[00:03:18] <neXyon> the next problem after receiving mails is sending them
[00:03:56] <neXyon> I guess having all smtp servers set up in my mail client is the easiest way?
[00:04:13] <neXyon> and with easiest I mean it's the only I can think of
[00:04:52] <neXyon> it's no problem in thunderbird, though I wonder how it will work in squirrelmail to be able to send mail selecting the sender (and with the sender the smtp server)
[00:05:15] <neXyon> any ideas from the pros? xpoint? rob0?
[00:05:45] <neXyon> or adaptr? you've been useful too xD
[00:06:39] <adaptr> squirrel allows you to configure separate accounts, yes
[00:06:55] <adaptr> there is no requirement for the MTA to be local, or just the one
[00:08:53] <xpoint> squirrelmail is just a php based imap client
[00:09:23] <xpoint> and it can use smtp or sendmail to send mail with
[00:09:26] <neXyon> is postfix able to send mail via other smtp servers depending on the sender address of a mail? with another username and password?
[00:09:45] <adaptr> depending on tghe account you use
[00:09:52] <adaptr> sender address has nothing to do with this
[00:10:04] <neXyon> well it actually does
[00:10:04] <xpoint> neXyon, describe why you need postfix to be dump ignoreing mx records
[00:11:15] <xpoint> logs ?
[00:11:16] <adaptr> neXyon: okay, goo dluck
[00:11:17] <neXyon> well, I don't think all my mail accounts will accept my home server as a relay?
[00:11:55] <adaptr> neXyon: your "mail accounts" don't accept anything "as a relay" - they're fairly distinct concepts
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[00:12:02] <xpoint> use smtp as your isp says so
[00:12:37] <neXyon> I meant, cannot forward postfix my mails just like my client would send them directly?
[00:13:03] <xpoint> default postfix send via mx
[00:13:43] <neXyon> xpoint: but that's the problem, the mail servers won't accept mail from my home brew server?!
[00:13:49] <adaptr> neXyon: if you configure it thusly, yes
[00:13:50] <xpoint> but if you have a static ip where your other server is then use relayhost on the local at home
[00:14:05] <neXyon> no, I use dyndns...
[00:14:27] <xpoint> if you use dyndns it woirks
[00:14:42] <xpoint> works even this is the point in use dyndns
[00:15:06] <neXyon> so I can simply send mail with my gmx address over my postfix server?
[00:15:16] <xpoint> yes
[00:15:38] <neXyon> and what do I have to do, for this to work?
[00:15:57] <xpoint> setup dyndns in the home server
[00:16:06] <neXyon> dnydns works
[00:16:11] <neXyon> *dyndns
[00:16:29] <xpoint> send me a mail then me at junc dot org
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[00:18:31] <neXyon> error
[00:18:44] <xpoint> what is in log ?
[00:18:44] <neXyon> Relay access denied.
[00:19:03] <rob0> !relay_denied
[00:19:03] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[00:19:16] <xpoint> then dyndns is not working neXyon
[00:19:44] <neXyon> xD
[00:19:49] <neXyon> well, let's see
[00:20:47] <xpoint> neXyon, show the postconf -n on pastebin as stated in /topic
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[00:26:45] <neXyon> xpoint: http://pastebin.com/d10b9a3a9
[00:29:30] <neXyon> xpoint: how do I have to set up dyndns? I thought having my router update my IP on dnydns is enough for dyndns to work? xD
[00:30:22] <xpoint> neXyon, is this postfix box running behind a router (ist must be since there is no wan ip in main.cf but then you need proxy-interfaces=wan-ip this should be updated on boot with postconf -e
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[00:31:43] <xpoint> neXyon, you need to use dyndns HOSTNAME to recieve mail on
[00:32:16] <xpoint> dyndns is basicly a backup mx for your dyndns hostname
[00:33:05] <xpoint> thats for the reciving part, for the sending part you need to get postfix to use relayhost dyndns
[00:33:14] <neXyon> I don't see any IP in main.cf xD
[00:33:21] <xpoint> and if i recall smtp auth to them
[00:33:57] <neXyon> well, I don't need to receive, right now, sending is more important at the moment
[00:34:02] <xpoint> neXyon, /topic says know your unix, postconf -d | grep mynetworks
[00:34:05] <neXyon> is there a howto for that?
[00:35:04] <xpoint> Results for dyndns postfix relayhost: 1. postfix relayhost - Usenet Forums: http://www.usenet-forums.com/alt-comp-mail-postfix/404903-postfix-relayhost.html | 2. dyndns postfix 'n' me - Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15905 | 3. Dyndns blacklisted domains postfix relayhost - alt.privacy.anon ...: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/browse_thread/thread/4916264c7e3e93c5
[00:37:00] <sahil> neXyon: a how to for knowing your unix?
[00:37:13] <neXyon> no, I know my unix
[00:37:15] <neXyon> but not mail xD
[00:37:38] <xpoint> sahil, :)
[00:37:40] <neXyon> xpoint: so I basically have to set dyndns as relay server and use smtp auth?
[00:37:50] <xpoint> bingo
[00:38:10] <neXyon> where does dyndns have a smtp relay server?
[00:38:20] <xpoint> dont ask me :)
[00:38:33] <sahil> lol
[00:38:39] <sahil> use gmail, or something to which you have access.
[00:39:05] <xpoint> sahil, you imply he have a gmail account
[00:39:19] <neXyon> shouldn't I be able to forward any mail to any server with smtp auth?
[00:39:27] <neXyon> I have a gmail account xD
[00:39:44] <xpoint> then
[00:39:59] <xpoint> relayhost=mx.gmail.com
[00:40:33] <xpoint> smtp_sasl_passord= something
[00:40:40] <neXyon> nslookup mx.gmail.com doesn't return anything
[00:40:49] <xpoint> arg i need a beerk :=)
[00:41:18] <xpoint> neXyon, make another signup then and READ the mail :)
[00:42:06] <neXyon> it's not smtp.gmail.com?
[00:42:35] <xpoint> it for sure not smtp.junc.org :))
[00:42:42] <sahil> xpoint: i do not imply any such thing; but i do imply that acquiring a gmail account is a trivial exercise.
[00:43:46] <xpoint> when signed up gmail dont tell how to make smtp auth in outlook work ?, shame on them :)
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[00:44:23] <sahil> they assume a bit more than a monkeys intelligence among their users.  perhaps that is their fault.
[00:44:31] <sahil> s/monkeys/monkey's/
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[00:46:10] <xpoint> neXyon, you just configure postfix as a smtp client only where sasl is using a smtp auth account somewhere
[00:46:57] <neXyon> I think I have to sleep over all that
[00:47:04] <sahil> no, you need to read some documentation.
[00:47:05] <sahil> !sasl
[00:47:06] <knoba> sahil: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[00:47:07] <sahil> seriously.
[00:52:04] <xpoint> sahil, that !sasl is not for client sasl remember that
[00:53:07] <xpoint>  !sasl is the server part in postfix as in smtpd_sasl, but neXyon needs smtp_sasl
[00:53:36] <xpoint> neXyon, do you read me ? :-)
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[00:54:59] <neXyon> sure xpoint
[00:55:29] <neXyon> but I'll go to bed now and retry tomorrow xD
[00:55:41] <neXyon> thanks for your help so far, I think I at least have an idea now, how to go on!
[00:55:49] <xpoint> tomorrow will newer come, hehe
[00:55:56] <neXyon> bad luck xD
[00:56:03] <neXyon> well, good night!
[00:56:19] <xpoint> night and keep asking  here :)
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[00:58:15] <xpoint> sahil, i remember when i started using postfix anything was hard for me, biggest problem i had was to figure out that restrctions was top down order like it is in postfwd when i found that everything gets more easy to understand
[01:00:00] <xpoint> sahil, lets implement gpg into mta level, that will close all spam inn a sec
[01:08:03] <xpoint> well no i sill have to see a spam that is gpg signed
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[01:19:57] <xpoint> http://www.buzzfeed.com/reddit/privacy-pic/
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[01:55:28] <sahil> xpoint: that will also break a myriad of RFCs and cripple the flow of email worldwide.  so, um, no.
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[01:56:16] <xpoint> rfc is not forbidden to reak :)
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[01:56:34] <xpoint> break even
[01:56:57] <sahil> no, we should encourage conformity save for good reason.
[01:57:15] <xpoint> well its just me maybe that still need to see spam gpg signed
[01:58:41] <xpoint> i know its not rfc and there forw not something that will come in a mta soon, buit i wish :)
[01:59:01] <sahil> you miss the point; *regualar* email is rarely gpg signed; so if you required gpg email you would miss lots more legit email than you would spam.  phyrric victory.  however you want to phrase or think about it, it's a bad idea (tm)!
[01:59:10] <sahil> s/regualar/regular/
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[02:03:20] <xpoint> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CustomPlugins  Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::OpenPGP  in mta level
[02:03:49] <sahil> that plugin is weak sauce.
[02:04:13] <xpoint> maybe
[02:04:58] <xpoint> dkim is not better imho, both is signing in the first place
[02:07:46] <xpoint> diff is just sending users cant choise not to dkim sign if there isp/mailhost choice to sign
[02:09:05] <xpoint> smtp auth could be allowed by gpg signed mail and rejected if not
[02:09:29] <xpoint> relay even
[02:09:58] <xpoint> if the users sends spam, remove the public gpg key on mta
[02:10:23] <sahil> no.
[02:10:27] <xpoint> same way as ssh works
[02:10:47] <sahil> dkim is no silver bullet, but it doesn't depend on client to sign emails.
[02:11:47] <xpoint> yes i know that dkim signed mail can still be spam
[02:12:24] <muh2000> dkim ftw
[02:12:27] <xpoint> but if it is, recipient can remove whitelist_auth from that sender addr
[02:13:07] <muh2000> xpoint: yeah but you know who the guy is that has his computer infected or account hacked if the receiving server rejects non signed mail
[02:13:36] <muh2000> providers can better inform their customers when they send spam
[02:13:45] <sahil> ok i am not even following you any more; we're speaking a different language.  but sure, go ahead and start rejecting all non-gpg-signed email.  enjoy solitude. :)
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[02:14:01] <xpoint> then that friend sends me a sms to ask where my reply is
[02:14:10] <muh2000> sahil: of corse you cant do that yet right now.
[02:14:31] <sahil> muh2000: you cannot do that for a loooong time; _that_ is my point; it's a truism to say one cannot do it now.
[02:14:44] <xpoint> sahil, i did not say reject, you did
[02:15:03] <sahil> ok, now it's a semantic discussion?
[02:15:36] <sahil> even if you assign a SPAMMYNESS score (however designed, in SA or otherwise), it will be useless as you will assign spammyness to effectively all legitimate mail flowing throughout these here internets.
[02:15:41] <xpoint> Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::OpenPGP that plugin does not reject since spamassassin cant reject
[02:15:52] <sahil> read what i just wrote.
[02:15:54] <sahil> ^^^
[02:16:04] <sahil> i'm perfectly aware of what SA can and cannot do.
[02:16:19] <sahil> and postfwd, too.  you already know about that, though.
[02:17:04] <sahil> ok, christmas dinner time.  enjoy the nerdiliation, nerds.
[02:17:06] <sahil> :)
[02:17:11] <muh2000> ^^
[02:17:25] <muh2000> what timezone do you live, mars?
[02:17:36] <xpoint> oh, its over here
[02:17:46] <sahil> no, penis breath.  eastern timezone.  eat shit.
[02:17:50] <sahil> BYE!
[02:18:06] <muh2000> bon appetite
[02:18:21] <xpoint> sahil, 10 million flies cant be wroung use microsoft :=)
[02:19:00] <muh2000> anyway marking mail with dkim and hopefully lots of mail providers using it would be nice.
[02:19:09] <muh2000> google and yahoo use it already
[02:19:40] <xpoint> yes, only sahil is the one that lives in dark :)))
[02:19:47] <muh2000> hehe
[02:19:55] * xpoint hiddes
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[02:21:07] <xpoint> problem i see with dkim is that all isp sign all mail, but did not ask sender if thay wanted it
[02:21:57] <muh2000> tos ^^
[02:22:30] <muh2000> it benefits the customer
[02:22:32] <xpoint> tos is wroung there if that must be required to accept this
[02:23:02] <muh2000> "isp may change tos" lots of companies have that
[02:23:27] <xpoint> olso why i have my own mailserver
[02:24:01] <muh2000> i switched it on:)
[02:24:06] <muh2000> for all mail
[02:24:26] <muh2000> and setting is to sign all
[02:24:47] <xpoint> yep, really all should own a soekris router with 2.5" harddisk in and running gentoo :)
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[02:27:04] <muh2000> yeah something like that for everyone would be cool.
[02:27:41] <xpoint> it can be small and good at the same time thats for sure, i still wonder why so many thinks that big is better always
[02:28:33] <muh2000> everything should fit its purpose + a little air for more.
[02:30:21] <xpoint> yes, i just have a lan1641 now, should have a soekris olso, but not to late since thay still sell in my country :)
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[02:34:04] <muh2000> ^^
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[03:06:10] <Jos> How is it possible I just received an email out of 1976? :D
[03:06:34] <Jos> I've had this a few times before, also mail from the future :p
[03:06:36] <adaptr> wormholes
[03:06:59] <rob0> Elvis sent it
[03:07:20] <rob0> A little known fact, he was addicted to email.
[03:07:32] <adaptr> barely, didn't he get abducted in 1977 ?
[03:07:39] <Jos> lol
[03:07:54] <rob0> on my 16th birthday, I was greeted with the headlines.
[03:10:07] <rob0> Fortunately, many of the King's emails are still floating around in mail loops and time warps, so every now and then you will hear about a user getting an email from Elvis.
[03:10:28] <rob0> You could print it and sell it on ebay!
[03:10:43] <Jos> _o-
[03:11:12] <Jos> It's from Adolph Cole
[03:11:17] <adaptr> rob0: that makes you 10 years my senior.. dunno what exactly that's cause for
[03:11:26] <Jos> Some mailspider
[03:11:39] <rob0> Oh yeah, that was one of Elvis' pseudonyms. Look it up at wikipedia!
[03:12:55] <adaptr> what, Elvis' nickname was "mailspider" ? what a coincidence!
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[03:34:37] <Jos> Thanks for the help
[03:34:43] <Jos> I'll send him a mail back to heaven.
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[04:06:30] <quizme> hi,
[04:06:42] <quizme> will somebody help me install postfix.
[04:06:50] <quizme> i've been working on this for 2 days
[04:07:08] <quizme> i'm following the flurdy tutorial
[04:07:43] <quizme> http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/index.html
[04:09:46] <sed_>  not that I can help, but what os?
[04:10:26] <quizme> i'm trying to receive mail at alan at mrturing dot com from yahoo or gmail, but i'm not even getting bounce messages or error logs.
[04:10:54] <sed_> is your mail server up and running?
[04:11:57] <sed_> not from here its now..
[04:12:09] <sed_> now=not
[04:12:14] <sed_> telnet mrturing.com 25
[04:12:15] <sed_> Trying 174.129.249.196...
[04:12:19] <sed_> nothing
[04:12:50] <sed_> try cat /var/log/mailog see if tere are errors
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[04:16:45] <quizme> ubuntu
[04:22:40] <quizme> sed_ is postfix port 25 ?
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[04:24:40] <Jos> SMTP is port 25
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[04:27:54] <quizme> if i install postfix does that give me SMTP ?
[04:28:21] <muh2000> yes
[04:28:45] <quizme> so does that mean port 25 should be open?
[04:28:46] <muh2000> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smtp
[04:29:01] <muh2000> if running, yes
[04:29:46] <muh2000> netstat -nlp | grep master
[04:35:15] <quizme> oh
[04:35:23] <quizme> maybe i have to open up that port cuz i'm on ec2
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[05:04:57] <quizme> ok
[05:05:01] <quizme> i opened up port 25
[05:08:40] <quizme> how can i test if the port is open  and working ?
[05:08:59] <quizme> telnet 174.129.249.196 25
[05:09:01] <quizme>  ?
[05:09:59] <Jos> working
[05:09:59] <Jos> Trying 174.129.249.196...
[05:09:59] <Jos> Connected to 174.129.249.196.
[05:09:59] <Jos> Escape character is '^]'.
[05:09:59] <Jos> 220 domU-12-31-39-03-41-34.localdomain ESMTP Postfix
[05:10:10] <quizme> cool so it works /
[05:10:19] <quizme> how did u do that /
[05:11:13] <Jos> telnet
[05:11:29] <Jos> lithium:~# telnet 174.129.249.196 25
[05:11:42] <quizme> awesome
[05:11:44] <quizme> thanks Jos
[05:11:46] <Jos> http://www.abuse.net/relay.html << it's relay safe
[05:11:59] <quizme> mine is hanging...
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[05:12:09] <Jos> well
[05:12:13] <Jos> some providers block that port
[05:12:17] <Jos> mine too, so I did it from a VPS..
[05:12:20] <quizme> oh
[05:12:24] <quizme> oh i c
[05:12:53] <quizme> awesome
[05:13:04] <quizme> lets see if i can receive email now...
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[05:24:09] <sed_> quizme just telneted in and typed a message to you
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[05:25:43] <quizme> sed_ what do u mean u tyepd a message to me ?
[05:27:18] <quizme> sed_: ok got it thanks!!
[05:27:22] <sed_> telnet port 25
[05:27:23] <quizme> yippeee!!!  It works!!!
[05:27:35] <sed_> mail from:goober at wherever dot edu
[05:27:40] <quizme> i just forgot to turn on my friggin' EC2 port!!!
[05:27:44] <sed_> rcpt to:alan at mrturing dot com
[05:27:46] <sed_> data
[05:27:49] <sed_> bla bla bla
[05:27:50] <sed_> .
[05:28:00] <quizme> i see
[05:28:06] <quizme> so you were speaking SMTPese
[05:28:11] <sed_> yea
[05:28:22] <quizme> yay yay yay yay yay
[05:28:33] <quizme> i've been working on this for 2 days
[05:28:41] <quizme> it's was just that my port wasn't turned on lol
[05:28:48] <sed_> but I dont know jack about post fix.. been running it for a couple of days..
[05:31:16] <quizme> dude
[05:31:20] <quizme> i'm ecstatic
[05:33:29] <sahil> always remember to turn your port on.
[05:35:45] <quizme> yeah seriously...
[05:37:36] <quizme> i'm in sys admin ecstacy now
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[05:40:24] <muh2000> ^^
[05:40:58] <sahil> muh2000: you and youre "^^"
[05:41:14] <sahil> quizme: are you a sysadmin by hobby or profession?
[05:41:14] <muh2000> o_O
[05:41:19] <sahil> .oOo.
[05:41:26] <muh2000> |:+()
[05:41:27] <sahil> ascii artist!
[05:41:51] <muh2000> why you and "youre" ?
[05:42:07] <sed_> im a sys admin cuz I used to be and now I get stuck with it in my new job....
[05:42:27] <sed_> well not even a sys admin... I was a net admin..
[05:45:40] <sahil> muh2000: s/youre/your
[05:45:51] <sahil> if i had meant you're, i would've included the "'". ;-)
[05:45:59] <sahil> *yawn*
[05:46:19] <muh2000> ^^
[05:46:28] <muh2000> now i get it what you meant :)
[05:47:49] <sahil> haha
[05:50:30] <sahil> ok girls, enjoy.
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[06:07:59] <quizme> sahil: hobby i guess.... I'm a ruby programmer.
[06:08:25] <quizme> sahil: i only do as much sysadmin as i have to.  but EC2 is cool, so i'm messing around with it.
[06:08:45] <quizme> oh he's asleep hehe
[06:11:09] <muh2000> sahil: werent you using spamassassin&amavis?
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[14:21:00] <RoyK> hi all. I have a postfix installation as a mail relay in front of a few other boxes (I don't want exchange in front). Is it possible to have postfix reroute a message to a particular recipient, or even, cc: that to someone on the way?
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[15:09:17] <xpoint> for the log why did RoyK ask anything
[15:18:26] <Dominian> hehe
[15:18:28] <Dominian> !transport
[15:18:28] <knoba> Dominian: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[15:18:29] <Dominian> ftw
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[16:18:38] <neXyon> greetings
[16:18:42] <neXyon> xpoint: here I am!
[16:18:46] <neXyon> rocking like a hurricane
[16:18:47] <neXyon> xD
[16:20:45] * f3ew hits neXyon with a Force 13 response
[16:20:58] <neXyon> thanks f3ew
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[16:46:00] <neXyon> what's the best way to add SASL support
[16:46:08] <neXyon> cyrus-sasl?
[16:46:14] <Dominian> dovecot ftw
[16:48:04] <neXyon> ok, let's see how that works
[16:48:17] <Dominian> it works quite well
[16:48:20] <Dominian> and very easy to maintain
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[16:52:02] <neXyon> ah, according to my dovecot and postfix configuration, sasl is already configured xD
[16:52:11] <Dominian> hehe
[16:52:58] <neXyon> so it's a good howto I used xD
[16:53:02] <Dominian> heh
[16:53:07] <neXyon> except that I still don't know what all that stuff is xD
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[16:58:22] <neXyon> is it possible to use gmail as a email relay server instead of my ISP?
[16:58:52] <Dominian> Yep
[16:58:57] <Dominian> but you'd probably have to to authenticated sending
[16:59:06] <neXyon> that means?
[16:59:06] <Dominian> basically turn your transport into an smtp-auth client
[16:59:08] <Dominian> whichi s doable
[16:59:19] <neXyon> yep, that's what I want
[16:59:37] <neXyon> so I add my auth settings into /etc/postfix/salsauth ?
[16:59:46] <neXyon> I mean /etc/postfix/salspass
[17:00:54] <Dominian> that.. nto sure.. its been a while since I did that
[17:01:19] <neXyon> I see
[17:03:03] <neXyon> I'm following the guide: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Email_System_for_the_Home_Network - except that I use dovecot
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[17:03:19] <Dominian> ah
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[17:04:08] <neXyon> and another distro xD
[17:08:08] <xpoint> neXyon, relayhost=foo.example.com
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[17:08:21] <neXyon> xpoint: greetings xD
[17:08:24] <neXyon> xpoint: I know
[17:08:43] <xpoint> smtpd_password_maps=hash:/saslpass
[17:08:54] <xpoint> in saslpass
[17:09:04] <neXyon> xpoint: I already read that in my guide...
[17:09:14] <xpoint> foo.example.com user:password
[17:11:10] <xpoint> smtpd :/ i ment smtp_
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[20:06:51] <error4o4> what do you think of additionally running  dovecot pop3-imap,  amavis clamav spamassassin. I guess its ok but consuming about 80MB RAM which is too much for my 256MB VPS :/   Do you use AV at all on web servers?
[20:08:54] <xpoint> my first mailserver had freebsd 4.9 one 20GB disk for system, one 20GB disk for data, and yes only 256M ram :)))
[20:11:30] <xpoint> AV on web is nice way to check if one have phising holes in the web
[20:11:57] <error4o4> i run debian as a webserver and its consuming about 120MB (apache,mysql,bind,syslog,xinet)  with no Mail software installed
[20:12:52] <xpoint> but one should not have it unless users upload that crap, or apache have write access to web root dir or unix permissions permit world writes to disk
[20:13:45] <xpoint> you belive this is waste of ram ?
[20:14:12] <error4o4> xpoint: well not sure, thats why i ask whether its better to leave it on
[20:15:04] <xpoint> default linux/unix always use all availbe ram that can be used, why not ?
[20:15:37] <error4o4> xpoint: ok, i'll go with it, and see later how everything goes
[20:15:43] <xpoint> but its just what ram is used for that are more important
[20:16:48] <xpoint> amavisd temp dir can be on tmpfs to save disk io
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[20:28:44] <sahil> amavisd temp dir on tmpfs is *highly* recommended!
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[20:42:07] <xpoint> sahil, i know that :)
[20:42:25] <muh2000> is there a test spam service on the net?
[20:42:27] <sahil> muh2000: was i using SA&amavisd-new?  yes.  why do you ask?
[20:42:36] <muh2000> forgot ^^
[20:42:37] <sahil> muh2000: define 'test spam service'.
[20:43:11] <muh2000> i enter my email address in a form on a webpage and seconds later i have a spam like email in my box for training
[20:43:33] <sahil> spam to you is not spam to another, hence the difficulty of having such a service.
[20:43:48] <sahil> just plaster your email on a few web sites and usenet postings, and i am sure the spam will start flowing. :-)
[20:44:05] <muh2000> copying email like v1agra or pen1s enlarger and sending them out :D
[20:44:12] <muh2000> lol
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[20:44:19] <xpoint> sahil, he did not find one in amavisd tarball there is a GTube spamtest maf there if i remember or was it in spamassassin tarball
[20:45:31] <muh2000> sahil: regarding amavis and SA: i think i wanted to know how te setup modules like DKIM or SPF to reject non auth domains ^^
[20:46:06] <xpoint> postfix milters can do this for you
[20:46:25] <xpoint> but dkim testing needs body :/
[20:46:35] <muh2000> xpoint: body?
[20:46:53] <xpoint> dkim headers cant be tested from header
[20:47:06] <muh2000> o_O
[20:47:10] <xpoint> spf can
[20:47:32] <muh2000> well the dkim and spf setup is working according to the header information...
[20:48:05] <muh2000> i only wonder how can i drop mail that doesnt have spf and/or dkim
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[20:50:12] <xpoint> muh2000, try to send a mail to sa-test at sendmail dot net and wait for a reply
[20:51:14] <muh2000> xpoint: already did that. says GOOD to all
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[20:51:24] <xpoint> muh2000, i say milters one more time
[20:52:19] <xpoint> Mark_knopfler < what he uses postfix ? :;-)))
[20:54:10] <muh2000> milters looks meh
[20:59:03] <xpeed> MX Records are only to recive email messages? or is used to send them too?
[21:00:05] <xpeed> i mean when a message is being sent
[21:13:31] <xpeed> do somebody have implemented a Mail System over two Independent DSL channels of a two different ISPs for resilence?
[21:14:32] <muh2000> xpeed: wouldnt be a problem i guess ^^
[21:14:42] <muh2000> add 2 MX records ^^
[21:14:49] <muh2000> one for each dsl line...
[21:14:52] <xpeed> i have them
[21:15:00] <muh2000> hopefully you cen do rdns on them
[21:15:03] <xpeed> mx1 point to one
[21:15:07] <xpeed> mx2 to the other
[21:15:39] <xpeed> but the A record only point to the first
[21:16:32] <muh2000> forgot to add the A for the other host?
[21:16:42] <xpeed> and i do not want to turn ion the secoind link
[21:16:49] <xpeed> and get problems about dns
[21:17:08] <muh2000> you have to to work with both
[21:17:13] <xpeed> i can add a A record but
[21:17:22] <xpeed> look i have it like this
[21:17:38] <xpeed> domain.tld point only to one IP
[21:17:56] <xpeed> and mx1.domain.tld point to first DSL Channel (same ip that domain.tld)
[21:18:08] <xpeed> mx2.domain.tld point tow the second DSL Channel
[21:18:22] <rob0> 19:43 < sahil> spam to you is not spam to another, hence the difficulty of having such a service.
[21:18:30] <rob0> I don't agree ... spam is UBE
[21:18:43] <rob0> if it was solicited, it's not spam
[21:18:46] <xpeed> but i can't set an A record two two differents IPs from my DNS panel
[21:19:40] <rob0> The only gray areas are non-confirmed opt-in spammers. Some people do solicit those.
[21:19:46] <muh2000> as long as the mxX.domain.tld have their ips everything is ok
[21:20:34] <xpeed> i have them
[21:20:37] <xpeed> well
[21:20:48] <xpeed> ill turn the second DSL channel on
[21:20:54] <xpeed> and  i'll test it xD
[21:20:55] <muh2000> host -t mx yourdomain.tld
[21:20:59] <muh2000> should list both
[21:21:03] <muh2000> if so = ftw
[21:21:15] <rob0> You need to know how to set up multiple routing in your OS.
[21:22:12] <muh2000> rob0: when he wants to do multihoming
[21:22:27] <xpeed> yes
[21:22:34] <rob0> right, I know. I have done it in Linux.
[21:22:50] <xpeed> xpeed@Bunker ~ $ host -t mx construvicol.com
[21:22:51] <xpeed> construvicol.com mail is handled by 10 mx1.construvicol.com.
[21:22:51] <xpeed> construvicol.com mail is handled by 20 mx2.construvicol.com.
[21:22:56] <xpeed> like than is alright?
[21:22:59] <xpeed> that*
[21:23:11] <rob0> mx2 is going to be hit much harder by the spammers
[21:23:26] 
[21:24:21] <xpeed> rob0, why "mx2 is going to be hit much harder by the spammers" ?
[21:24:44] <rob0> Because ... that is what spammers do!
[21:24:56] <muh2000> xpeed: looks ok
[21:25:02] <xpeed> oks
[21:25:14] <rob0> they target the lower priority MXen ... this is not news
[21:25:21] <xpeed> only neet to my ISP make the changes for PTR recs.
[21:25:21] <xpeed> xD
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[21:31:19] <xpeed> rob0, in my case there is only one Mail Server
[21:31:25] <xpeed> but two different DSL Channels
[21:31:29] <xpoint> xpeed, one mx with 2 a record is nice
[21:31:41] <xpeed> trough a 2 Wan ports Rouert for load balancing
[21:32:13] <xpeed> xpoint, i got the DNS translation Service with cdmon.com
[21:32:17] <rob0> Still, you will see more connections on mx2.
[21:32:38] <xpeed> and at their panel is not posible set two A records for one domain.tld
[21:33:03] <xpeed> rob0, oks, thank for the info, i will have it very present
[21:33:07] <xpoint> xpeed, bad dns service !
[21:33:24] <xpeed> unfourntunly i do not know any other =/
[21:33:33] <xpeed> works great with 1 DSL Channel
[21:33:47] <xpeed> but with two..  soon we will see..
[21:33:52] <xpeed> it.
[21:33:55] <xpoint> xpeed, but my current web host have hardcoded 2 mx records shame on them
[21:34:27] <rob0> No other DNS service?
[21:35:13] <xpoint> http://web.gratisdns.dk/?q=en
[21:35:53] <rob0> cdmon.com is a registrar, there are hundreds of those
[21:36:22] <rob0> xpeed, I think you're in way over your head.
[21:36:27] <xpoint> only to hide millions ? :)
[21:36:31] <xpeed> please give me a sec, phone
[21:36:39] <Dominian> why what did I miss?
[21:37:00] <xpeed> ok,
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[21:37:23] <rob0> This xpeed is wanting to have a dual-homed Postfix, and doesn't seem to be very fluent in networking.
[21:37:37] <xpeed> xD
[21:37:53] <xpeed> thet is not correct, i am not very fluent with DNS service at mail level =)
[21:38:03] <rob0> You need to be.
[21:38:07] <xpeed> i know
[21:38:12] <tobias-> ifconfig rob0 down :o
[21:38:15] <Dominian> eh
[21:38:17] <xpeed> haha
[21:38:33] <Dominian> xpeed: are you using the two DSL lines in fail over or load balancing?
[21:38:38] <xpoint> interface not found
[21:38:42] <xpeed> dogmeat, i am
[21:38:58] <Dominian> tab completion: 1   xpeed: 0
[21:39:08] <xpoint> Dominian, why not both ?
[21:39:19] <xpeed> but, my doubt is about if only MX recs are enough to put them on
[21:39:22] <xpeed> Dominian, sorry
[21:40:04] <xpoint> better answers get better questions :)
[21:42:29] <xpoint> xpeed, you remember that mx is only needed when mta have another ip then the web server pr domain ?
[21:42:47] <rob0> I would do a single hostname as MX, two A records for that name.
[21:43:08] <Dominian> yep
[21:43:11] <Dominian> that's what I'd do
[21:43:21] <Dominian> DNS with mail.whatever.tld  with two A records
[21:43:29] <Dominian> set the mail.whatever.tld to the MX record... done
[21:43:34] <xpoint> (round robin mx)
[21:43:39] <rob0> I'd make that name $myhostname and set both PTRs thereto.
[21:43:40] <Dominian> aye
[21:43:44] <xpeed> at sintesys.. MX record is the record wich will need to the mail trasnfers isn't it?
[21:44:11] <xpeed> A records are only for http, ftp or similar communications is alright?
[21:44:13] <rob0> huh?
[21:44:22] <xpeed> or i am writing dumb things? xD
[21:44:26] <rob0> Very.
[21:44:26] <xpeed> am i*
[21:44:37] <xpoint> xpeed, A records is olso for smtpd
[21:44:39] <xpeed> haha jesus my english does not help me either
[21:44:50] <Dominian> A records are any IP address that is assigned to a DNS name...
[21:44:51] <xpoint> xpeed, you remember that mx is only needed when mta have another ip then the web server pr domain ?
[21:44:59] <rob0> Whatever human language you use, you need to know more about DNS.
[21:45:16] <Dominian> Its always good practice to use an MX record.. that way servers aren't having to check DNS a second time for the A record for the domain :P
[21:45:22] <xpeed> yes, i am conscient about that.
[21:45:44] <rob0> the A lookup is still required
[21:45:51] <xpoint> Dominian, i wish spammers stop sending mail to A records :)
[21:45:55] <Dominian> xpoint: You and I both
[21:45:59] <rob0> but normally they come in the same reply
[21:46:04] <Dominian> rob0: oh true
[21:46:12] <Dominian> unless they are smart and do dig domain.tld mx :P
[21:46:31] <Dominian> anyway.. I always set MX regardless
[21:46:33] * Dominian shrugs
[21:46:51] <Dominian> makes this easier if you end up moving your mail server to a new IP
[21:47:07] <Dominian> That doesn't happen to be on the same A record as the rest of the domain
[21:47:15] <xpoint> Dominian, MX is not requered when A listen on port 25
[21:47:40] <Dominian> xpoint: true, but what happens if the MX is on a different IP and the A doesn't listen on port25?
[21:47:49] <Dominian> here at work.. our A record doesn't listen on 25.. our MX does ;P
[21:48:06] <Dominian> its better to be prepared than have to prepare for it later
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[21:48:15] <neXyon> xpoint: sry, I'm back
[21:48:20] <xpoint> xpeed, you remember that mx is only needed when mta have another ip then the web server pr domain ? < Dominian read it :)
[21:48:28] <Dominian> xpoint: I did read it
[21:48:32] <rob0> What's funny is when A and MX differ. Spammers sometimes hit the A.
[21:48:39] <Dominian> I'm adding on the stipulation what IF you want to move the MX to a different IP from the A :P
[21:48:43] <Dominian> rob0: yep
[21:48:44] <rob0> I saw that on my old MX a lot.
[21:48:54] <Dominian> rob0: I see that a lot as well with clients that we do spam filtering for
[21:49:02] <xpeed> xpoint, unfortunely i don't get your ide
[21:49:03] <xpeed> idea
[21:49:08] <Dominian> and the only way to fix that.. is to block everything except our servers
[21:49:22] <Dominian> xpeed: If the MX and the A are the same thing.. you don't need an MX recorfd is what he's saying
[21:49:27] <xpoint> rob0, i see spammers use my message-id as email domain, ha stupid spammers
[21:49:36] <Dominian> mail servers will default to the A record for a domain if an MX doesn't exist
[21:49:56] <rob0> xpoint, good reason to NOT have a wildcard A :)
[21:50:06] <Dominian> hehe
[21:50:08] <Dominian> yeah...
[21:50:12] <xpeed> my fear (i know that is not the word but..) is that i have only a possiblity to creat an A record for my domain name
[21:50:12] * Dominian can speak from experience on that one...
[21:50:16] <Dominian> wild card A sucks
[21:50:19] <xpeed> i have already my two mx records
[21:50:26] <rob0> Seriously, if I do a wildcard at all, I use a CNAME.
[21:50:31] <xpeed> pointing to my two independent DSL channels
[21:50:34] <xpeed> but
[21:50:34] <xpoint> rob0, yeah right i turn down webmail now, problem solved
[21:50:42] <xpeed> i do not want recive the message saying
[21:50:52] <Dominian> rob0: CNAMe... you mean *  CNAME domain.tld?
[21:50:56] <xpeed> "you are sending mail from a IP that not belongs to your domain"
[21:50:58] <xpeed> bla bla
[21:51:01] <xpeed> already happen.
[21:51:08] <rob0> Dominian, yes.
[21:51:09] <xpeed> i'll get a DNS curse
[21:51:10] <Dominian> xpeed: You have to add those IPs into $mynetworks
[21:51:15] <Dominian> rob0: haha that's not a bad idea actually
[21:51:19] <rob0> or CNAME @
[21:51:23] <Dominian> ahh
[21:51:30] <Dominian> yeah that makes sense rob0
[21:51:56] <xpoint> CNAME is forbinden with MX
[21:52:14] <Dominian> yep
[21:52:26] <Dominian> but if you don't need an MX because your A is the same.. who cares! :)
[21:52:50] <xpoint> only mail admins do :)
[21:53:00] <Dominian> heh
[21:53:11] <xpeed> i didn't think that DNS service was so deep, and so usefull... and so painful at my case but
[21:53:15] <xpeed> with time...
[21:53:16] <xpeed> xD
[21:53:26] <xpeed> i will test
[21:53:42] <Dominian> Trust me.. if you stick to it.. and understand it.. things get easier
[21:53:50] <Dominian> and rob0 tends to stop lashing you
[21:53:51] <Dominian> hehe
[21:53:58] <xpeed> not other way  i have to test if i am wrong (what is very vry possible... almost inminent)
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[21:54:19] <xpeed> thank you guys
[21:54:23] <xpeed> for the info.
[21:54:28] <Dominian> no problem
[21:54:59] <neXyon> xpoint: Dec 26 21:57:50 server postfix/smtpd[2495]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from workstation[192.168.1.16]: 554 5.7.1 <myaccount at gmx dot com>: Relay access denied; from=<myaccount at gmail dot com> to=<myaccount at gmx dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<[192.168.1.16]>
[21:55:53] <xpoint> neXyon, 192.168.1.16 < why is this missing in mynetworks ?, or did you miss permit_mynetworks ?
[21:56:02] <rob0> !relay_denied
[21:56:03] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[21:56:05] <neXyon> I guess  I know what xD
[21:57:27] <neXyon> hmm
[21:57:50] <neXyon> so if I connect from the internet to my mail server at home to send mail, it won't work without adding my internet ip to the mynetworks variable?
[21:57:59] <rob0> !sasl
[21:58:00] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[21:58:22] <Macjust> !cheeseburger
[21:58:23] <Macjust> ?
[21:58:23] <knoba> Macjust: Error: "cheeseburger" is not a valid command.
[21:58:31] <xpoint> one could get laysay and use squirrelmail :)
[21:58:33] <Macjust> :(
[22:01:46] <xpoint> courier-imap can use a specifik INBOX.Sent to send mail via imap, i dont know if dovecot can this olso :)
[22:01:51] <neXyon> wohoo I get a bounced status :(
[22:02:39] 
[22:02:43] <xpeed> !dns
[22:02:44] <knoba> xpeed: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
[22:02:50] <xpeed> :o
[22:02:55] <neXyon> status=bounced (host smtp.gmail.com[72.14.221.109] said: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first.
[22:03:05] <neXyon> why doesn't postfix do that? xD
[22:03:50] <xpoint> smtp_tls see that in main.cf ?
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[22:05:24] <neXyon> no
[22:05:34] <neXyon> only smtpd_tls
[22:06:00] <xpeed> smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes (?)
[22:06:05] <xpoint> missing STARTTLS means that sasl and tls is not enablled
[22:06:41] <xpoint> dont confuses smtpd_ with smtp_
[22:07:02] <neXyon> wohoo my email got relayed
[22:07:37] <xpoint> then test:
[22:07:38] <xpeed> hwen you relay your mails over other mail server like gmail
[22:07:49] <xpoint> sendmail -bv me at junc dot org
[22:07:52] <xpeed> gmail also mus to recive the mails that go for your domain?
[22:07:55] <xpoint> see the logs :)
[22:08:03] <neXyon> wohoo
[22:08:05] <xpeed> and you have to "download it" ?
[22:08:23] <neXyon> I could even use gmail as relay to send a mail from my ISP mail account to my gmx account, is that normal? xD
[22:08:53] <xpoint> neXyon, as long gmail auth you yes
[22:09:06] <neXyon> I do auth xD
[22:09:37] <neXyon> so I'd even be able to send from faked mail adresses? like blabla at blabla dot com?
[22:09:37] <xpoint> neXyon, take a beer then
[22:10:31] <neXyon> someone could abuse that to send spam, or not?
[22:10:50] <xpoint> only on domains that miss spf and dkim
[22:11:11] <neXyon> spf and dkim? that's what? xD
[22:11:23] <xpoint> and if gmail see you send spam then your auth will get removed
[22:26:00] <neXyon> ok
[22:26:07] <neXyon> only 4 problems left on my list
[22:26:09] <neXyon> xD
[22:26:41] <xpoint> more beer's left ? :)
[22:26:46] <neXyon> oh no
[22:26:49] <neXyon> I only have one
[22:26:58] <neXyon> and will open it after being really finished
[22:27:11] <xpoint> super
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[22:40:47] <neXyon> oh nice
[22:41:23] <neXyon> Dec 26 22:44:34 server postfix/pipe[2850]: CE97A2BEE5: to=<user@domain>, relay=dovecot, delay=14, delays=14/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: Can't open log file /var/log/mail.log: Permission denied )
[22:42:08] <neXyon> xpoint: do you know which user dovecot uses to write to the log?
[22:43:54] <Dominian> eh.. dovecot.. as far as I know doesn't write directly to the log.. unless you pointed its imapd logs AT mail.log
[22:44:34] <Dominian> postfix writes to the syslog mail info level
[22:44:44] <Dominian> dovecot has its own logs to write to and can be configured in dovecot.conf
[22:45:37] <neXyon> ah, let's see
[22:46:52] <Dominian> and those would be owned the user that dovecot runs ass iirc
[22:46:54] <Dominian> er..
[22:46:55] <Dominian> as
[22:47:10] <Dominian> at least group owned by the group that it runs as
[22:50:19] <neXyon> ok, Dominian, I've set new log files in the configuration, touched these files, set permissions and it still doesn't work :/
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[22:50:46] <Dominian> You restarted postfix?
[22:50:48] <Dominian> and dovecot?
[22:51:05] <neXyon> ah
[22:51:09] <neXyon> it uses the mail user oO
[22:55:17] <Dominian> so its working
[22:55:19] <Dominian> ?
[22:55:23] <neXyon> yes
[22:55:27] <Dominian> good!
[22:55:28] <neXyon> at least this is working
[22:55:28] * xpoint does not work
[22:55:44] <neXyon> now let's find out, why php sendmail doesn't work :-/
[22:56:19] <xpoint> spammers turn it down with a ddos :)
[22:56:48] <neXyon> I hope not
[22:56:57] <xpoint> logs shows ?
[23:00:47] <neXyon> ah, works now
[23:01:12] <xpoint> hope the beer is still cold :)))
[23:01:24] <neXyon> well, not all problems solved xD
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[23:04:42] <rob0> I think the best advice is, don't play with pipe(8) if you don't know enough about Unix to understand it.
[23:05:33] <rob0> How much you want to bet, the fix was "chmod 666 /var/log/mail.log"?
[23:06:14] <neXyon> 1000 euros
[23:06:53] <rob0> 21:51 < neXyon> it uses the mail user oO
[23:07:11] <neXyon> rob0: ls -l /var/log/dovecot*
[23:07:21] <rob0> It uses whatever user you set up the pipe transport to use.
[23:08:42] <neXyon> is it okay to use the same SSL certificates for HTTPS, IMAPS and SMTP TLS?
[23:09:40] <snappy> sure, but you would probably want to use consistant hostnames or have one of those multiple hostname ssl certs
[23:10:18] <rob0> I use the same one for all SSL services on any given host.
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[23:12:32] <neXyon> the servers (https, smtp and imaps) all run on the same server, so it's the same host, right?
[23:15:30] * xpoint reboots
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[23:23:28] <Dominian> yes it is the same host
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[23:26:40] <neXyon> ok the next problem is: getting squirrelmail to send mails :/
[23:33:15] <neXyon> solved
[23:33:15] <neXyon> xD
[23:33:31] <neXyon> 2 more things... xD
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[23:50:54] <neXyon> how can I configure postfix to let my laptop connect from the internet and relay mail? :/
[23:52:04] <growltiger> sasl auth
[23:52:23] <neXyon> how can I configure my thunderbird to use that?
[23:52:24] <rob0> and this was already asked and answered
[23:52:39] <neXyon> not for my client xD
[23:52:52] <rob0> um, probably poke around in the thunderbird settings, find a channel to ask
[23:53:43] <neXyon> does SASL have something to do with SSL / TLS settings or not?
[23:54:38] <dragonheart> does having an irc channel exclude the need to do basic searching?
[23:54:52] <neXyon> yes xD
[23:54:55] <neXyon> no... :(
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