that[23:36:13] <docta_v> hangs on that waiting for a timeout[23:48:39] *** dragonheart has quit IRC[23:49:10] *** dragonheart has joined #postfix[23:56:38] *** kmq_ has joined #postfix