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[00:18:41] <jarrodsl9> Hey, I posted here earlier and thought my problem was fixed, but it turns out that only part of it was . . .  My verbose /var/log/maillog entries are located here: http://pastebin.ca/1288032, and my non verbose ones are here http://pastebin.ca/1288059.  Basically, every time I try to authenticate I get :SASL authentication failure: size read failed, followed by "password authentication failed" and finally, "SASL PLAIN authentication failed: generic fai
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[01:49:46] <Comet> hey guys, i'm using Ubuntu 8.04 server and i'm trying to add-in support for postfix-postgresql.. i installed the package for it via apt-get, but when I do a postconf -m |grep pgsql  i get nothing.. is there anything i need to add to my conf to accept this new addition?
[01:57:33] <lunaphyte> Comet: does /usr/lib/postfix/dict_pgsql.so exist?
[01:58:39] <Comet> ahh yes indeed it does
[01:59:05] <lunaphyte> and what does postconf -m say?
[01:59:38] <Comet> its just empty haha
[02:00:14] <rob0> huh?
[02:00:26] <Comet> nevermind i just had to restart postfix.. LOL!
[02:00:36] <Comet> thar she be
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[02:01:26] <Comet> sorry dudes, noob city over here.
[02:01:45] <Comet> plus its been a long day :\
[02:02:17] * rob0 again wonders why every noob needs SQL ...
[02:03:01] <Comet> virtual userdb's for dovecot :~(
[02:03:23] <rob0> I'm still wondering :)
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[02:03:50] <Comet> because we try to cram 50+ domains on one server for httpd and email hosting
[02:04:15] <rob0> Wow, big job to hand off to a noob.
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[02:04:29] <Comet> yea man totally sucks.
[02:08:17] * thumbs wonders why noobs are system administrators
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[02:09:32] <lunaphyte> i've been contemplating on how i can filter mail.log on a server that runs amavis to generate more meaningful output with pflogsumm.
[02:10:13] <rob0> lunaphyte: I have your answer.
[02:10:40] <rob0> make a symlink to smtpd called "reinject"
[02:10:51] <rob0> use that as your service name for the reinjection port
[02:11:07] <rob0> it will be logged as such
[02:11:28] <lunaphyte> that is clever.
[02:11:52] <rob0> I actually did it with a hard link, but a symlink make more sense, doesn't break when you upgrade.
[02:12:27] <rob0> might need to patch pflogsumm.pl
[02:12:42] <rob0> (so it knows how to trace a message through the filter)
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[02:16:12] <lunaphyte> the author seems to have little faith.  http://www.security-express.com/archives/postfix/2002-02/2098.html
[02:18:57] <lunaphyte> of course, that's quite old, and there seem to be a few preprocessors floating around out there now.
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[03:43:05] <sahil> screw pflogsumm; postfix-logwatch ftw!
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[05:00:29] <jarrodsl9> can someone please help me figure out what "warning: SASL authentication failure: size read failed" means, and how I can fix it
[05:01:03] <sahil> jarrodsl9: what errors surround that one?
[05:01:20] <sahil> jarrodsl9: you best paste that information along with the output of 'postconf -n' at pastie.org.
[05:02:09] <jarrodsl9> okay
[05:11:05] <jarrodsl9> http://pastie.org/342052
[05:11:11] <jarrodsl9> thanks in advance for the help
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[05:28:39] <jarrodsl9> sahil: I can provide the non-verbose output too, if that would be easier
[05:29:20] <pickcoder> does postconf -a  list cyrus?
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[05:29:47] <jarrodsl9> yes
[05:30:00] <pickcoder> what client is connecting?
[05:30:32] <jarrodsl9> I'm connecting via the in the log localhost, but have tried externally too on mac mail and thunderbird
[05:31:02] <jarrodsl9> it says the same thing, "size read failed" no matter where I try to connect from
[05:31:24] <jarrodsl9> when I do testsaslauthd -u username -p password, it's always successful, so I don't think it's a cyrus error
[05:31:56] * pickcoder shrugs
[05:32:06] <pickcoder> the only way I've implemented SASL is via dovecot auth
[05:32:19] * sahil too; dovecot always seemed to be cleaner. :)
[05:33:15] <jarrodsl9> I used cyrus once before and everything worked out fine... this is a second machine and as far as I know I've done everything exactly the same.
[05:33:56] <pickcoder> selinux?
[05:34:07] <jarrodsl9> freebsd
[05:34:29] <sahil> freebsd, well at least you're on the right track. :-)
[05:34:29] <pickcoder> is selinux enabled?
[05:34:40] <jarrodsl9> oh, no
[05:34:41] <sahil> pickcoder: good god no, not on freebsd!
[05:35:11] <sahil> jarrodsl9: can you increase verbosity on sasl?
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[05:35:37] <sahil> jarrodsl9: when you do that, your log should output something like SASL authentication debug: foo bar
[05:36:18] <jarrodsl9> okay
[05:36:36] <sahil> along with trace, et cetera.  it might help troubleshoot.
[05:37:09] <sahil> but, again, i hope someone who has experience with postfix+cyrus comes along to help.  i've only used dovecot.
[05:37:39] <jarrodsl9> if I were to just pkg_delete cyrus and use dovecot would that create more problems than it would solve with broken dependencies, etc?
[05:37:54] <growltiger> dovecot rules
[05:38:02] <sahil> heh, i just realized that goebel jacked textmate color schemes. :)
[05:38:37] <sahil> jarrodsl9: not really; but of course you'd have to make sure postfix were compiled w/ dovecot support and configure dovecot to work as expected with postfix.
[05:39:14] <sahil> jarrodsl9: it's probably worth your while to exhaust all troubleshooting options with cyrus first.  if for nothing else, just the satisfaction of solving a problem.
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[05:43:52] <pickcoder> software replacement is always a viable troubleshooting solution
[05:43:55] <pickcoder> heh
[05:46:51] <jarrodsl9> in /usr/local/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf  I added "debug_peer_level: 2" but I'm guessing these parameters are incorrect since nothing changed in the log . . . would you guys by chance happen to know the correct parameters?  I'm going to consult the man pages, but that might be more convenient.
[05:49:10] <jarrodsl9> nevermind, i put -d in rc.conf
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[05:59:00] <sahil> jarrodsl9: having some connectivity issues?
[05:59:05] <squisher> can anyone help me to get to the root of "warning: process /usr/lib64/postfix/local pid xxx exit status 1" ?
[05:59:23] <squisher> I have like no clue how to proceed, I don't see any other useful log messages
[05:59:38] <sahil> squisher: not without the help of a crystal ball, or maybe some more useful information as requested rather _clearly_ in the /topic.
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[05:59:52] <sahil> :)
[06:00:26] <squisher> sahil, hehe, ok, let me work on that
[06:00:48] <jarrodsl9_> yeah . . . Mac mail was in the background incessantly imapping my server, and now I'm locked out . . . trying to get back in with some nice 2g internet capabilities thanks to my wonderful small town and its nearly non-existant cell towers
[06:00:49] * squisher is a bit worried about his server...
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[06:02:39] <squisher> http://pastebin.com/d26428faf
[06:02:44] <squisher> sahil: ^^ is that better?
[06:03:56] <sahil> better for whom?
[06:04:15] * sahil senses some sarcasm and exercises the ignore
[06:04:25] <squisher> haha
[06:04:54] <sahil> wtf are you typing to start postfix?
[06:05:28] <squisher> the usual /etc/init.d/postfix start ?
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[06:45:08] <squisher> I get absolutely nothing in the logs... only that postfix smtpd exited with status 1
[06:45:30] <squisher> even when I set debug_peer_level up to 3
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[06:47:43] <f3ew> squisher, are you logging mail.* to a single file?
[06:47:54] <squisher> no, I have .err, .warn and .info
[06:49:15] <f3ew> Then your messages are going to different files :)
[06:50:30] <squisher> f3ew, really? :-) I actually checked all of them, then make a connection with telnet, and I only get two lines of output in mail.warn
[06:50:50] <squisher> postfix/master[29049]: warning: process /usr/lib64/postfix/smtpd pid 29219 exit status 1
[06:50:56] <squisher> postfix/master[29049]: warning: /usr/lib64/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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[06:51:11] <squisher> that's it, nothing else.
[06:51:33] <squisher> I do have a setup with amavis / clamav, which could be the culprit, but their messages get logged to the same files and I see nothing :-\
[06:53:09] <squisher> anything on google just tells me to check for other log messages, but I see none
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[06:58:16] <squisher> and I get the same error with local...
[07:09:16] <f3ew> !debug
[07:09:17] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[07:10:50] <squisher> thanks f3ew, I'll go over that list
[07:19:24] <squisher> hmm, using local -v or smtpd -v doesn't give me any useful info either: http://pastebin.ca/1288386
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[07:30:47] <squisher> great, the strace debugger in the DEBUG_README doesn't work for me either
[07:31:46] <squisher> I see the "running: " entry, but no output at all
[07:31:52] <f3ew> Uh?
[07:32:11] <f3ew> you need to run strace with -o /tmp/log or something
[07:32:16] <squisher> Dec 17 23:31:49 tau postfix/smtpd[30274]: running: PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin         (strace -p 30274 2>&1 | logger -p mail.info) & sleep 5
[07:32:24] <f3ew> K
[07:32:25] <squisher> that's as suggested in the docs
[07:32:31] <squisher> but - no output in mail.info
[07:32:38] <f3ew> See what it's doing with ps
[07:32:48] <squisher> how can I, the process quits really fast
[07:33:23] <f3ew> strace -ff -o /tmp/log -p <PID OF THE MASTER PROCESS>
[07:34:04] <squisher> ok, not sure what I can take away from that output though
[07:36:35] <squisher> ah, I see what you mean, let me check the logs
[07:36:47] <squisher> much easier than the debugging command btw :-)
[07:39:36] <squisher> f3ew, man, you rock :-)
[07:39:44] <squisher> and postfix sucks, but anyways :-P
[07:41:43] <squisher> this is seriously retarded - why the heck couldn't it log somewhere that it couldn't open the aliasdb?
[07:42:17] <roe_> mine does, mine even logs when it tells me I need to run newaliases because it is out of date
[07:46:09] <squisher> sigh, here nada - I think I just wasted ~2h on that
[07:46:25] <f3ew> Mine does
[07:46:39] <squisher> I do think I've seen the message before as well
[07:46:53] <squisher> but here I had to look at the strace to find out about it
[07:47:07] <f3ew> What changed?
[07:47:07] <squisher> anyways, thanks for the help f3ew
[07:47:12] <f3ew> yw
[07:47:20] <squisher> new system, that's all
[07:47:24] <f3ew> Knowing how to use debugging tools helps
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[07:47:49] <squisher> hehe, right, I didn't think about using the -ff to follow to the child processes
[07:48:03] <squisher> seriously, they should add that to the DEBUG_README
[07:48:51] <f3ew> that really depends on what you are trying to do
[07:49:09] <f3ew> On a busy server, trying to trace all children of master is horrible
[07:49:13] <squisher> haha
[07:49:22] <squisher> true enough
[07:49:38] <f3ew> As I said, know your tools
[07:49:49] <squisher> well, but for some reason that debugging_command didn't work for me - which is strange in its own right
[07:50:01] <squisher> Right, it probably doesn't help that it's pretty late...
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[08:39:41] <zuran_> I have a slight problem/feature :) When sending an email to Person X, and also to an alias where X is included, X will recieve the email twice... This is all very logical! But my question is if there's a way to add an inch of intelligence in Postfix to make these double deliveries into a single delivery? I'm using maildrop to deliver the emails to the users maildirs
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[08:44:41] <sysmonk> zuran_: show us a delivery log for that kind of email
[08:45:11] <sysmonk> er, just pastbein it, don't paste to the channel :)
[08:45:33] <sep> zuran_, acording to the FAQ you can not do that
[08:49:25] <sysmonk> stuff like cyrus can 'fix' that though
[08:49:37] <sysmonk> it has an option called dublicate suppresion
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[08:54:20] <zuran_> okay, anyways, here is an example output... most is spamd... http://pastebin.ca/1288421
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[08:58:13] <sysmonk> i don't see any dublicate deliveries there
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[09:01:04] <shasta> 'dublicate'? ;)
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[09:04:49] <sysmonk> duPlicate
[09:04:53] <sysmonk> :P
[09:04:57] <zuran_> sysmonk, it's because i'm stupid, i showed the wrong log... here's the real log.. user "emil" gets the email twice: http://pastebin.ca/1288430
[09:06:25] <zuran_> since he's adressed both by email address and in the alias "kaffe"
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[12:02:06] <redduck666> i'd like to configure my mail server so that it would allow mails only to certain addresses to be sent, ie, to mail at my_domain dot com and me at gmail dot com and nothing else. what setting should i be looking at?  smtpd_recipient_restrictions  ddoesn't seem to be what i am looking for
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[12:05:37] <sep> redduck666, perhaps something like smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/recipient_access, reject
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[12:10:06] <redduck666> sep: that is excatly what i had so far, it doesn't seem to affect stuff sent with mail(1) from localhost
[12:11:19] <sep> becouse there is no rcpt to there
[12:12:08] <redduck666> :-(
[12:12:15] <redduck666> how can i block those to?
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[14:38:51] <x_dimitri> I keep getting the following error : "(connect to localhost[127.0.0.1]: Connection refused)." Postfix is configured to use amavis for scanning. I understand (from speaking to someone) that this error is amavis-related. Does anyone know how to fix this?
[14:40:28] <x_dimitri> alternatively, how do I disable amavis so that postfix doesn't use it for scanning/
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[14:42:48] <R1ck> x_dimitri: amavis is probably either in content_filter in main.cf or in transport_maps
[14:43:07] <Dominian> content_filter more than likely
[14:43:15] <R1ck> x_dimitri: perhaps you are missing a line in master.cf for the re-entry point from amavis
[14:43:15] <Dominian> does it do it on everything?
[14:43:42] <x_dimitri> Dominian: yes
[14:44:42] <Dominian> if it does it on everything.. I'd do as R1ck suggested and check content_filter settings
[14:45:16] <x_dimitri> ok
[14:45:42] <x_dimitri> here's what I have for my content_filter setting: "content_filter = smtp:[localhost]:10025"
[14:45:54] <x_dimitri> however, there's nothing running on port 10025
[14:46:15] <x_dimitri> I suppose that's where amavis listens on?
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[14:49:45] <Dominian> supposed to listen on
[14:49:59] <x_dimitri> how do i go about disabling it?
[14:50:08] <Dominian> comment it out.. safe the config file and restart postfix
[14:50:16] <x_dimitri> I did,
[14:50:23] <x_dimitri> I'm still getting the same error
[14:50:42] <Dominian> so instead of content_filter = blah blah
[14:50:51] <Dominian> you have:   #content_filter = blah blah
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[14:51:40] <x_dimitri> yes, that's what I did
[14:52:27] <Dominian> and then: postfix reload
[14:52:34] <x_dimitri> yes, that too
[14:52:37] <Dominian> actually you may have to do postfix restart
[14:52:47] <Dominian> or restart it however your distro does
[14:52:55] <x_dimitri> i stopped it and started it again
[14:53:03] <Dominian> oh wait
[14:53:06] <Dominian> do you have emaisl int he queue?
[14:53:11] <x_dimitri> yes
[14:53:16] <Dominian> postsuper -r ALL
[14:53:16] <x_dimitri> mailq lists emails
[14:53:24] <x_dimitri> and requeued them using "po..
[14:53:29] <Dominian> have to requeue the messages to give them new "routing" information.
[14:53:31] <x_dimitri> ok, yeah, same command
[14:53:36] <x_dimitri> ok, I'll do it again
[14:54:21] <x_dimitri> ok, looks like they're going through
[14:54:25] <x_dimitri> thanks a lot
[14:54:32] <Dominian> no problem
[14:54:38] <x_dimitri> i still see some messages from "mailq"
[14:54:44] <x_dimitri> that retain the initial error
[14:54:48] <Dominian> give themt ime
[14:54:52] <x_dimitri> ok
[14:54:57] <Dominian> Did you remove amavis or something?
[14:55:18] <x_dimitri> nope...
[14:55:25] <x_dimitri> and talking about that...
[14:55:40] <x_dimitri> in master.cf.. I notive a reference to /usr/sbin/amavis
[14:55:46] <x_dimitri> but no such file exists
[14:55:57] <Dominian> Is this debian?
[14:55:58] <x_dimitri> however, the same config works just fine on another server
[14:56:04] <x_dimitri> ubuntu
[14:56:07] <x_dimitri> which is based on debian
[14:56:10] <Dominian> argh
[14:56:14] <Dominian> argh argh
[14:56:20] <Dominian> ubuntu does some stupid shit with their installa
[14:56:23] <jelly> heheh, chroot ftw!
[14:56:26] <Dominian> I manage an ubuntu email server..
[14:56:32] <jelly> or ftl, as the case may be
[14:56:34] <Dominian> I ripped all their crap out and installed everything via source
[14:57:15] <jelly> no need to rip everything out from Debian; can't vouch for Ubuntu though
[14:57:41] <x_dimitri> hm...
[14:57:51] <x_dimitri> um.. actually..
[14:57:56] <x_dimitri> my apologies...
[14:58:02] <x_dimitri> this is actually a suse 9 box
[14:58:19] <x_dimitri> I work with ubuntu most of the time so I just spit that out thoughtlessly
[14:58:25] <x_dimitri> it's suse 9 not ubuntu
[14:58:58] <stockholm> is suse 9 based on debian too? :-)
[14:59:10] <stockholm> suse9 is rather old, isnt it?
[14:59:40] <Dominian> suse 9 is definitely old
[14:59:48] <Dominian> 10.2 support was dropped a week ago if that tells you how old 9 is
[15:01:09] <x_dimitri> stockholm: it is...
[15:01:33] <x_dimitri> I couldn't even find ISOs on the net the other day when I needed to install mysql
[15:02:04] <x_dimitri> I had to "hack" it. I copied all relevant files (well, those I deemed relevant) from an identical server and crossed my fingers...
[15:02:20] <x_dimitri> ...and it worked. but of course that's no way to manage  a server
[15:08:57] * x_dimitri thanks everyone sincerely for their help.
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[15:09:19] <Dominian> then pay us! :P
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[15:09:58] * cpm pays Dominian with a sharp rap on the knuckles with a wooden ruler
[15:11:04] <Dominian> ow
[15:13:03] <cpm> behave
[15:13:28] <Dominian> NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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[15:17:40] * stas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhXBBvPhGDQ&feature=related
[15:20:21] <stockholm> lol
[15:20:46] <stockholm> stas: what is that about?
[15:23:56] <stas> stockholm: sorry, i thought i did a /me :)
[15:24:00] <stas> it's about
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[15:24:26] <stas> a reporter asks the question, what with you're washing your hair
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[15:24:55] <stas> and the old woman says with vinegar
[15:25:08] <stockholm> oh. shrudder
[15:25:27] <stockholm> does that clean well?
[15:25:29] <stas> then she's been asked WHY? and the old women says... kinda: WHY NOT?! :D
[15:25:35] <stockholm> lol
[15:25:40] <stas> I know :D
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[16:46:49] <Steve[cug]> ld
[16:46:54] <Steve[cug]> heys guys
[16:47:20] <Steve[cug]> anyone happen to know an easy way to push a mailspool through procmail?
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[16:48:50] <hparker> bulldozer?
[16:48:59] <Steve[cug]> ??
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[16:50:02] <MaximB> does "postfix -f" deletes my queue or releases them by sending them ?
[16:51:37] <Dominian> it flushes the queue
[16:51:55] <Dominian> meaning it attempts immediate delivery.. if it can be delivered.. it will remove it from the queue
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[16:53:15] <MaximB> cool, I cannot receive some emails from some people , how do I make sure they will always be delivered instead of queued ?
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[16:53:35] <Dominian> are they being rejected?
[16:54:57] <MaximB> they are being queued for some reason
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[16:56:07] <Dominian> uhhh
[16:56:14] <Dominian> all messages get queued then delivered...
[16:56:20] <Dominian> how long are the delays?
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[16:56:55] <MaximB> no delays, they just being queued forever from some addresses
[16:57:05] <Dominian> What are the error messages?
[16:57:08] <Dominian> there has to be a reason
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[17:10:03] <MaximB> mmm... I'll check that later, she is gone now and it says it has been delivered.. be back when I'll find out more about that issue , thanks.
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[17:54:49] <rrva> How can I make postfix cache undeliverable recipients for a long time without using recipient verification through probing?
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[17:59:52] <cpm> what?
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[18:09:26] <adaptr> the shock was too great
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[18:18:41] <phazzi> any1 have a good maillog parse?
[18:19:02] <f3ew> !pflogsumm
[18:19:02] <knoba> f3ew: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)
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[18:22:06] <phazzi> i know this but not too much useable to me, i need one to make reports by rcpt/sender
[18:22:20] <phazzi> iam looking for a php free source code, then i can change it
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[18:22:48] <adaptr> wow
[18:22:57] <adaptr> that's an amazing display of cluelessness
[18:23:31] <adaptr> did you actually TRY pflogsumm ?
[18:26:05] <phazzi> long time ago, and not good for me, but i will give it a new try :)
[18:26:09] * cpm tries adaptr
[18:26:09] <phazzi> :D
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[18:26:51] <phazzi> other thing
[18:27:12] <phazzi> my users have getting problems when configuring google to fetch mail from my pop3/imap server
[18:27:29] <phazzi> it say s(connection reseted by peer, remote server closed the connection)
[18:27:33] * cpm falls over
[18:27:50] <phazzi> anyone have any idea? already check everyting, cant find what is it
[18:28:01] <cpm> postfix isn't an imap/pop server
[18:28:09] <phazzi> :( when running on linux server was no problem, migrated to freebsd and start giving it
[18:28:25] <phazzi> pop3/imap is courrier...
[18:28:33] <phazzi> ooh this is postfix only channel eheh sorry
[18:28:41] <phazzi> then i have one to postfix
[18:28:52] <phazzi> listen this
[18:28:52] <phazzi> eheh
[18:29:33] <phazzi> the spammers are sending from: myemail at mydomain dot com after 'data' command, then it appear like i have sent the mail
[18:30:03] <phazzi> and at the mail from: parameter they are putting  other email, so SPF dont block it
[18:30:18] <phazzi> any know how to block FROM: after data command ?
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[18:41:25] <Haris_> Is it possible to deliver spam mail to users's Trash folder?
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[18:45:30] <phazzi> Haris_, with maildroprc its easy, are you using maildrop?
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[18:49:34] <adaptr> phazzi: since you obviously only allow mail from mynetworks or sasl-authenticated users, this is not a concern, as you will never deliver this spam to anyone
[18:49:44] <Mark_knopfler> parameter mail_owner: unknown user name value: postfix
[18:49:50] <Mark_knopfler> what does means ?
[18:49:53] <adaptr> of course, if you have managed to fuck up postfix's most basic protection mechanisms
[18:50:00] <Mark_knopfler> I have a user called postfix !!!
[18:50:14] <adaptr> inside your chrooted passwd ?
[18:50:18] <adaptr> I am doubting that
[18:51:57] <adaptr> play something for me
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[18:59:02] <phazzi> adaptr: but it happens on my MX server, user dont need to authenticate to send mail to a domain that i host, but spammers sending mail useing this technique, so email reached the user mailbox and on fucking outlook it appear from: <myuser at email dot com>
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[18:59:38] <phazzi> i need something to block from: parameter after data command
[18:59:55] <adaptr> phazzi: they don't need to authenticate when ?
[19:00:00] <adaptr> what kind of users ?
[19:00:54] <phazzi> users or other smtp servers dont  need to auth when sending mail to domains that i host
[19:01:14] <phazzi> mail reaching on my MX server dont need to authenticate if destination domain is hosted here
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[19:01:52] <phazzi> so, the spammers connect to my MX and do:
[19:01:57] <phazzi> helo spammer.com
[19:02:03] <phazzi> mail from: asdnfu at yahoo dot com
[19:02:10] <phazzi> rcpt to: phazzi at domain dot com
[19:02:11] <phazzi> data
[19:02:19] <phazzi> subject: buy v1agr4
[19:02:24] <phazzi> from: phazzi at domain dot com
[19:02:28] <phazzi> <mail content>
[19:02:29] <phazzi> .
[19:02:30] <phazzi> quit
[19:02:55] <phazzi> then the email reach my mailbox and on the outlook appear the FROM field like i have sent the email...
[19:03:20] <phazzi> got it ?
[19:04:08] <phazzi> its limited to just send to my email, he cant send to others address by cause a bad impression :(
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[19:07:08] <adaptr> phazzi: welcome to the wonderful world of electronic mail
[19:08:07] <adaptr> if it really bothers you, use sender verification, that will at least verify that the sender address is a real one
[19:08:19] <adaptr> use a proper RBL
[19:08:42] <adaptr> these two measures will cut down on spam by over 90%
[19:08:47] <adaptr> nothing else will
[19:09:40] <phazzi> i already use those measures
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[19:10:41] <phazzi> i work with postfix for years, always looking how to tune it to the best eheheh  any addons are welcome :D thanks
[19:11:49] <adaptr> you "work with postfix for years" ?
[19:11:51] <adaptr> really ?
[19:12:05] <adaptr> and it has JUST NOW occured to you that header from addresses can be forged ?
[19:12:17] <adaptr> go jerk someone else's chain, okay ?
[19:13:30] <cpm> adaptr, yea, this is that funny bit where outlook respects From: in the body, not header. Outlook fail again
[19:13:49] <cpm> body regex
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[19:14:48] <adaptr> cpm: who's talking about "body" From addresses ? I can assure you there is no such thing
[19:15:35] <cpm> body? don't need no stinking body
[19:15:53] <cpm> content
[19:16:19] * cpm rests assured
[19:17:55] <Haris_> that raises a question
[19:18:46] <Haris_> when scanning for spam, number the best parts of an email in ascending order that one can scan to identify spam?
[19:19:11] <adaptr> no
[19:19:19] <cpm> if from: = *Haris_* reject
[19:19:32] <adaptr> you're buying a service from them; that service has been interrupted
[19:19:36] <adaptr> oh damn
[19:19:43] <adaptr> never mind, echan
[19:19:44] <Haris_> ?
[19:20:57] <Haris_> Is headers, body, the best option? Are they the only things one can scan for to identify spam?
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[19:21:45] <adaptr> Haris_: which parts of electronic mail can you show me, then ?
[19:21:52] <adaptr> other than headers and body
[19:21:55] <Haris_> ok, there's nothing else :P
[19:22:00] <Haris_> lol
[19:22:52] * Haris_ goes back to dinner
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[19:24:52] <phazzi> really, work more than 5 years, just now got this issue. lol dont blame me
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[19:25:21] <phazzi> i know about it can be forged but fucking outlook just need to change
[19:25:40] <adaptr> phazzi: I do blame you
[19:25:43] <phazzi> this is a SPF bypass
[19:25:47] <adaptr> who else would you blame ?
[19:25:48] <phazzi> SPF sucks
[19:25:56] <phazzi> lol
[19:27:26] <phazzi> i will set up a bot to you blame ok
[19:28:09] <adaptr> it's like this: these are known issues, there's not a lot you or anybody else can do about them, so either you find away around or you live with it.
[19:28:18] <adaptr> what you DON'T do is bitch about it where I can hear you
[19:28:55] <phazzi> well i just asked it. lol
[19:29:04] <adaptr> no, you didn't
[19:29:16] <Haris_> nice
[19:29:21] <Haris_> that's what I tell everyone
[19:29:27] <phazzi> why did u dont make a pipe to compare  "mail from:' and "from:" after data
[19:29:29] <Haris_> except the 'bitch'ing part
[19:30:16] <phazzi> but i prefer stay here blameing others lol, badboy
[19:30:17] <adaptr> phazzi: they're incomparable
[19:30:40] <adaptr> one is an envelope, which outlook will never see
[19:30:52] <adaptr> the other is a header, which hopefully outlook will see
[19:30:53] <phazzi> yeah, i know lets send mail asking microsoft to make a patch removing the return-to option
[19:31:06] <phazzi> after data command inst more a header
[19:31:16] <adaptr> what ?
[19:31:19] <phazzi> did u dont know about postfix? OMG
[19:31:19] <phazzi> lol
[19:31:21] <phazzi> kidding
[19:31:33] <phazzi> but after data command, inst header anymore
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[19:31:50] <adaptr> I'm starting to get seriously bored with your "outings"
[19:32:14] <adaptr> and you really, really need to get a clue somewhere
[19:32:38] <phazzi> relax dude, we are just exchangin ideas
[19:33:29] <adaptr> no, we're not
[19:33:37] <adaptr> you're spouting nonsense and being insufferable
[19:33:50] <adaptr> and I am through trying to get this across
[19:34:18] <cpm> yer losing it man
[19:34:32] <phazzi> nonsense? i just expose one problem that i need to resolve, if you are too much expert to just answer "there is no patch to this", then dont answer nothing
[19:34:56] * Haris_ eats more popcorn
[19:34:58] <phazzi> you are too much stressed
[19:35:00] <Haris_> :D
[19:35:04] <phazzi> lol
[19:35:26] <adaptr> cpm: what am I losing that wasn't already gone ?
[19:35:40] <cpm> adaptr, good point. Noted
[19:35:58] <roe_> this is becoming a popular topic in here.  People not knowing the difference between envelope addresses and header addresses.  And why it is good they are separate.
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[19:36:18] <roe_> phazzi has to be the 3 person in the last week wanting to "fix" it
[19:36:21] * adaptr stuffs cpm in his own Santa Stocking while screaming "put THAT after DATA, you fuck!"
[19:36:43] <Haris_> damn
[19:36:52] <Haris_> you fuck with the same sex too?
[19:36:54] <adaptr> heh... the look on my face when I get up with saw and hammer in hand.. priceless
[19:36:55] <Haris_> eww!
[19:37:10] * cpm chuckles
[19:37:13] <Haris_> eww = s|ck
[19:37:17] <adaptr> it's a cross between Jim Carrey and Nicholson
[19:37:31] <Haris_> oh, ok
[19:37:33] <adaptr> Haris_: stop whining you christmas fairy
[19:37:49] <phazzi> lol
[19:38:12] <phazzi> roe_ good to know that . iam not alone lol
[19:38:24] <Haris_> lol
[19:39:16] <roe_> if that is in fact your question, the answer is very simple...
[19:39:23] <roe_> stop thinking about it and move on
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[19:39:33] <phazzi> i will get they ppl togheter and go to #c ask someone to code a patch lol, just kddin, don blame me saying "have no patch' please
[19:39:37] <adaptr> I told him that repeatedly,he's clueless
[19:39:53] <phazzi> roe_, yes i did it, really nothing to do about it :(
[19:40:18] <Haris_> that's like saying, stop thinking about a girl that ditched you and move on
[19:40:30] <Haris_> hehe
[19:40:36] <Haris_> lol
[19:40:40] <roe_> hire a prostitute?
[19:40:42] * Haris_ goes back to CS with a laugh
[19:41:23] <phazzi> lolll
[19:41:33] <phazzi> haris_ really something like this lol
[19:42:06] <Haris_> I wish I gave all those girls a chance to ditch me
[19:42:08] <Haris_> lol
[19:42:40] <phazzi> all day i have a fucking client calling here saying "someone is using my mail" so i have to explain the attendant to explain the client lol
[19:42:48] <phazzi> impossible dont remimder it
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[19:42:59] <roe_> compare it to real mail
[19:43:14] <roe_> I can sign whose ever name I want, even on the envelope
[19:43:31] <roe_> at least with email you have some accounting for where the mail came from if you dig deep enough
[19:44:51] <phazzi> i will make something to just change the 'from: <mail>' after data command to the address entered at initialy 'mail from'
[19:45:10] <phazzi> sed -i will be my friend lol
[19:45:41] <phazzi> it will have any negative impact?
[19:45:47] <roe_> yes
[19:46:11] <adaptr> it will make you look like a dork
[19:46:37] <phazzi> adaptr, sed -i was just a joke
[19:46:55] <adaptr> phazzi: altering the ENVELOPE address is stupid and DOES NOT AFFECT CLIENTS
[19:47:02] * roe_ goes to lunch, and hopes we are on a new topic by then
[19:47:04] <adaptr> mail clients don't KNOW the envelope
[19:47:31] <adaptr> go off somewhere and read RFC 2821 and 2822
[19:47:32] <phazzi> adaptr, sorry but i think you dont understood what i said.
[19:47:43] <adaptr> I understood perfectly
[19:47:48] <adaptr> even though it made zero sense
[19:47:50] <phazzi> mail clients get just the FROM AFTER DATA COMAND
[19:48:08] <adaptr> what normal people call the "Header", yes
[19:48:10] <adaptr> and ?
[19:48:48] <phazzi> before it reaches the mailbox i will change it with the entered initialy 'MAIL FROM:' command
[19:49:08] <adaptr> you can't
[19:49:19] <adaptr> and you shouldn't even if you could
[19:49:28] <adaptr> you'll break the RFCs
[19:49:49] <phazzi> after mail enter on my MX server i take care of RFC
[19:49:51] <adaptr> stop thinking you're oh so smarter than the people who invented this stuff
[19:49:59] <seekwill> lol
[19:50:00] <adaptr> you're really, really not
[19:50:02] <phazzi> but ok, will not bother you anymore
[19:50:06] <adaptr> thank you!
[19:50:24] <seekwill> phazzi: Yeah, you really shouldn't do that.
[19:50:39] <phazzi> ok.. ok
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[19:50:43] <phazzi> :D
[19:51:23] <seekwill> I don't believe you
[19:51:32] <phazzi> why
[19:51:33] <seekwill> Hand over your root password so we can make sure you don't
[19:51:46] <seekwill> Because you didn't ask what you'd break
[19:52:05] <phazzi> if i ask adaptr will just kill me
[19:52:09] <phazzi> lol
[19:52:12] <seekwill> He would not
[19:52:24] <seekwill> He would beat you CLOSE to death... but not kill
[19:52:50] <adaptr> I'd hand him over to thumbs just on the point of death
[19:52:51] <phazzi> in my head i convinced that i can do it, i will have to try it
[19:53:18] <phazzi> will fuck the postfix source to try it lol
[19:54:03] <roe_> you think you got a chastising for asking about it.  Just wait until you come back needing help troubleshooting it
[19:54:05] <phazzi> will force it to print the primary 'mail from' parameter after DATA command, maybe can work eheh
[19:54:10] <seekwill> You can probably do it.
[19:54:23] <seekwill> But you don't want to do it, since you're going to break things you didn't know about
[19:54:34] <seekwill> You're not solving the problem correctly
[19:55:04] <seekwill> It's not a matter of a feature missing from postfix. It's about how emails work
[19:55:14] * seekwill hungry
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[19:55:33] <rob0> what did I miss?
[19:56:11] <phazzi> well, ok. i will try something like this so i tell the mad result lol...
[19:56:25] <phazzi> i have to quit, be back tommorow
[19:56:44] <phazzi> adaptr, loveyou, relax baby
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[19:56:55] <phazzi> seekwill, thanks by attention and patience :D
[19:57:01] <phazzi> roe, bye thank u  too
[19:57:11] <phazzi> first time here, i liked :D
[19:57:19] <adaptr> rob0: you just caught him as he was leaving
[19:57:33] <rob0> yeah I gathered that ... was it fun?
[19:57:44] <phazzi> lol
[19:57:44] <rob0> 18:49 < adaptr> stop thinking you're oh so smarter than the people who invented this stuff
[19:57:53] <adaptr> another genius who wants to force his sender headers equal to his enevelope senders
[19:57:58] <rob0> haha
[19:58:11] <rob0> and y'all failed to talk him out of it?
[19:58:15] <adaptr> because of all teh nasty spam and such
[19:58:20] <adaptr> no, he was rather adamant
[19:58:22] <roe_> I'd like to meet the people who worked on both the original SMTP standard as well as the most recent release of it
[19:58:25] <adaptr> he's going to hack teh source
[19:58:45] <adaptr> roe_: to beat them with blunt objects ?
[19:58:57] <roe_> just to see, if in fact they are smarter than me
[19:59:11] <adaptr> well, I suspect Allman may be
[19:59:26] <adaptr> although the 70s and80s were innocent times
[19:59:33] <roe_> SMTP suffers from the same  problems as IPv4
[19:59:45] <adaptr> what, not enough addresses ? :D
[19:59:47] <phazzi> cya guys
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[19:59:53] <rob0> Smarter, maybe not, but I doubt any of us would have done better than they did.
[19:59:59] <roe_> improper foresight
[20:00:05] <rob0> Whew, he even IRC's as root!
[20:00:12] <rob0> What a smart guy.
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[20:00:22] <sol> hello
[20:00:25] <adaptr> roe_: I accuse you of improper foresight with the candlestick in the rectum! errr.. I'm sure I meant refectory
[20:00:29] <sol> im having some difficulty wrapping my head around something
[20:00:39] <rob0> oh this sounds like fun too
[20:00:45] <adaptr> sol: we'll stretch it for you
[20:00:50] <rob0> let's help wrap a head around things
[20:00:50] <sol> wonderful, thank you :D
[20:01:55] <adaptr> it's not living if it doesn't hurt!
[20:02:13] <sol> i want to block certain subnets from sending mail to me - a blacklist of sorts.  i want postfix to do it rather than the firewall since i want them to receive a proper reply "blocked because you send spam" or what not.  do i use smtpd_client_restrictions with check_client_access cidr:... ?
[20:02:28] <sol> or does that only stop people from using the smtp server to send out?
[20:02:29] <rob0> that's one way, yess
[20:02:43] <sol> so mail to me will still be blocked?
[20:02:51] <sol> i wasnt sure if it was only for outgoing
[20:02:52] <rob0> you can put check_client_access in ANY smtpd_*_restrictions
[20:03:20] <rob0> smtpd ... the server, listening on port 25
[20:03:31] <adaptr> or not
[20:03:39] <sol> so smtpd_sender_restrictions would be smarter?
[20:03:57] * adaptr goes to change his smtpd port to 26, to stop all the spam
[20:04:06] <rob0> no, generally I would recommend using smtpd_recipient_restrictions for everything
[20:04:06] <sol> haha
[20:04:08] <adaptr> sol: it depends on what you want to do
[20:04:28] <sol> adaptr; I want to block other peoples servers (1.1.1.1/24 for example) from sending to mail at mydomain dot com
[20:04:36] <sol> a blacklist
[20:04:38] <adaptr> blocking on sender* does not log all info; we like logs
[20:05:01] <sol> i have a separate app creating the blacklist, which will do logging
[20:05:19] <sol> i just dont know what "sender" means; whether it means people on my network as the "sender" or people outside
[20:05:39] <sol> the manual just says "MAIL FROM"
[20:05:40] <adaptr> it means the restrictions are checked at the point the MAIL FROM command is received
[20:05:40] <rob0> Functionally all smtpd_X_restrictions X={client,helo,sender,recipient} are the same, except that smtpd_recipient_restrictions is mandatory and controls who can relay.
[20:05:52] <rob0> !access
[20:05:53] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[20:06:00] <sol> alright, that makes sense
[20:06:07] <rob0> !smtpd_delay_reject
[20:06:09] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_delay_reject" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Wait until the RCPT TO command before evaluating $smtpd_client_restrictions, $smtpd_helo_restrictions and $smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[20:06:18] <sol> ill use client
[20:06:21] <sol> thanks
[20:06:30] <rob0> you didn't understand anything I said
[20:06:38] <sol> i think i did
[20:06:39] <adaptr> or me
[20:06:53] <sol> why does it matter at what stage
[20:07:22] <rob0> Doesn't. It's just easier to manage ONE stage rather than 2, 3 or more.
[20:07:23] <sol> <rob0> Functionally all smtpd_X_restrictions X={client,helo,sender,recipient} are the same, except that smtpd_recipient_restrictions is mandatory and controls who can relay. --- that seemed pretty straightfoward
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[20:07:42] <sol> well, ive got pop-before-smtp already using client
[20:07:54] <adaptr> ouch
[20:07:55] <rob0> no, that's wrong
[20:08:08] <sol> what?
[20:08:15] <rob0> I mean even other than the ugly kluginess of pop-before-smtp
[20:08:23] <sol> yea it is kudgly
[20:08:30] <adaptr> rob0: there are legitimae reasons to use two stages - when you want to apply the same restriction multiple times in a different way
[20:08:34] <sol> but try getting 50 users to set up auth'd smtp
[20:08:41] <rob0> smtpd_recipient_restrictions controls who can relay, and ONLY that stage.
[20:08:49] <sol> oh
[20:09:33] <sol> er kludgy* how did I write kudgly lol
[20:10:12] <adaptr> sol: setting up smtp auth on thunderbird takes about one minute
[20:10:34] <sol> adaptr; it takes less than a minute.
[20:10:39] <sol> if you're not one of my users.
[20:10:41] <seekwill> But it's one minute that I don't have!
[20:10:50] <seekwill> sol: I am one of your users
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[20:11:15] <sol> seekwill; well, then you're not the guy that decided to clean some corrosion from an electrical cord while the other side was plugged in...with a metal kife.
[20:11:17] <sol> knife*
[20:11:37] <seekwill> Oh
[20:11:40] <seekwill> Yeah, that wasn't me
[20:11:44] <seekwill> I thought that was you!
[20:12:15] <sol> no but i wish i was that dumb, so i didnt realize how dumb that was.
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[20:47:20] <dft> ehlo
[20:47:26] <dft> quick hint needed
[20:47:50] <adaptr> it's "don't do it"
[20:48:15] <w1ll> I have several different domains that need to be able to act as email servers.  Each domain has it's own ip and reverse dns, but postfix will only send out of the default ip. Is there a way to change this?
[20:48:57] <dft> we have incoming spam msgs with MAIL From and MAIL To set to the same valid email address which is then flooding the inbox with NDR's, what's a quick fix
[20:49:10] <dft> other than changing the amavisd drop score
[20:49:37] <adaptr> w1ll: several points of confusion here
[20:49:43] <dft> ie: dsn cutoff level
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[20:50:57] <dft> we have incoming spam msgs with MAIL From and MAIL To set to the same valid email address which is then flooding the inbox with NDR's, what's a quick fix
[20:51:16] <dft> other than changing dsn_cutoff_level
[20:51:36] <w1ll> adaptr, I have 3 clients. Each wants to run a mail server. I have postfix bound to each of the clients ips and in master.cf I set the hostname via -o myhostname=clients.domain.  However, when they go send email it's always going out the IP address bound to eth0 instead their ip.
[20:51:45] <dft> sry for the repeat, wasn't IDENTIFIED with nickserv earlier
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[20:52:07] <adaptr> w1ll: yep.
[20:53:01] <adaptr> w1ll: consider setting up three virtual boxes
[20:53:45] <w1ll> ah ok
[20:53:52] <w1ll> I was wondering if that was the route I'd need to take
[20:54:05] <w1ll> thank you
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[20:58:02] * cpm virtualizes adaptr
[20:58:27] <adaptr> too late, I've been fully virtualized since 2001
[20:58:48] <dft> so does anyone have any hints for my issue?
[20:59:17] <cpm> your issue, , , , Of DEATH?
[20:59:29] <dft> wow, funny guy
[20:59:41] <dft> in all seriousness though
[21:00:00] <dft> we have incoming spam msgs with MAIL From and MAIL To set to the same valid email address which is then flooding the inbox with NDR's, what's a quick fix without changing amavisd's dsn_cutoff level
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[21:02:01] <dft> since conditional header checks is off the table, hopefully someone here in their infinite l33t postfix knowledge may be able to point in the right direction for alleviating this problem
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[21:05:59] <seekwill> I don't really understand the problem
[21:06:09] <seekwill> Spam messages are coming in with the same headers.
[21:06:15] <seekwill> How does that generate ndrs?
[21:07:15] <seekwill> Maybe you can write a patch for postfix to change the from header to match the mail from envelope sender?
[21:08:40] <dft> here's the deal...
[21:08:56] <seekwill> No deal
[21:09:00] <dft> damn
[21:09:05] <dft> 1 $
[21:09:09] <dft> almost free
[21:09:10] <seekwill> woohoo!
[21:10:16] <dft> Mail To/From are the same (spoofed from address) message is scored as spam by postfix/amavisd and the user is receiving the NDR
[21:10:35] <dft> the NDR being, "you sent spam blah blah blah"
[21:10:44] <seekwill> Is that your config?
[21:10:56] <seekwill> I mean
[21:11:04] <seekwill> Is your server the one sending the naughty NDR?
[21:11:18] <dft> good question
[21:11:20] <dft> standby
[21:11:31] <seekwill> You don't know?
[21:11:43] <seekwill> You should not be sending NDRs for spam
[21:12:02] <dft> unfortunately the powers that be, have requested it be done this way
[21:12:21] <seekwill> The powers at be do not know good practices. That's why they hired you :)
[21:12:28] <adaptr> they may be powers, but they have zero clue
[21:12:34] <adaptr> educate them
[21:12:36] <dft> adaptr ty
[21:12:41] <adaptr> apply cluebat whenever necessary
[21:13:08] <dft> enough chitchat, any other options
[21:13:31] <seekwill> Well, if you stopped the bad practices...
[21:13:54] <dft> seekwill otherwise you're saying you don't know
[21:13:56] <dft> ty
[21:14:33] <seekwill> Not really, but if you want to assume that, ok :)
[21:14:56] <dft> growup
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[21:16:05] <adaptr> funny
[21:16:27] <seekwill> I think you should have told him to write a patch to rewrite the header from so it wouldn't happen
[21:16:35] <adaptr> it's amazing, really - the sheer amount of people who expect us to deliver "solutions" to non-problems they are forced to comply with by others
[21:16:45] <seekwill> :)
[21:16:49] <adaptr> lillylivers!
[21:16:54] <adaptr> they should just say NO
[21:17:21] <adaptr> "I'll pay you a million a year to manage my network - if you completely ignore the RFCs"
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[21:17:38] <adaptr> NO Bill Gates, screw you and you runholy causes! I WILL NOT - wait, did you say A MILLION ?
[21:18:02] <seekwill> lol
[21:18:07] <seekwill> Why did you have to bring Billy into this?
[21:20:55] <adaptr> because it's fun to smack him one
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[21:38:52] * cpm isn't seeing any legit ndr/dsn's from this, just regular ole spam, handled just like regular ole spam.
[21:42:22] <rob0> A complete problem description accompanied by LOGS showing it?
[21:42:33] <rob0> oops he's gone
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[21:45:11] <cpm> you mean, the logs Of DEATH?
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[21:57:27] <seekwill> haha
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[22:25:21] <jangell> I have: virtual_alias_maps = ldap:forward, ldap:aliases, ldap:accountsmap   ... This works well...incoming mail will hit the forward and go elsewhere if need be..The problem is--how do I get a message to get forwarded off-site *AND* delivered locally?
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[22:45:49] <lunaphyte_> jangell: return two addresses when queried.
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[23:02:57] <gansbrest> hi guys - I've installed postfix and tryint to test smtp
[23:03:21] <gansbrest> I've test IMAP already and it works just fine
[23:03:37] <gansbrest> I was using telnet to connect to may mail host
[23:03:52] <gansbrest> but it gives me Relay access denied
[23:04:02] <gansbrest> after rcpt to:
[23:06:00] <rob0> !relay_denied
[23:06:01] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[23:09:09] <gansbrest> I'm trying to install roundcube as web interface for my mail server
[23:09:30] <gansbrest> and I cannot make smtp part work
[23:10:21] <gansbrest> After I typing my mail server and username and passeword it says - NOT OK (Invalid sender or recipient )
[23:10:40] <gansbrest> but I don't even noticed any activity in mail log
[23:13:29] <rob0> !no_logs
[23:13:30] <knoba> rob0: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
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[23:17:00] <gansbrest> yes - I was thinking about firewall
[23:17:20] <gansbrest> but why I cannot connect through telnet?
[23:17:25] <gansbrest> oh
[23:17:29] <gansbrest> I mean can
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[23:20:45] <gansbrest> But my mail function works just fine on the server
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[23:23:12] <timotiCK> what is the sh command for getting the value of virtual_alias_domains or any other postfix parameters??
[23:23:59] <rob0> postconf <parameter>, see man postconf
[23:24:48] <timotiCK> rob0: thanks
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