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[00:09:01] <sahil> and mib_whatever's question had nil to do with postfix.  grr.  this is turning into #help.
[00:09:08] <sahil> fredje_chill: that's great, we don't care.
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[00:19:49] <growltiger> OUT
[00:20:14] <fredje_chill> del
[00:20:28] <fredje_chill> az
[00:20:30] <fredje_chill> az
[00:20:32] <fredje_chill> a
[00:20:34] <fredje_chill> a
[00:20:34] <fredje_chill> a
[00:20:36] <fredje_chill> a
[00:20:39] <fredje_chill> o
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[00:27:39] <sahil> fucking douchebag.
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[00:33:23] <cafuego> he's belgian, what do you expect
[00:38:20] <sahil> half a brain, in that case.
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[01:14:49] <looneyM1> recently set up a mail server with postfix,mailscanner,spamassassin having trouble with spoofed messages any suggestions would be appreciated
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[01:20:50] <looneyM1> anyone home
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[01:43:02] <nicko2> anyone has experience with "domainkeys=fail (bad syntax)" at yahoo?
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[01:51:02] <stockholm> no, never saw that one
[01:51:28] <stockholm> i would check the systax of my txt record
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[02:02:37] <looneyM1> anyone know how to stop spoofed messages
[02:07:21] <chopp> anyone give me a clue as to why my "myorigin = $mydomain" isn't working
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[02:15:45] <looneyM1> bueller
[02:15:47] <looneyM1> bueller
[02:15:49] <looneyM1> bueller
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[02:20:59] <rob0> Folks, read /topic before asking questions. No one is asking any answerable questions!
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[02:23:42] <chupacabra> and #postfix is not smart enough to even send a misdirected question to the correct venue.  This is a great channel.
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[02:24:38] <rob0> There's a winner.
[02:27:06] <rob0> Administrative Contact:       Richards, Karen  deals at topstexas dot com
[02:28:04] <chopp> my postconf -n output: http://pastebin.com/d2e916116  my "myorigin = $mydomain" is set but isn't working. This is on an vps at linode.
[02:28:50] <rob0> "Isn't working" is not much of a problem description.
[02:29:19] <rob0> myhostname should be a FQDN
[02:29:26] <rob0> !myhostname
[02:29:27] <knoba> rob0: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
[02:29:33] <rob0> !fcrdns
[02:29:34] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[02:29:53] <rob0> Postfix 2.4.1, pretty old
[02:30:05] <chopp> well is not the required result to send chopp at example dot com instead of chopp at slack dot example.com. It is doing the latter.
[02:31:04] <rob0> Why did you set inet_interfaces?
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[02:31:49] <chopp> from a guide I was following
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[02:33:28] <rob0> Dominian's guide?
[02:33:37] <rob0> anyway ...
[02:33:45] <rob0> !tutorial
[02:33:46] <knoba> rob0: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[02:34:05] <rob0> Maybe Dominian needed inet_interfaces, but why do YOU need it?
[02:34:30] <chopp> I'll read some more postfix docs
[02:34:37] <rob0> !basic
[02:34:38] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[02:34:41] <rob0> is a good one
[02:34:50] <chopp> allright
[02:35:03] <rob0> What happens if you get mail to chopp at example dot com ?
[02:35:15] <rob0> (Still not understanding the problem)
[02:35:50] <chopp> works fine, but chopp at slack dot example.com doesn't
[02:36:21] <rob0> that's not in mydestination, is it?
[02:36:37] <rob0> anyway ... 01:29 < rob0> myhostname should be a FQDN
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[03:13:13] <psypoint1r> hi
[03:13:29] <psypoint1r> is it possible to reject spam mails recognized by spamassassin (no bouncing) ?
[03:18:49] <Motoko-chan> How are you using it?
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[03:22:59] <rob0> !proxy
[03:23:00] <knoba> rob0: Error: "proxy" is not a valid command.
[03:23:07] <rob0> !smtp_proxy
[03:23:07] <knoba> rob0: Error: "smtp_proxy" is not a valid command.
[03:23:26] <rob0> !smtpd_proxy
[03:23:26] <knoba> rob0: Error: "smtpd_proxy" is not a valid command.
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[03:24:39] <rob0> !learn smtpd_proxy as Postfix before-queue content filter : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_PROXY_README.html
[03:25:02] <rob0> !tell psypoint1r smtpd_proxy
[03:25:03] <knoba> psypoint1r: "smtpd_proxy" : Postfix before-queue content filter : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_PROXY_README.html
[03:25:19] <rob0> !milter
[03:25:20] <knoba> rob0: "milter" : Postfix support for Sendmail milters: http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html
[03:25:28] <psypoint1r> oh okay, thanks
[03:25:35] <rob0> Some milters can run before-queue as well.
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[03:36:55] <psypoint1r> is there a simple method to analyse how many mails were blocked due my zen.spamhaus.org and bl.spamcop.net usage?
[03:38:00] <psypoint1r> (for example plotting it)
[03:38:20] <rob0> !pflogsumm
[03:38:21] <knoba> rob0: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)
[03:38:55] <psypoint1r> yeah, nice :) thanks rob0
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[04:00:37] <looneyM1> MailScanner: No programs allowed (ETP.DAT)
[04:00:47] <looneyM1> anyone been able to write a rule to allow the blackberry redirector to not get stopped by mailscanner
[04:01:01] <looneyM1> sorry I know this is for the mailscanner channel
[04:01:15] <looneyM1> just figured someone here might know as well
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[10:45:30] <riz0n> Does anyone have an easy to follow FAQ on converting a Postfix server from linux-based accounts to multi-domain accounting? Right now my server is configured to receive email at any domain and it is delivered to a mail folder in a linux user's account, however i want to convert where an email account does not have to be a linux accountholder, and domains are treated separately.
[10:49:35] <Haris_> riz0n: Your question is vague .. at best, to me at least
[10:52:00] <Haris_> from linux-based accounts, you mean PAM based authentication?
[10:54:36] <riz0n> Haris_: correct
[10:54:36] <growltiger_> !virtual
[10:54:36] <knoba> growltiger_: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[10:55:06] <riz0n> Basically I don't want to create an account in Linux for someone to have an email account
[10:55:34] <riz0n> Anyhow I'm reading the the URL in the channel trigger
[10:57:47] <Haris_> postfix+mysql+dovecot is what you are looking for
[10:58:34] <Haris_> That's postfix+mysql+postfixadmin+dovecot
[10:59:03] <Haris_> this is the quick and dirty thing. Read and UNDERSTAND about it before you go into it
[10:59:18] <riz0n> ok
[11:00:33] <riz0n> i had it set up once before on this server but i forgot how to manage it so i tore it down and converted it back to PAM based accounting
[11:01:22] <Haris_> that was a big mistake :)
[11:01:31] <Haris_> Its a MUCH easier thing to administer
[11:02:00] <riz0n> what i want to do is create a linux server to replace a live email system for a company i am helping
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[11:03:00] <Haris_> =)
[11:03:56] <riz0n> create a php based administration script that will allow the email server to be cross linked into an existing accounting application.. where the mysql database would actually contain the customer's account # with each email address, so that users can actually manage their own accounts (Each user can sign up for 5 emails, 10, 20, 50, etc)
[11:04:56] <riz0n> and if the bill isn't paid and the account is suspended then the accounting script can set a flag and email auto reject but if the bill gets paid then the flag gets set back and account enabled, or if the customer emails can easily get cut off
[11:05:42] <riz0n> sorry the last part of that statement is, if the customer cancels their service then all their accounts will get shut off at same time
[11:06:04] <Haris_> postfixadmin is an opensource php based web app to manage email accounts and their properties. You can certainly adapt it or us eit as a template to build your own account management UI
[11:06:18] <riz0n> i was reading a howto online that included modifying the source code to support quotas
[11:06:24] <Haris_> ..adapt it or use+ it..
[11:07:04] <riz0n> well if everything is mysql based once implemented then i think i can create some scripts that will handle the accounting side of it
[11:07:32] <Haris_> =)
[11:07:43] <riz0n> just making some changes in the databases that they "suggest" you create to support more fields
[11:07:53] <riz0n> if a user gets 5 accounts then one would be considered a master account
[11:08:39] <riz0n> the master account can not be changed (at least not by the accountholder) and mainly for the reason you would not want the accountholder to be able to go in your system and be able to change their name and stuff like that
[11:09:02] <riz0n> accounts would have to be created in person by signing paperwork
[11:09:34] <riz0n> can't ever be too slack on your accounting since 9/11
[11:09:55] <riz0n> but ANYTHING to get away from windows and terribily expensive mail server software
[11:10:21] <riz0n> what is shocking to me is that there are companies that actually sell expensive software
[11:11:50] <riz0n> one of the big reasons a lot of the clients have dealt with don't like changing over to from windows based servers to a newer system (which from that point would be totally flexible) would be because of the long and tedious process of having to create each user an account and having to deal with moving each account's mail box over
[11:13:14] <riz0n> one of my recent projects involved trying to create an understandable system, the accounting was in quickbooks, they had a different system for their dialup customers and a different system for email and then a wireless broadband system that actually wasnt linked to any database system :|
[11:14:08] <riz0n> lets just say that project never got done, at least by me. it was so sloppy and none of the accounts had anything in "common" that would allow the quickbooks to even halfway hint to being able to spit out credentials of a user based on their accounting data, or vice versa
[11:15:42] <riz0n> I say sometimes its easier to start up an Internet company from fresh and use linux and have all the different elements link together via databases
[11:16:01] <riz0n> plus its a lot cheaper than having to go out and buy licenses ;)
[11:16:42] <riz0n> and it does everything that you need and expect it to do.. not what limitations that the software author writes the software to do
[11:17:28] <riz0n> btw how can i find out what version of Postfix that this server i am working on is running?
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[11:21:17] <Haris_> what OS ?
[11:21:28] <riz0n> Ubuntu 8.10
[11:21:42] <riz0n> wait no im sorry 8.04
[11:21:49] <Haris_> something like -> dpkg -l "*postfi*"
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[11:22:29] <Haris_> riz0n: AaSk in #Ubuntu for a sure-fire answer
[11:22:32] <Haris_> Ask+
[11:22:35] <riz0n> 2.5-1ubuntu1
[11:22:46] <riz0n> :) Thanks that helps me a lot.
[11:23:00] <riz0n> OK, time for me to get some rest, I appreciate the help.
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[12:52:53] <rawtaz> hi. i cannot find any settings for tuning connection settings for the mysql transport in postfix, is there any way to do this?
[12:53:18] <growltiger> wow
[12:53:25] <growltiger> have not seen in you in years
[12:53:26] <rawtaz> this one handles the subject well but i cant see that it's been included in postfix: http://forum.soft32.com/linux2/Bug-400395-postfix-include-MySQL-defaults-file-patch-ftopict59977.html
[12:53:26] <war9407> ?
[12:53:38] <growltiger> you used to be on dalnet in #3d?
[12:53:44] <rawtaz> growltiger: me?
[12:54:26] <growltiger> your name is leo?
[12:54:30] <rawtaz> indeed
[12:54:42] <rawtaz> you changed your nick though
[12:54:53] <growltiger> smallfurrythinginacavegrooving
[12:55:04] <growltiger> freenode only allows short nicks
[12:55:15] <rawtaz> oh :>
[12:55:51] <rawtaz> sorry to say i can't remember specifically who you are :/
[12:56:06] <growltiger> i used to go in #3d
[12:56:09] <rawtaz> years passing, age growing:>
[12:56:18] <rawtaz> yeah i recall that nick
[12:56:25] <rawtaz> just cant connect it to a name :)
[12:56:50] <growltiger> this was like 10 years ago
[12:57:02] <rawtaz> yeah
[12:57:58] <rawtaz> so you're juggling mail instead of polygons now? :)
[12:58:38] <growltiger> i have been doing sys admin instead of web design for about 10 years now
[12:58:51] <rawtaz> nice :)
[13:00:33] <growltiger> anyways there is no tuning for postfix using mysql
[13:00:56] <growltiger> it just uses the libmysqlclient libraries to talk to the mysql server
[13:01:00] <rawtaz> perhaps i should check if that patch still works or can be made to work :)
[13:01:08] <growltiger> all the tuning is done on the mysql server
[13:01:14] <rawtaz> hm shouldnt that lib use my.cnf?
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[13:03:05] <rawtaz> in any case i would of course like to have specific settings for the postfix part :)
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[13:03:45] <growltiger> i never heard of doing that
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[13:07:26] <rawtaz> ah well
[13:09:06] <rawtaz> growltiger: ever since i started using mac's instead of a pc with windows i haven't done any 3d either, since max is what i used. but there's plenty other stuff to do instead  :)
[13:09:39] <growltiger> i use macs and pcs
[13:09:56] <growltiger> my macbook run osx linux and freebsd
[13:10:04] <growltiger> my pcs run linux
[13:10:16] <growltiger> i have 1 that runs windows to play games with
[13:10:31] * wdp_ has only linux boxes and one opensolaris box
[13:10:47] <rawtaz> mhm :9
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[16:10:11] <mynullvoid> hi all
[16:10:56] <mynullvoid> I am setting up my submission for my postfix since the isp block port 25; in the firewall rules do I need to open 587 tcp alone or along with 587 udp?
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[16:12:30] <mynullvoid> hi devdas
[16:12:37] <mynullvoid> I am setting up my submission for my postfix since the isp block port 25; in the firewall rules do I need to open 587 tcp alone or along with 587 udp?
[16:13:00] <devdas> 587/tcp
[16:17:39] <mynullvoid> can I just append this to my master.cf: submission inet n - - - - smtpd
[16:18:29] <devdas> just uncomment it
[16:21:57] <mynullvoid> both of this :
[16:21:58] <mynullvoid> #submission inet n      -       -       -       -       smtpd
[16:21:58] <mynullvoid> #       -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject
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[16:23:48] <devdas> yes
[16:32:46] <mynullvoid> thanks devdas
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[18:19:01] <digson> Hey everyone! is someone ready to help a newbie? I think it's not a big problem.
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[18:21:31] <rob0> Nope.
[18:22:01] <wdp_> heh
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[19:50:05] <psypointer> hi :)
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[19:50:46] <psypointer> is it possible to use dns blacklists like spamhouse to decide if greylisting is used for a client? i want the postfix to use greylisting for a client if the clients ip is on the blacklist - if not it should deliver the mail
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[20:00:48] <rob0> 1. Not directly, no, but some policy daemons do this. 2. Just say reject_rbl_client to Zen-listed hosts, you'll never miss the spew. 3. You'll do much better, however, if you spell "spamhaus" correctly.
[20:01:06] <psypointer> erm yep
[20:01:17] <psypointer> i'm currently using the spamhaus zen list to block spam
[20:01:37] <psypointer> but it sucks when gmx or other big mail providers are blocked by spamhaus..
[20:03:00] <rob0> gmx is listed?
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[20:03:44] <rob0> do you have a reference for this?
[20:05:09] <psypointer> rob0: currently not
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[20:05:27] <rob0> was it on CBL?
[20:05:28] <psypointer> but sorb accidently blacklisted some big providers in the past
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[20:05:42] <rob0> ah, well such is the hazard of using SORBS
[20:05:54] <rob0> and no, it's not accidental, usually.
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[20:06:04] <psypointer> anyway, this should not happen
[20:06:17] <psypointer> but it happens, so i need a technology to prevent spam and the drop of false positives
[20:06:22] <psypointer> s/drop/reject/g
[20:06:26] <rob0> Big providers are quite often big spam sources ... gmail & msn/hotmail especially.
[20:07:05] <xpoint> psypointer, did the big providers send spam ?
[20:07:28] <rob0> I think most of the spam I see comes from big providers.
[20:07:44] <psypointer> rob0: i think the most comes from hacked servers / botnets
[20:07:48] <xpoint> same here incl yahoo
[20:08:03] <rob0> I don't usually get the botnet junk.
[20:08:27] <rob0> XBL & PBL, plus normal HELO checks, gets rid of that.
[20:08:47] <xpoint> postfwd
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[22:24:58] <scientes> is my nat the reason spf isnt working?
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[22:34:39] <chiche42> Hi, I'm running postfix on my mail server. Due to a mount issue, my user's mails have been delivered at the wrong place during about 1 hour. The nfs share wasn't mounted properly so the mails have been delivered on the server's local hdd instead of the correct place, on an nfs server. Now, everything is mounted correctly again. I now want to get the mails that have been delivered on the hdd and put them back on the nfs server, at the right place. Sinc
[22:34:39] <chiche42> e now, the nfs share is mounted again, these files are now hidden, which means I need to unmount the nfs share again for a short time, to move the files somewhere else. But before doing this, I have to tell postfix to stop delivering mails locally, but to keep them in the queue instead. I don't want to stop it completely since it might still receive new messages in the meantime. How could I do that ?
[22:35:08] <scientes> remount the drive in another place
[22:35:11] <scientes> ie
[22:35:13] <scientes> mount
[22:35:26] <scientes> then look at the drive that the nfs was mounted on top of
[22:35:45] <scientes> then remount (same as firstmount) that hd somewhere else like /mnt
[22:35:49] <scientes> then copy your files
[22:36:09] <chiche42> I don't think I can remount the drive actually, it holds the rootfs. Can I ?
[22:36:17] <scientes> yes
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[22:36:19] <scientes> you can
[22:36:31] <scientes> cause linux doesnt really remount it
[22:36:35] <scientes> i dont think
[22:37:05] <scientes> worked for me for the same type of problem
[22:37:13] <chiche42> so I basically mount the /dev/sdxx somewhere else. It won't cry that the same dev file is mounted twice ?
[22:37:20] <scientes> nope
[22:37:48] <chiche42> ok, I mount it read-only then I suppose
[22:37:59] <chiche42> not a good idea to mount the same fs twice as rw
[22:37:59] <scientes> i didnt but that sounds better
[22:38:13] <chiche42> ok, I will try that, thx
[22:38:16] <chiche42> Another question now
[22:38:30] <chiche42> My mailboxes are using the maildir format
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[22:38:56] <scientes> i think it only mounts it once and linux just handles it but i really dont know
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[22:40:00] <chiche42> If I want to merge the files, is it acceptable to just copy the files from these files to the proper location ? How are generated the filenames in the maildir ? Am I safe that there will not be 2 files with the same name in both ?
[22:40:26] <scientes> im pretty sure there will be no problems
[22:40:44] <scientes> thats a advantage of Maildir
[22:40:50] <chiche42> Yes ok
[22:41:12] <chiche42> do you know how the filenames are generated ? I'm just a little curious :)
[22:41:13] <scientes> look at it its a time stamp recieving server and status
[22:41:24] <scientes> and it appears a hash
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[22:41:39] <chiche42> ok, so it must be safe
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[22:41:57] <scientes> just look at them its not too complicated
[22:42:09] <scientes> all the metadata is right in the filename kinda cool
[22:42:19] <chiche42> Anyway, I'll write a quick bash script to merge them, so I can check if there is a conflict before doing the copy
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[22:42:42] <scientes> you can just use a cp switch
[22:43:04] <chiche42> yes, ok, I'll do that
[22:43:26] <chiche42> thank's a lot for your assistance :)
[22:43:40] <scientes> your welcome
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[23:39:23] <stockholm> i guess deface has a problem?
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[23:42:41] <Arnaud1> hi !
[23:42:54] <Arnaud1> got a question about Maildir format
[23:43:01] <Arnaud1> someone can help me ?
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[23:45:15] <cafuego> Not if you don't ask the quesion, no.
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[23:47:08] <Arnaud1> lol ok
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[23:47:30] <Arnaud1> how can i enable maildir with a base folder on /var ?
[23:47:35] <rob0> It's also a good idea to read and heed /topic BTW.
[23:48:31] <Arnaud1> rob0 ?
[23:48:39] <rob0> !mail_spool_directory
[23:48:40] <knoba> rob0: "mail_spool_directory" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The directory where local(8) UNIX-style mailboxes are kept. The default setting depends on the system type. Specify a name ending in / for maildir-style delivery.
[23:49:29] <Arnaud1> yes but will it create a different folder for each users ?
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[23:51:06] <rob0> it will if the user has write permission in mail_spool_directory ... basic Unix permissions issue.
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[23:58:05] <Arnaud1> thanks rob0





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