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[00:24:33] <burntkid> Hello... I am having issues recieve email on my server I am using postfix also I can get emails on my work email address but not my yahoo.
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[00:39:45] <burntkid>  postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/main.cf, line 54: missing '=' after a
[00:39:45] <burntkid> ttribute name: "192.168.15.101:587 inet n - n - - smtpd"
[00:39:56] <burntkid> can someone help me?
[00:40:02] <roe_> pastebin your main.cf
[00:40:59] <shasta> woot?
[00:41:23] <burntkid> ok
[00:41:31] <shasta> who told you to put that 192.168... line in main.cf?!
[00:41:43] <rob0> um, "192.168.15.101:587 inet n - n - - smtpd" looks like master.cf syntax
[00:42:02] <rob0> Attention to detail is very important.
[00:42:28] <burntkid> shasta : http://www.freebsddiary.org/postfix-transport.php
[00:42:29] <roe_> at this point paste-binning anythign would be a start
[00:42:58] <shasta> burntkid, I suggest you to visit your eye doctor
[00:43:04] <rob0> well, it won't fix the original problem
[00:43:28] <shasta> quoting that page: "I started by adding the following line to /usr/local/etc/postfix/master.cf on my Postfix mail server at home:"
[00:43:38] <burntkid> http://pastebin.com/d197c61f5
[00:44:01] <shasta> !tutorial
[00:44:01] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[00:44:07] <shasta> burntkid, ^^^^
[00:44:22] <shasta> also, main.cf is not the same file as master.cf
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[00:45:13] <burntkid> Shasta.. I was reading the doc.
[00:45:34] <burntkid> Shasta I see
[00:45:36] <burntkid> Ok
[00:45:40] <burntkid> Sorry.
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[00:49:11] <burntkid> shasta: Is this correct: postfix/postfix-script: fatal: usage: postfix start (or stop, reload, abort, flush, check, set-permissions, upgrade-configuration)
[00:49:20] <burntkid> the db file did create.
[00:53:01] <burntkid> Shasta?
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[00:55:50] <burntkid> Anybody
[00:58:32] <sahil> anyone?
[00:58:36] <sahil> :)
[00:58:48] <rob0> here I am sahil
[00:58:54] <sahil> rob0: haha, hi.
[00:58:58] * sahil was poking fun at burntkid
[00:59:01] <rob0> I know
[00:59:13] * sahil knows you know i know you know i know you know.
[00:59:19] <rob0> :)
[00:59:21] <burntkid> Sahil: Can you help me.
[00:59:26] <burntkid> Sahil it is correct.
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[00:59:40] <sahil> burntkid: perhaps, if you articulate your problem clearly as per the guidelines mentioned in the topic of this chan.
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[01:01:19] <sahil> burntkid: you should always paste the output of 'postconf -n' in a pastebin when asking for help here.  but since you did post your main.cf, make sure you remove the following line:
[01:01:23] <sahil> 192.168.15.101:587 inet n - n - - smtpd
[01:01:58] <rob0> I think he has caught that mistake already.
[01:02:05] <sahil> it is absolutely absurd and useless in main.cf; it is meant for master.cf.  and while i get what dan (author of that tutorial) was doing, it's just an example.  you need to understand the basics of postfix before you can start adapting someone else's tutorial/experience to work for yourself.
[01:02:14] <burntkid> Sahil: I am trying to change my port from 25 to 587... I am following link : http://www.freebsddiary.org/postfix-transport.php I already removed that but it doesn't still work. I just did postmap transport and postfix restart.. But it is still not working.
[01:02:27] <rob0> WHY change the port?
[01:02:33] <sahil> )*&!*)&!**!@!
[01:02:35] <burntkid> rob0 port 25 is blocked for me.
[01:02:36] * sahil points to rob0
[01:02:40] <sahil> he'll take care of you.
[01:02:43] <rob0> !basic
[01:02:44] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:02:48] <rob0> !relayhost
[01:02:48] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[01:03:22] <sahil> !submission
[01:03:23] <knoba> sahil: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[01:03:26] <sahil> damnit.
[01:03:37] <burntkid> Yes I understand what a Relayhost is.. I work for an company which provides email
[01:03:45] <rob0> The ISP is blocking inbound 25?
[01:04:09] * rob0 is unemployed, are you hiring?
[01:04:19] * sahil too
[01:04:32] <sahil> rob0: why do you keep forgetting people we only work as a team.
[01:04:33] <burntkid> rob0 where do you live?
[01:04:38] <sahil> who cares?
[01:04:40] <sahil> we work remotely.
[01:04:53] <burntkid> rob0: Yes correct port 25 is blocked so i want to use port 587 the alternative port.
[01:05:07] <rob0> indeed, in this business location is irrelevant, if you have a good Internet connection.
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[01:05:24] <sahil> burntkid: if you understand what a relayhost is, why are you trying to muck with transport_maps?  just use a relayhost = [some.ip]:587
[01:05:52] * robtone_ connects rob0 to a nigerian internet connection
[01:05:56] <rob0> 587 is NOT an alternate port ... it is for submission
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[01:06:02] <sahil> and set your smtp_sasl_password_maps appropriately and be on your way.
[01:06:05] <sahil> that's if your isp blocks outgoing.
[01:06:07] <rob0> robtone_: :)
[01:06:09] <sahil> if your isp is blocking INCOMING 25
[01:06:15] <sahil> then stop trying to run a proper mail server on it.
[01:06:30] <sahil> because no other public MX is going to try to connect to 587 when delivering mail to you.
[01:06:31] <rob0> "This solution assumes you have a mail server at home and at least one other mail server out there on the Internet, one which does not have port 25 blocked."
[01:06:41] <sahil> ding ding ding ding!
[01:06:50] <rob0> burntkid: does that describe your situation?
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[01:07:08] <burntkid> Hmm Yea. Port 25 is blocked inbound
[01:07:16] <burntkid> Time to call my isp and yell at them again.
[01:07:27] <rob0> And in PLAIN TERMS, what is it you want to do?
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[01:07:38] <shasta> takeover the world, of course
[01:07:46] <burntkid> rob0: Be able to send / recieve email on my unix box
[01:08:03] <rob0> okay, doesn't relayhost do that for you?
[01:08:04] * robtone_ could live with a "destroy the internet" as short-term goal
[01:08:16] <rob0> receive ... from who/where?
[01:08:34] <burntkid> rob0 anybody who wants to email my users.
[01:08:40] <burntkid> rob0 I'm not using a relay how.
[01:08:40] <rob0> if you want to host a domain as MX you ** MUST ** have a MX on port 25.
[01:08:43] <burntkid> host
[01:09:14] <burntkid> rob0 True. Why is it when I email to root at arbelosservices dot com how is it i'm getting relay is denied.
[01:09:22] <rob0> !relay_denied
[01:09:23] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[01:09:30] <shasta> oh my
[01:10:05] <shasta> burntkid, you can't run a mailserver without substantial networking knowledge
[01:10:09] <shasta> sorry
[01:12:03] <burntkid> Shasta. I have network knowledge I'm just not up in par cause I don't use this knowledge.
[01:12:21] <robtone_> burntkid, maybe http://www.postfix-book.com/ is for you
[01:13:30] <robtone_> however, personally I found http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html sufficient.
[01:13:59] <robtone_> (and some SMTP RFC guidelines)
[01:13:59] <rob0> likewise, but there are prerequisites
[01:14:47] <shasta> prerequisites include at least: basic TCP/IP, DNS, SMTP
[01:14:53] <rob0> for one: basic Unix skills; two: basic networking knowledge; three: DNS
[01:15:06] <robtone_> true.
[01:15:34] <burntkid> robtone_: I already know SMTP RFC guidelines.
[01:15:51] <burntkid> I just havent been aruond for the 25 blocking and the implemation of 587.
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[01:16:35] <rob0> try again with a coherent and PLAIN description of the problem and desired goal.
[01:16:50] <rob0> 00:10 < rob0> if you want to host a domain as MX you ** MUST ** have a MX on port 25.
[01:17:09] <rob0> 00:08 < rob0> 587 is NOT an alternate port ... it is for submission
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[01:17:46] <burntkid> Okay thats what I thought. Someone gave me bad info
[01:18:02] <burntkid> Than I'm screwed if port 25 is blocked inbound.
[01:18:07] <rob0> yup
[01:18:16] <burntkid> Without an relay
[01:18:20] <rob0> or ... you're shopping for another ISP
[01:20:00] <burntkid> hahaha
[01:20:05] <burntkid> Thank you guys!
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[01:21:50] <burntkid> Wait
[01:22:15] <burntkid> It says right on the page. It's already blocking outgoing port 25 and I'm handling that. Now it's time to start accepting incoming mail on the submission port, 587. Why can't I do this?
[01:23:48] <shasta> because you can't tell all the mail servers on the internet to use 587 just for you
[01:24:01] <robtone_> not with the current DNS design
[01:24:50] <burntkid> Yea I know.. DNS fowarding from 25 to 587
[01:25:04] <shasta> "DNS forwarding"...
[01:25:17] <shasta> that's what I meant by "substantial networking knowledge" ;)
[01:25:22] <shasta> bah
[01:25:27] <shasta> off to sleep, have fun
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[01:25:38] <robtone_> well
[01:25:41] <burntkid> Shasta. Goodnight.
[01:25:57] <robtone_> it would be possible (not forwarding, but defining service ports)
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[01:26:23] <robtone_> but this requires some RFC standard
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[01:27:06] * shasta mumbles something about SRV records ;)
[01:27:12] <robtone_> yeah
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[01:28:49] <rob0> In point of fact, if you want to be able to exchange mail with other sites on the Internet, you MUST have a MX speaking SMTP on port 25, somewhere.
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[01:38:46] <burntkid> rob0 Yea they do spam checks to verify SMTP.. Good way to get on a block list.
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[01:43:33] <burntkid> Rob0?
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[01:53:20] <burntkid> Ok I'm crating a SRV.
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[02:00:56] <robtone_> uhm?
[02:01:04] <robtone_> a SRV doesn't help you.
[02:01:41] <robtone_> a SRV record could help in cases where a RFC standard would mandate SMTP clients to look for SRV records. Such standard doesn't exist.
[02:01:46] <rob0> What's that about getting on a block list ... ??
[02:02:20] <rob0> Well, he works for a company that provides email. He'll show us a thing or two.
[02:03:56] <robtone_> but actually, this would be cool if postfix would support SRV
[02:04:15] <stockholm> lots of services should support srv
[02:04:20] <stockholm> only few do
[02:04:30] <stockholm> and many nameservers dont support it
[02:04:52] <stockholm> which is a problem when an application behind such a nameserver tries to use one
[02:07:40] <robtone_> oh, bind should support it, as far as I can see, the idea was from p. vixie?
[02:07:56] <robtone_> ah no, he was a co-author
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[02:14:13] * xpoint will first see ipv6 before getting cleaver :)
[02:16:35] <robtone_> postfix supports IPv6. Its also in wide use.
[02:17:08] <robtone_> (of course not in a satisfying wide use)
[02:17:12] <stockholm> ipv6?
[02:17:25] <stockholm> ipv6 in wide use?
[02:17:35] <stockholm> are you from the future? :-)
[02:18:31] <robtone_> no, but many with who I have contact with (IRC/Mail) do use IPv6
[02:18:45] <robtone_> this is not represntative
[02:18:48] <robtone_> ;-)
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[02:19:11] <robtone_> at least there are more IPv6 users than flash-64bit users ;-)
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[02:19:18] <burntkid> robtone_.
[02:23:29] <burntkid> Robtone: I have postfix set up but port 25 is connecting when telnet to it and I have tried to set it to port 587
[02:26:24] <robtone_> burntkid, strange. My telnet connects to 23.
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[02:32:58] <burntkid> robtone_ I'm testing to see what port smtp is answering one.
[02:33:02] <burntkid> on.
[02:35:14] <robtone_> smtp is 25.
[02:35:26] <robtone_> so, SNAFU.
[02:38:35] <burntkid> robtone_: Yes.. But not if port 25 is blocked.
[02:39:33] <robtone_> ask your ISP to not block, and do something against dejavus.
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[02:42:10] <robtone_> Cpt. Kirk, we have some fluctuations in the space-time-continuum, I fear we are stuck in a time-loop.
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[02:44:27] <rob0> It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.
[02:44:49] <burntkid> Hahah yea ok I already tried to do that.
[02:45:23] <rob0> robtone_, what brings you out in this hour of the night? Past bedtime for you, no? Almost time to get up?
[02:45:28] <burntkid> ok beback
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[02:45:45] <robtone_> rob0, distraction
[02:46:24] <robtone_> and some insomnia because of x-mas
[02:46:46] <robtone_> it's like I want to have more free time for me at the end of the year
[02:49:36] * robtone_ tries to understand gimps scheme stuff in order to make some fancy web-page-preview images (reflections, perspective view, etc)
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[03:48:56] <Gnea> I'm have a big problem. My smarthost is temporarily blocking my postfix site from using them due to excessive message traffic - all of the mail destined for root is getting sent through the smarthost - why is localmail being routed through the smarthost? the hostname is public, but it's still supposed to be sent local, and it's not... how can I fix this?
[03:49:05] <Gnea> *I have
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[04:46:23] <lunaphyte> Gnea: show some logs of mail addressed to root being delivered.
[04:46:48] <Gnea> lunaphyte: one moment.
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[04:49:37] <Gnea> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/d3972f527
[04:50:00] <Gnea> I'm trying to figure out how to get them removed (stopped postfix altogether for the time being)
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[04:53:20] <Gnea> lunaphyte: i've added this to my /etc/postfix/virtual file and ran postmap:  root at mail dot garson.org    root@localhost       think that'll work on further generated traffic?
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[06:13:03] <lunaphyte> Gnea: you've got a mail loop of sort going on.  root at mail dot garson.org i being aliased to root@localhost, and root@localhost is being aliased to root at mail dot garson.org.  adding yet another alias isn't likely to improve things.
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[06:44:46] <Gnea> lunaphyte: well, i was able to flush it all and push everything out of the maildrop.
[06:45:12] <Gnea> now to see if it's still trying to use smarthost for the hostname loop...
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[06:46:39] <Gnea> lunaphyte: fixed it. the alias to virtual did the trick.
[06:47:01] <Gnea> so instead of trying to deliver local mail through the smarthost, it's doing it local, like it should.
[06:47:32] <Gnea> which means, that i need to add a virtual for every local user... but there should be a way around that
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[06:48:59] <Gnea> or not... heh, now it's working just fine!
[06:49:11] <Gnea> i just need to wait for the smarthost to remove me now
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[07:49:08] <sahil> *yawn*
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[08:25:17] <Haris> guys, I'm stuck at the auth mechanism question
[08:25:26] <Haris> Need some insight into how to make postfix use md5-crypt
[08:25:32] <Haris> or how to change over to another encrypted auth method
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[08:39:12] <Haris> does postfix support 'auth=method auth-64-bit-hash-value' way of smtp auth'ing?
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[10:27:18] <Haris> hello?
[10:27:19] <Haris> guys?
[10:27:26] <Haris> how to setup auth method?
[10:27:47] <cite> !sasl
[10:27:48] <knoba> cite: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[10:28:06] <cite> Postfix will over whatever mechanisms it's SASL backend propagates.
[10:28:10] <cite> s/over/offer/
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[10:53:15] <Haris> sasl is implemented
[10:53:23] <Haris> auth works via imap protocol, from dovecot
[10:53:29] <Haris> but doesn't work when smtp auth is being done
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[10:55:05] <Haris> back
[10:55:14] <Haris> last message I saw here was: [02:57:53(pm)] <Haris> postfix complains, wrong auth method
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[12:59:43] <T-Bag> is it possible to know if an email exists or not ?
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[13:03:45] <UQlev> T-Bag: yes it is possible if receiving server does user validation
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[13:36:08] <T-Bag> UQlev: you have an idea on how to do it
[13:36:47] <UQlev> T-Bag: do you know smtp protocol?
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[13:43:02] <T-Bag> yes
[13:43:13] <T-Bag> offcourse
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[14:37:07] <sidh> hello everybody
[14:37:21] <sidh> have a nice week end
[14:37:52] <sidh> i've set up my mail server with postfix
[14:38:14] <sidh> but now i start the service , it says in maillog
[14:38:39] <sidh> Dec 13 11:56:54 mail postfix/master[98935]: fatal: /usr/local/etc/postfix/master.cf: line 108: bad transport type: user=vmail:vmail
[14:38:54] <sidh> so the user exists
[14:39:10] <sidh> that i don't know why it complains
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[14:58:46] <shasta> it complains because you've got wrongly formatted master.cf :)
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[14:59:00] <shasta> man 5 master
[15:01:38] <sidh> shasta: thanks it was because i forget the space at the beginning of the file
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[15:02:47] <sidh> shasta: now i see this error : postfix/trivial-rewrite[2378]: warning: dict_ldap_connect: Unable to bind to server ldap://localhost:389 as : -1 (Can't contact LDAP server)
[15:03:41] <sidh> but in main.cf the ldap server is given
[15:03:54] <sidh> why is it searchin gon ocalhost so ?
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[15:25:50] <sidh> please i really need to understand
[15:26:27] <sidh> in my main.cf ldap_server_host = 192.168.1.7, it is not localhost
[15:26:39] <sidh> so why is it searching in localhost
[15:27:49] <sidh> in this message
[15:27:49] <sidh> shasta: now i see this error : postfix/trivial-rewrite[2378]: warning: dict_ldap_connect: Unable to bind to server ldap://localhost:389 as : -1 (Can't contact LDAP server)
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[16:05:55] <xoritor> what is the best way to forward some users mail to another internal server?
[16:06:43] <xoritor> ie... some of it at the one server in austin some at a server in virginia some at a server in georgia
[16:06:55] <xoritor> would transport_maps be the best way to do that?
[16:07:21] <xoritor> ie...   foo at example dot com  smtp:[mail.austin.example.com]
[16:07:48] <xoritor> bar at example dot com smtp:[mail.va.example.com]
[16:08:10] <xoritor> would something like that be best?
[16:08:18] <xoritor> or is there a better way?
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[17:01:31] <_Marko> is there a scpecial configuration to make when sending mail using php ?
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[17:02:24] <_Marko> even if you have an idea in another laguage it'll be interestin to me
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[17:21:19] <sidh> i would really appreciate your help
[17:21:19] <sidh> to debug this postfix error :
[17:21:19] <sidh> warning: dict_ldap_connect: Unable to bind to server ldap://localhost:389 as : -1 (Can't contact LDAP server)
[17:21:30] <sidh> i'have set in my main.cf file this variable
[17:21:33] <sidh> server_host = 192.168.1.7
[17:21:39] <sidh> so why is it trying to connect to localhost
[17:22:21] <Zelest> how does your main.cf look like?
[17:22:35] <Zelest> (use pastebin)
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[17:25:41] <sahil> don't show your main.cf; show the output of postconf -n.
[17:26:50] <sidh> http://pastebin.com/f5d40a805
[17:28:26] <sidh> sahil: strange , it seems postconf -n doesn't show some of my main.cf variables
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[17:31:47] <shasta> oh my
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[17:32:00] <shasta> sidh, is this your main.cf? http://pastebin.com/f5d40a805
[17:32:14] <sidh> shasta: yes
[17:32:39] <shasta> DOH
[17:32:59] <shasta> http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html
[17:33:21] <lunaphyte> oy
[17:33:49] <lunaphyte> http://www.postfix.org/ldap_table.5.html
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[17:33:58] <lunaphyte> see the section on backwards compatability.
[17:34:12] <lunaphyte> compatibility, rather.
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[17:35:40] <lunaphyte> sidh: if postconf -n isn't showing parameters you've defined in main.cf, then either you're being redundant and defining the same value as the default that already exists, or you've got more than one main.cf
[17:37:23] <sidh> my ldap server coud not be defined in default conf
[17:41:33] <sahil> sidh: then your main.cf variables are not supported, or are default, so it would be redundant to show them.
[17:42:20] <sidh> ok i read your link
[17:42:29] <sidh> and verify
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[17:46:15] <sahil> sidh: is LDAP necessary for you?  how many users do you support?
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[17:48:28] <sidh> sahil: as i use virtual domains
[17:49:00] <sidh> i don't want each mail account have a unix account
[17:49:22] <sidh> but i want virtual user having a ftp repository
[17:49:33] <sidh> for their website
[17:49:53] <sidh> so ldap seems to be the best for that
[17:50:39] <sahil> i don't follow that logic.  but if that works for you, sure.
[17:52:42] <sidh> sahil: imagine
[17:53:37] <sidh> my friends want to have a mail account with the domain they want, and a web site too
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[17:53:55] <sidh> i set up mail server and web server
[17:53:59] <rob0> lunaphyte, redundant default settings DO show. The ones that don't are either unknown settings, or file formatting errors.
[17:54:43] <sidh> on mail server i set a virtual account for them
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[17:55:05] <sidh> with a ldap authentication
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[17:55:50] <sidh> when they go to the webmail, they authenticate and go to the webmail page of their website
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[17:56:11] <sidh> if they want to add some file to their website
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[17:56:41] <sidh> tehy authenticate to the ftp server which deserve their website document root
[17:57:03] <sidh> when they authenticate to their mua
[17:57:12] <sidh> they get their mail
[17:57:21] <sidh> all with the same account
[17:57:30] <sidh> all without system account
[17:57:35] <sidh> do you follow me ?
[17:58:03] <sahil> rob0: ah, indeed you are correct.  sounds like something i should submit a patch to fix.  seems useless.
[17:58:30] <sahil> better yet, why don't *you* submit the patch?
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[18:01:59] <sidh> lunaphyte: server_host is defined in my main.cf file
[18:02:23] <sidh> but in postconf -n , it is not displaying
[18:02:40] <sidh> so i really don't understand
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[18:27:08] <sahil> sidh: because server_host is not a main.cf variable.
[18:33:07] <sidh> sahil: when your face becomes red and you're looking down to your shoes, is it that we call shame ?
[18:35:05] <sahil> sidh: perhaps.
[18:35:27] <sidh> ;)
[18:35:36] <sahil> sidh: would you consider paying for mail services?  :)
[18:36:10] <sidh> no it is for my friends
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[18:37:06] <sidh> oh ... maybe you re talking about your service ...
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[18:38:27] <sidh> sahil: i 'm not sure to understand what you mean
[18:38:45] <sahil> sidh: < sidh> oh ... maybe you re talking about your service ...
[18:41:09] <sidh> how much do that cost to know that server_host is ldap-aliases.cf variable ?
[18:41:54] <sahil> sidh: how much do you pay to know you probably have made a multitude of other mistakes and will spend the better part of your weekend asking questions in this channel trying to fix them?
[18:43:25] <sidh> i came here to have answers to specific questions
[18:43:43] <sidh> not for having a mail platform i would not understand
[18:44:16] <sahil> is english your first language?
[18:44:35] <sidh> your offer is quite interesting for a person who doesn't need to understand how the mail plateform is configured
[18:45:00] <sidh> sahil: no as you can guess...
[18:46:04] <sidh> sahil: i really am sorry for annoying you, i didn't know this chan was for commercial support
[18:46:31] <sahil> sidh: it isn't.  my offer was based on pure sarcasm.  but it fell on deaf, non-english-hearing ears.  hence my question about your first language.
[18:47:01] <sahil> sidh: but this channel is for people looking for help; said help is offered to those who read the documentation.
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[18:47:42] <sidh> i totally agree with you
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[18:47:56] <sidh> most part of my configuration has been made with the configuration
[18:48:03] <sidh> and examples
[18:48:12] <sahil> sidh: if you read the postconf man page, you would never have tried to define server_host in main.cf.
[18:48:20] <sahil> regarding examples, read this:
[18:48:21] <sahil> !tutorial
[18:48:22] <knoba> sahil: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[18:50:01] <sidh> oh i understand , if i was only copying some examples , i would not know how to look for maillog , and other stuff
[18:51:03] <sidh> maybe i didn't read the whole official doc, but i read a lot to understand
[18:51:40] <sidh> here my variable exists and suits my needs , just it is in the wrong file
[18:52:05] <sahil> ergo, it neither exists nor suits anyone's needs, including but limited to yours.
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[18:55:37] <sidh> so i really am sorry for having a question that didn't suit your skills level , anyway , i really thank you , really , and i'm sorry for annoying you with a such 'noob' questions
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[19:05:08] <sahil> sidh: you're annoying me with these silly apologies.
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[19:09:31] <rob0> Sarchasm: the gap between the sarcastic and those who don't get it
[19:10:37] <rob0> 17:45 < sidh> i came here to have answers to specific questions
[19:11:09] <devdas> lol
[19:11:30] <rob0> I might answer a specific question, if I saw it. But that sounds like you might think you're entitled to it.
[19:12:30] <rob0> regarding making Postfix talk to an LDAP server and setting up a sensible LDAP schema, I don't have any advice.
[19:13:19] <rob0> I would, however, advise you that you can start simple, and do fancy junk later when you know more.
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[19:53:51] <pv2b> hi. i'm trying to set up local mail delivery for one user to set up a mailing list like program with virtual hosting. can't seem to get it it working properly. we keep virtual_alias_maps in mysql, and there i've set "something at example dot com" to point to "otherthing". then i put an aias for otherthing in /etc/aliases , but it doesn't seem to work properly.
[19:54:37] <pv2b> i get a bounce stating that "otherthing at example dot com" is an unknown user.
[19:54:49] <devdas> ummm?
[19:57:17] <pv2b> devdas, what's confusing you, my description or the behaviour i described?
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[20:01:26] <MarkBao> alright, I'm a complete noob at postfix. I have Mailserve for OS X running SMTP at port 25. I'm trying to send email through ActiveMailer, it's displaying the message it's going to send, but never actually sends it. I haven't configured anything in Postfix yet. Probably the problem? :)
[20:01:51] <MarkBao> SMTP Auth is off on the server
[20:02:53] <lunaphyte> !osx1
[20:02:53] <knoba> lunaphyte: "osx1" : postfix is used as the mta on mac os x (as of 10.3), with some deviations from a typical configuration. in it's natural state (excluding adjustments on os x server regarding the mail service), launchd watches the maildrop directory (/var/spool/postfix/maildrop). when files appear, launchd runs master directly and uses the -e argument to tell master to exit after 60 seconds have elapsed.
[20:03:02] <lunaphyte> !osx2
[20:03:02] <knoba> lunaphyte: "osx2" : additionally, postfix logs via the traditional syslog mechanism, but by default syslog only logs mail.warn, which can be misleading. lastly, many parameters are listed twice in main.cf. if you adjust something, make sure it's not being clobbered further down (presumably apple's gui for their mail system is the culprit here).
[20:03:26] <rob0> pv2b, the confusion is probably yours, regarding the routing of mail which lacks a domain. See:
[20:03:33] <rob0> !address_class
[20:03:34] <knoba> rob0: Error: "address_class" is not a valid command.
[20:03:36] <rob0> !address_classes
[20:03:37] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[20:03:48] <rob0> !myorigin
[20:03:48] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[20:03:56] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin
[20:03:57] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Append the string "@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information.
[20:04:05] <pv2b> rob0, thanks for the pointers.
[20:04:16] <MarkBao> lunaphyte: ah. Even with Mailserve?
[20:05:34] <lunaphyte> i don't know what mailserve is.
[20:06:35] <rob0> Perhaps Mark needs to talk to Apple support?
[20:06:46] <MarkBao> Ah, just read into it. Turns on the built-in SMTP. I'll look into it. Thanks!
[20:07:20] <pickcoder> was anyone aware of the outlook 2007 rendering issues with HTML e-mail?
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[20:11:10] <higuita> pickcoder: outlook having weird bugs?! i'm  shocked!! ;)
[20:11:16] <pv2b> rob0, ahhhh! now I get it. when i entered a domain-less entry in the virtual aliases table, it automatically got myorigin appended to it, which happened to be @example.com, which is not configured as a mydestination. which means it goes back into the virtual aliases table, and not into /etc/aliases.
[20:11:42] <pv2b> what i needed to do was to make it forward to @mail.example.com (which *is* in mydestination), and then and only then it does local processing of /etc/aliases.db
[20:12:14] <higuita> i had to put a special replace rule in header_check to replace utf-8 to UTF-8 (or something like that) to fix a stupid rendering/encoding bug in oulook
[20:12:24] <higuita> hacks to fix a broken app...
[20:13:19] <pv2b> i guess http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html is meant for a system where /etc/mailname actually is contained i mydestinations.
[20:13:24] <pv2b> thanks!
[20:15:47] <rob0> pv2b: :)
[20:16:23] <rob0> /etc/mailname is not a Postfix file, it's a Debian thing.
[20:17:25] <pv2b> well, yeah, but the config refers to /etc/mailname :-)
[20:17:30] <pv2b> so that wasn't too hard to figure out
[20:17:37] <pickcoder> I wasn't aware of it until yesterday
[20:17:52] <pickcoder> outlook 2007 uses the word HTML rendering engine now instead of IE
[20:17:55] <pv2b> myorigin = /etc/mailname <-- that's the relevant line.
[20:17:59] <pickcoder> so it blows up typical HTML e-mails
[20:18:03] <pickcoder> since it sucks @ HTML
[20:18:09] <pv2b> word has its own HTML rendering engine?
[20:18:12] <pickcoder> 2003 works fine
[20:18:22] <pickcoder> it's hardly a "rendering engine" but yeah
[20:18:38] <pickcoder> when you write HTML e-mails it displays your e-mail in word while you create it
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[20:18:45] <pv2b> i guess that means someone needs to write a web browser in VBA.
[20:18:56] <pickcoder> heh I'm sure it's been done already
[20:19:13] <pickcoder> most people who send HTML lists and newsletters will be having to redo their HTML content
[20:19:21] <pickcoder> which takes up back several years
[20:19:25] <pickcoder> s/up/is
[20:19:27] <pickcoder> meh
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[20:19:30] <pickcoder> s/up/us
[20:19:44] <pv2b> yay for innovation from microsoft.
[20:20:19] <pv2b> though it might actually be a sensible thing to do from a security standpoint.
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[20:21:01] <markit> hi, newbie here. In a host I've postfix instaled. When the system sends to root at proxmox dot asgard.local, I receive a mail in another host info at anotherdomain dot it. I don't understand how/where is this "mapping" set, and how can it contact the correct MTA for delivering. How can I check/track/debug?
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[20:25:51] <higuita> markit: check it there is a host -t mx proxmox.asgard.local  ... if not, host proxmox.asgard.local and if you didnt do anything, it will be delivered to that IP
[20:26:22] <higuita> this of course, if the current postfix isnt already configured to receive proxmox.asgard.local emails
[20:26:34] <higuita> postconf|grep proxmox.asgard.local
[20:26:51] <higuita> postconf |grep maps
[20:27:04] <higuita> check every map file/database
[20:27:36] <markit> higuita: maybe I explained badly
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[20:27:50] <markit> I get info at otherdomain dot it with a POP3 from a remote server
[20:28:08] <higuita> just guessing, i would try to check first the /etc/aliases (or where ever you put the aliases file) and the /etc/postfix/virtual
[20:28:21] <markit> I don't undestand how/where the message sent to root at proxmox dot asgard.local is "routed" or "enveloped" to info at otherdomain dot it
[20:28:39] <higuita> markit: that is what i'm telling you
[20:29:09] <markit> " it will be delivered to that IP" -> 192.168.1.9
[20:29:22] <markit> host -t mx proxmox.asgard.local ha no entry
[20:29:24] 
[20:29:36] <higuita> of course, checking the logs will also help alot
[20:29:49] <markit> sure my server is redirecting, don't understand how
[20:29:50] <higuita> /var/log/mail*
[20:30:15] <markit> higuita: may I pas some lines in private chat?
[20:30:18] <markit> paste
[20:30:42] <pickcoder> pv2b: that's not even the point there. The developers were just too lazy to redo the IE rendering engine to work in 2007. They just hooked up the word module and left it.
[20:30:53] <higuita> !pastebin
[20:30:53] <knoba> higuita: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[20:31:00] <pickcoder> people are screaming murder everywhere
[20:31:08] <higuita> markit: use the pastebin
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[20:31:23] <pickcoder> I doubt that will encourage T-bird migrations though
[20:31:41] <markit> higuita: hate pastebin email addresses
[20:31:42] <pv2b> hey, if you're locked into exchange, what can you do?
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[20:32:08] <pv2b> migrate to postfix, and something else, i guess :)
[20:32:10] <pickcoder> drop it and move
[20:32:13] <pickcoder> :)
[20:32:23] <pv2b> we actually did that on our site a few weeks ago
[20:32:25] <higuita> markit: pastebin have email address? i never saw one...
[20:33:05] <markit> higuita: no, I mean if I pastebin the log, spammers will find my email address
[20:33:16] <markit> or I have to manually change it before pasting
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[20:33:36] <thumbs> change it then?
[20:33:46] <markit> ok, let me search and replace
[20:34:00] 
[20:34:28] <xoritor> is there a way i can tell postfix to keep a mail local AND forward it on to someplace else other than using .forward or procmail?
[20:34:39] <higuita> you can set a low expiration date
[20:34:45] <higuita> xoritor: aliases
[20:35:09] <xoritor> just something like :   user:  user,user at aol dot com
[20:35:20] <higuita> email:  /var/mail/email,other-email at example dot com
[20:35:20] <xoritor> in /etc/aliases?
[20:35:34] <xoritor> higuita, can you point me to a doc on that?
[20:35:34] <markit> higuita:  http://rafb.net/p/9HaLJr48.html   thanks
[20:35:36] <xoritor> please?
[20:35:56] <markit> I've done a rgrep otherdomain.it /etc but no entry found
[20:36:00] <higuita> you can try user:  user,user at aol dot com, as IIRC, it will not apply again the aliases to the new user
[20:36:14] <higuita> but if it fails, point to the file/maildir
[20:36:16] <rob0> "man 5 aliases"
[20:36:39] <xoritor> rob0, looking at that now... ;-)
[20:37:12] <xoritor> will it work if we are using maildir?
[20:37:51] <markit> ok, thanks for the tips
[20:38:09] <rob0> what?
[20:38:10] <markit> I thought there was a flag to tell postfix to be very verbose about what it does and why
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[20:38:58] <higuita> markit: there are debug parameters and -v option in the master
[20:39:03] <Guest77272> I've got postfix setup but all email I receive has the sender domain replaced with my hostname / domain
[20:39:11] <higuita> markit: but have you check the /etc/aliases?
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[20:39:32] <markit> http://rafb.net/p/P8gBk286.html
[20:39:39] <rob0> !verbose
[20:39:40] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[20:39:57] <rob0> note especially, "You probably do not need verbose logging ..."
[20:40:22] <postfoo> i'm using postfix/mysql/courrier... anyone have an idea why all the emails I receive have their domains replaced with my mail server domain?
[20:40:50] <postfoo> for example email comes from user at domain dot com and when I read the message their domain is stripped and replaced with the domain of the mailserver user at mydomain dot com
[20:41:03] <rob0> markit, have you consulted any documentation at all?
[20:41:15] <higuita> markit: cat /var/log/maildir |grep "43BD54B8833\|2C0844B882F" and postconf |grep bcc
[20:41:34] <higuita> check if any of the *_bcc parameters is defined
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[20:41:53] <rob0> higuita: GNU grep won't do that, the "|" operator is an extended regexp thing.
[20:42:19] <higuita> rob0: grep --version
[20:42:20] <higuita> grep (GNU grep) 2.5
[20:42:25] <higuita> yes it does :)
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[20:42:40] <rob0> (egrep or grep -e ... you probably have a shell alias or a patch)
[20:43:01] <higuita> but hey, if there is a problem, use egrep '43BD54B8833|2C0844B882'
[20:43:19] <markit> higuita: the output is similar of the first pastebin I gave you
[20:43:40] <higuita> and no alias
[20:43:42] <markit> at some point, it's "forwarded" to another message, that is the destination from wich I receive in pop3
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[20:44:23] <markit> I've to run, higuita thanks a lot for you help, see you later
[20:44:55] <higuita> rob0: but might be a patch... i'm using plain slackware...
[20:45:14] <rob0> oh hmmmm
[20:45:22] <higuita> but i use grep in suse, debian, gentoo and other unix/linux and it usually works
[20:45:46] <higuita> solaris and irix is the only one that i recall right now that didnt work
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[20:46:41] <dddh> hi
[20:46:43] <higuita> markit: in the firsty pastebin, its missing something for the 43BD54B8833 queued id log
[20:47:14] <higuita> if all it gives is that, then is something really strange...
[20:47:38] <rob0> $ echo ABC | grep "D|C" (nothing) $ echo ABC | grep "D\|C" (ABC)
[20:47:47] <rob0> so you're right I guess
[20:47:48] <xoritor> yea the alias entry of ---  user: user,user at aol dot com ---  bounced (looping error)
[20:47:50] <xoritor> ;-)
[20:48:19] <xoritor> do you guys know if pointing it to a file will work with maildir?
[20:48:37] <xoritor> ie... /var/spool/mail/user/
[20:50:07] <xoritor> maybe setting up a recipient_bcc_maps table?
[20:50:52] <xoritor> but it looks like that is not really what i want
[20:51:02] <higuita> rob0: if you want to use the | without escaping, use 'a|b' instead of ""
[20:51:46] <xoritor> rob0, also use egrep instead of grep if you want to use | without \|
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[20:52:35] <xoritor> ie...  echo ABC | egrep 'D|C'
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[20:53:07] <postfoo> xoritor, any clue about sender domains being replaced on emails?
[20:53:35] <xoritor> you mean incoming or outgoing sender?
[20:53:49] <xoritor> ie... masqerade outgoing?
[20:54:05] <postfoo> incoming
[20:54:23] <xoritor> you want to... or having a problem witht something doing it?
[20:54:36] <higuita> xoritor: yes, aliases also support maildir ... the *_bcc is also a good idea
[20:54:37] <markit> higuita: http://rafb.net/p/1mge9M59.html
[20:54:41] <postfoo> xoritor, comes in user at userdomain dot com shows up as user at mydomain dot com on all mails I receieve
[20:54:57] <higuita> postfoo: have you check the logs?
[20:55:17] <xoritor> higuita, you think the bcc is a better long term solution?
[20:55:53] <xoritor> postfoo, do you see anything using your domain or $mydomain in 'postconf -n'
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[20:57:34] <higuita> xoritor: depends on what you want... for just one user? no, aliases is better... for many users, bcc is better... just be careful about privacy and legal implications of doing that, dont use it to spy someones email
[20:57:58] <xoritor> i have to keep a copy of all mail for legal reasons...
[20:58:21] <xoritor> if i didnt i would just setup a simple forward in aliases
[20:58:31] <xoritor> i have about 6-10 of them
[20:58:45] <xoritor> not many... but enough that bcc is attractive
[20:58:57] <postfoo> xoritor, i only see my domain in the hostname line
[20:59:06] <postfoo> myhostname = mail.mydomain.com
[20:59:10] <higuita> markit: fgrep -Ri info at fantasy dot it /etc/postfix  (of course, correct the domain... and for fake domains, it better to use example.com, as there is a real fantasy.it domain)
[20:59:33] <xoritor> postfoo, is there a mail proxy or some other "upstream" provider sending mail to your server?
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[21:01:22] <xoritor> or could i possibly specifiy more than one transport for a user?
[21:01:35] <postfoo> http://rafb.net/p/BqWtuW18.html
[21:01:45] <xoritor> i already have transport maps specifying the server a user is on
[21:02:18] <higuita> xoritor: 2 transports implies 2 emails, do aliases/bcc then
[21:02:29] <xoritor> hmm
[21:02:39] <xoritor> higuita, thx... i didnt think of that
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[21:03:31] <xoritor> any idea what format the map is in?
[21:03:42] <higuita> postfoo: logs = /var/log/mail* ... that is the config (=/etc/postfix/main.cf)
[21:03:58] <postfoo> actually I think I found the problem - my bad.. it is with emails coming from a web form
[21:04:15] <postfoo> must be a coding issue
[21:04:20] <xoritor> postfoo, that can be a confusing issue
[21:04:53] <higuita> postfoo: that is why the first thing to check is the logs...
[21:04:54] <xoritor> if its from your server you probably have myorigin = $mydomain so it may be stripping the domain part
[21:05:24] <xoritor> if you use the sendmail binary it may fix that issue instead of using localhost:25
[21:05:34] <higuita> if the email is already arriving bad, its the app problem, if its correct, its a postfix problem (and then it will show what he does to the email)
[21:07:04] <xoritor> you think the map file for bcc would be something like ---  user  user,user@aol
[21:07:13] <xoritor> ie... standard postmap format
[21:07:19] <markit> higuita: ok, found in /root/.forward !
[21:07:34] <higuita> yes
[21:08:34] <higuita> markit: the .forward dont create a incoming log? strange...  but glad that you found it
[21:11:47] <postfoo> naw there is something definitely wrong with my mta
[21:12:07] <postfoo> I send an email from mail client and I get this as the sender - Eric at ms1 dot vianet.ca, Robitaille at ms1 dot vianet.ca
[21:12:22] <postfoo> mail account is eric at vianet dot ca - very strange
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[21:13:35] <postfoo> same type of thing from other senders... Eva at mail dot mydomain.com, Mc at mail dot mydomain.com, Norway res. <Elhinney at mail dot mydomain.com>
[21:13:47] <postfoo> seems to break it up
[21:15:22] <postfoo> where should i be looking for errors?
[21:15:53] <postfoo> mail.warn.0?
[21:18:08] <adaptr> they're not errors
[21:18:30] <markit> higuita: a little problem... I removed mail.log and mail.info to have a fresh log, but was no more created (everything is going in syslog). now I've re-created them empty, but still no log anymore in those 2 files... any idea?
[21:18:30] <adaptr> what, exactly, is the problem ?
[21:18:50] <adaptr> markit: you must restart syslog
[21:19:07] <adaptr> and don't remove those files by hand
[21:19:29] <markit> adaptr: thanks a lot
[21:19:54] <markit> worked :))
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[21:26:34] <higuita> markit: if you remove the files used by syslog, you have to create at least a empty one AND restart the syslog
[21:26:42] <higuita> duh, already replied :)
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[21:27:30] <adaptr> yo don't need to create
[21:27:41] <adaptr> any sane syslog has that defaulted
[21:27:48] <rob0> syslogd will create a new file, but you might want to do it if you want to set permissions on it.
[21:28:07] <rob0> which is why logrotate does it
[21:28:26] <adaptr> ah, I was thinking of logrotate, yes
[21:28:37] <adaptr> rob0 is my auxiliary brain
[21:29:08] <rob0> s/$/ on drugs/
[21:29:54] <adaptr> could be
[21:30:08] <higuita> LOL
[21:30:10] <postfoo> is this an issue? - status=bounced (mail for mail.domain.com loops back to myself)
[21:30:22] <higuita> yes
[21:30:23] <adaptr> !loopback
[21:30:23] <knoba> adaptr: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[21:30:31] <postfoo> found that in my syslog
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[21:34:23] <postfoo> so mydestination = mydomain.com ?
[21:35:11] <adaptr> that depends on what you want
[21:35:18] <postfoo> i'm using mysql.. so probably have to define a stub file here to select domains from db
[21:36:19] <postfoo> mydestination = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-domains.cf  ( Can I do this ? )
[21:36:34] <adaptr> sure
[21:36:47] <adaptr> except mydestination is a list, not a map
[21:37:03] <adaptr> using mysql for mydestination is opintless
[21:37:10] <adaptr> or ipnotless
[21:37:15] <adaptr> or tnopiless
[21:37:20] <adaptr> it's definitely less
[21:37:39] <postfoo> ic
[21:38:34] <adaptr> !basic
[21:38:35] <knoba> adaptr: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:39:00] <higuita> virtual?
[21:39:17] <postfoo> yip running virtual
[21:39:24] <postfoo> so figured mysql would be the way to go
[21:39:34] <adaptr> figure again
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[21:41:22] <lunaphyte> one doesn't relate to the other.
[21:41:42] <postfoo> hmmm... so I have to manually change the config file everytime I add a new domain to mysql?
[21:41:56] <adaptr> that depends
[21:42:01] <lunaphyte> you don't _have_ to do anything.  do what makes sense.
[21:42:38] <adaptr> if you want to change mydestination to add virtual domains, then you have not grasped the documentation, and should revisit
[21:42:48] <adaptr> !virtual
[21:42:48] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[21:43:18] <postfoo> I am confused.. all I really know is I've setup postfix to use mysql for users and domains
[21:43:46] <postfoo> so I figured postfix should accept destination emails for those domains that are in msyql
[21:44:08] <adaptr> then you haven't even started understanding the configuration yet
[21:44:19] <adaptr> you should really read all relevant docs
[21:44:22] <lunaphyte> sounds like you're confusing what you want postfix to do with what you've told postfix to do.
[21:44:27] <adaptr> +1
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[21:57:33] <postfoo> ok makes a bit more sense... mydestination refers to where the emails will be routed
[21:57:59] <postfoo> so I shouldn't be getting any more bounces.. all looks well
[21:58:19] <postfoo> only issue now is some weird activity with email address being broken into multiple senders
[21:58:37] <adaptr> that's what we call an "alias"
[21:58:58] <postfoo> ie. john at domain dot com, doe at domain dot com
[21:59:13] <postfoo> comes accross as two senders / aliases - when it is sent from a single domain
[21:59:28] <adaptr> elaborate
[21:59:29] <postfoo> single email account
[21:59:48] <postfoo> ok.. I send an email from the account johndoe at domain dot com
[22:00:10] <postfoo> when I receive the email... the sender line reads john at domain dot com,doe@domain.com
[22:00:48] <rob0> hu-da-hek is sending that to you?
[22:00:56] <postfoo> actually... even adds a sub-domain in there for good measure.. john at ms1 dot domain.com
[22:03:17] <adaptr> !myorigin
[22:03:18] <knoba> adaptr: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[22:03:22] <adaptr> and fix your lousy MUA
[22:03:42] <rob0> 21:01 < postfoo> ok.. I send an email from the account johndoe at domain dot com
[22:03:53] <rob0> What does "send from the account" mean?
[22:05:03] <adaptr> beats me
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[22:05:28] <rob0> adaptr: why do you live with that sadist?
[22:05:29] <postfoo> rob0, means I log into webmail services with one email account johndoe at domain dot com  and send an email from that email account to another account on my mail server - myaccount at mydomain dot com
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[22:05:52] <rob0> Yup, sounds like a broken MUA.
[22:05:54] <postfoo> for example.. .anyone sending an email to my mail server
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[22:06:36] <adaptr> postfoo: how does the webmail application send the mail ? do you even know ?
[22:07:12] <postfoo> seems to come through fine if I use a contact form i've built in php
[22:07:30] <postfoo> so could be the webmail that's messed... but that one is on my server
[22:07:38] <postfoo> seems like any external mail coming in gets fudged
[22:08:04] <adaptr> vague and unhelpful
[22:08:15] <adaptr> but then, that could be said of everything you've said up to now
[22:08:22] <postfoo> any external mail that comes in has the sender address broken
[22:08:42] <adaptr> example ?
[22:08:50] <adaptr> *logs* would be nice
[22:09:18] <rob0> Yeah, I was about to ask, where was the pastebin of logs?
[22:09:43] <adaptr> he never did
[22:09:48] <rob0> adaptr, how much you wanna bet they're munged out of usefulness?
[22:09:50] <adaptr> it's all hot air up to now
[22:09:57] <adaptr> let's see, shall we ?
[22:10:07] <adaptr> that rob0, always so quick with the judgment
[22:10:17] <adaptr> yes, I know you have good cause
[22:10:24] <rob0> just a friendly wager :)
[22:10:35] * rob0 likes to be surprised sometimes
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[22:12:01] <adaptr> tis the season, after all
[22:13:56] <postfoo> which logs? mail.warn, mail.err, syslog?
[22:14:48] <adaptr> !logs
[22:14:48] <knoba> adaptr: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
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[22:22:10] <xpeed> what are the tips to make a complete mail system without no mail message get reject for others MTAs like gmail yahoo etc and other privates MTA?
[22:22:34] <xpeed> my postfix mail system some times get messages rejected from anothers mtas
[22:22:46] <rob0> Number One: never send ANY kind of spam, ever.
[22:22:51] <xpeed> but it can send messages to most of mail systems around the world
[22:23:15] <adaptr> xpeed: if you have to ask, you're not ready
[22:23:16] <xpeed> i mean, things like, DNS PTR Reverse translation
[22:23:22] <rob0> !fcrdns
[22:23:23] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[22:23:31] <xpeed> that's something than almost never apear in documentation
[22:23:36] <adaptr> bullshit!
[22:23:45] <xpeed> it is not bullshit =s
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[22:25:29] <xpeed> for reverse DNS PTR translation, there is some kind of server free for this? or without exeption that service has to be paid?
[22:25:53] <rob0> 21:25 < adaptr> xpeed: if you have to ask, you're not ready
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[22:26:37] <adaptr> xpeed: you need some DNS-fu, it seems - solid DNS knowledge is fundamental to running a public mail system
[22:26:42] <rob0> You need a good understanding (overview, not necessarily in-depth) of networking and DNS.
[22:26:48] <adaptr> I beg to differ
[22:26:57] <adaptr> I would say slightly better than an overview
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[22:27:07] <adaptr> say, a few years experience of running some zones
[22:27:11] <rob0> well, I don't consider myself an expert
[22:27:16] <adaptr> but then, I am a mean sonofabitch
[22:27:32] <xpeed> xD
[22:27:35] <rob0> pretty hard to find someone who I would consider an expert
[22:27:47] <adaptr> go to #bind and throw a rock
[22:28:01] <rob0> I'm in #bind
[22:28:18] <xpeed> lol (?)
[22:29:55] <xpeed> ummm
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[22:30:55] <xpeed> DNS it is not a problem really, (over one DSL Channel) my problem is that i have set a postfix mail system with two DSL Channels for load sharing an link Agregation or back up
[22:31:04] <xpeed> then i got the dilema
[22:31:40] <xpeed> how tha f* do i set the second channel to work as a second ip on my domain name
[22:32:04] <xpeed> i know, with an extra MX reg with low priority but
[22:32:06] <adaptr> does the postfix box have both IPs ? or is it behind a NAT router
[22:32:09] <xpeed> i doesnt works xd
[22:32:18] <xpeed> with a router
[22:32:22] <xpeed> NAtes
[22:32:24] <xpeed> NATed
[22:32:26] <xpeed> *
[22:32:51] <xpeed> my main problem is
[22:33:08] <adaptr> that is your main problem
[22:33:11] <xpeed> i have the DNS service over cdmon.com
[22:33:16] <xpeed> that is free DNS service
[22:33:28] <adaptr> and HOW, exactly, do yo get two internet links into one router ?
[22:33:36] <rob0> !fcrdns
[22:33:36] <adaptr> I'm telling you now that you don't
[22:33:36] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[22:33:37] <xpeed> and don't let me set too much things such a propperly PTR Reg
[22:33:57] <xpeed> adaptr, there is routers with 2 or more WAN ports ..
[22:34:14] <xpeed> that's why it is a router machine
[22:34:17] <xpeed> it routes
[22:34:19] <xpeed> xD
[22:34:21] <adaptr> smartass
[22:34:24] <xpeed> hahaha
[22:34:30] <rob0> If your ISP won't let you set PTRs you need, get another ISP.
[22:34:32] <adaptr> no soho routers will do this, or even understand what it is
[22:34:44] <xpeed> here in my countrys ISPs do not provide PTRs
[22:34:45] <xpeed> >.<
[22:34:53] <wdp> xpeed, which country?
[22:35:04] <rob0> Then you cannot have what you want.
[22:35:11] <xpeed> SouthAmerica, Colombia
[22:35:17] <adaptr> hah, figures
[22:35:20] <rob0> get a colo box somewhere else?
[22:35:34] <xpeed> if i get a DNS service on a DNS server of internet
[22:35:47] <xpeed> even then i can't get a PTR reg?? =s
[22:35:57] <xpeed> i think so  =s
[22:36:01] <adaptr> you really need some DNS-fu
[22:36:05] <rob0> We have given you answers that you do not understand.
[22:36:10] <adaptr> because you're not getting it
[22:36:38] <xpeed> what answers ?  u are telling commands to your bot, but the problem is out there xDD
[22:36:43] <xpeed> well nevermind
[22:36:46] <adaptr> indeed
[22:36:55] <rob0> 21:36 < rob0> If your ISP won't let you set PTRs you need, get another ISP.
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[22:37:01] <rob0> that's an answer
[22:37:06] <adaptr> how much do we owe you ? I'd like to get out of here
[22:37:28] <xpeed> and the counter answers was: there is no isps on this country who set PTRs records
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[22:37:39] <xpeed> i've already ask for two xd
[22:37:47] <xpeed> but i will find another way
[22:37:54] <xpeed> or die trying xD
[22:37:57] <adaptr> then you should not run a mail system on your home connection, get a cheap colo
[22:38:01] <rob0> No, you won't. Maybe the die trying part.
[22:38:09] <adaptr> they can be had for less than what your second internet link costs
[22:38:32] <adaptr> and they DO allow you to set whatever you need
[22:38:40] <xpeed> well, do you have large mail systems?
[22:38:46] <rob0> Do you?
[22:38:58] <adaptr> maybe even have a bit more backbone - say, gigE ?
[22:38:58] <xpeed> i mean, you guys looks as very experienced people
[22:38:59] <adaptr> xpeed: define "large"
[22:39:09] <rob0> The thing is, I understand the issues that you are asking about, but you do not.
[22:39:24] <wdp> <xpeed> what answers ?  u are telling commands to your bot, but the problem is out there xDD
[22:39:25] <wdp> yup
[22:39:28] <wdp> between keyboard and brain
[22:39:32] <xpeed> i don't know several domain over a several servers on a clustering of HA or something like that
[22:39:37] <wdp> hm.. i've forgotten, nobody asked me
[22:39:38] <wdp> sorry
[22:39:46] <adaptr> wdp between ? you mean, like.. Parkinson's ?
[22:40:06] <wdp> xpeed, i give u a hint. google a bit for DNS and PTR record.
[22:40:12] <wdp> xpeed, and read a bit about it
[22:40:29] <rob0> Wikipedia is a good place to read about basics.
[22:40:31] <xpeed> oks i will
[22:41:08] <wdp> and i'm really wondering.. as far as i know EVERY provider can set PTR Records
[22:41:10] <xpeed> actually i've got two mail system on two Corporations working well
[22:41:11] <xpeed> but
[22:41:13] <wdp> that has nothing to do with a country.
[22:41:24] <xpeed> the problem is with the HA scheme xD
[22:41:44] <adaptr> wdp: every owner of a netblock can do whatever they wish with that netblock
[22:41:44] <xpeed> two links get complicates the things xd
[22:41:52] <wdp> adaptr, i know. i got some.
[22:41:52] <xpeed> wdp, trust me it is
[22:42:12] <adaptr> wdp: don't make me jealous, we only have one
[22:42:41] <wdp> errm.
[22:42:41] <xpeed> that's what i asking about your experiences with mail system and DNSs xD
[22:42:44] <wdp> "small" netblocks
[22:42:47] <rob0> Frustrating to see how many totally incompetent people have jobs, when I have none.
[22:42:47] <wdp> like.. sub net blocks
[22:42:48] <wdp> :p
[22:42:49] <xpeed> i think i need another poit of view
[22:42:56] <wdp> :)
[22:43:16] <adaptr> xpeed: you are going to have to go read up on those basics first, you're starting with too little theory
[22:43:18] <StefanHE> anyone here speaks German?
[22:43:18] <StefanHE> My English is very bad
[22:43:24] <wdp> StefanHE, ja.
[22:43:26] <adaptr> my german is worse, trust me
[22:43:30] <StefanHE> supi
[22:43:31] <wdp> StefanHE, was brauchst du?
[22:43:39] <wdp> i hope nobody minds..
[22:43:44] <adaptr> too late
[22:43:50] <rob0> ich spreche Postfix.
[22:44:02] <adaptr> do bist ein Sofa
[22:44:04] <StefanHE> ich hab nen problem mit meinem postfix, die zertifikate sind abgelaufen, kann keine mails mehr schicken
[22:44:06] <wdp> rob0, EHLO
[22:44:16] <wdp> StefanHE, dann kauf neue?
[22:44:17] <rob0> Ich bin ein Postfixer!
[22:44:28] <adaptr> wdp: #postfix ESMTP ALLES KLAR JAHWOHL!
[22:44:41] <rob0> !tls_readme
[22:44:41] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[22:45:03] <wdp> StefanHE, klick den link an. den knoba gepastet hat. hilft dir bestimmt.
[22:45:19] <StefanHE> ok
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[22:45:24] <rob0> I bet there's a translation somewhere.
[22:45:37] <adaptr> I'm curious what babelfish would make of it
[22:45:49] <rob0> oh haha, a mess, no doubt
[22:45:50] <wdp> rob0, dont make it too easy... ppl in the it-world should understand english.
[22:45:55] <wdp> :p
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[22:49:38] <xpeed> do you use virtual transport for users DB, or local transport ?
[22:49:54] <wdp> xpeed, how is this related to ptr records if i may ask?
[22:50:13] <xpeed> nothing really, i'm just asking
[22:50:14] <wdp> i use the virtual transport WITH a mysql database, btw.
[22:50:22] <xpeed> or i can't doit?
[22:50:30] <wdp> though.. if the mysql is down.. your mailsystem isnt working. not everyone wants this.
[22:50:33] <xpeed> me too.
[22:51:23] <adaptr> wdp: use a proxymap
[22:52:04] <rob0> I use all address classes to some extent.
[22:52:42] <rob0> local(8) being my strong preference in most cases
[22:53:45] <xpeed> and many network owners simply can not configure the rDNS because their upstream providers either can't or won't delegate the rDNS.  (from Forward Confirmed reverse DNS Wiki)
[22:54:03] <xpeed> fuck my country (?)
[22:54:09] <adaptr> xpeed: you misunderstand the meaning of the term "network owner"
[22:54:13] <wdp> xpeed, no. fuck your provider.
[22:54:40] <xpeed> adaptr, i bet i am.
[22:54:51] <wdp> xpeed, may we ask, whats your provider?
[22:55:06] <xpeed> how is the name?
[22:55:09] <wdp> ye
[22:55:19] <xpeed> TeleBucaramanga or Telecom
[22:55:24] <xpeed> from southamerica
[22:55:27] <xpeed> third world
[22:56:08] <wdp> you're not talking about a home server or? your server is in a datacenter, yes?
[22:56:27] <wdp> .oO( just to make sure... )
[22:56:29] <rob0> what IP address[es] ?
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[22:56:47] <xpeed> for that i tought that if i buy a DNS Reg, then i could get a PTR reg (like with a Bind System on a LAN) but i seems i was wrong.. like always (?9
[22:57:20] <rob0> Sure, you could, if you had reverse DNS delegation.
[22:57:39] <rob0> has nothing to do with registering a domain
[22:57:40] <adaptr> the PTR record for your IP is bound TO that IP - so whoever controls your IP also controls the PTR record
[22:57:46] <wdp> ich versteh nur bahnhof von dem was er sagt
[22:57:47] <wdp> :)))
[22:57:50] <adaptr> this is always your ISP
[22:57:51] <rob0> has everything to do with *** YOUR ISP ***
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[22:58:10] <xpeed> umm
[22:58:22] <xpeed> let me ask something
[22:58:42] <rob0> no, I asked first: 21:58 < rob0> what IP address[es] ?
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[22:58:59] <xpeed> i understand for a PTR Record, that it is reverse translation for a domain name am i right?
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[22:59:00] <wdp> xpeed, give us an ip address so that we can check the network owner
[22:59:12] <adaptr> xpeed: no
[22:59:18] <xpeed> whois 190.96.164.1
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[22:59:47] <adaptr> Carlos Humberto Moreno S?nchez
[22:59:51] <adaptr> call him up and complain
[23:00:26] <rob0> 164.96.190.in-addr.arpa. 86400  IN      NS      NS1.TELEBUCARAMANGA.NET.CO.
[23:01:00] <xpeed> tell me something,  even with have no dmain name, your ISPs give to you a PTR record?
[23:01:17] <wdp> adaptr, i got different data
[23:01:28] <wdp> ah.
[23:01:30] <adaptr> xpeed: you do have a domain name
[23:01:31] <wdp> u picked the first one.
[23:01:37] <xpeed> here you buy the domain, and you get some DNS who translates ur domain to ur IP
[23:01:47] <xpeed> adaptr, yes
[23:01:53] <adaptr> xpeed: domain and IP have zero - nothing - to do with each other
[23:02:02] <xpeed> umm
[23:02:05] <adaptr> a million domains could all be pointing to your IP
[23:02:07] <wdp> xpeed, you need a PTR record for your IP!
[23:02:10] <wdp> not for your domain
[23:02:12] <xpeed> yes i knoe
[23:02:14] <adaptr> wdp: no, you don't
[23:02:15] <rob0> 58.164.96.190.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer www.pronalci.com.co.
[23:02:25] <wdp> errm
[23:02:26] <wdp> false..
[23:02:29] <wdp> haha.
[23:02:34] * wdp gets confused
[23:02:44] <wdp> adaptr, sorry. proceed :p
[23:02:46] <xpeed> yes that is what i want, and that you get from a DNS server
[23:02:48] <adaptr> there is no requirement for having a valid PTR record
[23:02:51] <rob0> so ONE host (and only one host) in that /24 has a PTR
[23:03:17] <adaptr> since there is no requirement for having any DNS information at all
[23:03:19] <wdp> http://xkcd.com/325/
[23:03:49] <xpeed> i am at same place that at begins xD
[23:04:11] <xpeed> i 'll get my chances with a DNS rec
[23:04:22] <wdp> you need basics first..
[23:04:27] <xpeed> i know that with that i can get a reverse translation name
[23:04:46] <xpeed> yes and i will read about that to stop talking pointless things
[23:04:54] <xpeed> thank you wuys,
[23:04:59] <rob0> Ask pronalci.com.co how they got rDNS from that ISP.
[23:05:00] <xpeed> guys.
[23:05:24] <xpeed> that is not at my city
[23:05:39] <wdp> sigh
[23:05:48] <wdp> adaptr, rob0 good night! happy supportin :p
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[23:06:21] <polemon> hi there!
[23:07:01] <polemon> supposedly I have two mailaddresses, and I'd like to write mail from both of them, where do I put the aliases
[23:07:31] <adaptr> aliases do not SEND mail
[23:07:37] <adaptr> they receive it
[23:07:42] <polemon> i.e. I don't want to just receive mails from both, I want to be both of them in my MAIL FROM: command
[23:07:49] <adaptr> you can use any address you please to send FROM
[23:07:55] <rob0> you set the sender address in your MUA
[23:07:57] <adaptr> both at the same time ?
[23:08:00] <adaptr> unpossible
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[23:08:06] <adaptr> read RFC, please, now go
[23:08:12] <xpeed> hahahaha
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[23:08:36] <polemon> erm...
[23:09:15] <polemon> i cannot use any address i please to send FROM
[23:09:25] <polemon> and i don't even want this
[23:09:28] <adaptr> yes, you can
[23:10:42] <polemon> I get the following error: Sender address rejected: not owned by user
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[23:10:50] <xpeed> for postfix administation porpouses what do you use? postfixadmin?
[23:10:58] <rob0> you get that from WHO/WHERE?
[23:11:18] <polemon> I get that from my Mailclient
[23:11:32] <rob0> and it gets that from WHO/WHERE?
[23:11:56] <rob0> no more questions, say in plain terms what the problem is
[23:12:04] <adaptr> I doubt he even administers his own mail server
[23:13:09] <polemon> how else would I even have access to main.cf ...
[23:13:29] <xpeed> wow
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[23:13:41] <rob0> That would be for you to tell us, not to hope for us to guess.
[23:13:54] <adaptr> polemon: simple. you state your own mail server tells you that you are not allowed to use the sender address you wish to use
[23:14:14] <adaptr> this means one of two things: a. you have no clue how to configure it, or B. you did not actually configure it
[23:14:23] <polemon> yes, because I obviously misconfigured something
[23:14:24] <adaptr> I am giving you the benefit of the doubt
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[23:18:57] <xpeed> do somebody have or have set a HA scheme with two DSL Channels (two IPs to a domain name) on a postfix system?
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[23:20:00] <rob0> polemon: You do not have a simple question which has a simple unambiguous answer. If you don't provide context and more information, no one can answer you. See /topic.
[23:20:06] <adaptr> HA is not really useful when electronic mail has had provisions for backup MXen since the late 1980s
[23:20:20] <adaptr> use a proper backup MX
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[23:21:51] <xpeed> i want HA at internet links level, the first problem is, internet service fails sometimes
[23:22:08] <adaptr> then you have no clue about that, either
[23:22:10] <xpeed> the server has never failed, it is a complete redudant parts machine
[23:22:16] <polemon> when smtpd_sender_restrictions is empty, it'll allow anything, right?
[23:22:23] <adaptr> wrong
[23:22:53] <polemon> that's what in your documentation
[23:23:14] <polemon> "The default is to permit everything" <--- From Documentation
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[23:23:22] <adaptr> I never wrote any documentation for anything
[23:23:28] <leleobhz> someone can help me to relay emails to gmail acccount?
[23:23:28] <xpeed> jesus i feel so asshole for being here asking this things, i think i can't even get understanded at all
[23:23:29] <xpeed> xD
[23:24:03] <rob0> smtpd_sender_restrictions is one of numerous restriction stages
[23:24:46] <polemon> i know that, concerning MAIL FROM: it should do just leaving it empty...
[23:25:34] <adaptr> no, it should not
[23:26:18] <polemon> great, it works now!
[23:27:22] <polemon> adaptr: I'm not sure what your point is, you certainly know how to mislead people...
[23:27:45] <polemon> and if you're trying to be funny
[23:27:48] <polemon> you fail hard
[23:27:53] <polemon> so long
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[23:29:00] <rob0> adaptr, I think you're funny.
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[23:29:52] <rob0> you smell funny too
[23:30:01] <xpeed> haha
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[23:32:54] <adaptr> I do smell funny, I haven't showered today
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[23:39:36] <jra> me neither. anything else? postconfess -n
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[23:42:19] <rob0> I coveted my neighbor's ass
[23:43:22] <thumbs> adaptr: you always smell funny
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