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[00:59:49] <sidh> is it possible in postfix to specify a passphrase for a certificate as in dovecot ?
[01:00:06] <sidh> or do we must create a key without passphrase ?
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[01:01:18] <rob0> hmm, I don't think you can, there's no provision for entering a passphrase
[01:02:17] <rhineheart_m> hello.. how to make postfix mails not to be identified as spam by yahoo, googlemail, and msn?
[01:02:59] <sidh> shit i thought there was a ssl_key_password-like for postfix
[01:03:08] <rob0> Probably depends why they're calling it spam.
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[01:03:35] <sidh> rhineheart_m: verify your public ip is not bl
[01:03:49] <sidh> at spamhaus and other bl site
[01:03:50] <rhineheart_m> sidh, my IP is a public on.e
[01:04:11] <sidh> i had this problem before
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[01:04:25] <rhineheart_m> I did it already but there it says my IP is not in the list
[01:04:44] <sidh> some range of public ip given by my isp where systematically bl
[01:05:38] <rob0> so, why are they marking you as spam?
[01:05:51] <rhineheart_m> IP is not listed SBL  PBL  XBL
[01:06:22] <sidh> so sorry i have no more ideas
[01:07:39] <rhineheart_m> sidh, what distro are you using?
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[01:20:33] <xpeed> for your mail MX records, do you set up your own DNS server?
[01:21:14] <xpeed> or do you use a free DNS server to translates your domain to ur ip address?
[01:23:12] <jra> whoever is your domain registrar
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[01:33:37] <rhineheart_m> xpeed, is that for me?
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[08:40:18] <dan__t> 'morning.
[08:44:19] <dan__t> Oops, nm, I found my notes heh
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[09:03:33] <sahil> super.
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[09:29:34] <dan__t> Indeed.
[09:30:44] <sahil> perhaps, indeed.
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[12:50:47] <Similian> Hello everyone
[12:51:00] <Similian> I have a little private mailserver
[12:51:13] <Similian> some spam mark my servers mail as spam
[12:51:20] <Similian> because the first hop is dynamic
[12:51:34] <Similian> the first hop is always the sender
[12:51:42] <Similian> my servers ip is not dynamic
[12:51:58] <Similian> Is my server confed wrong ?
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[13:01:12] <perlmonkey> hi, does anyone use Qpopper with Postfix? I've used these combo for years and just recently upgraded my Ubuntu server and now Qpopper no longer works with Postfix..
[13:01:47] <perlmonkey> can anyone recommend and alternative pop3 server instead of qpopper?
[13:01:52] <perlmonkey> *an
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[13:02:53] <perlmonkey> ?i've tried dovecot but it keeps spawning too many processes
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[13:14:41] <adaptr> and this is a problem because ?
[13:15:03] <adaptr> dovecot runs one pop3 thread per client, how is this bad ?
[13:15:29] <adaptr> last time I looked, 20000 processes was abotu the limit for a single Unix system
[13:19:48] <perlmonkey> dovecot spawns far too many processes and hogs system resources unnecessarily
[13:20:14] <perlmonkey> i have 2 users using pop3 and yet dovecot is creating a new process for each pop3 connection, its insane
[13:20:17] <adaptr> have you any hard data on this ?
[13:20:23] <perlmonkey> ive got like 20 processes
[13:20:32] <adaptr> and that is a problem because ?
[13:20:52] <perlmonkey> its unnecessary and wasteful use of system resources
[13:20:54] <adaptr> apache runs 100 processes easily, nobody complais about those
[13:21:05] <adaptr> again, I ask: how do you *know* this
[13:21:14] <perlmonkey> thats entirely different, a webserver has a much greater demand on it than a 2-user mail server
[13:21:51] <adaptr> if you think processes = resource usage, you're missing some fairly basic knowledge
[13:22:28] <adaptr> oh and pop3 is rather last-century, why would you use it at all ?
[13:22:30] <perlmonkey> anyways, this is now academic ive removed dovecot replacing it with popa3d, problem solved
[13:22:40] <adaptr> good, now git
[13:22:48] <adaptr> all off-topic anyway
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[13:40:32] <stickman> postfix works when the server and boxes are on the same subnet. when i put the server behind a router, no mail gets delivered and i get 'connection timed out' when sending a test mail from server box to a box on the other side of the router. I've googled, read and worked on this for over a week. Ready to scrap postfix
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[13:47:01] <adaptr> define "works"
[13:47:27] <adaptr> did you forward the necessary ports on the router to the postfix machine ? or did you expect this all to work automagically ?
[13:47:31] <stickman> works= delivers mail to from all boxes on the lan
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[13:50:32] <stickman> it seemed to me if port 25 worked from my isp to the lan boxes it should work from the postfix machine
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[13:51:13] <adaptr> port 25 needs to be open TO the postfix machine, not FROM it
[13:51:53] <stickman> i appreciate your input. pardon my ignorance. i'm new
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[13:57:26] <sidh> hello everybody
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[15:26:25] <evaryont> I'm having a fun time with this: dovecot (running IMAP and IMAPS) can't read email because postfix isn't moving them to ~/Maildir
[15:27:00] <evaryont> I followed the steps detailed here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PostFix_Tutorial
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[16:25:58] <sahil> evaryont: please read the topic.
[16:26:03] <sahil> !tut
[16:26:03] <knoba> sahil: Error: "tut" is not a valid command.
[16:26:05] <sahil> oops.
[16:26:06] <sahil> !tutorial
[16:26:07] <knoba> sahil: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[16:26:10] <sahil> and read ^^^.
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[16:30:26] <adaptr> !home_mailbox
[16:30:27] <knoba> adaptr: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[16:30:36] <adaptr> affix a slash to convert to maildir
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[16:34:21] * sahil nods
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[17:18:50] <rhineheart_m> hello.. what ports need to be open with postfix..
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[17:24:08] <adaptr> 25
[17:24:10] <adaptr> TCP
[17:25:27] <rhineheart_m> I got this error: Server replied: 554 5.7.1 <user at yahoo dot com>: Relay access denied
[17:26:24] <adaptr> and ?
[17:26:49] <rhineheart_m> jsut that
[17:27:06] <rhineheart_m> when I'm trying to send mail from squirrelmail
[17:27:09] <adaptr> and the problem is ?
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[17:27:43] <rhineheart_m> the emails won't be sent..just this error: Server replied: 554 5.7.1 <user at yahoo dot com>: Relay access denied
[17:28:50] <adaptr> I have still to detect an actua problem - who tells you this ?
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[17:32:31] <rhineheart_m> just the squirrelmail
[17:32:42] <adaptr> no, it doesn't
[17:32:53] <adaptr> where does squirrelmail connect to ?
[17:32:54] <rhineheart_m> I followed this guide during the installation: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/#abstract
[17:33:17] <adaptr> yes, of course you did
[17:33:19] <adaptr> !basic
[17:33:20] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[18:08:55] <sahil> !tutorial
[18:08:57] <knoba> sahil: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[18:09:15] * sahil gets tired of typing !tutorial
[18:09:56] <sahil> it's the squirrel, stoopid.
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[18:13:54] <xpoint> for the record squirrel uses sendmail pr default, but some distros change it to smtp to confuse more then it helps
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[18:16:43] * sahil changes it to SMTP manually
[18:17:03] <rob0> Eees not look good for moose und squirrel, da Natasha?
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[18:17:49] * sahil shrugs with apathy
[18:18:23] <rob0> /nick apathy
[18:19:37] <ghtry> Hi all.  I recently setup the new slackware 12.2, removed procmail/sendmail, and installed dovecot & postfix from linux-packages.net.  I desire virtual accounts and have followed http://kb.ausics.net/pf.php as close as possible.  Google searches fail to yield positive results so I wound up here.  I have some cryptic log messages I need help with.
[18:19:58] <sahil> ghtry: regarding tutorials...
[18:20:00] <sahil> !tutorial
[18:20:00] <knoba> sahil: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[18:20:02] <sahil> !virtual
[18:20:04] <knoba> sahil: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[18:20:16] <sahil> ghtry: read the above-linked README and if you're still having problems, ask in this chan.
[18:20:31] <ghtry> Ok thanks mind if I idle?
[18:20:46] <sahil> ghtry: of course not. :)
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[18:26:13] <rob0> !google
[18:26:14] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[18:30:57] <ghtry> sahil postmap according to the guide you posted says that postfix fails to connect to 127.0.0.1, my best guess is that I am using named pipes for MySQL.  Would this possibly be accurate and if so how would I go about configuring named pipes instead of tcp?
[18:33:27] <ghtry> I'll keep searching heh been at this about 6 hours now.  E-Mail servers are a bit rough to configure.
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[18:36:43] <axisys_> looking for an article on to setup gmail as the relayhost
[18:36:49] <rob0> Why virtual? local(8) is best for small sites: more flexible, powerful, and a single authentication database (passwd/shadow).
[18:38:58] <ghtry> sahil: http://www.postfix.org/MYSQL_README.html gives the basic mysql info that is needed... the other guide I posted has an extra hosts = blah parameter.  Could I use a local mysql.sock file instead of an ip address.  I am asking because I don't want to break anything.
[18:39:55] <rob0> Dominian has a Slackware howto.
[18:40:10] <lennard> hosts		= unix:/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[18:40:21] <lennard> that works on one of my (older) installs
[18:40:33] <ghtry> Thanks lennard I will try that... means alot friend
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[18:48:41] <evaryont> changes in my postfix config: http://rafb.net/p/R4tHsE17.html
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[18:49:42] <evaryont> I can't get postfix to send mail to ~/Maildir/
[18:49:52] <adaptr> I already told you what to do
[18:49:54] <evaryont> instead, it uses /var/mail/user
[18:50:00] <adaptr> apparently, you didn't
[18:50:05] <evaryont> adaptr: I've checked home_mailbox
[18:50:08] <axisys> sorry i had to restart.. in case anyone missed.. I am reposting my question..
[18:50:16] <axisys> how to setup gmail as my relay host?
[18:50:27] <adaptr> not gonna happen
[18:50:37] <xpeed> local transport is better than virtual transport?
[18:50:37] <rob0> Another Debian victim
[18:50:49] <adaptr> xpeed: they're completely different
[18:50:55] <adaptr> "better" is meaningless
[18:51:01] <evaryont> adaptr: look at the postconf -n output in the link I pasted - "home_mailbox = Maildir/"
[18:51:17] * adaptr debianizes rob0
[18:51:30] <adaptr> evaryont: and that maildir location is valid ?
[18:51:35] <evaryont> it is
[18:51:46] <xpeed> i know they are different, i'm just asking if at productive enviroment depend of a DB systems like postgress or mysql is appropiate
[18:51:53] <adaptr> so your system has Maildir directories strewn wherever postfix is likely to look
[18:51:58] <adaptr> I doubt that
[18:51:59] <evaryont> e.g. /home/evaryont/Maildir exists
[18:52:04] <adaptr> who cares
[18:52:08] <rob0> evaryont: read your Debian package documentation, then look in "man local" for delivery control settings.
[18:52:09] <adaptr> that's not what you said
[18:52:15] <ghtry> Thanks lennard your unix:/file/path instruction appears to work.  postmap returns a simple "1" from the -q testing param
[18:52:20] <evaryont> rob0: not on debian
[18:52:28] <evaryont> rob0: I'm on Arch
[18:52:38] <adaptr> evaryont: is that your literal home_mailbox definition ?
[18:52:47] <evaryont> yes
[18:52:51] <rob0> Okay, first I heard that. Who set mailbox_command, then? You?
[18:52:51] <adaptr> then you're stupid
[18:53:03] <xpeed> lol  (?)
[18:53:07] <adaptr> as the manual plainly tells you , it requires a VALID directory
[18:53:20] <evaryont> adaptr: relative the user's home
[18:53:22] <adaptr> either fully-qualified or relative to $HOME
[18:53:26] <adaptr> no
[18:53:50] <rob0> adaptr: ?? local does not need home_mailbox to exist ... just a writeable $HOME
[18:54:12] <adaptr> ach, watever - am I confusing dovecot again ?
[18:54:13] <rob0> but it's wholly irrelevant to the problem at hand
[18:54:19] <adaptr> that's what I get for being a total dovecot pimp
[18:54:34] <evaryont> adaptr: now, postifx
[18:54:35] <adaptr> well, I am more or less assuming he is delivering to local
[18:54:37] <evaryont> *postfix
[18:54:42] <rob0> he's ignoring me
[18:54:47] <adaptr> if he isn't, of course it doesn't work
[18:54:50] <evaryont> adaptr: I am. I'd like to use dovecot for IMAP
[18:55:00] <evaryont> rob0: I think he is :/
[18:55:08] <rob0> no YOU
[18:55:11] <adaptr> he was talking about you
[18:55:14] <adaptr> trust me on this one
[18:55:16] <adaptr> !local
[18:55:16] <knoba> adaptr: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.
[18:55:33] <adaptr> ONLY local(8) mail gets delivered to home_mailbox
[18:55:43] <adaptr> you're not using local(8)
[18:56:06] <evaryont> ?
[18:56:09] <rob0> scroll up and answer my question
[18:56:18] <adaptr> local(8) is equivalent to all domains listed in mydestinations, joined with all real system users and aliases
[18:57:01] <evaryont> rob0: I did set mailbox to /usr/bin/procmail - should have I not?
[18:57:31] <adaptr> no, you should not
[18:57:36] <rob0> scroll up FURTHER and see "man local"
[18:57:53] <adaptr> procmail has no clue what home_mailbox is set to
[18:57:58] <evaryont> rob0: no such man page
[18:58:03] <rob0> why not?
[18:58:07] <adaptr> if you set procmail as your MDA, then local will simply pipe everything to procmail
[18:58:14] <adaptr> home_mailbox is ignored
[18:58:17] <ghtry> rob0 I altered the mysql-*.cf files to reflect the new hosts param lennard gave and restarted postfix.  Everything runs perfect until I attempt to login :(, I am testing remotely with http://www.mail2web.com/cgi-bin/intellilogin.asp could you help point me in the right direction please?  Log reveals smptd has exit status 1
[18:58:18] <evaryont> rob0: it's not installed? meh
[18:58:27] <adaptr> arch ftl
[18:58:50] <evaryont> adaptr: not really
[18:58:59] <evaryont> adaptr: have you even used arch?
[18:59:01] <rob0> You need to have the man pages if you want to administer this beast.
[18:59:12] <adaptr> in this case, definitely - local(8) is an integral part of postfix
[18:59:23] <rob0> Whoever decided you don't need them made a big mistake.
[18:59:38] <xpeed> are u linux or bsd users?
[18:59:48] <rob0> fortunately for you they're all online at www.postfix.org
[18:59:53] <evaryont> rob0: that was ~3yrs ago
[19:00:05] <rob0> it was a mistake back then
[19:00:06] <evaryont> rob0: I could recompile the pkg to include the man pages
[19:00:15] <evaryont> but meh, they're online
[19:01:06] <rob0> "manpage_directory = /usr/share/man" from your own postconf
[19:01:33] <evaryont> rob0: and it's not in there! Amazing how what I've said is what happened >_>
[19:03:31] <ghtry> With the logfile not exactly being clear debugging the cause of failure is painfully difficult.  I am using GRSoft VMM (PHP Mail Manager) for the MySQL management.  mail2web gives a simple login failure message :(
[19:04:36] <xpeed> do somebody user postfix on a *bsd plataform here?
[19:04:44] <xpeed> use*
[19:05:05] <lunaphyte> are we taking a quiz?
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[19:14:31] <ghtry> I suppose I might call it a day, not trying to be annoying.  I edited the config files and followed both the tutorial and the postfix docs.  Still I receive errors and don't understand why.  I'll grant postfix this much credit... it has given me the best workout since as long as I can remember.
[19:15:52] <adaptr> you can't follow both a tutorial and the docs
[19:15:58] <adaptr> they never agree with the docs
[19:16:53] <ghtry> Well I seemed to eliminate errors in exchange for different ones.
[19:17:19] <ghtry> phpMyAdmin confirms proper MySQL table structure
[19:17:53] <adaptr> and what does phpmyadmin know about posfix ?
[19:17:54] <ghtry> Dovecot is being silent and does not appear to have any complaints.  But postfix is really giving a workout.
[19:18:01] <adaptr> let's compromise and say zero
[19:18:14] <ghtry> Nothing to be honest but it can show tables/dbs/rows/data structures etc.
[19:18:30] <adaptr> ..which also have zero to do with postfix
[19:19:28] <ghtry> I'm sorry my nerves are little edgy.  I spent at least 6 hours before seeking chat help.  The only mail server I was able to get working on nix was eXtremail.  I want postfix I am just a newb having issues.
[19:19:40] <adaptr> !basic
[19:19:41] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[19:35:51] <ghtry> adaptr: Seems i am missing something.  I noticed in the log it says fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db :No such file or directory.  I thought these were supposed to come from MySQL?  I have restarted postfix... does not a restart constitute reloading of its config files?  I am a bit confused here.
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[19:46:30] <sahil> ghtry: you are asking the wrong questions, showing little proof of having read basic documentation, and thus receiving little help here.
[19:47:32] <rob0> I still can't help but wonder why so many raw beginners think they need virtual mailboxes ...
[19:49:54] <rob0> I guess they all plan to become the next gmail.
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[19:55:47] <Samson_99> hi
[19:56:49] <ghtry> rob0 that is easy to answer.  I simply despise the idea of mail users having unix shell accounts.  Simple enough to answer.  And sahil: good point.  I have been reading docs yes and come up short on proof.  I can follow instructions.  I have setup UnrealIRCd,apache,MySQL and countless others.  postfix is just all-together different is all.  The thing that confuses me mostly is the cryptic and lightly informed logfiles.
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[19:57:20] <lunaphyte> try using openldap or openssl.
[19:57:48] <lunaphyte> here's a hint regarding your aliases error:  postconf | grep -i aliases
[19:58:42] <ghtry> Alright I'll try that and thank you lunaphyte
[19:58:44] <rob0> That is easy to answer too. Give mail-only users a shell of /bin/false.
[19:59:04] <ghtry> rob0 that is also true.  Nice answer.
[19:59:25] <rob0> The common advice given on the mailing list is to get Postfix working with flat files. Later on you can migrate to SQL or LDAP or whatever you like.
[20:00:00] <ghtry> I suppose flat files have some type of easier advantage then if that advice is given?
[20:00:30] <rob0> well, part of the problem you described was inability to read from the mysqld ...
[20:00:49] <rob0> here's something too:
[20:00:53] <rob0> !postmapq
[20:00:54] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
[20:01:43] <ghtry> heh the tutorial I followed has many mysql-*.cf files that were defined.  That was another thing which confuses me
[20:01:51] <ghtry> What you just posted gives a single file
[20:02:02] <rob0> You need a different query for each lookup.
[20:02:15] <ghtry> So it seems from the tutorial i was following
[20:02:34] <ghtry> http://kb.ausics.net/pf.php
[20:03:15] <ghtry> lunaphyte: Your command shows a hash:/path config entry
[20:03:57] <ghtry> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
[20:04:59] <ghtry> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, nis:mail.aliases
[20:06:13] <ghtry> I coulda swore the tutorial instructed a mysql:/path variant.  i am double checking to make sure.  Last thing I need right now is to see how I stupidly overlooked something.  I don't normally seek chat help unless I am about to break the keyboard
[20:06:35] <lunaphyte> ghtry: http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html#types - read about hash
[20:06:48] <ghtry> Sure I can take a look
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[20:09:03] <ghtry> lunaphyte: May I post 3 lines?  I think I may possibly understand the error not sure.  My instructions were virtual instructions.  Something is a bit awkward.
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[20:12:37] <ghtry> There is a difference between *virtual* and this other aliases instruction.  The tutorial had me create 2 accounts in mysql.  vmail and vmailadm.  One is readonly.  So I think I am catching on but just trying to make sure.
[20:14:49] <ghtry> Ok heh I think I may have it.  I just need to know how to define more than one file for alias_database I think.
[20:19:14] <lunaphyte> use a pastebin
[20:19:51] <ghtry> Uhm I may not have to I am trying to set both the poftconf grep directives for mysql to see if the error goes away thanks for the help.  Sorry if I seemed ignorant.
[20:20:41] <rob0> Perhaps your tutorial assumed you already had a working Postfix per !basic
[20:21:06] <lunaphyte> "set both the postconf grep directives for mysql"?  that statement is awkward, at best...
[20:21:23] <ghtry> That could not be possible... it explained a basic install but I installed from linux-packages.net as I usually do with my slackware system
[20:21:49] <rob0> When I started in Postfix, about 1999 I think, I just read through the main.cf installed from source.
[20:22:07] <lunaphyte> is that when you were partying?
[20:22:14] <ghtry> You gave me a command which gave output for 2 directives (alias_database and alias_maps) which are not using mysql:/path but I am altering to see if it helps.
[20:22:41] <lunaphyte> maybe read a bit about what each is too...
[20:23:07] <rob0> and in fact I probably used a LP package too (whatever he was back then, linuxmafia?), but now I use source
[20:23:29] <rob0> This problem is SO described in !tutorial
[20:24:33] <rob0> Here's a fish, and it's the last one I throw to you today. Undo those last changes. Edit /etc/aliases and run "newaliases".
[20:24:33] <ghtry> Basically I want a mysql driven system with Dovecot & Postfix... a simple request as far as what I am looking for.  I have learned to be prepared for surprises under linux however as it is a whole new world coming from windows (Keep clicking Next button) installations.
[20:25:06] <rob0> Oh I thought maybe you were an experienced Unix person. That's another huge problem.
[20:25:11] <ghtry> Hmm so I need an aliases *file* and not mysql for that.  Interesting...
[20:25:43] <lunaphyte> omfg.
[20:26:02] <ghtry> Sadly I have used linux for about 2 years.  I know the ins and outs and have even used KDevelop.  Mail servers were never my cup of tea
[20:28:46] <ghtry> I know how foolish I look probably but I kept failing with google searches.  Most of that tutorial was typed by hand.  And rob0 thanks for the final fish.  I'll concentrate on the official docs and why you said I may not need mysql for it.
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[20:32:21] <ghtry> rob0: Maybe you could help me understand something... but if the MySQL virtual setup has aliases/domains/users why on earth do I need this other aliases file?  postfix is a big beast to tackle and this just isn't making 100% sense.  I know how email works.  postfix itself is what is confusing me.
[20:33:18] <lunaphyte> who said you *needed* anything?
[20:33:26] <ghtry> >_>
[20:33:50] <rob0> well, I suppose there are other fixes for that problem
[20:33:55] <rob0> !standard
[20:33:55] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[20:33:59] <rob0> might have one
[20:35:11] <lunaphyte> ghtry: if you buy a car and the radio has presets already set, do you wonder why you have to have those presets, or do you change them to what you want/need?
[20:35:28] <ghtry> I alter them
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[20:36:16] <lunaphyte> so if you wan to get aliases from a myslq database, and not from a hash b, then change it, bro.
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[20:36:42] <lunaphyte> of course, what rob0 said earlier about getting things working with flat files first still applies here...
[20:36:48] <rob0> Some folks come in thinking it should be simple to run a mail server. But it's not. If you want simple, buy some proprietary crapware server ... but it will only be as good as the crapware programmer.
[20:37:27] <ghtry> At this point my line of thinking is that the slack script I installed probably presetup something.  I followed a tutorial that expected a source installation.  I normally don't install from source if a package exists.  So I may have screwed myself *no pun intended* out of an easier installation/config process.
[20:38:07] <lunaphyte> that has no bearing on your "predicament".
[20:38:14] <rob0> Well, LP is another issue altogether. As an admin of slackbuilds.org, you can bet I don't recommend use of LP.
[20:38:58] <rob0> LP quality control is non-existent. You don't know what you're getting from there.
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[20:39:17] <rob0> With a slackbuild you DO know.
[20:39:44] <thumbs> LP--
[20:40:02] <ghtry> Well I am no expert with mail servers.  On windows I first used Mercury\32 then enjoyed hMailServer.  On linux before my 12.2 slack upgrade I was using eXtremail but this time around decided on a postfix/dovecot configuration.  heh I probably should have stuck with eXtremail but it lacks alot of support for things like virus scanning.
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[20:42:48] <zmitya> hi all
[20:42:59] <ghtry> Internet docs say postfix config is a dream compared to the old sendmail which is described as even a skilled admins nightmare.  I think my last 6-7 hours has made me a believer.
[20:43:15] <zmitya> I'm in trouble with regexes in virtual_alias_map table
[20:43:29] <zmitya> I have this in main.cf: virtual_alias_maps = regexp:/etc/postfix/virtual
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[20:44:14] <zmitya> ant this in /etc/postfix/virtual: /^[0-9]+ at domain dot hu$/                        catch-all at domain dot hu
[20:45:18] <zmitya> and I got this in mail.log: maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: 5678 at domain dot hu: not found
[20:45:24] <zmitya> what do I miss ?
[20:46:40] <rob0> Doing it the way I did, starting off simple, Postfix really IS easy.
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[20:50:22] <lunaphyte> zmitya: use postmap to test your map
[20:51:47] <zmitya> lunaphyte: "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual" says nothing, exit status is 0
[20:52:02] <zmitya> it seems good syntactically
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[20:52:40] <rob0> !postmapq
[20:52:40] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
[20:53:18] <zmitya> hmm, thanks, checking it
[20:53:24] <rob0> If "postmap /etc/postfix/virtual" says nothing, exit status is 0, and "/etc/postfix/virtual" is a regexp, something is wrong.
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[20:55:30] <zmitya> rob0: http://paste.debian.net/23626/
[20:56:51] <zmitya> rob0: so catch-all at domain dot hu seems to be good, this is what I do need
[20:57:10] <zmitya> oops,
[20:57:34] <zmitya> lunaphyte: http://paste.debian.net/23626/
[21:01:00] <lunaphyte> almost 30 lines of warnings and to you that "seems to be good"?
[21:01:28] <zmitya> lunaphyte: ok, I have created a separated file for regexed lines now
[21:01:49] <zmitya> previously it was a "hash" type alias map, just wrote a regex into it
[21:02:06] <zmitya> lunaphyte: please check this: http://paste.debian.net/23627/
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[21:02:46] <zmitya> now my main.cf has this line: virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, regexp:/etc/postfix/virtual_regex
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[21:03:47] <rob0> !virtual_maps
[21:03:47] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_maps" : The virtual_maps postconf(5) parameter has been deprecated since Postfix 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements. See also !google.
[21:04:45] <Samson_99> d
[21:08:48] <zmitya> sorry, that was a typo
[21:09:09] <zmitya> please check the above link: http://paste.debian.net/23627/
[21:09:19] <zmitya> what is wrong with that regex ?
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[21:09:28] <zmitya> why it does not match ?
[21:12:08] <sysmonk> zmitya: you didn't tell it to match as a regexp
[21:12:13] <rob0> "man postmap"
[21:12:28] <zmitya> I have checked it with a real mail and it seems to be working now
[21:12:46] <zmitya> sysmonk: I did it with: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, regexp:/etc/postfix/virtual_regex
[21:12:59] <sysmonk> i was talking about postmap.
[21:13:15] <sysmonk> and rob0 mentioned to read 'man postmap' if you don't know how to use it
[21:14:16] <zmitya> sysmonk: well, it seems to be working now, I just use postmap badly somehow
[21:14:19] <zmitya> checking the doc
[21:16:24] <zmitya> well, I missed the "file_type" parameter
[21:16:43] <zmitya> thanks guys, I learnet this for my whole life
[21:18:41] <sysmonk> i'll ask you that when you'll be 85
[21:18:42] <sysmonk> ;)
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[21:35:14] <zmitya> sysmonk: ok, that would be good :))
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[22:15:41] <sidh> hello everybody
[22:17:50] <sidh> i got this warning in maillog
[22:18:27] <sidh>  warning: request to update table btree:/var/spool/postfix/smtpd_tls_session_cache in non-postfix directory /var/spool/postfix
[22:19:13] <sidh> postconf -n tells queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
[22:19:49] <sidh> but in this dorectory no smtp_tls_session is present
[22:19:55] <sidh> do you have an idea
[22:20:52] <jra> data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
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[22:38:38] <sidh> jra: i get crazy :
[22:39:02] <sidh> postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by root: /var/db/postfix
[22:39:02] <sidh> postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by postfix: /var/db/postfix/./pid
[22:39:04] <sidh> postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by postfix: /var/db/postfix/./pid/master.pid
[22:39:21] <sidh> chown -R postfix:wheel /var/db/postfix/pid
[22:39:36] <sidh> postfix/postfix-script: warning: not owned by root: /var/db/postfix
[22:39:37] <sidh> postfix/postfix-script: starting the Postfix mail system
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[22:45:28] <rob0> I have an idea! My idea is that you had a serious root oops which trashed your Postfix.
[22:47:09] <rob0> Another idea, don't muck about with random chown/chmod commands, the effects of which you don't understand.
[22:47:38] <rob0> "man postfix" might have a fix
[22:48:57] <sidh> rob0: i don't know why you answer that , owned problem is about chown
[22:50:18] <sidh> chown -R rob0:rob0 /dev/sarcastic
[22:50:36] <rob0> :)
[22:50:54] <rob0> 21:49 < rob0> "man postfix" might have a fix
[22:52:33] <jra> postconf -d | egrep "(owner|group) "
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[22:53:47] <evaryont> Can anyone tell me why there is a lot of communication between root at com dot com & my self?
[22:53:57] <evaryont> er, my server
[22:55:05] <rob0> If anyone was to try, what information would s/he have to go on?
[22:56:14] <evaryont> rob0: what do you mean?
[22:59:02] <sidh> sorry jra i was looking the postfix doc
[22:59:05] <sidh> mail_owner = postfix
[22:59:07] <sidh> setgid_group = maildrop
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[22:59:27] <sidh> i will try to comment out this value and run
[22:59:38] <sidh> postfix set-permissions
[22:59:51] <sidh> to see if the defaults are ok
[23:05:16] <sahil> oh no, sidh's still here!
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[23:06:22] <evaryont> I have a virtual alias database - every time I send a message to user that I thought should be working I get a 550 error - "User unknown in virtual alias table"
[23:06:41] <sidh> oh sahil ahuja , how are you
[23:06:47] <sidh> ?
[23:06:48] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[23:06:48] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
[23:07:01] <evaryont> rob0: thanks
[23:08:35] <sidh> om sairam sahil
[23:09:34] <sahil> sidh: what ever are you going on about?!
[23:09:48] <evaryont> !help
[23:09:48] <knoba> evaryont: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[23:09:54] <evaryont> hr,
[23:09:55] <evaryont> *hrm
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[23:11:03] <sidh> i going to set up my smtp server, i hope that is nearly the end
[23:11:25] <sidh> i'm going
[23:12:28] <evaryont> Postfix is still not sending the emails to ~/Maildir/
[23:14:47] <evaryont> but nor is it appending the messages to /var/mail/evaryont
[23:17:18] <sahil> evaryont: have you pasted postconf -n anywhere for us to review?
[23:17:21] <sahil> evaryont: if not, pastie.org.
[23:19:08] <rob0> Earlier it was because of mailbox_command, but now we're supposed to guess what's happening.
[23:20:45] <sahil> grrr, bastards on bellnexxia.net can't fix their MX and the DNSWL folks haven't removed them.
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[23:20:58] <sahil> rob0: oh, sorry; did not know we were playing the guessing game..
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[23:21:44] <BillyBop> Hi, can I give authenticated access to send mail from any network and unauthenticated access to send mail from "my_networks" ?
[23:22:24] <rob0> /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: my_networks: unknown parameter
[23:23:54] <sahil> s/my_networks/mynetworks/
[23:24:20] <sahil> BillyBop: yes.
[23:25:55] <evaryont> sahil: actually, it started working after a restart
[23:26:04] <evaryont> Now I just need to get Dovecot+IMAP working :/
[23:26:14] <sahil> evaryont: trivial; should take you a few minutes.
[23:26:37] <evaryont> well, that's what should happen vs what has happened
[23:26:52] <evaryont> anw
[23:27:10] <sahil> reading documentation facilitates the occurence of what *should* happen.
[23:27:18] <evaryont> :)
[23:27:24] <sahil> and tutorials != documentation. :P
[23:27:51] <sahil> evaryont: are you doing this as part of a hobby/personal mail server or something larger?
[23:28:00] <evaryont> personal
[23:28:16] <sahil> well, then no fear -- get in there and break stuff!
[23:28:27] <evaryont> ha ha ha
[23:29:12] <BillyBop> sahil: Am I forced to use SASL? I would like to authenticate my users from /etc/shadow accounts
[23:29:47] <rob0> Bill should describe the real-world problem in plain terms.
[23:29:48] <evaryont> BillyBop: as far as I know - i have sasl + shadow accounts enabled, sasl acting more as an extra level of security
[23:29:56] <sahil> BillyBop: the two are not mutually exclusive.
[23:30:03] <sahil> !sasl
[23:30:04] <knoba> sahil: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[23:30:32] <BillyBop> hum, necessary...
[23:34:06] <evaryont> humm
[23:34:31] <sahil> hum de doo.
[23:34:46] <evaryont> sahil: don't think I should ask Dovecot questions here? :)
[23:35:41] <rob0> You shouldn't, but you wouldn't be the first. I would, however, recommend that you first look in the Dovecot wiki.
[23:36:34] <sahil> evaryont: and if the wiki does not provide sufficient guidance, try #dovecot.
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