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[00:03:32] <sahil> ass.
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[00:28:31] <m_dige> Hi guys. I am new to postfix. I was just wondering whether a mydestination variable is necessary if I only wish to use virtual mailboxes ?
[00:30:33] <sahil> m_dige: set it to something innocuous and leave it alone.
[00:31:02] <sahil> m_dige: or, better yet, leave it at the default.
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[00:31:21] <rob0> Sometimes you might want it for aliases to commands, or other things that only local(8) can do.
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[00:31:51] <rob0> And sometimes the default value can be wrong for you. :)
[00:32:21] <sahil> there are, indeed, exceptions to almost everything.
[00:32:43] <sahil> ... except for the equation that postfix > sendmail.
[00:33:40] <rob0> Ha, even that ... sendmail is better for integrated content filtering, you can reject rather than quarantine junk.
[00:33:54] <m_dige> what is the default value ?
[00:33:56] <sahil> disagree.
[00:34:10] <sahil> m_dige: man postconf.
[00:34:18] <sahil> time to familiarize yourself with postfix and its various tools.
[00:34:46] <m_dige> sahil: sound like a plan. Have already read it some time now
[00:35:24] <m_dige> sahil: Actually is this phrase from the manual that makes me ask the question:  NEVER list a virtual alias domain name as a mydestination domain!
[00:35:46] <rob0> Right. Any given domain can only be in one class.
[00:36:02] <rob0> !address_classes
[00:36:03] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
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[01:40:36] <sahil> Guest78033: that's enough; thanks.
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[01:43:58] <rob0> hparker: our poor quiet channel is being defaced
[01:44:20] <stockholm> indeed
[01:44:26] <stockholm> is there an op here?
[01:44:38] <rob0> f3ew: ^^
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[01:44:52] <rob0> aha
[01:45:00] <rob0> !hparker
[01:45:01] <knoba> rob0: "hparker" : is a shining example of chivalry and champaign (but still b0rk3n)
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[01:46:26] <hparker> I think that's right :P
[01:46:55] <rob0> I'd offer you booze, but aren't you trying to stop?
[01:48:31] <hparker> Quit Labor Day
[01:48:50] <hparker> Well, I've drank twice since... But, no biggie
[01:49:13] <rob0> I'll drink to that! Here's to staying on the wagon!
[01:49:43] <hparker> hehe
[01:50:53] <hparker> One of the times was to get off the damn head pills the doc gave me.. Paxil messed me up bad... told him I'll go pillless unless he can call me disabled so I can live the life of a bump on a log... Coming off of them gave me some severe headaches
[01:52:24] <xpoint> how many paypal domains runs without spf records ?
[01:52:53] <xpoint> why does paypal accept this
[01:53:45] <xpoint> imho its the same as saying phising is ok with our domain
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[02:01:15] <jeev> cause paypal doesn't give a shit abuot anything
[02:02:44] <sed_>  http://www.paypalsucks.com/
[02:02:54] <xpoint> i will close my paypal account soon on this reason
[02:03:37] <sahil> xpoint: won't make a dent of difference.  might as well keep it.
[02:04:22] <xpoint> it removes my bank account info from them atleast
[02:04:42] <sahil> you think your bank account info is going to be compromised because they don't use spf?
[02:04:57] <xpoint> no
[02:05:14] <xpoint> better more safe then sorry
[02:05:28] <sahil> lol
[02:05:47] <sahil> the two things are unrelated.  is there any evidence of their poor safekeeping of your bank account info?
[02:06:31] <xpoint> unsure, but i have change visa card 2 times in the last 6 mounts
[02:06:55] <xpoint> now i dont have visa anymore
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[02:08:29] <sahil> why did you have to change the card?
[02:08:38] <sahil> oh, forget it.  this is so ridiculously off topic here.
[02:08:43] <sahil> whatever makes you feel safe. :)
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[02:09:31] <xpoint> sahil, imho its about trustness, nothing more nothing less
[02:09:40] <sahil> trustness, yeah!
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[02:44:04] <jeev> xpoint
[02:44:12] <jeev> you really think paypal would delete your bank account info ?
[02:44:15] <jeev> you know they store that, right ?
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[02:45:33] <xpoint> i belive its just stop using them and change bank account then forget to update my paypal info problem solved
[02:46:05] <jeev> yea you can do that i guess
[02:49:07] <SARGuy> /me
[02:51:49] <rob0> I agree with you FWIW, I think paypal is criminal. I *have* had money stolen because I refused to give them bank account info. And I haven't seen any evidence that they'd be responsible custodians of that info.
[02:52:28] <jeev> yea, paypal has jacked me
[02:52:30] <jeev> and they even tried once
[02:52:33] <jeev> but i didn't let them
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[02:59:01] * sahil has never had a problem with paypal FWIW.
[03:00:39] <xpoint> paypal..com have sender id and spf, just all the alias paypal domains that sooks
[03:01:31] <sahil> xpoint: how's that sender equal to recipient rule working for you?  do you really get that much spam in such form?  we rarely see it.
[03:01:33] <xpoint> think of yahoo hotmail bla bla most of them is not even yahoo hotmail
[03:02:24] <xpoint> sahil, not after postfwd works i do less spam test in spamassassin
[03:02:52] <sahil> my point is, do you get so much of such spam in general so as to "trigger" the postfwd rules?
[03:03:02] <xpoint> but i talk about pay domains generic without spf
[03:03:23] <xpoint> how can recipient trust sender without spf
[03:04:52] <xpoint> it was a question started from maddoc maillist about how to stop javascript url
[03:05:20] <xpoint> that is hex url envoded
[03:05:23] <rob0> Can't anyway, as most spammer domains seem to have perfect SPF.
[03:05:39] <xpoint> its abouit trustness
[03:05:53] <sahil> a
[03:05:55] <sahil> hahaha
[03:06:03] <sahil> forgive me, but i think that non-word is hilarious!
[03:06:04] <xpoint> no one trust a spammer domain anyway
[03:06:36] <rob0> How do you know when you get an email, that the sender domain is spammer-owned?
[03:07:08] <rob0> there are RHSBLs, but they're not going to catch most of them.
[03:07:08] <sahil> rob0: i'm having trouble with his english skills, but i *think* he means when he gest an email from a domain he knows is legit, he can't know if the email is legit without SPF.
[03:07:34] <sahil> so it's not so much that SPF helps stop spam, but that it helps him feel nice and cozzy about reading email from your paypals, yahoos, et cetera.
[03:07:42] <xpoint> true sahil
[03:07:42] <rob0> My point is that perfect SPF != non-spam.
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[03:08:30] <xpoint> i will not open any url before spf pass
[03:08:33] <sahil> my point is that that is not his point, with the massive caveat that i am having trouble w/ his english.
[03:09:02] <sahil> it's not a discussion about SPF != non-spam, but whether he can trust urls or emails purporting to be from paypal.
[03:09:34] <xpoint> sahil, does it not make sense ?
[03:10:27] <sahil> i just don't give much weight to SPF in general, but what you're saying appears to make sense for your situation/scenario.  it is not mutually exclusive with rob0's assertation that SPF != non-spam, with which I also agree.
[03:11:25] <xpoint> olso me, spammers can olso make spf valid, but its still me to get it to pass, with most spammers belive its not
[03:12:05] <sahil> yeah, see, that sentence... impervious to my comprehension skills.
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[03:17:10] <xpoint> equal hits much here yes
[03:17:45] <xpoint> thanks for help with that rule btw, its one of the things postfwd really rooks on
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[03:18:41] <xpoint> sender might think that i need to whitelist myself but i am not :)
[03:20:52] <xpoint> http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/postfix_restriction_classes3_en.shtml idder is stolen here :)
[03:21:28] <xpoint> just a bit more complex then the rule in postfwd
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[03:29:56] <sahil> much easier to implement in postfwd. :)
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[03:37:06] <xpoint> yep
[03:37:49] <xpoint> i just sometimes wanted ralf was here
[03:39:56] <xpoint> rob0, if you rethink the last line you writed here then you can change != to ==
[03:40:53] * xpoint newer say spf domains cant be spam
[03:41:50] <rob0> Spammers cannot set up SPF records? I don't get your xpoint.
[03:43:54] <xpoint> spammers is free to setup spf just like all off uus, but its still me that need to add the sender to my squirrelmail address book with is then cron dumped to spammassin whitelist_auth that way if its ham i tell spammassassin i trust that user newer send spam
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[03:45:22] <xpoint> i wont say the word trustness again :)))
[03:46:16] <xpoint> do you see a spammer use the same sender address ?, wonder why ?
[03:46:55] <xpoint> microsoft maked it wroung block sender
[03:47:28] <xpoint> my system is reverse, whitelist sender and block the rest
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[04:24:43] <sahil> haha
[04:24:46] <sahil> i don't get your xpoint.
[04:24:48] <sahil> that was cute
[04:24:53] <xpoint> sahil, that equal rule still hits here, so night to all you not using postfwd
[04:25:07] <sahil> xpoint: heh
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[04:26:49] <xpoint> sahil, maybe rob0 need to use cluebringer (policyd v2 perl code in future) :)))
[04:27:44] <xpoint> and i need some sleep now, l8tr
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[05:25:02] <qqq> Hello,,
[05:25:22] <qqq> I need immediate help...
[05:26:48] <qqq> I would like to know weather I can use postfix to forward for non existence email to our external mail server with the same domain///
[05:26:52] <qqq> I would like to know weather I can use postfix to forward for non existence email to our external mail server with the same domain..
[05:27:46] <growltiger_> !luser_relay
[05:27:46] <knoba> growltiger_: "luser_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional catch-all destination for unknown local(8) recipients. By default, mail for unknown recipients in domains that match $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces is returned as undeliverable.
[05:30:20] <qqq> I see..
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[05:32:39] <qqq> I will look again, I've been there but I'm not quite sure if it gonna work... but I might need to try first..
[05:32:45] <qqq> thanks!
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[05:36:10] <qqq> I'm so nob with the posfix..
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[05:39:38] <qqq> just want to clarify again.. let say my postfix is in the lcoal mail server and having domain jgd.com then I want it if anyone try to send xx at jgd dot com, the mail server will need to check if the user in local exist.. if not it willl try to send to our external mail server to the account xx at jgd dot com
[05:40:14] <qqq> I look on the luser_relay but I coulndt figure it how to define the information that it required to make it happen..
[05:41:04] <growltiger_> !fallback_relay
[05:41:05] <knoba> growltiger_: "fallback_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional list of relay hosts for destinations that can't be found or that are unreachable.
[05:42:28] <qqq> :-) It's look familiar...
[05:54:22] <qqq> I just added jgd.com on the fallback_transport option on main.cf.. but it doesnt really work...
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[05:55:25] <growltiger_> !fallback_transport
[05:55:26] <knoba> growltiger_: "fallback_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for names that are not found in the aliases(5) database or in the UNIX passwd database.
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[06:23:33] <rob0> I need immediate help.
[06:25:16] <jeev> heh
[06:25:17] <jeev> with what
[06:25:19] <jeev> ghonnorhea ?
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[06:32:03] <f3ew> lol
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[07:12:09] <hparker> !rob0
[07:12:10] <knoba> hparker: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[07:12:33] <hparker> yeah, he needs help
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[07:23:45] <rob0> immediately, if not sooner!
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[08:20:23] <rishab86> hey all
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[08:21:22] <rishab86> can any one help me to configure postfix mail server
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[08:23:08] <rishab86> my main objective is receive mails from server... and respond it automatically after saving the details
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[08:23:56] <rishab86> for config ?? any one >
[08:25:00] <f3ew> uh?
[08:25:12] <f3ew> !basic
[08:25:13] <knoba> f3ew: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[09:48:28] <_bozo> hi. i want to install smtp service, but i don't known the advantage between sendmail and postfix ?
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[09:52:46] <riz0n> Hello, I have installed SpamAssasin on my mail server, however it is not operating. I am using postfix for smtp and dovecot for pop3/imap. What changes need to be made to enable SpamAssasin
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[10:09:41] <f3ew> _bozo both will send and receive mail
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[10:17:42] <_bozo> for spamassasin + postif : http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/IntegratePostfixViaSpampd
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[10:25:51] <boney_> hey people
[10:26:10] <boney_> ive just setup postfix with virtual users and it works great with outlook and thunderbird
[10:26:53] <boney_> but one of my users is using mac os x, and his mail client (Mail) does not recognize the maildirs as actual mailboxes
[10:26:59] <boney_> but as regular folders instead
[10:27:07] <boney_> any hints on how i can fix that?
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[10:32:35] <R1ck> boney_: that has little to do with postfix, try the channel for the pop3/imap software you use
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[10:33:26] <boney_> aight thank you
[10:40:06] <riz0n> now that i have spamassassin in place, is there a way to have messages marked as spam to be placed in its own folder (such as Junk E-mail)
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[10:49:30] <R1ck> riz0n: you could use maildrop, procmail or dovecot's 'deliver' to filter the message to a different folder
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[10:50:18] <riz0n> ok i use dovecot so i suppose it would be the best to use the 'deliver' part of dovecot to do this
[10:50:59] <R1ck> yes
[10:51:13] <R1ck> you could patch dovecot to enable sieve filtering
[10:51:26] <riz0n> darn spammers, seems like they only like to hit up support@, info@ and webmaster@ accounts the most
[10:51:31] <riz0n> at least thats what i see the most on my server
[10:51:47] <R1ck> we do most filtering by dnsbl's
[10:52:07] <riz0n> how could i go about implementing such a fliter
[10:52:09] <riz0n> filter i mean
[10:52:48] <riz0n> i know that i have my domains set up with SPF records but im not even for sure whether or not my server even checks for spf on incoming mail
[10:54:34] <riz0n> part of the spam i see comes in with the account as the from address (for instance if my email is billy at bob dot com, then the message will appear to come from billy at bob dot com) :\
[10:55:50] <R1ck> i dont know about SPF checking.. but for dns blacklists see smtpd_client_restrictions
[10:56:02] <riz0n> ok thanks for the tip
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[11:50:46] <force> hello, i have postfix setup with amavis, spamassassin & postgrey, however if i send a local user mail via usermin (maildrop) it seems to skip spam check & virus checks
[11:50:56] <force> is it simply a matter of modifying a line in master.cf?
[11:51:08] <force> if so which one and to what?
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[12:38:26] <xpoint> my postfwd still rooks
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[13:17:52] <cornelinux> I got an incoming email with sender "john at example dot com" which is rewritten to "john at example dot local". When I reply on this email to:john at example dot local I do not want to have it rewritten again! I used sender_canonical and the reply-to example.local is rewritten to example.com. Any ideas how to rewrite only incoming emails but not outgoing ones?
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[13:24:27] <f3ew> recipient_canonical_maps?
[13:24:56] <boney_> where is the home-variable defined in postfix?
[13:31:08] <cornelinux> f3ew, thanks. That works. I did think that sender_canonical would also rewrite the recipient in the reply to the original sender. In a usual setup this might be handy. But with two maps it now works for me
[13:34:36] <cornelinux> boney_, it might depend on the user, that postfix is running as
[13:34:50] <boney_> vmail
[13:35:26] <boney_> well my problem isnt strictly postfix related, atm the mail that is recieved is put in /home/vmail/$domain/$user
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[13:35:58] <boney_> i would however like the mail to go to /home/vmail/$domain/$user/Inbox
[13:36:49] <boney_> not quite sure how to do that.. tried to change some settings and mail ended up trying to go to /home/vmail/Inbox instead
[13:36:52] <boney_> :/
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[14:05:00] <k-man_> im trying to configure postfix on my mac to send mail via my isp
[14:05:21] <k-man_> however i get the following error: timed out while receiving the initial server greeting
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[14:55:20] <boney_> can anyone explain to me what this does: MYSQL_MAILDIR_FIELD CONCAT(SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'@',-1),'/',SUBSTRING_INDEX(email,'@',1),'/')
[14:55:25] <boney_> please?
[14:58:46] <R1ck> it probably does something like converting foo at bar dot com to /bar.com/foo
[14:59:15] <R1ck> bar.com/foo/ actually
[15:09:44] <boney_> mkay that does the '/' do?
[15:10:20] <boney_> ill like it to convert to /bar.com/foo/Inbox, not very good at mysql though :/
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[15:16:30] <shasta> everything's here, boney: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/
[15:17:28] <boney_> :)
[15:17:29] <boney_> thanks
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[15:24:17] <boney_> yea that did the trick, thank you R1ck and shasta
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[17:01:14] <rgsteele||work> Is there a way to tell Postfix to not require TLS from the clients, but to force the server to use TLS when communicating with other SMTP servers?  I've got a box running Postfix on an intranet LAN with which I need to accept non-TLS connections from clients, but need it to talk over TLS to the smarthost.
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[17:04:54] <xpoint> rgsteele||work, i dont see a problem
[17:05:11] <shasta> !smtp_tls_policy_maps
[17:05:12] <knoba> shasta: "smtp_tls_policy_maps" : optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[17:05:21] <xpoint> rgsteele||work, smtp_ vs smtpd_
[17:05:40] <xpoint> shasta, no
[17:05:55] <growltiger> !smtpd_tls_auth_only
[17:05:57] <knoba> growltiger: "smtpd_tls_auth_only" : When TLS encryption is optional in the Postfix SMTP server, do not announce or accept SASL authentication over unencrypted connections.
[17:05:57] <rgsteele||work> xpoint: Ok, I'll re-read the docs with those prefixes in mind.  Thanks.
[17:06:04] <xpoint> he mix as i read it incomming with outgoing
[17:06:14] <shasta> xpoint, actually, he doesn't
[17:06:26] <shasta> but he wants the opposite of what most people want :)
[17:06:41] <rgsteele||work> Yeah, Incoming = no TLS, outgoing = TLS
[17:07:12] <shasta> rgsteele, smtp_*tls* are for "outgoing", smtpd_*tls* are for "incoming" connections
[17:07:23] <shasta> man 5 postconf :)
[17:07:26] <xpoint> bingo
[17:07:45] <rgsteele||work> Great, thanks - I'll re-read the manpage.  While it's kind of beside the point, I agree it's a bit of a wonky setup, but my hand is kind of being forced.
[17:19:22] <rgsteele||work> xpoint, shasta, growltiger: Thanks for the tip - got it working just the way I want.
[17:19:56] <shasta> np
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[18:34:13] <venger> i got mail for only one user to which does not get delivered, here is all the output i get in /var/mail/mail.log: http://pastebin.com/daa03414,  i tried setting debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1 but no additional information prints.  how can i get more info?
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[18:35:50] <adaptr> that's a misconfigured localhost setup, those are not sane addresses
[18:35:57] <adaptr> use peer-list = *
[18:36:00] <adaptr> to capture all
[18:36:16] <adaptr> better, pastebin postconf -n
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[18:36:52] <venger> you are referring to the hostname.localnet portion?
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[18:46:34] <venger> i added the mydestinations because mail is getting the to rewritten some how, i also changed myhostname some time ago to localhost seeing if it would prevent that.  here is the current config: http://pastebin.com/d336360e5
[18:48:01] <venger> maybe it didn't affect whats current in the queue, i dunno i'm too new to postfix although it appears easier to deal with over exim4 =)
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[18:52:38] <adaptr> venger: it doesn't
[18:52:47] <adaptr> postsuper -r ALL
[18:52:50] <adaptr> to resubmit
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[18:59:25] <wdp_> heh
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[19:04:12] <adaptr> you're underscored
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[19:12:24] <venger> adaptr, do you have any additional ideas, given append_dot_mydomain = no is set, why user@localhost would become user at hostname dot internaldomain or perhaps it has to do with default Rewrite "user" to "user@$myorigin" detailed here ? http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#standard
[19:13:34] <adaptr> !append_at_myorigin
[19:13:35] <knoba> adaptr: "append_at_myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Append the string "@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information.
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[19:16:47] <selim> hi I need some help in analysing my postfix debug output, I try to implement smtp-auth but after I have some sort of successful login the message won't be delivered cause of this error: http://rafb.net/p/LuxCsD49.html
[19:16:53] <selim> anyone some idea here?
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[19:22:19] <shasta> selim, pastebin output of this command: postconf -n
[19:23:30] <selim> shasta: http://rafb.net/p/E8EuZN33.html
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[19:25:27] <shasta> weird :)
[19:25:31] <shasta> and your master.cf?
[19:27:04] <selim> shasta is default
[19:27:08] <selim> shasta: http://rafb.net/p/67djxY48.html
[19:27:35] <selim> shasta: http://rafb.net/p/ztgMX133.html this is what I got after the change
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[19:31:17] <shasta> well, you're not authenticating properly
[19:31:23] <shasta> > e181082236.adsl.alicedsl.de[85.181.82.236]: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: no mechanism available
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[19:34:08] <hotzenplotz> hi guys i have some trouble w. postfix under etch. i always get an  Relay access denied; error. i have inet_interfaces = all in main.cf. what can else be wrong?
[19:35:45] <shasta> !relay_denied
[19:35:46] <knoba> shasta: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[19:35:48] <shasta> hotzenplotz, ^^^
[19:36:47] <hotzenplotz> mhm...
[19:37:12] <hotzenplotz> ok thx so far i will check this again
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[19:37:48] <hotzenplotz> o_O
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[19:46:56] <hotzenplotz> i don't see any bug in my config. http://pastebin.com/d4ab025fc
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[19:49:35] <shasta> hotzenplotz, pastebin output of postconf -n
[19:53:12] <hotzenplotz> shasta: output is http://pastebin.com/d6914d725
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[19:59:20] <rob0> And?
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[20:02:13] <Dewbug_wk> is my postfix is trying to send email but keeps getting connection refused.
[20:02:27] <Dewbug_wk> is that a problem with bind or postfix
[20:02:39] <Dominian> eh
[20:02:43] <Dominian> what are you trying to send to?
[20:02:56] <Dewbug_wk> gmail.com
[20:03:23] <Dewbug_wk> and any email going out gets a connection refused to the mx record is is pulling up
[20:03:23] <selim> shasta: thank you I've found out that some of the important sasl file are missing I've to check that further
[20:03:44] <shasta> hotzenplotz, do you see any differences between them? :)
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[20:10:30] <hotzenplotz> shasta: no? ;)
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[20:11:21] <hotzenplotz> postfix makes me confused...
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[20:17:22] <hotzenplotz> uhm my virtual_Mailbox_maps etc. fails...
[20:17:51] <shasta> i assume you come from the MS Windows world, where everything is case insensitive? ;-)
[20:18:11] <hotzenplotz> heh no i come from mac:)
[20:18:37] <hotzenplotz> u think about this M Mailbox?
[20:18:42] <rob0> virtual_Mailbox_maps
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[20:19:00] <rob0> Unix is case sensitive
[20:19:27] <hotzenplotz> argh this was from an german book about debian etch!
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[20:19:32] <rob0> which perhaps explains why virtual_Mailbox_maps is in main.cf but not in postconf
[20:19:42] <shasta> !tutorial
[20:19:43] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[20:19:47] <shasta> hotzenplotz, ^^^^
[20:19:54] <shasta> (definitely my favourite factoid)
[20:19:56] <rob0> Get your Deutchemarks refunded
[20:20:08] <hotzenplotz> lol
[20:20:20] <hotzenplotz> we have euros
[20:20:26] <wdp_> indeed
[20:20:35] <wdp_> i want the deutsche mark back
[20:20:37] <wdp_> :p
[20:20:50] <hotzenplotz> heh me too
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[20:37:21] <Dewbug_wk> ok so psotfix I think does not have the correct reverse dns configured
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[20:39:08] <hotzenplotz> guys it worx now! thx a lot...
[20:42:01] <rob0> Postfix is not a DNS server, what do you mean?
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[20:45:24] <seekwill> heh
[20:46:16] <sysmonk> woot? it's not?!
[20:47:19] <seekwill> Maybe it's the beta version?
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[20:58:28] <hotzenplotz> !content_filter
[20:58:28] <knoba> hotzenplotz: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.
[20:59:03] <hotzenplotz> !smtp-amavis
[20:59:04] <knoba> hotzenplotz: Error: "smtp-amavis" is not a valid command.
[20:59:08] <hotzenplotz> :P
[20:59:19] <hotzenplotz> !amavis
[20:59:20] <knoba> hotzenplotz: "amavis" : a mail virus scanner. A content filter that scans all received mail for spam (using the built-in spamassassin) and viruses (using any external virus scanner). See: http://www.amavis.org/
[20:59:22] <Dominian> the amavis docuemntation explains how to use it as a content_filter in postfix...
[20:59:45] <hotzenplotz> yeah will look at it next time
[20:59:49] <hotzenplotz> thx
[21:00:10] <rob0> Is that the right URL?
[21:00:12] <Dominian> its actually quite simple.
[21:00:20] <Dominian> yeah
[21:00:22] <Dominian> amavis.org
[21:00:39] <rob0> That's old, not amavisd-new
[21:00:39] <Dominian> unless you're thinking of amavisd-new
[21:00:41] <rob0> yes
[21:00:42] <Dominian> right
[21:00:45] <quieteyes> don't use the old one
[21:00:48] <Dominian> !forget amavis
[21:00:55] <quieteyes> use the new one
[21:01:04] <rob0> ijs.si
[21:01:16] <Dominian> !learn amavis as a mail virus scanner.  A content filter that scans all received mail for spam (using the built-in spamassassin) and viruses (using any external virus scanner). See: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
[21:01:17] <hotzenplotz> !amavis-new
[21:01:18] <knoba> hotzenplotz: Error: "amavis-new" is not a valid command.
[21:01:21] <Dominian> !amavis
[21:01:22] <knoba> Dominian: "amavis" : a mail virus scanner. A content filter that scans all received mail for spam (using the built-in spamassassin) and viruses (using any external virus scanner). See: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
[21:01:25] <Dominian> There.
[21:01:27] <hotzenplotz> :)
[21:01:33] <quieteyes> IIRC there are two branches of new ones - one of which is "stable", written in perl.  That's the one you want.
[21:01:35] <rob0> good
[21:01:40] <Dominian> quieteyes: amavisd-new
[21:01:47] <quieteyes> yup.
[21:01:51] <Dominian> I use Maia Mailguard myself.. whichi s a fork of amavisd-new code
[21:02:00] <Dominian> with their own additions to make it work properly with their web interface.
[21:02:03] <Dominian> works just fine.
[21:02:15] <shasta> who told you that amavisd-new has "built-in spamassassin"?
[21:02:31] <Dominian> shasta: I just typed verbatim what was already in the afactoid and changed the URL
[21:02:34] <Dominian> don't get so damn touchy.
[21:02:43] <Dominian> !forget amavis
[21:02:54] <Dominian> !learn amavis as a mail virus scanner.  A content filter that scans all received mail for spam (using the spamassassin) and viruses (using any external virus scanner). See: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/
[21:02:59] <Dominian> There.
[21:03:28] <quieteyes> it's not so much that it has "built-in spamassassin" as it has hooks for spamassassin.  If you have spamassassin installed and you use CPAN to pull in the hooks for perl to get to spamassassin, then it will attempt to use it (provided you have the rest of the config set up)
[21:03:38] <rob0> what's the official CPAN name of spamassassin ... Mail::Spamassassin ?
[21:03:47] <Dominian> yep
[21:03:50] <quieteyes> believe so
[21:03:57] <Dominian> however..you can still install spamassassin from its sources
[21:04:02] <Dominian> Youd on't necessarily have to use CPAN to install it.
[21:04:36] <rob0> I know, but amavisd invokes it inline, in the same daemon process.
[21:04:40] <quieteyes> still, it's nicer that way, although if you are running CentOS/RH you *will* have CPAN issues, so don't use it unless you are ready
[21:04:52] <Dominian> I do the install of SA from source anyway
[21:05:48] <rob0> We're a nitpicky crowd here ATM, so I should point out that CPAN also "installs from source" :)
[21:05:58] <quieteyes> lol
[21:06:21] <Dominian> very true
[21:06:40] <rob0> True especially about the nitpicking
[21:06:42] <Dominian> However, I've had some issues.. int he past.. dunno if they still exist with portions of SA failing during tests.
[21:06:47] <Dominian> rob0: both ;P
[21:06:55] <rob0> oh yeah, I've seen that too
[21:07:07] <rob0> I think I had to skip some tests
[21:07:13] <Dominian> Which is why I do it from source manually.. seems to work.. no issues.. dunno how to explain it
[21:07:34] <quieteyes> Dominian: I take it you're talking about doing a pull from CPAN and the build fails?
[21:07:41] <Dominian> aye
[21:07:49] <Dominian> or some tests fail that causes the build to fail
[21:07:56] <rob0> yep
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[21:08:14] <Dominian> So I just do it manually.. haven't had any issues since... now that's not saying the tests still wouldn't fail...
[21:08:29] <quieteyes> I can almost 99% guarantee that you were running a Red Hat/CentOS/SuSE or some other packaging system around RPM
[21:08:41] <quieteyes> CPAN is borked on all of those
[21:08:41] <Dominian> nope
[21:08:46] <Dominian> Slackware
[21:08:49] <quieteyes> huh
[21:08:51] <Dominian> and I don't think it was Slackware
[21:08:56] <Dominian> but this was a few years ago too
[21:09:05] <Dominian> I haven't doned an SA install via CPAN in a while.
[21:09:34] <quieteyes> non-RPM systems seem to handle it fine nowdays (Slack/Deb) but I know that RH/Cent/SuSE continue to have trouble
[21:09:41] <quieteyes> esp. if there is a perl interpreter upgrade
[21:10:43] <Dominian> aye
[21:10:48] <Dominian> on Ubuntu as well
[21:10:53] <Dominian> I don't use CPAN on ubuntu for SA at all
[21:10:58] <Dominian> that just totally screws things up
[21:11:16] <seekwill> RH/CentOS does provide perl modules...
[21:11:24] <Dominian> yep
[21:11:33] <Dominian> however, out of date ones...
[21:11:40] <Dominian> and if you try to pull from CPAN.... ick
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[21:17:56] <Dewbug_wk> this is what I get no matter what domain I am trying to send to http://richardm.pastebin.com/m183fad66
[21:20:03] <rob0> Dewbug_wk, telnet to my port 25.
[21:20:21] <rob0> I think your port 25 outbound is blocked.
[21:21:37] <seekwill> I want to telnet to rob0's 25
[21:21:44] <Dewbug_wk> # telnet cardinal.lizella.net
[21:21:44] <Dewbug_wk> Trying 216.23.247.74...
[21:21:44] <Dewbug_wk> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[21:22:03] <seekwill> port25...
[21:22:23] <rob0> yup
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[21:23:21] <rob0> Dewbug_wk, some router upstream, either yours or the ISP's, is blocking you.
[21:23:42] <Dominian> Dewbug_wk: telnet cardinal.lizella.net 25
[21:23:45] <Dewbug_wk> yeah I will have to check my shorewall config on my other server
[21:23:54] <Dominian> YOu have to add the 25 at the end.
[21:23:56] <Dewbug_wk> Dominian, same thing
[21:24:01] <Dominian> aye.. then what rob0 said
[21:24:23] <Dewbug_wk> I just coppied the wrong return
[21:24:30] <Dewbug_wk> but I get the same problem
[21:24:55] <anfi> Dewbug_wk: Can you install tcptraceroute?
[21:24:59] <rob0> mail.museumtour.com. has perfect FCrDNS, though.
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[21:25:26] <venger> trying to allow SMTP relay through my server from a specific IP address (work) so far my last hurdle is 5.1.1 <user at myisp dot com: Recipient address rejected:  User unknown in local recipient table.  I'm confused by this because the final destination is actually user at myisp dot com so the mail should end up being passed to relayhost.
[21:25:38] <venger> I'm not sure why I need a "local" recipient table.  I have to do it this way because my isp smtp will block anything coming from an unknown network.  I also setup my_recipient_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relay_recipients and added "user at myisp dot com x" to that file then ran postmap on it, then postfix reload.  Is there something that I am blatently misunderstanding?
[21:25:53] <Dominian> !sender_access
[21:25:54] <knoba> Dominian: "sender_access" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[21:26:03] <rob0> I sense blatant and rampant misunderstanding, indeed.
[21:26:09] <rob0> !unknown_local
[21:26:10] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
[21:26:52] <rob0> maybe start at
[21:26:54] <rob0> !basic
[21:26:55] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:27:00] <rob0> then move to
[21:27:03] <rob0> !standard
[21:27:04] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[21:27:21] <Dewbug_wk> my shorewall does not block port 25 from going externally
[21:27:33] <rob0> But I'm still not clear on the problem, venger.
[21:27:56] <Dominian> Dewbug_wk: is this a home DSL/Cable internet connectin?
[21:28:16] <rob0> Dominian, I think it's mail.museumtour.com.
[21:28:30] <Dominian> and..?
[21:28:34] <Dominian> hehe
[21:28:49] <rob0> Dewbug_wk, shorewall on the Postfix machine, or is that upstream?
[21:28:56] <Dominian> I hope to god that's upstream
[21:29:14] <seekwill> Why?
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[21:29:44] <Dominian> Don't think I'd want my firewall on my mail server..
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[21:29:49] <rob0> I'm only asking because it means the difference between INPUT and FORWARD.
[21:29:57] <Dominian> unless it was doing antivirus/SA stuff then forwarding to the true email server behind it :P
[21:30:14] <seekwill> Edge MTA vs. mailstore
[21:30:26] <seekwill> "mail server" :P
[21:30:27] <Dominian> yah
[21:30:28] <Dominian> hehe
[21:30:29] <Dominian> ass
[21:30:33] <seekwill> That's me!
[21:30:36] <Dewbug_wk> Dominian, no its on its own machine as the gateway for 5 subnets
[21:31:24] <seekwill> I use Zonealarm
[21:31:41] <Dewbug_wk> I use debian, with shorewall, snort and a few other goodies
[21:31:47] <wdp_> i use the windows xp personal firewall. The securest thing ever: You recieve everything and you cant send anything.
[21:31:53] <rob0> Did you check the rules in FORWARD?
[21:31:55] <wdp_> windows, what else!
[21:32:15] <seekwill> wdp_: ISA ftw
[21:32:30] <wdp_> is isa cute?
[21:32:38] <wdp_> :p
[21:32:40] <Dominian> ouch
[21:32:40] <Dominian> isa
[21:32:41] <rob0> It generally is a good thing to block your machines from getting out on port 25, at least if you have Windows behind the firewall.
[21:32:44] <Dominian> isa is a pain
[21:33:00] <seekwill> I rather poke a stick in my eye
[21:33:04] <Dominian> rob0: or just redirect all 25 requests to your internal email server
[21:33:08] <Dominian> seekwill: yep
[21:33:09] <Dominian> same here
[21:34:01] <rob0> Dominian, yes, but if you do the redirect, you really must have outbound content filtering.
[21:34:13] <wdp_> if i send mail from my mailserver to googlemail it is marked as spam, always.
[21:34:18] <Dominian> rob0: right
[21:34:19] <seekwill> I rather block and say "no, bad dog"
[21:34:22] <Dominian> that's the whole point :P
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[21:34:27] <wdp_> i followed their guidelines, doesnt help
[21:34:32] <Dominian> or you could just block everything except port 25 from the mail server.. which is what I usually do
[21:34:33] <seekwill> wdp_: Stop sending spm
[21:34:38] <wdp_> seekwill, i dont.
[21:34:58] <wdp_> thats the funny thing..
[21:35:04] <wdp_> i mean if i would send spam.. i wouldnt bother
[21:35:22] <Dewbug_wk> ok fixed, aparently I had the wrong ip allowed to go through the firewall
[21:35:24] <Dewbug_wk> ooops
[21:36:06] <seekwill> ...
[21:36:13] <Dominian> hah
[21:36:14] <wdp_> seekwill, and this happens only to some accounts
[21:36:27] <wdp_> seekwill, some googlemail accounts get it to their inbox, some into their spamfolder
[21:36:32] <wdp_> thats even more weird.
[21:36:43] <Dominian> wdp_: not weird.. people have probably flagged emails coming from you differently
[21:36:50] <wdp_> nope.
[21:36:54] <Dominian> some are flagging it as spam.. till the spam filter "learned" and bam.
[21:36:59] <wdp_> they're calling me afterwards and complaining "your mail is in spam"
[21:37:01] <seekwill> wdp_: postmaster at gmail dot com
[21:37:05] <Dominian> wdp_: you verified this with everyone you're sending to?
[21:37:11] <Dominian> tell them to fix it
[21:37:19] <Dominian> its not up to you to fix the issues.. its google's mail system doing it
[21:37:22] <Dominian> tell them to talk to google
[21:37:24] <wdp_> ye i verified that, and i used that special google form
[21:37:27] <wdp_> seems nobody cared there.
[21:37:31] * Dominian shrugs
[21:37:34] <Dewbug_wk> is there a way to make postfix send on a certain ip adddress
[21:37:38] <wdp_> probably i just missed something from their guidelines, not sure.
[21:37:38] <rob0> Did you expect them to care?
[21:37:43] <seekwill> I telnet'ed to gmail's mx from my home residential IP, and sent a test message. Went in fine.
[21:37:57] <rob0> !smtp_bind_address
[21:37:57] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_bind_address" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: An optional numerical network address that the SMTP client should bind to when making a connection.
[21:38:00] <wdp_> rob0, well. false positives are a negative thing, imho.
[21:38:12] <seekwill> wdp_: Do they hit "Not spam"?
[21:38:38] <wdp_> seekwill, i usually don't send spam.
[21:38:46] <seekwill> :)
[21:38:49] <wdp_> seekwill, i can send you an example, pm me your address.
[21:38:55] <seekwill> will at digitaldev dot com
[21:39:07] <Dominian> heh
[21:39:11] <seekwill> :)
[21:39:16] <rob0> \/|@9R@
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[21:39:22] <seekwill> I like to obfustrate
[21:41:34] <venger> rob0, all i want to do is relay mail through relayhost from an external address.  i dont know what to do if the local delivery agent shows that it either looks at unix accounts or /etc/aliases, but again where i am confused is why that would be needed to simply relay email for a non local account...
[21:41:37] <wdp_> seekwill, sent.
[21:42:13] <seekwill> lol, such a detailed email :)
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[21:42:25] <wdp_> seekwill, i hoped u will see something to help me ;)
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[21:45:22] <seekwill> wdp_: What kind of email are you sending that gets flagged? Transactional/personal/corporate or bulk?
[21:45:25] <rob0> DEAR SEEKWILL, ALTHO WE HAVE NOT MET MY FRENDS ASURE ME YOU ARE OF HI CARACTER. I NEED ASISTANCE WITH US$10M FINANCIAL TRANSACTION, PLESE REPLY, YOURS SINCERLY, MRS. MBWAKE SUMAMO
[21:45:38] <seekwill> rob0: :)
[21:45:40] <wdp_> haha
[21:45:48] <Dominian> hehehehe
[21:45:54] <wdp_> seekwill, what i sent you, is a good example.
[21:45:57] <seekwill> rob0: Sure, what's your email?
[21:46:14] <seekwill> wdp_: Check RBLs?
[21:46:20] <seekwill> (not sure if Gmail uses any of those)
[21:46:27] <wdp_> seekwill, as i told you i'm not on any blacklist with my mailserver.
[21:46:31] <wdp_> :)
[21:46:35] <seekwill> You did?
[21:46:42] <wdp_> yep
[21:46:44] <seekwill> oh
[21:46:58] <wdp_> None of these is an open relay. None of these is in a DNSBL. ...
[21:47:02] <wdp_> in my detailedd viagra mail
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[21:47:32] <seekwill> Did you follow all of Gmail's guidelines?
[21:47:41] <seekwill> I found Gmail to be the most relaxed of all the major ISPs
[21:47:51] <seekwill> I do not send spam though :P
[21:47:51] <wdp_> in fact its the only one marking our mails as spam
[21:47:53] <rob0> venger: step back and describe the problem without jargon.
[21:48:04] <wdp_> every other provider accepted them just fine
[21:48:05] <wdp_> :)
[21:48:14] <seekwill> wdp_: What you should do is send your marketing emails on another IP
[21:48:24] <wdp_> i dont send marketing emails.
[21:48:26] <seekwill> Then follow Gmails bulk policies
[21:48:39] * wdp_ is oldschool - marketing using letters.
[21:48:42] <wdp_> :p
[21:48:47] <seekwill> I thought you said "all kinds"?
[21:48:53] <wdp_> well.
[21:48:55] <seekwill> (sorry, bad click, closed wrong window)
[21:49:00] <seekwill> (history == poof)
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[21:49:01] <wdp_> we're talking more about personal mails.
[21:49:06] <wdp_> like..
[21:49:09] <wdp_> hey honey.. how are you
[21:49:11] <seekwill> cyber sex?
[21:49:13] <wdp_> did u got my ..
[21:49:15] <rob0> tmi
[21:49:18] <wdp_> ahaha
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[21:49:36] <seekwill> oh
[21:49:59] <seekwill> postmaster at gmail dot com :)
[21:50:17] <wdp_> seekwill, serious: just private chit chat "hello how are you" such stuff. nothing what would look like spam. though its german mails. probably googlemail things german == spam.
[21:50:23] <wdp_> s/things/thinks
[21:50:39] <rob0> aha! Then switch to GMX! :)
[21:53:11] <venger> rob0, mail client @ work uses my home server as  its SMTP server, home server needs to recieive the mail then pass it to relayhost
[21:53:31] <rob0> !sasl
[21:53:32] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[21:53:58] <rob0> unless work is a static IP, then:
[21:54:01] <rob0> !mynetworks
[21:54:02] <knoba> rob0: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
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[22:00:02] <seekwill> wdp_: It looks fine, but I never had any problems with Gmail so I'm not really familiar with their specific policies. I'd contact them again.
[22:00:34] <venger> cool deal rob0 i got it working and i appreciate the help
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[22:50:06] <xpoint> sahil, help
[22:50:22] <xpoint> or is other using postfwd ?
[22:50:47] <Dominian> Not even sure what postfwd is
[22:51:19] <xpoint> http://www.postfwd.org/
[22:51:36] <seekwill> Does it do DNS?
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[22:52:30] <Dominian> hrm
[22:52:34] <Dominian> it looks interesting
[22:52:36] <seekwill> I wonder how fast it is...
[22:52:37] <Dominian> just not sure if I'd need it or not
[22:52:43] <seekwill> You need it
[22:52:53] <seekwill> The dude didn't write it just to waste his time
[22:52:55] <Dominian> oh?
[22:53:00] <seekwill> Of course you do
[22:53:01] <Dominian> why do I 'Need" it then?
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[22:53:10] <seekwill> Because it was created
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[22:53:13] <Dominian> haha
[22:53:13] <Dominian> sure
[22:53:24] <Dominian> Ubuntu was created too.. doesn't mean I'm going to use it.
[22:53:36] <hparker> :-o
[22:54:03] <xpoint> Dominian, that qoute saved my day
[22:54:33] <Dominian> xpoint: which one? hehe
[22:55:01] <xpoint> i like to make a DSN rule into postfwd
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[22:55:29] <xpoint> seekwill, and yes DSN not dns :)
[22:56:08] <Dominian> xpoint: noobfarm.org for the quote ;)
[22:56:14] <Dominian> well to put it there that is
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[23:31:17] <iEatChildren> i seem to always have about 200 messages in queue and they are delayed up to an hour in delivery. anything i can do to find the problem?
[23:32:40] <iEatChildren> at first i thought it was an exchange issue but inner office communication seems to work fine which leads me to believe that i may have out grown my mail server
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[23:48:31] <hotzenplotz> ahoi
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