[00:00:30] <hotzenplotz> i have some domains a.de, b.de with name at a dot de + name at b dot de. name at a dot de is in my virtual_mailbox_maps. and works. b.de is not in virtual_mailbox_domains nor in virtual_mailbox_maps. can i refer name at b dot de to name at a dot de in virtual_alias_maps without any other conf? or do i need to set this domain + email adress in domains and maps?
[00:02:10] <hotzenplotz> sounds confused :)
[00:03:43] <hotzenplotz> !virtual_alias_maps
[00:03:43] <knoba> hotzenplotz: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
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[00:05:01] <hotzenplotz> ok. rtfm :) n8
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[01:09:06] <selim> I've checked a lot of stuff now but am still not able to get my smtp-auth working with cyrus-sasl
[01:09:16] <selim> this is my config: http://rafb.net/p/67djxY48.html
[01:09:28] <selim> and this my log output: http://rafb.net/p/T42Hpp83.html
[01:09:34] <selim> any help would be great
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[01:16:13] <rob0> Dec 30 01:01:29 pornme1 postfix/smtpd[21785]: warning: e181082236.adsl.alicedsl.de[85.181.82.236]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: no mechanism available
[01:16:31] <rob0> Incidentally, that would have been in non-verbose logs too.
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[01:18:05] <rob0> I don't know, looks like the Cyrus SASL isn't set up right.
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[01:20:16] <rob0> at least the verbose logs show all the attempts, but it seems you have problems with CRAM-MD5, PLAIN and LOGIN all.
[01:29:39] <selim> rob0: I've done the smtpd.conf
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[01:31:34] <selim> rob0: thank you somehow my file got lost
[01:31:51] <selim> rob0: I've copied it an it works now
[01:35:53] <selim> rob0: thank you for that help
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[01:57:04] <hparker> nice hostname
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[02:29:41] <adnc> hello, hotmail has opened a 48 hours of temporary mitigation time for there filters to learn the sending behaviour of my domain. does someone know what they really do in this period? since i already had this once more. within this gap mails are correctly delivered, but after a time it delivers the mails into junk-folder again
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[02:31:17] <hparker> Ask hotmail... Last I heard everything they used was too sekrit to tell the world
[02:32:42] <adnc> hparker: what does sekrit mean?
[02:32:59] <hparker> secret spelled funny
[02:33:14] <adnc> ohh
[02:33:56] <adnc> i asked since this somehow doesnt work. hey had done this gain and opened such a gap
[02:34:15] <adnc> strange
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[02:35:38] <hparker> I personally have never jumped through the hoops at hotmail, no one has complained yet
[02:36:16] <adnc> jumping through the hoops
[02:36:45] <adnc> all your mails then are delivered correctly to hotmail inboxes
[02:37:07] <hparker> I don't know anyone that uses hotmail
[02:37:24] <hparker> But none of my customers have said anything
[02:38:18] <adnc> then you are lucky.
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[02:41:37] <hparker> Maybe... Might be they know my feelings about hotmail... It fails for even forwarding jokes
[02:42:24] <hparker> you can't trust business type email to a provider that lets mail just disappear with no error to either end
[02:43:09] <sahil> hparker: really?! :)
[02:43:40] <hparker> heh
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[02:49:17] <sahil> adnc: the best you can do, if you wish, is to jump through the requisite hoops and if it still fails, just let your users know mail to hotmail is unreliable because *their* servers suck.  they will tell their friends who will then kill their hotmail accounts in unison and move elsewhere.  oh, wait, that's utopia.  at least you can try.
[02:50:27] <hparker> :P
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[02:50:45] <Stagelefttech>  HEY ALL!  Hope everyone is having a good evening.   i am trying to set up a LAMP server with mail support.  i have gone through the steps to install Postfix with smtp-auth and tls but it doesnt seem to be working...can someone help me
[02:51:05] <rob0> LAMP
[02:51:34] <hparker> Yeah, yaknow... Linux, apache, mysql, postfix
[02:51:39] <Stagelefttech> are you asking what it is
[02:51:47] <Stagelefttech> actually linux apache mysql php
[02:52:00] <sahil> lol
[02:52:10] <rob0> no, I just think it's a silly name, that's all
[02:52:16] <Stagelefttech> ok
[02:52:23] <rob0> read /topic
[02:52:28] <sahil> Stagelefttech: we can't help you, you haven't provided enough information.  read the topic and try again.
[02:53:06] <Stagelefttech> ok..give me a min
[02:53:55] <sahil> take all the time you need.
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[02:54:23] <Stagelefttech> http://www.pastebin.ca/1296073
[02:54:33] <Stagelefttech> what logs do you need?
[02:56:56] <sahil> perhaps some showing the error(s) that lead you to believe 'it doesnt seem to be working'.
[02:57:21] <Stagelefttech> i tried a php mail() and it didnt mail anything to me
[02:58:19] <adnc> sahil: you obviously do not have any problems with hotmail
[02:58:20] <sahil> that is NOT a log.  show a log entry that proves something connected to postfix and what postfix said in error.  if that does not happen, then something else (outside of postfix) is screwing up.
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[02:58:44] <Stagelefttech> where is the postfix log....im sorry im new to this
[02:58:47] <sahil> adnc: i do, and i was being more than a little facetious in my message to you trying to add some levity to the discussion.  relax yourself.
[02:59:03] <sahil> Stagelefttech: less /var/log/maillog -- that's my guess, without knowing anything else about your system.
[02:59:43] <adnc> sahil: everything is fine... apart of hotmail delivery ;)
[02:59:57] <adnc> sahil: no problem.
[02:59:59] <hparker> Hotmail sux, move along please
[03:00:05] <sahil> it sux0rs, indeed.
[03:00:18] <sahil> yahoo's right up there on the not l337 at all list.
[03:00:20] <adnc> hotmail is awfull
[03:00:31] <sahil> it's like they're run by microsoft...
[03:00:40] <rob0> !yahoo
[03:00:41] <knoba> rob0: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through.
[03:00:44] <adnc> and yahoo doesnt believe his own mechanizm called domainkeys
[03:00:47] <rob0> !hotmail
[03:00:47] <knoba> rob0: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.
[03:01:06] <adnc> sender id is for the ars...
[03:01:17] <hparker> !hotmail_sux
[03:01:18] <knoba> hparker: Error: "hotmail_sux" is not a valid command.
[03:01:20] <adnc> spf records are all ignored by hotmail
[03:01:30] <adnc> btw hotmail ignores everything
[03:01:45] <rob0> well, setting up SenderID might possibly improve your chances there, hard to say.
[03:02:00] <adnc> rob0: yes, but what do you do if it is set up?
[03:02:01] <sahil> we are whitelisted at yahoo, still no such luck from hotmail
[03:02:17] <adnc> sahil: on yahoo this can change very fast
[03:02:30] <Stagelefttech> http://www.pastebin.ca/1296075
[03:02:40] <Stagelefttech> that is the postfix -n and log
[03:02:42] <adnc> and your recipients will notice it when there mail are delivered to spam
[03:02:43] <sahil> adnc: don't jinx me dude!
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[03:02:54] <adnc> sahil: jinx?
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[03:03:00] <Stagelefttech> sorry...postconf -n and log
[03:03:07] <sahil> adnc: you know?  a hex!
[03:03:14] <adnc> yes
[03:03:14] <adnc> ahh
[03:03:17] <adnc> i understand
[03:03:31] <adnc> sahil: dont worry yahoo wont make us of woodooo
[03:03:35] <hparker> Stagelefttech: Looks like dovecot died to me
[03:03:37] <rob0> I think hotmail enjoys the fact that they don't play nicely with standards ... fits in with MS' overall strategy.
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[03:04:03] <Stagelefttech> so is that a problem with the postfix where someone here can help
[03:05:05] <rob0> Stagelefttech, lines 54-55, 59-60, 65, 69
[03:06:15] <Stagelefttech> are you saying it is a sendmail issue
[03:06:32] <rob0> Those all indicate one problem, you need to learn your OS better and disable sendmail if you want to use Postfix.
[03:06:34] <sahil> Stagelefttech: dude, read the freaking log.  dovecot KILLED itself.
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[03:07:00] <Stagelefttech> hey....im freakin new....i just started with linux..give me a break
[03:07:01] <sahil> and wtf is sendmail doing all up in our bizzz... this is #postfix, homie.
[03:07:11] <rob0> Okay, you may take a break.
[03:07:18] <sahil> ll
[03:07:19] <sahil> lol
[03:07:23] <hparker> ugh, missed the lines rob0 pointed out :P
[03:07:39] <rob0> Mail is hard for experienced admins, see /topic
[03:07:52] <sahil> Stagelefttech: sorry, tough crowd today.  my sarcasm is not well received tonight.
[03:08:13] <Stagelefttech> i got yours
[03:08:24] <sahil> wait, i need to know my unix basics to run a mail server?  ... DAMNIT
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[03:09:36] <Stagelefttech> ok....i know this is #postfix but sendmail is turned off in php.ini
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[03:09:52] <hparker> :P
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[03:10:17] <sahil> Stagelefttech: you need to disable sendmail, rid yourself of it entirely.  adopt postfix as your system's MTA.  explaining how to do that is OS dependant and out of the scope of #postfix.
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[03:14:30] <Stagelefttech> is it #sendmail for irc channel
[03:15:55] <rob0> "OS dependant" ... Sendmail is a MTA like Postfix, it is not an OS. An OS would be like FreeBSD, Ubuntu, or Emacs.
[03:16:26] <Stagelefttech> no i am asking for the support channel for sendmail to find out how to get rid of it
[03:16:38] * rob0 sighs
[03:16:45] <scientes> how do i troubleshoot authentication?
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[03:24:31] <sahil> Stagelefttech: why are you trying to run an MTA?
[03:25:28] <hparker> So he can email his LAMP and turn it on :P
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[03:28:56] <Stagelefttech> I didnt know i was running MTA
[03:28:58] <Stagelefttech> what is MTA
[03:29:26] <Jacolyte> mail transfer agent
[03:29:32] <Jacolyte> >_>
[03:29:41] <sahil> Stagelefttech: you have to be KIDDING me.  GOOD LORD.
[03:30:20] <Stagelefttech> look  to set up my server i followed this site http://www.howtoforge.com/fedora-8-server-lamp-email-dns-ftp-ispconfig
[03:32:21] <shasta> !tutorial
[03:32:22] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[03:32:24] <shasta> Stagelefttech, ^^^^^^^^^
[03:32:37] <sahil> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ indeed
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[03:34:51] <scientes> how do i troubleshoot authentication?
[03:35:24] <scientes> i cant log in via smtp tls or etc
[03:35:38] <shasta> !debug_peer_list
[03:35:38] <knoba> shasta: "debug_peer_list" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional list of SMTP client or server patterns that cause the verbose logging level to increase by the amount specified in $debug_peer_level.
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[03:36:49] <scientes> evolution also crashes evey time i change the settings in evolution that point to the server, could it be the self-signed certs?
[03:37:20] <shasta> MUA crash is hardly related to postfix, you won't find much support for that in here
[03:37:51] <hparker> Self signed certs never crashed evo for me
[03:38:04] <hparker> Bitched, I accepted, life was good
[03:40:35] <sahil> i just got the signatures bitches
[03:40:42] <sahil> got that autograph and now no one complains. :)
[03:40:51] <sahil> got root (certs)?! :)
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[03:44:09] <Stagelefttech> ok...its working now sorta....i am getting this now in my log   http://www.pastebin.ca/1296105   i looked at the answer and just wondered if anyone can suggest anything
[03:44:49] <Jacolyte> is it a good idea to leave $relay_domains the default $mydestination? is there any case when it's a good idea to leave $relay_domains blank, and not forward mail from strangers?
[03:46:22] <rob0> Jacolyte, the relay_domains was for backward compatibility, and you should always unset it unless you want to use relay_domains.
[03:46:29] <rob0> !relay_domains
[03:46:30] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
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[03:46:43] <rob0> (the relay_domains *default value*)
[03:47:14] <Jacolyte> so unsetting it will have no effect on whether you receive your mail or not, as long as $mydestination is set correctly
[03:47:26] <hparker> Stagelefttech: Fix your DNS and rDNS to match your domain
[03:48:31] <Stagelefttech> hparker: my domain of the server is otautahi.mymonkeyserver.com but the ip address is registered to time warner road runner...is that what i need to put
[03:49:12] <hparker> No, you need to get business class service where you can change the DNS/rDNS or use your ISPs MTA to relay mail
[03:49:46] <Stagelefttech> ok
[03:49:54] <hparker> Running a MTA on residential service is guaranteed fail
[03:50:01] <sahil> ga-ruhn-teeeed
[03:50:06] <hparker> It may work some places
[03:50:24] <hparker> Won't work sending to my servers :P
[03:50:26] <sahil> you won't get through my filters.  anything that looks remotely like residential or dynamic gets the gun clap.
[03:50:31] <sahil> ha, ditto.
[03:50:33] <Stagelefttech> ya...it used to when we had adelphia....then we got time warner
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[04:10:35] <brandonvalentine> hi, i've got a postfix server running spamass-milter to filter incoming email and i'd like to disable that for authenticated smtp users.  right now the milter is just defined with a simple "smtpd_milters =" statement in main.cf.  any pointers on where to look?
[04:10:56] <psypointer> ach sysdef auch hier
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[04:15:11] <rob0> Easiest thing to do is to keep your AUTHing users on submission, get 'em off 25.
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[04:15:37] <rob0> then you can use whatever specific smtpd(8) settings as -o options in master.cf.
[04:18:47] <brandonvalentine> rob0: thanks, i'd prefer that too and am planning it, but by migrating the users to a better configured mail server, for now i'm just trying to patch up something i inherited and hoping to figure out a way to do it without requiring a client reconfig for the users (since i'm about to make them do that anyway when i migrate them away from this thing)
[04:20:01] <brandonvalentine> i was hoping there might be some way to reference the milter in the smtpd_recipient_restrictions or similiar
[04:21:13] <rob0> How big of a problem is it, is it really worth the effort? Suppose one of your users has an AUTH-enabled virus, you could become a spam spewer.
[04:21:45] <rob0> anyway, I can't help much with milters. I've used content_filter, but not milters.
[04:21:46] <scientes> how can i turn on mega debug mode
[04:21:52] <rob0> !verbose
[04:21:53] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[04:22:11] <rob0> scientes, RARE cases
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[04:23:11] <scientes> im trying to debug sasld where should i put it
[04:23:28] <rob0> So bandix, I thought you were a sendmail guru, when did you move to Postfixland?
[04:23:36] <scientes> can i just do global there is no traffic on this server
[04:23:46] <brandonvalentine> haha
[04:24:01] <rob0> Most SASL problems are in how SASL itself is set up.
[04:24:15] <rob0> Bet you don't remember me, do you?
[04:24:23] <scientes> actually the problem is that it cant find the program
[04:24:30] <brandonvalentine> #computers, EFnet?
[04:24:35] <Dominian> !sasl
[04:24:35] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[04:24:42] <scientes> i need to know where its looking
[04:24:49] <rob0> nope, NLUG about 7-8 years ago
[04:25:03] <brandonvalentine> oh, this is rob h is it?
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[04:25:10] <brandonvalentine> s/is/isn't/
[04:25:13] <scientes> all i want is pam
[04:25:15] <Dominian> !rob0
[04:25:16] <knoba> Dominian: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[04:25:51] <rob0> I'm a Postfixture.
[04:26:13] <rob0> Postfixer-upper.
[04:26:24] <Dominian> hehe
[04:26:55] <rob0> brandonvalentine is in part responsible for that, because he wouldn't spoon-feed me sendmail.cf answers on NLUG :)
[04:27:06] <brandonvalentine> haha
[04:27:10] <rob0> BTW, thanks for that, dude.
[04:27:22] <scientes> whats this: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: another step is needed in authentication
[04:27:51] <rob0> um ... wrong protocol maybe? How are you trying to AUTH?
[04:29:11] <scientes> auth plain then base 64 encoded user/pass
[04:29:11] <brandonvalentine> i'm not sure whether that's a genuine thanks or not rob0, but nlug used to be a wild place
[04:29:17] <brandonvalentine> for the most part, we've all settled down
[04:29:32] <scientes> tried both inside tls and in the open
[04:30:01] <scientes> then when i try going from evolution my logs show  warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory
[04:30:11] <scientes> which obviouly is a critical problem
[04:30:11] <rob0> BV, genuine, I learned stuff inside and out because I had to do it on my own.
[04:30:45] <rob0> scientes read SASL_README ?
[04:31:14] <Dominian> I'll do it again:
[04:31:16] <Dominian> !sasl
[04:31:16] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[04:33:37] <scientes> i think the problem is in the chroot
[04:33:45] <rob0> !chroot
[04:33:45] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[04:33:49] <scientes> which i believe is /var/spool/postfix/var/run
[04:33:58] <scientes> so then i have saslauthd_path: /saslauthd/mux
[04:34:19] <scientes> and OPTIONS="-c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd"
[04:34:49] <rob0> If you want to have a chroot, you have to put the SASL socket in there ... oh, I think you leave off the /mux bit.
[04:35:25] <rob0> saslauthd_path ??
[04:35:52] <rob0> that's not a postconf(5) setting
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[04:36:01] <scientes> /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf
[04:38:25] <scientes> im just gonna turn on mynetworks, this is too much of a pain in the ass
[04:39:32] <hparker> Mail is hard, let's go shopping</barbie>
[04:39:39] <Dominian> haha
[04:39:43] <rob0> Sounds like Debian. You should be looking at their documentation and/or complaining to their Postfix & Cyrus-SASL maintainers.
[04:39:46] <scientes> seriously though
[04:40:15] <scientes> should be `install instant mail system`
[04:40:26] <scientes> what is your FQDN?
[04:41:34] <scientes> pam? administered?
[04:41:44] <scientes> webmail?
[04:41:46] <scientes> and thats it
[04:41:49] <scientes> should be that easy
[04:42:08] <rob0> :)
[04:42:26] <rob0> Then there would be no need for professionals!
[04:42:38] <scientes> just why cant it be that easy?
[04:42:53] <rob0> Ask Barbie.
[04:42:59] <scientes> it seems like it could be done
[04:43:36] <hparker> It has been... Install Exchange
[04:43:57] <scientes> in thirity minutes you could buy a domain name set up dns and install a mail server
[04:44:06] <hparker> See what you end up with?
[04:44:10] <rob0> yup
[04:44:13] <scientes> instead of bs gmail etc
[04:44:30] <hparker> There are hosting companies that can do that for you
[04:44:37] <scientes> but it could be fuly unmodified starks like postfix
[04:44:49] <scientes> just with a good default config that worked
[04:44:55] <scientes> not some lockin bs
[04:45:00] <hparker> Too many variables... Might could do it with courier
[04:45:21] <hparker> the default config in postfix works.. For a default install
[04:45:46] <brandonvalentine> rob0: i'm outta here, but nice to catch up for a minute, take care
[04:45:58] <rob0> brandonvalentine, see ya
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[04:46:42] <rob0> When I knew him he was still in high skool, but was very bright and literate.
[04:46:56] <Dominian> and now?
[04:47:16] <rob0> I'm sure he's out of hy school by now ;)
[04:47:39] <Dominian> no.. I meant by the brigt and literate
[04:48:03] <rob0> Maybe his collegiate years cured him of that, dunno!
[04:48:17] <rob0> Stranger things have happened.
[04:50:56] <scientes> fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: 2001:  Is the postfix-2001 package installed?
[04:50:58] <scientes> how do i fix
[04:52:42] * sahil smells an open relay in the making, blocks 75-165-17-166.tukw.qwest.net pre-emptively.
[04:56:56] <scientes> lol
[04:57:03] <scientes> just for host on the lan
[04:57:43] <scientes> also few will take my mail anyways cause its in that lame PBL list
[04:58:08] <sahil> lame PBL list?  no, the spammers are lame, PBL is good.  you've got it inverted.
[04:58:24] <scientes> yeah but not if you are on a DPF list
[04:58:31] <sahil> relay through a legitimate SMTP server or use gmail; don't try sending mail from your residential IP.
[04:58:34] <scientes> DPF*
[04:58:39] <scientes> SPF* goddamn
[04:58:51] <rob0> Lame? PBL was a wonderful advance in spam control.
[04:59:05] <sahil> ex-fscking-zactly.
[04:59:16] <rob0> See, these are the kind of people who think mail should be easy ... they know nothing about it.
[04:59:20] <scientes> but it shouldnt be set in sone
[04:59:32] <scientes> i understand some random ip shouldnt be able to send mail thats very good
[04:59:34] <sahil> scientes: it's not set in sone *or* in stone.
[04:59:43] <scientes> otherwise its jsut botnets
[04:59:49] <sahil> scientes: just stop; you are not going to win this battle in this channel.
[05:00:00] <sahil> PBL is good.  REAL good.  full stop.
[05:00:16] <scientes> but networks shouldnt blanket block it without checking SPF
[05:00:37] * pickcoder notes that most ISPs offer free relaying
[05:00:58] * sahil notes what pickcoder notes and he himself and several others have already noted but scientes fails to comprehend.
[05:01:08] <pickcoder> SPF is not a failsafe
[05:01:12] <pickcoder> it's hardly a standard
[05:01:23] <scientes> but it cost money to own a domain
[05:01:26] <pickcoder> it's an easily hackable DNS entry
[05:01:36] <pickcoder> which anyone can do for $5 a year
[05:01:37] <sahil> scientes: the sky is blue.  are we done with truisms now?
[05:01:40] <scientes> which alows somains to be blocked
[05:01:58] <scientes> it makes it cost money
[05:02:19] <pickcoder> until ISPs force static IPs (which they can't until IPv6 takes over 100%) PBLs will exist
[05:02:55] <harlan> IPv6 will not be static, I bet...
[05:03:09] <pickcoder> probably not at first but it should go that way to help filter out spammers
[05:03:23] <sahil> who cares if residential clients get static IPs?  i hope they're still blocked.  zombies won't go away based solely on adoption of v6.
[05:03:26] <scientes> it shouldnt be by ip adress period, it should be by dns
[05:03:33] <harlan> I bet ISPs will be more interested in not letting folks run servers, so will push for dynamic IPv6
[05:03:40] <scientes> and you shouldnt be able to send email without a dns record
[05:03:51] <Dominian> well considering that when IPv6 kicks in..
[05:04:00] <Dominian> every molecule in te universe can have their own /64....
[05:04:04] <Dominian> they better give statics
[05:04:11] <harlan> he.net will give customers IPv6 just for asking.  I think they even offer.
[05:04:11] <scientes> i have a /48 on tunnelbroker
[05:04:16] <sahil> moot moot moot!
[05:04:21] <sahil> scientes: you're leet!
[05:04:29] <scientes> lol yes
[05:04:45] <scientes> its just how many addresses there is
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[05:04:50] <Dominian> scientes: /64 here.. I have no need for a /48 on he.net.. just the /64
[05:04:56] <Dominian> although.. they have made some changes lately
[05:05:02] <Dominian> as my routing is fooked
[05:05:12] <scientes> i got the /48 because the way they route /64
[05:05:14] <pickcoder> I just need 2.. one for each backbone
[05:05:17] <scientes> doesnt let you do a lan
[05:05:23] <harlan> My ISP doesn't do BGP so I can't easily advertise my class C...
[05:05:33] <Dominian> scientes: hrm.. the routing of the /48 differs from the /64?
[05:05:33] <pickcoder> BGP is a waste anyway
[05:05:46] * harlan waves at pickcoder
[05:05:50] <Dominian> eh bgp isn't a waste.. hah
[05:05:58] <Dominian> especially if you multiple backbone providers
[05:06:01] <scientes> on /64 he takes the ::1 and you take the ::2, then they use that to route your /48 so that you are the ::1 and its all yours
[05:06:02] <Dominian> more than 2
[05:06:13] <pickcoder> yeah more than 4 or 5
[05:06:20] <Dominian> pickcoder: which we have where I am.
[05:06:20] <scientes> so you can route that /48 fully inside and the /64 is for talking to the outside world
[05:06:23] <pickcoder> or so much extra profit you can manage it
[05:06:25] <pickcoder> for 2
[05:06:27] <Dominian> scientes: ah
[05:06:33] <Dominian> scientes: that makes sense why my /64 looks fucked up now
[05:06:43] <pickcoder> hey harlan
[05:06:52] <pickcoder> how's ntp?
[05:06:53] <scientes> their /64 only really works for 1 computer
[05:07:04] <scientes> cause you cant route in into your lan
[05:07:21] <Dominian> scientes: well.. yes and no...
[05:07:36] <scientes> my smtpd keeps dieing with  fatal: dict_open: unsupported dictionary type: 2001:  Is the postfix-2001 package installed? so i cant send mail
[05:07:42] <rob0> You can if the network is set up that way.
[05:07:44] <Dominian> scientes: I know someone with a /64.. who's using it to route dynamically assigned IPv6 on the same subnet to openvpn clients hehe
[05:07:51] <scientes> Dominian, your right you can just route a subnet of it
[05:07:59] <Dominian> exactly
[05:08:14] <Dominian> then again.. I haven't gotten much into ipv6 as I was a few months back
[05:08:18] <rob0> you can't if you NAT'ed it
[05:08:22] <scientes> although you have to cut out half cause they way they take ::1
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[05:08:34] <Dominian> scientes: well.. lets see...
[05:08:39] <Dominian> a /64 gives you....
[05:08:43] <Dominian> I'd have to google.. but its a "lot"
[05:08:46] <Dominian> hehe
[05:08:52] <scientes> you can take blah:blah:blah:blah:1000::/49
[05:08:58] <rob0> "postconf | grep 2001:"
[05:09:01] <scientes> and route that inni mean /65
[05:09:05] <scientes> and route that inside
[05:09:05] <Dominian> heh
[05:09:36] <Dominian> well frankly.. I want native ipv6
[05:09:39] <Dominian> I hate this tunneled shit
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[05:10:12] <scientes> know whtat i need to install, its preventing me from sending email
[05:10:38] <harlan> pickcoder: getting ready for the next major release - I'll start that countdown in a day or so.
[05:11:15] <rob0> New ntpd release? About time. ;)
[05:11:44] <sahil> scientes: a brain?
[05:11:50] <rob0> Ba-da-BOOM Thank you, I'll be performing here all week.
[05:15:08] <harlan> rob0: are you or whoever you work for members of the NTP Forum?  http://ntpforum.isc.org
[05:15:42] <pickcoder> rob0 is an autonomous collective
[05:16:19] <hachiya> what is a recommended dkim setup these days?  i see info on dkim milter, dkimproxy, amavis...
[05:16:27] <hachiya> something i can set up with postfix that is
[05:17:03] <harlan> not an anarcho-syndicalist commune?
[05:17:07] <pickcoder> dkim
[05:17:14] <pickcoder> !dkim
[05:17:14] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "dkim" is not a valid command.
[05:17:19] <pickcoder> !domainkey
[05:17:21] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "domainkey" is not a valid command.
[05:17:23] <pickcoder> meh
[05:18:09] <hachiya> hn
[05:19:00] <rob0> Some watery tart throwing swords is no basis for a system of government!
[05:19:53] * rob0 is unemployed, but if you know someone who needs a good admin ...
[05:20:40] <rob0> My last job was not even in IT, I was in petroleum, a victim of falling oil prices.
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[05:24:32] <snappy> Anyone know of software using cymru's malware hash registry?
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[05:25:42] <sahil> no.
[05:26:02] <sahil> rob0: sorry to hear that bro. :/
[05:26:04] <harlan> rob0 - are you on linkedin.com and/or bluechipexpert.com?
[05:26:16] * sahil is also looking for postmaster work.
[05:27:22] <rob0> No, in fact I don't have much "credentials" of the kind that HR people treasure. I just know my stuff.
[05:27:44] <harlan> start with linkedin and add in folks you know, get folksyou have worked with to recommend yuo.
[05:27:45] * sahil neither
[05:27:48] <rob0> sahil, it's no problem, we're not hurting for money.
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[05:27:59] <rob0> ah, there's a thought
[05:28:20] <sahil> rob0: good to know that.  and you *do* know your stuff; an HR person may not notice, but any other postmaster worth his or her salt who has been on any remotely related mailing lists for the few years will know.
[05:28:44] <sahil> the _last_ few years, that is.  i cannot type; that's my problem.
[05:28:47] <rob0> Yeah, if I can talk directly to the tech folk, they should be able to tell.
[05:29:22] <rob0> it's just that most businesses have HR offices which try to justify their existence ...
[05:30:01] <sahil> uhm, EVERY HR department does that.
[05:30:10] <sahil> it's so frustrating.
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[06:52:17] <f3ew> rob0, if you are on linkedin, I can write up a reference for you
[06:52:28] <f3ew> Also, #lopsa is a good place to network
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[07:05:11] <rob0> f3ew, thanks. I'll do that and reciprocate if you like.
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[07:10:55] <f3ew> http://www.linkedin.com/in/devdas
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[10:11:54] <R1ck> anyone know good mail.log analysis programs to give me a top 10 of rbl usage?
[10:12:53] <xpoint> pflogsumm.pl
[10:14:12] <xpoint> or change to use postfwd with do internal stats and more
[10:14:17] <R1ck> thanks
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[10:24:28] <Led-Hed> evening
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[11:38:11] <xpoint> http://gate.junc.org/postfwd.stats
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[12:48:41] <keropok> c
[12:48:49] <danielapr> hi
[12:49:20] <danielapr> ive created accounts in postfixadmin, but no mailboxes created on /var/vmail
[12:49:24] <danielapr> can anyone help me ?
[12:49:42] <danielapr> when i click on create account, the postfixadmin freezes
[12:49:55] <danielapr> but when i return the account is there, but no mailbox in the /var/vmail
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[13:20:26] <keropok> i got error with "address resolver failure", my dns already configured
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[13:20:45] <keropok> i can lookup the mailserver domain using my dns server
[13:20:57] <keropok> but the error occur repeatly
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[14:47:50] <harpal> Hey is it possible so I can get set message_size_limit from external file?
[14:49:42] <xpoint> 42
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[14:53:39] <harpal> xpoint: 42 means?
[14:54:08] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep maps | grep size
[14:55:03] <harpal> xpoint: I cant get anything
[14:55:15] <xpoint> then you cant
[14:55:49] <harpal> xpoint: But is it possible? I am missing something?
[14:56:52] <xpoint> i miss why you want
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[14:59:40] <f3ew> harpal, no
[14:59:41] <harpal> xpoint: I have application which insert that when user enters. so I think if its possible then I dont modify main.cf file :D
[14:59:43] <xpoint> 42 is answered here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29
[14:59:55] <f3ew> Uh, no
[15:01:55] <xpoint> explain me harpal why you want to change main.cf just like you cange clotches
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[15:03:04] <harpal> My postfix works on gateway and my mail-server is inside. I am configuring my gateway with a webpage. so If I set some size at that time I want to change that
[15:03:34] <xpoint> does not make sense still
[15:03:38] <harpal> xpoint: I want to configure it with webpage, so Its not changed frequently
[15:04:00] <harpal> xpoint: user cant go there and change it
[15:04:15] <harpal> so I created web page to do that, so i was asking
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[15:04:35] <xpoint> why do you want to change postconf -d anyway ?
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[15:05:51] <f3ew> postconf -e message_size_limit=new_limit && postfix reload
[15:06:21] <xpoint> why fiix non existing problems
[15:06:35] <harpal> f3ew: Ya that could be useful.
[15:07:46] <xpoint> you can change it to accept iso files posted on mail, but you still cant change remote mta's
[15:08:29] <xpoint> and you did not show any logs with a problem
[15:09:26] <harpal> xpoint: hey I dont have any problem, But Like if mailserver admin dont want to allow mails more than size 2 MB. at that time I have to change it to 2MB
[15:09:51] <xpoint> why ?
[15:10:14] <f3ew> xpoint, he's writing the equivalent of webmin]
[15:10:33] <xpoint> silly
[15:12:14] <harpal> some what webmin, but different. which handle firewall and antispam :d
[15:12:54] <Dominian> eh
[15:13:01] <Dominian> I"m pretty sure there are products that do this already
[15:13:03] <Dominian> aka Maia Mailguard
[15:13:47] <harpal> Ouch I dont know that :D
[15:15:14] <Dominian> changing email size restrictions on the fly is nuts...
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[15:15:20] <Dominian> just get a nice base setting and go with it.
[15:17:16] <harpal> ok
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[15:19:47] <harpal> Hey is it possible that if I get mail from some user I get it forwarded to another user?
[15:20:59] <Dominian> !alias
[15:21:00] <knoba> Dominian: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps
[15:21:03] <Dominian> !alias_maps
[15:21:04] <knoba> Dominian: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
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[15:27:13] <harpal> Dominian: I think its different, If I user harpal sent email then I mail get sent but also get a copy of mail to admin at example dot com
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[15:30:20] <Dominian> !always_cc
[15:30:20] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "always_cc" is not a valid command.
[15:30:22] <Dominian> !always_bcc
[15:30:22] <knoba> Dominian: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[15:30:26] <Dominian> something like that?
[15:35:42] <harpal> Dominian: Ya thats what I want, Hey If I exceed message_size_limit Can I receive message? Means I can allow it ?
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[16:07:52] <BuenGenio> anyone seen vice-versa?
[16:10:52] <xpoint> Dominian, anyone can send patches to postfix if postconf -d is bad defaults :))))
[16:11:19] <xpoint> !seen vice-versa
[16:11:20] <knoba> xpoint: vice-versa was last seen in #postfix 6 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <vice-versa> !virtual
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[18:07:10] <dan__t> Good morning.
[18:07:32] <dan__t> Anyone run their own local RBL by chance?  Kind of interested in that.
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[18:26:03] <UQlev> dan__t: local RBL only or in addition to public ones?
[18:27:44] <dan__t> In addition to.
[18:28:03] <dan__t> I think I've been able to identify new sources based on the hosting niche I'm in, if that makes sense?
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[18:35:53] <UQlev> dan__t: how big is your server? how many mail-accounts?
[18:36:09] <dan__t> about 16k
[18:36:26] <UQlev> that's a lot
[18:36:43] <dan__t> eh.
[18:36:49] <dan__t> I've done better heh
[18:38:05] <UQlev> dan__t: if you will keep your own black-lists it will grow enormously
[18:38:29] <dan__t> That's the plan.
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[18:41:54] <UQlev> dan__t: do you use grey-listing?
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[18:42:17] <dan__t> Not currently, but I have in the past.
[18:42:30] <dan__t> That SQL database grew tremendously in a very short period of time.
[18:42:45] <dan__t> But I could use that data and incorporate it in to my RBL
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[18:47:22] <dan__t> i guess it would be irresponsible to blacklist people who didn't complete greylisting....
[18:47:25] <dan__t> maybe if they failed twice
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[19:28:11] <n0sq> hi - is it necessary to install the cyrus-sasl package if the perl-Authen-sasl package is installed?
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[20:02:17] <Faust-C> im creating a new server and was wondering since the hostname is mail.internal.domain.com and i set myhostname in main.cf to mail.domain.com would that affect anything
[20:07:29] <Dominian> Local delivery I'm guessing
[20:09:22] <Faust-C> yes
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[20:40:36] <mepholic> what are the permissions on mail.log, mail.err, etc supposed to be?
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[21:04:57] <mepholic> anybody?
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[21:11:17] <AshTray-> SquirrelMail gives me this error: "Error connecting to IMAP server: localhost. 111 : Connection refused". I'm using ubuntu server 8.10 interpid and running postfix and dovecot 1.1.4. This is the pastebind of netstat: http://pastebin.com/m14b7907a, dovecot log: http://pastebin.com/m10322b24, postfix log: http://pastebin.com/m7171dcfd . Please help me. Thank you in advance.
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[21:15:41] <Dominian> That's best suited for squirrelmail mailing list
[21:15:46] <Dominian> this isn't a postfix issue
[21:16:34] <AshTray-> I can't localize the problem.
[21:17:01] <Dominian> its more than likely your configuration in squirrelmail and what imap server its using
[21:17:09] <Dominian> if everything else works.. its squirrelmail
[21:17:43] <mepholic> what are the permissions on mail.log, mail.err, etc supposed to be?
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[21:24:09] <Dominian> depends on the distribution and the setup
[21:25:30] <pingouin> i gave debian upper
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[21:46:47] <BuenGenio> any sight of vice-versa lately?
[21:47:27] <shasta> !seen vice-versa
[21:47:28] <knoba> shasta: vice-versa was last seen in #postfix 6 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <vice-versa> !virtual
[21:48:05] <BuenGenio> must have gone on a retreat!
[21:48:29] <BuenGenio> you'd expect that from a hard-core sysadmin though...
[21:48:33] <BuenGenio> hehe
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[22:28:19] <slushpupie> is there a way with postfix to make is so when relaying mail, the envelope sender is forced to match some map based on the smtp auth?
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[22:31:05] <adaptr> you can prohibit sender addresses other than the authenticated user, yes
[22:32:03] <slushpupie> can you point me to some documentation on the topic?
[22:32:09] <slushpupie> Ive been looking for a while
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[22:34:05] <shasta> smtpd_sender_login_maps
[22:34:27] <slushpupie> thanks
[22:34:39] <shasta> and reject_sender_login_mismatch restriction
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