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[00:27:53] <Woosta> I want to use procmail for server-side filtering into maildirs, so I've set up a test account to make sure everything is working before I add it to the real accounts. However, postfix isn't firing up procmail. I assume this might be something to do with 'mailbox_command' but wanted to make certain, just in case that buggers up every other (real) users mail
[00:31:37] <Woosta> Found docs :-D  http://wiki.kartbuilding.net/index.php/Procmail_-_setup_with_postfix
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[00:56:44] <c0rleone> why i cant send mail in hotmail  ?
[00:56:48] <c0rleone> anyone knows how fix ?
[00:58:12] <adaptr> don't use hotmail ?
[00:58:38] <adaptr> this channel concerns itself with the postfix MTA, in case the channel name was unclear
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[01:03:58] <rob0> Woo, what kind of filtering? Are you sure .forward files aren't enough? I would only use procmail for complex filtering, which generally wouldn't be done server-side ... because it's personal.
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[04:50:56] <b4|hraban> Hi, just asked this in #mandriva but I guess it applies here, too, so I'll repeat it verbatim:
[04:51:05] <b4|hraban>  Hi, I have a pretty general question about managing an SMTP server (it concerns how SMTP servers establish trust relationships between one another concerning SPAM messages and return paths---<http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Message-Delivery-en/browse_thread/thread/ddca3fa48a5e0803#> for those interested) but I have no idea where to ask it
[04:51:30] <b4|hraban> nobody on that mailing list replied so I am asking if maybe somebody here knows a good mailing list, forum, irc channel or something similar to turn to. or, even better, a good search query with which I could find an archived discussion about this exact problem---I did not manage to find it :/
[04:51:55] <pickcoder> www.wordtothewise.com
[04:52:18] <pickcoder> I give up on webmail providers
[04:52:42] <pickcoder> if the gmail techs won't help you then you're on your own
[04:52:59] <pickcoder> aol, so far, had the easiest ham solution
[04:53:00] <b4|hraban> pickcoder, well, concerning gmail, I am, but this problem is pretty general
[04:53:08] <pickcoder> there is no general solution
[04:53:12] <pickcoder> which is why I give up
[04:53:34] <pickcoder> you have to fight with each provider
[04:53:35] <b4|hraban> but doesn't everybody that offer their users to forward their mail have to deal with it?
[04:53:45] <pickcoder> yeah.. and they don't forward it
[04:54:05] <b4|hraban> ah so everybody does their best to filter out SPAM so it does not get forwarded in the first place?
[04:54:21] <pickcoder> people who want to forward personal mail to a gmail account setup smtps to talk to gmail
[04:54:33] <pickcoder> that's on a per-account basis though
[04:54:40] <b4|hraban> ok
[04:54:45] <pickcoder> which is impossible, or feasible, on a large server
[04:54:48] <b4|hraban> I never heard of smtps
[04:55:00] <pickcoder> !google
[04:55:00] <knoba> pickcoder: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[04:55:05] <pickcoder> meh
[04:55:06] <pickcoder> !gmail
[04:55:07] <knoba> pickcoder: Error: "gmail" is not a valid command.
[04:55:19] <pickcoder> there was factoid about gmail at one point but I don't remember it
[04:56:05] <pickcoder> there's DKIM and domain key too
[04:56:11] <pickcoder> but I never took a close look at it
[04:56:24] <pickcoder> SPF records
[04:56:42] <pickcoder> so many options and yet none are used or implemented correctly
[04:57:38] <b4|hraban> hmm
[04:58:20] <pickcoder> you can tweak your postfix setup for each provider IF they can provide ham rules
[04:58:24] <b4|hraban> it would be great if there were a way to make this work but I can not even think of a theoretical solution, let alone a practical one
[04:58:24] <pickcoder> most won't
[04:58:29] <pickcoder> because it'd be a spam leak
[04:58:35] <b4|hraban> yes
[04:59:01] <b4|hraban> I mean, in the end, why *should* gmail trust me? I could just as well be a spammer for that matter
[04:59:12] <b4|hraban> what can I do that a spammer can not?
[04:59:19] <pickcoder> supposedly wordtothewise can be a connection point between you and the providers
[04:59:31] <pickcoder> you pay them for consulting and they help you get listed as a ham source
[04:59:40] <pickcoder> nothing is guaranteed though
[05:00:06] <b4|hraban> ok.. unfortunately I probably do not have the money for that, I am just a college kid with a one-digit users mail server :)
[05:00:08] <pickcoder> for aol, just sign up for the feed back loop and pay attention to complaint bounces
[05:00:24] <pickcoder> if you don't react, aol will revoke your FBL and mark you as a bad host
[05:01:07] <b4|hraban> that sounds reasonable for one host but, technically, I would have to do this for every possible .forward target out there
[05:01:29] <pickcoder> I think google and hotmail change their rules regularly
[05:01:43] <b4|hraban> so I guess it's either pay or register with all big hosts and stay alert to abuse complaints?
[05:01:47] <pickcoder> you're best going to the postmaster home pages and reading
[05:01:57] <b4|hraban> alright I will try again, thank you
[05:01:58] <pickcoder> if you can't find it there, you probably won't be able to get it freely
[05:02:33] <b4|hraban> shucks
[05:03:41] <pickcoder> consider forwarding through your ISP's mail server
[05:04:04] <pickcoder> that's still no promise that it won't get sent to "junkmail" when it comes in
[05:04:05] <b4|hraban> hmm that could be an idea, indeed.
[05:04:18] <pickcoder> if you have DNS control add an SPF record
[05:04:23] <pickcoder> that helps some
[05:04:25] <b4|hraban> I do
[05:04:32] <b4|hraban> I already have a -all spf record
[05:04:38] <pickcoder> make sure you have a FQDN and that your rDNS resolves
[05:05:12] <pickcoder> check the RBLs to see if your ISP has been listed
[05:05:16] <b4|hraban> hmm well it does not resolve to what I advertise as (nslookup 0brg.net -> 194.109.234.123, nslookup that -> 0brg.xs4all.nl)
[05:05:30] <pickcoder> that's problem #1 then
[05:05:33] <b4|hraban> alright
[05:05:37] <b4|hraban> I will fix that
[05:05:39] <pickcoder> mail servers don't like bogus DNS
[05:06:41] <b4|hraban> ah, with SPF I could just add 0brg.xs4all.nl as a trusted host and connect as that, right?
[05:06:52] <b4|hraban> good idea, I will do that.
[05:06:56] <b4|hraban> thanks!
[05:07:02] <pickcoder> good luck with it
[05:07:54] <b4|hraban> yes, I will try to see if I can somehow use my provider's SPAM filter for outgoing messages. sounds like a good idea.
[05:08:07] <pickcoder> check the RBLs too
[05:08:15] <pickcoder> make suire your /16 is not blocked as a spam net
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[05:08:40] <pickcoder> www.spamhaus.org
[05:08:51] <b4|hraban> thanks, I will check them right now
[05:09:38] <Haris________> guys
[05:09:50] <Haris________> can postfix throw .5 - 1 million mails in a day?
[05:10:08] <Haris________> b) on decent hardware? or which?!? kind of hardware
[05:10:11] <b4|hraban> alright I am not listed in any of the blacklists
[05:10:58] <Bart[mdv]> ~11 mail per socond. Why not?
[05:10:58] <pickcoder> Haris________: I don't see why not if you tune your queue and have a huge fiber connection. :P
[05:11:12] <pickcoder> default_process_limit
[05:11:22] <pickcoder> plus you can tweak each service in master.cf
[05:11:58] <Bart[mdv]> pickcoder: postfix can't recieve 11 letters per second?
[05:12:25] <pickcoder> sure
[05:12:38] <pickcoder> deferrals clog things up
[05:12:50] <pickcoder> you probably don't want to requeue stuff 4-5 times
[05:13:18] <pickcoder> 100 processes probably won't do that level
[05:13:30] <pickcoder> due to helo delays and other stupid remote setups
[05:13:49] <pickcoder> but you can always try it and tweak it as it runs
[05:14:19] <pickcoder> I dump ~40K in a 2-3 hour period with 250
[05:14:32] <pickcoder> there's usually a few thousand left over due to webmail providers
[05:14:37] <pickcoder> can't dump them all at once
[05:14:55] <pickcoder> 250 saturates our T1
[05:15:15] <pickcoder> outgoing
[05:21:19] <Haris________> Its a 6x postfix setup on a box or in 6 different VM
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[05:23:49] <pickcoder> to what end?
[05:24:22] <pickcoder> each one serves a domain?
[05:26:29] <Haris_> yes
[05:26:56] <Haris_> Either one instance of postfix with 6 IPs
[05:27:09] <Haris_> or 6 VMs with seperate installs of postfix
[05:28:10] <pickcoder> unless you want to be able to shut one domain down only I don't see any benefit from a VM. But that's just me.
[05:28:41] <pickcoder> ask some of the other guys here earlier in the day about their hosting setup
[05:29:18] <Haris_> Can we have multiple instances of postfix on a single box to boost sending power?
[05:29:35] <pickcoder> I don't think you'd really need multiple instances
[05:29:42] <pickcoder> unless you needed to be able to stop one
[05:29:56] <Haris_> stop?
[05:29:57] <pickcoder> you can manage it all with virtuals
[05:30:13] <pickcoder> if you need to stop one of the domains without bothering the rest
[05:30:19] <Haris_> So your suggesting, install postfix in 6 different VMs to get more mail sent out?
[05:30:20] <pickcoder> due to a spam exploit or something
[05:30:33] <Haris_> There's little incomming, most is throwing mail out
[05:30:44] <pickcoder> no I'm saying it's probably not worth the VM, but you should really ask someone that runs a hosting service
[05:30:55] <pickcoder> most of them are here earlier in the day
[05:31:05] <Haris_> when its my night time :D
[05:31:07] <Haris_> hehe
[05:31:18] <lunaphyte> the only people around here this time of day run hosing services.
[05:31:19] <pickcoder> well no one is here right now or they'd jump in
[05:31:40] <pickcoder> lunaphyte: you mean "support center"
[05:32:40] * pickcoder rereads... hosing service? Freudian slip?
[05:32:47] <lunaphyte> press 1 for the runaround
[05:32:58] <Haris_> can one instance of postfix throw this much in a day?
[05:32:58] <lunaphyte> press 2 for a condescending prick
[05:33:05] <pickcoder> 2 for 3
[05:33:09] <pickcoder> 3 for 2
[05:33:24] <lunaphyte> press 3 for a disinterested jackoff
[05:33:55] <pickcoder> don't ask rob0 though. he'll just try to confus you
[05:33:57] <lunaphyte> actually, i thought you were right on with the support center comment.  what better way to get hosed?
[05:34:03] <pickcoder> s/confus/confuse
[05:34:11] <pickcoder> heh
[05:34:54] <pickcoder> press 4 for instructions on how to fix Outlook 2007's HTML problem
[05:36:06] <pickcoder> Haris_: like I said.. I don't see why not if you tune it and have the bandwidth depending on mail size
[05:36:20] <pickcoder> lunaphyte may say different or nothing at all
[05:37:15] <lunaphyte> i would just !tias
[05:37:48] <lunaphyte> of course, i said that about heroin too...
[05:38:17] <pickcoder> well that helps
[05:38:41] <pickcoder> It has to be more efficient than Exchange, though
[05:38:43] <pickcoder> :)
[05:39:37] <sahil> Haris_: are you a spammer?
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[05:39:44] <sahil> cuuuz you really sound like one. :)
[05:41:28] <lunaphyte> hello ladies, i've hurt my back.  would you mind helping me load this chair into my white, windowless van?
[05:42:52] <pickcoder> it's a couch..
[05:43:43] <lunaphyte> darn.  i was thinking that too, but decided to go with chair.
[05:44:09] <lunaphyte> i hate amavis
[05:44:23] <lunaphyte> it reminds me of sendmail
[05:44:50] <lunaphyte> why in christ's name should i need to know perl to adjust a config file?
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[05:45:26] <lunaphyte> that defeats the entire purpose of abstracting out values.
[05:46:11] <Motoko-chan> Hm?
[05:46:26] <Motoko-chan> Most of AMaViSd-new's config is fairly straightforward.
[05:47:02] <pickcoder> apart from the confusing spam/av scanner code
[05:47:07] <pickcoder> which is totally confusing
[05:47:08] <lunaphyte> i dare you to take a poll.
[05:47:18] <Motoko-chan> It isn't that bad.
[05:47:25] <Motoko-chan> If you just need to enable/disable one.
[05:47:25] <pickcoder> it could be simpler?
[05:47:36] <Motoko-chan> If you are doing custom, it could be tricky.
[05:47:50] <Motoko-chan> pickcoder, *everything* could be simpler.
[05:47:59] <pickcoder> nah
[05:48:05] <pickcoder> if it was then who would need us?
[05:48:06] <Haris_> sahil: I am not. I hope my clients are also not. They are all opt-in mass email requesters
[05:48:18] <pickcoder> we'd be landscapers
[05:48:22] <Motoko-chan> I'd be happy to not deal with clients.
[05:48:40] <pickcoder> heh.. you'd retire early?
[05:48:48] <Motoko-chan> Might be nice.
[05:48:58] <pickcoder> I'm working in that direction
[05:49:06] <pickcoder> so complicated coding and setups help
[05:49:07] <pickcoder> :)
[05:49:09] <Motoko-chan> I could catch up on my "to read" pile.
[05:49:32] <Haris_> pickcoder: How can I optimize/tune postfix's queue?
[05:49:40] <pickcoder> www.postfix.org
[05:49:44] <Haris_> *_what_keywords_* in postfix?
[05:49:48] <pickcoder> there's a segment in the docs page
[05:49:57] <Motoko-chan> RTFDP
[05:50:11] <Haris_> found it
[05:50:27] <Haris_> Motoko-chan: You sound more and more like a sex worker :P
[05:50:54] <Motoko-chan> Hm?
[05:51:24] <Haris_> with all the 'I'd be happy with less clients', and RTFDP
[05:51:31] <Haris_> hehe
[05:51:32] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[05:51:37] <Motoko-chan> How do you know I'm not?
[05:51:52] <Motoko-chan> Maybe I service my client's mail, then service my clients?
[05:52:18] <Haris_> double service is that a 'value' added service? o_O
[05:52:21] <Haris_> lol
[05:52:32] <Motoko-chan> Or I could work part time on those video rooms.
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[05:52:49] <Motoko-chan> The kind where you pay per minute to watch.
[05:53:14] <pickcoder> that's what PPV is for.. you got the servers already right?
[05:53:33] <Motoko-chan> Yeah, I have lots of servers.
[05:53:44] <Motoko-chan> Including some eight-core and ones with 16 gig of RAM
[05:53:48] <pickcoder> postfix can't be using all that iron
[05:53:56] <Motoko-chan> Never now.
[05:53:58] <Motoko-chan> know.
[05:54:04] <Motoko-chan> I might be a prolific spammer too.
[05:54:06] <pickcoder> our new db server is an 8-way
[05:54:28] <Haris_> .5 million = 5 mails per second and by the same token 1million = 10 mails per second or 11
[05:54:51] <pickcoder> O_O
[05:54:57] <pickcoder> how can 5 times 10 = 5?
[05:55:09] <Motoko-chan> New Math
[05:55:15] <Haris_> postfix doesn't use that iron?
[05:55:25] <Haris_> is postfix ghey, not to use it?
[05:55:41] <pickcoder> I have a dual-core with 4GB that sleeps most of the time as a mail gate
[05:55:42] <Haris_> simple
[05:56:01] <pickcoder> it doesn't send mail though
[05:56:02] <Haris_> 500000 / 86400 = mails / second in 24hrs
[05:56:40] <pickcoder> it's 57.8 mails per second
[05:56:47] <pickcoder> for a 24-hour period
[05:56:54] <Motoko-chan> 5h * 10k = 5m?
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[05:57:15] <Motoko-chan> 5 * 10 = 5 !
[05:57:29] <pickcoder> ok.. bed time
[05:57:37] <pickcoder> have fun
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[05:57:52] <Haris_> 57.8 mails per second? o_O
[05:57:56] <Haris_> how?
[05:58:27] <Haris_> 500000/86400 = 5.78
[05:58:33] <Haris_> not 57.8
[06:00:35] <Haris_> I have a PIII 800 MHz with 1 GB RAM, single instance of postfix on a 100 Mbps WAN connection in a datacenter
[06:00:40] <Haris_> Can I achieve this objective?
[06:02:26] <lunaphyte> no way.
[06:02:53] <lunaphyte> or, better yet, just try it.
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[06:09:51] <Haris_> ok
[06:09:55] <Haris_> what kind of box do I need?
[06:10:02] <Haris_> quad core P-IV or Xeon?
[06:11:23] <Haris_> I'm thinking of setting up a mass emailing service myself.
[06:11:30] <Haris_> I'v seen market for it
[06:11:38] <Haris_> and I have a client that runs the same service
[06:11:46] <Haris_> his packages are nice
[06:11:55] <Haris_> cheao and good service
[06:12:14] <Haris_> How about a 3.0 GHz P-IV machine with 2 GB RAM, 25 IPs
[06:12:24] <Haris_> Can I deliver .5 - 1 million mails per day with it?
[06:12:33] <Haris_> on 100 Mbps connection
[06:13:17] <Motoko-chan> Why a P4?
[06:13:26] <Haris_> Motoko-chan: processing power?
[06:13:33] <Haris_> Motoko-chan: for queue?
[06:13:34] <Motoko-chan> Get Opteron or a Xeon based on the Core2 tech.
[06:13:43] <Haris_> Ok
[06:13:51] <Haris_> Dual Quad Core Xeon E5405
[06:13:53] <Haris_> How is that
[06:13:56] <Haris_> with 8 GB RAM
[06:14:02] <Haris_> but will postfix use it?
[06:14:22] <Haris_> if not in single instance, maybe in multiple instances?
[06:14:22] <Motoko-chan> Postfix will use what it is given
[06:14:34] <Motoko-chan> You could up concurency.
[06:14:47] <Haris_> I was looking at the concurrency keywords
[06:14:52] <Haris_> they are .. fewer than I expected
[06:15:18] <Haris_> are there omre parameters to performance tuning than just concurrency?
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[06:15:32] <Motoko-chan> Read docs on site
[06:15:48] <Motoko-chan> For queue, it's I/O sensitive.
[06:16:11] <Motoko-chan> You could stick on a RAMDisk and get a nice burst in performance.
[06:16:19] * Gokee2_Broken Stopping x
[06:16:34] <Haris_> RAMDisk, you mean SSDs?
[06:16:45] <Motoko-chan> I was thinking just standard DRAM
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[06:16:53] <Motoko-chan> Or those special units they make out of that.
[06:17:02] <Haris_> postfix can use RAM as hard drive?
[06:17:20] <Motoko-chan> The OS can
[06:17:33] <Motoko-chan> Then put queue on it.
[06:17:51] <Motoko-chan> Some companies make battery-backed units that act like drives, but are 100% DRAM.
[06:18:13] <Haris_> Ok, special stuff, for high end mail delivery solutions
[06:18:22] <Haris_> not standard or usable in this scenario
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[06:18:26] <Haris_> How about multiple IPs
[06:18:30] <Motoko-chan> What scenario we talking about?
[06:18:39] <Haris_> Can I make postfix rotate deliveries using different IPs?
[06:18:47] <Motoko-chan> Why do you need to?
[06:18:53] <Haris_> .5 - 1million deliveries / day
[06:19:19] <Haris_> Isn't it obvious? So as to not get busted as a spammer, even if its opt-in
[06:19:34] <Haris_> hotmail has a 60 mails from 1 IP limit I guess?
[06:19:36] <Motoko-chan> DomainKeys, BondedSender, etc.
[06:19:37] <Haris_> for a certain time
[06:19:52] <Haris_> 50+ mails per IP per some time limit
[06:20:34] <Haris_> there's nothing on http://bondedsender.com/
[06:20:35] <Haris_> lol
[06:21:32] <Haris_> http://www.emailcenteruk.com/blog/bonded-sender.htm
[06:21:36] <Haris_> Bonded Sender - will it help your deliverability rate?
[06:21:44] <Haris_> The scheme received criticism on two sides. Firstly is seemed to make no difference to deliverability rates with Hotmail. A report by Pivotal Veracity (see page 12 of report) suggested Bonded Sender made no difference to deliverability.
[06:23:10] <Haris_> Again, how about multiple IPs ? Can postfix automatically rotate deliveries between them in round robin fashion?
[06:24:22] <Haris_> Also, does one have to be certified by some authority to be a mass emailing service?
[06:24:35] <Haris_> I heard hotmail and some other services were subscrined to such a third party
[06:24:37] <Haris_> company
[06:25:17] <c0rleone> Dec 19 23:33:03 paris postfix/pickup[16933]: [ID 947731 mail.warning] warning: connect #10 to subsystem public/cleanup: No such device or ad
[06:25:19] <c0rleone> what hell...
[06:25:25] <Haris_> legal and compliant mass emailing service
[06:26:42] <c0rleone> default_destination_concurrency_limit = 50
[06:26:45] <c0rleone> 50 is the max?
[06:26:59] <Haris_> brb
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[06:45:23] <b4|hraban> !spam
[06:45:24] <knoba> b4|hraban: "spam" : for you and SPAM for me, we'll all live together in SPAM harmony at SPAM.com
[06:47:26] <b4|hraban> hmm... no "official" page on filtering spam with postfix?
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[08:38:29] <Haris_> Ok
[08:38:32] <Haris_> back
[08:38:57] <Haris_> Again, how about multiple IPs ? Can postfix automatically rotate deliveries between them, like round robin fashion?
[08:40:28] <Haris_> Can postfix do 5-11 mails / second, throughout the day?
[08:40:39] <Haris_> i I tune the concurrency settings
[08:40:49] <Haris_> lower the helo time etc etc
[08:46:42] <Haris_> I hav a quad core box with 2x scsi hdds and 2 GB RAM
[08:51:52] <snappy> you should run the smtp benchmarks and see.
[08:52:03] <snappy> i think there are programs that come bundled with postfix to test performance
[08:52:20] <Haris_> Actually, I'm quoting a client
[08:52:31] <Haris_> I have no prior information to form a base line benchmark
[08:52:35] <Haris_> to base my quote on
[08:52:40] <Haris_> the scenario is mass mailing
[08:52:43] <Haris_> outgoing traffic
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[10:54:58] <cite> Haris_: 10 Mails per second are 864000 Mails per day. If the box doesn't do content filtering, I don't see why this could ever be a problem on any decent harware.
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[11:03:49] <ribasushi> hi
[11:04:00] <ribasushi> I remember there was an option to turn all hard failures into temp ones
[11:04:04] <ribasushi> can't seem to find it in the manual
[11:05:32] <ribasushi> ah soft_bounce
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[11:31:29] <siamba> oh
[11:33:35] <siamba> is "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service inet:10.14.248.129:2501, reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org, permit" ok/enough ?
[11:33:58] <siamba> policy_service is sqlgrey
[11:49:13] <ribasushi> siamba: I usually do not reject anything before permit_mynetworks
[11:49:58] <ribasushi> I accept messages from clients and then bounce them back if necessary, as most mail clients are pretty cryptic when confronted with a permfail
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[11:50:35] <ribasushi> of course this is applicable only if mynetworks is trusted
[11:51:50] <siamba> ribasushi, mynetworks is trusted, other networks are gatewayed via another mx
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[11:52:54] <siamba> ribasushi, ok, i changed so permit_mynetworks is first rule
[11:53:40] <ribasushi> also a lot of your rejects are redundant
[11:53:46] <siamba> why?
[11:54:45] <ribasushi> since you have reject_unauth_destinations, you by definition will not let through unknown_recipient_domain and non_fqdn_recipient (as such recipients can not be listed as autoh_destinations)
[11:56:09] <ribasushi> as far as the sender bits (sender_domain, fqdn_sender, fqdn/invalid_hostname) - it depends on what you want to do
[11:56:35] <ribasushi> it's not uncommon for some automated confirmation services (which send legit emails) to use nonexisting/malformed domains as from
[11:56:47] <ribasushi> then it's not uncommon for people like you to block them :)
[11:57:16] <ribasushi> my rule of thumb is - if the spam level is not anything to complain about - I do not restrict anything additional
[11:58:39] <siamba> ok, i'll try to remove couple rules
[11:59:18] <siamba> what about zen.spamhaus.org ? does it reject only spam?
[11:59:36] <ribasushi> I have not had any complaints about it - using it for more than a year
[11:59:48] <ribasushi> then again - you will see a very small amount of rejects
[11:59:59] <ribasushi> sqlgrey will weed out a very big part
[12:03:49] <siamba> spamhaus, rejects about 2500 a day last week
[12:04:32] <siamba> sqlgrey is set to reconnect_delay 9 and max_reconnect_age 48
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[12:09:56] <siamba> oh
[12:10:29] <siamba> ribasushi, should i set smtpd_helo_required, smtpd_helo_restrictions ?
[12:11:45] <ribasushi> I don't... again matter of taste
[12:11:56] <ribasushi> here is what I use on a moderately busy site:
[12:12:20] <ribasushi> http://pastebin.com/m7cd40e96
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[14:17:26] <tim-ct> anyone know where I can get a decent howto install for postfix dovect etc
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[16:57:55] <fuxxy> I'm trying to get postfix to foward all mail  sent on this machine to my gmail account. I set up postfix using the guide here: http://www.darryl.cain.com.au/postfix/
[16:59:18] <fuxxy> Looking at the log, when the attempt is made to relay, I get the error message 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first.
[16:59:30] <fuxxy> everything I've tried does nothing to change the error.
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[17:19:12] <lunaphyte> !tell fuxxy !tls
[17:19:13] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[17:19:20] <lunaphyte> !tell fuxxy !starttls
[17:19:20] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[17:19:26] <lunaphyte> bah
[17:20:01] <fuxxy> Heh, canned answeres apparently don't apply here :)
[17:20:27] <lunaphyte> oh, duh.
[17:20:30] <lunaphyte> !tell fuxxy tls
[17:20:31] <knoba> fuxxy: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[17:20:59] <lunaphyte> !tell fuxxy tls_readme
[17:21:00] <knoba> fuxxy: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[17:21:06] <lunaphyte> !tell fuxxy tlstest
[17:21:07] <knoba> fuxxy: "tlstest" : starting with OpenSSL 0.9.7, you can test the server-side TLS with the following: openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect localhost:25
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[17:48:52] <dff_> my smtp server suddenly stopped allowing me to send emails - the error i see in the log is this
[17:48:57] <dff_> http://pastebin.com/d4bdf8e8a
[17:49:25] <dff_> my mail client says the user and password is incorrect even tho ive check a thousand times to verify that it is the corret credentials
[17:50:14] <dff_> any help is very appreciated
[17:50:33] <rob0> It never gets as far as AUTH, "lost connection after EHLO from unknown[190.49.16.192]"
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[17:52:44] <dff_> i can connect to the imap server without any problems
[17:53:13] <dff_> rob0, im out in the wilderness with a shitty connection, but it worked yesterday
[17:54:01] <rob0> port 25 or 587?
[17:54:21] <rob0> ISPs are likely to block or proxy 25.
[17:54:26] <dff_> my client tries all
[17:54:38] <rob0> huh? what MUA is that?
[17:55:24] <dff_> Apple Mail
[17:55:37] <dff_> i specified it to use port 587 now
[17:56:16] <rob0> you must of course be running a submission service on port 587, which is not on by default
[17:57:13] <dff_> everything has worked fine up until today
[17:57:17] <dff_> for weeks
[18:02:17] <dff_> ahh finally
[18:02:21] <dff_> got it working
[18:03:31] <dff_> it was using port 465, and for some reason the mail client didnt try this port by default
[18:03:36] <dff_> even though it should
[18:03:46] <dff_> thanks for your time tho rob0
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[18:40:56] <fuxxy_> I'm having a hell of a time getting mdadm working with postfix
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[18:41:42] <fuxxy_> postfix works using "mailx" by hand, but simply putting "root@localhost" for the mailaddr line in mdadm.conf doesn't work.
[18:43:29] <rob0> Bummer.
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[18:56:59] <jarrodsl9> how do I change the maximum connection limit on imap?
[19:05:18] <adaptr> who knows ?
[19:05:26] <adaptr> postfix doesn't do IMAP
[19:12:14] <rob0> yep, you'd want to check the documentation of whatever imapd you're using.
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[19:21:38] <Haris_> Ok, here's a questiomn
[19:21:53] <Haris_> will postfix use 25 IPs or 250 IPs if I configure them on a box for it to use?
[19:22:33] <Haris_> or is that a feature, I'll have to implement via dns (round robin)
[19:23:43] <adaptr> use it for what ?
[19:24:26] <Haris_> for outgoing mail
[19:24:33] <Haris_> for sending bulk/mass email
[19:24:39] <Haris_> to be exact
[19:24:59] <adaptr> ah, it's you again
[19:25:22] <adaptr> postfix will use the first interface it's bound to that's not lo
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[19:26:17] <Haris_> and that's all?
[19:26:24] <Haris_> I was afraid you'd say that
[19:27:17] <rob0> And it's not a Postfix thing. You'd need routing rules in your OS to use multiple outgoing IP addresses.
[19:27:50] <rob0> !smtp_bind_address
[19:27:51] <Haris_> If I can make postfix listen on all interfaces
[19:27:51] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_bind_address" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: An optional numerical network address that the SMTP client should bind to when making a connection.
[19:27:59] <Haris_> it'll be working on all IPs, right?
[19:28:17] <rob0> !inet_interfaces
[19:28:18] <knoba> rob0: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[19:28:20] <Haris_> one'd be the primary with a physical NIC. All others, would be aliases
[19:28:47] <adaptr> great!
[19:28:52] <adaptr> still not listening, I see
[19:29:48] <Haris_> adaptr: I did. I'm just making small talk untill the discussion comes back in my favour :P
[19:29:54] <Haris_> j/k
[19:29:58] <adaptr> good luck with that
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[19:44:48] <Haris_> adaptr: By interface, I take it, it listens on all the IPs I configure on it, even on the alias interfaces. That means if I have 25 alias interfaces configured, I have an advantage or do I need to run seperate instance of postfix to get any advantage (or real advantage)?
[19:45:05] <Haris_> configure on it = configure on the interface
[19:45:19] <adaptr> I did not say that
[19:45:47] <adaptr> you asked about sending mail, and I said that postfix (or, rather, the kernel TCP stack) will use whatever gets it to the destination
[19:46:04] <adaptr> that is usuallythe first defined IP on th efirst interface that's not lo
[19:46:25] <Haris_> Ok, so even if I'v configure 250 IPs on this box, it'll only use the first
[19:46:32] <Haris_> and once it grabs the first, it won't use the others
[19:46:41] <adaptr> it will not use a different IP to talk to other MTAs unless you change your routes
[19:46:44] <adaptr> nothing is grabbed
[19:46:52] <adaptr> faulty thinking
[19:46:56] <Haris_> the meaning is same. I just used a differnet word
[19:47:08] <adaptr> postfix does not know what it's IP is, as it doesn't need to know
[19:47:40] <Haris_> !inet_interfaces
[19:47:41] <knoba> Haris_: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[19:48:10] <lunaphyte> that has nothing to do with sending mail.
[19:48:20] <Haris_> lunaphyte: I haven't finished yet
[19:48:25] <adaptr> pfft
[19:48:34] <lunaphyte> yes, we know.
[19:49:23] <Haris_> By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine <- does this imply, if I have fxp0 on fbsd with 1 IP and I have 30 other alias interfaces with different IPs, it'll be listening on all of those interfaces or would I have to manually specify all those interfaces in inet_interfaces for it to listen on all of them?
[19:49:53] <adaptr> it means exactly what it says it means
[19:50:00] <lunaphyte> dude...
[19:50:02] <lunaphyte> !tias
[19:50:03] <knoba> lunaphyte: "tias" : Try It And See
[19:50:14] <Haris_> lunaphyte: Good point
[19:50:29] <Haris_> I'll shove this point to my 'do it and see list'
[19:50:32] <Haris_> Onto the next one
[19:51:07] <Haris_> Does running one single instance of postfix on 1 IP give me the performance I can squeeze out of it by running multiple instances on seperate IPs/interfaces?
[19:51:17] <Haris_> I know it sounds obvious, but I have to ask
[19:51:21] <lunaphyte> !tias
[19:51:22] <knoba> lunaphyte: "tias" : Try It And See
[19:51:25] <adaptr> you are not going to GET enough mail to saturate a postfix instance
[19:51:49] <adaptr> and you have "performance" spelled backwards
[19:52:03] <lunaphyte> furthermore, haven't you been talking about _sending_ mail?
[19:52:06] <Haris_> adaptr: o.o
[19:52:13] <Haris_> lunaphyte: Exactly
[19:52:30] <adaptr> "exactly" ? what do you think this is, a club you're a part of ?
[19:52:41] <Haris_> A community, yes
[19:52:47] <adaptr> well, fuck that
[19:52:52] <adaptr> get clue first
[19:52:56] <lunaphyte> so, like i said - none of these topics relate to sending mail, bro.
[19:53:09] <Haris_> Is this the part where I announce the banner;
[19:53:10] <Haris_> bare with me. I do spreak english, but its not my native language. I do have communication issues with it
[19:53:21] <wdp_> <adaptr> "exactly" ? what do you think this is, a club you're a part of ?
[19:53:26] <lunaphyte> your english is fine.
[19:53:26] <wdp_> where do i need to sign up for the club?
[19:53:32] <wdp_> i wanna get in!!!
[19:53:38] <wdp_> hey adaptr :p
[19:53:39] <adaptr> wdp_: $50
[19:53:46] <Haris_> that's cheap!
[19:53:46] <wdp_> oh. thats cheap.
[19:53:49] <lunaphyte> $50?  that's bogus.
[19:53:50] <wdp_> at qmail they want nothing
[19:53:51] <adaptr> non-refundable if you don't like us
[19:53:52] <wdp_> *run*
[19:53:53] <Haris_> this is a cheap! club
[19:54:06] <lunaphyte> yeah, don't expect much.
[19:54:30] <wdp_> ah no. he meant 50 per hour.
[19:54:31] <wdp_> i see.
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[19:54:52] <Haris_> wdp_: That may also mean a $30 lunch on random days ;)
[19:55:00] <Haris_> never go on the list price :P
[19:55:44] <Haris_> ..and I had performance spelled backwards? lol
[19:56:07] <adaptr> you still do
[19:56:09] <Haris_> daaaaaaaaaaamn, I need to change this keyboard and get a USB one
[19:56:20] <Haris_> I'v got to ditch PS/2
[19:56:28] <Haris_> that'll do it :D
[19:56:36] <adaptr> you cannot "squeeze performance out" of something - performance will only ever go *down*
[19:56:43] <adaptr> it cannot go up
[19:56:44] <Haris_> I seee
[19:56:52] <Haris_> sub question to this
[19:57:04] <Haris_> can postfix throw out 6-11 email/sec .. all day?
[19:57:09] <adaptr> yes
[19:57:10] <Haris_> on a decent setup
[19:57:10] <lunaphyte> omfg.
[19:57:12] <adaptr> easily
[19:57:19] <Haris_> ok
[19:57:19] <adaptr> why ?
[19:57:24] <Haris_> then there's no need to discuss it further
[19:57:31] <adaptr> you're taking SPAM 101, I take it ?
[19:57:35] <lunaphyte> computers aren't people.  they don't "get tired".
[19:57:37] <Haris_> the objective is achieved with 1 instance and 1 IP =)
[19:57:41] <adaptr> you're on your way to a permanent ban
[19:57:42] <wdp_> Haris_, no
[19:57:51] <wdp_> Haris_, postfix needs a 60 minutes pause after 2000 mails.
[19:57:59] <wdp_> :/ whats that for a question...
[19:58:00] <adaptr> it needs coffee after each 1000
[19:58:13] <wdp_> i thought i ask the stupid stuff
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[19:58:26] <Haris_> lunaphyte: well, I have to factor in everything. Maybe there's latency in bandwidth. My target is to ensure .5 - 1 million deliveries / day
[19:58:27] <adaptr> and it will ELECTROCUTE you when you've sent 500000 without saying "thank you oh lord and master"
[19:58:58] <Aleons> hello, i want know the encryption of my postfix is use how i can ?
[19:59:01] <adaptr> Haris_: yes, and if anybody asked out of the blue "I wanna send millionz of mailz per day" my considered response would be to go fuck yourself
[19:59:04] <Aleons> (postfix mysql)
[19:59:21] <adaptr> Aleons: what kind of encryption are you talking about
[19:59:22] <Haris_> adaptr: Damn, you'r really serious
[19:59:26] <adaptr> yes
[19:59:32] <adaptr> spammers should be shot
[19:59:43] <wdp_> adaptr, he's probably no spammer.
[19:59:44] <lunaphyte> Haris_: you're trying to pre-suppose _everything_..  what happens if some jackass comes in and takes a crap on the server?  don't forget to factor that in.
[19:59:47] <adaptr> oh yes he is
[19:59:49] <wdp_> just a windows admin getting mail reports of broken servers
[19:59:50] <wdp_> :p
[20:00:07] * Haris_ get a DVD of (What's that show called?) for adaptr to calm down on
[20:00:16] <Haris_> what's that comedy show where they swear alot?
[20:00:19] <lunaphyte> just send your damn spam, so we can feed our honeypots and get on with life.
[20:00:22] <Haris_> its aird in UK, iirc
[20:00:34] <Haris_> aired+
[20:00:36] <wdp_> lunaphyte, ask him for the ip(s).
[20:00:38] <wdp_> :p
[20:00:41] <adaptr> any  mail admin who has to get $clue about sending A MILLION mails a day and doesn't already know everything there is to know about email should probably not be a mail admin
[20:01:08] <wdp_> Haris_, you read the postfix docs?
[20:01:11] * Haris_ hands adaptr a bag of cadbury's chocolate bars :P
[20:01:15] <Aleons> adaptr I'm creating a website to create a virtual box and i don't known the encryption ton add an user, actually i use postfixadmin, but i 'm sure it doesn't use MD5 or plain
[20:01:19] <Haris_> wdp_: No, I'm blind =)
[20:01:22] <Haris_> hehe
[20:01:45] <adaptr> Aleons: we don't use or advocate postfixadmin here
[20:01:46] <Haris_> Aleons: It uses md5-crypt out of the box, iirc
[20:01:52] <Haris_> Aleons: #postfixadmin
[20:01:57] <wdp_> http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html @ Haris_
[20:01:59] <wdp_> this one i mean
[20:02:16] <Haris_> I bid for a project
[20:02:37] <Haris_> the project owner siad, we'v tried upto having 6 VMs running postfix and we couldn't do it
[20:02:40] <Haris_> I'm like, wth!
[20:02:42] <Aleons> thanks
[20:02:48] <Haris_> I'll do it in some, lesser than that :P
[20:02:57] <Haris_> had! to clear some stuff
[20:03:15] <Haris_> before I made a blunder out of a money earning opp .. per .. tunity
[20:03:18] <Haris_> lol
[20:03:40] <Haris_> someone was here earlier in the day
[20:03:50] <Haris_> well, it was morning at that time at my end, now its night
[20:03:51] <wdp_> happens
[20:03:59] <Haris_> they said, if I gave postfix a quad core box with 4 GB RAM
[20:04:03] <Haris_> will postfix use it all?
[20:04:28] <wdp_> of course. And it will run with 100% cpu load per core.
[20:04:33] <adaptr> that's rather a nonsense question
[20:04:52] <wdp_> i have a similar question..
[20:05:03] <wdp_> ...my mails are going into the spam folder at google mail
[20:05:05] <wdp_> and i dont know why
[20:05:06] <Haris_> wdp_: Is this url a joke?
[20:05:10] <wdp_> i double checked everything.
[20:05:22] <wdp_> Haris_, no. i thought its interesting to you.
[20:05:43] <Aleons> you know a command tu md5 crypt in shell or php ?
[20:05:57] <wdp_> Aleons, md5sum?
[20:06:01] <wdp_> #php
[20:06:03] <wdp_> #bash
[20:06:09] <Aleons> thanks
[20:06:14] <wdp_> maybe ##
[20:06:16] <wdp_> not sure.
[20:06:30] <Haris_> Aleons: why do you need it?
[20:07:01] <Haris_> Ok, so a non-sense question. That gives me more confidence in postfix's abilities
[20:07:11] * Haris_ *thumbs up*
[20:07:18] <Haris_> now I can make blunders infront of the client
[20:07:20] <Haris_> lol
[20:08:09] <Aleons> Haris_ i create a page to create a mailbox but when i use create in mysql the md5 isn't correct
[20:08:35] <Haris_> Aleons: so checkout postfixadmin's php code
[20:08:39] <Haris_> and adjust your code accordingly
[20:08:41] <Aleons> examply  'secret' > $1$caea3837$gPafod/Do/8Jj5M9HehhM.
[20:08:49] <wdp_> Aleons, thats no md5sum.
[20:08:58] * siamba is spammer, sent mail about viagra via my relay to internet free mail account(to test spamfilters)
[20:09:14] <wdp_> siamba, can i give you my mail address and can u test it?
[20:09:38] * Haris_ advocates a ban for the spammer :D
[20:09:39] <siamba> wdp_, message me
[20:09:56] <Haris_> I setup postfix for a client a few days ago
[20:10:06] <Haris_> I want the same setup checked when I put in on my boxes
[20:10:20] <Haris_> I'm planning to use it as a gate for exchange mail traffic within our network
[20:10:23] <Aleons> how can i change the encryption mode ?
[20:10:26] <Haris_> exchange's
[20:10:34] <Haris_> Aleons: postfixadmin's config file
[20:10:50] <Haris_> Aleons: configure it to store cleartext passwords, if you want
[20:11:08] <Haris_> 'whatever floats? your boat' as they say
[20:11:19] <adaptr> Haris_: if you're both IN #postfixadmin, please take the discussion there
[20:11:27] <Haris_> O..k
[20:11:38] <Haris_> touchy!
[20:11:45] * wdp_ votes for a kick
[20:11:49] <Haris_> did he have a fight with his wife today? o_O
[20:12:04] <adaptr> don't talk about me as if I weren't here, smartass
[20:12:13] <Haris_> *ahem*
[20:15:23] <Haris_> there should be a more generalized channel named #mail
[20:15:43] <Haris_> for all the generalized questions
[20:16:03] <adaptr> because ? the RFCs are too hard to read ?
[20:16:13] <rob0> hiya
[20:16:20] <adaptr> wooga
[20:16:23] <Haris_> well
[20:18:20] <Haris_> do you guys tune delivery to standards forced by some companies? like hotmali/yahoo might have a policy that, 60 mails can be sent to it within a defined period of time and then after an interval, another 60 can be
[20:18:37] <Haris_> ..within defined time+ limit..
[20:19:13] <Haris_> or just let it go with the flow, as is
[20:19:27] <rob0> Few of us here have such concerns.
[20:19:29] <adaptr> it's that time again
[20:19:31] <adaptr> tias
[20:25:42] <rob0> Problems with the ##mail channel idea: 1. No one who has such basic questions would know they weren't Postfix questions. 2. No one who has "the big picture" understanding would sit in there and answer all those questions.
[20:26:04] <adaptr> except maybe rob0
[20:26:24] <rob0> nope, I don't answer those here.
[20:27:50] <adaptr> liar.. I caught you more than once
[20:29:19] <rob0> well, I'm improving
[20:29:34] <Haris_> I'll get to know it anyway, but it'll be in due time. I needed opinions from people more expeirenced than me, at this time.
[20:29:53] <Haris_> on the hotmail/yahoo deliveries thing
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[20:36:43] <Haris_> Anyone up for CS somewhere on the internte?
[20:37:52] <adaptr> cumswapping ? no thanks, I think I'll pass
[20:41:15] <Haris_> eww!
[20:47:01] <rimad> hey guys, somehow i can't get postfix to relay email to cyrus once its accepted... i ALWAYS get status=bounced (mail for hostname.net loops back to myself)
[20:47:18] <rob0> !loopback
[20:47:19] <knoba> rob0: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[20:47:41] <rimad> its when i am receiving email...
[20:48:44] <rimad> and postfix seems to accept the email...but then it tries next hop or whatever and it says "relay=none" when it should be saying relay=cyrus
[20:50:26] <rob0> Sounds like you missed a step ot two in the howto you were following.
[20:50:32] <rob0> or*
[20:51:36] <rimad> i didnt follow any howto really, i already had another server set up with the same stuff...all configs seem to match :/
[20:51:50] <rimad> i can send emails, everything works fine...they even get dk and dkim signed
[20:51:59] <Aleons> How can i change the encryption of the postfix mysql server (I haven't postfixadmin) ?
[20:52:22] <rob0> Where was Postfix supposed to find this "relay=cyrus" information?
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[20:53:16] <rimad> rob0, i specified mailbox_transport = cyrus in main.cf
[20:57:53] * siamba has "mailbox_transport = lmtp:unix:/var/imap/socket/lmtp"
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[21:04:22] <rimad> tried that too...no difference
[21:05:01] <siamba> are you sure yor "mydestination = $virtual_alias_maps" or something like?
[21:06:36] <rimad> mydestination = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-mydestination.cf
[21:06:57] <rimad> it finds the email and all...
[21:07:26] <rimad> Dec 20 21:41:26 murus postfix/smtpd[14096]: mail_addr_find: user at hostname dot net -> user.hostname.net
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[21:27:32] <rob0> "mydestination = $virtual_alias_maps" is inherently flawed. The lookup type is different. You followed a bad howto.
[21:27:39] <tim-ct> anyone know where I can get a decent howto install for postfix dovect etc
[21:28:00] <rob0> !postmapq
[21:28:01] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
[21:35:16] <Haris_> tim-ct: google
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[21:37:18] <tim-ct> found a few but full of errors
[21:39:17] <rob0> !google
[21:39:19] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[21:43:01] <rimad> rob0, what do you mean?
[21:44:21] <rob0> There's a lot of bad advice to be had out there, and "mydestination = $virtual_alias_maps" is some of it.
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[21:50:35] <Aleons> How can i change the encryption of the postfix mysql server (I haven't postfixadmin) ?
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[22:01:15] <rimad> rob0, where did you see that?
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[22:05:11] <dergringo> Hi. I just installed an configured dovecot and postfix. I'm wondering how I could create aliases for my two domains? The problem is that the aliases.conf f.e. look slike this: "all: :include:/etc/postfix/lists/all"  the first parametzer is not domain specific.
[22:06:01] <dergringo> is it possible to write smth. like that: "all at example dot com: :include:/etc/postfix/lists/all" ?
[22:08:05] <rimad> anyway, lets start all over...is there any howto for postfix + mysql + cyrus + cyradm-web ?
[22:08:11] <rimad> that you guys...approve
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[22:20:29] <rob0> rimad, I saw that right here in this channel, 75 minutes ago.
[22:21:08] <rob0> !tell dergringo virtual
[22:21:08] <knoba> dergringo: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[22:21:52] <rob0> Correct, mydestination has no domain namespace separation. I suggest using virtual alias domains/maps.
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[23:34:44] <rimad> fixed (:
[23:35:09] <rimad> the only error i am getting now is:
[23:35:26] <rimad> Dec 21 00:05:19 murus lmtpunix[17636]: IOERROR: fstating sieve script /var/lib/imap/sieve/u/user^hostname^net/defaultbc: No such file or directory
[23:35:57] <rimad> this doesn't concern me that much because there is no default sieve script but why is it looking for it in hashed directory? i didn't specify any hashing...
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