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[00:07:35] <TomHome> heys guys
[00:09:12] <jascotty> hello .. i recently got a debian server up, but i can't get postfix to work..
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[00:09:27] <jascotty> (first time configuring postfix, actually)
[00:09:54] <jascotty> one of the problems is that it times out when sending mail
[00:09:59] <jascotty> any ideas?
[00:10:14] <Zerberus> !basic
[00:10:14] <knoba> Zerberus: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[00:10:22] <rob0> !debian
[00:10:22] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well.
[00:10:39] <rob0> !port_25_block
[00:10:40] <knoba> rob0: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)
[00:12:28] <jascotty> i'll look ...
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[00:15:11] <jascotty> on the isp: the error so far is in sending.. i use dyndns... might i need anything there?
[00:15:38] <jzaboo> ok, I've checked my sql querylog and all querys are like theyshould be (chekd also with phpmyadmin).
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[00:15:49] <jzaboo> what would be the best next step
[00:15:50] <jzaboo> ?
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[00:20:20] <Zerberus> jascotty: coming with a dynamic IP many if not most MTAs will reject your mails or delete them silently or sent them to junk
[00:20:46] <Zerberus> jascotty: better use your ISP's mail server as relayhost
[00:23:29] <seekwill> I can't stand those that delete silently :(
[00:24:19] <rob0> Um, TTBOMK only Hotmail silently discards mail.
[00:24:37] <rob0> although I have recently seen suggestions that perhaps gmail does too
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[00:24:51] <rob0> (I think that one was a PEBKAC)
[00:25:01] <seekwill> I haven't seen Gmail do it. I was just playing around with that too
[00:26:09] <rob0> jascotty, try to connect to my server's port 25, that's cardinal.lizella.net.
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[00:28:10] <jascotty> telnet cardinal.lizella.net 25
[00:28:11] <Zerberus> jascotty: no private messages please
[00:28:16] <jascotty> srry
[00:28:32] <Zerberus> use the powers of all knowledgable folks in this channel
[00:28:54] <seekwill> And the not-so-knowledgeable !
[00:29:02] <jascotty> lol
[00:29:03] <jascotty> 'telnet cardinal.lizella.net 25' doesn't come up with anything
[00:29:32] <rob0> it's open ... you must be blocked. ISP is SBC/AT&T? Probably so.
[00:30:49] <jascotty> well, my server is set to dmzplus, if that helps
[00:31:24] <jascotty> at&t, btw
[00:31:36] <rob0> what is "dmzplus"?
[00:32:03] <seekwill> heh
[00:32:28] <jascotty> all ports through internet allowed
[00:33:20] <rob0> Still not answered, doesn't sound relevant anyway. (Maybe you mean some feature of the router?)
[00:34:33] <jascotty> .. yes: the router is set to rout all internet traffic through the server machine
[00:36:27] <rob0> AFAIK all AT&T consumer-grade Internet blocks port 25 outbound. Mine did, when I had SBC AT&T at home, and I think Bellsouth AT&T in my new area does too.
[00:36:43] <jascotty> :(
[00:37:44] <jascotty> no way around it?
[00:38:03] <rob0> answered already
[00:38:11] <rob0> !tell jascotty port_25_block
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[00:38:33] <jascotty> just double checking ..
[00:38:55] <jascotty> that's mildly frustrating ...
[00:39:13] <seekwill> Not at all
[00:39:27] <seekwill> Keeps the spam down from their network, which is a good thing :)
[00:39:27] <technoid_> I think you can email att and request to not have port 25 blocked...but not sure if that is for residential orjust business accountes
[00:39:49] <seekwill> I wish more ISPs would block outbound 25. You know how much less spam we'd have? :)
[00:39:52] <technoid_> think of how many infected machines are on the att dsl network...
[00:40:15] <jascotty> lol... have a point there
[00:42:43] <rob0> Even if unblocked, you're still on PBL and other lists. Probably the majority of mailboxes worldwide are Zen-protected, so, get used to being rejected.
[00:43:41] <rob0> relayhost is really the only solution for home hobbyists who don't want to pay for business service.
[00:45:00] <jascotty> ok.. postfix can be configured to send mail through another server (like gmail) ?
[00:48:32] <rob0> !relayhost
[00:48:33] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[00:50:47] <bronb> guys, about a week ago I been trying to use my external mail server, to send an email with a "From:" address, of a gmail account,... but you guys told me gmail won't allow such behavior --- so how come generic Mailing Lists .. spoof the "From:" header as the sender's .. and gmail accepts it as a legitimate email?
[00:54:16] <rob0> You're probably not understanding the difference between envelope and headers. Headers are in the message body. Mailing list managers typically don't change the body much (other than adding some headers), but they use their own envelope sender address.
[00:54:44] <rob0> This is where having a bit of understanding of SMTP helps.
[00:54:58] <bronb> rob0: obviously its the first time I hear there is a difference :)
[00:55:46] <bronb> so you're practically saying it is possible, it just should be done 'right'?
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[00:56:22] <jzaboo> allright I solved the problem... more or less
[00:56:50] <rob0> um, I don't relay through gmail, so I can't help you with what they might require. I have a static IP.
[00:57:01] <jzaboo> simple as that: sasl doesn't support encrypted passwords... duh!
[00:57:25] <jzaboo> rob0: can you confirm that?
[00:57:38] <bronb> rob0: no no, its not about relaying .. its about using my own mail server, and use the sender's email address in the "From:" field?
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[00:59:22] <bronb> I'll try to make a sample, will take me few minutes
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[01:02:09] <rob0> If you're using crypted mechanisms like *-MD5, the SASL backend needs access to plaintext passwords.
[01:03:20] <rob0> Most folks these days just require TLS for AUTH, therefore you don't need crypted mechanisms; AUTH PLAIN is safe from sniffers after STARTTLS.
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[01:12:55] <jascotty> i configured relayhost to 'smtp.gmail.com:587'
[01:13:32] <jascotty> .. the mail qued disappeared
[01:13:54] <jascotty> ... queued
[01:14:30] <jascotty> din't land in any of my gmail accounts, and not to where the mail was headed
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[01:17:50] <jzaboo> rob0: But if my database gets compromised all passwords are just therereadable for everyone.
[01:18:16] <jzaboo> rob0: already installed dovecot. I'll now follow postfix.org's instructions on using it
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[01:33:00] <gebi> jzaboo: if you don't use crypted auth (plain or login with tls) you can hash the passwords and be fine in this case
[01:34:49] <bronb> http://74.86.94.210/p.txt  <-- it been crypted  ... anybody can 'see' anything wrong?
[01:35:14] <bronb> if I replace: To: user at gmail dot com  , From: user at non-gmail dot com ..... gmail thinks its legitimate
[01:35:38] <bronb> while if I use: To: user at gmail dot com  , From: user2 at gmail dot com  .... gmail thinks its spam?
[01:37:38] <lunaphyte> jzaboo: if a plaintext auth mech is used, your passwords can still be stored in the db as hashes.
[01:37:48] <bronb> (isn't that exactly the same as Mailing lists are working? ... if I use user2 at gmail dot com via a ML .. it shows: From: user2 at gmail dot com ... and To: user1 at gmail dot com ... and gmail thinks its perfectly valid)
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[01:43:26] <jzaboo> gebi: OK dovecot is already running but my passwords are encrypted in postfix special base64 format (I think that#s what it was called) so is there a way to use encrypted (or even hashed) passwords with dovecot AND postfix?
[01:44:17] <jzaboo> For now dovecot says "auth failed" since it tries to use plain text against my sql database.
[01:53:34] <seekwill> Just remember to make sure the channel the passwords flow over is encrypted ...
[01:55:45] <jzaboo> it is
[01:55:47] <jzaboo> TLS
[01:55:49] <jzaboo> but
[01:56:17] <jzaboo> I changed my databse format to MD5 hashes and set default_pass_scheme=plain-md5 inmy dovecot config but the logon process still fails.
[01:57:14] <jzaboo> dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected (auth failed, 1 attempts): user=<jzaboo at fresh-gaming dot de>, method=PLAIN, rip=91.42.78.144, lip=213.239.206.143, TLS: Disconnected
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[02:01:55] <lunaphyte> jzaboo: the method with which passwords are stored in your db and the method with which they're passed from the client to the server are two different things.
[02:03:58] 
[02:05:01] <jascotty> this is not related to the current issue... i configured relayhost for authentication with http://www.freelock.com/kb/Postfix_relayhost     now the mail queue returns with 'SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate to server smtp.gmail.com: no mechanism available'
[02:05:24] <jascotty> anyone know what the issue is?
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[02:12:27] <lunaphyte> jzaboo: is this a new setup, or something being adapted to an existing database?
[02:12:35] <jzaboo> adapted
[02:12:44] <jzaboo> databse created by postfixadmin
[02:13:24] <jascotty> g2g... i'll leave the client up, if anyone knows anything about my issue (relayhost authentication)
[02:13:33] <lunaphyte> oh - so you're not using postfix, you're using postfixadmin.  you'll have to determine which format postfixadmin stores the passwords in, and then hopefully you can make dovecot work with it.
[02:13:48] <jzaboo> it stores it in md5
[02:14:07] <jzaboo> and mydovecot-mysql.conf also says default_pass_scheme = PLAIN-MD5
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[02:14:15] <rob0> Gee, I answered jascotty while he was here ...
[02:14:49] <rob0> !tell jascotty relayhost
[02:14:50] <lunaphyte> jzaboo: beyond that, i'd probably start turning on some of the verbose/debug logging options for dovecot, and ask for further help in #dovecot.
[02:14:55] <rob0> !tell jascotty saslclient
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[02:17:02] <jzaboo> lunaphyte: Yeah im also at #dovecot but it's kinda silent there :-)
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[02:26:24] <jzaboo> OK, dovecot seems not even query anything from my db...
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[03:46:39] <bronb_> I'm trying to a send an email to a gmail account, with: "From: user at gmail dot com" ... but being sent from my mailserver. (not via gmail) ... but I end up as "spam" ... while using any random: "From: user at random dot com" .. gmail treats it as a legitimate email ... any hint what I could be doing wrong?
[03:47:50] <uqlev> bronb_, seems youhave no rights to send in the name of google
[03:48:12] <bronb_> uqlev: why not? howcome any generic mailinglist does that?
[03:49:04] <seekwill> Didn't we go over this before?
[03:49:25] <uqlev> bronb_, dig -t txt gmail.com
[03:49:28] <bronb_> seekwill: yes, but now I know it is possible for mailinglists to do so - so obviously it is possible?
[03:49:46] <seekwill> heh
[03:49:51] <Dominian> the first flag of spam: the same address in the From: as is in the To:
[03:50:03] <seekwill> Dominian: Nope!
[03:50:07] <bronb_> Dominian: but it's not
[03:50:08] <Dominian> seekwill: YEP!
[03:50:18] <Dominian> seekwill: :P
[03:50:20] <bronb_> Dominian: To: user1 at gmail dot com .. From: user2 at gmail dot com
[03:50:21] <Dominian> seekwill: You justlike arguing!
[03:50:22] <seekwill> Dominian: There are very legitimate reasons to do that.
[03:50:29] <seekwill> Dominian: Because everyone is wrong :)
[03:50:41] <Dominian> seekwill: This I know, but just about every spam scan service will add a bit of score for From = TO
[03:50:52] <uqlev> bronb_, SPF records
[03:51:01] <bronb_> uqlev: well, as you can understand I'm pretty much new ... I don't mind to google .. but any hint what I should be googling? "SPF record" ?
[03:51:09] <Dominian> !spf
[03:51:09] <knoba> Dominian: "spf" : sender policy framework - an extension to SMTP that allows to identify and reject emails from spoofed/forged email senders. SPF is just a TXT record in your DNS zone in a special format. See: http://www.openspf.org/
[03:51:40] <seekwill> Dominian: Consider how popular it is for people to BCC: a list, but list themselves as the recipient?
[03:52:34] <Dominian> seekwill: Oh I know
[03:52:36] <uqlev> bronb_, it is not normal in general to send in the name of the domain which you are not hosting
[03:53:09] <uqlev> bronb_, otherwise use their relays
[03:53:11] <seekwill> We're still going about this wrong...
[03:53:12] <bronb_> uqlev: I understand its not normal, but its very common
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[03:53:40] <uqlev> bronb_, It was common
[03:53:59] <bronb_> uqlev: what do you mean? there are mailing lists who don't do that anymore?
[03:54:27] <bronb_> btw: dig -t txt mplayerhq.hu  ... it means there is no SPF record? (this is the mailing list who works fine with gmail)
[03:54:36] <uqlev> bronb_, I have no ideas which MTA use those mailing lists
[03:55:46] <seekwill> damn
[03:55:54] <bronb_> uqlev: is it something I may gather as a client of theirs?
[03:56:00] <uqlev> bronb_, if any domain is not restricted by SPF then you may send in the name of this domain. But gmail is restricted
[03:56:43] <bronb_> but mplayerhq.hu can send in my name, to other gmail accounts. (the From: ... at gmail dot com)
[03:56:59] <uqlev> bronb_, you may use gmail.com as a relay if you authenticate your MTA
[03:57:21] <bronb_> using gmail.com as a relay - means I'm bound to their capacities/restrictions?
[03:57:36] <uqlev> right
[03:57:57] <bronb_> thats what I'm trying to avoid .. thats why I use my mailserver to send the mails directly to the list
[03:58:20] <bronb_> but I want the replies to go back to the 'public' gmail account
[03:58:27] <uqlev> bronb_, then send in the name of the domain you own and host
[03:58:57] <bronb_> that means everybody needs to move from the public gmail account ... to a new domain ... (thats what I try to avoid)
[03:59:20] <bronb_> and I pretty like to enjoy gmail's filtering/anti-spam abilities :)
[03:59:46] <uqlev> then respect their policy ;P
[03:59:53] <bronb_> lol
[04:00:59] <bronb_> common, any mailing list out there uses user at gmail dot com to send to other listed gmail users ... wheres the magic :| .. what I'm missing
[04:02:17] <uqlev> bronb_, I am not familiar to mailing lists, I used to deal with individual sender
[04:03:07] <uqlev> bronb_, I am just drawing your attention to SPF restrictions
[04:03:33] <bronb_> uqlev: well, thanks - but if mplayerhq.hu has no SPF record, it means its something else I'm doing wrnog?
[04:03:41] <bronb_> wrong*
[04:03:56] <seekwill> damn
[04:04:13] <seekwill> bronb_: Start over. What are you trying to do?
[04:04:25] <uqlev> unless mplayerhq.hu has any SPF then you may send in their name w/o problems
[04:04:50] <bronb_> uqlev: I meant mplayerhq.hu can send in a gmail user's name ... to another gmail user ... without being treated as spam
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[04:05:17] <bronb_> seekwill: I have a gmail account, I have a list of ~200 members who know that account. "it's public"
[04:05:30] <uqlev> bronb_, may be you missing some substantial details of how they do it
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[04:05:58] <seekwill>  who know that account. "it's public"  <-- what does all that mean?
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[04:06:37] <bronb_> seekwill: it means there are X amount of people who are memeber of a party - who uses that email address to post messages to?
[04:07:09] <seekwill> I don't get it. Forget I asked :)
[04:07:15] <bronb_> lol
[04:07:33] <bronb_> seekwill: you have 200 friends, who know the address: hey at gmail dot com , thats better? :)
[04:07:44] <seekwill> ok?
[04:08:07] <seekwill> ok, so maybe you meant "to send messages to" instead of "post"?
[04:08:17] <bronb_> yes
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[04:08:52] <bronb_> so, till now .. you been using gmail to send messages to these friends .. gmail  limits were no concern due to the small amount of friends
[04:09:12] <seekwill> ok
[04:09:26] <bronb_> now, the list is 'growing' ... and you gmail's restrictions is a concern, so instead of using gmail to send it out - I want to use my own mailserver to send it directly to the members
[04:10:03] <seekwill> Why?
[04:10:29] <bronb_> because gmail will ban me if I'll abuse their service?
[04:10:40] <seekwill> I think you're going about this the wrong way
[04:10:46] <bronb_> I sure do! :)
[04:11:27] <bronb_> how would you approach it?
[04:11:29] <uqlev> bronb_, can your "party friends" use new address to send to / receive from hey at yourdomain dot com?
[04:12:03] <bronb_> uqlev: well, they can ... but I prefer keeping the public gmail account
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[04:13:32] <uqlev> bronb_, you have no rights (me neither) to send in the name of gmail.com directly and use your own MTA
[04:14:04] <uqlev> bronb_, we have to forward this mails via gmail's servers
[04:14:24] <bronb_> uqlev: but thats exactly what mplayerhq.hu is doing? ... if I message mplayerhq.hu 's mailing list ... with the account: hey at gmail dot com .. it will send that message to the rest of gmail users as: "From: hey at gmail dot com"
[04:14:28] <uqlev> bronb_, that is whay SPF was introduced
[04:15:12] <uqlev> bronb_, better show me full headers (envelope) as an example
[04:15:41] <bronb_> uqlev: may I /msg you a link to a paste? (that way I won't need to 'mess it'..)
[04:15:44] <uqlev> how do mplayerhq.hu forwards their mails
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[04:15:58] <uqlev> pastebin
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[04:43:37] <Thazza> Hey All.
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[04:53:02] <bronb_> uqlev: thanks a lot, you're the man! .. I'll keep you updated the minute I'll test it :)
[04:53:16] <uqlev> ok
[04:56:09] <standon> heh
[04:59:14] <Thazza> Got some trouble with my postfix + mysql setup.. I can't seem to have an account and a alias with the same details. The alias takes control and the email doesn't go to the account.. Is there any way of making postfix send it to both?
[05:00:10] <standon> Thazza: improve your problem description with good, straightforward examples and a pastebin with the relevant information as clearly requested in this channel's /topic.
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[05:55:01] <damo22> which ports do i need to open for postfix server?
[05:55:07] <damo22> 25 and 110?
[05:55:18] <Dominian> 25
[05:55:23] <Dominian> postfix doesn't do pop3/imap
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[05:57:55] <lunaphyte> likely 587 as well.
[05:58:23] <damo22> i want to set up a mail server on my linux box... i bought a domain name, and im hosting it myself... how do i make say, info at domainname dot com receive emails via pop3?
[05:59:34] <thumbs> damo22: postfix doesn't do pop or imap. See dovecot
[06:00:37] <damo22> thanks
[06:00:55] <lunaphyte> pop3 is a protocol for retrieving messages, not sending or receiving them.
[06:02:47] <lunaphyte> not to mention the fact that pop3 sucks anyway.  use imap.
[06:03:21] <thumbs> +1 for imap
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[06:47:50] <Adola> Hi!  do I need to configure postfix?
[06:47:55] <rob0> Nope.
[06:48:05] <rob0> !google_apps
[06:48:05] <knoba> rob0: "google_apps" : see !googleapps
[06:48:08] <rob0> !googleapps
[06:48:09] <knoba> rob0: "googleapps" : Google Apps - http://www.google.com/a/ - A free service provided by Google to have your email and other services hosted by them
[06:48:13] <Adola> (A better question, how do I configure postfix to use smtp.google.com to send out mail?
[06:48:29] <rob0> !relayhost
[06:48:30] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[06:48:35] <rob0> !saslclient
[06:48:36] <knoba> rob0: "saslclient" : See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl when you need client-side SASL authentication to deliver mail to another server
[06:49:17] <Adola> Where is main.cf?
[06:50:35] <Adola> Found it.
[06:51:44] <Adola> rob0: Um, in Relayhost, I don't see a "port" option?
[06:51:47] <Adola> smtp.google.com with port 465
[06:51:53] <Adola> how do i put that in?
[06:53:26] <rob0> I bet it is in the !saslclient link.
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[07:04:48] <Adola> rob0: There is no /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd file.
[07:05:22] <Adola> I set the "relay host" configuration, but, I've not gotten the sasl thing, I've read this multiple times, and I just don't get it.
[07:06:52] <lunaphyte> hy were you expecting there to be one?
[07:06:59] <lunaphyte> *why were...
[07:07:05] <Adola> Yes.
[07:07:19] <lunaphyte> why were you expecting there to be one?
[07:07:24] <Adola> And, do I need to add in all that bit to main.cf for the sasl?
[07:07:41] <Adola> Because in the guide it said "/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd:"
[07:07:48] <lunaphyte> what guide?
[07:07:49] <Adola> I just ASSUMED thre was a file to edit.
[07:07:56] <Adola> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[07:08:16] <lunaphyte> those are examples.
[07:08:35] <lunaphyte> not descriptions of how the software ships.
[07:08:46] <lunaphyte> just create the file.  you can name it whatever you like/
[07:10:19] <Adola> Should I use the submission? or not?
[07:10:35] <Adola> (I'm using google's smtp port)
[07:10:58] <lunaphyte> that question can't be answered without additional detail.
[07:11:11] <Adola> Um, what other detail?
[07:11:20] <lunaphyte> what exactly it is you're doing.
[07:11:37] <Adola> I just want mail to be sent.  (I'm using wordpress, and users aren't getting emails)
[07:11:50] <Adola> (However, I'm not getting messages claiming errors)
[07:11:50] <lunaphyte> oh, you don't need postfix for that.
[07:12:03] <Adola> .....What do I need?
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[07:12:27] <lunaphyte> just use a mail submission program like esmtp, ssmtp, nullmailer etc. to submit messages to an mta for delivery.
[07:12:57] <Adola> Ahh, thanks then.
[07:13:34] <lunaphyte> that way you can just use your provider's mail server, and you don't have to run one.
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[07:21:39] <Thazza> Got some trouble with my postfix + mysql setup.. I can't seem to have an account and a alias with the same details. The alias takes control and the email doesn't go to the account.. Is there any way of making postfix send it to both? For loads more information read the following: http://pastebin.com/d61928b9f
[07:23:46] <lunaphyte> pastebin postconf -n
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[07:28:14] <Thazza> http://pastebin.com/d5ddb309
[07:33:15] <Thazza> lunaphyte: does this help you at all?
[07:38:59] <lunaphyte> pastebin a log snippit of postfix processing a message that exhibits the undesired behavior (and grep out non-postfix crap)
[07:41:43] <rob0> !mung
[07:41:44] <knoba> rob0: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
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[08:02:27] <sysmonk> mornin
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[08:08:07] <Thazza> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/d1b47100
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[08:58:44] <rob0> Well, the pastes were munged beyond all usefulness, but the question is simple, answered in virtual.5.html ... multiple results.
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[08:59:15] <rob0> virtual_alias_maps : user at example dot com   user at example dot com,user@example.net
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[09:17:10] <Thazza> rob0: Was that answer for me?
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[09:20:24] <Thazza> rob0: Only reason I ask, is because I am trying to have the email go to both the main account and the forwarding account. Can postfix do this.
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[10:21:12] <root> hii all
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[10:25:20] <X86> need support for postfix someone can help me ?
[10:32:45] <sysmonk> can support postfix for money, can someone help me?
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[10:47:14] <Supaplex> sysmonk: sly :)
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[10:50:35] <troy> how can i instruct postfix not to deny mail that doesnt match a user in the virtual mailbox table since the user is defined as a transport?
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[10:54:41] <troy> basically i want to accept mail for unknown users
[10:55:22] <sep> troy, a catch all address
[10:55:28] <troy> sep, nope
[10:55:40] <troy> basically i want to tell postfix not to deny mail before it has a chance to be matched by the transport
[10:55:57] <troy> its getting dropped too early
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[10:58:51] <sep> user defined as a transport ? those would be real users and not virtual users i belive
[10:59:10] <sep> ie to be able to pipe the mail to a comman or similar ?
[11:08:50] <troy> sep, i.e. user@domain smtp:mx.server.com
[11:09:05] <troy> except postfix is dropping the mail as the user isnt defined in the virtual user table
[11:13:47] <sep> you have that as a transport map
[11:13:49] <sep> ?
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[11:21:34] <troy> sep, yes ..
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[11:26:57] <troy> is setting smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient = no dangerous ?
[11:27:01] <troy> it fixed my issue.
[11:28:36] <sep> troy, i use  relay_domains = to list the domains i relay for.  and i use  transport maps to map what domain relay where.  and i use  address_verify_map to store verified RECIPIENT addersses. (and i know the domains i relay for allow me to verify)
[11:29:31] <sep> troy, accepting email into your queue that you can not deliver is dangerous yes. it will make you a backscater spammer and get you listed in most blacklists that exsist and nobody wants to accept mail from you again.
[11:30:08] <sep> i use reject_unverified_recipient
[11:31:20] <sep> why do you have a transport for one user only btw? transport the whole domain. and put the one user in the list of valid recipients instead
[11:31:21] <sep> ?
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[11:38:14] <caraconan> Hi. I can send mails from my server, but the mailman list rejects the incoming mails: (/var/log/mail.log) http://pastebin.com/m3b2225fe
[11:38:20] <caraconan> I configured a extern smtp relay (smtp.gmail.com), and all worked fine...
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[11:45:37] <Zerberus> the obfuscated domain is neither local nor virtual for postfix
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[11:51:37] <Roobarb-Work> caraconan: one would suggest that you have not conpleted the postfix configuration part of the mailman guide
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[12:05:50] <Mr-B> Hey people
[12:05:53] <Mr-B> question for ya...
[12:06:12] <Mr-B> ....I'm trying to rewrite the headers for people sending email
[12:06:52] <Mr-B> they send as (for example) 'australia.com' and they have been bought by a company and they now need to send as 'newaustralia.com'
[12:06:58] <Mr-B> I'm trying to ue canonical rewrite
[12:07:12] <Mr-B> whats the format I should use in the table ?
[12:07:24] <Mr-B> @austrlia.com @newaustralia.com ?
[12:07:29] <Mr-B> or am I missing a trick here?
[12:09:16] <caraconan> <Roobarb-Work> excuse me, I was out. I can send mails from the server, and the system worked wel...
[12:09:33] <Roobarb-Work> caraconan: re-read my comment
[12:10:02] <Roobarb-Work> mailman will require certain settings within main.cf, evidence suggests those have not been completed correctly
[12:10:17] <caraconan> Well, the mailman worked fine,
[12:10:28] <caraconan> But I will see again. Thanks a lot
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[12:15:27] <Mr-B> busy in here today ;)
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[12:23:26] <theblackbox> sorry but can't seem to word this correctly for google - I'm wanting a domain.com and a domain.org to share the same mailboxes, is this an alias thing or are there specific configuration steps for this, any links appreciated
[12:23:56] <Roobarb-Work> virtual_alias_maps
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[12:24:18] <Roobarb-Work> or, just set mydestination to both domains
[12:24:51] <Mr-B> That won't work in this instance
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[12:25:33] <Roobarb-Work> Mr-B: because?
[12:25:56] <Mr-B> sorry Roobarb-Work, thought you were replying to my question
[12:26:06] <Mr-B> the test got lost in all the disconnects and reconnections
[12:26:09] <Mr-B> text even
[12:26:14] <Roobarb-Work> ack
[12:26:15] <Roobarb-Work> yes
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[12:27:10] <Mr-B> Roobarb-Work: You got any experience with SMTP address re-writing ?
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[12:27:18] <Mr-B> particularly the sender address?
[12:27:56] <caraconan> <Roobarb-Work> http://pastebin.com/m4d642b0b Here's my main.cf
[12:28:16] <caraconan> I have to exit. I read you later. Thanks
[12:29:43] <sysmonk> Supaplex: ?
[12:30:37] <Roobarb-Work> Mr-B: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/postfix-is-it-possible-to-rewrite-sender-address-only-for-selective-recipient-473598/
[12:31:01] <Roobarb-Work> ignore the part about it being for individual users
[12:31:27] <Mr-B> Ayw saw that, but thanks :)
[12:31:37] <Mr-B> i think there's something wrong with my setup
[12:31:42] <Mr-B> cos it still doesn't seem to do the rewrite
[12:31:58] <Roobarb-Work> you postmapped said file?
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[12:32:39] <Mr-B> Yis
[12:33:29] <joobie> hey guys.. i want to route certain emails, based on headers, to subfolders for particular users.. so that they in effect go to different imap folders. I'm reading through google and most say to use procmail.. can it be done with postfix natively?
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[12:35:35] <NoName> morning...
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[12:35:47] <Roobarb-Work> joobie: I use sieve for that
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[12:37:04] <joobie> Roobarb-Work, dovecot-sieve?
[12:37:09] <Roobarb-Work> yes
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[12:37:10] <Mr-B> Roobarb-Work: Ah ha!
[12:37:12] <joobie> ahh
[12:37:14] <Mr-B> Spotted something in the headers
[12:37:27] <Mr-B> the Return-Path is set to the new domain, but not the Sender ADdress
[12:37:32] <joobie> Roobarb-Work, i'd rather use procmail if it can't be done with postfix...
[12:37:36] <joobie> can it not be done with postfix?
[12:37:39] <Roobarb-Work> no
[12:37:44] <Roobarb-Work> off to #procmail with you
[12:37:49] <Mr-B> lol
[12:38:25] <joobie> heh
[12:39:17] <joobie> i duno man.. i could use header_checks to see if certain headers exist, if it does send it to a virtual user that maps to a file via the virtual user table
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[12:39:31] <Guest61921> i have a question... i'd need to allow legal interception on our smtp servers. Normally it is done with some kind of a port mirroring on the traffic ethernet port which can't be done in case of smtps (465) or even tls (starttls on port 25 or 587)
[12:39:34] <joobie> that would work i think.. just not sure if it's a "clean way" to achieve it with postfix
[12:39:39] <Guest61921> any ideas how to do that?
[12:40:06] <joobie> Guest61921, don't help big brother
[12:40:13] <Roobarb-Work> he may not have a choice
[12:40:29] <Guest61921> joobie iether i do this or shutdown the server...
[12:40:43] <Roobarb-Work> Guest61921:  is this for inbound or outbound connections?
[12:40:44] <joobie> Guest61921, serious? what country is this?
[12:41:04] <Roobarb-Work> my initial suggestion would be simply turn off tls
[12:41:25] <Guest61921> Roobarb-Work for our subscribers (i work for an isp)
[12:41:37] <Guest61921> joobie slovenia
[12:41:44] <joobie> Guest61921, your gov sux
[12:41:57] <joobie> Guest61921, do you want to capture "all" email.. as in all inbound and outbound?
[12:41:59] <Guest61921> joobie indeed
[12:42:06] <Roobarb-Work> Guest61921: turn off tls
[12:42:08] <joobie> in AU i don't think we have those sort of rules
[12:42:12] <Guest61921> that's the trick...
[12:42:14] <joobie> unless the cops go and get a court order
[12:42:15] <Roobarb-Work> joobie: you'd be suprised
[12:42:24] <Guest61921> i'd like our users _CAN_ use tls/ssl
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[12:42:41] <Guest61921> but allow government to intercept traffic if needed
[12:42:53] <joobie> Guest61921, what do you mean by "intercept" ?
[12:43:00] <joobie> you want to forward all email to an address of theirs?
[12:43:04] <Guest61921> no
[12:43:06] <joobie> then?
[12:43:17] <Guest61921> because in that case mail headers are changed
[12:43:33] <Guest61921> a whole bunch of Received from... and stuff like that
[12:43:49] <Roobarb-Work> Guest61921: you could install a tls offload server, and configure it to forward everything to the real server, past the span port
[12:43:50] <joobie> so how do you want them to access these emails?
[12:43:50] <Guest61921> their intercepting servers should be able to see the incoming traffic
[12:43:54] <joobie> pop it from a mailbox?
[12:44:31] <Guest61921> joobie umm.. the customers are accessing other mail servers for pop/imap...
[12:44:40] <Guest61921> there's a bunch of incoming servers (smtp)
[12:44:49] <Guest61921> couple of mail storage servers (in load balancing)
[12:45:02] <Guest61921> and some pop/imap proxies (to the mail storage server)
[12:45:06] <joobie> ahh
[12:45:11] <joobie> do like Roob suggested them
[12:45:13] <Roobarb-Work> tls offload then
[12:45:13] <Guest61921> for now i need help with postfix on the mail gateways
[12:45:21] <Guest61921> tls offload?
[12:45:28] <joobie> you basically terminate your SSL
[12:45:30] <Guest61921> never used that... maybe url os some sort
[12:45:35] <joobie> then forward that traffic to another local port
[12:45:38] <joobie> so for example
[12:45:44] <Guest61921> yeah...
[12:45:47] <joobie> users connect to your server via tls
[12:45:50] <joobie> they submit mail
[12:46:00] <joobie> then ur postfix is setup to forward all that email to :4040
[12:46:01] <joobie> or watever
[12:46:02] <Guest61921> i was thinking of using stunnel or something
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[12:46:05] <joobie> without tlc
[12:46:06] <joobie> tls
[12:46:11] <joobie> then sniff port 4040
[12:46:16] <Guest61921> joobie yeah.. but i'd need smtp auth
[12:46:18] <Roobarb-Work> internet clients do TLS to the offload server which acceps mail, and forwards it in the clear on port 25 to the real mail server. Thus, span ports or taps can see the messages
[12:46:25] <joobie> why?
[12:46:32] <joobie> your tls public port could handle auth
[12:46:40] <joobie> anything going to :4040 would already be auth'ed
[12:46:48] <Guest61921> right...
[12:46:52] <joobie> localhost:4040 that is
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[12:47:09] <Guest61921> any urls for this tls offload thingy...
[12:47:14] <Guest61921> so i can check if that would work
[12:47:18] <joobie> i duno what this offload thing is
[12:47:21] <joobie> just terminate
[12:47:24] <joobie> and use a postfix filter
[12:47:27] <joobie> *shrug*
[12:47:47] <joobie> or there might be another cleaner way rather than a filter
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[12:48:02] <joobie> but i guess filter is fitting giving you are breaching the trust of your subscribers
[12:48:12] <joobie> you should really put a tnotice up saying you are filtering your email
[12:48:20] <joobie> dog act to do that...
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[12:55:16] <kmq> hi everyone, I am getting 'host example.com said: 550 Missing, invalid or expired BATV signature' from example.com
[12:56:00] <kmq> am I correct in understanding that for BATV to work at all I would have to set up my own mailserver to use it ?
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[12:56:54] <kmq> so that example.com could verify my bounce address?
[12:57:17] <kmq> this is something I am not actually interested in doing, I just want to deliver mail to this host
[12:59:31] <Roobarb-Work> BATV is for bounce processing
[12:59:47] <Roobarb-Work> and I don't know of anyone who actually uses it
[13:00:01] <kmq> it's new to me too
[13:00:22] <kmq> it seems weird that someone would require it
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[13:01:17] <Mr-B> Roobarb-Work: THanks alot for your help, very appreciated.  You just turned a long night into a slightly shorter night! ;)
[13:01:24] <Roobarb-Work> heh
[13:01:37] <Mr-B> laters people :D
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[13:02:45] <kmq> but is my understanding correct that BATV == 'signed From:'
[13:02:48] <kmq> ?
[13:06:29] <Roobarb-Work> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bounce_Address_Tag_Validation
[13:06:38] <Roobarb-Work> thats the extent of my knowledge on the subject :)
[13:07:42] <kmq> meh, I whish I had that freedom. Now I have to learn about an obsolete technology
[13:07:46] <kmq> but thank you
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[13:29:03] <polaru> mails are coming to my machine from various ips on lan. how can i specify a different logfile for a certain source ip address? (the customer requested the mail logfile for all his emails sent through my postfix)
[13:29:17] <Roobarb-Work> you cant
[13:29:26] <Roobarb-Work> aside from possible use of grep
[13:29:57] <polaru> no, something from postfix... than i guess i need a new instance of postfix.
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[13:38:07] <Zerberus> polaru: postfix uses syslog(), running syslog-ng you could create specific filter rules
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[13:38:45] <polaru> Zerberus: ok, i'll look into that. thanks.
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[14:22:33] <separatrix> I have a forward setup on each account in a domain name to forward a copy to boss at company dot com -- the majority work fine, however some keep getting bounced with a strange message "warn: netset: cannot include 127.0.0.1/32 as it has already been included procmail" any ideas how I can work around this?
[14:24:04] <gencha> every mail people receive also goes to the boss? :D
[14:24:33] <separatrix> yea, organisations eh?
[14:25:12] <separatrix> It's weird though, because there's no difference in the accounts.. I've never come across this type of error before
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[14:28:38] <hanibana> hi all
[14:28:43] <Roobarb-Work> if evey mail goes to your boss, just sign up to a bumch of high-volume mailing lists, and watch the spam come in
[14:31:10] <hanibana> I want that postfix connects to an LMTP server, is it enough to specify lmtp_bind_address and lmtp_tcp_port parameters? or is there any parameter to enable LMTP anyway?
[14:31:53] <separatrix> I know that, you know that, but try telling corporate people that.. It's really within a department and they all work together so it's a way they can "keep each other in the loop", real question is though: does anybody have any idea how to not include the local loopback in procmail, or to allow this to pass through?
[14:32:08] <Roobarb-Work> #procmail
[14:32:17] <Roobarb-Work> I don't use it, sorry
[14:33:09] <separatrix> thank you Roobarb-Work
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[15:13:29] <TwoFix_Work> I have a server that used to be doing both mail and apache servers.  I moved the mail server over the weekend and would like to setup postfix so that messages can go out from the server, but any message destined for the server (even local messages) are forwarded to the new system...anyone know of an example main.cf or a setting that I need to add?
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[15:33:24] <raubvogel> How can I have postfix be the smtp server for a given domain but not be its mail server? Of course I would like it not only to blatantly accept mails from that domain; it should smtp auth
[15:33:54] <Roobarb-Work> !relay_domains
[15:33:54] <knoba> Roobarb-Work: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
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[15:36:22] <raubvogel> So, relay_domains will also take care of authenticating mail from that domain?
[15:36:37] <Roobarb-Work> no, you'd need to do that as well
[15:36:54] <Roobarb-Work> !check_recipient_access
[15:36:54] <knoba> Roobarb-Work: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[15:38:45] <raubvogel> Oh, I see now what I got wrong. I need to have a separate database for those users
[15:39:34] <raubvogel> Thanks!
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[15:40:46] <ojii> hi everyone, i tried to set up postfix and it's running but when i telnet into it to see if it works I get "Escape character is '^]'" and then "Connection closed by foreign host."
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[15:41:15] <Roobarb-Work> ojii: check you don't have a firewall
[15:41:20] <Roobarb-Work> ojii: also check:
[15:41:23] <ojii> Roobarb-Work, I don't
[15:41:42] <ojii> (or does ubuntu server have a default firewall set up?)
[15:41:46] <Roobarb-Work> !inet_interfaces
[15:41:46] <knoba> Roobarb-Work: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[15:42:06] <Roobarb-Work> many installations of Postfix have that set to localhost by default
[15:42:32] <ojii> "inet_interfaces = all"
[15:42:46] <Roobarb-Work> hmm
[15:42:50] <Roobarb-Work> iptables -L -n
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[15:43:29] <ojii> gives me this: http://pastebin.com/m24332f3e
[15:43:49] <Roobarb-Work> hmm
[15:44:08] <ojii> btw i set it up with this: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts
[15:44:13] <Roobarb-Work> netstat -plant | grep \:25
[15:44:17] <ojii> it's the first time ever i try to set up a mail server
[15:44:34] <ojii> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      29829/master
[15:44:44] <Roobarb-Work> :/
[15:44:46] <Roobarb-Work> looks ok
[15:44:57] <Roobarb-Work> pastebin "postconf -n" please
[15:45:22] <Roobarb-Work> you are telnetting to port 25?
[15:46:05] <ojii> http://pastebin.com/m69b67a8d
[15:46:14] <ojii> yes i do: telnet localhost 25
[15:46:38] <Roobarb-Work> is that a direct copy?
[15:46:47] <ojii> ?
[15:46:53] <Roobarb-Work> because your "mynetworks" setting is not a valid IPv4 address
[15:47:09] <Roobarb-Work> mynetworks = 127.127.0.0.0/8
[15:47:09] <ojii> oh
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[15:47:22] <BarryAllen> hi all,
[15:47:23] <ojii> i got that from a guide, what should it be like?
[15:47:31] <Roobarb-Work> 127.0.0.0/8
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[15:47:41] <Zelest> hey! that's my IP! :O
[15:47:54] <ojii> w00t now we know your IP we can hack you Zelest
[15:47:54] <BarryAllen> how can I override some O.S enviroment variables when run some external command with PIPE ?
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[15:48:03] <Roobarb-Work> Zelest: its a subnet, but yet.
[15:48:04] <Roobarb-Work> *yes
[15:48:37] <Zelest> Roobarb-Work, might be.. and to be even more correct then, type 127/8 tbh ;)
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[15:48:40] <ojii> Roobarb-Work, when starting postfix i get errors
[15:49:00] <ojii> errors: http://pastebin.com/m5ad655e6
[15:49:07] <BarryAllen> I tried argv=MYVAR=MYVALUE command, but seems wrong
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[15:49:49] <ojii> w00t Roobarb-Work telnetting works now!
[15:50:21] <ojii> thank's a lot
[15:51:08] <ojii> ah what would I do without IRC! (probably use windows a curse a lot)
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[16:08:10] <Roobarb-Work> ojii: did you fix the error you pasted?
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[16:09:13] <ojii> Roobarb-Work, nope, those are just warnings
[16:09:31] <Roobarb-Work> indeed, but warnings suggest you're doing somethign wrong
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[16:10:21] <Roobarb-Work> ojii: set "inet_protocols = ipv4"
[16:10:21] <ojii> yes but i'm happy that it works
[16:10:23] <Roobarb-Work> or better, remove that line from your config
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[16:11:28] <ojii> works now Roobarb-Work, no errrrs
[16:11:51] <Roobarb-Work> good
[16:12:46] <ojii> but another issue: why was I able to send a mail (using telnet) without authing? i turned sasl on...
[16:13:29] <Roobarb-Work> send to where?
[16:14:28] <ojii> i telnetted into the server and sent a mail from the servers domain to my own email, and i got it
[16:14:34] <ojii> never got prompted for any login or whatever
[16:14:40] <Roobarb-Work> SMTP Authentication (and TLS) is designed fo you to allow certain clients to use your server to send mail to the Internet, while not making you be an open relay.
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[16:14:53] <ojii> that's what i want
[16:14:54] <Roobarb-Work> It is NOT designed to prevent mail for domains you host from being delivered.
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[16:15:20] <Roobarb-Work> if that was the case, no-one would be able to send email to you
[16:15:23] <ojii> means? i could send it because i was connecting from localhsot?
[16:15:42] <Roobarb-Work> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[16:15:42] <ojii> no i sent one from the postfix i just set up
[16:15:43] <knoba> Roobarb-Work: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[16:16:10] <Roobarb-Work> try it from another system
[16:16:31] <Roobarb-Work> as an aside, its usual to do TLS/Auth on a different port
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[16:17:31] <ojii> lol MAIL FROM still worked but when i did RCPT TO it gave me "Relay access denied"
[16:18:17] <ojii> email is weird...
[16:19:00] <Roobarb-Work> who its from is irrelavent
[16:19:29] <Roobarb-Work> but, if you're rejecting email TO your domain, whats the point of having a mail server?
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[16:20:11] <ojii> i don't want to reject email TO my domain
[16:20:20] <ojii> but i want to limit who can send emails from my domain
[16:20:51] <ojii> i mean it should be pretty clear that I don't want everyone to be able to send emails as 'me'
[16:21:16] <Roobarb-Work> how would you stop people from doing that?
[16:21:32] <Roobarb-Work> I can put whatever I like in my mail client settings
[16:21:53] <ojii> is there no control over who can send emails as who?
[16:22:09] <Roobarb-Work> none what so ever
[16:22:30] <Roobarb-Work> since theres nothing to tie a real person to an email address
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[16:22:53] <ojii> well no but you can tie persons to domains and then use give access to that domain
[16:23:17] <jmoncayo> hi guys, what could the problem be, when i start postfix i get ok, but when i telnet to localhost port 25 it connects but doesnt get any smtp message or anything
[16:24:23] <Roobarb-Work> jmoncayo: firewall or inet_interfaces incorrectly set
[16:24:48] <jmoncayo> it is all set
[16:24:53] <jmoncayo> all i did was restart the server
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[16:25:25] <jmoncayo> no selinux enabled
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[16:25:55] <Roobarb-Work> netstat -plant | grep \:25
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[16:26:47] <jmoncayo> i get 96 entries for that
[16:26:48] <jmoncayo> :S
[16:27:20] <Roobarb-Work> most in TIME_WAIT ?
[16:27:35] <Roobarb-Work> I assume you've checked your mail logs?
[16:27:38] <_jmedina> jmoncayo: use pastebin
[16:27:58] <jmoncayo> established, closed, and syn
[16:28:30] <jmoncayo> closed_wait
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[16:29:24] <jmoncayo> http://pastebin.ca/1516737
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[16:34:00] <jmoncayo> i got it
[16:34:03] <jmoncayo> thanks a lot guys
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[16:41:26] <Roobarb-Work> jmoncayo: ?
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[16:44:02] <jmoncayo> centos upgraded my postfix package and it screwed everything up
[16:45:07] <jmedina> :)
[16:45:28] <Roobarb-Work> nice
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[16:47:31] <jmoncayo> i downloaded the source and patched it for quota, and the rpm that was upgraded screwed it
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[17:29:43] <giaco> hello, I've a running server with lots of working accounts. but there's one that's driving me crazy and I can't understand why it's not behaving like the others. In a short: postfix is not creating the user folder for that domain and is not storing any mail for that user, but other users from the same domain are able to do so. I need your help to debug
[17:31:15] <giaco> moreover if I send a mail requesting a receipt confirmation to that account, I actually receive such confirmation! This means that postfix is actually handling & thrashing erroneously the email
[17:32:46] <jmedina> giaco: what about logs?
[17:32:53] <jmedina> probably the problem is logged
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[17:35:05] <giaco> jmedina, no it's not, or probably it's hidden somewhere as I can't find any error using that username
[17:35:30] <giaco> this is the pop3 error complaining about the missing folder: Jul 30 17:52:09 venere vm-pop3d[28127]: Unable to use xxxxx.xxxxx mailbox; using /dev/null for testing
[17:36:01] <jmedina> giaco: so nothing in the logs when the user receives the mail?
[17:37:24] <giaco> nothing helpful under "cat /var/log/messages |grep <part-of-username>
[17:38:21] <jmedina> :)
[17:38:31] <jmedina> that is because postfix dont logs to messages
[17:38:34] <lunaphyte> if postfix is processing the message, then it will be logged.
[17:38:42] <jmedina> check maillog o mail.log
[17:38:47] <lunaphyte> !tell giaco logs
[17:39:03] <jmedina> or check your syslog daemon and find out the mail logs go
[17:39:17] <thumbs> !no_logs
[17:39:18] <knoba> thumbs: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
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[17:46:47] <memiux> Is possible to force AUTH LOGIN/PLAIN on submission (port 587)?
[17:47:04] <lunaphyte> sure.  good idea too, imo.
[17:49:43] <memiux> How could I do that?
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[17:51:41] <jmedina> memiux: enable sasl auth to your subbision service in master.cf
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[17:52:18] <jmedina> las time I think I just un commented some lines
[17:52:51] <lunaphyte> memiux: i use a custom restriction clas for the submission service.
[17:53:15] * pickcoder grumbles at poorly configured DNS on sending servers
[17:54:00] <lunaphyte> memiux: for reference: http://pastebin.com/d7049fda8
[17:54:53] <pickcoder> second vendor in two weeks with broken DNS complaining that our mail server is "bouncing their mail"
[17:55:33] <pickcoder> the icing on the cake is that they have SPF with a /28 but the IP connecting to us is on a totally different subnet
[17:56:04] <pickcoder>  /rant
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[17:57:34] <lunaphyte> i'll trade you your problems for mine.
[17:57:45] <seekwill> heh
[17:57:54] <pickcoder> heh.. you'll have to take them _all_.. not just the mail config
[17:58:05] <lunaphyte> perfect, sounds good.
[17:58:09] <pickcoder> O_o
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[18:09:01] <seekwill> pickcoder: Where's the newsletter?!?!?
[18:10:42] <rob0> I ate it.
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[18:13:37] <memiux> lunaphyte: "127.0.0.1:smsp: Servname not supported for ai_socktype" Do you have any idea what is going on?
[18:13:46] <lunaphyte> haha
[18:13:54] <lunaphyte> yes.  that's my special setup.
[18:14:10] <lunaphyte> smsp is homemade terminology atm.
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[18:15:05] <lunaphyte> you can either change it to the other way, or add smsp to /etc/services (and a symlink to smtpd called smsp)
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[19:04:01] <pickcoder> newsletter, nom nom nom
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[20:01:51] <aglet> I moved an MX, and now postfix has a bunch of queued messages ("delivery temporarily suspended .... Connection timed out").  How can I force a relookup of the MX, and a flush?  I've tried "postqueue -s domain.com" (domain.com is in relay_domains & therefore fast_flush_domains)
[20:02:47] <aglet> also have tried "postfix flush"
[20:02:56] <rob0> man postsuper, see -r
[20:06:35] <aglet> thank you, I missed that.  Is there an easy way to get just the queue IDs of deferred messages, postqueue output isn't helpful as input to xargs..?
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[20:08:06] <jra> how about -r ALL?
[20:08:27] <rob0> there are some hackish perl scripts laying about the 'Net
[20:10:10] <aglet> I have a hackish awk & sed command line
[20:10:23] <aglet> cheers, I think -r ALL is the way in this case :¬)
[20:12:56] <aglet> is there any form of MX cacheing that postfix does that can survive a restart of the daemons?  Dig shows the correct value, but the redeliveries are still trying the "old" IP address
[20:14:45] <aglet> (not chrooted, postfix check returns nothing)
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[20:18:29] <rob0> Postfix doesn't cache DNS.
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[20:19:26] <twobithacker> I find it beneficial to run a local cacheing DNS resolver on mail boxes in many cases.
[20:19:43] <aglet> intriguing, so I am left wondering why when I do a "dig domain.com mx" from the outbound postfix server the answer is not the same as the one I see in the "delivery temporarily suspended" message
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[20:23:22] <jmedina> hi Ruperto
[20:23:29] <Ruperto> jaja jmedina
[20:23:31] <Ruperto> hola
[20:23:46] <Ruperto> i've a question,
[20:24:00] <Ruperto> you see that postfix has content_filter option, to let content inspections such as amavisd
[20:24:08] <Ruperto> i need to do exceptions of this, how?
[20:24:31] <jmedina> Ruperto: you can bypass using classes
[20:24:36] <jmedina> and amavis policy banks
[20:25:04] <jmedina> I found this article very useful: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/bypassing.html
[20:25:22] <Ruperto> but not with content_filter,  i think
[20:25:43] <jmedina> what kind of exception?
[20:26:06] <jra> there's a FILTER option you can use in check_recipient_access
[20:26:19] <Ruperto> normal flow it is: -> postfix -> amavisd -> postfix -> final_mail
[20:26:31] <Ruperto> I need a exception to do -> postfix -> final_mailbox
[20:26:47] <aglet> sod it, I've just found the problem, the domain had a hard-coded "MX" in transport table
[20:27:22] <jmedina> Ruperto: as jra said you can use FILTER in access maps
[20:27:33] <rob0> transport_maps are WAY overused ... in a lot of stupid HOWTOs out there.
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[20:28:13] <aglet> rob0: in this case it kind of made sense, but it was a looong time ago
[20:29:07] <Ruperto> ha ok I'll look for it tnx
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[20:32:34] <Ruperto> i read about FILTER, but wehre ? do i set up a content_filter=has:/file line or where i set de FILTER,
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[20:33:39] <rob0> !access
[20:33:40] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
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[20:36:51] <Ruperto> tahnx
[20:38:44] <Ruperto> i mean line it is: smtpd_recipient_restrictions  ??
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[20:41:34] <jacobat> Any ideas for easy ways to do spam filtering for a low traffic server with a couple of virtual domains?
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[20:42:54] <tuxick> you could have a look at assp
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[20:43:09] <tuxick> i use a bunch of milters and spamassassin myself
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[20:43:48] <jacobat> assp looks interesting
[20:44:27] <defaultro> !assp
[20:44:27] <knoba> defaultro: Error: "assp" is not a valid command.
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[20:47:31] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[20:47:32] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[20:50:46] <defaultro> rob0, I just saw someone posted assp. Which route should I go with, assp, this one -> http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt or zen?
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[21:02:19] <Ruperto> is there a way to specify in ACCESS table to do not filter ? I mean need exceptions , the general rule is filter all
[21:04:20] <twobithacker> anyone ever heard of an RFC saying that all the Received headers have to be together, without any other headers between them?
[21:04:39] * twobithacker grumbles about users
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[21:16:37] <rob0> lookup-key   FILTER :
[21:17:00] <rob0> iirc ... the ":" by itself is special transport(5) syntax
[21:17:39] <rob0> or, use a DUNNO / permit action to bypass further lookups for that key
[21:18:00] <rob0> So no, there is not "a way", there are endless ways.
[21:19:30] <Dorchalann> question, if email is sent with a domain that is not listed in either virtual_alias_domains or virtual_mailbox_domains, should that recipient address be looked up in virtual_alias_maps?
[21:20:21] <rob0> !virtual_alias_maps
[21:20:21] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[21:20:49] <rob0> virtual_alias_maps applies to all, see postconf.5.html#virtual_alias_maps
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[21:21:52] <Dorchalann> yeah, I'm familiar with the documentation, I wasn't however aware that it applied to all email.
[21:22:25] <Dorchalann> thank you
[21:22:34] <Dorchalann> I've been going nuts on this one.
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[21:23:28] <Dorchalann> seems like it shouldn't be under the virtual_ set of maps if it isn't affected by the virtual_*_domains
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[21:25:42] <tribi> click here.. CHAT new Op request: >>> :: irc:mozilla.dal.net\Helpchan ::
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[21:26:18] <rob0> KB1JWQ: ^^ ban needed
[21:26:38] <rob0> Dominian: ^^ kline maybe
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[21:27:12] <rob0> ha, I can see where this is going :)
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[21:29:11] <rob0> Such a shame to see such total idiots in control of so many IP addresses.
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[21:29:48] <Dominian> that's why you can the /24 of that subnet
[21:29:53] <Dominian> that's where it appeared he was jumping through
[21:30:27] <Dominian> unfortunately, nothing I could do about it.. freenode staff isn't on the access list for this channel.
[21:30:33] <rob0> ah
[21:30:56] <Dominian> he was in a few other channels.. kline the entire network it appears
[21:31:54] <rob0> 90, 81, 83, 92 ... maybe 80/29
[21:32:12] <rob0> I mean /28
[21:32:28] <Dominian>  a /24 would cover that entire range
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[21:33:18] <rob0> haha, 190.104.8.81 has a routing loop
[21:33:33] <rob0> 190.104.8.98-97
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[21:35:50] <LinuxCode> hehe
[21:36:00] <LinuxCode> hey rob0 , attracting unwanted attention again ?
[21:36:06] <LinuxCode> ;-D
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[21:39:34] <rob0> like a magnet!
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[22:12:52] <pickcoder> how can I whitelist a HELO name, but still apply RBL for the connecting IP
[22:15:12] <pickcoder> duh.. restriction order
[22:15:50] <Dominian> heh
[22:16:34] <pickcoder> I'll have to rely on the local zen dns lookup to catch most of it
[22:16:58] <pickcoder> people still don't get the idea of a properly configured outgoing relay
[22:17:56] <lunaphyte> why would they bother since you will just compensate for them?
[22:18:02] <pickcoder> pffft
[22:18:06] <pickcoder> like I have a choice
[22:18:18] <pickcoder> I submitted my recommendations
[22:18:27] <pickcoder> hopefully they will play along
[22:19:21] <pickcoder> it's one thing to forget to put an IP on the MX name's A record. Saying HELO as an internal machine is different and not an RFC argument I can win.
[22:19:29] <lunaphyte> i guess they know that then, and only care what's easier for them.
[22:19:32] <pickcoder> which was a new thread today
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[22:20:13] <rob0> HELO whitelisting is generally not a good idea.
[22:20:30] <pickcoder> well if they take my advice and configure a relay host, then I can remove it
[22:20:30] <rob0> you could DUNNO it in the same lookup, maybe ...
[22:21:13] <pickcoder> This isn't some random two-bit customer.. it's a primary vendor - so hopefully we can work it out
[22:21:25] * pickcoder shrugs
[22:21:43] <lunaphyte> if it's a vendor, then you should certainly have the leverage.
[22:21:44] <pickcoder> I don't see the point in DUNNO in a case like this
[22:21:53] <lunaphyte> if it's a customer... oh well.
[22:22:03] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: some of them are extremely hard-headed....
[22:22:10] <lunaphyte> of course.
[22:22:12] <seekwill> rob0: Got late into this conversation, but why isn't HELO whitelisting not a good idea?
[22:22:25] <lunaphyte> seekwill: it leaves stains.
[22:22:35] <pickcoder> tidypen!
[22:22:36] <seekwill> I use Shout!
[22:23:08] <seekwill> I mean, if you can rDNS it, and it pans out, why not?
[22:23:23] <pickcoder> seekwill: that's not helpful in this case
[22:23:30] <pickcoder> internal domains don't have DNS at all
[22:23:32] <pickcoder> :/
[22:23:49] <lunaphyte> tbh, checking helo is probably not worth the effort.
[22:24:20] <KB1JWQ> rob0: Heh, just got here.  Things resolved?
[22:24:22] <seekwill> pickcoder: That can be fixed
[22:24:24] <pickcoder> no, probably not, and at this rate I'm going to have to do RBL before whitelisting anyway
[22:24:32] <Dominian> KB1JWQ: yeah.. the ass was klined
[22:24:33] <pickcoder> so it's a moot resitrction swap
[22:24:43] <Dominian> KB1JWQ: Guy hit multiple channels.. not just here ;)
[22:25:14] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, sorry I was out. :)
[22:25:28] <pickcoder> we've had no problems for years
[22:25:41] <pickcoder> then.. it seems the past week people started having problems
[22:25:53] <rob0> HELO whitelisting -- anyone could use your magic HELO, your only protection being that they probably don't know what it is (security through obscurity.)
[22:26:19] <pickcoder> rob0: agreed
[22:26:43] <seekwill> You don't check HELO?
[22:26:44] <pickcoder> still, it helps to  take a jab at poorly configured servers once in a while
[22:26:47] <pickcoder> :)
[22:27:39] <seekwill> rob0: You wouldn't verify the FCrDNS on the HELO?
[22:28:12] <pickcoder> seekwill: I've seen arguments both ways
[22:28:17] <pickcoder> it really depends on your audience
[22:28:29] <seekwill> ok
[22:28:55] <pickcoder> if you're a hot target for spam bots and the RBLs can't keep up, I'd use it
[22:28:57] <seekwill> I agree, whitelisting on HELO w/o checking FCrDNS would suck
[22:29:15] <pickcoder> we don't _have_ to check HELO
[22:29:17] <seekwill> But if I were to implement whitelisting on HELO, definitely check DNS.
[22:29:25] <pickcoder> I did it before now, because it saved on potential RBL lookups
[22:29:43] <pickcoder> now, I have to do RBL check first, before whitelisting the HELO
[22:29:53] <pickcoder> so, it's a pointless exercise
[22:30:04] <pickcoder> except for the fact that it's all local
[22:30:25] <seekwill> Well, you could do the HELO/whitelist check before the RBL.
[22:30:39] <pickcoder> and if they were a botnet that knew the HELO?
[22:30:42] <seekwill> Since that's how you'd get around the HELO
[22:30:49] <pickcoder> no RBL check
[22:30:50] <seekwill> They can't just fake a HELO
[22:31:06] <seekwill> (when you're checking FCrDNS)
[22:31:24] <pickcoder> we're on two different wavelengths here
[22:31:29] <seekwill> I think so :)
[22:31:38] <pickcoder> large corporations often use internal domains for server config
[22:31:40] * seekwill wants to surf KB1JWQ's wave
[22:31:47] <seekwill> I do know that.
[22:31:53] <pickcoder> fileserver5.domain.com may send mail
[22:31:54] <seekwill> And even then, they resolve
[22:31:56] <pickcoder> no DNS at all
[22:32:03] <seekwill> We can argue that :)
[22:32:16] <pickcoder> how do you do any DNS lookups?
[22:32:48] <pickcoder> the return-path has plenty of troubleshooting info, so using internal domains is pointless
[22:32:48] <seekwill> Ah, I see what you're saying
[22:32:56] <pickcoder> they should be using a relay host
[22:33:00] <pickcoder> with proper DNS
[22:33:04] <pickcoder> but they don't all do that
[22:33:17] <seekwill> Can you whitelist the IP then?
[22:33:32] <pickcoder> sure.. provided it's not a cluster
[22:33:37] <pickcoder> which I have no idea of
[22:33:38] <pickcoder> no DNS
[22:33:41] <pickcoder> :/
[22:33:55] <seekwill> Just whitelist my IP block. I promise not to spam. It's 0.0.0.0/0
[22:34:00] <pickcoder> heh
[22:34:23] <seekwill> I would pay a lot of money to get the last IPv4 address. That would kick ass
[22:35:45] <Dominian> seekwill: "endoftheinternet.com"
[22:35:58] <Dominian> with an A record of the last IPv4 address
[22:36:12] <seekwill> endoftheinternet.com.	3600	IN	A	66.146.2.196 ?
[22:36:21] <Dominian> hah
[22:36:27] <Dominian> damn of course its taken
[22:36:50] <seekwill> That's lame
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[22:40:00] <pickcoder> unfortunately, that's wrong when IPv6 takes hold
[22:40:10] <pickcoder> endoftheipv4internet.com
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