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[00:34:53] <BuenGenio> xpoint, are you still there for a quick q?
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[00:41:35] <xpoint> nope :)
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[01:33:30] <sahil> xpoint: are you all set with your postfwd question?  your syntax was totally off, hence the problem.
[01:33:51] * rob0 is set
[01:34:15] <sahil> rob0: you must be, spoon-feeding how to read the f-in docs on the list today. :)
[01:34:24] <rob0> sorry
[01:34:48] <xpoint> sahil, i hope i have it right now, but testers is all rbl blacklisted :)
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[01:35:03] <sahil> don't apologize; people who are wrong _and_ over confident should apologize!
[01:35:12] <sahil> xpoint: you could just test from your own server. ;)
[01:35:14] <rob0> like me?
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[01:35:50] <xpoint> sahil, no permit_mynetworks disables policy
[01:36:04] <sahil> rob0: no, exactly not you!
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[01:36:24] <sahil> xpoint: right, hence the word 'test' -- put postfwd before that momentarily.
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[01:37:55] <sed_> what controls who you want the mail to be sent from in the header?
[01:38:35] <xpoint> rule numbers in postfwd is olso order for in with order the rules apply i hope hence make whitelist before blacklist rules not the reverse ?:)
[01:41:39] <sahil> sed_: you can control that if your MUA allows you to edit headers.  for example, i can edit headers when composing mail in mutt.
[01:45:50] <sed_> and post fix will leave those alone? I guess I have to figure out how to change them in openwebmail.. I thought postfix had somthing that did that overrid your MUA
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[01:59:36] <BuenGenio> xpoint, `amavisd showkeys` output the following: foo._domainkey.steelhead.com.  3600 TXT (
[01:59:36] <BuenGenio>   "v=DKIM1; p={key} "  )
[01:59:51] <BuenGenio> what part of the output actually goes into the TXT record?
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[02:01:18] <BuenGenio> xpoint, i only have 3 input fields in the DNS control panel - hostname, address and record type
[02:02:01] <xpoint> the whole part
[02:02:17] <xpoint> escept "
[02:02:41] <xpoint> take care of linewraps
[02:03:20] <xpoint> when amavisd testkeys says ok then it works
[02:05:21] <BuenGenio> except which part?
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[02:17:09] <sahil> BuenGenio: everything starteing from the v
[02:17:44] * sahil cannot spell, clearly.
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[02:24:59] <Jacolyte> "fatal: open database /usr/local/postfix/etc/virtual_mailbox.db: Bad file descriptor" -- what's this mean?
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[02:31:37] <tibyke> Jacolyte, you have problems with reading?
[02:32:02] <Jacolyte> no >_>
[02:32:19] <tibyke> man postmap ?
[02:32:22] <Jacolyte> I have problems with comprehending
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[02:41:57] <xpoint> sahil, http://gate.junc.org/postfwd.conf test it
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[02:47:59] <xpoint> sahil, Transaction failed Server replied: 554 5.7.1 <me at junc dot org>: Recipient address rejected: sender equal to recipient
[02:48:15] <xpoint> postfwd rooks !
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[02:52:24] <Jacolyte> k, i ran postmap now I get: open database /usr/local/postfix/etc/virtual_mailbox.db: Invalid argument
[02:53:05] <snappy> what was the command.
[02:53:24] <Jacolyte> this is in the log file
[02:53:32] <Jacolyte> when trying to send myself an email
[02:53:41] <snappy> what was the command.
[02:53:47] <Jacolyte> postmap
[02:53:54] <snappy> oh just postmap, hm.
[02:54:11] <snappy> i get usage help.
[02:57:27] <rob0> maybe "postmap /usr/local/postfix/etc/virtual_mailbox" ?
[02:57:31] <Jacolyte> oh k, going back in my command hsitory... yeah
[02:57:38] <Jacolyte> virtual_mailbox.db
[02:57:51] <rob0> yup, invalid argument
[02:58:07] <Jacolyte> it said i had a duplicate entry when i ran that
[02:58:14] <Jacolyte> so i fixed it
[02:58:25] <Jacolyte> and then nothing happens when i run postmap again on the virtual_mailbox.db file
[02:58:26] <xpoint> will not create virtual_mailbox.db.db ?
[02:58:50] <rob0> The input file to postmap(1) must be TEXT
[02:59:20] <Jacolyte> it was text
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[02:59:33] <rob0> 01:58 < Jacolyte> and then nothing happens when i run postmap again on the virtual_mailbox.db file
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[02:59:55] <Jacolyte> oh, welp, now i have virtual_mailbox.db.db
[03:00:01] <Jacolyte> O_o
[03:00:45] <rob0> Be thankful, some people have nothing!
[03:01:18] <Jacolyte> oh k, so postmap generates the .db file
[03:01:21] <Jacolyte> lulz
[03:02:32] <tibyke> *sigh*
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[03:25:31] <growltiger> polish
[03:26:06] <shasta> oops, EWIN, sorry :)
[03:27:17] <Jacolyte> woo, i was able to send myself an email
[03:27:35] <Jacolyte> !
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[03:49:09] <quizme> how can u tell what version of postfix you're running?
[03:50:52] <rob0> !mail_version
[03:50:53] <knoba> rob0: "mail_version" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The version of the mail system. Stable releases are named major.minor.patchlevel. Experimental releases also include the release date. The version string can be used in, for example, the SMTP greeting banner.
[03:51:21] <rob0> This is not quite true ... "a configuration parameter in the main.cf". It's read-only.
[03:51:57] <quizme> i'm just wondering if i'm running postfix 1 or postfix 2
[03:52:00] <quizme> how can i tell that ?
[03:52:56] <rob0> "postconf mail_version", and you should read some documentation.
[03:53:18] <quizme> 2.5.1 thanks
[03:53:48] <quizme> and i'm reading documentation: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html
[03:53:58] <rob0> good one :)
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[05:17:26] <BuenGenio> does a selector._domainkey TXT record require its own IN A ?
[05:18:09] <BuenGenio> i've added a _domainkey record to the TXT of my domain, but adding foo._domainkey gets me an "Invalid hostname error" in the DNS control panel
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[05:41:32] <sahil> BuenGenio: it does not need its own A.
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[05:42:38] <BuenGenio> just tested sending to yahoo, and mail gets "deferred", i.e. rejected again...
[05:42:42] <BuenGenio> any ideas?
[05:43:31] <sahil> just installing dkim will not prevent yahoo from deferring you.
[05:43:44] <sahil> they also check spv and a variety of other things that they don't *really* document or stick to.
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[05:43:53] <sahil> you wll have to try a few things and ultimately try to get on their whitelist, as i did.
[05:44:08] <sahil> otherwise, you will have to live with mail taking longer to eventually get into yahoo, hotmail and other such 'big mailer' inboxes.
[05:44:12] <sahil> s/wll/will/
[05:44:20] <BuenGenio> well, at least i'm clear on the guidelines, a link to which they conveniently provide in my mail log :)
[05:44:34] <BuenGenio> hotmail cleared fine, actually
[05:45:03] <BuenGenio> any suggestions on what i need to tweak to get it working with Yahoo?
[05:49:57] <sahil> i just told you.
[05:49:57] <sed_> sender_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical
[05:50:02] <sahil> try setting up spv too.
[05:50:09] <sed_> that looks like it
[05:50:15] <sahil> and then try getting on the yahoo whitelist.
[05:57:12] <BuenGenio> right, messages are actually being delivered, albeit to the Spam folder...
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[05:58:03] <BuenGenio> is it because DKIM differnet from domainkeys ?
[05:58:09] <BuenGenio> does yahoo only check domainkeys?
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[06:00:23] <BuenGenio> sorry, i actually posted this before getting disconnected: that's funny: Authentication-Results:  mta674.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=steelheadventures.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
[06:00:50] <sahil> BuenGenio: no.
[06:01:05] <sahil> lack of domainkeys does not place mail in spam folder.
[06:01:09] <sahil> something else is going on.
[06:01:20] <sahil> as i've said several times over the last few minutes, you need to try to get on their whitelist!!!!
[06:01:40] <BuenGenio> ok, ok
[06:05:42] <sahil> :)
[06:12:02] <BuenGenio> i have to say, thought, that getting to through to the Spam filter was a major move after setting up DKIM )))
[06:12:35] <BuenGenio> typing obviously broken after an all nighter :)
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[06:15:20] <BuenGenio> sahil, did you mean SPF btw?
[06:16:26] <BuenGenio> I know it says SPV twice, but I can't find what it means
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[06:18:12] <easteregg> merry christmas! i'm wondering how to setup virtual usernames on my domain.. i currently can receive mail for users ON the system which is great.. and i love it, but i don't want to create a user on the system for every username i want to receive mail for..
[06:18:49] <sahil> BuenGenio: typo!  SPF. :)
[06:19:02] <sahil> easteregg: greetings.
[06:19:04] <sahil> !virtual
[06:19:05] <knoba> sahil: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[06:19:11] <BuenGenio> cool, can stick around for another couple of hours then :))
[06:19:13] <easteregg> why thank you!
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[06:31:36] <sahil> BuenGenio: do you run a production server on which users rely?  or is this more of a hobby/personal postfix gig?
[06:31:56] <BuenGenio> sahil, yeah, it's a production box
[06:32:15] <sahil> BuenGenio: so imperative that you get whitelisted @ yahoo, then. :)
[06:32:32] <sahil> it took me a few months, but after filling out the forms and jumping through their hoops, we've not had any problems.
[06:32:33] <BuenGenio> it appears so
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[06:34:08] <sahil> BuenGenio: yahoo might also be ascribing a certain 'spammyness' to email from your server simply because it arrives from ukraine.
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[06:35:19] <BuenGenio> that wouldn't surprise me to be honest...
[06:35:26] * sahil neither
[06:35:46] <sahil> it's unfortunate, but not unexpected based on how some servers apply blanket policies against entire countries.
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[06:36:42] <BuenGenio> sahil, btw, are you also able to send attachments through?
[06:37:06] <BuenGenio> ok, nevermind, that's somehting different
[06:37:13] <BuenGenio> looking at the Postmaster WL application
[06:38:49] <sahil> BuenGenio: cool, good luck w/ it.  hope it works out for you.  and i'm not sure about the attachments, but i imagine so.  i don't correspond directly with any yahoo users but i can check the logs.
[06:39:17] <BuenGenio> i take it you don't have too many complaints from users then...
[06:39:17] <BuenGenio> :)_
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[06:46:22] <sahil> BuenGenio: not after we got whitelisted. :-)
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[07:33:34] <quizme> i'm trying to set up Virtual Hosts, i can receive mail from the same machine, and I can send mail as root at juicyemail dot com, but I am not able to receive email from gmail.com.  can somebody help me?
[07:33:59] <quizme> i mean virtual mailboxes as in: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_mailbox
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[09:38:40] <sed_> how do you figure openwebmail would know about all alternate domains from a server running sendmail
[09:38:55] <sed_> would like to duplicate that with post fix
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[10:44:28] <Stavros> hello
[10:44:37] <Stavros> why does postfix require procmail? what IS procmail/
[10:46:06] <f3ew> Postfix doesn't need procmail
[10:46:14] <f3ew> Procmail is a local delivery agent
[10:46:16] <Stavros> f3ew: it wouldn't deliver local mail without it
[10:46:17] <Stavros> oh
[10:46:19] <Stavros> well that makes sense then
[10:46:31] <f3ew> Some systems have the default set to use procmail
[10:46:53] <Stavros> f3ew: can postfix replace procmail then?
[10:47:03] <f3ew> To some extent
[10:47:19] <f3ew> Postfix's local(8) will deliver, but not do things like sorting mail
[10:47:27] <Stavros> hmm, does procmail run a daemon or is it launched as a process?
[10:47:29] <Stavros> ah, i see
[10:48:57] <Stavros> actually i don't see it in top, so it must not be a daemon
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[11:05:23] <quizme> i'm not able to receive mail from gmail.  how do i debug that?
[11:05:46] <quizme> i'm using postfix virtual mailboxes
[11:05:52] <quizme> or trying to. . . ..
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[11:07:44] <quizme> do i need to configure the relay variable or ...?
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[11:14:46] <CAiRO_> what can i do if foreign mail servers on dial up hosts are directly sending mail to my server.. can i somehow turn a check on in postfix that will only allow other mail servers that do have an mx record set?
[11:17:42] <f3ew> Not a MX record check
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[11:17:49] <f3ew> use the PBL or the SORBS DUHL
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[11:22:46] <CAiRO_> i do have them turned on.. but some mails get beyond that.. even some which fake the from and use one of my domains as from.. and the spf check fails to because somehow neither postfix nor spamassassin know that the remote host is not a smarthost
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[11:24:25] <quizme> http://pastie.org/346614   <---- what does this mean?
[11:25:02] <CAiRO_> f3ew: what about check_recipient_mx_access? doesnt that do what i want?
[11:26:05] <f3ew> no
[11:26:45] <f3ew> (host
[11:26:45] <f3ew> dbitsolutions.com[74.63.10.40] said: 451 Could not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT
[11:26:45] <f3ew> TO command))
[11:27:00] <f3ew> That host has reject_unverified_sender set
[11:29:30] <quizme> what does that mean?
[11:29:52] <quizme> i'm not even hosting dbitsolutions.com
[11:29:55] <f3ew> !reject_unverified_sender
[11:29:56] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "reject_unverified_sender" is not a valid command.
[11:30:23] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[11:32:41] <quizme> f3ew: how do i turn it off?
[11:33:11] <f3ew> Comment out reject_unverified_sender
[11:33:23] <f3ew> Assuming 74.63.10.40 is yours
[11:33:51] <quizme> oh weird
[11:34:03] <quizme> i'm not even on that server
[11:34:56] <quizme> f3ew: i'm trying to receive email to alan at mrturing dot com (I'm hosting mrturing.com) from dbitsolutions at gmail dot com....
[11:35:25] <f3ew> Those logs don't show that :)
[11:36:00] <quizme> f3ew: hmm... weird.  should i look at mail.err, mail.log, or mail.debug ?
[11:36:19] <quizme> f3ew how do i see what's in the pending queue ?
[11:37:23] <CAiRO_> f3ew: hmm, ok, there's also this:  reject_unknown_hostname: reject HELO hostname without DNS A or MX record.
[11:37:38] <CAiRO_> now i only need a rule which doesn't alternativly allow a records
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[11:37:55] <CAiRO_> or does that rule mean it requires both, mx and a record/
[11:37:56] <CAiRO_> ?
[11:38:03] <CAiRO_> i did not have that set yet
[11:38:09] <f3ew> one of them
[11:39:28] <quizme> f3ew how do i see what's in the pending queue ?
[11:40:08] <quizme> what does this mean?  postfix/postfix-script: warning: /var/spool/postfix/etc/hosts and /etc/hosts differ
[11:40:23] <f3ew> mailq
[11:40:25] <f3ew> !chroot
[11:40:25] <knoba> f3ew: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[11:45:01] <quizme> f3ew: thanks, how do you delete stuff in the mail q
[11:45:21] <f3ew> postsuper -d <QUEUEID> or postsuper -d ALL
[11:45:54] <quizme> f3ew: sweet thanks
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[11:54:52] <quizme> f3ew: where did my messages to alan at mrturing dot com go to?  I can't seem to find them in the virtual mailbox, and they weren't bounced back to my gmail account. and they're not in the queue either....
[11:59:24] <quizme> what is /var/spool/postfix for ?
[12:00:48] <f3ew> Mail queueing
[12:02:01] <quizme> oh
[12:02:10] <quizme> that's where my queues message was before i deleted it ?
[12:02:20] <f3ew> yes
[12:02:46] <quizme> do you have an idea of where my lost emails are ?
[12:02:58] <f3ew> no
[12:03:02] <f3ew> but your logs do
[12:03:18] <quizme> /var/log/mail.log?
[12:04:14] <f3ew> I assume so
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[12:08:12] <quizme> when you send an email to say, alan at mrturing dot com..... from outside, does the mail system look for mail.mrturing.com with dig ?
[12:08:37] <quizme> i mean it looks for the ip address of mail.mrturing.com
[12:08:53] <quizme> mail.mrturing.com.	604800	IN	A	174.129.249.196   <--- cuz i have that
[12:09:08] <quizme> so it can find the server i woudl assum
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[12:09:31] <quizme> then the question is did postfix, get wind of the email message
[12:09:39] <quizme> if it did, then what did it do with it
[12:17:21] <f3ew> It looks for the MX record
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[13:12:29] <quizme> dig mrturing.com @ns0.xname.org | grep MX   <--- does this mean there is no mx record ?
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[13:26:53] <f3ew> dig -t MX mrturing.com
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[14:01:10] <quizme> f3ew ok thanks.  so it's there
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[14:54:59] <Akiyuki> Does composing 1 email, with 10 recipients count as 10 emails?
[14:56:21] <sysmonk> it counts as one mail with 10 recipients
[14:56:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:56:57] <sysmonk> it's one mail in the queue, but postfix will deliver 10 different emails (unless all recipients are in the same mx)
[14:57:46] <Akiyuki> oh ok, im limited to like 500 emails per day by my hosting company
[14:58:00] <Akiyuki> wasnt sure if i just put all of them in the to field, if postfix would count it as 1 :D
[14:58:19] <sysmonk> Akiyuki: that's a question to your company
[14:58:34] <sysmonk> they may count recipients, not queued mails
[15:00:04] <Akiyuki> oh ok
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[15:17:45] <neXyon> I'm running dovecot with postfix and tried to send a mail to an account I created but it doesn't work: http://pastebin.com/d18fd3b29
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[17:44:42] <sahil> *yawn*
[17:44:51] <sahil> happy holidays, fellow postmasters and related wannabes.
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[18:11:40] * Akiyuki is a related wannabe
[18:11:54] * xpoint is just myself
[18:12:55] <xpoint> sahil, thanks for help with postfwd, i begin to love that bastard :=)
[18:13:54] <sahil> xpoint: it's such a great thing; still under-appreciated and not as well known as policyd-weight etc. :)
[18:14:57] <xpoint> yes i know, and even less then cluebringer (policys c2 code name)
[18:15:19] <xpoint> s(c/v)i
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[18:16:01] <xpoint> here on gentoo it seems super stable
[18:17:45] <xpoint> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222713 using that ebuild
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[18:31:30] <xpoint> sahil, can i match sender_domain with mx record in current postfwd ?
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[19:21:57] <BuenGenio> good time of day
[19:22:05] <BuenGenio> any idea what this means?  postfix/qmgr[4628]: C912D1271A6: from=<>, size=23589, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[19:22:13] <BuenGenio> from=<> ?
[19:22:18] <devdas> To you too
[19:22:29] <devdas> It's a bounce message being handled by Postfix
[19:22:33] <BuenGenio> connect to bestmobilephonedeals.com:25: Connection refused
[19:22:42] <BuenGenio> from whom?
[19:22:58] <BuenGenio> does this mean i'm backscattering?
[19:23:02] <sahil> lol
[19:23:43] <devdas> BuenGenio: see when the message was injected into Postfix
[19:23:44] <rob0> It could indeed mean that. But more specifically it means that you're expecting magic from #postfix.
[19:23:55] <BuenGenio> hahaha
[19:24:09] <devdas> rob0: but we do have sufficiently advanced technology
[19:24:21] <BuenGenio> devdas, what, time?
[19:24:32] * rob0 checks the permissions on /dev/crystalball
[19:25:02] <devdas> BuenGenio: grep your logs for the first occurence of C912D1271A6
[19:25:03] * sahil interjects
[19:25:09] <sahil> # rm -rf /dev/crystalball
[19:25:14] <sahil> muahahahaha
[19:25:15] * sahil runs away
[19:26:02] <rob0> No worries, it was just a symlink to sahil.
[19:26:31] <BuenGenio> hahahaha
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[19:27:04] <BuenGenio> http://pastebin.ca/1293541
[19:27:33] <BuenGenio> so 4:54
[19:27:55] <sahil> xpoint: not that i'm aware of.
[19:28:07] <sahil> rob0: touche!
[19:28:09] <devdas> Dec 22 01:54:10 byng-systems postfix/smtp[1893]: C912D1271A6: to=<info at bestmobilephonedeals dot com>, relay=none, delay=210576
[19:28:23] <devdas> See the logs for 210576 seconds before that time
[19:29:15] <xpoint> sahil, wanted to make bogusmx live testing in postfwd
[19:29:44] <xpoint> sahil, plugin plugin :)
[19:29:48] <sahil> xpoint: ha.
[19:30:13] <BuenGenio> Dec 19 15:24:33 byng-systems postfix/bounce[28728]: 972601271A5: sender non-delivery notification: C912D1271A6
[19:30:58] <sahil> xpoint: but why would you want to block email form someone at example dot org if the client machine is not the MX for example.org?  that would break email from a lot of large, legitimate senders.  or do i misunderstand your goal?
[19:30:59] <rob0> and when/why did you accept 972601271A5 ...
[19:30:59] <devdas> And what do the logs for 972601271A5 on 19th December say?
[19:31:25] <BuenGenio> ah
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[19:31:44] <rob0> That's a big partition. My queue ID's are much shorter.
[19:32:15] <sahil> rob0: size matters.
[19:32:30] <xpoint> sahil, i myself lost the track now, check_mx_access in postfix still works against cidr rfc1918 maps
[19:32:32] <BuenGenio> ok, i've found the offending message
[19:33:01] <BuenGenio> spam
[19:33:20] <xpoint> sahil, but i belive there is still some more things then that to take care of in a policyd
[19:33:21] <BuenGenio> forgot to take off a default alias on one of the domains.
[19:34:28] <rob0> So why did you accept 972601271A5, and why couldn't you deliver it?
[19:34:33] <rob0> ah
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[19:36:21] <BuenGenio> done
[19:39:00] <BuenGenio> when there's something strange, in your mailqueue, who you gonna call - ?
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[19:47:23] <BuenGenio> cheers, have a great evening
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[23:08:12] <n0sq> is it worth adding the barracuda rbl? i've been reading that it has a high level of false positives
[23:08:46] <rob0> warn_if_reject is your friend
[23:09:16] <growltiger> that is built from all the other barracuda users reporting spam
[23:09:28] <growltiger> i did not see many false positives with it
[23:10:01] <growltiger> if you are talking about a barracude spam device thing
[23:11:43] <n0sq> i'm trying to eliminate as much spam as i can within rejecting legit e-mail
[23:12:19] <rob0> !zen
[23:12:19] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[23:12:27] <rob0> already using zen?
[23:13:05] <n0sq> yes
[23:13:41] <rob0> helo checks like reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname ?
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[23:14:39] <rob0> reject_invalid_helo_hostname too
[23:16:53] <n0sq> i'd have to check - i administer so many servers it's difficult to keep everything straight
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[23:30:10] <neXyon> greetings
[23:30:27] <growltiger> hi!
[23:30:28] <growltiger> wb
[23:30:34] <neXyon> xD
[23:30:43] * neXyon is a bit happy
[23:30:52] <neXyon> I managed it to get postfix and dovecot running
[23:31:13] <neXyon> unfortunately that's only half of what I want to be running
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[23:34:52] <neXyon> under postfixadmin there is a tab for email fetching, does that use another app or is postfix itself aware of this?
[23:35:32] <xpoint> postfix is not a pop3 client
[23:35:56] <xpoint> the fetching in postfixadmin uses fetchamil
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[23:36:10] <xpoint> fetchmail even
[23:36:26] <neXyon> ah, thanks, that's what I thought
[23:36:46] <neXyon> doesn't fetchmail need a cronjob?
[23:36:49] <xpoint> but do consider it unstable
[23:36:57] <neXyon> why unstable?
[23:37:07] <xpoint> even unsecure
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[23:37:39] <xpoint> it makes a temp fetchmailrc with plain passwords in
[23:37:41] <neXyon2> re
[23:37:50] <neXyon2> sry, I've got disconnected
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[23:38:31] <neXyon> what did you answer xpoint?
[23:38:42] <rob0> Where do you want to fetch from?
[23:38:43] <xpoint> but do consider it unstable
[23:38:45] <xpoint> even unsecure
[23:38:48] <xpoint> it makes a temp fetchmailrc with plain passwords in
[23:39:06] <neXyon> ah
[23:40:16] <neXyon> rob0: well, what I really want is: I have several mail accounts (6: 4 IMAP, 2 POP), which I want to be able to access on a single server (my home server), so I'm trying to set up a system for that
[23:40:33] <rob0> I'd do a cron job with getmail(1)
[23:40:51] <rob0> in fact I do access my gmx.net account that way
[23:41:03] <xpoint> or better use imapsync
[23:41:12] <rob0> Why virtual mailboxes?
[23:41:23] <neXyon> is there a way to get the mails from the servers into a maildir structure and have this structure syncronized with the servers (only the IMAP ones, those with POP won't work that way I guess)
[23:41:36] <neXyon> imapsync sounds like that
[23:41:38] <neXyon> xD
[23:41:42] <xpoint> or last resort one single imap mailbox with diff folders pr mail account
[23:41:45] <rob0> rsync(1) can do it too
[23:42:08] <neXyon> xpoint: that's what I want: one imap account on my home server with subfolders for the mail accounts
[23:43:06] <xpoint> set the non home accounts to forward to the home server and make sieve sort it into folders
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[23:43:51] <neXyon> I thought of the imap syncronization for backup reasons
[23:43:55] <xpoint> or use squirrelmail, lol :)
[23:44:11] <neXyon> xpoint: how can I do that with squirrelmail?
[23:44:13] <rob0> 22:41 < rob0> Why virtual mailboxes?
[23:44:37] <neXyon> virtual mailboxes?
[23:44:45] <xpoint> squirrelmail can do fetchmail to
[23:44:57] <rob0> postfixadmin is virtual mailboxes
[23:45:02] <xpoint> from pop3 accounts
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[23:45:15] <muh2000> hi
[23:45:29] <xpoint> 42
[23:45:31] <xpoint> :)
[23:45:35] <neXyon> rob0: what >are< virtual mailboxes, or let's say, what's the difference to normal?
[23:45:51] <neXyon> yep, 42 xD
[23:46:03] <rob0> um, I assumed you made a conscious choice when you installed postfixadmin
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[23:46:17] <muh2000> anyone using domainkeys? i get this msgs:  "Unable to verify signature granularity does not match address"
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[23:46:42] <rob0> The kind of stuff you're talking about is much easier and powerful using Unix accounts, local(8) delivery.
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[23:47:04] <neXyon> unix accounts for that?
[23:47:19] <neXyon> I get confused
[23:47:35] * xpoint get confussed 2
[23:48:18] <xpoint> muh2000, domainkeys as in dkim signing verify ?
[23:48:27] <neXyon> does dovecot monitor its maildir structures? so if getmail fetches the mails into it, will it recognize the new mails?
[23:48:46] <neXyon> I mean notice
[23:49:06] <rob0> My MUA reads the maildirs (through dovecot IMAP) every few minutes
[23:49:06] <adaptr> neXyon: if any clients are connected @ IDLE, they will be notified
[23:49:20] <neXyon> ah, okay that's fine
[23:49:23] <muh2000> xpoint: yes
[23:49:33] <xpoint> yes its nearly one of the questions where the answer is 42 neXyon
[23:49:38] <adaptr> neXyon: apart from that, they have little to do with one another
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[23:49:59] <neXyon> but getmail as well as fetchmail need a cronjob, right?
[23:50:23] <neXyon> or does one have his own daemon?
[23:50:34] <xpoint> neXyon, no you can run them manuel olso
[23:50:37] <rob0> getmail needs cron job, yes. fetchmail can be either cron job or run as a daemon.
[23:50:52] <neXyon> xpoint: well, I know, but I want it automated xD
[23:51:10] <xpoint> neXyon, you will end in hell with it
[23:51:12] <xpoint> :)
[23:51:18] <neXyon> lol
[23:51:36] <neXyon> but both only fetch mails, right? they don't syncronize the imap folders?
[23:52:06] <xpoint> neXyon, its your server at home, its your problem :)
[23:52:13] <neXyon> lol
[23:52:18] <neXyon> I guess so
[23:52:29] <rob0> well, you could pipe to dovecot deliver(1), but I don't bother with that
[23:52:47] <neXyon> so I'll set up a cron daemon with fetch-/getmail and have it also run rsync to backup to a usb stick xD
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[23:53:49] <xpoint> rob0, it makes sense to use deliver (dovecot) from fetchmail without a mta see mda option in fetchmail that way one can use sieve in dovecot
[23:54:30] <xpoint> fetchmail can use imap to
[23:55:01] <rob0> The part that does NOT make sense is using fetchmail in the first place. ;)
[23:55:24] <neXyon> rob0: so what would u use?
[23:55:31] <rob0> I don't know how you'd tell deliver which subfolder to us.
[23:55:40] <rob0> nex, answered above
[23:55:46] <neXyon> unix accounts?
[23:55:46] <neXyon> xD
[23:55:56] <xpoint> neXyon, rob0 would use his friends mailserver :)
[23:56:06] <neXyon> xD
[23:56:18] <rob0> 22:40 < rob0> I'd do a cron job with getmail(1)
[23:56:18] <xpoint> rob0, ssieve
[23:56:43] <rob0> getmail just directly writes to the maildir.
[23:56:57] <neXyon> ok now tell me, what's the big difference between get- and fetchmail?
[23:57:03] <xpoint> it could aswell write anywhere then :)
[23:57:13] <neXyon> ah, so only the direct writing?
[23:57:24] <neXyon> well, to be precise, I don't really mind, which to use xD
[23:57:51] <xpoint> neXyon, dont try squirrelmail
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[23:57:58] <neXyon> why not?
[23:58:06] <neXyon> I thought of it using it as webmail...
[23:58:17] <xpoint> you wont get away from it again :)
[23:58:38] <neXyon> is that a bad thing? and why wouldn't I?
[23:59:00] <rob0> getmail is much newer, written to address problems in fetchmail's way of doing things. See Cazabon's readme and man pages and so on, IIRC he goes into an anti-fetchmail rant.
[23:59:15] <xpoint> no its me that have the question and you have the answer i can only say 42
[23:59:40] <rob0> Cazabon is a qmail groupie, but he's one of the few who are really skilled.





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