[00:00:17] <LeeQ> I'm jsut firing in with thunderbird
[00:00:52] <LeeQ> tried using testsaslauthd but it gave me other problems
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[00:01:21] <jra> saslfinger was already mentioned?
[00:01:43] <LeeQ> no
[00:01:48] <LeeQ> vas is das?
[00:01:57] <jra> !saslfinger
[00:01:57] <knoba> jra: "saslfinger" : SASL authentication debugging tool for Postfix: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/
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[00:03:45] <LeeQ> ah, it says Cannot find the smtp_sasl_password_maps parameter in main.cf.
[00:03:46] <LeeQ> Client-side SMTP AUTH cannot work without this parameter!
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[00:05:26] <LeeQ> ah, but I shouldn't need that since I am using mysql for the passwords
[00:05:38] <LeeQ> unless I need to point that to mysql somehow?
[00:06:20] <rob0> um, you are doing server or client auth?
[00:06:26] <LeeQ> but that is done with MECHANISMS="pam"
[00:06:30] <LeeQ> client
[00:06:32] <LeeQ> I think
[00:06:34] <LeeQ> right?
[00:06:57] <rob0> well, my crystal ball fails me at the moment ...
[00:07:15] <rob0> no wait
[00:07:19] <rob0> 23:02 < LeeQ> I'm jsut firing in with thunderbird
[00:07:24] <rob0> sounds like server auth
[00:07:30] * lunaphyte hands rob0 a magic 8 ball.
[00:07:42] <rob0> smtp_sasl_password_maps would be irrelevant in that case
[00:07:49] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd
[00:07:50] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[00:08:51] <LeeQ> looks like you are correct
[00:09:48] <LeeQ> so, doesn't look like fingering is getting her off...
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[00:10:41] <LeeQ> if I post the output from -s will that help?
[00:10:50] <shasta> you don't want to know how I understood that :>
[00:11:02] <lunaphyte> probably the same way i did.
[00:11:12] <LeeQ> ;-)
[00:11:13] <lunaphyte> i was about to ask for her address.
[00:11:31] * pickcoder refrains from puns
[00:11:49] * lunaphyte refrains from nuns.
[00:12:14] * rob0 abstains from none
[00:12:22] <lunaphyte> hehe
[00:12:23] <LeeQ> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
[00:12:23] <LeeQ> 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
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[00:12:51] <lunaphyte> if you're gonna drop a bit fat paste into the channel, at least be serious about it.
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[00:13:40] <pickcoder> yesh.. 5300 mails to go out single-file
[00:13:55] <LeeQ> alright, no more jokes... I just want to get this working
[00:14:04] <lunaphyte> i say file them right into the "showers".
[00:14:21] <pickcoder> they're getting washed by AOL/Yahoo/Gmail/MSN/etc
[00:15:04] <LeeQ> this mean anything?
[00:15:05] <LeeQ> Dec 11 18:10:10 bellviewserv saslauthd[5596]: pam_unix(smtp:account): could not identify user (from getpwnam(lee at bellviewsoft dot com))
[00:15:05] <LeeQ> Dec 11 18:10:10 bellviewserv saslauthd[5596]: DEBUG: auth_pam: pam_acct_mgmt failed: Authentication failure
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[00:20:42] <pickcoder> the password lookup can't match on the e-mail
[00:21:51] <LeeQ> that's what I thought, but I have tried changing the password in the DB, tried using different encryption methods (including none)
[00:23:15] <LeeQ> I even set up a username without @
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[00:24:20] <LeeQ> how about this one?
[00:24:21] <LeeQ> _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql
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[00:25:50] <lunaphyte> have you considered using dovecot's sasl?
[00:26:13] <LeeQ> no
[00:26:48] <LeeQ> well, I use courier... but I assume courier's sasl is another viable option?
[00:26:59] <LeeQ> but wait... I'm just trying to get it to work for smtp-auth\
[00:27:38] <lunaphyte> courier doesn't have an sasl component.
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[00:28:24] <LeeQ> hmm... ok, will dovecot's sasl allow me to smtp in?
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[00:28:47] <lunaphyte> anyway, you might consider using dovecto's sasl backend instead of cyrus'.
[00:28:49] <rob0> !sasl
[00:28:49] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[00:29:12] <LeeQ> ah, ok
[00:29:38] <LeeQ> so you are saying i should scrap Cyrus and try dovecot?
[00:29:50] <lunaphyte> no.
[00:29:56] <LeeQ> I feel like I am terribly close to having it functioning with Cyrus
[00:29:57] <lunaphyte> i'm saying you _could_.
[00:30:04] <lunaphyte> i hate cyrus.
[00:30:13] <jra> cyrus is great. when it works.
[00:30:19] <LeeQ> well, I am starting to also... but that's beside the point :-P
[00:30:31] <lunaphyte> the flu is great.  when you don't get it.  :)
[00:30:38] <pickcoder> I had SASL running with dovecot in no time
[00:30:45] <pickcoder> I didn't use Mysql though
[00:31:00] <rob0> PAM and Dovecot is pretty simple
[00:31:12] <LeeQ> so if I use Dovecot for the sasl, would I use it for imap/pop3 also and ditch courier while I'm at it?
[00:31:32] <pickcoder> I would
[00:31:36] <LeeQ> this sounds like a big step backwords... unless you all agree that cyrus reall is a big pile of poop
[00:31:37] <rob0> well, I don't think Courier has a means to authenticate against Dovecot :)
[00:31:39] <pickcoder> unless you want to manage 3 different services
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[00:31:52] <marcus_jabber> hi
[00:32:21] <rob0> Lee, it boils down to this: Cyrus can do it, but it's poorly documented and difficult.
[00:33:07] <LeeQ> well, I guess you have sold me on it... so I'm quitting for tonight and in the morning I will ditch courier and cyrus to begin work on dovecot
[00:33:08] <rob0> And there's no real #cyrus channel as far as I know.
[00:33:23] <pickcoder> LeeQ: what distro?
[00:33:24] <rob0> Most of us here opted for the easy way out.
[00:33:33] <LeeQ> ubuntu intreepid
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[00:33:43] <pickcoder> should be install and go except for a couple of tweaks
[00:33:56] <pickcoder> and one for outcast if anyone uses it
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[00:34:17] <LeeQ> so you'll all be on in the morning if I need a shoulder to cry on?
[00:34:25] * pickcoder sleeps in
[00:34:38] <pickcoder> plus we have the company x-mas lunch tomorrow
[00:34:49] <rob0> pickcoder forgot to invite ME!
[00:34:54] <LeeQ> well, I appreciate all the help
[00:34:55] <pickcoder> then I have the joy of trying to pass my driver's license eye test
[00:35:00] <SARGuy> anyone have any experience/issues sending to Yahoo?  I have some old Postfix servers I'm upgrading and I see a ton of queue defers primarily dealing with Yahoo
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[00:35:04] <LeeQ> I'll let you know how I make out with it
[00:35:07] <rob0> !yahoo
[00:35:08] <knoba> rob0: "yahoo" : Yahoo and other providers throttle inbound connections in an attempt to reduce spam. If you're a big operator, talk to them about whitelisting. If not, just wait for the retry, your mail eventually goes through.
[00:35:23] <SARGuy> yeah, that's what I was afraid of
[00:35:25] <pickcoder> rob0: I save some wine and a piece of fish
[00:35:36] <pickcoder> the appetizers will probably get demolished
[00:36:01] <SARGuy> also looks like there was some qmgr thorttling...  ideas/best practices on that?
[00:36:08] <pickcoder> SARGuy: I set up a transport just for the big webmail services
[00:36:11] <pickcoder> it allows 1 mail at a time
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[00:36:20] <pickcoder> even then they will start delaying mail
[00:36:21] <SARGuy> hmmm
[00:36:23] <rob0> best practice: leave it alone :)
[00:36:26] <SARGuy> lol
[00:36:45] <SARGuy> qmgr_active_message_limit and recipient set to 20k...
[00:36:50] <pickcoder> rob0: my queue actually goes out faster if sent single-file
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[00:37:20] <thumbs> pickcoder: are you using a p1 250?
[00:37:30] <pickcoder> nope
[00:37:40] <rob0> big shop?
[00:37:48] <pickcoder> I get more mail out initially before it starts failing
[00:37:51] <SARGuy> who, me?
[00:38:13] <pickcoder> than with a normal 100 default_process_limit setup
[00:38:17] <pickcoder> but that's just me
[00:38:31] <pickcoder> I have ~5300 sitting in queue right now waiting
[00:38:54] * pickcoder checks
[00:38:58] <pickcoder> 3914 actually right now
[00:39:05] <pickcoder> so it dropped significantly in the past 30 minutes
[00:39:49] <SARGuy> rob0: so you're saying you don't adjust anything with the queue for Yahoo, Hotmail, etc???
[00:40:44] <pickcoder> SARGuy: in general there's nothing you can do to stop the deferrals. They're spam trigger-happy services.
[00:40:50] <pickcoder> for AOL get on the feedback loop
[00:40:56] <SARGuy> already done that
[00:41:00] <pickcoder> that's about all you can do
[00:41:10] <SARGuy> ok so POstfix = defaults...  I like that
[00:41:31] <pickcoder> if you want to squeeze out a few extra mails before they start deferring, then you can play with transports
[00:41:43] <pickcoder> see how many you can send out before they start deferring
[00:41:45] <SARGuy> not sure I'm that motivated
[00:42:52] <pickcoder> I've considered getting services from www.wordtothewise.com but I haven't really talked to management about it yet
[00:43:01] <pickcoder> too many other pressing projects
[00:43:07] <pickcoder> like a new web site
[00:43:12] <pickcoder> \o/
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[01:01:04] <Samus_Aran> I am trying to deal with "SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate to server smtp.googlemail.com: no mechanism available".
[01:01:07] <Samus_Aran> would this be because of "certificate verification failed for smtp.googlemail.com" ?
[01:01:25] <Samus_Aran> untrusted issuer /C=ZA/ST=Western Cape/L=Cape Town/O=Thawte Consulting cc/OU=Certification Services Division/CN=Thawte Premium Server CA/emailAddress=premium-server at thawte dot com
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[01:02:09] <Samus_Aran> I'm not sure why Google's Thawte cert would be considered untrusted, and I was able to relay messages through Google apps a day ago with that warning
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[01:05:43] <zoid_> hi, i can't get smtp auth working, here is my conf
[01:05:45] <zoid_> http://rafb.net/p/8iDKE222.html
[01:06:10] <zoid_> the los says: Dec 11 22:13:51 postal postfix/smtpd[7825]: fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "smtpd_sasl_auth_enable"
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[01:10:19] <SARGuy> anyone have any idea why sending a message to a hotmail account would be undeliverable as: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[01:11:26] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[01:11:27] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
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[01:13:09] <rob0> z, postconf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[01:13:13] <Samus_Aran> SARGuy: is that a message you receive from Hotmail when sending to them, or what ?
[01:13:37] <SARGuy> I may have just figured it out...  just takes one user to screw it up for everyone...
[01:14:49] <zoid_> rob0: me?
[01:14:58] <zoid_> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated,         permit_mynetworks,         reject_unauth_destination
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[01:27:36] <zoid_> nevermind, got it
[01:27:52] <zoid_> was using "=" instead of : in the sasl smtpd config
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[02:49:44] <Samus_Aran> anyone know how to get Postfix to use a root certificate for Thawte ?  I have installed it to /etc/ssl/certs/Thawte_Premium_Server_CA.pem and run c_rehash and verified it "OK", but Postfix won't use it
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[02:50:43] <Samus_Aran> oh weird, I just realised that my home computer has that cert, the one I installed here at work is Thawte_Primary_Root_CA_b64.pem, hm
[02:50:49] <Samus_Aran> I will scp this one over and see if that works, hehe
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[02:51:44] <Samus_Aran> hm, my home one has hundreds of root certs.  work one none.  both are Ubuntu.  I didn't manually install any certs on either
[02:51:55] <Samus_Aran> odd
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[03:17:57] <sahil> screw ubunto.
[03:17:59] <sahil> get a real OS.
[03:18:13] <rob0> Scrubuntu ?
[03:18:32] <sahil> creative, and useful.
[03:18:33] <sahil> good work.
[03:18:54] <rob0> tyvm
[03:20:42] <sahil> yavw
[03:21:39] <thumbs> rob0: you impress me.
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[03:23:18] <Samus_Aran> sahil: what does Ubuntu have to do with anything ?
[03:23:41] <Samus_Aran> wouldn't be any different if I were on Slackware, Debian, Arch Linux or CentOS
[03:26:41] <sahil> Samus_Aran: stick around for a while, and you'll start to understand.  until then, enjoy your blissful ignorance.
[03:27:38] <Samus_Aran> sahil: I have been using GNU/Linux for a very long time.  I have used dozens of distros at work and home, starting with Slackware for a couple years.
[03:27:46] <Samus_Aran> sahil: so it is you that are ignorant, thank you
[03:28:01] <thumbs> heh
[03:28:26] <Samus_Aran> I use Ubuntu now because I can't be fucked with compiling everything, it has huge repositories available
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[03:34:01] <sahil> Samus_Aran: hahahahaha
[03:34:05] <sahil> ok, linux hax0r guy!
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[03:34:17] <sahil> the fucking insecurities in this room are palpable.
[03:34:42] <sahil> did i *ask* for a history of your newbie linux endeavors?  cute that you're offering them, though.
[03:35:10] <Samus_Aran> sahil: how did I become a hax0r guy ?  do you suffer from mental retardation ?
[03:36:16] <jangell> linux sucks
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[03:36:28] <jangell> that is why i'm porting postfix to a real server,  Windows Server 2008.
[03:36:40] <sahil> Samus_Aran: no, that would be you, douchebag.  fucking punctuating after a space in each sentence.  you clearly suffer from both mental and physical malfunction.  i pity you.
[03:36:44] <sahil> jangell: haha, nice.
[03:36:55] <sahil> jangell: did you sort out that wildcard domain problem after all?
[03:37:12] <sahil> oh no!
[03:37:14] <Samus_Aran> sahil: you and jangell are made for each other.  =)  I will leave you two to it
[03:37:18] * sahil realizes Samus_Aran is "ill"
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[03:37:23] <sahil> haha, pussy.
[03:37:47] <sahil> must be one of those insecure nerds in real life, unable to deal with confrontation.  now i almost feel bad.
[03:37:51] <sahil> _almost_
[03:37:55] <jangell> sahil: sort of..I finally switched from following stupid tutorials to actually reading the documentation and rebuilt my LDAP schema more or less based on how Active Directory / exchange does it.  I have a blissful moment earlier where ldap queries and how I integrate that into postfix finally clicked.  It's an exciting day for me with Postfix :)
[03:38:10] <jangell> had*
[03:38:11] <sahil> jangell: cool. :-)  glad to hear it.
[03:38:45] <jangell> sahil: Funny how you go through that.. You start on new fairly complicated software..you read tutorials and duplicate them..but it doesn't do what you want..and finally with enough fighting things start to make sense.
[03:39:04] <jangell> So what is a *real* Linux distribution anyhow?
[03:40:52] <lunaphyte> freebsd
[03:40:55] <lunaphyte> :p
[03:41:05] <jangell> lmfao..I'm just curious
[03:41:07] <sahil> jangell: i haven't a clue.  i used slackware several years ago and have not used anything but freebsd for production servers in at least 5-6 years.  mac osx for desktop.
[03:41:15] <jangell> Ah I see.
[03:41:37] <sahil> to be honest, i was fscking with samus and he clearly sucks at life and couldn't hang.  nothing against linux.  BUT i do have something against debian/ubuntu and related variants.
[03:41:50] <Dominian> Slackware ftw
[03:41:54] <Dominian> opensuse ftw ;P
[03:41:56] <sahil> notoriously bad package builds of postfix which leads to an inordinate amount of stupid questions in here and on the mailing list.
[03:41:57] <Dominian> freebsd ftw
[03:41:59] <lunaphyte> i actually enjoy using debian.
[03:42:07] * sahil has heard opensuse is quite nice.
[03:42:12] <sahil> though i haven't used it.
[03:42:12] <jangell> my order basically went:  slackware, to redhat,  to debian,  to gentoo,  to debian, to ubuntu,  to CentOS/RHEL.
[03:42:29] <Dominian> hehe
[03:42:30] <lunaphyte> redhat = barf, in my book.
[03:42:39] <Dominian> I don't keep myself one distribution
[03:42:42] <Dominian> I use serveral
[03:42:45] <jangell> i've been on CentOS/RHEL for the last few years..and it isn't perfect...but--it's what a lot of companies like to see..and I've never had an update bust something.
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[03:43:03] <Dominian> eh CentOS is ok
[03:43:06] <Dominian> with SELinux turned off
[03:43:15] <jangell> that said..the packages that *really* matter to me..for example,  postfix, qmail,  dovecot,  apache,  mysql, php, ldap,  etc..all that I compile from source.
[03:43:22] <Dominian> for what *I'VE* seen people using CentOS for.. SELinux is just extra crap in the way
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[03:43:28] <jangell> Dominian: turning off SELinux is the first thing I do. :)
[03:43:29] <sahil> Dominian: i find that difficult to do; once i get comfortable with the idiosyncracies of one OS (FreeBSD in my case), i find it unnecessary to try others.  you just learn how to get shit done as best and efficient as possible with whatever you're working with.
[03:43:33] <sahil> SELinux.. *cringe*
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[03:43:38] <Siegfried> hi
[03:43:50] <Dominian> sahil: aye.. agreed.. however.. I stick with Slackware and openSUSE mainly
[03:44:02] <Siegfried> anyway to use xen.spamhaus.org if we use sasl auth on the same host?
[03:44:13] <Dominian> openSUSE on my laptop because I travel to client's to do IT work.. if I need software.. just: zypper install <software>  and done
[03:44:15] <jangell> turn off selinux..upgrade all pacakges...install ntp..sync the time....my first couple moves on CentOS :)
[03:44:23] <Dominian> Siegfried: what.. do sasl on submission port
[03:44:26] <Dominian> !submission
[03:44:27] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[03:44:30] <Dominian> damn it
[03:44:35] <Dominian> !sasl
[03:44:35] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[03:44:36] <Siegfried> ^:p
[03:44:52] <Dominian> Just switch SASL to port 587 and put zen.spamhaus.org on port 25.. done
[03:45:01] <Siegfried> i see
[03:45:06] <Siegfried> thanks Dominian
[03:45:18] <Dominian> no problem
[03:45:22] <Dominian> its what I do with my server
[03:45:24] <Dominian> makes thing easier
[03:45:43] <lunaphyte> someone make a joke about girlfriends and submission ports.
[03:45:45] <rob0> You can (should) also put permit_sasl_authenticated before DNSBL and other checks.
[03:46:02] <jangell> I assume NFS mounting SMTP queues across multiple SMTP servers is a ReallyBadIdea(TM) ?
[03:46:06] <Siegfried> rob0 in smtpd_client_restrictions ?
[03:46:14] <jangell> as it should be local to each smtp server correct?
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[03:46:24] <Dominian> rob0: oh yes forgot about that
[03:46:36] <Dominian> Siegfried: If you want sasl on port 25.. do what rob0 said :P
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[03:46:38] <Siegfried> as i use rbl on smtpd_client_restrictions
[03:46:50] <Dominian> yes
[03:46:59] <Siegfried> ok thanks!
[03:46:59] <Dominian> so it will permit sasl authed users to by pass RBL checks
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[03:47:12] <rob0> in ANY smtpd_*_restrictions you use
[03:47:23] <Siegfried> i wanted to be sure there was no problem to put permit_sasl_authenticated there
[03:47:27] <Siegfried> ah ok
[03:47:33] <Dominian> no.. no problem at all
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[03:53:49] <Siegfried> thanks, helped a lot :)
[03:54:26] <sahil> .3
[03:54:30] <sahil> woops, sorry.
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[03:54:47] <cite> Good morning.
[03:55:04] <Siegfried> morning
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[04:10:57] <jangell> so it seems that $virtual_mailbox_domains isn't needed if $virtual_mailbox_maps is used?
[04:11:13] <jangell> Does postfix even need to know the path to my Maildir for a user or domain since I'm using Dovecot as my LDA?
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[04:14:25] <cite> jangell: Nope.
[04:14:49] <jangell> cite: so I don't need to worry about $virtual_mailbox_domains or $virtual_mailbox_maps ?
[04:14:53] <rob0> Each of those parameters has a specific purpose. They're all indexed in postconf.5.html ... hyperlinked at for example ... #virtual_mailbox_domains
[04:15:18] <cite> Yes, you do need to worry. You will need to return _anything_ if the mailbox does exist - you just don't need to worry about the exact mailbox path.
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[04:15:50] <jangell> cite: Okay.  So I still ahve to *SET* those parameters so that it can verify the user /domain exists?
[04:15:52] <cite> rob0: I was awake until 2am, but we found the error in our queues.
[04:16:01] <cite> jangell: Exactly.
[04:16:32] <jangell> cite: okay..makes sense I think..so I can return whatever I want...I'm thinking I'm goign to store the path in LDAP anyways..so  Imight as well jsut return it..wow I can't type.
[04:17:01] <rob0> it's what, 5am now?
[04:17:15] <cite> 04:19
[04:17:27] <rob0> have a nice nap? :)
[04:18:13] <cite> Sure did, thanks to my hyperthyroidism.
[04:18:14] <cite> ;-)
[04:18:43] <sahil> cite: germany?
[04:18:58] <cite> Is my choice of words that bad? *eg*
[04:20:12] <cite> rob0: Well, anyways, we had two different sets of config files on that machine.
[04:20:28] <rob0> ohhh
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[05:22:43] <bluethundr> hello postfixers, how goes how goes?
[05:22:51] <bluethundr> I have a new problem with my mail system
[05:23:10] <bluethundr> I just tried sending a message to it from my work address and got THIS bounce
[05:23:11] <bluethundr> http://paste.debian.net/23437/
[05:23:31] <bluethundr> and here are my mail logs
[05:23:32] <bluethundr> http://paste.debian.net/23438/
[05:23:41] <bluethundr> can someone help me parse this error?
[05:23:54] <bluethundr> I really do need to find out why this bounce occured
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[05:30:19] <bluethundr> here's a more succinct grep of my mail logs for the email address I tried to send from
[05:30:20] <bluethundr> http://paste.debian.net/23439/
[05:31:27] <bluethundr> don't think this is an /etc/resolv.conf error again because I'm able to dig the mx of anntaylor.com
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[05:37:21] <tomb0y> im trying to setup postfix using mysql as domains and its failing for me.  i created a virtual domain in mysql db, and when i run postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-domains.cf  i get an output of  postmap: warning connect to mysql server 127.0.0.1  cant connect.   now mysql is running, its bound to 127.0.0.1, the user/pass in the .cf can fully login and run select cmds in mysql so kinda lost.
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[05:41:36] <tomb0y> any ideas ?    my user can do   mysql -u username -p mailserver  and then run the SELECT 1 FROM virtual_domains WHERE name='example.com' and it outputs the 1 row.
[05:42:53] <Dominian> what distro?
[05:42:58] <Dominian> sounds like --skip-networking was invoked
[05:43:33] <bluethundr> has anyone had a chance to look at my pastes?
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[05:45:31] <tomb0y> dominian: debian
[05:45:54] <Dominian> ick..
[05:46:01] <Dominian> Why is it always debian...
[05:46:33] <bluethundr> heh.. yeah, I got the debian lecture the other night too! lol
[05:46:52] <bluethundr> it was recommended that i scrap debian and start again with slackware
[05:47:05] <Dominian> hehe
[05:47:08] <tomb0y> i see this:  skip-external-locking  and bind-address        = 127.0.0.1
[05:47:09] <Dominian> debian does sme weird shit
[05:47:19] <tomb0y> in my.cnf  but not a skip-networking set
[05:47:21] <Dominian> tomb0y: is port 3306 running on 127.0.0.1?
[05:47:40] <bluethundr> especially since I'm using lenny :)
[05:48:26] <tomb0y> dominian: tcp        0      0 localhost:mysql         *:*                     LISTEN        mysql           3306/tcp
[05:48:37] <bluethundr> domininian: I'm getting this weird bounce.. would you mind having a quick look-see?
[05:48:38] <bluethundr> http://paste.debian.net/23437/
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[05:48:57] <tomb0y> blue: ive been using debian for 10+ years.. its a good distro.
[05:49:00] <bluethundr> http://paste.debian.net/23439/
[05:49:09] <bluethundr> nice
[05:49:25] <bluethundr> I've always been partial to it do to the extreme easy of use apt affords
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[05:50:25] <tomb0y> yea. thats what sold me on it that many years ago.  rh had a poor management system, slack was completely manual, and there were none of this ubuntu gentoo crap ;x
[05:51:15] <bluethundr> for server I'm partial to debian, for desktop/laptop use I'm partial to ubuntu
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[05:57:44] <jangell> tomb0y: Me too..eventually about 2 years ago though I started using CentOS..and it has came a *LONG* ways since the old REdhat 7.x ish days
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[05:59:05] <jangell> Does anyone in here pull their MailDir location out of a database and hand that off to Dovecot?  I'm having a problem doing so that I can't quite figureo ut yet.
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[06:14:36] <tomb0y> yea i cannot figure out why postfix wont connect to mysql.. this is insane ;x  swear ive checked everything
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[06:30:45] <amason_> tomb0y: well there isn't much that can break. what does the error log say ?
[06:31:08] <amason_> tomb0y: can you connect via the mysql client via the username and password ?
[06:31:13] <tomb0y> "postmap: warning: connect to mysql server 127.0.0.1: Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (110)"
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[06:31:51] <amason_> tomb0y:  so you have tried connecting via mysql client and that works ?
[06:32:23] <tomb0y> yea  mysql -u username -p mailserver  works fine.   im on the thought its a chroot issue, and ive followed the advice to have postfix create a ln between mysqld.sock and throw it into the chroot environament
[06:32:54] <tomb0y> but im not getting an socket error in the log, just a cant connect.
[06:33:04] <amason_> tomb0y: in that case you need to either use a proxymap or you need to tell it to use the socket
[06:33:12] <amason_> also is it a hard link or a softlink
[06:33:17] <tomb0y> hard link.
[06:33:17] <amason_> afaik softlink won't work
[06:33:19] <amason_> k
[06:33:27] <amason_> yeh tell it to use the socket
[06:33:39] <amason_> specify the socket location
[06:33:49] <amason_> having said that i wasn't able to get my install to use the socket
[06:34:01] <tomb0y> i dont know where i would define that.
[06:34:07] <amason_> in yoru config file
[06:34:17] <amason_> blahmap-sql.conf
[06:34:25] <amason_> or what ever you have called it
[06:34:38] <amason_> the same place you are defining the rest of your mysql connection info
[06:36:12] <tomb0y> whats the syntax for it in that file?  i currently have hosts = 127.0.0.1
[06:36:39] <tomb0y> ahh nm
[06:36:48] <tomb0y> if i swap that to  localhost  it works
[06:37:13] <tomb0y> odd,  forums found on google results say it must be hosts = 127.0.0.1 else itll fail ;x  for me its opposite
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[06:57:32] <amason_> tomb0y:  127... is tcp
[06:57:42] <amason_> localhost for mysql will use sockets if it can
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[08:19:03] <adaran> how exactly do i use aliases (to set up simple mailing lists) with virtual alias domains?
[08:20:45] <adaran> postfix complains that postalias: warning: /etc/postfix/mail_lists, line 1: name must be local
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[10:01:41] <n00tz> anyone alive this early/late?
[10:04:27] <f3ew> sh: dat: command not found
[10:04:30] <f3ew> Fri Dec 12 14:36:34 IST 2008
[10:04:50] <hparker> :P
[10:05:19] <hparker> Fri Dec 12 03:07:22 CST 2008
[10:05:24] <n00tz> I may have just solved my issue...
[10:05:38] <n00tz> I can remove shit from the queue a lot faster if postfix is stopped :P
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[10:07:26] <n00tz> postsuper: Deleted: 152029 messages
[10:07:26] <n00tz> mailscan1#
[10:07:26] <n00tz> postsuper: Deleted: 125508 messages
[10:07:26] <n00tz> mailscan2#
[10:07:56] <n00tz> and I'm doing another set right now
[10:08:06] <hparker> yikes!
[10:08:12] <hparker> What is all of that?
[10:08:29] <n00tz> it's 4am.. I'm the on call guy
[10:08:36] <n00tz> and I get a call from our night-tech
[10:08:47] <n00tz> (mind you, this was 3 hours ago)
[10:09:03] <n00tz> "Uhh, I haven't gotten any email on our exchange box since... about the time you left"
[10:09:34] <n00tz> one of our customers has been infected or something..
[10:09:52] <n00tz> filled the queue on our virus/spam cleaning servers
[10:10:03] <n00tz> mx-forwarders basically
[10:10:05] <n00tz> it's a mess
[10:10:22] <hparker> Shoot said customer
[10:10:25] <f3ew> ah, find customer, block customer from routing
[10:10:32] <hparker> Call them now and tell them you're on your way
[10:10:36] <n00tz> and because I'm on-call this week, I get to clean it up so our high profile customers will get their virus free mail in the morning
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[10:10:54] <n00tz> lol I added the address to the REJECT list, is that the right move?
[10:11:05] <n00tz> ie address at domain dot tld REJECT
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[10:11:06] <f3ew> the IP?
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[10:11:14] <f3ew> the sender?
[10:11:16] <hparker> null route the IP
[10:11:22] <n00tz> postmap rejectfile
[10:11:31] <n00tz> well, I just want to block his address
[10:11:32] <hparker> When they call ask them where to send the bill
[10:11:38] <n00tz> lol
[10:11:40] <n00tz> oh yeah
[10:11:44] <n00tz> they'll be getting a bill
[10:12:11] <n00tz> postsuper: Deleted: 98504 messages
[10:12:12] <n00tz> mailscan1#
[10:12:12] <n00tz> postsuper: Deleted: 115142 messages
[10:12:12] <n00tz> mailscan2#
[10:12:16] <n00tz> there's that second set
[10:12:31] <f3ew> n00tz might be easier to just firewall them off
[10:12:31] <hparker> ouch
[10:12:31] <n00tz> now.. lets see if postfix will start up with a happier queue
[10:13:08] <n00tz> that has to go through a couple of other levels of supervisors that aren't awake right now
[10:13:23] * hparker agrees with f3ew... Then they'll call wondering about broken interwebs and you can tell them it'll be fixed after they pave the infected box
[10:13:42] <hparker> Call them :P
[10:13:54] * hparker likes waking peeps up when he's got to be up
[10:14:01] <hparker> Share the luv
[10:14:03] <n00tz> I've called them...
[10:14:14] <f3ew> Local firewall on the MX servers
[10:14:15] <n00tz> two of our admins are on vacation
[10:14:16] <hparker> Might be why I've been self-employed so many years too :P
[10:14:21] <n00tz> so, they have their phones off
[10:14:29] <n00tz> and the other isn't waking to the calls..
[10:14:35] <f3ew> Or change their password, so that authentication fails
[10:15:42] <hparker> n00tz: Do you work for the smart tech that does pc warranty work?
[10:16:19] <n00tz> no
[10:16:30] <n00tz> I work for the SMartech that hosts the RNC
[10:16:44] <hparker> I see now that I finally got firefox to open
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[10:17:14] <hparker> Not sure I'd tell many people that :P
[10:17:27] <n00tz> yeah, well.. /whois is where all that info is..
[10:17:43] <hparker> yeah
[10:17:59] <n00tz> anyone that can run IRC in this channel should be smart enough to do 10 seconds of investigation and get that figured out :P
[10:18:11] <n00tz> so I'm not exactly disclosing new info :P
[10:18:22] <n00tz> but it looks like my queue is happy now
[10:18:31] <n00tz> I'm starting to get emails to the exchange here
[10:18:36] <hparker> I've got too much shit compiling, firefox wasn't wanting to open so I could go to the website :P
[10:18:48] <n00tz> gentoo user :P
[10:18:52] <n00tz> I suppose?
[10:18:58] <n00tz> or FreeBSD?
[10:19:07] <hparker> heh... Actually I'm compiling xbmc which isn't supported 64bit
[10:19:14] <hparker> Gentoo dev :P
[10:19:36] <n00tz> ah, cool. one of my favorite gadgets at the house right now is my XBMC
[10:19:44] <hparker> See, /whois is where all that info is
[10:19:51] <n00tz> lol
[10:19:52] <hparker> hehe
[10:20:16] <hparker> But yeah, saw no 64bit support and it looks like a neat app... So I'm playing
[10:20:17] <n00tz> I'm lazy.. and need to go make another cup of espresso
[10:20:25] <hparker> Get me one too please
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[10:20:33] <n00tz> lol, come on over to chattanooga :P
[10:20:38] <hparker> ;)
[10:21:17] <n00tz> XBMC needs to figure out a way so I can watch Netflix on my old XBOX
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[10:21:27] <n00tz> I don't feel like buying a 360
[10:21:32] <hparker> :P
[10:21:33] <n00tz> or that Vudu
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[10:21:48] <hparker> Hulu?
[10:22:01] <n00tz> do they have a hulu plugin for it?
[10:22:12] <hparker> No clue, haven't got that far
[10:22:20] <hparker> Wait, it may be done! :P
[10:22:34] <n00tz> last I updated the youtube plugin was off and on...
[10:22:50] <n00tz> so if they've got hulu working, they've got their priorities straight ;)
[10:23:54] <hparker> I thought maybe you typoed it, never heard of Vudu
[10:26:04] <hparker> Well, it at least runs
[10:27:19] <n00tz> Vudu (IIRC) is Netflix's set top embedded box that allows the instant queue to be watched on your tv
[10:27:52] <hparker> ahhh
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[10:30:29] <n00tz> well, thanks for the talk.. I'm gonna go cash in on my half day now ^_^
[10:31:01] <hparker> have fun
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[10:40:30] <stockholm> i have messages sitting in the mailqueue and postfix does not seem to do anything.
[10:40:37] <stockholm> it does not even complain in the logs
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[10:41:00] <stockholm> it should be a sattelite system sending to a smarthost
[10:41:06] <stockholm> but no sending happens
[10:41:29] <joelwrk> hi, I've got an issue, I cant seem to send my to my mail server unless I send it directly to the server, ie, if I send the mail via a different server which then relays it on, i never see the mail
[10:41:44] <joelwrk> as if it rejects mails that have been relaeyd to it, rather than sent directly?
[10:41:46] <joelwrk> any ideas?
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[10:45:30] <joelwrk> if it accepts it directly, I really cant thing out why it won't accept it from a relay server?
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[11:01:35] <hparker> joelwrk: Look at your logs, they know
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[11:03:40] <joelwrk> doh, logging isnt default
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[11:04:54] <joelwrk> hm actually it is setup
[11:05:07] <joelwrk> mail.*                                                  -/var/log/maillog   <- what does the '-' mean before the /var ?
[11:05:42] <shasta> man syslog.conf
[11:06:31] <joelwrk> ah got it, anyhow, nothing is appearing in the log :/
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[11:06:43] <joelwrk> well, there is, but nothing relating to rejected mail
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[11:16:10] <stockholm> i get this error when i try to switch from exim to postfix on one box: 2008-12-12T10:15:05.000+00:00 heather.lon.spotify.net postfix/sendmail[9440]: fatal: -B option needs 8BITMIME or 7BIT
[11:16:15] <stockholm> 2008-12-12T10:15:05.000+00:00 heather.lon.spotify.net postfix/sendmail[9440]: fatal: -B option needs 8BITMIME or 7BIT
[11:17:01] <stockholm> this is a sendmail option that postfix' sendmail wrapper does not support?
[11:17:09] <stockholm> how do i fix this in the sending app?
[11:17:32] <shasta> well, use -B 8BITMIME or -B 7BIT :)
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[11:31:02] <oekotaco> mh. as i can see it is not possebil to use multiple realms with only one smtpd
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[12:02:42] <joelwrk> found the error
[12:03:03] <joelwrk> it was dns issues, the mail server I was using was using 2 day old dns records, since changing to another outgoing server, it works
[12:03:13] <joelwrk> even though the ttl is way less than that ;/
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[12:06:16] <pumbac> !cidr_table
[12:06:16] <knoba> pumbac: Error: "cidr_table" is not a valid command.
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[12:38:32] <randra> X-Greylist: delayed 14961 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at mail.domain.com.br; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:21:04 BRST, why suck big delay ? Thanks mans
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[12:57:21] <jacekowski> hi
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[13:29:14] <Zepsweden> hey there anyone here wanna help me out ?
[13:29:29] <Zepsweden> i got these problems with virtual mail :(
[13:31:14] <f3ew> Zepsweden, we can only help you if you ask the specifics :)
[13:31:30] <Zepsweden> maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf(0,100): info at dreamboxx dot nu = zep at dreamboxx dot nu
[13:31:43] <Zepsweden> 15C8834E62F: to=<info at dreamboxx dot nu>, relay=virtual, delay=1, status=bounced (unknown user: "info at dreamboxx dot nu")
[13:32:14] <Zepsweden> The virtual alias map finds the mapping, but it tries to deliver the originating virtual account (which does not exist)
[13:33:11] <Zepsweden> all normal delivery to all virtual accounts works, so it's just virtual aliases which is broken somehow
[13:33:41] <f3ew> postconf virtual_alias_maps
[13:33:46] <randra> X-Greylist: delayed 14961 seconds by postgrey-1.31 at mail.domain.com.br; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:21:04 BRST, why suck big delay ? Thanks mans
[13:33:47] <f3ew> !debug
[13:33:47] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[13:34:09] <f3ew> randra, that depends on the postgrey config at  mail.domain.com.br
[13:34:10] <Zepsweden> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
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[13:35:00] <Zepsweden> i have been googling for 5 hours now, and i am out of ideas..even recreated a new sql structure..and still same problems
[13:35:05] <f3ew> postmap -q info at dreamboxx dot nu  mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
[13:35:33] <Zepsweden> root@bbg:/etc/postfix# postmap -q info at dreamboxx dot nu mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
[13:35:43] <Zepsweden> zep at dreamboxx dot nu
[13:35:46] <Zepsweden> so it works :)
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[13:36:30] <Zepsweden> but somehow the server still tries to deliver the mail to info at dreamboxx dot nu
[13:36:42] <Zepsweden> and it is being bounced :(
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[13:38:20] <f3ew> postmap -q zep at dreamboxx dot nu mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
[13:38:29] * f3ew still wants the output of !debug
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[13:38:54] <Zepsweden> f3ew : It returns nothing
[13:39:06] <Zepsweden> do i have to do zep at dreamboxx dot nu -> zep at dreamboxx dot nu mapping ?
[13:39:07] <f3ew> Hmmm
[13:39:09] <Zepsweden> !debug
[13:39:10] <knoba> Zepsweden: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[13:39:11] <f3ew> no
[13:39:34] <Zepsweden> i will fix debug for ya
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[13:44:36] <echinos> is there an infobot in here?
[13:44:37] <f3ew> Um, blackholes.easynet.nl diede a few years ago
[13:44:40] <echinos> !help
[13:44:41] <knoba> echinos: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[13:44:41] <f3ew> !bot
[13:44:42] <knoba> f3ew: "bot" : The bot 'knoba' resides here to learn and tell about factoids. See http://workaround.org/f=postfix for the list of currently supported factoids.
[13:44:50] <echinos> sweet
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[13:45:20] <echinos> Looking for info on setting up TLS - my google-fu is failing me
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[13:48:54] <echinos> any reccomendations on whether to use TLS or SASL?
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[13:49:07] <f3ew> echinos, two different things
[13:49:08] <f3ew> !tls
[13:49:09] <knoba> f3ew: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[13:49:15] <f3ew> !tls_readme
[13:49:15] <knoba> f3ew: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[13:49:18] <f3ew> !sasl
[13:49:19] <knoba> f3ew: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[13:49:42] <echinos> well, I've got dovecot set up, I can download OK, but I need something to encrypt outgoing mail
[13:49:51] <Zepsweden> f3ew : u got all u need now in priv
[13:49:57] <Zepsweden> thanks for ya help!
[13:51:53] <Roobarb> echelog: thats
[13:51:57] <echinos> ok, so TLS is what I should be using then
[13:52:03] <Roobarb> echinos: thats a client issue usually
[13:52:31] <Roobarb> echinos: TLS is transport-layer encryption, not message encryption (assuming that matters
[13:52:38] <echinos> Well, I haven't really done anything to set it up, I'd like to make sure postfix is conf'd properly
[13:53:11] <Roobarb> "configured correctly" means different things
[13:53:39] <echinos> hm
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[13:53:59] <Zepsweden> thanks f3ew
[13:54:08] <Roobarb> If the issue is "I need encryption between Mail Client and Mail Server" then you need TLS, if the issue is "I need to encrypt all my email" then you need PGP or similar on the Mail Client
[13:54:08] <echinos> well, I guess the main thing is that there is a secure login, I'm not so much worried about encrytpion of the messages
[13:54:08] <Zepsweden> this has puzzled me for the last month lol :)
[13:54:10] <f3ew> Can you restart Postfix?
[13:54:17] <Zepsweden> yes i restart it now
[13:54:19] <f3ew> postfix stop && postfix start
[13:54:23] <f3ew> then test?
[13:54:31] <Zepsweden> typ testing
[13:54:35] <echinos> Roobarb: so, tls is for encrypting the actual transmission, and SALS is for controlling access?
[13:54:41] <Roobarb> echinos: yes
[13:54:43] <echinos> er, SASL
[13:54:58] <Roobarb> echinos: You'd generlly use both so your SASL exchange is secure
[13:55:18] <echinos> Ok, so first, do I need TLS if my server's just going to be sending the emails cleartext like most do to deliver the messages?
[13:55:28] <Zepsweden> f3ew : Still same problem
[13:55:39] <echinos> Roobarb: Ah, ok, so SASL isn't encrypted on it's own?
[13:55:43] <Roobarb> no
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[13:55:52] <Roobarb> its a rudimentary hash
[13:55:55] <echinos> ok. SO I need both.
[13:56:09] <echinos> No prob, at least I've got that straightened out
[13:56:30] <echinos> Which or both of tls/sasl are normally working out-of-the-box on postfix?
[13:56:42] <Roobarb> neiter ;)
[13:56:52] <Roobarb> you have to enable them
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[13:56:54] <echinos> allrighty then
[13:56:58] <Zepsweden> f3ew : I guess something is terrible wrong :)
[13:57:07] <echinos> Ok, I'll go googling some more
[13:57:18] <Roobarb> echinos: My personal preference is to use dovecot's SASL mechanism
[13:57:27] <echinos> I have dovecot for IMAP
[13:57:35] <echinos> I'll go check it out
[13:57:35] <Roobarb> and then enable TLS on the submission port
[13:57:57] <f3ew> Zepsweden, I don't see any reason for it not to work
[13:58:07] <echinos> sounds good - the bot factoids will point the way, I assume
[13:58:11] <echinos> Roobarb: thx a bunch
[13:58:17] <f3ew> I recommend escalating the issue to the mailing list
[13:58:21] <f3ew> echinos yes
[13:58:49] <f3ew> Send in the non-verbose output from the maillog, postconf -n and postmap -q results
[13:58:52] <Zepsweden> f3ew : It seams that it find the address, but somehow does not take the converted email address and delivers to it
[13:59:09] <f3ew> Zepsweden yes
[13:59:09] <Zepsweden> ok w8 f3ew..
[13:59:31] <f3ew> Wietse reads the list, so you should get an answer
[13:59:46] <Zepsweden> sounds good :)
[13:59:59] <Roobarb> echinos: This is how I enable dovecot/postfix sasl: http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL
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[14:01:50] <Roobarb> echinos: TLS is just a matter of enabling it with smtpd_use_tls, and configuring the various smtpd_tls_ parameters
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[14:06:32] <echinos> Roobarb: thx
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[14:17:22] <Zepsweden> f3ew : Fixed the problem.. it was a pre-cleanup routine to amavis which was not working :) thanks
[14:17:49] <f3ew> ah
[14:18:10] <Zepsweden> ehehe been struggling for a month..hehe and yet so simple :)
[14:22:42] <Zepsweden> thanks!
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[15:39:39] <kombi> to filter out short users I did /^.{,3} at domain\ dot com/     devnull
[15:39:39] <kombi> , mapping devnull to /dev/null in aliases. Still mail for these users triggers amavis. Is there a way around that?
[15:40:19] <Dominian> amavis takes perl syntax..
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[15:40:27] <Dominian> just do something in /etc/amavisd.conf..
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[15:41:36] <Dominian>  @bypass_virus_checks_maps, @bypass_spam_checks_maps,
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[15:47:42] <kombi> Dominian: bypass_virus_checks_re I found too.. thanks!
[15:49:22] <Dominian> no problem
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[15:49:46] <rob0> Why this "devnull" thing? Why not just reject? And what good is it to block short usernames?
[15:51:08] <rob0> I have a "rob@" address. I know several people who use 2- and 3-character usernames.
[15:52:08] <rob0> Short users got ... no reason .... short users got ... no reason ... short users got ... no reason to mail
[15:53:03] <echinos> Roobarb: thx a bunch, got it going
[15:53:12] <Roobarb> echinos: good stuff
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[15:59:22] <kombi> why not reject, good one rob0...
[16:00:47] <kombi> alas, what's the syntax in virtuser table to reject?
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[16:05:42] <rob0> virtuser? That's not a Postfix term, so I don't know (would guess you mean one of virtual_*_maps, and those do not reject). Also, I still question the goal of filtering out "short users". Ill-considered spam fighting is as bad as spam itself.
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[16:08:16] <rob0> are these short users in YOUR domain, or mailing you from outside?
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[16:42:50] <kombi> rob0: it's a fair point, here it is a very special case though, would not do this in general
[16:43:03] <leeq> Ok, now I broke everything...
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[16:43:25] <kombi> leeq: be my guest..;)
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[16:44:06] <kombi> now, REJECT sends something back, what rule does simply nothing?
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[16:45:06] <kombi> IGNORE?
[16:46:07] <Lenhix> leeq: restore a backup (hopefully you have one :P)
[16:46:18] <rob0> Reject sends only a rejection in SMTP. It happens before DATA is accepted. The bounce if any is the responsibility of the connecting MTA.
[16:46:34] <rob0> !access
[16:46:35] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[16:46:44] <rob0> see also access.5.html
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[16:50:48] <kombi> thanks rob0!
[16:52:53] <leeq> ok, I think I made myself some permission problems...
[16:53:19] <rob0> you remember what you did?
[16:53:28] <leeq> sort of
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[16:53:35] <leeq> is there any easy way to list users?
[16:53:43] <leeq> linux users
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[16:55:33] <rob0> Maybe your OS has something? Or just see /etc/passwd
[16:55:55] <leeq> ok, how do I see who owns a directory?
[16:56:10] <Lenhix> ls ?
[16:56:18] <Lenhix> ls -l
[16:57:05] <Lenhix> ls -ld <dirname> to get just that dir and not all the current directory contents
[16:57:09] <leeq> crap... not a permission problem
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[16:58:14] <rob0> "man postfix" has some ideas for you
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[17:01:45] <leeq> neat!
[17:02:23] <leeq> whether or not I find something to help in here, I am so noob I didn't know about "man"
[17:02:46] <rob0> oh my ...
[17:03:19] <Dominian> uhh...
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[17:03:43] <rob0> Mail admin is challenging even for experienced admins. Not trying to discourage you, because I started the same way, but you have a LOT of learning ahead.
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[17:04:16] <leeq> that's what makes it interesting... if this were easy I probably would have given up a long time ago :-P
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[17:05:48] <rob0> One thing that will benefit a lot in the long run is basic Unix user skills, learn the commands.
[17:05:48] <kombi> here's a stupid question: can one reject everything that does not go to a valid local user so amavis isn't triggered each time?
[17:06:22] <rob0> kombi, how was said mail received?
[17:07:01] <kombi> rob0: from other mta
[17:08:06] <rob0> by default that is what happens (reject invalid addresses.)
[17:08:17] <rob0> !basic
[17:08:18] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:08:30] <rob0> !debug
[17:08:31] <knoba> rob0: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[17:09:52] <leeq> ok, so what I did was turn of courier and attempt to set up dovecot... in the process of setting dovecot up I found something that made me think it was the solution to the problem I was having yesterday...
[17:09:59] <kombi> rob0: http://pastebin.se/196623 I thought I'd gotten past the basics..
[17:10:21] <leeq> so i turned dovecot back off, commented out the changes I made to postfix while installing dovecot, and turned courier back on
[17:11:13] <leeq> and I there must be something I did during the dovecot setup that changed things for postfix/courier (a step which I dont remember doing) and now I can't do anything with that either
[17:11:42] <leeq> because now I am getting a "maildir access problem" error
[17:12:11] <rob0> k, what am I supposed to see there?
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[17:14:38] <kombi> rob0: I thought that was what you were hinting me to with !debug.. sorry
[17:15:17] <rob0> well, config is one thing, but that does nothing to show what the problem is
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[17:17:42] <kombi> rob0: might not be so much of a problem after all, I just saw that this box has a couple of catch-all domains that forward everything to an ms exchange server connected via dyndns. No wonder amavis is aching under all those random users...
[17:18:34] <kombi> cannot filter those either since users are configured on that exchange machine (sic!)
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[17:25:21] <leeq> alright, question time... This morning my postfix was working properly and gave this message in logs: to=<nancy at bellviewwinery dot com>, relay=virtual, delay=0.67, delays=0.65/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[17:25:36] <leeq> now I made changes and tried to go back and I get this message:
[17:25:45] <leeq> to=<nancy at bellviewwinery dot com>, relay=virtual, delay=2314, delays=2314/0.07/0/0.05, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: create maildir file /var/spool/mail/virtual/nancy_winery/tmp/1229098866.P26244.bellviewserv: Permission denied)
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[17:26:09] <leeq> and I can't figure out what I didn't change back to make that work
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[17:27:27] <Steve[cug]> morning everyone
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[17:28:45] <leeq> Hi Steve
[17:29:32] <Steve[cug]> I have a question as to the best way to impliment a solution to this problem...  I have a postfix server that is currently archiving all mail into a single mailspool, and then a maintinence script comes along every morning and archives that mailspool into a /YEAR/MONTH/archive-YEARMONTHDAY.mbox.gz file.
[17:29:46] <Steve[cug]> I was just told that they no longer want it working like this
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[17:30:19] <mducharme-work> gu akk
[17:30:22] <Steve[cug]> and instead, they want to store each individual email as a sequentially numbered file, and put in folders by day
[17:30:25] <mducharme-work> aurgh,
[17:30:26] <mducharme-work> hi all
[17:30:39] <Steve[cug]> *sequentially numbered files
[17:31:23] <mducharme-work> I'm having a problem with postfix.. well it's not realy a problem with postfix but I might be able to adjust postfix to work around it
[17:31:35] <Steve[cug]> any suggestions?  I can't find any documentation on getting procmail to create these directories and handle this.
[17:31:44] <leeq> I thinkI want to become pro with postfix jsut to take some of this load off of rob0 :-P
[17:32:01] <mducharme-work> I'm using postfix just as an incoming spam filter, before it goes to my corporate mail server
[17:32:47] <mducharme-work> sometimes I run out of smtp threads on my corporate mail server, and then postfix holds the email for like an hour or two before it retries
[17:33:41] <mducharme-work> I'd like to decrease and possibly randomize the retry interval because otherwise the emails all retry coming in at the same time again and don't make it in again
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[17:34:28] <tim-ct> hi all
[17:34:34] <leeq> hi tim
[17:35:07] <mducharme-work> otherwise I have to increase the number of smtp receive threads on my corporate mail server to something artificially high just to handle the high peak loads
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[17:35:46] <mducharme-work> or can I cut down on the number of send threads postfix uses perhaps?
[17:36:26] <mducharme-work> that would work too, if I could limit the number of emails postfix tries to send to my corporate server simultaneously
[17:36:38] <mducharme-work> is there any setting that would let me do that?
[17:36:50] <tim-ct> Is there any other program besides postfix admin to handle the virtual domains users and auto replies etc
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[17:45:15] <tomb0y> so i followed the debian-etch isp email server howto, everything works perfectly, just have one stupid quesion.  once i enabled the globalsieverc to filter spam to the spam folder, they are sent there, just how do u get that to work via outlook connecting via pop.   not a big thing just more curious, stupid outlook ;x
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[17:46:15] <tomb0y> only thing i can think of is the spam folder is outside the cur folder. but a symlink wasnt a quick fix ;/
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[17:56:05] <leeq> ok, why would it be refusing connection on port 143 now?
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[18:21:38] <tim-ct> Is there any other program besides postfix admin to handle the virtual domains users and auto replies etc
[18:22:48] <jangell> tim-ct: I'm in the process of rolling my own right now..if that helps :) lol
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[18:22:55] <Mark_knopfler> Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=gmail.com type=MX: Host not found, try again
[18:23:02] <Mark_knopfler> what does that means ?
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[18:23:38] <jangell> Mark_knopfler: is DNS setup properly?
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[18:24:13] <Mark_knopfler> it should be
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[18:24:22] <Mark_knopfler> tell me what to verify
[18:25:24] <jangell> try this
[18:25:34] <jangell> dig mx gmail.com
[18:25:50] <jangell> you should get a bunch of results in the answer section
[18:26:14] <Mark_knopfler> yeah
[18:26:16] <Mark_knopfler> working
[18:26:27] <jangell> Mark_knopfler: in that case...I have no idea
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[18:28:45] <Mark_knopfler> okay
[18:28:53] <Mark_knopfler> thank u anyway
[18:29:04] <jangell> Mark_knopfler: someone smarter than me might have an idea if you wait patiently.
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[18:30:34] <jangell> It seems to me that to Postfix itself there is no difference between an "alias" or a "forward" ..am I nuts or is this the case?
[18:33:39] <leeq> jangell: I am ver new, to all this, but I think that is correct
[18:34:03] <jangell> LeeQ: So you accomplish "forwarding" with an alias correct?
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[18:35:48] <leeq> yeah
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[18:49:36] <mrichman_> Anyone have an example of a tls_policy file? I need to set smtpd_tls_policy_maps
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[18:51:07] <mrichman_> is there even a TLS policy map for the server, not just the client?
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[19:23:41] <mrichman_> Anyone around?
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[19:54:12] <dp> is there a way to make postfix not log every connect/disconnect?
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[19:55:58] <cpm> why?
[19:56:03] <cpm> yeah, stop logging mail
[19:56:09] <cpm> not a very good idea.
[19:56:57] <dp> nm
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[20:43:32] <echinos> Roobarb: you around?
[20:43:58] <echinos> After enabling dovecot SASL, all my mail got rejected
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[20:44:57] <echinos> http://pastebin.com/d2e22b8ad
[20:45:41] <echinos> I think my config is written wrong or something
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[20:50:14] <echinos> here is with part of my main.cf : http://pastebin.com/m6569daf7
[20:50:49] <echinos> It looks like it is lumping my SASL options in with the option before it, which is home_mailbox=Maildir/
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[22:03:40] <jaclinuxhelp> hi all!!! i have a doubt. in my master.cf (http://fpaste.org/paste/356), i use spamassassin to filter spam, as can be seen at bottom of the file.     the thing is i want to know if command sendmail.postfix respects on that context the smtp_bind_address parameter ?
[22:04:10] <jaclinuxhelp> i think it is not respecting the parameter, cause mail gets out on another address, not the one i ve choosen
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[22:05:05] <jaclinuxhelp> it is going out thorugh my default gw, not the ip i ve choosen
[22:05:14] <jaclinuxhelp> it is like that? or am i wrong ?
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[22:13:25] <jangell> I'm trying to figure out how to accomplish a forward in postfix--forward one account to anohter local one and also how to forward one account to a domain elsewhere on the internet..any chance someone could tell me to RTFM a certain piece of the manual?  (which part)..(I'm using virtual domains)
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[22:16:38] <Dominian> !alias
[22:16:39] <knoba> Dominian: "alias" : ITYM !alias_maps
[22:16:42] <Dominian> !alias_maps
[22:16:43] <knoba> Dominian: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
[22:17:09] <jangell> Dominian: So there is no difference in Postfix between a "forward" and an "alias" ?
[22:18:02] <Dominian> not that tI'm aware of.. if its a local user they can always use .forward files
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[22:21:07] <jaclinuxhelp> somebody has read my question ?
[22:21:50] <jaclinuxhelp> sendmail.postfix command, respects the main.cf settings ? (ie. smtp_bind_address for example?)
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[22:34:01] <LeeQ> ok, so I completely purged courier and have gone to dovecot... am now trying to get dovecot sasl working
[22:34:29] <LeeQ> followed the instructions in the dovecot wiki
[22:34:47] <LeeQ> and I think I am having a problem with the line: smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
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[22:38:02] <jangell> lmfao..I love it:  221 2.7.0 Error: I can break rules, too. Goodbye.
[22:38:15] <LeeQ> haha, yeah I got that earlier... I loled
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[22:44:30] <LeeQ> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:45:11] <LeeQ> Got it all working... only took 2 full days!
[22:45:21] <LeeQ> Thank you for the help (read moral support)
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[23:00:00] <SARGuy> can I get some room recommendations on the top 5 blacklists everyone is using.
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