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[01:26:21] <k-man> hello
[01:27:44] <k-man> is there a way to make it easy for users to add and remove their away messages?
[01:28:57] <rob0> Postfix does not implement an "away messages" feature, so ... um ... maybe?
[01:30:46] <k-man> rob0: do you have any suggestions as to how I might go about implementing an away message system?
[01:31:25] <rob0> No, in fact I think they're generally very ugly and prone to abuse.
[01:31:53] <rob0> My suggestion, you won't like ... "don't" :)
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[01:33:52] <k-man> rob0: actually, i am of the same opinion, but the users love the idea
[01:34:05] <k-man> they are constantly asking me for a way to do it
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[01:34:47] <jduggan> i use sieve to provide vacation
[01:36:58] <k-man> jduggan: oh? how does that work?
[01:37:31] <jduggan> google sieve
[01:38:21] <jduggan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_(mail_filtering_language)
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[01:45:09] <k-man> jduggan: so users can specify the filter through imap?
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[03:21:58] <error404notfound> I just manually edited /etc/aliases file and I get ": warning: database /etc/aliases.db is older than source file /etc/aliases" and no emails are deliver to the email address that I add manually... howcome?
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[03:23:52] <rob0> Did it mention anywhere in that aliases file about running "newaliases"?
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[03:30:56] <error404notfound> I deleted /etc/aliases.db and ran postmap aliases
[03:35:51] <rob0> hmmm
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[03:39:39] <Gokee2> Has anyone here used nullmail?  I am trying to make the sendmail command work on a computer sending mail through another host.  I can`t seem to make nullmail use tls encryption.  Postfix is pretty big for this kind of thing...  Anyone have some ideas on what to use?
[03:41:40] <rob0> I used "nullmailer" a long time ago
[03:41:51] <rob0> !standard
[03:41:52] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
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[03:42:14] <rob0> (assuming of course you want to use Postfix and not nullmailer)
[03:43:09] <Gokee2> Ok I will just go ahead and set that up, it looks pretty simple
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[04:42:00] <grah_am> Any chance someone could help me with queuing messages, for some reason some messages get queued and i can't seem to figure out how to flush it.
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[04:52:24] <c0rleone> hello
[04:52:26] <c0rleone> anyone around?
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[04:52:57] <c0rleone> http://pastebin.com/m56c5b235
[04:53:12] <c0rleone> anyone knows why im getting this thousand and thousand tiems
[04:53:13] <c0rleone> times
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[04:59:22] <c0rleone> shit
[04:59:24] <c0rleone> anyone pls ?
[05:00:04] <harlan> because your alias database is unavailable?
[05:01:11] <harlan> look at your alias_maps and alias_databaes lines in your main.cf
[05:01:11] <c0rleone> is not
[05:01:15] <harlan> is too
[05:01:33] <harlan> make sure they are all there and have readable perms.
[05:02:04] <harlan> does 'newaliases' complain?
[05:02:39] <c0rleone> humm ok now
[05:02:41] <c0rleone> thanks guys
[05:02:51] <harlan> glad to hear it.
[05:04:02] <cite> Good morning.
[05:04:46] <harlan> evening, cite.
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[05:12:36] <rob0> yo
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[06:19:36] <lunaphyte> ho
[06:19:54] <lunaphyte> been drinkin', eh?
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[07:51:16] <yajith> hi all..
[07:52:24] <yajith> when sender_bcc is enabled, if the bcc'd mail box is having a prob. ( too large etc. ) will the original user get a bounce message.. ?
[07:57:27] <f3ew> yes
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[07:58:13] <rob0> (the envelope sender)
[08:00:46] <force> when would you recommend using postfix maps?
[08:01:00] <force> i've never used postfix before until today
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[08:02:30] <force> i've read a bunch of tutorials etc on postmap however, the debian etch package doesn't seem to have the maps directory in /etc/postfix
[08:02:44] <rob0> I would recommend reading the documentation, as your question makes no sense.
[08:02:45] <force> i'm using amavis, spamassassin, postgrey as well
[08:03:00] <force> hmm
[08:03:11] <force> the problem is i don't really have the time to read it
[08:03:19] <rob0> ahh.
[08:03:27] <force> i'm getting it up and running as fast as possible
[08:04:38] <force> so like, for example there is an access filter file
[08:04:42] <yajith> f3ew: is there anyway to get sender_bcc functionality, without that happening ?
[08:04:47] <force> which lists known common spammers
[08:05:08] <force> i guess im just wondering where to get them
[08:05:31] <f3ew> yajith, make sure you never run out of space?
[08:05:36] <rob0> yaj, maybe a special transport(5) to the bcc address
[08:05:50] <yajith> f3ew: :)
[08:06:17] <yajith> rob0: can u pls. explain a bit more..not familiar with that one over here..
[08:06:38] <rob0> I'm not even sure it would work.
[08:06:49] <rob0> 07:05 < f3ew> yajith, make sure you never run out of space?
[08:06:54] * f3ew upgrades his phone
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[08:07:48] <yajith> f3ew: rob0: this is wut m doing rite now..but wanted to make sure if there is anyway.. :)
[08:08:43] <yajith> force: u can use maps for pry much anything u have a list of stuf..
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[08:09:13] <yajith> force: be it known list of spammers, list of users, ips etc..
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[08:11:29] <yajith> force: check out postmap rltd. stuf just for the fun of it..
[08:12:23] <force> okay will do thanks
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[08:32:01] <jamiel> Morning All, I am looking to move a large problemsome mail queue to a different server ... is this simply a case of moving the spool?
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[10:31:26] <recon1025> hello everyone
[10:43:31] <R1ck> f3ew: what method do you use to provide redundancy in case one of those md3000s fails?
[10:43:45] <f3ew> R1ck, duplicate SAN
[10:44:21] <R1ck> f3ew: do you rsync the data nightly or something to the other md3000?
[10:44:30] <f3ew> hourly
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[10:45:19] <R1ck> ah. and how much data is that? i noticed rsync always takes a long time to calculate differences and stuff
[10:45:38] <f3ew> not much at the moment
[10:46:27] <R1ck> 1G? 100G? 1M? :)
[10:47:01] <f3ew> ~ 10G or so
[10:47:14] <f3ew> that's the mail
[10:47:32] <f3ew> then there's the database stuff for the other app, which is ~ 400 GB as a text dump
[10:48:14] <R1ck> ah.. we currently have 74G of mail.. to rsync that would take long I'm afraid, but I really dont want to configure drbd or something on the NAS'es
[10:48:28] <R1ck> by the way, what kind of OS runs on those MD3000's ?
[10:54:09] <f3ew> Linux w/ iSCSI
[10:55:04] <R1ck> openfiler or your own implementation?
[10:55:41] <f3ew> openfiler
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[11:03:01] <R1ck> f3ew: cool, thanks
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[12:59:25] <p4t> hi, my mails which i receive, doesn't appear in the "new" folder in my maildir.... they are just stored directly in maildir. any ideas what i've could done wrong?
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[14:10:52] <inki> hi
[14:11:05] <inki> can someone help me with -- postfix/anvil[6881]: warning: dict_open_dlinfo: wildcard dynamic map entry no longer supported.
[14:13:38] <sysmonk> pastebin your postconf -n
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[14:30:20] <inki> sysmonk: http://ingmar.name/postconf.txt
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[14:34:16] <Zerial> hi, how can I set differents "emails per seconds" for differents domains ?
[14:35:23] <lunaphyte_> inki: postconf -n, dude.
[14:35:24] <sysmonk> inki: postconf -n
[14:35:35] <sysmonk> not postconf
[14:35:38] <sysmonk> right lunaphyte_ :)
[14:36:07] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: why didn't you just ask for that in the first place?  oh, right - you did.
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[14:36:25] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: i was reading your sentence and i was already writing 'but i did...'
[14:36:28] <sysmonk> ;))
[14:37:03] <inki> upps sorry http://ingmar.name/postconf.txt
[14:38:24] <sysmonk> you must have a * somewhere in your configs
[14:38:32] <sysmonk> OR you didn't restart postfix after upgrade
[14:38:46] <sysmonk> but you'd have more problems than only this warning :)
[14:39:44] * cpm has more problems than sysmonk's warnings
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[14:41:10] <lunaphyte_> start commenting out maps and see when it goes away.
[14:41:31] <Scorchin> after adding details to vmailbox and creating the relevant directory for the account. Should running postmap /etc/postfix/vmailbox create the inbox file within the accounts directory?
[14:42:12] <lunaphyte_> Scorchin: if it's able to, yes.
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[14:44:02] <Scorchin> lunaphyte, but if it can't will postmap bring up an error upon running?
[14:45:21] <lunaphyte_> oh - oops.. i thought you said postfix.  no, postmap won't do that.
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[14:50:13] <Scorchin> crap
[14:50:32] <Scorchin> well, if on a server where everything has already been setup for a domain
[14:50:40] <Scorchin> only im adding a new account/user
[14:51:01] <Scorchin> do I just need to edit vmailbox, create the account names directory, and then run postmap?
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[14:58:18] <lunaphyte_> you don't ned to do any of that.  postfix will do it (if possible) when mail is first delivered.
[14:58:46] <Scorchin> nevermind
[14:58:51] <Scorchin> iptables was blocking me
[14:58:52] <Scorchin> :p
[14:58:58] <Scorchin> thanks for your help :)
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[15:21:21] <cpm> iptables, , , , , Of DEATH!
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[15:45:14] <dmn42> hello
[15:46:18] <dmn42> how can I make my secondary mx with postfix ask if user exists on primary and reject of not instead of receiving and making a bounce?
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[15:49:13] <cpm> running a secondary (backup) mx is tricky, and this is just one of the reasons why.
[15:49:52] <cpm> if you are running virtual users, with a mysql backend or something, it's not that hard, just replicate the dns database
[15:52:43] <dmn42> postfix does not have anything like milter-ahead?
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[15:54:39] <cpm> can't query if the primary isn't up, so what's the point?
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[15:56:19] <Zerial> Can I set differents delivery rate for differents domains? For example set 4 emails per seconds for hotmail.com and 7 emals per second for gmail.com ?
[15:58:27] <lunaphyte_> if the primary is available for recipient validation, why wouldn't it be available for delivery?
[15:58:32] <dmn42> cpm, i mean situation when primary is online
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[16:16:46] <CAiRO> how can i configure postfix so that it only sends bounce mails if the sender has a valid spf record? i constantly get errors for postfix bounce mails since the sender (from) is probably faked
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[16:48:19] <lunaphyte_> why are you bouncing messages in the first place?
[16:48:46] <sysmonk> bouncey bouncey bouncey ;P
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[16:49:31] <sysmonk> #postfix is more silent lately, isn't it?
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[16:49:55] <lunaphyte_> yeah, but deadly.
[16:50:00] <seekwill> Tis not the season to mail
[16:51:28] <lunaphyte_> i don't get spam anymore, ever since i stopped using email.
[16:51:45] <sysmonk> hehe
[16:51:50] <sysmonk> yeah, that's true.
[16:53:56] <lunaphyte_> it's weird.  all day long, i'll be doing something where i'm not reading email, and be getting no spam at all.  then, i'll go check my email, and suddenly i'll have a bunch of spam dating all the way back to when i last checked my messages.
[16:55:10] <seekwill> That is totally weird.
[16:55:14] <seekwill> postconf...
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[17:02:27] <sysmonk> i think lunaphyte_ really needs help
[17:02:30] <CAiRO> lunaphyte_: how can i turn off bounce mails?
[17:02:39] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: did you try to turn it off and on again?
[17:02:49] <seekwill> Turn off bouces? WHY?
[17:03:10] <sysmonk> seekwill: just for a while, to give postfix a rest
[17:03:11] <lunaphyte_> CAiRO: by unplugging your mail server.
[17:03:14] <sysmonk> and then reenable
[17:03:14] <sysmonk> ;)
[17:03:22] <CAiRO> because of all those faked from addresses
[17:03:26] <seekwill> oh
[17:03:32] <sysmonk> CAiRO: oh, backscatter ;)
[17:03:32] <seekwill> What, postfix can't handle ???
[17:03:59] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: i turned it off, but when i tried to turn it on, nothing happens.  it just sits there, limp.
[17:04:07] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: oh my
[17:04:19] <CAiRO> my postfix has like 10k mails in the queue and all are bounce mails which fail to get sent because the faked sender does not exist
[17:04:21] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: did you feed it?
[17:04:37] <CAiRO> whats the best way to avoid such things?
[17:04:39] <lunaphyte_> CAiRO: you don't turn off bounces, you avoid them, by not accepting mail you can't (or don't plan to deliver) in the first place.  do not accept mail if you cannot deliver it.
[17:09:54] <CAiRO> lol, ok, i think ive had soft bounces turned on
[17:10:45] <seekwill> What are soft bounces?
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[17:11:59] <R1ck> seekwill: when a mail would bounce, the message remains in the queue instead of getting bounced
[17:12:41] * seekwill is still confused
[17:12:55] <seekwill> When trying to send an email, but it was transfailed by the remote system?
[17:13:49] <R1ck> eg when you receive an email but your LDA (maildrop, procmail etc) is misconfigured and rejects the mail.. it then holds the message in the queue and tries again later iirc
[17:14:26] <seekwill> uh ok
[17:14:29] <CAiRO> i think thats the cause for my queue getting bigger and bigger
[17:14:42] <seekwill> Don't misconfigure!
[17:15:06] <CAiRO> yea, im thinking about giving up my own mail hosting.. too much effort
[17:15:12] <seekwill> :)
[17:15:23] <seekwill> Gmail!
[17:15:41] <CAiRO> each time i have to look into the postfix configuration, i wish i hadnt.. because it has one million options and i dont understand half of them
[17:15:57] <Dominian> heh
[17:16:00] <CAiRO> yeah, a real alternative.. as far as i know gmail can handle mails for my domain if set up so
[17:16:01] <lunaphyte_> yeah, definitely.  the more complete strangers i can give access to my mail, the better.
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[17:16:03] <Dominian> documentation ftw!
[17:16:10] <Dominian> CAiRO: it can
[17:16:17] <Dominian> CAiRO: I push jabber through them with google apps
[17:16:27] <Dominian> and at some point.. I probably will roll my email tot hem.. but we'll see
[17:16:38] <seekwill> Dominian: GIVING UP???? NO!
[17:16:53] <Dominian> haha
[17:16:55] <Dominian> not likely
[17:17:00] <Dominian> but its always a good fall-back option
[17:17:08] <R1ck> heh, and when you receive a mail at the google servers.. its theirs. so when you mail sourcecode, it'll belong to them
[17:17:12] <CAiRO> lunaphyte_: complete strangers?
[17:17:36] <lunaphyte_> yeah.  i don't know anyone who works at google.
[17:18:05] <CAiRO> lunaphyte_: yeah, but dozens of companys are involved for each email.. you probably dont even know their names
[17:18:26] <lunaphyte_> huh?  how do you figure?
[17:18:28] <CAiRO> and potentially, they all have access to the data their servers handle
[17:18:35] <seekwill> I read your email
[17:18:45] <CAiRO> lunaphyte_: except you send all your emails in your  lan
[17:18:51] <lunaphyte_> seekwill: that's because i send it to you.
[17:18:52] <CAiRO> but if you send them through the internet..
[17:19:15] <Dominian> R1ck: eh?
[17:19:22] <seekwill> lunaphyte: yep
[17:19:28] <lunaphyte_> something ephemeral has a much smaller attack surface than something resting on a disk.
[17:19:33] <seekwill> CAiRO: TLS
[17:19:49] <R1ck> Dominian: afaik, everything you put on google / gmail servers, will belong to them
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[17:20:04] <lunaphyte_> he has an accurate point, but it's not really a practical concept.
[17:20:06] <R1ck> it's in the terms & conditions
[17:20:08] <Dominian> R1ck: where'd you hear that?
[17:20:21] <Dominian> R1ck: I think you're mis-interpreting their terms
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[17:20:32] <CAiRO> seekwill: does  your mail server also encrypt the mails it sends to others? or is only the connection from your mail client to your server encrypted?
[17:20:51] <seekwill> CAiRO: That's kinda a client thing...
[17:20:53] <Dominian> and anything *that* sensitive.. I GPG encrypt
[17:21:02] <lunaphyte_> regardless, terms and conditions serve no purpose other than possible recourse, at best.  they prevent nothing from happening.
[17:21:03] <CAiRO> R1ck: even if it was in their terms it would be illegal in most countries
[17:21:13] <Dominian> including the US
[17:21:36] <Dominian> I believe the terms basically state that you can use your servers.. etc etc etc, but we will use your emails against you if legal proceedings yada yada yada dictate
[17:21:39] <CAiRO> seekwill: so all those providers which route your data through the various networks could also read your mails .. if they wanted to
[17:22:08] <seekwill> CAiRO: I'm not disagreeing with you!
[17:22:12] <Dominian> hehe
[17:22:20] <R1ck> well, being an admin myself I'd rather have full control over my mail instead of having to rely on a company
[17:22:27] <CAiRO> so i dont trust google any more or less than those providers
[17:22:27] <Dominian> in reality, email is the most unsecure form of communication in the world
[17:22:30] <lunaphyte_> yes, of course, but the practical application of the concept pales in comparison.
[17:22:45] <Dominian> just GPG encrypt your messages.. if you're that worried
[17:23:08] <lunaphyte_> CAiRO: you're disregarding real world concepts.
[17:23:50] <R1ck> we are required by law to notify the justice department about what e-mailaccounts we host, what websites, who mails who and when etc
[17:24:21] <R1ck> someone always knows what you're doing.. big brother is watching ;)
[17:24:21] <rob0> huh?
[17:24:31] <lunaphyte_> yes, and citizens are by law required to pay taxes.
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[17:25:02] * rob0 has never notified the spooks about such things
[17:25:38] <R1ck> we get 10.000 euro's a year and 5 euro's or something per transaction
[17:25:51] <rob0> oh you're in EU
[17:25:53] <R1ck> from the government
[17:25:56] <lunaphyte_> rob0: i believe there is a special exclusionary clause, in your particular case.
[17:25:56] <R1ck> yeah, .NL
[17:26:24] <rob0> well that sucks.
[17:27:01] <lunaphyte_> if [[ "${rob0}" ]]; then all_bets_are_off("{$rand}"); fi
[17:27:01] <R1ck> yup
[17:27:36] <R1ck> if you don't comply and they find out, you can get fined for like 5000,- euro's a day or something
[17:28:01] <R1ck> although I dont think any of the ISP's have been fined so far for not complying
[17:28:30] <R1ck> the major ISP's who represent about 95% of the consumer market all comply
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[17:40:19] <CAiRO> hmm, ok, unfortunately i still have a problem with bounced mails.. how do i find out why an email is bounced instead of rejected?
[17:40:36] <CAiRO> i get log messages like this: Dec 19 17:39:13 vedron postfix/virtual[6737]: 16D9C5D002D: to=<fax at btmmusic dot de>, relay=virtual, delay=0.08, delays=0.06/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "fax at btmmusic dot de")
[17:41:02] <rob0> unknown user: "fax at btmmusic dot de"
[17:41:16] <CAiRO> yes, but why does it not reject that email?
[17:41:21] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[17:41:22] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
[17:41:30] <rob0> dunno, I guess you messed up
[17:41:54] <rob0> maybe some not-so-magic tricks in virtual aliasing?
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[17:42:27] <rob0> maybe a wildcard in virtual_$X_maps
[17:42:30] <CAiRO> well, i also have these other messages saying "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table".. and those mails get rejected
[17:42:54] <CAiRO> strange...
[17:43:12] <rob0> well, I already gave you 2 suggestions, get to work!
[17:43:37] <daguz> I'm trying to setup TLS and verify its proper operation.  We can see (with packet sniffer and headers) that the message has been encrypted.  However on many messages the header says: "(No client certificate requested)".  Is this bad, do we care?
[17:43:50] <lunaphyte_> daguz: no.
[17:43:51] <daguz> WE see this both sending and receiving.
[17:43:58] <daguz> no not bad and we dont care?
[17:44:01] <daguz> cool..
[17:44:09] <lunaphyte_> unless you were expecting the client to provide a cert.
[17:44:35] <rob0> Client certs are not much used in SMTP.
[17:45:05] <daguz> How does the certificate get authenticated?
[17:45:12] <daguz> (on either side)
[17:45:23] <CAiRO> !unknown user
[17:45:24] <knoba> CAiRO: Error: "unknown" is not a valid command.
[17:45:34] <CAiRO> !unknown_user
[17:45:35] <knoba> CAiRO: Error: "unknown_user" is not a valid command.
[17:45:47] <lunaphyte_> daguz: typically (like rob0 said) tls isn't used for authentication.
[17:46:02] <daguz> ok. thanks it sounded bad...
[17:46:10] <daguz> now we're not too worried.
[17:46:12] <daguz> :)
[17:46:13] <rob0> Clients always check server certs, but mostly the standard is to not worry about MITM possibilities.
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[17:46:54] <roe_> man in the middle <something>?
[17:47:06] <roe_> doh, I'm an idiot
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[17:47:17] <roe_> need my coffee
[17:48:30] <rob0> you need each end to require and verify certs in order to prevent "man in the middle" attacks.
[17:48:43] <lunaphyte_> hmm.  i always thought mitm was mustard in the mayonnaise.
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[17:49:30] <roe_> is that a spin off of russian dressing
[17:50:39] <daguz> rob0: you said clients always check server certs: How do I verify this is happening by my side (when I'm the client)?
[17:50:42] <rob0> It's a potato salad recipe.
[17:51:43] <rob0> if you connected to a site where the cert did not match the reverse DNS name, you'd see that in logs.
[17:52:43] <daguz> thanks, that helps..  is there a good summary of how the tls works other than postfix's documentation?  WE've not found that useful for understanding the overall concepts.
[17:54:00] <daguz> Is this an openssl question?
[17:55:10] <roe_> clients are becoming *much* more sensitive to fake certs these days, just try the beta of tbird to see
[17:55:58] <rob0> it IS an openssl question, and I don't know much about that
[17:56:01] <lunaphyte_> private ca ftw.
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[18:20:16] <jelly> lunaphyte_: so a mitm attack is really a food fight prelude?
[18:22:30] <rob0> Interesting that such a comment comes from "jelly"
[18:22:37] * rob0 puts jelly in a jam
[18:23:14] <jelly> rob0++ for not making a pb&j pun
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[18:36:22] <cheetahj25> after i add an email into the /etc/postfix/virtual for virtual ... how can I update the database?
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[18:36:28] <cheetahj25> emails are still getting rejected
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[18:38:38] * peanutbutter spreads himself all over jelly.
[18:38:39] <f3ew> postmap
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[18:38:51] <f3ew> heh
[18:38:54] <cheetahj25> postmap: fatal: usage: postmap [-Nfinoprsvw] [-c config_dir] [-d key] [-q key] [map_type:]file...
[18:39:07] <rob0> "man 5 virtual" tells you what to do
[18:39:12] <rob0> and so does that
[18:39:13] <cheetahj25> is the syntax...  postmap /etc/postfix/virtual ?
[18:39:19] <f3ew> yes
[18:39:56] <cheetahj25> sweet thanks...
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[18:40:38] <cheetahj25> sorry i usually do my research.. and i actually knew that at one point.. just slipped my mind.. and some mails were getting rejected.. i will make sure to note this and write it down, so i dont forget again
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[19:08:25] <inki> re
[19:09:26] <seekwill> er
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[19:21:28] <dupondje> Is it possible to disable spamassassin only for users auth'ed with SASL ?
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[19:23:21] <rob0> Easiest and best way, have your users use a submission service (port 587).
[19:24:09] <jeev_> wow
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[19:24:11] <jeev_> when i heard submission
[19:24:13] <jeev_> i thought sendmail
[19:24:16] <jeev_> and i almost hurled
[19:25:12] <seekwill> What's wrong with sendmail?
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[19:26:43] <dupondje> rob0: that could be an option, but nothing SASL specific ?
[19:27:10] <rob0> Oh sure, you might be able to rig something up
[19:27:35] <dupondje> cause I have some users sending mailing lists
[19:27:43] <dupondje> and all their mails get checked by spamassassin
[19:27:47] <dupondje> causing a HUGE load
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[19:34:33] <seekwill> I'd probably want to separate your mailing list MTA from your corporate/transactional MTA
[19:35:04] <dupondje> running 2 postfix then ? :x
[19:35:07] <thumbs> offload it to seekwill's server
[19:35:18] <seekwill> Sure
[19:36:28] <seekwill> Yes, run two instances of postfix, if for anything, IP reputation
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[19:40:31] <seekwill> thumbs: haha, seriously I would too haha
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[20:16:38] <Broom> hey all
[20:16:51] <Broom> i'm getting this error msg on the mail.log: dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (<RELAYHOST>)
[20:16:54] <Broom> nothing else
[20:16:59] <Broom> and all of the mails are bounced
[20:17:01] <Broom> any ideas?
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[20:37:28] <rob0> /topic might have been a good idea
[20:37:36] <seekwill> :)
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[21:42:54] <sahil> rob0: unfortunately the frequent pleas of help come from the type of people who don't read /topic; if they did and also took the time to even glance at docs, there would be much less traffic in here.
[21:45:34] <rob0> And we would have far less amusement!
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[21:55:05] <daguz> Thanks for the answers to the earlier questions!  Help me with a quick sanity check.  I'm a small company with about 5 email boxes and about 10 aliases...  We pops/imaps our email off of a simple/single linux host (SuSE Enterprise Linux 10 Sp2).  We are setting up TLS (this is what you helped me with earlier).  Then I'm setting up spamassassin and clamd.   I've just installed amavisd-new to go along with this.  Is there anything that i'm obviously miss
[21:55:30] <daguz> I'm only struggling now on configuration issues.
[21:56:01] <daguz> But if there are significantly better programs (to spamassassin and clamd) then I'd like to know about that.
[21:57:24] <daguz> I'm also getting conflicting information on use of relay block lists... should they be used or not?  I"m thinking no...
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[21:57:44] <daguz> I've configured a SPF txt record for dns.
[21:57:59] <daguz> What else to do.
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[22:00:07] <rob0> IME clamav is rather superfluous with sane SMTP checks. Zen and helo checks take out almost any virus you might see.
[22:00:21] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[22:00:22] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[22:00:24] <rob0> !zen
[22:00:25] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[22:05:43] <dactor> Hello guys, I have a problem with my postfix. i have pastebin the postconf -n / part of the log (latest) at http://pastebin.com/d4f7724b1     http://pastebin.com/d7d6edfee . I am unable to understand what is going on, we have small server with like 30 users and keep having high activity in the mail log file eventhough there is no sending or receiving!! can someone please assist me? THANKS A MILLION.
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[22:11:31] <dactor> can anyone help please?!
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[22:17:09] <dactor> anyone!!!!
[22:18:45] <dactor> thanks......too helpful it hurts.......
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[22:19:37] <lunaphyte_> this channel reminds me of that show on mtv, boiling points.
[22:25:34] <sahil> nah, it's more like 'fucking retards'.
[22:33:23] <wdp_> hm
[22:33:36] <wdp_> 8 minutes
[22:33:39] <wdp_> and no one answered
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[22:33:43] <wdp_> that hurts.
[22:33:48] <wdp_> i would have said "no"
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[22:45:53] <Bart[mdv]> Hello. Why postfix does not rcv mail from IPv6 address?
[22:45:55] <Bart[mdv]> postfix/smtpd[32763]: NOQUEUE: reject: EHLO from unknown[2001:470:90ba:5:21b:fcff:fe9c:a4ed]: 501 5.5.2 <[2001:470:90ba:5:21b:fcff:fe9c:a4ed]>: Helo command rejected: invalid ip address; proto=SMTP helo=<[2001:470:90ba:5:21b:fcff:fe9c:a4ed]>
[22:46:08] <Bart[mdv]> I try send mail from 2001:470:90ba:5:21b:fcff:fe9c:a4ed
[22:46:41] <Dominian> You have it listening on IPv6?
[22:47:04] <Dominian> what does: postconf -n | grep inet_protocols   return
[22:47:43] <Bart[mdv]> I can rcv email if IPv6 address have reverse DNS record
[22:48:24] <Bart[mdv]> # postconf -n | grep inet_protocols
[22:48:24] <Bart[mdv]> inet_protocols = all
[22:49:33] <Dominian> then it something with smtpd
[22:49:36] <Bart[mdv]> also I can recive email if IPv6 address (or subnet) added in mynetworks
[22:49:42] <Dominian> look int your smtpd_* restructions
[22:49:48] <Dominian> restrictions
[22:56:42] <Bart[mdv]> http://rafb.net/p/MzW6dV62.html
[22:56:50] <Bart[mdv]> this is my main.cf
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[23:49:46] <sahil> Bart[mdv]: postconf -n is preferred.
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