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[00:00:07] <puff> I think that may have been part of the whole postfix/amavis/clamav setup.
[00:00:21] <KB1JWQ> !tutorial
[00:00:21] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[00:00:25] <puff> Hm, or mailman.
[00:00:46] <rob0> !disable_dns_lookups
[00:00:47] <knoba> rob0: "disable_dns_lookups" : Disables DNS lookups by the Postfix smtp(8) client. When disabled, disable_dns_lookups=yes, postfix uses the the gethostbyname() system library call which uses nsswitch mechanisms to look up host address information. DO NOT USE THIS on a server that needs mail routing ability.
[00:00:51] <puff> Yeah, the mailman FAQ suggests it.
[00:01:03] <rob0> that's ridiculous
[00:01:23] <rob0> tell the mailman FAQ to get lost
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[00:06:35] <dartmouth> bah
[00:08:43] <rob0> okay, afk awhile
[00:08:58] <dartmouth> ok this is weird, I sent a test email, and there's no error in the log.  at all.  so, I'm assuming that I have misconfigured something to not receive external email somehow, but not seeing it in the docs. http://ciurana.eu/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=41360
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[00:09:41] <puff> Yay, that appears to haved fixed it.
[00:10:14] <puff> I think, reconstructing and guessing, that in an attempt to solve a problem with mailman queues backing up, disable_dns_lookup was set to yes.
[00:10:50] <puff> And obviously that caused problems.  I guess it is less of a problem with smaller sites that don't have separate MXes.
[00:11:12] <puff> KB1JWQ: Many thanks for your help.
[00:11:21] <KB1JWQ> puff: Hey, rob0 caught it.
[00:11:32] <puff> rob0: Many thanks for your perceptiveness :-)
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[00:12:13] <puff> I'll tellya, there are days, lately... spam has been so outrageous.
[00:12:39] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: I'm not seeing an attempt from external sources.  And stop posting that DSN; it's useless.
[00:17:05] <dartmouth> an attempt?
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[00:17:20] <dartmouth> I'm afraid I don't know what you're telling me, can you break that down?
[00:17:37] <dartmouth> you mean gmail isn't attempting to send the email?
[00:17:57] <puff> Hm.
[00:18:13] <dartmouth> !DSN
[00:18:14] <knoba> dartmouth: "DSN" : Delivery Status Notifications as described in RFC 3464, first implemented in Postfix 2.3 - See: http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html
[00:18:18] <dartmouth> ah
[00:18:20] <puff> You should be able to use netstat to see if you're listening on an external port, right?
[00:18:59] <puff> Step one, "is it plugged in", aka make sure the process is live. Step two, make sure it's listening on a port.
[00:19:09] <puff> Although come to think of it, I guess just telnet port 25 is easier.
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[00:21:44] <dartmouth> yes postfix is listening on 25, I just telnet'd in from across the country :P
[00:22:24] <dartmouth> '220 peow.gnodes.org ESMTP Postfix'
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[00:24:20] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: That's grand, but I'm not seeing anything from the outside world connecting in on your log snippets.
[00:24:31] <thumbs> !no_logs
[00:24:32] <knoba> thumbs: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[00:25:17] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: Sure you've gotten DNS working correctly? :)
[00:25:19] <thumbs> KB1JWQ: I think I got one factoid right, for once.
[00:25:20] <puff> KB1JWQ:  Maybe he should go all the way and fake an entire incomng message?
[00:25:38] <dartmouth> KB1JWQ: if I didn't, wouldn't I not be able to get through on other protocols?
[00:25:48] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: DNS FAIL!
[00:25:54] <dartmouth> hah
[00:25:57] <dartmouth> ....
[00:25:59] * dartmouth whistles
[00:26:05] <KB1JWQ> Google can't connect to your box because your MX record points elsewhere.
[00:26:24] <dartmouth> haha.  noooooo.  hehe.  *ahem*.
[00:26:50] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: srsly.  gnodes.org has mail handled by mtp.secureserver.net.
[00:26:54] <KB1JWQ> er, smtp.secureserver.net.
[00:26:56] <dartmouth> well, I'd better fix that.
[00:26:59] <KB1JWQ> I somehow doubt that's you.
[00:27:15] <thumbs> we use those guys, actually.
[00:27:16] <dartmouth> I uhm.  Well someone must have misconfigured that.
[00:29:19] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: Likely an overzealous Republican staffer.
[00:29:54] <dartmouth> Did you know I was republican or was that a lucky guess?
[00:30:00] <KB1JWQ> http://images.villagevoice.com/issues/0517/tmw-big.jpg
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[00:30:59] <stanman246> one of my mail users is complaining that some dates are wrong in their received mails, how could i debug this?
[00:31:12] <KB1JWQ> stanman246: That'd be "check the headers," Stan.
[00:31:23] <puff> Step one, make sure they're talking about headers.
[00:31:40] <puff> "Yes, I know that project completion date doesn't make you happy, but we can't fix that at the MTA level."
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[00:32:37] <puff> My favorite response when dealing with businessfolk reports of "it's broken" is "what are you seeing that makes you say that?
[00:32:53] <stanman246> i asked them to send me the problematic mails to view the headers, am awaiting the response
[00:33:07] <puff> Meanwhile, go watch "The Website Is Down"
[00:33:10] <KB1JWQ> stanman246: Time to get off your arse and go look. They won't include full headers.
[00:33:58] <KB1JWQ> stanman246: Are you greylisting at your site?
[00:34:40] <stanman246> KB1JWQ: will go to the site tomorrow
[00:35:04] <stanman246> KB1JWQ: am running ispconfig on the box
[00:35:14] <KB1JWQ> Ugh.
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[00:36:56] <thumbs> stanman246: good luck
[00:37:11] <KB1JWQ> Seriously.  "May god help you, because we won't." :)
[00:37:30] <stanman246> righto. thanks then O_o
[00:37:31] <will_> WHY R U SO MEEN?
[00:38:06] <will_> U SHUD HELP PPL
[00:38:26] <stanman246> outta here, nice channel...
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[00:38:48] <dartmouth> ah, sweet, i have received my first test email with absolutely no errors
[00:38:58] <will_> YAY
[00:39:04] * dartmouth sends another one back out, and is troubled by the slowness of gmail
[00:39:52] <dartmouth> awesomeness
[00:39:53] <dartmouth> truly
[00:41:49] <dartmouth> mmm i dont like how my machine's name is in the outgoing headers, though.  no way to make that only show a domain?  e.g. instead of 'received by peow.gnodes.org (postfix, from userid 1001)' it says 'received by gnodes.org'
[00:42:14] <dartmouth> i just dislike the amount of verbosity there
[00:42:16] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: It's bound to the IP, right?
[00:42:21] <KB1JWQ> That's how headers WORK, dude.
[00:42:34] <dartmouth> yeah but you can do all sorts of stuff with headers
[00:42:41] <dartmouth> i just am not entirely sure how lol
[00:42:57] <KB1JWQ> !header_checks
[00:42:57] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "header_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection of primary non-MIME message headers, as specified in the header_checks(5) manual page.
[00:43:06] <will_> dartmouth: Why don't you want your hostname shown?
[00:43:16] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, and it'll still show up whenever you send things outbound.
[00:43:24] <dartmouth> will_: going for that...ominous vibe
[00:43:33] <will_> dartmouth: Sounds spammy
[00:43:38] <dartmouth> no, lord no
[00:43:42] <will_> To me it does!
[00:43:49] <dartmouth> im actually concerned about how im going to limit that
[00:43:57] <will_> Limt the amount of spam you send?
[00:43:58] <dartmouth> but another day, I suppsoe
[00:44:03] <dartmouth> no, limit inbound
[00:44:13] <will_> You want to allow a certain amount of spam?
[00:44:21] <dartmouth> haha.  i didn't say that
[00:45:15] <will_> I think so...
[00:47:25] <will_> KB1JWQ: My hostname: connection.resetbypeer.com
[00:48:08] <KB1JWQ> That phone number in whois valid? :D
[00:50:12] <dartmouth> lol no it should be domainsbyproxy but mine is pretty easy to find.
[00:50:32] <dartmouth> i couldn't imagine why I'd need to spam anyone.  I can spam you guys from IRC, here in channel, like I have been.
[00:50:40] <dartmouth> LOOOL
[00:51:29] <dartmouth> okie doke.  now I need to setup some kind of webmail system.
[00:51:39] <dartmouth> i appreciate your help KB1JWQ
[00:51:56] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: Try spamming in here.
[00:51:58] <KB1JWQ> Watch what happens. :)
[00:52:44] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: Roundcube or Squirrelmail.
[00:52:53] <dartmouth> KB1JWQ: i needz halp wif mah email survur and dont have ne logs er ocnf, i dont know th' error but can you help?
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[00:53:17] <dartmouth> ok ok
[00:53:20] * dartmouth hides
[00:53:21] <KB1JWQ> :-D
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[00:53:32] <dartmouth> ...lol
[00:55:15] <will_> What a cheesy threat!
[00:55:33] <dartmouth> eh.  flashbacks from ##slackware
[00:56:31] <thumbs> dartmouth: how so?
[00:56:38] <will_> Slackware sucks anyways
[00:56:48] <thumbs> dartmouth: KB1JWQ was never an op in ##slackware
[00:56:52] <thumbs> will_: shuch
[00:56:57] <thumbs> will_: shush
[00:57:12] <dartmouth> oh, just more or less the nature of the 'im an op and youve been a dick to me' deal
[00:57:13] <will_> Thery canmt evn spel
[00:57:28] <will_> dartmouth: Don't worry about KB1JWQ
[00:57:34] <will_> He's generally harmless, unless you're a bro
[00:57:48] <thumbs> dartmouth: well come to #httpd. We ban losers that argue with us.
[00:58:00] <will_> Or #mysql!
[00:58:06] <will_> Those guys are assholes
[00:58:06] <dartmouth> thumbs: i have been in #httpd and dont find that channel to be particularly helpful to anyone.
[00:58:12] <will_> ouch
[00:58:24] <thumbs> dartmouth: are you serious?
[00:58:37] <dartmouth> thumbs: eh.  yeah.  sorry.  i've even gone in incognito and played by the rules.
[00:58:38] <thumbs> dartmouth: I have been helping folks in there for 4 years.
[00:58:55] <thumbs> dartmouth: the problem is that folks expect spoonfeeding, which we don't do.
[00:59:04] <dartmouth> that is the excuse i see more often
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[00:59:50] <thumbs> it's not an excuse.
[01:00:04] <thumbs> we won't promote lazyness.
[01:00:40] <thumbs> and I take offence to your initial statement, too.
[01:02:01] <dartmouth> to be honest, the tools have evolved a little beyond that.  the software structure is archaic now.  they could make a mail server that does all the config for you by asking some well phrased questions, and they could make an apache server that you never have to touch a config file.  i mean that's not your guys' fault, at all, it's the developers', but that particular channel is reminiscent of a 1993-ish band of kernel hackers.
[01:02:33] <dartmouth> there's just alot of ego.
[01:03:02] <thumbs> no, I don't believe a server which has the complecity of httpd can be configured automatically.
[01:03:14] <thumbs> complexity, rather
[01:03:20] <dartmouth> i just wouldn't go there if I needed to check on something real quick by people who knew it better than I did.  everything's an adventure over there.
[01:03:35] <dartmouth> which is good in some ways, bad in others.
[01:03:44] <thumbs> dartmouth: bleh. Ask a precise question, and I give you a direct link to the directive in the docs.
[01:03:52] <thumbs> dartmouth: immediately.
[01:04:02] <dartmouth> there's no magic club you get entrance to by becoming familiar with every line of the docs.
[01:04:10] <thumbs> dartmouth: if you were looking for us to tell you HOW to use the directive, that's another story.
[01:04:14] <dartmouth> oh, well that's better than I rememebr it
[01:04:42] <thumbs> dartmouth: knowing what directive to use is a great start, for any deamon.
[01:04:43] <will_> rtfm
[01:05:33] <thumbs> dartmouth: for great examples of how hand-holding is a bad idea, see #ubuntu
[01:05:43] <dartmouth> that i agree with 100%
[01:06:39] <dartmouth> thumbs: as an example, I spent weeks trying to figure out mod_log_mysql and finally went into #httpd after reading tons of docs and scowering the forums, and got met with some insufferable op there who had the audacity to eventually tell me to just read the docs, immediately after I told him my question wasn't in the docs.  I eventually found someone who'd run into the same problem, who helped me, and also noted that it wasn't in
[01:06:40] <dartmouth>  the docs.
[01:06:58] <thumbs> dartmouth: who was it?
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[01:07:02] <dartmouth> i have no idea now
[01:07:10] <dartmouth> i mean this was a while ago and i dont keep lotgs
[01:07:11] <thumbs> dartmouth: what year was it?
[01:07:14] <dartmouth> this year
[01:07:23] <thumbs> we have a lot of ops.
[01:07:26] <adaptr> dartmouth: debian's postfix post-install config bork-o-rama does just that - it asks a few (ONE) very well-phrased (and meaningless) questions, leaving you with shit all to work with
[01:07:39] <adaptr> it's useless
[01:07:43] <dartmouth> adaptr: that sucks
[01:08:18] <thumbs> dartmouth: I'd like to know who it was.
[01:08:35] <will_> dartmouth: Did his name start with a "thumbs"?
[01:08:39] <adaptr> the rest is "taken care of" debian-style (yes, Samuel L Jackson "taken care of")
[01:08:48] <KB1JWQ> For what it's worth I've kicked one person since I became an op here.
[01:08:54] <dartmouth> thumbs: i have no idea, but i'll lurk in there sometime this week and see if any of it is familiar.  it might have been this guy 'thumbs' will_  is talking about
[01:09:14] <thumbs> that would be wonderful. I'll have to ban him.
[01:09:15] <adaptr> heh, nice trolling
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[01:10:03] <thumbs> dartmouth: actually, I do recall you.
[01:10:09] <dartmouth> you should :P
[01:10:29] <thumbs> dartmouth: let's see.
[01:10:35] <dartmouth> haha. stop.
[01:11:31] <thumbs> dartmouth: aww, /lastlog dartmouth is empty
[01:11:41] * dartmouth really should get a hostmask
[01:11:54] <thumbs> dartmouth: for the record, I don't ban without a valid reason
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[01:12:18] <KB1JWQ> I kick first.
[01:12:24] <KB1JWQ> If they come back and persist, it turns into a ban.
[01:12:38] <dartmouth> usually when I'm banning someone I'm grossly abusing my ops in a channel I own.
[01:12:47] <dartmouth> just being honest.
[01:13:31] <adaptr> you "own" channels ?
[01:13:42] <adaptr> just FYI: this is not #efnet
[01:13:48] <will_> I own KB1JWQ
[01:13:58] <adaptr> and much good may it do you
[01:16:06] * KB1JWQ kicks will_ through a wall
[01:16:12] <adaptr> pwned ?
[01:16:33] <will_> adaptr: Little did he tell you, that wall was to his bedroom :(
[01:17:01] <adaptr> buttpwned ?
[01:17:12] <will_> bro yeah
[01:17:13] * adaptr doesn't want to know, no, really, not know.
[01:17:46] <KB1JWQ> portupgrade day on my FreeBSD server.
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[01:31:32] <dartmouth> KB1JWQ: thanks for the suggestion on roundcube.  this looks really nice.
[01:32:43] <adaptr> it has a nasty known exploit
[01:33:30] <dartmouth> it looks like it was patched over 3 years ago
[01:33:42] <ewook> roundcube? *_*
[01:33:54] <adaptr> still plenty of attacks using it
[01:33:58] <ewook> yes.
[01:34:08] <dartmouth> on newer versions?
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[01:34:20] <adaptr> but then, still plenty of attacks still using IIS 4.0 exploits
[01:34:27] <ewook> hehe.
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[01:41:26] <b0ef> is there some manual entry for the /etc/maildroprc file?. I don't think maildrop finds my filter rule files
[01:41:54] <b0ef> are you supposed to reference this rule file in the /etc/maildroprc file?
[01:43:25] <dartmouth> http://www.claros.org/web/showHowto.do?id=1#2  <-- this looks really nice but requires tomcat, not apache
[01:43:34] <dartmouth> err; yah.
[01:43:39] <jmedina> b0ef: run maildrop by hand and use verbose mode
[01:43:54] <jmedina> you will find how maidlrop process your maildroprc files
[01:44:20] <jmedina> I use somehitng like maildrop -V9 -d user at domain dot tld < /etc/issue :
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[01:46:24] <b0ef> hmm, damn, he left, but I'm not sure I can do this, cause I use virtual users, with users in mysql
[01:46:54] <b0ef> ..and this filter rule file lies inside another user, vmail, directory
[01:47:34] <b0ef> anyway, I'm just wondering if I'm supposed to reference this file from inside my /etc/maildroprc file
[01:47:52] <adaptr> !maildrop
[01:47:52] <knoba> adaptr: "maildrop" : a delivery agent similar to 'procmail' which also works for virtual accounts. It's part of the "courier" mail server. See: http://www.flounder.net/~mrsam/maildrop/
[01:48:01] <adaptr> i.e., not postfix
[01:48:15] <b0ef> ah, damn
[01:48:18] <b0ef> thanks
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[01:49:33] <dartmouth> wow I need that bot in my IRC channel.
[01:49:45] <dartmouth> !steal_you?
[01:49:46] <knoba> dartmouth: Error: "steal_you?" is not a valid command.
[01:50:32] <adaptr> !knoba
[01:50:33] <knoba> adaptr: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)
[01:50:41] <dartmouth> kk
[01:50:47] <adaptr> that link is broken, however
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[01:56:21] <dartmouth> oh cool roundcube is actually in the freebsd ports
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[02:14:08] <KB1JWQ> !kb1jwq
[02:14:09] <knoba> KB1JWQ: Error: "kb1jwq" is not a valid command.
[02:14:12] <KB1JWQ> That's a shame.
[02:14:19] <KB1JWQ> !tell dartmouth pony
[02:14:32] <KB1JWQ> !yespony
[02:14:32] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "yespony" : http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss46/Uncle_Tractor/pony.jpg
[02:14:43] <ewook> poor bot.
[02:15:33] <dartmouth> my god.
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[02:27:03] <Elive_user76_en> hello all
[02:27:42] <Elive_user76_en> linux nub here, need some help networking with a laptop running xp
[02:29:01] <adaptr> then you've come to the wrong channel!
[02:29:26] <Elive_user76_en> kk sorry
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[02:30:14] <mrrg> 'lo
[02:30:22] <adaptr> hi'
[02:30:47] <mrrg> is there a way to bypass mx lookups for a particular domain and send to specific ip?
[02:31:37] <mrrg> the relayhost conf looks like it's for all non-local domains
[02:31:47] <mrrg> i just want a single domain to ignore mx lookup
[02:34:34] <jmedina> mrrg: yes
[02:34:45] <jmedina> use [ip.or.name]
[02:34:59] <jmedina> it is dommented in relayhost param
[02:35:08] <jmedina> !relayhost
[02:35:09] <knoba> jmedina: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[02:35:33] <mrrg> jmedina: great thanks, looking into it
[02:36:54] <dartmouth> gyah
[02:37:02] <dartmouth> dude.
[02:37:07] <dartmouth> roundcube needs imap.
[02:37:13] <dartmouth> .....haha.
[02:37:16] <dartmouth> wtf.
[02:37:56] <seekwill> RoundCube Webmail is a browser-based multilingual IMAP client with an application-like user interface.
[02:38:08] <dartmouth> lol
[02:38:14] <seekwill> What did you expect?
[02:38:19] <dartmouth> well the login is VERY pretty.  thank you KB1JWQ :)
[02:38:53] <KB1JWQ> dartmouth: Yeah, but it's not as secure.
[02:38:56] <KB1JWQ> Your funeral though. :)
[02:39:35] <seekwill> Roundcube isn't secure?
[02:39:42] <dartmouth> im just pointing out the hilariousness of me bitching and whining my way through a postfix installation and then finding out i now need to go through the whole process with an imap server.
[02:39:58] <dartmouth> haha
[02:40:01] <dartmouth> its really funny.
[02:40:43] <dartmouth> so i guess dovecot is the way to go for that?
[02:41:08] * dartmouth is now wondering why he installed postfix....
[02:43:33] <jduggan> seekwill: its had a few bugs in its history
[02:43:49] <seekwill> jduggan: What kind?
[02:44:24] <jduggan> eh
[02:44:30] <jduggan> xss stuff
[02:44:31] <jduggan> etc
[02:44:34] <seekwill> ah
[02:45:30] <jduggan> there was a page i think text2html.php that had a bug
[02:45:52] <jduggan> we saw some perl/php bots start running on our system caused by it
[02:46:03] <seekwill> ah
[02:46:03] <jduggan> they couldnt connect out coz its all firewalled, but it was roundcube
[02:46:15] <seekwill> How fast did they fix it?
[02:46:30] <jduggan> fairly quick
[02:46:49] <jduggan> by the time we figured out it was roundcube there was a fix
[02:46:56] <seekwill> ah
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[03:06:33] <saliak> Hey, I'm trying to get the in/out going mail on my server to work, but I'm pretty confused now in a sea of MTA, MDA, postfix, sendmail, fetchmail, etc.  I'm getting lots of errors in my mail.log file (http://pastebin.com/d63baa1eb), but i have no idea where they're coming from (well, i know they're from sensible-mda), or even how to find out), I also know that all the outgoign mail that my system generates seems to be living in /var/spool/mq
[03:14:41] <KB1JWQ> saliak: It looks like you configured this blindfolded.
[03:14:51] <KB1JWQ> saliak: postconf -n to a pastebin
[03:15:33] <KB1JWQ> On top of that you're running sendmail instead of postfix.
[03:15:47] <KB1JWQ> How, exactly, did you configure this?
[03:16:04] <saliak> dude, i configured this as blind as it gets.. i really had no idea what i was doing (just kept installing things, hoping that it would work).. yes, a very bad idea
[03:16:44] <KB1JWQ> saliak: And you now expect other people to pick through it?
[03:16:47] <saliak> so, I want to install RT and get it working with email integration for creating tickets, etc.  so, i got RT installed ok, and got fetchmail setup for getting mail from gmail
[03:17:07] <KB1JWQ> Sendmail and postfix both do the same thing.  Pick ONE.
[03:17:27] <saliak> not necessarily, but if you have an idea how i can undo it that'd be appreciated.. i really don't know where to start.  ok, postfix then
[03:17:30] <KB1JWQ> A default postfix install will send mail from the box out to the rest of the internet.
[03:17:47] <KB1JWQ> If you need to send it via another box, designate that as a relayhost.
[03:18:27] <saliak> so i have a gmail box for my domain that i want to check and send from (using gmail's smtp).  i followed the instructions at http://www.marksanborn.net/linux/send-mail-postfix-through-gmails-smtp-on-a-ubuntu-lts-server/ to set that up
[03:18:41] <KB1JWQ> !tutorial
[03:18:54] <KB1JWQ> DAMMIT KNOBA!  Are you sleeping?!
[03:20:07] <saliak> ok, http://pastebin.com/d40aef8eb is my postconf -n
[03:21:08] <saliak> so next i should uninstall sendmail, yeah?
[03:21:40] <KB1JWQ> Presumably.
[03:21:51] <KB1JWQ> I don't do nubuntu, and I also don't fix other people's busted-ass tutorials.
[03:24:48] <saliak> hrm. ok.
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[03:25:55] <KB1JWQ> rob0: You get your keyboard sorted out?
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[03:41:37] <krabe> whats trivial-rewrite for and why does it need to use 50% of cpu and more?
[03:42:05] <krabe> is it so so needed so postfix needs to use it yes or yes?
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[04:01:52] <lunaphyte> krabe: man 8 trivial-rewrite - and yes, postfix needs it (unless you have a very unique configuration).
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[04:11:18] <justeco> Anyone use Mailscanner and like it?  I'm trying to find something unobtrusive to scan mail.  Something that can just tag a header and then I can drop in a spam folder with maildrop or something.
[04:12:02] <lunaphyte> !tell justeco mailscanner
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[04:15:07] <justeco> OK, I am being told "Don't you dare!", but a little explanation as to why would be cool.
[04:15:27] <lunaphyte> sure.  google can help with that no problem.
[04:15:28] <KB1JWQ> justeco: I use it.
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[04:15:40] <KB1JWQ> But yeah, ask Google why most people advise against it.
[04:18:52] <justeco> OK, well, google isn't giving me anything that looks like an explanation why I or anyone else wouldn't use Mailscanner.  Can I have a hint?
[04:19:34] <justeco> In fact I am finding mostly praise.
[04:19:48] <lunaphyte> hmm, that's surprising.
[04:20:10] <justeco> lunaphyte: perhaps you know a link of some search term I should be using?
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[04:21:40] <lunaphyte> http://www.postfix.org/addon.html - see the reference to mailscanner.
[04:22:16] <lunaphyte> http://groups.google.com/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/fb1048a90f89a463/74b222b255bcc271?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=mailscanner#74b222b255bcc271
[04:22:26] <jmedina> there is a post from wietese in the mail archives
[04:22:34] <lunaphyte> http://groups.google.com/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/c5501fec5542b1cf/03a6be806b6b4856?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=mailscanner#03a6be806b6b4856
[04:23:06] <lunaphyte> http://groups.google.com/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/62401b8ccc752e49/faf68bc9306f83c5?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=mailscanner#faf68bc9306f83c5
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[04:23:46] <lunaphyte> anyway, you get the point.
[04:25:01] <justeco> Interesting.  It is currently running at work and at the ISP next door.  I wonder if this was known when it was installed.
[04:25:14] <justeco> So, what /do/ postfix people like?
[04:25:36] <jmedina> amavisd-new
[04:25:55] <justeco> Cool, I will research that.
[04:26:22] <Dominian> maia mailguard
[04:26:45] <justeco> Interesting that all of these tools I have looked at are written in Perl.  Perl must have good mail tools.
[04:27:10] <Dominian> it does
[04:27:21] <justeco> We used maia in the past, but it was a very old version.  Perhaps overkill for my use, I really just want to drop into a spam folder.
[04:27:30] * Dominian nods
[04:27:41] <Dominian> maia mailguard is in the works of catching up to newer amavisd-new releases
[04:27:52] <Dominian> in fact they are working on USING amavisd-new rather than their own custom binary.
[04:28:28] <justeco> I liked the web interface, or rather our customers seemed to.  It wasn't obvious to them how to adjust their sensitivity, though.
[04:28:58] * Dominian nods
[04:28:58] <justeco> But again, I haven't seen any version newer than 4 years old.
[04:29:17] <Dominian> Well, to me, maia mailguadr works perfectly.. mainly because it uses IMAP to do the authentication into the web interface
[04:29:25] <Dominian> makes it nice because I only have to maintain one DB
[04:30:12] <justeco> Oh certainly.  It was a great solution for our mail domains that didn't want to pay for Postini.
[04:30:20] <Dominian> aye
[04:30:41] <justeco> And not really hard to maintain.  Although, I have still never quite figured our Spamassasin...
[04:30:55] <justeco> er figured out
[04:30:56] <Dominian> heh
[04:30:59] <Dominian> SA is a pita
[04:31:01] <Dominian> it really is
[04:31:20] <Motoko-chan> SA is a large blob.
[04:31:36] <Dominian> Yeah..
[04:31:41] <Dominian> if there were another alternative...
[04:31:47] <justeco> OK, not just me then.  I thought it was be easy to dig into and tweek.  Man was I in for it...
[04:31:58] <Dominian> justeco: well just research sa-update
[04:32:01] <justeco> er s/was/would/
[04:32:02] <Dominian> you'll be set
[04:32:03] <Dominian> hehe
[04:32:29] <mrrg> jmedina: btw, relayhost was not the solution
[04:32:44] <mrrg> jmedina: twas using transport_map
[04:33:02] <lunaphyte> i'm a big fan of maia as well.
[04:33:58] <Dominian> Like I said.. its been discussed in the maia mailing list.. they are working with amavisd-new guys to try and get some of their custom vars incorporated.. so they can start using some of the newere features
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[04:38:49] <Dominian> well after reading the maia site.. apparently.. maia is going to keep its "fork" of amavisd-new and code in the changes people wnat manually
[04:40:09] <lunaphyte> yeah, i was just wondering about your comment.  last i knew there was a bit of an impass.
[04:40:18] <Dominian> yeah
[04:40:21] <Dominian> I had to go back and re-read it
[04:40:35] <Dominian> I think now I remember the talk on the mailing list was about an upcoming release
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[05:13:18] <rob0> KB1JWQ: I got your txt, thanks. I'm back online now, as if you couldn't tell.
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[05:15:52] <KB1JWQ> rob0: No worries.
[05:16:13] <Dominian> He's lieing
[05:16:16] <Dominian> he was just ignoring you
[05:16:28] <thumbs> can I txt rob0 too?
[05:16:36] <Dominian> you jus tdid?
[05:16:48] <thumbs> no, a real txt.
[05:16:54] <thumbs> bah. Never mind.
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[05:17:23] <Dominian> lol
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[05:22:35] <rob0> thumbs: sure
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[05:23:34] <rob0> +1-800-328-7448
[05:23:40] <thumbs> hahaha
[05:23:49] <thumbs> should I try?
[05:23:55] <Dominian> Oh.. i wish you would
[05:24:01] <rob0> you know what that spells?
[05:24:07] <thumbs> see, I smell a trap.
[05:24:28] <justeco> Admiral akbar voice "It's a trap!"
[05:24:39] <Dominian> wow
[05:24:41] <rob0> "If you don't like my driving, call 800-328-7448"
[05:24:43] <Dominian> star wars reference
[05:24:56] <Dominian> haha
[05:24:57] <Dominian> eat shit
[05:25:02] <rob0> 800-e-a-t :)
[05:25:14] <thumbs> rob0: see, you almost had me.
[05:25:27] <rob0> Call it, it won't cost anything :)
[05:25:41] <rob0> it might even be funny
[05:26:07] <thumbs> given my sobriety status, it might be.
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[05:40:14] <KB1JWQ> Curios to know who answers/
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[05:49:53] <KB1JWQ> !pony
[05:49:53] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "pony" : http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg
[05:49:58] <KB1JWQ> YAY! Knoba's back!
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[06:26:30] <will_> SPAM
[06:26:53] * KB1JWQ grabs the banhammer
[06:27:09] <KB1JWQ> "I only troll in #mysql" my arse... :)
[06:29:17] <will_> oh
[06:29:20] <will_> I thought this was...
[06:29:53] <will_> But it is on topic!
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[07:06:36] <ewook> spam is never on topic :P
[07:06:51] <will_> :(
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[07:38:07] <cipherz> Hello, is there a way to have separate queues in postfix ? e.g. on a per-domain basis ?
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[07:38:09] <mcarter> hello
[07:38:59] <mcarter> Is there a way to get postfix to run a script or make a network call of some kind every time it removes an email from the queue?
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[07:41:47] <rob0> per-domain queue: not really, but Postfix 2.6 has good multiple instance support.
[07:42:39] <rob0> script or call when removing from queue, no.
[07:45:07] <mcarter> I don't suppose anyone has written anything like a real-time postfix log parser
[07:45:40] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: Take a step back. What are you attempting to do?
[07:46:01] <cipherz> rob0, ok will look into what it brings, found a thread where people used hold to prioritise mails, could use this I suppose
[07:46:49] <KB1JWQ> rob0: 2.6 changed a lot?
[07:46:50] <mcarter> KB1JWQ, For auditing purposes I need to log 4xx events and log when a message fails due to too many 4xx replies
[07:47:11] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: IT doesn't fail due to too many 4xx replies.
[07:47:15] <KB1JWQ> It fails due to hitting expiry.
[07:47:18] <KB1JWQ> Look at qshape
[07:47:37] <mcarter> well, either way I suppose, I still need to log it in a database
[07:47:46] <KB1JWQ> That's kind of a strange requirement.
[07:47:54] <will_> Not really
[07:48:10] <will_> I see a lot of PHB's wanting that
[07:48:33] <KB1JWQ> will_: Yeah, but I'm not in a mood to entertain PHB requests lately.
[07:48:44] <mcarter> What does PHB stand for?
[07:48:44] <will_> But usually only keep that data for a week or two. Otherwise it gets insanely messy to keep
[07:48:49] <will_> KB1JWQ: hehe
[07:49:07] <will_> mcarter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointy_haired_boss
[07:49:23] <KB1JWQ> will_: I guess I don't see how it's actionable.
[07:49:25] <mcarter> ah
[07:49:48] <will_> KB1JWQ: It's not really. They just want to know about why messages take so long
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[07:49:51] <will_> to deliver
[07:50:11] <will_> With that kind of information, you can escalate it easier to the receiver
[07:50:43] <rob0> KB1JWQ, I think the only major new feature was multi-instance support
[07:51:06] <mcarter> As far as I can tell, I need to keep track of these events to audit what went wrong if a customer who unsubscribed ends up getting an email, or if some server blacklists an MTA for too many 4xx retries
[07:51:31] <rob0> !notify_classes
[07:51:31] <knoba> rob0: "notify_classes" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of error classes that are reported to the postmaster. The default is to report only the most serious problems. The paranoid may wish to turn on the policy (UCE and mail relaying) and protocol error (broken mail software) reports.
[07:51:59] <rob0> parse those emails and populate your database
[07:52:54] <mcarter> aha
[07:53:17] <mcarter> Is it possible to have those emails dumped directly into a sql database by postfix for later parsing?
[07:53:17] <rob0> Why would an unsubscribed address continue to get mail? Fix the broken list management.
[07:53:41] <KB1JWQ> rob0: Amen.
[07:53:46] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: No, you get to do work. :D
[07:53:48] <will_> rob0: I've seen "4xx Address not found!" errors :(
[07:54:03] <mcarter> rob0, I agree with you there
[07:54:06] <KB1JWQ> will_: That's soft_bounce enabled.
[07:55:16] <mcarter> I'm unfortunately constricted with requirements that I didn't decide on, one of which is that I have to keep a bunch of "auditing information" for some legal reason or another
[07:55:32] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: Sounds fun.
[07:55:46] <KB1JWQ> I had to do something vaguely similar at my previous job.
[07:56:03] <KB1JWQ> IT was definitely interesting, but given that I helped define some of the requirements, it wasn't too big of a deal.
[07:58:10] <will_> mcarter: Consultants!
[07:58:16] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: So now you get to either have fun, or hire somebody. :D
[07:58:57] <mcarter> heh
[07:59:22] <mcarter> Can I somehow pipe bounces to another program, perhaps?
[08:00:03] <KB1JWQ> I'd use procmail to do it potentially.
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[08:03:44] <mcarter> in the docs I think it says that I can use a pipe as the mail transport? Could I do that on a per-address or domain basis?
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[08:05:43] <KB1JWQ> !transport_maps
[08:05:43] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[08:06:02] <mcarter> aha
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[08:08:38] <rob0> Gee, I'd just use local(8) delivery and .forward it to your program, but I'm simple.
[08:09:34] <KB1JWQ> rob0: Shh.  I was waiting for him to come back pulling his hair out and offer up a consulting contract. :D
[08:10:09] <rob0> sorry ... that was a fiendishly good plan
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[08:11:31] <mcarter> haha
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[08:17:29] * f3ew gives up on his new infrastructure people
[08:17:39] <KB1JWQ> f3ew: Dare I ask?
[08:17:41] <f3ew> The guy has been running mailservers for ~ 5 years
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[08:17:50] <KB1JWQ> So've I.
[08:17:52] <KB1JWQ> GO on. :)
[08:17:57] <f3ew> and doesn't know that if you don't have a MX record, mail will go to the A record
[08:18:03] <rob0> oh my
[08:18:19] <sysmonk> oh my!
[08:18:22] <sysmonk> horror!!!
[08:18:24] <will_> Since when?
[08:18:28] <sysmonk> f3ew: is his nick seekwill?
[08:18:36] <will_> o_O
[08:18:53] <sysmonk> i've heard that lame bastard works for barracuda and doesn't know a shit about emails!
[08:18:56] * rob0 gives up on seekwill
[08:18:58] <sysmonk> oh, no, will_ is here ;(
[08:19:14] <will_> sysmonk: Pay me or else I blacklist you!
[08:19:22] <rob0> Where there is a will_ there's a weigh.
[08:19:30] <sysmonk> will_: i've payed already this week! stop bugging me!
[08:19:50] <sysmonk> or! or! .... i'll stop your porn subscription!
[08:19:51] <will_> rob0: Are you calling me fat?
[08:19:56] <sysmonk> haha
[08:19:57] <sysmonk> ;))
[08:19:58] <will_> sysmonk: ok, ok ...
[08:20:01] <will_> calm down
[08:21:19] <mcarter> is local(8) and .forward files particularly easier than a transport_map / pipe to process all of the bounce reports with an external script/program?
[08:21:56] <will_> Ever considered a Barracuda appliance? :)
[08:22:38] <mcarter> I've seen plenty of ads for those things in the aiport in San Jose
[08:22:44] <will_> hehe
[08:22:46] <mcarter> can't say I've ever considered getting one myself though
[08:22:49] <will_> At SeaTac too
[08:22:50] <sysmonk> ever considered filtering with MS Exchange and then forwarding the mails to postfix ?
[08:22:53] <will_> mcarter: Don't!
[08:23:12] <mcarter> sysmonk, oh, thats a great idea.
[08:23:29] <sysmonk> yeah, we do that all the time, exchange brings security to postfix!
[08:23:42] <will_> sysmonk: With Norton AV for Exchange!
[08:24:02] <sysmonk> will_: woot? does it discard all non-virus mails for you?
[08:24:03] <sysmonk> ;)
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[08:26:56] <f3ew> and is in charge of a new system I designed :(
[08:27:32] <f3ew> mcarter, bounce processing?
[08:27:51] <mcarter> f3ew, yes
[08:27:56] <f3ew> Why?
[08:27:59] <f3ew> Marketing list?
[08:28:21] <f3ew> Also, you can log syslog to a named pipe and run your parsing script off the other end of that pipe
[08:28:27] <rob0> Not bounce processing, notify_classes processing.
[08:28:49] <rob0> ah, now that might be more elegant
[08:28:57] <f3ew> Mmmm, .forward files
[08:29:07] <mcarter> I assume notify_classes and bounce processing is pretty much the same problem, right?
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[08:29:24] <mcarter> f3ew, and yes, Marketing list
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[08:41:09] <sysmonk> uh noes, spammah!
[08:43:13] <mcarter> f3ew, with your aforementioned syslog solution, I'd be parsing postfix's log format rather than raw emails, right?
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[09:19:31] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: Yes.
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[09:21:22] <mcarter> KB1JWQ, thanks
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[09:29:51] <henry-nicolas> Hello everybody. I need to provide an estimation about the available MPM of a postfix server used as a relay. I need to take into account the available bandwidth and hardware capabilities, do you have any idea/procedure ?
[09:30:07] <KB1JWQ> MPM?
[09:30:26] <henry-nicolas> KB1JWQ: Message Per Minute
[09:30:33] <KB1JWQ> Sounds like spam to me. :D
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[09:33:24] <henry-nicolas> KB1JWQ: on a ISP point of view, I need to be able to told my employer that a defined server will be able to send X emails per minutes
[09:34:38] <henry-nicolas> so tha'ts not spam... we just relay emails from our customers
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[09:46:06] <KB1JWQ> It's wildly variable.
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[09:57:53] <klem> hi
[10:00:53] <will_> KB1JWQ: You think _everything_ is spammy :P
[10:02:46] <mcarter> Is there a variant of SMTP that uses compression and is supported by postfix?
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[10:03:50] <will_> mcarter: It would have to be supported by all MTA's
[10:04:05] <KB1JWQ> will_: I do.
[10:04:05] <will_> mcarter: Why? :)
[10:04:37] <mcarter> I just wanted to use it to deliver mail to MTAs on my own lan... they can ungzip the messages before it goes out
[10:05:00] <mcarter> I was seeing if I could cut down on the internal traffic
[10:05:00] <will_> Why?
[10:05:10] <will_> Usually internal traffic is the cheapest :)
[10:05:16] * will_ runs gigabit at home
[10:05:43] <mcarter> well, i don't really mean internal. In some cases part of my network is connected via the internet at large
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[10:05:56] <f3ew> henry-nicolas run your own benchmarks
[10:06:01] <f3ew> Postal is a good start
[10:06:02] <will_> mcarter: I'd compress that then
[10:06:09] <f3ew> as is smtp-source
[10:06:11] <will_> mcarter: Like a VPN?
[10:06:33] <f3ew> mcarter yes
[10:06:33] <mcarter> will_, a vpn would be the secure version of our setup
[10:06:46] <f3ew> You would be analysing logs
[10:07:07] <KB1JWQ> I'd look into WAN accellerations.
[10:07:14] <mcarter> f3ew, thanks
[10:07:15] <KB1JWQ> accelerators*
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[10:08:23] <mcarter> KB1JWQ, hmm, thats an interesting point
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[10:08:58] <mcarter> seems like most wan accelerators cost about a billion dollars
[10:09:07] <mcarter> my kingdom for gzip...
[10:09:34] <KB1JWQ> Could do something clever with netcat and gzip perhaps.
[10:10:09] <will_> Only spammers use netcat
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[10:15:54] <mcarter> KB1JWQ, interesting idea. apparently its not hard to pipe nc to gzip on both ends
[10:19:06] <KB1JWQ> mcarter: That's why I said so.
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[10:20:40] <mcarter> KB1JWQ, thank you very much
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[12:21:11] <austriker> hello i have a problem with postfix and postrgesql, it returns Jul  1 10:46:06 stock postfix/trivial-rewrite[2602]: warning: pgsql query failed: fatal error from host 127.0.0.1: ERREUR:  droit refus? pour la relation alias?
[12:21:53] <austriker> i don't really understand why ?
[12:23:16] <jduggan> austriker: i think you need to read french to understand why
[12:23:21] <jduggan> the error is in francais
[12:23:23] <jduggan> ;]
[12:24:34] <austriker> it says right unaccepted ? for alias relation ?
[12:24:46] <austriker> ^^
[12:24:48] <jduggan> je voudrais une billet simple, pour paris s'il vous plait
[12:24:56] <jduggan> thats teh extent of my french
[12:24:57] <jduggan> :D
[12:25:06] <jduggan> but uh, does your sql map work?
[12:25:21] <jduggan> !postmapq
[12:25:21] <knoba> jduggan: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
[12:25:25] <austriker> i don't know
[12:25:30] <jduggan> check above
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[12:26:34] <jduggan> postmap -q youralias at yourdomain dot com pgsql:/path/to/yourmap
[12:26:57] <austriker> i don't think i have a postmap
[12:27:21] <jduggan> you must do
[12:27:44] <austriker> is it by default when you get postfix
[12:27:45] <austriker> ?
[12:28:08] <jduggan> that entirely depends how you installed it, but for the best part, no
[12:28:34] <jduggan> if you build by source you have to explicitly enable pgsql... most package managers i believe have a seperate package for pgsql support
[12:28:40] <jduggan> how did you install?
[12:28:51] <austriker> tere is mani tutorials on the net but many are deprecated
[12:29:12] <austriker> 3 tables sql
[12:29:21] <austriker> domains alias and user
[12:29:24] <jduggan> !tutorial
[12:29:24] <knoba> jduggan: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[12:29:27] <jduggan> ^^
[12:29:52] <austriker> i know i didn't follow one i made a mix
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[12:30:08] <jduggan> !basic
[12:30:08] <knoba> jduggan: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[12:30:14] <jduggan> !mysql
[12:30:14] <knoba> jduggan: "mysql" : http://www.postfix.org/MYSQL_README.html is helpful in configuring postfix to talk to a mysql server.
[12:30:18] <jduggan> !pgsql
[12:30:18] <knoba> jduggan: "pgsql" : http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[12:30:22] <jduggan> see the second link
[12:30:29] <jduggan> and also teh basic link
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[12:32:07] <austriker> in the alias.cf and all the other one i didn't put query =
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[12:40:34] <austriker> to check if what i have changed in aliases.cf query i have to do a telnet or there is an other way ?
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[12:44:27] <Guest25125> what is conn_use=3 mean in the logs
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[12:45:27] <Flumdahl> what is the bounced function for something to postfix? i have alots of bounced emails
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[12:47:12] <ashwin_muni_> what does conn_use=3 mean in the mailog
[12:47:39] <austriker> jduggan : i tried and added a query in both aliases.cf and aliases_mailbox.cf but i have the same error. is it because i can't connect to postgresql and i havesome porbleme with pg-hba.conf
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[12:55:35] <austriker> even wth changing host to localhost still the smae problem
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[14:09:38] <tanguy2> helo does postfix use md5 or encrypt for user account with sql
[14:09:40] <tanguy2> ??
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[14:16:01] <f3ew> tanguy2 Postfix doesn't care
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[14:29:47] <tanguy2> i have a problem with authdeamon query is mess up by /var/spool/vmail/ column doesn't exist
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[14:31:33] <poofo> hi
[14:31:53] <poofo> how i can forward all mails for one domain from one mail server to second mail server ?
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[14:32:52] <tanguy2> MYSQL_HOME_FIELD        "/var/spool/vmail/"
[14:33:21] <tanguy2> i don't understanfd why is he surching for a column in the database
[14:33:25] <tanguy2> ??
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[14:34:09] <f3ew> poofo virtual_alias_maps, or relay_domains?
[14:35:39] <poofo> f3ew: ill try, thanks
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[14:38:43] <tanguy2> f3ew
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[14:41:08] <psteyn> Hi guys, is it possible to add a spamscore header to outgoing mail?  (regardless of it being spam or not)
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[14:41:50] <psteyn> would that be done in postfix confs or spamassassins confs?
[14:41:54] <psteyn> (ougoing mail)
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[14:44:44] <lunaphyte_> if it were me, neither.
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[14:49:25] <f3ew> tanguy2, it's a fixed string the query needs to return
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[14:51:46] <lunaphyte_> psteyn: it's certainly possible.  typically, you'd want to do that with amavis
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[14:54:57] <poofo> f3ew: is this correct in /etc/postfix/virtual ?
[14:55:00] <poofo> f3ew: @mydomain.com @192.168.1.1
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[14:59:57] <svanheulen> noob question: how do i make postfix only accept mail for certain users?
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[15:07:37] <tanguy2> f3ew: tank you i change " this to '
[15:07:47] <poofo> i dont get it
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[15:08:21] <poofo> i need to forward all mails for one domain from server1 to server2, how can i do that ?
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[15:13:47] <thirsteh> a quickie: how is it with RDNS, does the machine simply have to have an RDNS record, or should it EHLO the same hostname as well (+ does it have to be reachable at that host:25)?
[15:14:10] <Dominian> what?
[15:14:25] <Section1> hehe
[15:15:00] <thirsteh> if I have RDNS smtp.mydomain.com, can my Postfix have hostname mydomain.com, and does it have to be reachable at mydomain.com:25?
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[15:23:33] <jelly> it's very nice to have the forward lookup match a given reverse; not sure whether sane MTA configs check the HELO name too
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[15:29:28] <dellsk> hiiiiiiiiiiiiii :)
[15:29:31] <dellsk> help ...
[15:29:33] <dellsk> pls
[15:29:58] <dellsk> src/util/peekfd.c
[15:30:05] <dellsk> #error "don't know how to look ahead"
[15:30:10] <dellsk> it gives me that ?
[15:30:14] <dellsk> anyone ?
[15:30:20] <thirsteh> jelly: cool, thanks
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[15:30:49] <Dominian> !logs
[15:30:49] <knoba> Dominian: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[15:31:01] <Dominian> and read /topic
[15:31:08] <dellsk> any one ??
[15:31:11] <dellsk> please ?
[15:31:17] <Dominian> dellsk: read the /topic and read:
[15:31:18] <Dominian> !logs
[15:31:18] <knoba> Dominian: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[15:31:22] <Dominian> until you do that.. go away
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[15:31:39] <dellsk> ok ...
[15:31:49] <encompass> I am setting up postfix for the first time on my computer... I need to send email from my python program... but it only acts like it is sending... it never gets to the destination.  Any ideas?
[15:31:49] <dellsk> i read it ...
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[15:32:03] <galeras> Telnet login to pop3 server works fine. Fetchmail tries to connect via ssl and fail. How to force fecthmail to ignore ssl?
[15:32:28] <ralfgro_> hi! I'm a bit of an postfix/mta noob
[15:32:41] <dellsk> Telnet login to pop3 server works fine. Fetchmail tries to connect via ssl and fail. How to force fecthmail to ignore ssl? setup a fetchmail .fetcmailconf
[15:32:44] <Dominian> galeras: Fetchmail != postfix
[15:32:50] <ralfgro_> but I've a question, if the follpwing is possible;
[15:33:02] <dellsk> setup a fetchmail conf file ...
[15:33:24] <dellsk> ver you will put ... username and pass and how the protocls to use
[15:33:28] <dellsk> for retreiving
[15:33:31] <dellsk> fetchmail ...
[15:33:41] <dellsk> mail with fetchmail
[15:33:44] <Dominian> fetchmail is not postfix
[15:33:48] <dellsk> i know
[15:33:52] <Dominian> great
[15:33:52] <dellsk> but the guy asked
[15:34:08] <ralfgro_> our MTA in a local net (firewalled, with mail central gateway - not our business) should forward all external mail to the official smtp hub
[15:34:53] <galeras> dellsk: thanks, i know is not postfix, but there is no #fetchmail channel, so this seems to be a good place to ask
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[15:35:24] <ralfgro_> but should accept some addresses ( at our-own-company-domain-foobarblub dot com) for local delivery
[15:35:55] <ralfgro_> so the domain part is the same in some cases for local delivery and forwarding
[15:36:00] <ralfgro_> is this possible?
[15:36:11] <Dominian> short answer: sure
[15:36:14] <Dominian> !virtual
[15:36:14] <knoba> Dominian: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[15:36:17] <UQlev> dellsk: .fetchmailrc is config for fetchmail
[15:36:21] <poofo> i need to forward all mails for one domain from server1 to server2, how can i do that ?
[15:36:42] <ralfgro_> Dominian: !virtual  ?
[15:36:50] <Dominian> !tell ralfgro_ virtual
[15:37:00] <Dominian> or
[15:37:03] <Dominian> !relay
[15:37:03] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[15:37:06] <Dominian> !relay_domains
[15:37:06] <knoba> Dominian: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
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[15:37:39] <Dominian> might as well read:
[15:37:40] <Dominian> !basic
[15:37:40] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[15:37:46] <Dominian> !standard
[15:37:46] <knoba> Dominian: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[15:38:02] <poofo> how about some example of forwarding mails from server1 to server2 ? :)
[15:38:13] <Dominian> poofo: How about you read the documentation provided?
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[15:38:22] <Dominian> Everything is in those documents I just showed you
[15:38:27] <poofo> but i dont have browser here.........
[15:38:27] <ralfgro_> Dominian: thanks, I'll have a look at the links!
[15:38:35] <Dominian> ralfgro_: sweet
[15:38:52] <Dominian> ralfgro_: If you read through them and still have questions... make sure to form concise questions with details on what exactly you want.
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[15:39:12] <poofo> i formed good question ;)
[15:39:33] <svanheulen> hello, is there a way to reject local account recipients unless the connection is from the localhost?
[15:39:41] <poofo> ok in /etc/postfix/virtual: @domain.com @192.168.1.1
[15:39:44] <poofo> is this correct ?
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[15:40:56] <poofo> !address_classes
[15:40:56] <knoba> poofo: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[15:41:14] <poofo> crap ;[
[15:42:24] <svanheulen> poofo: thanks!
[15:42:27] <tanguy2> hello i hav a problem with postfix i can send emails on ly on local host to the server, with thunderbird i receive them but when i wend a email to postmaster at domain dot com i never recieved it
[15:42:28] <poofo> i'm too stupid to understand this ;/
[15:42:39] <poofo> wow i helped someone and i didnt even realized that
[15:42:41] <poofo> ;D
[15:42:44] <poofo> svanheulen: np ;D
[15:42:54] <svanheulen> haha, nice
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[15:43:33] <Seelview> who is responsibile to put mail in the right location Postfix or Dovecot ?
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[15:44:22] <tanguy2> is there a modification to allow extren connection to postfix ?
[15:44:43] <tanguy2> and i can't send email by smtp.domain.com
[15:44:51] <svanheulen> Seelview: I think Dovecot
[15:45:36] <Dominian> Seelview: need to know more information
[15:45:40] <svanheulen> tanguy: you need to set mynetworks correctly in main.cf
[15:45:55] <svanheulen> *tanguy2
[15:46:48] <tanguy2> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 213.251.164.28, hash:/var/lib/pop-before-smtp/hosts
[15:47:39] <tanguy2> it looks good i think
[15:47:45] <tanguy2> ??
[15:48:06] <Section1> how to if recive  a mail to test at domain dot com in the mx sends to to other postfix ? but if i recive others mail stays in the mx ? any tips doc ?
[15:48:26] <svanheulen> tanguy2: i think you need to set a subnet, not a address
[15:48:33] <Seelview> Dominian: I configured Postfix with Dovecot-Mysql and Dovecot doesn't put the mail in the location I give it I set mail_location = maildir:/usr/local/virtual/%d/%n and the mail is in /usr/local/virtual !
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[15:49:36] <svanheulen> tanguy2: also make sure inet_interfaces = all
[15:49:55] <tanguy2> svanheulen: what do you mean by subnet? smtp.domian.com
[15:50:38] <Seelview> svanheulen: You've got an answer for me ?
[15:50:52] <ralfgro_> Dominian: would virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual_alias_map in main.cf
[15:50:56] <tanguy2> inet_intrfaces is set to all
[15:51:08] <svanheulen> tanguy2: like 213.251.164.0/24... maybe, not sure
[15:51:09] <ralfgro_> and myuser at @our-own-company-domain-foobarblub dot com    localuser in /etc/postfix/virtual_alias_map be enough?
[15:51:50] <ralfgro_> to accept mail to myuser at our-own-company-domain-foobarblub dot com  and forward the rest to th default smtp relay?
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[15:52:17] <svanheulen> Seelview: sorry, i don't use dovecot, i just remember reading someplace that it takes mail from postfix and puts it in the correct mailbox
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[15:52:46] <Seelview> aha
[15:53:21] <Seelview> So Dovecot doesn't do his job ! isn't nice couse I can't read mail trought webmail or imap hehe
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[15:57:07] <svanheulen> Ok, so I have my Postfix server relaying to my Exchange server and I have Likewise-open so all my domain accounts are on the Postfix box too... is there a way to validate recipients with those accounts?
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[15:58:38] <dellsk> if yut can login to that box
[15:58:42] <fumblnoob> Seelview: what is the home_mailbox directive set to in main.cf?
[15:58:44] <dellsk> svanheulen
[15:58:51] <dellsk> if yut can login to that box svanheulen
[15:58:55] <dellsk> via ssh
[15:59:09] <dellsk> postfix should do authent on
[15:59:16] <dellsk> that box ...
[15:59:30] <dellsk> if the box itself is a partf of domain ... :)
[15:59:35] <dellsk> i tried it ...
[15:59:41] <dellsk> with Zimbra
[15:59:50] <svanheulen> dellsk: i can logon as domain users in the form 'localdomain\username' but i need postfix to validate 'username@internetdomain'
[16:00:12] <ralfgro_> Dominian: ok, tested it and it seems to work with these 2 lines. perfect, thanks!
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[16:00:36] <Seelview> fumblnoob I don't set it
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[16:02:09] <Seelview> fumblnoob: I set virtual_mailbox_base = /usr/local/virtual
[16:02:28] <fumblnoob> not the same
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[16:03:54] <fumblnoob> Seelview: dovecot tries to find the mailboxes automatically unless it's mail_location directive is set
[16:04:18] <svanheulen> dellsk: is there a way to automatically take the username part from all the accounts starting with 'localdomain\' and map those to 'username@internetdomain' in the relay_recipient_maps?
[16:04:19] <fumblnoob> where is your mail being stored for each user?
[16:04:50] <Seelview> fumblnoob: Can I PM ?
[16:04:56] <fumblnoob> yes
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[16:12:38] <tanguy2> no it didn't cahnge anything with adding a subnet to mynetwork i still can't recieve outside emails
[16:13:12] <tanguy2> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 213.251.164.28/25, hash:/var/lib/pop-before-smtp/hosts
[16:14:56] <svanheulen> tanguy2: did you try using a telnet client to connect from outside and see what messages you get?
[16:16:34] <tanguy2> yes and connexcion abort error 10060
[16:16:50] <tanguy2> that is wierd
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[16:17:47] <tanguy2> i don't even have firewall on my server
[16:18:12] <svanheulen> tanguy2: does telnet from the same machine work?
[16:18:16] <J_nx> Hi all, i'm having a problem with check_sender_access. When i use postmap from the commandline i get a good result. But when mail is incoming it seems that its not used or something.
[16:18:40] <tanguy2> telnet on localhost works perfectly sending and recieving email
[16:18:49] <tanguy2> but not on my computer
[16:18:51] <J_nx> config is here: http://pastebin.com/d379d4d26
[16:20:10] <svanheulen> tanguy2: and your computer is in the 213.251.164.28/25 subnet?
[16:20:19] <tanguy2> no
[16:20:47] <tanguy2>  213.251.164.29 25
[16:20:50] <tanguy2> for sending
[16:23:12] <svanheulen> yeah, then you're mynetworks is still wrong
[16:23:35] <svanheulen> you have to list the subnets that are allowed to connect to that box
[16:23:57] <dellsk> no ... you don't
[16:24:00] <tanguy2> no be cause i dind't put the real adress
[16:24:09] <dellsk> you just add the IP of single machine ...
[16:24:13] <tanguy2> that makes many possiblility
[16:24:17] <Section1> !catchall
[16:24:18] <knoba> Section1: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.
[16:24:34] <tanguy2> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 213.251.164.29/25, hash:/var/lib/pop-before-smtp/hosts
[16:24:51] <lunaphyte_> pop before smtp?  ick.
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[16:26:19] <tanguy2> fot pop before smpt i don't really known what it is for i have seen on a how to
[16:26:26] <tanguy2> maybe it is useless
[16:27:01] <Section1> !luser_relay
[16:27:03] <knoba> Section1: "luser_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional catch-all destination for unknown local(8) recipients. By default, mail for unknown recipients in domains that match $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces is returned as undeliverable.
[16:27:05] <svanheulen> tanguy2: yeah, try what dellsk said, just add the ip of the machine you're trying to connect from to the mynetworks
[16:27:24] <tanguy2> ok
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[16:30:49] <fzzzt> Anyone know off-hand if this is proper SPF record syntax "v=spf1 ip4:209.150.235.220/30 ip4:209.150.240.128/27 ip4:209.150.239.32/28 ip4:64.179.82.138 a ?all"
[16:30:58] <fzzzt> their site doesnt seem to be workin
[16:31:15] <tanguy2> i tried andthe telnet can't open he connexion and smtp.domain.com don't work and from an other email doesn't work either
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[16:32:32] <fzzzt> seems like the spf patch/plugin doesnt recognize my /30 :/
[16:32:35] <fzzzt> hm
[16:33:09] <fzzzt> postfix-policyd-spf-1.0.1
[16:33:23] <rtcg-tx> What is the proper way to handle invalid hostnames in the HELO/EHLO?   Does RFC2821 Section 6.3 make the case for requiring senders use valid hostnames in thier HELO?
[16:33:39] <svanheulen> tanguy2: hmmm, i have no clue then :/ sorry...
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[16:35:11] <tanguy2> ok i will see later a lost to much time on it
[16:36:15] <rtcg-tx> hmm.. "5.2.5 HELO Command: RFC-821 Section 3.5" says I can't reject mail based on a failed HELO verification.
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[16:39:41] <Klebel> can I do a postsuper -d *
[16:40:09] <Klebel> to delete all queued mail?
[16:40:27] <Klebel> removing everything in /var/spool/mail didin't do it
[16:40:30] <jmedina> use ALL
[16:40:34] <jmedina> it is in manpage
[16:41:23] <jmedina> postsuper -d ALL
[16:41:35] <Klebel> thanks jmedina
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[16:46:11] <jelly> rtcg-tx: rfc821 is superseded by ... rfc5321 is the latest I think
[16:46:52] <rtcg-tx> reading.....
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[16:59:52] <Hans_the_german> has anyone configure BATV on postfix?
[17:00:06] <Hans_the_german> how well does it work for backscatter ?
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[17:06:15] <seekwill> Interesting idea
[17:07:11] <Hans_the_german> ?
[17:07:25] <Dominian> BATV?
[17:07:27] <Dominian> never heard of it
[17:07:41] <Hans_the_german> o
[17:08:05] <seekwill> Google!
[17:08:13] <Dominian> bah
[17:08:34] <Hans_the_german> it signs each message with a tag, if a NDR it send to you with out the tag it is rejected
[17:09:06] <Hans_the_german> to put it sort...
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[17:09:22] <seekwill> Well, it rewrites the envelope sender, kinda like making it a verp
[17:10:00] <Dominian> yah
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[17:39:39] <rtcg-tx> well, I didn't see anything about rejecting mail based on invalid HELO in rfc5321.  Where does one go to see the list of SMTP related RFCs with the intent of understanding which ones supersede others?
[17:40:43] <Dominian> You talking about helo_checks or something?
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[17:41:07] <Dominian> or helo_access
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[17:41:42] <seekwill> rtcg-tx: What does the RFC say about HELO/EHLO's in general?
[17:42:45] <rtcg-tx> Well, 2821 talks mostly about how HELO must continued to be supported for old clients that don't EHLO.
[17:43:22] <seekwill> I mean, does it say you must use your hostname?
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[17:44:04] <svanheulen> hello again
[17:44:12] <rtcg-tx> "The argument clause contains the fully-qualified domain name of the SMTP client," is what it says.
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[17:44:28] <rtcg-tx> but nothing about rejecting or not rejecting based on the failure of the client to provide a valid FQDN.
[17:44:37] <Dominian> er
[17:44:43] <Dominian> you can control that in main.cf
[17:45:01] <Dominian> !smtpd_helo_required
[17:45:01] <knoba> Dominian: "smtpd_helo_required" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Require that a remote SMTP client introduces itself at the beginning of an SMTP session with the HELO or EHLO command.
[17:45:15] <Dominian> !reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname
[17:45:15] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname" is not a valid command.
[17:45:18] <Dominian> bah
[17:45:21] <seekwill> rtcg-tx: No, but look at from the opposite side. Does the RFC say you "must" use a fqdn in your helo?
[17:45:23] <Dominian> reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname
[17:45:45] <rtcg-tx> Yes.. I can control it...but am I correct in enforcing it?
[17:45:56] <svanheulen> how do i restrict local recipients to the localhost but not restrict relay recipients?
[17:46:35] <rtcg-tx> seekwill, The RFC does say that a FQDN is required...but nothing about if the fqdn must be resolvable. (or by definition must a fqdn be resolvable?)
[17:46:55] <seekwill> Good question!
[17:47:17] <rtcg-tx> I am really sick of all the Microsoft .local exchange servers out there.
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[17:47:31] <rtcg-tx> "I can install mailservers!  I can point and click!"
[17:47:34] <Dominian> I just told you how to fix it...
[17:47:39] <Dominian> smtpd_helo_required
[17:47:45] <Dominian> reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname
[17:47:53] <seekwill> Dominian: He's asking whether or not if he should or not
[17:48:03] <Dominian> ohhh
[17:48:06] <Dominian> Well it depends..
[17:48:12] <Dominian> if you get legitimate email from those hosts.. then no
[17:48:13] <Dominian> :)
[17:48:17] <seekwill> heh
[17:48:23] <Dominian> However, you can work around that
[17:48:31] <sysmonk> legitimate emails? from exchange? naaaaaah!
[17:48:33] <Dominian> smtpd_recipient_restrictions.. require the fqdn in helo
[17:48:38] <rtcg-tx> Basically, Dominian, I'm asking whether I have the moral high ground to call and roast an idiot for being stupid and ignorant and lazy.
[17:48:43] <Dominian> then you can do a check_helo_access list or what not
[17:48:59] <Dominian> rtcg-tx: well.. all email servers should HELO as their fqdn or host name
[17:49:00] <Dominian> period
[17:49:06] <Dominian> most that do not are spammers imho
[17:49:12] <seekwill> host name?
[17:49:48] <Dominian> seekwill: Talking about the HELO/EHLO right?
[17:49:49] <rtcg-tx> Microsoft exchange server tend to use their internal domain name in HELO/EHLO (somestupiddomain.local)
[17:50:01] <seekwill> yeah
[17:50:02] <rtcg-tx> wtf!  .local ??
[17:50:25] <seekwill> Reject them all!
[17:50:41] <Hans_the_german> does VERP help for backscatter?
[17:50:46] <Dominian> Jul  1 11:24:29 cyberslack postfix/smtpd[20136]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[77.30.41.105]: 554 5.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [77.30.41.105]; from=<stevenx at storm dot ca> to=<application at fredemmott dot co.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<77.30.41.105.dynamic.saudi.net.sa>
[17:50:56] <Dominian> that's an example of what you see with reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname
[17:51:07] <seekwill> Hans_the_german: Do you know what verp is?
[17:52:10] <Hans_the_german> well not to sure but a read it can stop it
[17:52:37] <rtcg-tx> Interestingly enough...in this case today.. the sender's email address is also set to stupiduser at host dot somestupiddomain.local
[17:53:11] <Dominian> rtcg-tx: then that is a badly configured exchange server
[17:53:15] <Dominian> rtcg-tx: reject it :)
[17:53:30] <seekwill> heh
[17:53:42] <Dominian> Then tell the admin he's a moron
[17:53:48] <Hans_the_german> lol
[17:53:56] <rtcg-tx> ok, Dominian,  man 5'ing postconf..   hmm. "Reject the request when the HELO or EHLO hostname is not in fully-qualified domain form, as required by the RFC. "  Which RFC?
[17:54:07] <Dominian> good question
[17:54:20] <Dominian> looking
[17:54:37] <rtcg-tx> Also, why is that helo above not a valid FQDN ?  it appears to be..
[17:54:37] <Hans_the_german> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2505.txt
[17:54:53] <Hans_the_german> its not
[17:55:02] <Hans_the_german> ip.hostname
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[17:55:13] <Dominian> rtcg-tx: its not.. in the fact it doesn't resolve back to anything
[17:55:22] <Dominian> actually that is a bad example.
[17:55:29] <Dominian> it rejected it because the IP doesn't have an A record
[17:55:31] <Dominian> lol oops
[17:55:33] <rtcg-tx> well the FORMAT is FQDN.
[17:55:48] <Hans_the_german> no
[17:55:53] <Dominian> RFC 2821
[17:55:58] <Hans_the_german> is no
[17:56:03] <Dominian> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt
[17:56:06] <Hans_the_german> not
[17:56:10] <Hans_the_german> o sorry
[17:56:14] <Dominian> I'm reading the rfc right now
[17:56:21] <seekwill> 2821 is out dated!
[17:56:32] <Dominian> huh?
[17:56:42] <Dominian> 2505 is older than 2821.. isnt it..
[17:56:43] <Hans_the_german> also thats a dynamic block  list aswell
[17:56:43] * Dominian looks
[17:57:04] <Dominian> 2821 is the rfc..
[17:57:09] <Hans_the_german> reject that nosense
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[17:58:11] <rtcg-tx> :)  I think we are all in agreement that HELO should be valid..but what RFC do I shove under the nose of other admins when requiring them to comply if they want their mail to be delivered to my server?
[17:58:18] <deftunix> hi all, i've tested to set receive_override_options= no_address_mappings
[17:58:45] <deftunix> in after queue content_filtering configuration but, virtual alias doesn't work.
[17:58:55] <deftunix> i've only a clean up service
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[17:59:46] <Hans_the_german> what other class restrictions do you have?
[17:59:48] <seekwill> Dominian:
[17:59:49] <seekwill> Request for Comments: 5321                                  October 2008
[17:59:49] <seekwill> Obsoletes: 2821
[18:00:11] <jeev> someone massage my legs.
[18:00:23] <seekwill> jeev: KB1JWQ can do that
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[18:01:02] <jeev> seems like a gay referral
[18:01:31] <seekwill> He's a bro
[18:01:50] <jeev> but gay
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[18:03:30] <seekwill> you have a problem with that?
[18:03:42] * Dominian slaps seekwill
[18:04:07] <seekwill> oh stop it
[18:04:16] <Dominian> seekwill: where'd you see that at anyway?
[18:04:26] <Dominian> ahh nevermind found it
[18:04:28] <seekwill> see what?
[18:04:37] <Dominian> the rfc
[18:04:45] <seekwill> in the rfc
[18:04:48] <Dominian> yah yah
[18:04:50] <Dominian> shaddup
[18:05:09] <seekwill> i wrote that rfc just so you'd be wrong
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[18:07:58] <Dominian> figures
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[18:14:31] <rtcg-tx> lol@seekwell!   So..is there a master list that shows the master RFC list for the SMTP protocol?  My google keywords of (smtp protocol RFC master list) are returning too many hits.
[18:18:50] <f3ew> 5321
[18:18:59] <f3ew> SMTP RFC
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[18:22:55] <Dominian> hrm..
[18:22:56] <Dominian> http://dnsbl.invaluement.com/
[18:22:59] <Dominian> anyone use them?
[18:23:22] <twobithacker> huh, I didn't realize 2821 had been replaced
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[18:23:37] <caotic> Hi, have to servers mail.server, site.server does site.server needs postfix to send a mail using an account in mail.server ?
[18:25:42] <UQlev> caotic: it depends on whether mail.server require authentication or consider site.server as relayclient
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[18:26:08] <Dominian> damn its a pay-for service
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[18:27:19] <caotic> UQlev: mm well, cant really tell  but I do have a pop3 (user/password) at that server, would that mean that the mail.server requiers authentication, or you mean authentication in another SO layer ?
[18:27:41] <caotic> by "that server" I ment mail.server
[18:28:17] <UQlev> I mean smtp-auth on a mail.server for whom site.server is client
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[18:30:46] <caotic> Then I guess that mail.server has authentication
[18:31:19] <UQlev> I guess so
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[18:32:41] <twobithacker> huh, doesn't look like 5321 addresses the question of what do you do with a message when the other server says 554 on connect
[18:33:04] <Dominian> 554 is a perm failure
[18:33:12] <Dominian> the server will more than likely drop the message and not try to redeliver
[18:33:16] <rob0> 554 on connect is a violation of the protocol
[18:33:24] <caotic> UQlev: So going back to my first question, would that make my site.server a rely client ? Would that mean that my mail.server done trougth postfix ? I am reading docs, but cant tell yet if I need postfix at all
[18:33:40] <twobithacker> a 554
[18:33:40] <twobithacker>    response MAY be given in the initial connection opening message
[18:33:41] <twobithacker>    instead of the 220
[18:33:46] <twobithacker> ick, messy paste
[18:33:54] <twobithacker> rob0: it's valid under 2821 and 5321
[18:34:03] <Dominian> 2821 isn't a valid rfc anymore
[18:34:07] <Dominian> so don't pay attention to it
[18:34:16] <Dominian> where is it valid in 5321?
[18:34:24] <twobithacker> section 3.1
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[18:35:02] <UQlev> caotic: if you have php-staff that can send to remote server directly with authenticaton then you don'n need postfix on your site.server
[18:35:07] <twobithacker> also, 4.3.2 under CONNECTION ESTABLISHMENT
[18:36:19] <twobithacker> the problem I've seen with it is some large ISPs use 554 on connect as an anti-spam measure
[18:36:46] * twobithacker runs a mail forwarding service, customers get annoyed when their mail get dropped on the floor
[18:36:47] <seekwill>  <Dominian> 2821 isn't a valid rfc anymore <-- lol
[18:36:58] <twobithacker> they also don't like the answer of "your ISP told us to"
[18:37:28] <UQlev> caotic: otherwise you need local submission MTA on site.server working on a smart-host (mail.server)
[18:38:30] <seekwill> twobithacker: Generally, that could be bad IP reputation
[18:38:51] <seekwill> Maybe their logic is "if you spam us, we don't care if we violate rfc"
[18:39:14] <caotic> then I guess I do need posfix
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[18:39:59] <UQlev> seekwill: their logic can be even "if someone from your quorter offend us.."
[18:40:18] <seekwill> sure!
[18:40:24] <seekwill> We'll block your entire network!
[18:40:32] <UQlev> :)
[18:40:47] <twobithacker> I get the impression that 554 on connect was intended to be used to indicate that a mail server was no longer active, and could not accept mail at all, so you should stop trying
[18:41:10] <seekwill> twobithacker: What did the message say?
[18:42:01] <twobithacker> I don't recall, I haven't seen one in months. I was just remarking on 5321 not spelling out exactly what it means, just like 2821 failed to do.
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[18:42:24] <seekwill> twobithacker: heh
[18:42:47] <seekwill> twobithacker: Read the message, call up postmaster@
[18:43:05] <seekwill> Going to the RFC is a lower priority
[18:43:30] <seekwill> twobithacker: URL to your service?
[18:43:36] <twobithacker> There was a discussion on exim-users a while back as to whether 554 on connect should be treated as a regular 554, or if it should be handled like a connection refused, causing a requeue or retry on another MX
[18:44:06] <seekwill> Retrying on a 5xx can make your IP reputation worse
[18:44:10] <twobithacker> http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/
[18:44:20] <seekwill> Oh, you're the dyndns guy :)
[18:44:26] <seekwill> I've used that before! :)
[18:44:30] <twobithacker> on a regular 554, I agree. 554-on-connect is a special case, imo
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[18:46:32] <seekwill> Checking the actual message would be the start. But I'd strongly advise getting in touch with postmaster@ and seeing what it takes to get whitelisted
[18:48:50] <twobithacker> That's what we've done in the past.
[18:49:00] <seekwill> That's why it's not happening anymore? :)
[18:49:25] <twobithacker> It's particularly fun try to explain a fowarding service to some ISPs. The only understand mail senders and receivers. The concept of another server in the middle confuses them.
[18:49:36] <seekwill> hehe
[18:50:07] <twobithacker> "Stop sending us spam!" "We're not originating the message, your customer pays us to forward their mail to their account with you." "Stop sending us spam!"
[18:50:51] <seekwill> I can see that
[18:51:37] <twobithacker> surprisingly, AOL is the best of the bunch, they have actual guidelines in place for forwarding services
[18:53:10] <fzzzt> stupid smtp!
[18:57:03] <rob0> Doesn't surprise me. It takes clueful administration to make a service designed for clueless users work.
[19:00:16] <rob0> As for 554 on connect, talk to Wietse. If it should be treated as a valid SMTP response, Postfix shouldn't keep those queued, and keep retrying.
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[19:09:41] <seekwill> What's Wietse's nick here?
[19:09:56] * seekwill wonders if it's thumbs
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[19:10:30] <thumbs> what?
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[19:18:49] <seekwill> thumbs: Are you Wietse?
[19:19:24] <thumbs> no.
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[19:21:26] <Dominian> I don't think Wietse comes on irc..
[19:21:51] <seekwill> We should invite him
[19:21:59] <thumbs> who is Wietse?
[19:22:07] <Dominian> ya know what the funny thing is...
[19:22:18] <Dominian> a user 'waldi' registered this channel over 7 years ago...
[19:22:21] <Dominian> and he's a debian dev
[19:23:13] <adaptr> Bastian Blank is his name
[19:23:21] <seekwill> And he's online now, but not in this channel...
[19:23:25] <adaptr> I'm guessing it's not a pseudonym
[19:26:28] <Dominian> Well, just curious if #postfix is truly the official postfix irc channel
[19:28:05] <seekwill> I don't see a link on postfix.org
[19:31:26] <Dominian> aye
[19:32:33] <fzzzt> It should be, otherwise it would be ##postfix
[19:33:02] <adaptr> fzzzt: that merely means that no-one's complained in 7 years
[19:34:57] <KB1JWQ> !father
[19:34:57] <knoba> KB1JWQ: "father" : Dr. Wietse Zweitze Venema, father of postfix. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wietse_Venema
[19:35:47] <Dominian> KB1JWQ: Well, this goes beyond that... wanted to see if this was officially endorsed.. dunno what tipped me off to look, but now from what I can tell #postfix is in violation of freenode policy lol
[19:36:01] <KB1JWQ> Dominian: Which policy?
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[19:38:35] <seekwill> Dominian: Eh... it's only if they care
[19:39:17] <Dominian> KB1JWQ: anything "not" officially endorsed by the projects they support is ##
[19:39:20] <Dominian> and not #
[19:44:39] <twobithacker> oh well, we better shut this channel down and move to one that most people probably won't think to join
[19:44:47] <adaptr> #qmail
[19:44:54] <adaptr> let's squat
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[19:59:50] <austriker> helo i am triyng to install postix using postgresql, authdaemon, courier-pop, pop-before-smtp, and spamassassin. on telnet localhost everithing works sendig and recieving emails but
[20:00:11] <austriker> connecting from outside of the server by telnet doesn't work
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[20:00:46] <twobithacker> connection refused? or times out?
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[20:00:49] <austriker> but with thunderbird i can riecive email that i have created
[20:01:23] <austriker> translated from french its impossible to open connection
[20:01:34] <Masterx> Hi guys, are any of you guys good at postfix configuration? I have a loop, but i don't know where to find it... :(
[20:01:44] <adaptr> sorry, no we all suck
[20:01:50] <twobithacker> sounds like postfix either isn't listening on the right IP, or you've got a firewall issue
[20:01:52] <adaptr> we just today learned that we're totally unofficial
[20:02:02] <adaptr> so.. just go away, let us sulk
[20:02:39] <austriker> i don't have a firewall on my servr yet
[20:02:54] <adaptr> Masterx: we have cheep monkeys for hire that can bang on your terminal until you start receiving mail
[20:03:12] <Masterx> adaptr: NICE! :D
[20:03:26] <Masterx> But now sure that would help much in the end :-/
[20:03:32] <austriker> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8, 213.251.164.29/25, 86.217.42.6, hash:/var/lib/pop-before-smtp/hosts i even put my on adress ip
[20:03:53] <adaptr> !loopback
[20:03:54] <knoba> adaptr: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[20:03:59] <adaptr> Masterx: go. ^^^
[20:04:38] <twobithacker> austriker: what about your inet_interfaces?
[20:04:52] <austriker> inet_interfaces = all
[20:04:57] <Masterx> What does this mean?: warning: do not list domain siramail.net in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
[20:05:00] <twobithacker> hmm
[20:05:24] <twobithacker> Masterx: it means you shouldn't list siramail.net in both mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains
[20:06:36] <Masterx> Hehe.. i a noob to postfix.. but i couldn't see it was listed both places...
[20:07:21] <seekwill> pop-before-smtp?
[20:07:23] <austriker> twobithacker: i looked in logs i have no warn no error
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[20:08:24] <austriker> for pop-before-smtp sorry but its comes from a how to i don't know if its useful
[20:09:02] <Masterx> twobithacker: can the mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains be the reason why the mails are looping?
[20:09:29] <rob0> Perhaps you'd do better if you read the /topic ... guesses are useless.
[20:11:32] <austriker> yeah
[20:11:47] <austriker> but i don't think its really the problem
[20:13:09] <austriker> it does this pop-before smtp
[20:13:11] <austriker> For Courier-POP3 and Courier-IMAP:
[20:13:12] <austriker> $pat = '^[LOGTIME] (?:\[|\S+ )(?:pop3|imap|couriertcp)(?:d|d-ssl|login)\]?: ' .
[20:13:12] <austriker>     'LOGIN, user=\S+, ip=\[[:f]*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)\]';
[20:13:12] <austriker> $out_pat = '^[LOGTIME] (?:\[|\S+ )(?:pop3|imap|couriertcp)(?:d|d-ssl|login)\]?: ' .
[20:13:12] <austriker>     '(?:LOGOUT|DISCONNECTED), user=\S+, ip=\[[:f]*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)\]';
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[20:13:54] <seekwill> lol
[20:14:50] <rob0> !pop_before_smtp
[20:14:50] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pop_before_smtp" is not a valid command.
[20:15:04] <Masterx> Anyone that knows ISPconfig?
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[20:15:54] <scan2010> hello all of you
[20:16:20] <scan2010> i can send emails out to outside emails but i can't get any emails on any users
[20:16:41] <Masterx> scan: i have the same problem
[20:16:57] <Masterx> scan: please let me know if you find a solution
[20:17:34] <seekwill> scan2010: From the outside, can people access your port 25?
[20:17:40] <seekwill> What's your IP address?
[20:18:02] <austriker> seekwill: server
[20:18:12] <austriker> 213.251.164.29
[20:18:33] <seekwill> austriker: Connection closed by foreign host.
[20:18:45] <seekwill> Check your logs. Probably say something about it there
[20:19:04] <seekwill> If your logs don't have anything, it could be the ISP blocking you
[20:19:11] <rob0> !no_logs
[20:19:11] <knoba> rob0: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[20:19:39] <seekwill> Or could be that!
[20:20:07] <thumbs> !no_will
[20:20:07] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "no_will" is not a valid command.
[20:20:20] <seekwill> woohoo!
[20:20:20] <rob0> Intestate.
[20:20:23] <seekwill> I'M HERE
[20:20:47] <Masterx> Why is my postfix looping my mails? Emails are going into my server, but won't be delivered to the mailbox they are intended...
[20:20:53] <rob0> Where there's a will, there's a probate.
[20:22:27] <adaptr> Masterx: I presume your mail system has no logs either
[20:22:44] <austriker> seekwill: Jul  1 20:10:52 stock postfix/smtpd[28474]: connect from pool-71-112-193-148.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net[71.112.193.148]
[20:22:44] <austriker> Jul  1 20:10:52 stock postfix/smtpd[28474]: fatal: non-null host address bits in "213.251.164.29/25", perhaps you should use "213.251.164.0/25" instead
[20:22:53] <rob0> And there is no /topic in this channel.
[20:23:09] <Masterx> adaptr: i think it have...
[20:23:25] <adaptr> austriker: you have IP fail. fix that before fixing postfix
[20:23:41] <rob0> Perhaps you should use 213.251.164.0/25 where you put 213.251.164.29/25 .
[20:24:10] <rob0> and on that pearl of wisdom, I bid you all adieu. bbl
[20:24:18] <adaptr> nite
[20:24:29] <Masterx> adaptr: what do you need from the log?
[20:24:32] <seekwill> hehe
[20:24:53] <adaptr> Masterx: me ? nothing whatsoever. but wait - maybe... just maybe.. reading it will give YOU a clue ?
[20:25:04] <austriker> seekwill: i did 213.251.164.29/25", perhaps you should use "213.251.164.0/25
[20:25:11] <seekwill> austriker: Nice!
[20:25:22] <seekwill> austriker: That's a message for you, not me
[20:25:30] <austriker> does it works ^^
[20:25:42] <Masterx> adaptr: it doesn't :/
[20:26:08] <adaptr> Masterx: and you did not think it germane to offer this insight ?
[20:27:08] <Masterx> adaptr: germane?
[20:28:44] <adaptr> relevant, to the point, of any use in the current situation
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[20:30:02] <Masterx> adaptr: yeah its relevant.. but im new to postfix... so i don't get the different meanings
[20:30:21] <austriker> seekwill: can you try it again please when i do it ther isn't any log
[20:30:28] <adaptr> Masterx: do you know what a channel topic is ?
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[20:30:40] <Masterx> adaptr: Do this mean something: do not list domain siramail.net in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains... Where can i check what defined there?
[20:30:54] <seekwill> austriker: 220 ks32918.kimsufi.com ESMTP (Debian/GNU)
[20:31:06] <adaptr> Masterx: by...reading and understanding how you configured postfix ?
[20:31:15] <adaptr> 220 ?
[20:32:16] <seekwill> banner!
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[20:33:15] <austriker> seekwill: so know you can connect on it
[20:33:20] <austriker> sweet
[20:33:22] <seekwill> austriker: Yep!
[20:33:38] <seekwill> austriker: Next time, check your logs! :)
[20:33:38] <adaptr> ah, I thought the first response would be 250 as well
[20:35:02] <seekwill> Why is Gmail still in beta?
[20:35:02] <austriker> seekwill: yeah but whan i use telnet on windows it doesn't work
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[20:35:16] <seekwill> What does "doesn't work" mean?
[20:35:33] <austriker> connection to the server port 25
[20:35:43] <austriker> impossible to connect and ther is no log
[20:36:00] <adaptr> seekwill: so they aren't responsible for losing your mail, obviously
[20:36:07] <seekwill> Maybe the network Windows is on doesn't allow port 25
[20:36:11] <seekwill> adaptr: hehe
[20:36:11] <adaptr> I expect al lfuture Windows versions to remain in beta in perpetuity
[20:36:23] <adaptr> it's a wonder they haven't already
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[20:37:04] <KB1JWQ> There are a few Windows software products that forbid outbound 25 from a non-registered program, but that's another direction that isn't #postfix related.
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[20:38:14] <austriker> seekwill know you can connect from the outside but it still doesn't recieve emails
[20:38:25] <seekwill> austriker: What's your email address?
[20:38:40] <adaptr> seekwill: you don't need one, surely
[20:38:44] <austriker> seekwill: postmaster at kantasims dot com
[20:38:54] <adaptr> if he doesn't deliver postmaster, he's in violation anyhow
[20:39:10] <seekwill> heh
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[20:39:53] <austriker> Jul  1 20:29:15 stock postfix/anvil[29072]: statistics: max connection rate 1/60s for (smtp:71.112.193.148) at Jul  1 20:23:16
[20:39:54] <austriker> Jul  1 20:29:15 stock postfix/anvil[29072]: statistics: max connection count 1 for (smtp:71.112.193.148) at Jul  1 20:23:16
[20:39:54] <austriker> Jul  1 20:29:15 stock postfix/anvil[29072]: statistics: max cache size 1 at Jul  1 20:23:16
[20:40:06] <seekwill> 0CB6C297FC
[20:40:10] <Dominian> those are stats
[20:40:25] <adaptr> yeah, uber fail there
[20:40:35] <seekwill> grep for 0CB6C297FC
[20:40:55] <adaptr> seekwill: you have faith in that ?
[20:41:04] * adaptr applauds
[20:41:04] <seekwill> sure!
[20:41:44] <austriker> ok sorry
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[20:42:50] <austriker> Sujet:
[20:42:51] <austriker> IRC
[20:42:51] <austriker> De:
[20:42:51] <austriker> MAILER-DAEMON
[20:42:51] <austriker> Date:
[20:42:51] <austriker> Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:32:02 +0200 (CEST)
[20:42:53] <austriker> Pour ::
[20:42:55] <austriker> undisclosed-recipients:;
[20:42:57] <austriker> Hi
[20:43:06] <KB1JWQ> austriker: Don't paste in here.
[20:43:10] <seekwill> You don' really need to paste that
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[20:43:34] <Dominian> !paste
[20:43:35] <knoba> Dominian: "paste" : A way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://pastebin.ca/ or http://pastebin.com/ or http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[20:44:54] <austriker> ok ^^ will do it on paste
[20:44:57] <austriker> bin
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[20:45:43] <austriker> did you send it by telnet ?
[20:46:34] <scan2010> for myhost name do i have to have something like smtp.host.com?
[20:46:36] <Masterx> Weeeeeeeee i found the solution... :D
[20:46:44] <Masterx> adaptr: i own
[20:46:49] <Masterx> upsie
[20:46:59] <Masterx> adaptr: i ow you... thanks
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[20:49:39] <austriker> seekwill: how di you send it ? please
[20:49:53] <seekwill> telnet?
[20:50:06] <adaptr> austriker: he sent you mail to that address. period, really
[20:50:15] <seekwill> Just look for that message id
[20:51:19] <adaptr> or ECB31297FC
[20:51:24] <adaptr> which would be me
[20:51:47] <adaptr> just FYI, no EHLO restrictions, no sender restrictions WHATSOEVER
[20:51:56] <seekwill> hehe
[20:52:01] <seekwill> One step at a time!
[20:52:08] <seekwill> Is he an open relay?
[20:52:31] <adaptr> let's see
[20:52:51] <adaptr> sadly, no
[20:52:59] <seekwill> darn!
[20:53:05] <seekwill> I have all this spam I need to send out too
[20:53:08] <adaptr> we could all get rich on spam tonight!
[20:54:06] <austriker> yeah maybe
[20:54:10] <adaptr> ..everybody wang chung tonite!"
[20:54:25] <austriker> but here was a spam header
[20:54:42] <adaptr> there was ? really ? oh noes!
[20:54:54] * adaptr has no idea where this is going
[20:55:48] <austriker> adaptr: i can't even make it work properly how could start restricting
[20:56:26] <seekwill> heh
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[20:58:14] <austriker> i pointed smtp.kantasims.com on the server and pop3.kantasims.com
[20:58:23] <austriker> but smtp auth doesn't work
[20:59:54] <austriker> pop3 works fine
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[21:01:48] <austriker> i use thunder to try smtp but ther isn't any logs in mail.log
[21:04:37] * adaptr claps to see if thunder will come
[21:06:47] <austriker> seekwill: do i have to put smtp.domain.com on mynetwork
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[21:07:34] <adaptr> ...over to you
[21:08:49] <austriker> adaptr: how did you do to link postfix and smtp.domain.com ??
[21:09:10] <adaptr> austriker: I don't know what you mean
[21:09:14] <adaptr> !basic
[21:09:14] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[21:17:15] <austriker> adaptr: could you take a look to my main.cf and say if its look quite good ?
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[21:19:32] <austriker> adaptr: http://pastebin.ca/1481108
[21:19:42] <adaptr> austriker: not particularly, no
[21:19:42] <austriker> adaptr: please
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[21:35:15] <austriker> using postfix for multiple domain is it Configuring Postfix as primary or backup MX host for a remote site
[21:35:16] <austriker> ??
[21:35:54] <adaptr> it is unrelated to that
[21:35:57] <adaptr> !mx
[21:35:58] <knoba> adaptr: "mx" : Mail eXchanger : See the !mxrecord channel factoid if you're looking for definition of MX record
[21:36:02] <adaptr> !mxrecord
[21:36:02] <knoba> adaptr: "mxrecord" : a DNS resource record specifying a host name that Internet mail for a recipients' domain is to be routed to. The host name assigned to the MX record must have a corresponding A record, not a CNAME and the MX record host name must not be expressed as an IP address literal. A domain can have multiple exchangers with multiple MX records having varying levels of priority.
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[21:37:38] <austriker> do you need both imap and pop3 ???
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[21:38:53] <benedikt> Is it possible for postfix to run without listening on port 25 (or any other port). And where can i change that? Doenst seem to be listening, or possibly only listening on 127.0.0.1
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[21:39:41] <austriker> adaptr: do you have a !imap to explain me please?
[21:40:47] <adaptr> !imap
[21:40:47] <knoba> adaptr: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[21:41:02] <adaptr> benedikt: it is possible, see
[21:41:07] <adaptr> !inet_interfaces
[21:41:07] <knoba> adaptr: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[21:41:55] <austriker> adaptr: do you need both or just one ?
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[21:42:13] <benedikt> adaptr: thanks!
[21:42:35] <adaptr> austriker: sigh... how do you know if you "need" anything ? please read up on some basic mail server functionality
[21:42:39] <benedikt> can i set it to a ip address or hostname?
[21:44:26] <shasta> how about reading the mighty docs?
[21:44:29] <shasta> like, man 5 postconf
[21:44:35] <shasta> or even http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces
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[21:46:13] <shasta> you'd be done by now
[21:46:27] <benedikt> I am.
[21:46:52] <benedikt> But in the 20 secods it took me to look it up, 70 more emails were qued.
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[21:54:38] <austriker> is it good postfixadmin ?
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[21:58:29] <austriker> adaptr: what is your opinion on postfixadmin
[21:59:39] <lunaphyte_> you should not try to use postfixadmin as a front end to postfix.  you should think of postfixadmin as a product that does what it describes, and happens to use postfix behind the scenes.
[21:59:49] <darkfaith> I have a postfix setup w/ mailscanner - I also have a server where I am using a PHP Script to use my box as a relay to send mail out to clients, if i use the script to send email to any of the domains I accept email for on the postfix server - the emails come thru, any other domains i try to send to get a 5.7.1 relay access denied, any ideas?
[22:00:12] <adaptr> austriker: don't like it very much
[22:00:19] <lunaphyte_> have you been scolded yet regarding mailscanner?
[22:00:42] <darkfaith> whaddya mean ?
[22:00:57] <darkfaith> ohh you mean instead of sendmail ?
[22:01:58] <adaptr> yes! sendmail is superior to mailscanner in every way!
[22:02:51] <darkfaith> they recommend sendmail for mailscanner, but it seems to run fine for me in a chroot w/ postfix, they say updates might break it, but that hasnt been the case thus far
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[22:11:28] <Hans_the_german> is reject_unverified_sender dangerous to use
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[22:23:09] <drwn> I received a message with: Recipient address rejected
[22:23:14] <drwn> what's problem ?
[22:23:23] <darkfaith> check your relay_recipients table
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[22:26:50] <drwn> this is into main.cf
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[22:28:22] <drwn> where is relay_recipients table ?
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[22:28:56] <darkfaith> etc/postfix/
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[22:29:51] <drwn> yes but I'd have put all domains
[22:30:20] <darkfaith> you'd have to use all addresses you are accepting mail for, if you arent already doing this, its a different issue then ?
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[22:34:03] <Section1> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[22:34:03] <knoba> Section1: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[22:37:31] <darkfaith> i permit_sasl_authenticated, but still cant relay to domains outside the ones I am accepting mail for, when I am authenticated
[22:39:23] <drwn> I can't send mail to domain like as hotmail.com
[22:40:30] <darkfaith> I can, from within my network , I can't when I am outside and try to authenticate in and relay from another IP
[22:43:18] <Dominian> !logs
[22:43:18] <knoba> Dominian: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[22:47:28] <darkfaith> i fixed it
[22:47:37] <darkfaith> i didnt know the order of smtp_recipient_restrictions mattered
[22:47:38] <darkfaith> heh
[22:49:45] <darkfaith> thaNKS
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[23:28:56] <austriker> Where can i get a clean main.cf is there a main.sample.cf on the server ?
[23:31:45] <seekwill> touch main.cf
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[23:33:11] <pingouin> austriker: on my debian i got : /usr/share/postfix/ main.cf.dist  and main.cf.debian
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[23:34:45] <austriker> pingouin: thak you
[23:36:00] <austriker> seekwill: thank you but i wanted some bsic stuff in it
[23:36:13] <seekwill> :)
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[23:46:31] <seekwill> austriker: The only time I'd use a sample config like that is if it came with the package I installed Postfix from. Sometimes they change default locations, so it's good to know those things. Otherwise, I rather have in my config only things that I understand.
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[23:55:28] <austriker> seekwill: yeah i know thats why i used the small one the main.cf.debian
[23:56:07] <austriker> seekwill: is it normal that there is no smtp.cof in /etc/postfix/sasl folder
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[23:57:14] <austriker> sorry /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf

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