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[00:08:59] <Samus_Aran> what command do I use to send mail out early which is in the queue ?
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[00:11:00] <Samus_Aran> it cleared itself, guess I don't need to know now
[00:11:02] <shawnh> man postfix.  search for flush.
[00:11:19] <jra> man postsuper
[00:12:02] <Samus_Aran> 'postfix flush' seems to do it, but I don't have anything to test with anymore.  thank you
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[00:14:51] <rob0> shawnh: sender/recipient_bcc_maps ?
[00:15:11] <shawnh> that may be what i'm looking for
[00:15:13] <shawnh> hmm
[00:15:21] <jimpop> Samus_Aran: postqueue -f
[00:15:37] <rob0> header_checks is surely not the right approach, because you cannot safely assume that sender & recipient will be in the headers.
[00:15:54] <shawnh> rob0: indeed.  you're a hero.
[00:17:22] <rob0> Don't tell anyone, it will spoil my image!
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[00:55:22] <Samus_Aran> good day allveryone
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[01:19:08] <assignme> has anyone here configured postfix via webmin?
[01:22:04] <sysdef> waaah!
[01:26:28] <growltiger> i have
[01:26:36] <growltiger> webmin makes it super easy
[01:27:01] <growltiger> as if it werent already easy enough
[01:28:48] <assignme> growltiger: i have a problem you might be able to help me with
[01:28:59] <assignme> growltiger: have you tried to create multiple users?
[01:29:38] <growltiger> multiple webmin users?
[01:29:57] <assignme> no, email users via postfix
[01:30:24] <growltiger> just add a user under system>users and groups
[01:30:31] <growltiger> they automatically get mail
[01:31:15] <assignme> heres the problem. i have wordpress and media wiki installed. and 2 domains on the same machine. I'd like to create a user for 1 domain and another for the 2nd. Then have wordpress/mediawiki send mail from the proper user+domain instead of user1 at domain1 dot com (this is what happened with exim :()
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[01:31:37] <growltiger> you are going to need virtual then
[01:31:50] <growltiger> actually, you wont
[01:31:54] <assignme> actually i havent gotten postfix working with gmail/google app.  have you done anything i mention (ps i am talking cause i need my machine to remoot)
[01:31:54] <growltiger> just make 2 users
[01:31:58] <assignme> ok
[01:32:30] <growltiger> they both will be able to get mail at user1@domain1 user1@domain2, etc
[01:32:59] <assignme> ok cool, how do i make 2users. i am in postfix section right now. i see "User Mailboxes "
[01:33:29] <growltiger> add system users
[01:33:32] <assignme> the options are here -> http://rafb.net/p/TWujHi99.html
[01:33:33] <assignme> ok
[01:33:38] <growltiger> in system>users and groups
[01:33:56] <assignme> i am in there now
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[01:35:00] <assignme> i hit Create User then filled in username with test1
[01:35:15] <assignme> (is that all i need to fill in?)
[01:35:26] <growltiger> they would need a password
[01:36:18] <assignme> done, i created. now what?
[01:36:51] <growltiger> i dont know
[01:38:43] <assignme> what do i do with the 2 users to have postfix send with 2 different emails?
[01:39:50] <growltiger> both users are interchangeable with all domains you host
[01:40:12] <growltiger> if you only want user1 to be able to use only domain1, then you have to setup virtual
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[01:45:43] <assignme> well i dont care how many users or what they are allowed. i want postfix to be able to look at the email address the php app is trying to sent from and find the password to loginto the smtp server
[01:46:15] <assignme> maybe i am confused about somethinhg. how does php mail send from multiple users? it can do that or do i need to do something in apache?
[01:46:40] <growltiger> php mail will send from apacheuser@machinehostname
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[01:47:35] <growltiger> you need to read up on the mail() function
[01:47:43] <growltiger> but, that is beyond the scope of this document
[01:47:46] <assignme> ah. ok so how do i figure out what user to send from? app 1 says use service and app 2 says testuser
[01:47:59] <assignme> which mail? php mail, apache or sendmail?
[01:50:00] <growltiger> you probably want to read up on the mail() function, you will be able to fill out the from and to with variables
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[02:15:04] <MatBoy> I still have found no solution to calculate the bandwidth per domain, is there one ?
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[02:40:29] <randra> any knows as i can do different anti-virus policies for users in same domain? example: user1 at domain dot com can receive .mp3 but user at domain dot com cant, i`m using amavis
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[02:44:02] <sahil> randra: yes, but that's not a postfix question, it's an amavisd-new question.
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[02:47:08] <eshear> I want to set up postfix as a smarthost. I added my ip range 199.XXX.XXX.XXX/NN to the mynetworks variable in main.cf, but I can't send mail from the network still
[02:47:27] <eshear> when I try to telnet to port 25 on the host by ip, I get "Connection closed by foreign host." after a second or two
[02:47:43] <eshear> any ideas what would cause it not to work?
[02:47:47] <eshear> telnet localhost 25 works
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[02:55:57] <eshear> :-(
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[03:15:03] <Dominian> !relay_domains
[03:15:04] <knoba> Dominian: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[03:15:15] <Dominian> damn it.. that isn't it
[03:15:18] <Dominian> !mynetworks
[03:15:20] <knoba> Dominian: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
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[03:39:05] <eshear> yeah
[03:39:08] <eshear> i set mynetworks
[03:39:28] <eshear> it's mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8 199.XXX.XXX.XXX/NN
[03:39:35] <eshear> and the ip address is definitely in the range
[03:39:55] <eshear> weirdly if I reverse the order of the two in mynetworks, it breaks localhost too
[03:40:52] <growltiger> you forgot a ,
[03:41:11] <growltiger>  mynetworks = 127.0.0.1/8, 199.XXX.XXX.XXX/NN
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[03:44:22] <eshear> ah, good point
[03:44:26] <eshear> changed...
[03:44:31] <eshear> no difference, same outcome
[03:45:36] <growltiger> you have to stop and start postfix
[03:45:48] <eshear> yeah i noticed that before, testing, actually
[03:45:56] <eshear> and i've been using restart to effect this rather than reload
[03:47:58] <eshear> ah, I set mynetworks_style = class and commented out mynetworks
[03:48:01] <eshear> and that worked
[03:48:10] <eshear> ...unless I exposed myself to the entire internet
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[03:52:53] <synx> put some clothes on eshear
[03:53:02] <eshear> hehe, looks like I set it right
[03:53:26] <eshear> it works from the other computers in the same /21 but not from anywhere else
[03:53:44] <eshear> 554 Relay access denied :)
[03:54:01] <eshear> should probably be firewalled too
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[03:54:15] <eshear> since I'm not receiving mail here, but that's ok
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[04:01:57] <rob0> 127.0.0.1/8 is invalid CIDR syntax, as your logs have probably noted.
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[04:30:57] <lunaphyte> a severed head, a tiger, and a maverick walked into a #postfix channel.
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[04:35:20] <sahil> lol
[04:35:27] <sahil> hilarity.  it does abound.
[04:36:13] <lunaphyte> indeed, perhaps it does abound, but only when lunaphyte's not around.
[04:37:08] <sahil> fag.
[04:40:19] <lunaphyte> yikes.
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[04:40:31] <sahil> jeeebles!
[04:40:36] <sahil> jee golly!
[04:40:38] <Dominian>  /21?
[04:40:40] <Dominian> wtf
[04:40:50] <sahil> Dominian: it's the CIDR of hax0rs.
[04:41:06] <Dominian> uh huh
[04:41:12] <Dominian> ignorant SOBs
[04:41:14] <Dominian> ;)
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[04:49:13] <Kizuka> If i've defined local_recipient_maps with "$alias_maps", which includes the usual things like abuse: <userA>, root: <userA> etc why would e-mail for root at domain dot com be getting forwarded instead of delivered via local to userA's mailbox? I have one account defined on the mail server itself (userA), with everything else being forwarded onto an internal mail server. This one account should be getting all the root@, abuse@, postmaster@ aliases, but instead th
[04:51:07] <Kizuka> I'm not entirely sure I understand how aliases are expanded and matched to local users and then subsequently matched against the transport mapping.
[04:51:33] <Kizuka> Which doesn't help :)
[04:53:11] <Kizuka> I could just stick root, abuse, postmaster, www, dns, dumper, operator, manager etc all in local recipients and/or transport...but that seems like a duplication of config...
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[04:57:36] <Kizuka> If an e-mail is accepted for root at domain dot com, the aliases file maps root to userA, userA is defined as local in the transport table, and local_recipients includes $alias_maps, but the e-mail is still forwarded on because root@ is not explicitly specified in transport, but userA is. So transport mapping trumps alias mapping?
[04:57:53] <Kizuka> Sorry, i'm thinking out loud here and hoping someone will spot my error :(
[04:58:06] <sahil> Kizuka: can we see postconf -n and the contents of the maps referenced therein?
[04:58:17] <Kizuka> sahil: sure, one sec
[05:01:12] <sahil> Kizuka: trying to follow your 'out loud' thoughts, but if root is aliased to userA, and there is a transport entry that points mail destined for userA to another nexthop, then that does override (or trump) the local transport/delivery.
[05:02:02] <Kizuka> yeah, that's the conclusion i'm slowing coming to
[05:02:17] <Kizuka> sahil: http://pastebin.com/m31d320cf
[05:02:51] <Kizuka> sahil: userA, by definition in transport, is local
[05:03:08] <Kizuka> everything else in domain.com is forwarded to an internal mail server
[05:04:37] <Kizuka> I can "fix" this by duplicating all of the entries in aliases into transport, but that just seems like an ugly hack
[05:05:16] <sahil> Kizuka: for kicks, try local: instead of local as the transport.
[05:05:48] <Kizuka> sahil: e-mail destined for userA at domain dot com goes get delivered locally, that works ok.
[05:06:00] <Kizuka> *does
[05:06:00] <sahil> perhaps even ":" without the preceding "local" would suffice; but give the first one a shot first.
[05:06:11] <Kizuka> it's e-mail destined for anything in aliases that isn't being retained locally
[05:06:15] <sahil> ah, only when addressed to *root* does it not obey the transport mapping.
[05:06:23] <Kizuka> yeah, root, abuse, postmaster, manager etc
[05:06:54] <Kizuka> despite the aliases entry, which I thought maps to userA, which exists locally...but they're not being stored locally, they're being forwarded on.
[05:11:28] <Kizuka> it's like the aliases get discarded somewhere along the line...
[05:11:37] <sahil> hmm.
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[05:12:16] <Kizuka> "yes, i'll accept e-mail for abuse@, which is really userA", <process e-mail>, "abuse@ ? never heard of him, forward!"
[05:13:14] <Kizuka> the transport map is trumping aliases, I need to force the transport map to consider aliases...
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[05:17:50] <sahil> Kizuka: because trivial-rewrite handles routing controls and the transport_maps you define take precedence.
[05:21:48] <sahil> Kizuka: sorry, perhaps something along these files for you: http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#some_local
[05:22:05] <sahil> Kizuka: also you have a list of local recipients but what about a valid list of relay recipients?
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[05:24:18] <Kizuka> sahil: why would I need to define relay recipients? as it stands, the configuration works in so much as e-mail is being accepted only for localusers and aliases, the delivery is 95% correct, it's just the aliases are being forwarded to the internal host instead of retained locally.
[05:24:34] <sahil> Kizuka: part of your problem, i think, is also the setting of myorigin = $mydomain.
[05:24:49] <Kizuka> sahil: you think? what should it be?
[05:24:54] <sahil> Kizuka: $myhostname
[05:25:04] <Kizuka> hmmm, ok, i'll give it a try.
[05:25:16] <sahil> let root@ expand to $myhostname, and make a transportmap for myhostname to be local
[05:25:28] <sahil> that might work, though i am too tired to wrap my head around this right now...
[05:25:31] <sahil> best of luck to you!
[05:27:45] <Kizuka> thanks sahil :)
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[08:47:43] <robert83a5> hello, I'm using the following settings for smtp on my mail server http://www.pastebin.ca/1280517 , the problem is I currently have 3 workers worldwide and they are unable to send mail because those ISP's are spamsources, my question is can I somehow create a smtp rule that would allow specificaly my clients ?
[08:48:36] <robert83a5> can I do something like smtp_recipient_restrictions = permit specified hostname ? (is this possible?)
[08:48:54] <sysmonk> yes you can, but i want to look at your config first
[08:49:00] <sysmonk> pastebin.ca doesn't load for me;/
[08:49:24] <robert83a5> sorry , I'll paste somewhere else
[08:49:45] <sysmonk> k
[08:49:55] <robert83a5> http://pastebin.com/m7f461158
[08:50:16] <sysmonk> uf
[08:50:19] <robert83a5> I need to use those smtp blacklists cause I get like 200 messages/min from spam sources...
[08:50:23] <sysmonk> pastebin postconf -n
[08:51:14] <robert83a5> here it is http://pastebin.com/m71aa331 , thought the smtp part would be enough
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[08:51:58] <sysmonk> um, first of all
[08:52:04] <sysmonk> your clients send via your server?
[08:52:17] <sysmonk> do they get rejected because of rbl's or because of relay access denied?
[08:52:44] <robert83a5> beacuse rbl
[08:52:59] <robert83a5> I do authenticate...my clients are required to authenticate when sending mail
[08:53:44] <robert83a5> I would like to do the following if possible, permit clients where hostname maches
[08:53:48] <robert83a5> how do I do that?
[08:53:49] <sysmonk> then they would be accepted
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[08:53:58] <sysmonk> because of permit_sasl_authenticated
[08:54:19] <robert83a5> sysmonk, they are not accepted because in log file I see client rejected noqueue because of zen.spamhaus.org
[08:54:30] <robert83a5> maybe my order is incorrect? are these lines read line by line?
[08:54:32] <sysmonk> robert83a5: then they're not using sasl
[08:54:38] <sysmonk> do you see that they are using sasl?
[08:54:47] <sysmonk> robert83a5: order is correct, really, it should work
[08:54:55] <sysmonk> oh my
[08:54:58] <sysmonk> you don't even have sasl enabled!
[08:55:05] <sysmonk> #
[08:55:05] <sysmonk> smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no
[08:55:26] <robert83a5> in order to enable sasl what do I need to chagne?
[08:55:40] <sysmonk> !sasl
[08:55:41] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[08:55:43] <sysmonk> robert83a5: ^^
[08:55:56] <sysmonk> sasl isn't simple, but it's worth it
[08:58:49] <robert83a5> wait a minute
[08:59:27] <robert83a5> is this what is set in outlook express as Outgoing server (smtp) This server requires an encripted connection (SSL) ?
[09:00:08] <robert83a5> because if it's SSL than I will just reenable it, it was enabled before, but had some problems with it...
[09:00:20] <sysmonk> no, SSL != SASL
[09:00:24] <sysmonk> SSL is encryption
[09:00:26] <sysmonk> SASL is authorization
[09:00:40] <robert83a5> oh
[09:00:42] <sysmonk> that is, your clients tell their user and password to postfix and postfix tries to authorize them
[09:00:51] <sysmonk> and if they are authorized - it accepts the emails they want to send
[09:01:01] <sysmonk> and doesn't look if they are black listed or not
[09:01:08] <sysmonk> (atleast in the order you currently have)
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[09:02:22] <robert83a5> sysmonk : for now since I'm in big trouble, is there a easire way to solve this temporarely? like permit this_hostname office-laptop ?
[09:02:40] <robert83a5> I know the hostnames that try to send these e-mails and fail cause of blacklist rules
[09:03:23] <harlan> hey sysmonk
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[09:08:11] <robert83a5> sysmonk : I have a strange thing here smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes , smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no , what is this?
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[09:16:05] <sysmonk> robert83a5: yes, check_client_access
[09:16:33] <sysmonk> robert83a5: oh, sorry, i haven't noticed that that was smtp_sasl_*
[09:16:39] <sysmonk> smtpd_sasl_ is the thing you want
[09:16:53] <sysmonk> smtp_sasl is for smtp client auth (that is - postfix authenticates to somebody)
[09:16:55] <sysmonk> harlan: hey
[09:17:09] <sysmonk> harlan: i have posted the notes a few days ago
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[09:24:41] <robert83a5> sysmonk : what I don't understand right now, I that I've got this smtp authentication enabled, so maybe my rules are incorrect? can you please help?
[09:24:59] <sysmonk> RULES ARE CORRECT
[09:25:01] <robert83a5> sysmonk : when sending mail all clients need to authenticate, if client does not authenticate the mail is rejected
[09:25:05] <sysmonk> i told you that a few times already
[09:25:13] <sysmonk> robert83a5: SHOW that to me
[09:25:20] <sysmonk> show me that a client authenticates but still is rejected
[09:25:30] <sysmonk> provide logs of that
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[09:37:42] <robert83a5> sysmonk : ok it seems like I've got sasl, it was damaged during upgrades...I'm tracking back the howto I followed in part, and it has SASL.
[09:38:14] <robert83a5> I just corrected some problem, now I dod a testsaslauthd -u robert -r tpucompany.com -p xxxxxx and I get a 0: OK "Success."
[09:38:25] <robert83a5> so saslauthd is authenticating via ldap
[09:38:37] <sfreak> Hi! This might be a stupid question... what does postfix do with very old mail in the deferred queue?
[09:39:09] <sysmonk> sfreak: removes it
[09:39:53] <sfreak> sysmonk: and when?
[09:40:06] <sysmonk> sfreak: there are params bounce_queue_lifetime and maximal_queue_lifetime
[09:40:12] <sysmonk> (both are 5d)
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[09:40:19] <sysmonk> so, by default, it removes them after 5 days
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[09:40:37] <sysmonk> it will try to deliver those emails for 5 days, and if it faisl - removes them
[09:41:57] <sfreak> sysmonk: aah, that's exactly was I was looking for... thanks! so I guess I'll just sit back and wait till postfix takes out the trash...
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[09:56:20] <chadmaynard> 5 days!
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[10:06:22] <robert83a5> 80.93.236.111 , sasl_method=LOGIN , sasl_username=stanislav.jankovic at capriolobike dot com , this means that SASL is working ?
[10:07:29] <f3ew> yes
[10:08:29] <robert83a5> YEAH!, seems like during the upgrade, yum upgrade, saslauthd got damaged...
[10:09:06] <robert83a5> now sasl authenticated users will be able to send mail even if they are sending ffrom a blacklisted domain
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[10:24:25] <MatBoy> I have the idea that almost nobody is calculating traffic per vhost using postfix
[10:24:41] <Nevstah> hi guys, is it possible to delay outgoing mail so it isnt delivered immediately?
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[10:37:13] <Yancho_> hi. i am having a problem trying to email. I am trying to mail using mail() of PHP but am receiving nothing. this is my postconf -n : http://rafb.net/p/s4pyHJ99.html .. logs are all empty :S thanks
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[10:41:17] <Roobarb> Yancho_: crank up PHP's logging
[10:41:55] <Yancho_> there are no errors from PHP .. i guess it is sending to postfix and in postfix which is screwing :S
[10:42:04] <Roobarb> check your mail logs
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[10:43:08] <Yancho_> they are not updating .. thats the problem :( i didnt change anything .. but stopped working on dec 7 at 4.35 .. i just restarted postfix but the maillog did not update
[10:43:45] <f3ew> restart syslogd
[10:43:50] <Roobarb> things rarely "stop working" for no reason, expecially postfix
[10:43:57] <Yancho_> kk f3ew
[10:44:03] <Yancho_> ok now it did come up
[10:44:13] <Yancho_> Roobarb:  i just returned to the office from 6th
[10:44:48] <Yancho_> http://rafb.net/p/kULxZ473.html <- this is the log now
[10:46:31] <Roobarb> delivered to root
[10:46:38] <Yancho_> ok seems there is a problem with DNS then : Dec  9 10:47:01 localhost postfix/error[6666]: 069751828F20: to=<matthew.pulis at lga dot org.mt>, relay=none, delay=0.27, delays=0.22/0/0/0.05, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: host mail.lga.org.mt[212.56.143.28] refused to talk to me: 421 SMTP service not available, closing transmission channel)
[10:47:22] <Roobarb> do you run mail.lga.org.mt?
[10:47:32] <Yancho_> on another machine in the network
[10:47:48] <Yancho_> i better add it to hosts as the local ip i guess
[10:48:10] <Roobarb> it doesn't look like a DNS error to me
[10:48:37] <Roobarb> check the logs on the remote server, if you have access
[10:48:44] <Yancho_> from the inside we cannot ping that ip .. the server is on local ip
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[10:52:45] <Nevstah> hi guys, is it possible to delay outgoing mail so it isnt delivered immediately?
[10:54:14] <f3ew> man 5 access, /HOLD/
[10:57:33] <Yancho_> Roobarb: i changed in hosts file so that mail.lga.org.mt points to the local ip .. and this is the result: http://rafb.net/p/yq3WgN31.html
[10:58:04] <Roobarb> Yancho_: this is still an issue with the REMOTE server
[10:58:14] <Nevstah> f3ew, where would i put that?
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[10:59:11] <Yancho_> Roobarb: does it matter that the remote servre is a mail exchange?
[11:00:19] <Roobarb> Last time I checked, Exchange still spoke SMTP
[11:00:34] <Yancho_> and also .. it is trying to connect to  mail.lga.org.mt[212.56.143.28] .. i am in the same lan .. i cannot ping that hostname either .. it should be the local IP .. so postfix is not taking the local ip from the hosts file
[11:00:37] <Roobarb> either way the problem does not lie with Postfix
[11:00:53] <Roobarb> "ping" is a poor mechanism for checking connectivity
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[11:01:01] <Roobarb> try telnetting to port 25 on that IP
[11:02:21] <Yancho_> http://rafb.net/p/z2sHY035.html
[11:04:08] <randra> As i can create diferent extensions policies with amavis? Example: user01 at domain dot com can receive .mp3 files  but user02 at domain dot com can`t.
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[11:05:33] <Yancho_> Roobarb: as u can see the 212.* IP does not accept SMTP
[11:05:42] <Yancho_> so I have to force it to connect to local
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[11:09:26] <Roobarb> Yancho_: I dont think you're understanding properly. The remote host DOES accept SMTP, because its giving you an SMTP "go away" error. That remote box has a problem - I suggest you look there.
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[11:10:27] <Yancho_> did you check the last paste? 421 SMTP service not available, closing transmission channel
[11:11:04] <Yancho_> if yes .. i excuse myself then and take your word that i start checking there :)
[11:12:30] <Roobarb> yes. I saw your paste.
[11:13:04] <Yancho_> a ok .. ill speak with the windows admin
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[11:19:13] <Yancho_> to another host it works Roobarb  :)
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[11:30:20] <Yancho_> Roobarb: now i tried to set the email to @mail.lga.org.mt (which i forced it to point to a LAN ip) and it kinda worked .. Dec  9 11:29:14 localhost sendmail[10171]: mB9ATEKT010171: to=matthew.pulis at mail dot lga.org.mt, ctladdr=apache (48/48), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30142, relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 799D11828F49) .. but I...
[11:30:21] <Yancho_> ...received no Email .. but now its definately the windows admin job :)
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[11:37:26] <Drazen> hi there
[11:39:20] <Drazen> is there a way to configure postfix so that it always investigates MX records for a particular domain instead of accepting mail since it is a local domain?
[11:39:36] <Drazen> i can explain in detail what i mean if someone cares to help
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[11:42:36] <Yancho_> Roobarb:  if i set up a virtual host will it help ?
[11:42:51] <Roobarb> Yancho_: try talking to the windows admin first.
[11:43:09] <Roobarb> Yancho_: Exchange is rejecting your connections - you need to find out why.
[11:43:18] <Roobarb> Drazen: yes, please expand on your question
[11:43:25] <Yancho_> just did .. he said he has no idea about where to check .. and keeps saying its my problem
[11:43:48] <Roobarb> Yancho_: then you have a pretty lame Exchange admin
[11:44:00] <Roobarb> Yancho_: ask him to check his event logs
[11:44:16] <Yancho_> ok i will (he went for break now .. will tell him later) thanks
[11:48:01] <Drazen> Roobarb: ok lets say my mail server receives mail for domain.com, it is configured that way so domain.com is its local domain. domain.com has MX records pointing to some other smtp servers, not my server. so i'm asking if postfix on my server can be configured so that it ALWAYS consults MX records for domain.com (or any domain) and sends mail to proper smtp server
[11:49:18] <Roobarb> you mean you want to be a relay?
[11:49:55] <Drazen> Roobarb: yes relay, but although domain.com is my local domain
[11:50:26] <Drazen> Roobarb: because lets say my own postfix was once legitimate SMTP server for domain.com (MX records pointed to it) but today it isnt anymore
[11:50:52] <Drazen> Roobarb: so my server shouldnt acept mails for domain.com in local mailboxes. instead it should relay those mails to proper smtp servers
[11:51:18] <Roobarb> right, move domain.com from $mydestination to $relay_domains
[11:52:35] <Drazen> Roobarb: yes but can postfix be configured so it always MX records for its local domains, all of them
[11:52:46] <Drazen> Roobarb: yes but can postfix be configured so it always asks for MX records for its local domains, all of them
[11:53:15] <Drazen> lets say i dont want to have any administrative overhead afterwards
[11:53:23] <Drazen> once i hosted the domain, today i dont
[11:53:50] <Drazen> i don't want to manually move domain.com from $mydestination to $relay_domains. instead i want my postfix to alyaws consult MX records for all domains
[11:54:09] <Drazen> i'm not sure i explained well enough :)
[11:55:30] <Roobarb> the problem you have, is that Postfix doesn't do any kind of DNS lookup for domains listed in $mydestination
[11:55:50] <Roobarb> because that setting tells postfix explitly that those domains are local
[11:56:06] <Drazen> i see
[11:56:08] <Roobarb> you have to tell it otherwise if you want to start relaying those domains elsewhere
[11:56:17] <Drazen> so the domains shouldnt be listed in $mydestination at all?
[11:56:29] <Roobarb> no
[11:56:41] <Drazen> so youre saying there is no "cure" for this
[11:56:45] <Roobarb> but unless they're listed *somewhere*, postfix will likely reject mail
[11:57:42] <Roobarb> theres no "cure" because theres no technical problem, only an issue with the postfix admins' understanding of relaying ;)
[11:58:12] <Roobarb> ok, postfix doesn't accept mail for anywhere unless it's told it can
[11:58:42] <Roobarb> $mydestination is for domains that the server is the end-of-the-line destination for
[11:58:48] <Drazen> yes i understand relaying well :) however we have problem with our ISP. we once hosted our mails at their servers, today we host our mail ourselves
[11:59:13] <Drazen> they havent changed their mail configuration at all, so if  user chooses their SMTp servers and sends mail to us
[11:59:23] <Drazen> that mails stay on ISPs servers
[11:59:36] <Drazen> instead they should be forwarded here to ourplace
[11:59:41] <Roobarb> if you want mail to be forwarded (relayed) to another serrver, you *have* to remove it from $mydestination
[11:59:50] <Drazen> yes i understand
[12:00:04] <Drazen> ISP forgot to do that
[12:00:23] <Drazen> but i was wondering if they configured their postfix differently could it all work automatically
[12:00:30] <Drazen> you say no
[12:00:32] <Roobarb> no, its a manual change
[12:00:51] <Drazen> ok everything clear Roobarb
[12:00:56] <Drazen> thank you
[12:01:16] <Roobarb> however, if your MX records point at *your* server, then unless someone explicitly connected to your ISP's servers, your ISP shouldn't see any mail for your domain in the first place
[12:03:27] <Drazen> yes clients use ISPs smtp server for sending mail
[12:03:33] <Drazen> and thats the problem
[12:03:55] <Drazen> its a big ISP, many people use their SMTP servers
[12:04:11] <Roobarb> then unfortunatly you need to talk to the ISP to ask them to stop handling mail for your domain
[12:04:29] <Roobarb> or at the very least, ask them to relay everything they get to your servers
[12:04:36] <Roobarb> which equates to the same thing
[12:07:06] <Drazen> yes i understand
[12:07:14] <Drazen> ok thank you Roobarb
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[12:19:52] <randra> As i can create diferent extensions policies with amavis? Example: user01 at domain dot com can receive .mp3 files  but user02 at domain dot com can`t.
[12:20:19] <Roobarb> randra: I'm not sure amavisd can be that granular
[12:20:53] <Roobarb> randra: it have banned_files_lovers_maps, but thats more of a yes/no than a mp3=yes, exe=no thing
[12:21:38] <randra> but i can create diferent rules for each user?
[12:22:12] <Roobarb> as I said, I don't think so, but amavisd is outside the scope of this channel really
[12:22:59] <randra> Roobarb ok, i dont need specially amavisd u understandme? i just want create this policies
[12:23:26] <Roobarb> Vanilla Postfix has no such capability
[12:23:38] <randra> doesn't matter which antivirus
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[15:05:26] <bluethundr_> I am having sending mail to root on my system
[15:05:33] <bluethundr_> I am able to send to my user
[15:05:42] <bluethundr_> but root just seems to vanish into thin air
[15:05:46] <bluethundr_> here are my logs
[15:05:48] <bluethundr_> http://paste.debian.net/23202/
[15:06:01] <bluethundr_> can someone please help me try and figure this out? :-)
[15:13:42] <_ruben> procmail seems to eat your mail, not postfix
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[15:18:49] <bluethundr_> ah, interesting!
[15:18:51] <bluethundr_> thanks!
[15:19:26] <bluethundr_> so, if I edit the postfix conf file I can probably tell where it's going?
[15:20:00] <bluethundr_> I meant procmail
[15:20:01] <bluethundr_> sorry
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[15:40:21] <stockholm> i get lots and lots of these:
[15:40:22] <stockholm> 2008-12-09T14:41:27.664+00:00 smtp-001.lon.spotify.net 2008-12-09 14:41:27,663 DEBUG Already seen, skipping.
[15:40:25] <stockholm> 2008-12-09T14:41:27.666+00:00 smtp-001.lon.spotify.net 2008-12-09 14:41:27,666 INFO <20081209140508.3DF6838320367 at smtp-001 dot spotifymail.com> is
[15:40:28] <stockholm> a DSN
[15:40:31] <stockholm> what is that?
[15:40:58] <Dominian> database sourcd name?
[15:41:05] <Dominian> defense switched network?
[15:41:07] <Dominian> could mean anything
[15:41:20] <Dominian> what is doing your filtering?
[15:41:54] <lennard> in postfix-context, probably delivery status notification :P
[15:42:06] <stockholm> i dont filter much at all.
[15:42:11] <stockholm> some DBL
[15:42:37] <stockholm> so why do i get so many delivery status notifications all at once?
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[15:43:24] <stockholm> i mean it scrolls by real fast for a minute or so before it stopps
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[17:06:58] <dactor> hello there, i am trying to get a notification sent to my phone by sms when i receive and email in the inbox. currently using postfix...any ideas?!
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[17:08:08] <nemo> So, I finally joined the 20th century and got a laptop.
[17:08:15] <nemo> Instead of always SSHing into my home computer.
[17:08:39] <nemo> So, now I have the dilemma of how to send mail securely on the road, and I suppose I need to set up postfix to do authentication
[17:09:12] <nemo> I'm capable of RTFM and JFGI, but I was wondering.  There seem to be a bunch of authentication methods.  Is there a best one?
[17:09:26] <rob0> That's one way of doing it. Depends what all you want.
[17:09:29] <nemo> NTLM/SPA, GSSAPI, CRAM-MD5, DIGEST-MD5...
[17:09:42] <nemo> (just reading the Evolution Setup Assistant options :) )
[17:09:44] <rob0> I use AUTH PLAIN inside TLS.
[17:10:07] <nemo> ooh. that sounds like all your communications are encrypted
[17:10:10] <nemo> that sounds good
[17:10:17] <nemo> oh. there it is. TLS or SSL
[17:10:20] <rob0> But, when I first had to set that up, I went for an out-of-band solution: openvpn.
[17:10:22] <nemo> I suppose TLS is the wave of the future
[17:10:34] <nemo> meh.  have no strong need for VPN :)
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[17:11:20] <rob0> Another option: run mutt(1) directly on the mail server, via ssh.
[17:11:45] <nemo> heh.  that's what I've been doing 'till now
[17:11:47] <nemo> well. pine
[17:11:55] <rob0> pine / alpine too
[17:12:00] <nemo> I've been using pine for like 13+y so change is hard
[17:12:06] <dactor> anyone?! help!
[17:12:33] <nemo> rob0: anyway, I do want Evolution on this laptop to have a reliable mailserver, so I guess I'll focus on enabling TLS and AUTH PLAIN in postfix
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[17:13:05] <nemo> hopefully postfix has some denyhosts-like capabilities to lock down people trying to guess and test passwords
[17:14:03] <rob0> I haven't seen such attacks yet, but no, I don't know how to do that natively in Postfix.
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[17:44:50] <stephen_> hey guys!
[17:44:57] <stephen_> Quick question.. is there a way to send something to /dev/null using canonical?
[17:45:09] <stephen_> without it going to a local user..
[17:45:19] <stephen_> I have a box that is simply a canonical and transport router..
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[18:09:45] <eshear> rob0: yes, the logs, good point. Actually I mistyped 127.0.0.0/8 here, but when I actually checked the logs (doh) I had the same problem with my local CIDR
[18:13:06] <rob0> stephen_, why not REJECT? But sure, check_recipient_access and REJECT or DISCARD.
[18:13:35] <rob0> can also do a per-user transport(5) to discard:
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[18:26:18] <stephen_> rob0 thanks discard was what i was looking for.. Will discard work in canonical?
[18:28:07] * rob0 doesn't know much about canonical
[18:28:10] <Xzisted> !backscatter
[18:28:11] <knoba> Xzisted: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
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[18:32:36] <Keizer> Which is better cyrus-imap or dovecot
[18:33:02] <Keizer> I'm trying to send e-mail and I am getting relaying denied error
[18:33:13] <Keizer> How can I enable relaying for my authenticated users
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[18:36:52] <Cfu|Work> hi guys
[18:38:19] <Cfu|Work> i was just wondering if i could grab any help troubleshooting postfix w/ virtual domains?  the problem is regarding the X-Original-To and Deliver-To headers being rewritten to <user>@$myhostname instead of staying as <user>@<virtual_domain>
[18:38:44] <Cfu|Work> i use dspam with postfix also, but i don't think that's part of the problem
[18:38:52] <Cfu|Work> any help on this would be appreciated :)
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[18:48:52] <Keizer> I'm using courier-imap
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[18:58:26] <rob0> !relay_denied
[18:58:27] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[18:58:31] <rob0> !sasl
[18:58:31] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[19:14:54] <nemo> rob0: is SASL necessary?
[19:15:00] <nemo> oh
[19:15:01] <nemo> heh.
[19:15:05] <nemo> the factoid claims it is
[19:15:24] <nemo> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Postfix/TLS - just don't see it mentioned here
[19:15:33] <Dominian> if you want to use smtp_auth.. yes
[19:16:20] <nemo> welp. guess I'm reemerging with USE="sasl" then
[19:17:27] <Dominian> hehe
[19:17:34] <Dominian> emerge --omgdontforgetthekitchensink
[19:19:46] <mikedub> how difficult is migrating mailboxes from one server to another?
[19:20:04] <Dominian> depensd on if you use maildir or mbox
[19:20:10] <mikedub> while retaining the mail (imap accounts)
[19:20:12] <mikedub> maildir
[19:20:27] <Dominian> just zip up the maildir folders.. move them over.. probably have to set perms
[19:21:09] <mikedub> i've noticed the contents of the cur and new folders have the fqdn of the server as a part of their filenames
[19:21:13] <mikedub> is that an issue?
[19:21:24] <Dominian> shouldn't be
[19:21:34] <Dominian> I've moved mailboxes cross continental before :)
[19:21:51] <mikedub> wicked
[19:21:58] <mikedub> happy days.
[19:21:59] <Dominian> just have to watch the permissions is all
[19:22:03] <mikedub> yea
[19:22:21] * mikedub makes a note
[19:22:22] <nemo> huh. waddaya know
[19:22:25] <Dominian> I even moved mailboxes from a hardware server to a virtual private server the same way
[19:22:29] <nemo> yep there's the server name in the maildir file name
[19:22:36] <nemo> I never noticed that before
[19:22:36] <Dominian> mikedub: in fact, you could probably use rsync+ssh to do the move ;)
[19:22:40] <mikedub> Dominian: that's what i'm doing, actually
[19:22:43] <Dominian> configure it to keep the perms when it rsyncs.. be golden.
[19:22:50] <Dominian> nemo: hehe
[19:22:55] <nemo> I wonder why that's there
[19:22:55] <mikedub> from dedicated server in colo to VPS
[19:23:13] <Dominian> mikedub: nice
[19:23:15] <Dominian> I like VPS
[19:23:25] <mikedub> ditto. 1000% cheaper :P
[19:24:11] <mikedub> from $100/mo to $15/mo
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[19:26:45] <mikedub> Dominian: i will attempt the move later today, once I get DNS/websites migrated. what a pain.
[19:26:57] <mikedub> Dominian: thanks for the help, though!
[19:27:14] <Keizer> Damn adding smtp auth is an epic headache
[19:27:24] <Keizer> Well for mysql it is
[19:27:25] <mikedub> I never found it to be
[19:27:33] <Keizer> So many files to configure
[19:27:45] <Keizer> I'm using courier imap
[19:27:55] <mikedub> ditto..
[19:28:07] <Keizer> Are you using mysql
[19:28:12] <mikedub> yup
[19:28:23] <Keizer> How do you easily add smtp auth so remote users can send e-mail
[19:30:48] <Dominian> dovecot ftw
[19:31:12] <Keizer> >_<
[19:31:16] <Keizer> Dovecot looks good
[19:31:19] <mikedub> shit sorry
[19:31:29] <mikedub> old system uses courier
[19:31:38] <mikedub> dovecot on the new box. it was a breeze
[19:31:39] <rob0> Courier authdaemond isn't hard, either.
[19:31:56] * rob0 prefers Dovecot, however
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[19:33:11] <Keizer> I just now found what looks to be a good doc
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[19:38:05] <diegoviola> hi, i'm doing a relay from postfix to gmail, and i get this: Dec  9 13:36:12 ip-10-250-111-79 postfix/smtp[12986]: certificate verification failed for smtp.gmail.com[64.233.171.109]:587: untrusted issuer /C=ZA/ST=Western Cape/L=Cape Town/O=Thawte Consulting cc/OU=Certification Services Division/CN=Thawte Premium Server CA/emailAddress=premium-server at thawte dot com
[19:38:10] <diegoviola> anyone?
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[19:45:24] <rob0> !tls
[19:45:24] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[19:45:29] <rob0> !tls_readme
[19:45:30] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
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[20:02:29] <Cfu|Work> is everyone alright with me re-asking a question from 17:30, now that there are some more people in the channel?
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[20:02:41] <Cfu|Work> i'm quite sure someone will be able to tell me what is going on
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[20:05:21] <rob0> !maincf prepend_delivered_header
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[20:05:39] <rob0> knoba: ?
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[20:14:00] <rob0> !maincf prepend_delivered_header
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[20:14:01] <knoba> rob0: Error: "maincf" is not a valid command.
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[20:14:12] <rob0> !main_cf prepend_delivered_header
[20:14:13] <knoba> rob0: Error: "main_cf" is not a valid command.
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[20:19:08] <Cfu|Work> i'm having a bit of a problem with postfix re-writing parts of my headers
[20:19:27] <Cfu|Work> the problem is regarding the X-Original-To and Deliver-To headers being rewritten to <user>@$myhostname instead of staying as <user>@<virtual_domain>
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[20:19:49] <Cfu|Work> got a pastebin of my conf here: http://pastebin.com/d7fed7953
[20:21:31] <rob0> and I tried to answer you, see prepend_delivered_header
[20:21:38] <Cfu|Work> ohhh
[20:22:03] <Cfu|Work> rob0: i wasn't sure if it was directed at me :)
[20:22:10] <Cfu|Work> thanks, i'll look into it now
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[20:32:50] <Cfu|Work> rob0: ok, i tried that, and it allowed me to toggle the insertion of the delivered-to header for file, command, or forward cases, but doesn't fix the incorrect rewrites as such
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[20:57:32] <miegalius> gero vakaro
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[21:12:17] <nemo> hm
[21:12:28] <nemo> 454 4.7.0 TLS not available due to local problem
[21:12:35] <nemo> I probably didn't setup the certs right I bet
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[21:22:21] <jangell> Right now I'm fighting through my first installation of postfix with a ldap backend and dovecot...Right now if I start postfix and telnet to locahost 25 I can connect to the server..that said..the server will never reply to anything and won't terminate the smtp connection
[21:22:48] <jangell> any idea what would cause the above?
[21:24:59] <nemo> nothing in log?
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[21:25:42] <hachiya> does it display a welcome msg or just hang when you connect?
[21:29:02] <jangell> hachiya: no welcome message..but I think it is because I was stupid and assumed postfix compiled with ldap support by default..which it doesn't it seems :)
[21:29:17] <jangell> so now i'm trying to figure out how to compile it w/ ldap support
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[21:29:43] <Cfu|Work> http://pastebin.com/d5aeba821
[21:31:07] <rob0> !ldap
[21:31:08] <knoba> rob0: "ldap" : a lookup method that can be used by Postfix. An introduction can be found in the LDAP_README also found at http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html. A worthy project dealing with LDAP and Postfix can be found at: http://jamm.sourceforge.net/howto/html/
[21:31:50] <jangell> rob0: thanks.  I'm trying to use Phamm right now.which seems more updated
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[21:37:39] <rob0> cfu, line 32, "Received: from DSPAM-Daemon (localhost [127.0.0.1]) ..."
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[21:38:43] <rob0> If dspam sends mail to someone@$myhostname, what do you think the headers should say?
[21:39:31] <rob0> If dspam sends mail to "someone" (no domain), then @$myorigin is appended.
[21:39:36] <rob0> !myorigin
[21:39:37] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[21:41:40] <Cfu|Work> i think i see what you're saying
[21:41:42] <jangell> Hmm..no banner..and no errors now. lol
[21:42:03] <jangell> wait..another error.  I'm a noob it seems.
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[21:42:29] <Cfu|Work> i've been making some test mails, and added to the dspam pipe flags in master.cf "O", to insert (again) the x-original-to values
[21:43:34] <Cfu|Work> one of the x-original-to lines had the correct address, appearing in the line under "Received: from DSPAM-Daemon (localhost [127.0.0.1]) ..."
[21:44:26] <Cfu|Work> mastodon:/etc/postfix# cat /etc/mailname
[21:44:27] <Cfu|Work> mastodon.hardc0re.org.uk
[21:44:29] <Cfu|Work> :)
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[22:03:06] <nemo> yay. SMTP auth all setup
[22:03:20] <nemo> now I just need to figure out how to tell postfix to allow relaying if someone is authenticated
[22:03:43] <nemo> !relay
[22:03:44] <knoba> nemo: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[22:03:46] <nemo> hm
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[22:04:12] <jeev> jesus christ
[22:04:19] <jeev> postfix is the hottest thing since thongs
[22:05:40] <rob0> nemo, it's in SASL_README
[22:06:09] <Cfu|Work> dspam                 unix    -       n       n       -       -    pipe flags=Ru user=dspam argv=/usr/bin/dspam --client --deliver=innocent,spam --user ${recipient} -i -f $sender -- $recipient
[22:06:24] <Cfu|Work> sorry to bother youa gain rob0, but i feel i might be making progress
[22:06:55] <Cfu|Work> but am i right in thinking i need to ammend that pipe command to add the domain to the recipient?
[22:07:49] <nemo> rob0: "In order to allow mail relaying by authenticated remote SMTP clients"... I had added the permit_sasl_unauthenticated
[22:07:53] <nemo> er
[22:07:54] <nemo> authenticated
[22:08:43] <rob0> cfu, I don't use pipe transports.
[22:09:03] <nemo> rob0: that's the only mention I see of relaying, apart from relayhost
[22:09:42] <nemo> maybe my existing settings are blocking the permit
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[22:11:22] <rob0> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
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[22:16:46] <Cfu|Work> rob0: thanks for all your help, i've narrowed it down to dspam, so i know where to be looking now :)
[22:17:00] <Cfu|Work> disabled it for now
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[22:35:38] <nemo> oh. smtpd_use_tls
[22:36:59] <nemo> woohoo
[22:37:01] <nemo> that did it
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[22:43:08] <nemo> rob0: ditto on the help thing. thanks much
[22:43:20] <rob0> !yw
[22:43:20] <knoba> rob0: "yw" : you're welcome
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[22:53:18] <jangell> i'm trying to get postfix setup with dovecot and ldap..right now things are working pretty good..it looks up teh domain etc through ldap just fine...but the message won't deliver out of the queue:  (mail transport unavailable) and the maillog says: warning: connect to transport maildrop: No such file or directory ....any ideas?
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[22:54:34] <rob0> My idea is that you tried to set up a maildrop transport, but failed.
[22:55:07] <rob0> Another idea, you found a howto and maybe didn't follow it completely?
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[22:55:18] <jangell> rob0: I think my transport is supposed to be dovecot's deliver....I'm not sure why it isn't
[22:55:29] <rob0> Lots of other ideas, but you won't be interested in them. :)
[22:55:49] <jangell> http://pastebin.ca/1281098
[22:55:59] <jangell> mailbox_transport out of postconf is dovecot
[22:56:03] <jangell> that is why I'm confused about maildrop errors..
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[23:03:11] <randra> where i can change permissoes to only one uid and gid can send msg with postfix?
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[23:13:18] <Zakus> hello
[23:15:27] <Zakus> guys.. i have some mail aliases like all at domain dot tld - and i want to set up my postfix that only sasl authenticated users can send mails to this alias - is it possible?
[23:15:33] <Zakus> sorry for bad english :)
[23:16:32] <Zakus> now i'm using protected_destinations and insiders_only, but spamers sometimes uses my trusted domain as sender domain...
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