[00:00:15] <solexious> By that you mean sendmail not postxif.sendmail?
[00:00:22] <solexious> postfix*
[00:00:39] <shasta> sendmail as in sendmail
[00:01:20] <solexious> Ok... i think i get you
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[00:02:24] <jra> bsd, eh?
[00:02:37] <solexious> mwa?
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[00:05:05] <solexious> Theres nothing quite like a restart is there, its working now
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[00:06:43] <whiteflag> !luser_relay
[00:06:44] <knoba> whiteflag: "luser_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional catch-all destination for unknown local(8) recipients. By default, mail for unknown recipients in domains that match $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces is returned as undeliverable.
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[00:09:27] <assignme> hey guys, i tried several times and failed miserabily, may i have help installing postfix and having it work with gmail?
[00:10:21] <assignme> the problems i had before (relating to exim and others) is i couldnt send mail from different address. i had several users and pass in exim and no matter what user/pass exim would connect to gmail and use the first email on its list
[00:11:36] <assignme> anyone?
[00:11:45] <timotiCK> PatrickDK: "relay=local, delay=49, delays=49/0.01/0/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail -a $EXTENSION)"...what does the delays= mean here??
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[00:12:31] <assignme> help?
[00:12:39] <assignme> i am installing postfix right now
[00:14:45] <jra> timotiCK: man 5 postconf, delay_logging_resolution_limit
[00:15:32] <PatrickDK> timotiCK, dunno
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[00:17:22] <solexious> just to check, is /var/mail/mail.err postfix's error log?
[00:17:23] <timotiCK> I'm just putting forward some info.log relating to that delay problem of receiving emails
[00:17:29] <assignme> brb :x
[00:21:18] <PatrickDK> timotiCK, so it took that email 49seconds to pass over your internet connection basically
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[00:24:49] <solexious> Odd, im getting this error, but i know the domain its sending to is fine:
[00:24:50] <solexious> postfix/error[2439]: E2978E8B20: to=<charlesyarnold at tormentedflame dot com>, relay=none, delay=500, delays=500/0.02/0/0.02, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=tormentedflame.com type=MX: Host not found, try again)
[00:24:55] <rob0> Pat, wrong, "delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail -a $EXTENSION", means that procmail took 49 seconds to run. No network sockets involved.
[00:26:14] <timotiCK> PatrickDK: can you send one to timoti at mow dot gov.ck using host mail.mow.gov.ck!!
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[00:27:29] <timotiCK> PatrickDK: ...using telnet....and tell me what the results is
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[00:28:20] <rob0> 2 questions about that: 1. Why are you using procmail? 2. Why is your procmail taking so long?
[00:28:23] <hans67521> hello
[00:28:45] <hans67521> having an weird issue with postfix in gateway mode
[00:28:52] <rob0> !tell solexious logs
[00:29:51] <PatrickDK> timotick, your email server takes forever to respond
[00:29:56] <solexious> rob0, thanks, got it
[00:29:57] <PatrickDK> I'm getting delays of up to 12sec so far
[00:30:03] <hans67521> when i receive mail the postmaster accepts all mail and then pushes it my internal mail server
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[00:30:55] <hans67521> this also results in one email been requeued twice
[00:31:41] <PatrickDK> damn, 47seconds to respond Ok to the rcpt to command
[00:31:53] <riz_> I'm writing a rule uri for SA: /www.\/sitespam.\/com//i in this case it match www.sitespam.com but not WWW.SITESPAM.COM how to match SITESPAM.COM also?
[00:32:01] <PatrickDK> your server is really lacking something (cpu, memory), or your internet connection is seriously overloaded
[00:32:15] <shasta> \/?
[00:32:46] <shasta> /www\.sitespam\.com/i should do it
[00:34:00] <riz_> shasta ok I'm trying
[00:34:26] <hans67521> http://pastebin.com/m32ada164
[00:34:34] <hans67521> i anyone have time
[00:34:51] <hans67521> i am testing sending a mail from gmail
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[00:35:21] <hans67521> the postfix gmail accepts it and then sends it as postmaster at mydomain dot co.za to the internal  mail server
[00:35:34] <hans67521> i have disabled local delivery
[00:36:12] <timotiCK> PatrickDK:...so you do not think it's my configuration!!
[00:36:21] <riz_> shasta not work: /www\.sitespam\.com\i: missing or invalid delimiters
[00:36:36] <riz_> sorry
[00:36:56] <riz_> the last is slash, not back slash :)
[00:39:37] <solexious> Odd, im getting this error, but i know the domain its sending to is fine, any ideas?:
[00:39:43] <solexious> postfix/error[2439]: E2978E8B20: to=<charlesyarnold at tormentedflame dot com>, relay=none, delay=500, delays=500/0.02/0/0.02, dsn=4.4.3, status=deferred (delivery temporarily suspended: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=tormentedflame.com type=MX: Host not found, try again)
[00:42:07] <whiteflag> !fallback_transport
[00:42:08] <knoba> whiteflag: "fallback_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for names that are not found in the aliases(5) database or in the UNIX passwd database.
[00:42:40] <hans67521> ?
[00:43:22] <shasta> riz, it's more a #spamassassin question anyway. I don't know what you're matching against, but something like this should work: BODY RIZ_MYRULE1 /www\.sitespam\.com/i
[00:43:48] <shasta> solexious, postfix running in chroot perhaps?
[00:44:31] <solexious> pshasta: postfix/master?
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[00:44:40] <NineX> hi
[00:45:23] <shasta> solexious, pastebin this: grep -v ^# /where/do/you/have/postfix/master.cf
[00:46:18] <NineX> i have question. did postfix compiled with enabled dovecot-sasl and disabled sasl (disabled cirrus-sasl) will provide client authorization via dovecot-sasl, or i need to enable booth sasl mechanisms?
[00:46:54] <solexious> http://pastebin.com/d55ef8355
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[00:47:39] <shasta> !chroot
[00:47:39] <knoba> shasta: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[00:48:10] <shasta> do you have etc/resolv.conf inside chroot?
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[00:48:25] <solexious> eek, that just wooshed over my head, one sec
[00:50:19] <solexious> how do i find that out? Ive not touched much after apt-getting postfix
[00:50:24] <riz_> shasta ok, thanks shasta
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[00:57:51] <solexious> !debug
[00:57:52] <knoba> solexious: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[00:58:18] <solexious> !queue_directory
[00:58:19] <knoba> solexious: "queue_directory" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The location of the Postfix top-level queue directory. This is the root directory of Postfix daemon processes that run chrooted.
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[01:06:36] <solexious> shasta, any ideas?
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[01:08:15] <quieteyes> anyone here have any experience postfix/dovecot - > exchange 2008?
[01:09:13] <quieteyes> simple question(s): were there any major gotcha/issue(s)?  what kind of time frame were you looking at given the number of users you had?
[01:10:39] <assignme> hey guys, my postfix isnt working. I selected forgot a password and an email has not been sent like it said it has
[01:11:37] <assignme> i was told the default instaltion would handle that. But i think that guy is confused about something especially since i need a password to go with the smtp smarthost i set
[01:11:42] <assignme> can anyone assist me?
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[01:14:44] <assignme> brb i think i found a proper tutorial
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[01:43:26] <solexious> any one? :(
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[01:46:23] <timotiCK> PatrickDK: I think I've found the problem with my email server...
[01:47:07] <timotiCK> ...solved by adding "permit" to "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination, reject_invalid_hostname, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain"
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[01:48:00] <timotiCK> no more delay, defferred or timeout errors....
[01:48:42] <F-Lelo> Hi! Im having relay access denied. This is my postconf -n report: http://pastebin.com/d6de3d3dd - could anyone help me?
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[02:06:26] <timotiCK> F-Lelo: local_transport = error:no local mail delivery
[02:06:40] <timotiCK> local_transport = local
[02:06:41] <F-Lelo> timotiCK: thank you
[02:07:31] <rob0> !relay_denied
[02:07:32] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[02:08:17] <F-Lelo> hmmmmm! nice, thanky ou =))
[02:08:25] <rob0> But indeed, the local_transport setting is strange.
[02:08:54] <F-Lelo> yeah, I've just commented that out
[02:09:05] <zzattack2> can we setup postfix so that any ip is allowed as long as it's authenticated?
[02:10:00] <rob0> "local_recipient_maps =" means you'll accept spam for any username whether valid or not, and then bounce the innocent victims who were used as sender (see BACKSCATTER_README.)
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[02:12:18] <zzattack2> several online smtp testers work for me but from outlook express/mozilla thunderbird i cannot connect to my smtp server
[02:12:27] <rob0> !outlook
[02:12:27] <knoba> rob0: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us
[02:12:43] <rob0> Thunderbird, OTOH, should be better.
[02:12:49] <zzattack2> it just times out
[02:13:03] <jeev> thunderbird > *
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[02:13:42] <zzattack2> im thinking maybe my local dns cache is messed up or something but from another remote box I cant connect either
[02:13:43] <rob0> !proxy
[02:13:44] <knoba> rob0: Error: "proxy" is not a valid command.
[02:13:45] <zzattack2> also with thunderbird
[02:13:58] <rob0> !cisco_pix
[02:13:58] <knoba> rob0: "cisco_pix" : The Cisco PIX firewall has a SMTP proxy feature which breaks ESMTP. If your Postfix server is behind such a firewall you should disable the SMTP Fixup feature.
[02:14:20] <zzattack2> im not using that
[02:15:06] <rob0> !submission
[02:15:06] <knoba> rob0: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[02:15:27] <rob0> Are you using port 25? A lot od ISPs block that.
[02:15:49] <zzattack2> yeah, it's on port 25 but that should be fine
[02:16:09] <zzattack2> it's a dedicated host and their site specifically says I can run a mailserver
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[02:17:00] <rob0> OUTBOUND
[02:17:05] <zzattack2> http://pingability.com/smtptest.jsp server "mail.zzattack.org" seems to work fine
[02:17:19] <rob0> I can't get there from my home ISP.
[02:17:32] <zzattack2> get where? pingability?
[02:17:42] <rob0> Any port 25.
[02:17:50] <zzattack2> Oh
[02:18:16] <zzattack2> I think I can, my isp has its mail server on port 2r5
[02:19:56] <sahil> yes but what about connecting, from your home machine, to port 25 on *another* server.  that is to say, NOT the mail server of your ISP.
[02:20:05] <sahil> sigh.
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[02:21:38] <rob0> sigh indeed ... he didn't enable AUTH
[02:21:55] <rob0> oh he's still here
[02:22:04] <rob0> !tell zzattack2 sasl
[02:22:07] <wdp> morning
[02:22:08] <wdp> :p
[02:22:08] <sahil> he didn't enable synapses in his brain. :)
[02:22:36] <solexious> On sendmail -pb i get: http://pastebin.com/d7d18ca58 any ideas?
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[02:23:26] <assignme> hey guys i failed
[02:23:37] <solexious> join the club
[02:23:44] <assignme> i couldnt get postfix to use gmail. can i get a little help
[02:23:50] <wdp> lol
[02:23:53] <sahil> can you give a little info.
[02:23:58] <rob0> Sol, your Postfix doesn't have access to a working nameserver
[02:24:27] <sahil> solexious: start by investigating the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf
[02:24:35] <assignme> i have postfix installed and wordpress. my wordpress is using admin at domain dot com, which exist since i can email it and see the email on google apps
[02:24:39] <solexious> both, ok
[02:25:09] <assignme> i tried sending a remind password on wordpress and nothing came up on google app (i'll call it gmail) at all
[02:25:34] <zzattack> rob0, im sure it's enabled now, but that doesnt change a thing
[02:25:44] <solexious> I get: search bitfolk.com.
[02:25:45] <solexious> nameserver 212.13.194.71
[02:25:45] <solexious> nameserver 212.13.194.96
[02:25:45] <assignme> in my prev instalation i made wordpress use smtp directly and it worked like a charm. but mediawiki didnt so i want them ALL to use postfix instead of having a mix
[02:25:53] <assignme> so how do i get postfix to use gmail?
[02:26:01] <sahil> solexious: talk to the folks who manage those nameservers; they suck.
[02:26:30] <sahil> assignme: do you have a postconf -n output?  do you have errors in your logs?  this isn't #psychic
[02:27:07] <solexious> sahil, Is there a way to check that its the name servers and not postfix?
[02:27:28] <sahil> solexious: dig MX tormentedflame.com
[02:28:08] <solexious> sahil, I dont seem to have dig installed on my ubuntu box
[02:28:19] * solexious searches to get dig from some where
[02:28:46] <assignme> i cant find my postfix logs, where are they?
[02:29:39] <sahil> do you have nslookup solexious?
[02:29:39] <sahil> solexious: try nslookup -type=mx tormentedflame.com
[02:29:47] <rob0> !chroot
[02:29:53] <knoba> rob0: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[02:30:29] <rob0> If you don't know how to maintain a chroot, disabled chroot ... see !debug
[02:30:57] <solexious> !debug
[02:31:03] <knoba> solexious: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[02:31:51] <sahil> solexious: are you operating in a chroot?
[02:32:32] <solexious> Not that ive set up my self, unless the ubuntu/debian package sets it up at the time of install
[02:32:52] <rob0> indeed they do
[02:33:14] <rob0> which is something Wietse himself has complained about
[02:33:35] <sahil> sigh
[02:33:41] <sahil> that's so freaking lame.
[02:33:53] <solexious> Well ive edited the config file not to and reloaded
[02:34:16] <solexious> should i just try sending thought sendmail again?
[02:34:16] <sahil> solexious: can you please tell us the output of the nslookup command so we can rule out a nameserver problem?
[02:34:34] <solexious> sahil, you mean dig?
[02:34:42] <sahil> solexious: no, i meant nslookup.
[02:34:43] <sahil> grrr
[02:34:46] <sahil> type this:
[02:34:52] <sahil> nslookup -type=mx tormentedflame.com
[02:35:03] <rob0> dig is far superior, nslookup is buggy and deprecated.
[02:35:14] <sahil> irrelevant here; it will serve the purpose.
[02:35:22] <sahil> he doesn't have dig.  poor guy.
[02:35:45] <solexious> or nslookup by the looks of it
[02:36:49] <solexious> installing dig
[02:37:35] <sahil> sigh
[02:38:06] <solexious> dig tormentedflame.com
[02:38:26] <rob0> dig tormentedflame.com mx
[02:38:26] <solexious> http://pastebin.com/d2d8cf9f9
[02:38:48] <sahil> solexious: type the dig command i posted earlier.
[02:38:55] <rob0> SERVFAIL might indicate a problem area
[02:39:54] <solexious> Humm, let me check it on my laptop *different connection*
[02:40:25] <sahil> if it uses the same nameserver, you're probably not any better off.
[02:40:54] <rob0> SERVFAIL means ... the SERVer FAILed
[02:41:06] <sahil> nooooooo wayyyyyyy
[02:41:12] <rob0> ;; SERVER: 212.13.194.71#53(212.13.194.71)
[02:41:16] <zzattack> how do i test whether my isp blocks outgoing port 25?
[02:41:24] <zzattack> anyone have an ip accepting connection on 25?
[02:41:24] <rob0> is a dead parrot
[02:41:24] <sahil> zzattack: try to telnet to a server on port 25.
[02:41:32] <solexious> on my laptop NOERROR
[02:41:52] <zzattack> sahil do you know of a publicly accessible server on port 25?
[02:42:27] <sahil> zzattack: oh, i don't know, let's try smtp1.google.com.
[02:42:31] <PatrickDK> timotiCK, nope, still same issue
[02:42:55] <zzattack> "telnet smtp1.google.com 25" times out for me
[02:43:11] <sahil> zzattack: port 25 is blocked.
[02:43:19] <sahil> now try telnet smtp1.google.com 587
[02:43:27] <PatrickDK> smtp1.google.com 25 works fine for me :)
[02:43:30] <solexious> rob0, seems to be dead only from my vps's connection to the net, but fine from mine
[02:43:44] <zzattack> sahil: doesnt work for me either
[02:43:52] <sahil> solexious: what is the /etc/resolv.conf say on your laptop?
[02:44:01] <sahil> er, i can't type.
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[02:44:25] <sahil> zzattack: my bad.
[02:44:26] <rob0> I recommend running a local caching nameserver with any Postfix.
[02:44:33] <zzattack> 465?
[02:44:34] <solexious> # Generated by NetworkManager
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[02:44:34] <solexious> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[02:44:34] <solexious> nameserver 208.67.220.220
[02:44:48] <solexious> rob0, thanks
[02:45:57] <sahil> zzattack: smtp.gmail.com
[02:46:13] <rob0> For a really high-load system, you might want the nameserver on another machine, but accessible via fast Ethernet or better.
[02:46:21] <zzattack> blocks as well
[02:46:32] <sahil> zzattack: on port 587?  that's odd.  that should not be blocked.
[02:46:39] <solexious> lets change the nameservers of my vps to opendns for a laugh?
[02:46:45] <zzattack> oh 587 works fine
[02:47:07] * sahil also recommends local caching dns
[02:47:54] <sahil> look into djbdns.
[02:49:00] <solexious> will do
[02:50:11] <PatrickDK> heh, perfer powerdns here
[02:50:19] <PatrickDK> but same deal
[02:50:33] <sahil> same shit.
[02:50:39] <sahil> ok bbl, good luck guys.
[02:50:46] <zzattack> bye, thx
[02:50:56] <solexious> Byee
[02:51:14] <solexious> Woot, dns change now shows noerror
[02:52:05] * rob0 prefers BIND
[02:52:11] <solexious> YAY
[02:52:19] <solexious> I can sleep now!!
[02:52:40] <solexious> Time to send an email to bitfolk to sort there dns out!
[02:53:06] <solexious> Woot, dns change now shows noerror :)
[02:53:14] <solexious> Thanks rob0 and sahil when he gets back *
[02:53:33] * solexious bows in gratitude
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[03:10:29] <assignme> where is the postfix log?
[03:10:38] <assignme> it isnt workingt and i dont know where the log is :(
[03:11:31] <rob0> !logs
[03:11:31] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[03:11:44] <pingouin_> cat /var/log/mail.info mail.err mail.warn
[03:12:01] <rob0> Funny, I don't have any of those files.
[03:12:17] <pingouin_> debian Etch, here
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[03:17:42] <assignme> i found it. i faileds pretty hard
[03:17:52] <assignme> it says unknown user admin at mydomain dot com
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[03:20:02] <assignme> i am going to sleep ttyl
[03:20:33] <civillian> hi all.. is there a way I can force postfix to allow 'MAIL FROM: <foobar at 192 dot 168.1.1>'?  I'm getting bad address syntax
[03:20:48] <Dominian> !mydestination
[03:20:49] <knoba> Dominian: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
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[03:21:25] <dvl> Good evening geeks
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[03:24:34] <rob0> Nope, bad SMTP syntax is bad SMTP syntax. Fix the client, or put some proxy between it and Postfix?
[03:26:07] <Dominian> rob0: good catch.. I'm drinkning.. wasn't paying attention.
[03:26:09] <Dominian> frankly just didn't care
[03:26:14] <Dominian> as this lag I'm getting from home is pissing me off
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[03:32:23] <magyar> wow, whats with the spam for the past few days.
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[03:32:44] <magyar> shiat, looks like the botnet is up and running in full force just for the holidays
[03:33:02] <magyar> !hi
[03:33:02] <knoba> magyar: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
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[03:55:13] <sahil> dvl: evenin'
[03:55:19] <`shr00m> hello
[03:55:56] <`shr00m> quick question. ... what happens if there are 2 A records configured for mail.domain.com and the mx for domain.com points to mail.domain.com.  One of the two addresses is not working... will postfix automatically try the 2nd IP associated with mail.domain.com?
[03:56:16] <cite> Good morning
[03:56:59] <PatrickDK> `shr00m, nope
[03:57:12] <PatrickDK> the ip returned for the mx is done via your resolver lib
[03:57:18] <PatrickDK> and normally they only return one
[03:57:29] <PatrickDK> this is why they made multible mx entries :)
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[03:57:54] <`shr00m> that's horrible
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[04:01:44] <sahil> `shr00m: you're better off configuring two different MXs, i.e. mx1.domain.com and mx2, and configuring them as the same priority for MX in your DNS to get the desired round-robin/fallback functionality.
[04:03:35] <PatrickDK> generally two mx's is a big waste
[04:03:43] <PatrickDK> unless it's absolutely nessisary
[04:04:02] <PatrickDK> cause the expense you go through to do virus/spam/... will need to be done on both
[04:04:11] <PatrickDK> and keeping valid user lists
[04:04:14] <`shr00m> i don't think it's possible in my situation... a client has one mailserver reachable thru 2 ISP's... so 2 IP's for a single mailserver.  the MX records to his domain point to an external spam filtering company... they check for virii etc and then send back the mail to mail.hisdomain.com
[04:04:47] <PatrickDK> don't make mail.hisdomain.com an A record
[04:04:54] <PatrickDK> make an mx record for mail.hisdomain.com :)
[04:05:04] <`shr00m> let me process that
[04:05:20] <PatrickDK> mail servers deliever to mx records, if none exists, then to A records
[04:05:35] <`shr00m> :D
[04:05:49] <PatrickDK> so if you have, mail.hisdomain.com MX 10 mail-ip1.hisdomain.com
[04:05:51] <`shr00m> that's awesome
[04:06:21] <impulze> lol
[04:06:22] <PatrickDK> people are so stuck in the box :)
[04:06:27] <impulze> that's horrible, that's awesome, ...
[04:06:30] <`shr00m> lol
[04:06:38] <impulze> your nick is terrible
[04:06:41] <impulze> at least the beginning ist
[04:06:49] <`shr00m> mine?
[04:06:51] <impulze> yes
[04:07:34] <`shr00m> it's a fly sitting on top of a mushrom (in reference to fly agaric mushrooms)
[04:11:53] <`shr00m> the fqdn given by the server when you first connect to it and start an smtp conversation... does it need to resolve to anything?
[04:12:26] <PatrickDK> yes
[04:12:42] <PatrickDK> it should match the name of the mx entry and the reverse dns of the ip
[04:12:44] <`shr00m> does it need to match the source IP the mailserver is speaking from?
[04:13:03] <PatrickDK> lets say you have, example.com mx 10 mail.example.com
[04:13:09] <PatrickDK> it should say, helo mail.example.com
[04:13:18] <PatrickDK> and mail.example.com should resolve to the ip it's using
[04:13:26] <PatrickDK> and the ip it's using should resolve to mail.example.com
[04:13:32] <PatrickDK> or some people will have issues with you
[04:15:22] <`shr00m> what about when it's multi-homed like in this situation... you never know which IP it will go out from
[04:15:48] <PatrickDK> well, generally the helo name just needs to work and resolve
[04:15:52] <PatrickDK> it normally doesn't matter to what
[04:15:56] <PatrickDK> though some people do care
[04:16:00] <`shr00m> ok.. it's the reverse that matters more i guess
[04:16:03] <impulze> i do :P
[04:16:07] <PatrickDK> it normally matters when you send mail
[04:16:09] <PatrickDK> than receive it
[04:16:17] <PatrickDK> matters more
[04:17:08] <PatrickDK> personally, this is postfix :)
[04:17:25] <PatrickDK> you can just make 2 smtpd services, one for each ip
[04:17:36] <PatrickDK> could make two smtp services also
[04:17:46] <PatrickDK> though I wouldn't know how to do that, and make it work
[04:17:50] <PatrickDK> two smtpd is easy
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[04:32:49] <pl4yer0ne> Hi all, so after looking for a while and trying a couple of different methods I would like to know if there is a better way of doing an "Out of Office" reply than vacation.
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[04:33:48] <`shr00m> PatrickDK, thanks a lot.. you're great
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[04:33:55] <PatrickDK> I know :)
[04:34:04] <`shr00m> and impulze you too... you're "awesome"
[04:35:09] <`shr00m> haha... bye Patrick
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[04:53:42] <googlah> shr00m .. 8)
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[06:34:27] <famicom> MIAUW
[06:37:06] <famicom> http://vda.sf.net
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[06:49:00] <thumbs> .
[06:50:34] <pl4yer0ne> For anyone that may have seen my earlier question about vacation messages:  I used maildrops built in mailfilter support.
[06:50:50] <pl4yer0ne> Its pretty nifty.
[06:54:22] <roe_> the only issue with maildrop is it is difficult to let users manage their .mailfilter themselves
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[06:59:15] <PatrickDK> I love maildrop
[06:59:28] <PatrickDK> roe, I mainly use horde
[06:59:43] <roe_> does horde have a plugin to edit one's .mailfilter?
[06:59:56] <PatrickDK> and wrote a whole extra section so my maildrop support in horde, does better than the procmail support
[07:00:00] <PatrickDK> yep
[07:00:09] <PatrickDK> horde/imp/ingo
[07:00:13] <PatrickDK> ingo does the mail filtering
[07:00:41] <PatrickDK> supports sieve, maildrop, procmail, and something else
[07:01:23] <roe_> I like horde, my users hate it
[07:01:30] <roe_> they much prefer something like roundcube
[07:01:35] <PatrickDK> ya, horde is evil, and not user friendly
[07:01:45] <PatrickDK> but once you understand it, I think it's powerful as hell
[07:01:52] <PatrickDK> the most powerful webmail program I have seen
[07:02:05] * harlan is slowly getting an education in horde...
[07:02:12] <PatrickDK> but power comes at a price, bloat, cpu speed needed, ...
[07:02:44] <roe_> there seems like the roundcube following is growing so hopefully it will eventually amass similar plugins
[07:03:07] <PatrickDK> I have roundcube installed next to horde
[07:03:23] <PatrickDK> didn't like it too much, mainly cause it's just too damned simple
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[07:03:48] <roe_> there is something to be said for "do one thing and do it will"
[07:03:55] <roe_> *well"
[07:04:11] <PatrickDK> ya, it is the simplicity for end users
[07:04:16] <PatrickDK> that just want to look at mail
[07:04:21] <PatrickDK> and they don't get huge amounts of it
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[07:04:55] <PatrickDK> I'm annoyed that my bedroom lcd is dead :(
[07:05:04] <PatrickDK> the psu inside it is smoking :(
[07:05:09] <alex_21> Hi, I am new here. I use zimbra, based on postfix-2.4.7.5z and I need to know why my server isn't receiving mail, and how to test it
[07:05:23] <PatrickDK> alex_21, did you turn it on?
[07:05:24] <roe_> alex_21, take a gander at the topic
[07:05:41] <roe_> PatrickDK, if squirrel mail weren't so ugly I'd use that
[07:05:58] <PatrickDK> I quickly dumped squirrel mail
[07:06:06] <PatrickDK> I forget why, it isn't cause of ugly though
[07:06:10] <alex_21> Gander?
[07:06:18] <roe_> gander = read
[07:07:10] <alex_21> And is it turned on, it is running, and about two weeks ago when I changed my primary network interface from eth1 to eth0 and threw the machine behind a hardware firewall, though I did port forward, it stopped working
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[07:07:11] <PatrickDK> roe_, come on, everyone knows people don't read
[07:07:45] <alex_21> Is it In Braille, lol Smiley
[07:08:00] <roe_> reading is for advanced users
[07:08:36] <alex_21> It says for Postfix
[07:08:39] <PatrickDK> alex, learn tcpdump and smtp
[07:08:51] <alex_21> And no, it isn't in Braille
[07:09:00] <roe_> alex_21, "...post postconf -n and relevant logs to a pastebin when asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics..."
[07:09:45] <roe_> while we may be talented postmasters, we can't divine what your issue is
[07:09:46] <alex_21> See, I don't know where that is, I'm sorry
[07:10:08] <alex_21> I got two months training on postfix, and then was on my own
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[07:10:10] <roe_> you don't know where your system logs to? you don't know how to type postconf - n into the cli?
[07:10:23] <PatrickDK> two months on postfix is a long time
[07:10:26] <f3ew> It still logs to /var/log/maillog
[07:10:36] <roe_> if you don't know how to do either of those you need to learn your unix basics
[07:10:39] <PatrickDK> I don't think I have much over a few days total
[07:11:36] <googlah> alex_21: check your logs. in there, it tells you where your mail went.
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[07:12:02] <PatrickDK> googlah, probably doesn't
[07:12:19] <PatrickDK> as it *sounds* like a receiving email issue, and the new firewall not portforwarding correctly
[07:12:42] <PatrickDK> or the postfix box isn't setup to use the firewall as a gateway, or something
[07:12:44] <PatrickDK> who knows :)
[07:12:54] <googlah> PatrickDK: Well, if port isn't forwarded correctly, the logs say nothing, ofc.
[07:13:00] <alex_21> It is receiving
[07:13:11] <alex_21> I mean it is not receiveing
[07:13:29] <PatrickDK> but it sends?
[07:13:30] <alex_21> It is connectable at fried-rice.vipbc.org port 22
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[07:13:53] <roe_> you're telling us to connect via ssh?
[07:14:06] <alex_21> No, it doesn't send, but that is a different story
[07:14:20] <alex_21> It is connectable at fried-rice.vipbc.org port 25
[07:14:23] <PatrickDK> hmm, something at that ip responds tp smtp
[07:14:43] <alex_21> Sorry, I meant 25, because that isn't the problem
[07:15:25] * roe_ is waiting for logs
[07:15:29] <alex_21> It seemed to be dns, but I fixed that
[07:15:47] * googlah thinks it's a firewall issue.
[07:15:59] <PatrickDK> it accepts email
[07:16:10] <PatrickDK> so your logs have to tell you everything
[07:16:22] <alex_21> Where, please to I find the logs. I am brand new to this. I am VIP, so unfortunately it takes a little longer to learn visually
[07:16:34] <PatrickDK> alex, can't help you with the logs
[07:16:43] <PatrickDK> every os and distro puts them in different places
[07:16:48] <PatrickDK> though /var/log is a good place to start
[07:17:02] <alex_21> Ok, I'll look in the webmin. I'll have a listen to it
[07:17:13] <alex_21> It isn't accessible to me, but I'll try
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[07:22:03] <ChrisC35> I'm getting this message in my mail queue, after sending out a mail out (to a strictly opted in list) , looks like to shaw.ca mails: 	delivery temporarily suspended: host idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net[64.59.134.8] refused to talk to me: 554-idcmail.shaw.ca 554 Your connection from 64.15.152.219 has been rejected due to poor reputation.
[07:22:06] <ChrisC35> what does that mean?
[07:22:12] <alex_21> Hey, something interesting. It is receiving mail, the messages are just being queued
[07:23:05] <ChrisC35> looks like its affecting lots of other tlds as well: delivery temporarily suspended: host mx1.mts.net[142.161.130.101] refused to talk to me: 554-mx1.mts.net 554 Access to this email system has been rejected due to the sending MTA's (Hostname=ip-64-15-152-219.static.privatedns.com IP address=64.15.152.219) poor reputation score. Your current email server reputaion can be viewed at http://www.senderbase.org/.
[07:23:07] <roe_> alex_21, they are in the defer queue?
[07:23:32] <alex_21> I think so
[07:23:41] <roe_> ChrisC35, senderbase.org seems to be your answer
[07:24:13] <roe_> alex_21, ok, good then there will *definitely* be logs regarding why
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[07:26:41] <alex_21> Senderbase.org seems to be whos answer?
[07:27:00] <roe_> ChrisC35's
[07:27:13] <alex_21> I can't check the logs vi the web interface because of the inaccessibility
[07:27:36] <alex_21> Anyone here on Shaw Cable
[07:28:29] <roe_> alex_21, I understand your ability to troubleshoot this problem is limited, but ours is even more so.  There are lots of reasons why messages might be in a defered queue, with *no* information to go on, we can't help
[07:31:07] <alex_21> I found an error log in the the web interface, but I'll need to talk to a sighted admin to figure out what that says and post back here
[07:31:29] <roe_> someone will be here
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[07:31:58] <ChrisC35> ya i'm on shaw
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[07:32:21] <hans67521> hi i am having an issue
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[07:32:42] <alex_21> <ChrisC35> So am I. What are you trying to do that is giving you trouble?
[07:32:53] <PatrickDK> alex_21, you can't run postqueue?
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[07:33:20] <hans67521> i am using postfix a my mail gateway which is forwording mail to my internal server
[07:33:21] <alex_21> Yes, but this isn't normal postfix
[07:33:36] <PatrickDK> heh, screw that :)
[07:33:58] <hans67521> all incoming mail that goes thru the postfix goes to the internal with a from address postmaster@myhostname
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[07:34:58] <alex_21> Hey, I can run postqueue as Zimbra user, so what should I type
[07:35:27] <ChrisC35> alex_21 well i have one customer that has a large email membership base, and we send regular mailouts - it is all membership joined by customers, opted in. So unless my server is hacked, then i'm not sure why i have a poor reputation all of a sudden.
[07:35:32] <hans67521> so i sends two mails in the queue
[07:36:01] <alex_21> So you can send mail <ChrisC35>
[07:36:10] <hans67521> the one that postfix accepts and sends as postmaster and then another to the user
[07:36:11] <ChrisC35> I havent removed bounced invalid emails in quite some time, not sure if that could have caused it
[07:36:23] <alex_21> How should I use Postqueue
[07:37:03] <ChrisC35> alex_21 yes I have just sent out 23000 mails, and there are aobut 3000 that are not sending with these poor reputation messages... seems shaw.ca mails are effected, and some others
[07:37:40] <alex_21> Oh, great
[07:38:03] <alex_21> What kind of account are you using <ChrisC35>
[07:38:18] <alex_21> Customer or buisness
[07:38:56] <alex_21> How do I use postqueue to find out what is wrong?
[07:39:16] <ChrisC35> alex_21 I'm not sure what you mean by account
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[07:40:23] <alex_21> <ChrisC35> Do you have a Shaw Buisness abount or a residential account?
[07:40:52] <ChrisC35> residential
[07:41:22] <alex_21> So how on earth do you send E-mail from your sever. Mine won't do that
[07:41:26] <alex_21> Server
[07:42:10] <PatrickDK> it doesn't matter that everyone opted in, or what not
[07:42:12] <ChrisC35> oh i thought you were talking about my home internet account. For my business I have a real server at a databank
[07:42:27] <PatrickDK> you get poor reputation for spam looking email, and how many people that email goes to
[07:42:39] <roe_> senderbase.org doesn't like your mailserver, you need to take it up with them
[07:43:18] <ChrisC35> PatrickDK one of their emails has a large image at the top, which I've reccomended against, so they just added text below to improve the image/text ratio. Maybe that is the reason?
[07:43:37] <alex_21> <ChrisC35> I thought you ran this from home, Oops, my bad
[07:43:43] <PatrickDK> it would defently contribute to the harm
[07:43:50] <ChrisC35> well how would I find out?
[07:43:57] <ChrisC35> seems like swinging in the dark
[07:44:02] <PatrickDK> it's hard to know for sure
[07:44:05] <ChrisC35> how would i find out the actual problem
[07:44:16] <PatrickDK> unless you run your own spam detection, and pass that stuff through them
[07:44:16] <alex_21> Patric, how do I use Postqueue
[07:44:32] <PatrickDK> you type postqueue, and it bitchs about how it's suppost to be used
[07:44:36] <ChrisC35> my mail server uses spamassasin
[07:44:37] <alex_21> Hey, I always swing in the dark, Lol
[07:44:37] <PatrickDK> normally like, postqueue -p
[07:44:46] <ChrisC35> i always send to myself and it gets thru
[07:45:03] <PatrickDK> normally basic spamassassin doesn't filter much
[07:45:24] <alex_21> It is fun to swing in the dark. What choice do I really have? Lol
[07:45:28] <PatrickDK> you probably want to atleast add in razor, dcc
[07:45:38] <ChrisC35> razor?
[07:45:38] <PatrickDK> and can't think of them spamninja guys right now
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[07:45:49] <PatrickDK> chris, google
[07:45:57] <ChrisC35> i need to hire a mail network guy
[07:46:47] <PatrickDK> personally, I put all customers I have that send emails I dont like, like those, out via their own ip
[07:46:55] <alex_21> Last login: Mon Dec  1 21:40:09 on ttys000
[07:46:55] <alex_21> Alex-MacBook-2:~ alex$ ssh spatula at 192 dot 168.0.1
[07:46:55] <alex_21> spatula at 192 dot 168.0.1's password:
[07:46:55] <alex_21> Linux fried-rice 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 22:56:21 UTC 2008 i686
[07:46:55] <alex_21> The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
[07:46:55] <alex_21> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
[07:46:57] <alex_21> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
[07:46:59] <alex_21> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
[07:47:00] <PatrickDK> so it doesn't affect my more friendly customers
[07:47:01] <alex_21> applicable law.
[07:47:03] <alex_21> To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
[07:47:05] <alex_21> http://help.ubuntu.com/
[07:47:07] <alex_21> Last login: Mon Dec  1 21:40:47 2008 from alex-macbook-2.local
[07:47:09] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:~$ sudo vi /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.2.9/conf/main.cf
[07:47:09] <roe_> alex_21, don't do that
[07:47:11] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:~$ cd /opt/zimbra/
[07:47:13] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:/opt/zimbra$ ls
[07:47:15] <alex_21> amavisd               libexec
[07:47:19] <PatrickDK> what the fuck is all this crap?
[07:47:19] <alex_21> amavisd-new-2.5.4     log
[07:47:19] <growltiger> OMFG
[07:47:21] <growltiger> STOP
[07:47:21] <alex_21> aspell-0.60.6         logger
[07:47:23] <alex_21> backup                mailboxd
[07:47:25] <alex_21> bin                   mysql
[07:47:27] <alex_21> clamav                mysql-standard-5.0.51a-pc-linux-gnu-i686-glibc23
[07:47:29] <alex_21> clamav-0.93.3         net-snmp-5.4.1
[07:47:31] <alex_21> conf                  openldap
[07:47:32] <ChrisC35> alex_21 stop spamming the channel
[07:47:33] <alex_21> config.10255          openldap-2.3.42.8z
[07:47:35] <alex_21> contrib               openldap-clibs
[07:47:37] <alex_21> convertd              openldap-clibs-2.3.42.8z
[07:47:39] <alex_21> curl                  openldap-data
[07:47:41] <alex_21> curl-7.18.1           openssl
[07:47:43] <alex_21> cyrus-sasl            openssl-0.9.8g
[07:47:44] <growltiger> still on the c's
[07:47:45] <alex_21> cyrus-sasl-2.1.22.3z  postfix
[07:47:49] <alex_21> data                  postfix-2.4.7.5z
[07:47:51] <alex_21> db                    redolog
[07:47:52] <ChrisC35> wth
[07:47:53] <growltiger> gonna be a while till z
[07:47:53] <alex_21> doc                   sleepycat
[07:47:55] <alex_21> dspam                 sleepycat-4.2.52.6
[07:47:57] <alex_21> dspam-3.8.0           snmp
[07:47:59] <alex_21> fbqueue               ssl
[07:48:01] <alex_21> heimdal               store
[07:48:03] <alex_21> heimdal-1.2           tcmalloc
[07:48:05] <alex_21> httpd                 tcmalloc-0.97
[07:48:07] <alex_21> httpd-2.2.8           wiki
[07:48:09] <alex_21> index                 zimbramon
[07:48:09] <PatrickDK> atleast it's two columns :) twice as fast
[07:48:11] <alex_21> java                  zimlets
[07:48:13] <alex_21> jdk1.5.0_15           zimlets-admin-extra
[07:48:15] <alex_21> jetty                 zimlets-experimental
[07:48:19] <alex_21> jetty-6.1.5           zimlets-extra
[07:48:21] <alex_21> lib                   zmstat
[07:48:23] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:/opt/zimbra$ sudo vi /opt/zimbra/postfix-2.4.7.5z/conf/main.cf
[07:48:25] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:/opt/zimbra$ sudo postconf - n[sudo] password for spatula:
[07:48:26] <roe_> where is an op when you need him
[07:48:27] <alex_21> sudo: postconf: command not found
[07:48:29] <alex_21> spatula@fried-rice:/opt/zimbra$ sudo su -
[07:48:31] <alex_21> [sudo] password for spatula:
[07:48:33] <alex_21> root@fried-rice:~# su - zimbra
[07:48:35] <alex_21> zimbra@fried-rice:~$ postqueue
[07:48:37] <alex_21> postqueue: fatal: usage: postqueue -f | postqueue -i queueid | postqueue -p | postqueue -s site
[07:48:39] <alex_21> zimbra@fried-rice:~$ postqueue -p
[07:48:43] <alex_21> D1DE4A8425F     1773 Sun Nov 30 16:17:00  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:48:45] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:48:49] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:48:51] <alex_21> 5F862A84279     1800 Sun Nov 30 16:46:56  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:48:53] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:48:55] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:48:55] <ChrisC35> PatrickDK you have each of your customers with their own IP?
[07:48:57] <alex_21> 5A7CFA8423F     3840 Sat Nov 29 20:28:38  soma.ali+caf_=soma.ali=vipbc.org at visionmail dot uni.cc
[07:48:59] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:49:01] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:49:01] <jeev> alex
[07:49:03] <alex_21> 5AAA0A84256     1628 Fri Nov 28 01:10:27  zimbra at fried-rice dot homelinux.net
[07:49:03] <jeev> use pastebin.com dood
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[07:49:07] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:49:09] <alex_21> EEE92A8425D     1579 Sat Nov 29 01:10:26  zimbra at fried-rice dot homelinux.net
[07:49:10] <PatrickDK> ChrisC35, nope, too many customers for that
[07:49:11] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:49:13] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:49:15] <alex_21> ECA18A84276     2629 Sat Nov 29 22:02:34  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:49:18] <PatrickDK> I basically just group them into classes
[07:49:19] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:49:21] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:49:23] <alex_21> 1792AA84255     1579 Thu Nov 27 01:10:16  zimbra at fried-rice dot homelinux.net
[07:49:24] <jeev> i can't believe this jizzbucket pasted all this
[07:49:25] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:49:27] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:49:29] <alex_21> 1CF15A8426D     2637 Sat Nov 29 20:49:06  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:49:31] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:49:33] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:49:35] <alex_21> 1F870A84283     1822 Mon Dec  1 01:10:27  zimbra at fried-rice dot homelinux.net
[07:49:37] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:49:39] <ChrisC35> PatrickDK I supposed I should setup a new mail server witha  different IP then , for custotmers like that?
[07:49:39] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:49:41] <alex_21> 7E383A8426F     2647 Sat Nov 29 21:10:48  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:49:43] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:49:45] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:49:49] <alex_21> 9771EA84261     2668 Sat Nov 29 20:28:34  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:49:51] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:49:53] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:49:55] <alex_21> 9ADE5A84284     2629 Mon Dec  1 20:57:03  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:49:57] <jeev> wow
[07:49:57] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:49:59] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:50:01] <alex_21> 978ADA84260     3886 Mon Dec  1 02:52:34  soma.ali+caf_=soma.ali=vipbc.org at visionmail dot uni.cc
[07:50:01] <jeev> GRADE A DOUCHEBAG
[07:50:03] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:50:05] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:50:05] <PatrickDK> ChrisC35, it would help, the problem is, making the old ip reputation better will take a long time
[07:50:06] <googlah> :S
[07:50:07] <alex_21> 0D88BA84281     2607 Sun Nov 30 16:49:40  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:50:09] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:50:11] <PatrickDK> I would setup the new ip for your good people
[07:50:11] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:50:13] <alex_21> 2899DA84245     2632 Mon Dec  1 21:31:19  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:50:15] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:50:19] <googlah> please don't paste in here
[07:50:19] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:50:21] <alex_21> 28F92A8426B     3908 Sat Nov 29 21:26:54  soma.ali+caf_=soma.ali=vipbc.org at visionmail dot uni.cc
[07:50:23] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:50:23] <jeev> dood
[07:50:25] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:50:25] <jeev> just ignore him
[07:50:27] <alex_21> 862C3A84274     2630 Sat Nov 29 22:02:28  asquared21 at gmail dot com
[07:50:29] <alex_21>                                                   (mail transport unavailable)
[07:50:31] <alex_21>                                          soma.ali at vipbc dot org
[07:50:33] <alex_21> 83FAAA840E4     1096 Mon Dec  1 22:17:58  patrickdk+testing at patrickdk dot com
[07:50:35] <alex_21>        (connect to fried-rice.homelinux.net[70.70.15.143]: Connection refused)
[07:50:37] <alex_21>                                          admin at vipbc dot org
[07:50:41] <alex_21> zimbra@fried-rice:~$
[07:50:43] <alex_21> Sorry for flooding, I couldn't find pastebin
[07:50:45] <alex_21> <jeev> Please don't call me that. i'm blind for goodness sakes, I missed the thing about pastebin
[07:50:59] <PatrickDK> couldn't find pastebin?
[07:51:00] <ChrisC35> PatrickDK the old IP is my main server, for the hosting of my customers with my product. I can use another server for all mail though. But will this effect anything other than mail?
[07:51:04] <PatrickDK> there are thousands of them
[07:51:23] <PatrickDK> ChrisC35, this only affects OUTGOING email
[07:51:30] <alex_21> I couldn't find it, is that a crime?
[07:51:35] <PatrickDK> yes
[07:51:41] <ChrisC35> alex_21 really, you are lucky you didnt get banned
[07:51:45] <PatrickDK> type pastebin into google
[07:51:48] <alex_21> Blind fold yourself and suddenly finding a good paste bin isn't so easy
[07:52:06] <PatrickDK> I default to pastebin.ca
[07:52:12] <PatrickDK> easy to remember
[07:52:15] <f3ew> like pastebin.org or rafb.net/paste/ ?
[07:53:25] <googlah> Well, to see from your logs, mail_transport seem unconfigured alex_21. Look at that.
[07:54:08] <alex_21> Here it is in Pastebin, thanks for Pastebin.ca
[07:54:10] <alex_21> http://pastebin.ca/1273209
[07:54:57] <alex_21> Being blind makes it hard to scrowl through so much on the web. Anyone know where to find mail transport
[07:55:15] <roe_> !transport
[07:55:16] <knoba> roe_: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[07:55:42] <alex_21> I'm not helpless, just preasured and not as fast with my web searching
[07:56:29] <googlah> sry, alex_21. ;)  But yeah, look at "mail transport" in your main.cf file.
[07:57:49] <ChrisC35> just tested my uplink speed and it came out to 911 kbs
[07:57:54] <ChrisC35> that is a bad sign
[07:58:04] <roe_> how much you paying for?
[07:59:00] <alex_21> Ok, I'll sort that out tommorrow
[07:59:06] <alex_21> Good night all
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[07:59:13] <ChrisC35> PatrickDK the message says 'temporary' .. does this mean its not a permenant ban, and the mail will get through eventually?
[07:59:32] <roe_> it means it will be retried
[07:59:33] <ChrisC35> delivery temporarily suspended: host idcmail-mx2no.cg.shawcable.net[64.59.134.8] refused to talk to me: 554-idcmail.shaw.ca 554 Your connection from 64.15.152.219 has been rejected due to poor reputation.
[08:00:00] <roe_> 554 - permanent error
[08:00:03] <ChrisC35> so the email will not get thru then
[08:00:09] <PatrickDK> ChrisC35, it could mean anything
[08:00:22] <PatrickDK> when they say temp, they could mean 1h, 1day, 1week, 1 year
[08:00:29] <PatrickDK> you won't know unless you call them and ask
[08:00:44] <ChrisC35> ok well i will do that then
[08:00:46] <PatrickDK> in your case, it's till your reputation gets better :)
[08:01:15] <ChrisC35> we've been sending these for like 2 years
[08:01:20] <roe_> that specific message will not be tried again
[08:01:21] <ChrisC35> never had a problem before
[08:01:43] <roe_> things are very mutable, especially in the email domain
[08:02:07] <PatrickDK> ya, new company comes in and sells them a new filtering package
[08:02:09] <rob0> roe, yes it will, because 554 is not a valid banner greeting. Postfix will retry it.
[08:02:17] <ChrisC35> ya i should put customers that want to do this on their own ip, and put them in a VM and send from that
[08:02:45] <ChrisC35> or can a mail server on an IP use different ip's for different accounts?
[08:03:19] <PatrickDK> ChrisC35, the way I do it is with sender based transport
[08:03:40] <ChrisC35> how is that done?
[08:03:48] <PatrickDK> so senders email addresses I put in my db, get routed to the mailserver that is listed for them
[08:04:23] <PatrickDK> sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[08:04:29] <ChrisC35> but i would have to have a separate mail server on its own machine, using its own ip then right?
[08:04:42] <PatrickDK> not really
[08:04:46] <ChrisC35> if I wanted to use a specific ip for mail from that customer's domain?
[08:04:51] <ChrisC35> or I could use VMs?
[08:04:56] <PatrickDK> what you need is a different postfix mailqueue, and bind the smtp to a different ip
[08:05:10] <PatrickDK> I personally have 8 postfix's all installed on the same vm
[08:05:13] <ChrisC35> on the same server then, i can share those?
[08:05:22] <ChrisC35> cool
[08:05:48] <PatrickDK> there is several config changes you have to do for that
[08:06:00] <ChrisC35> but if I set up a new IP for them to send mail on, but the domain is still the same, it will still inherit the same reputation?
[08:06:04] <PatrickDK> mainly setting ip's for everything, and different mailqueues
[08:06:26] <PatrickDK> it's an rbl list
[08:06:34] <PatrickDK> rbl's create reputations via ip
[08:06:47] <ChrisC35> you'd think they'd use domain
[08:06:52] <PatrickDK> how broad of a ip block gets affected depends on them
[08:06:57] <ChrisC35> then all you have to do is change the ip to get around it
[08:07:01] <PatrickDK> using domain is almost impossible
[08:07:13] <PatrickDK> people do it
[08:07:19] <ChrisC35> oh they will block a whole range of IP's
[08:07:19] <PatrickDK> but it isn't hardly as reliable
[08:07:29] <PatrickDK> some block whole ip ranges
[08:07:43] <PatrickDK> normally people don't ever use those rbl's
[08:07:48] <PatrickDK> cause they block too much ligit stuff
[08:08:02] <ChrisC35> well i guess shaw is using it
[08:08:15] <PatrickDK> shaw should be using their own list
[08:08:20] <PatrickDK> or paying someone for their list
[08:08:34] <ChrisC35> most of these emails not getting thru seem to be shaw.ca
[08:09:23] <PatrickDK> hotmail is always fun when they ban you :)
[08:09:29] <PatrickDK> they ban you for 4 hours
[08:09:43] <ChrisC35> wow thats light
[08:09:44] <PatrickDK> if doing that 4 hours, you attempt to send them a single email, the ban is extended
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[08:10:09] <PatrickDK> during
[08:10:10] <ChrisC35> lol - so if you are sending out 2000 hotmail emails, you could end up with a lifetime ban
[08:10:12] <roe_> black/white lists are always a good topic for centralization/decentralization
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[08:10:48] <PatrickDK> ya, I'm running two whitelists, and 3 blacklists on my servers
[08:11:11] <ChrisC35> well for tonight I will put my head in the sand, and play fallout 3
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[08:31:46] <roe_> morning in europe?
[08:35:13] <Zborg> yep
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[08:49:41] <cedric33> hi is it possible with "header_checks" to create two condition ? one to see the domain name and the second to see if it's taged spam ? thanks
[08:50:26] <rob0> no, you only check one header at a time.
[08:50:47] <cedric33> rob0 : the best solution is to use procmail  ?
[08:51:40] * hparker checks rob0's header
[08:51:57] <cedric33> :)
[08:52:14] <rob0> hparker, what IS the best solution? Vodka and orange juice?
[08:52:35] <f3ew> No OJ
[08:52:36] <hparker> I prefer bourbon, but vodka and oj works too
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[08:52:56] <rob0> Vodka and vodka ... nice!
[08:53:03] * f3ew is turning into a whisky fan
[08:53:17] <hparker> mmMmm
[08:53:19] <f3ew> 30 yo Scotch is good stuff
[08:53:48] <hparker> I can't keep it around for 30 years
[08:53:56] <hparker> Well, I could now... But..
[08:54:02] <f3ew> It's already been kept around for 30 years
[08:54:15] <f3ew> whisky doesn't mature once bottled
[08:54:45] <hparker> It stays in my barrels :P
[08:55:03] <hparker> j/k
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[08:55:36] <f3ew> heh
[08:57:57] <kuja> lol
[08:58:36] <hparker> I don't live that far out in BFE
[08:58:55] <f3ew> Double barreled whisky!
[08:58:58] <hparker> Though I do know a couple that do cook their own
[08:59:23] <hparker> mmmm
[08:59:42] <rob0> These days I think you could get away with it ... the "law" focuses on "illegal drugs".
[09:00:31] <hparker> Yeah
[09:00:44] <hparker> It's easier to spot pot fields from a helo
[09:01:41] <rob0> I just have a feeling that they wouldn't even care, unless you were selling it at a roadside stand. :)
[09:02:09] <hparker> heh
[09:02:33] <jeev> rob0, i think you've been awake for a month now
[09:02:35] <hparker> Put it in the back of the truck next to the melons and pumpkins
[09:02:46] <rob0> "Lemonade $1, with whiskey, $5"
[09:03:45] <famicom> ugh
[09:03:50] <famicom> drugs?
[09:03:53] <famicom> i love drugs
[09:04:00] <famicom> what kind of drugs are we talking about
[09:04:19] <rob0> ethanol, at the moment
[09:04:39] <famicom> oh
[09:04:44] <famicom> that's a shitty drug
[09:06:07] <f3ew> famicom, depends on who is paying
[09:06:21] <f3ew> and for what
[09:06:26] <famicom> most likely your liver
[09:06:45] <f3ew> your body always pays
[09:07:28] <hparker> rob0: In all honesty I've drank twice since Labor Day... got to be too much
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[09:08:32] <famicom> yeah, f3ew but compared to the "how good is the high/damage" ratio alchohol ranks somewhere around the likes of "Huffing diesel"
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[09:09:29] <f3ew> famicom, good code gives me a bigger high
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[09:09:40] <famicom> try coding while high
[09:10:47] <famicom> if anything, it will increase your quality of code
[09:10:55] <famicom> as well as improve your overall productivity
[09:11:04] <f3ew> famicom, not really
[09:11:45] <robtone_> this sounds more like a lame esxcuse for taking drugs .-)
[09:12:08] <f3ew> robtone_, my only real drug is coffee
[09:12:21] * robtone_ tries to switch to tea
[09:12:46] <famicom> robtone_ there shouldnt be any reason to needing an excuse
[09:13:05] <Lap_64> f3ew,  do not lie
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[09:13:16] <robtone_> famicom, I am sorry, I am just sick of druggers, ok :-) they too much try to manipulate my children.
[09:13:16] <Lap_64> f3ew,  you have told me other day you had LSD
[09:13:25] <Lap_64> lols
[09:13:31] <famicom> hahah
[09:13:42] <famicom> yeah, damn pushers selling crack to preschoolers
[09:14:49] <robtone_> it's not just that - its also your and others remarks like "coding high, makes code better" on some boards etc, you know, kids believe this crap.
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[09:15:30] <famicom> mostlyu because it's true
[09:15:56] <robtone_> in your world.
[09:15:59] <robtone_> EOD.
[09:17:36] <famicom> fine, if you want to one of those ignorant people, go right ahead. just blindly ignore the fact that you probably drug your kids with Ritalin(tm), that your wife is on paxil, and that she's prolly hooked to Xanax as well
[09:17:46] <f3ew> Not true for me
[09:18:14] <robtone_> EOD, and never make assumptions.
[09:19:20] <famicom> You cannot just make a remark on something then "EOD" it away just so your arguments cannot be invalidated
[09:20:44] <famicom> and if your kids are messed up on drugs, that's just Your failing as a parent, not someone else
[09:20:46] <famicom> but fine EOD
[09:21:01] <hparker> No, but I can say this has strayed far enough off topic long enough
[09:21:28] <famicom> agreed
[09:21:47] <famicom> can anyone comment on the quality of the VDA quota patches
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[10:14:32] <stockholm> hi
[10:15:17] <stockholm> how can i rewrite outgoing cron mails send to root? i want them to have a different to: address: operations+cron@blah
[10:15:46] <f3ew> man 5 crontab, see MAILTO
[10:15:54] <stockholm> ohhh
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[13:42:42] <phil___> hy where does i find the quarantine directory?
[13:43:25] <phil___> how can i tell my spamassasin  (amavis) not to forward it to the quarantine but in the INBOX ?
[13:57:13] <phil___> can anybody help ma?
[14:03:24] <phil___> even i used $final_spam_destiny = D_Pass; in amavis my spam goes into quarantine
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[14:23:52] <bluethundr> Hi postfix guys
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[14:24:00] <bluethundr> I'm having this weird problem
[14:24:19] <bluethundr> I seem to have more than one mail store on my system
[14:24:41] <bluethundr> when I am pretty sure I clearly state to use Maildir in the main.cf file
[14:25:09] <bluethundr> and while I for some reason have mail messages in Maildir,
[14:25:32] <bluethundr> the active mailbox on my machine seems to be /var/spool/mail/username
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[14:27:40] <hans67521> hi all
[14:27:48] <hans67521> can someone please assist me with postfix
[14:28:29] <hans67521> i am using postfix as my mail gateway to relay mail to my internal mail server
[14:29:08] <hans67521> but postfix accepts mail and then relays to my mailserver as postmaster at mydomain dot com
[14:29:50] <shasta> hmpf
[14:29:59] <hans67521> the users can see who sends the mail but my mailserver treats it as two emails
[14:30:29] <hans67521> ?
[14:30:37] <bluethundr> now, I'm a postfix novice. but I _think_ you need to edit your /etc/aliases file
[14:30:50] <hans67521> ?
[14:31:05] <hans67521> postfix queue one email as two
[14:31:18] <hans67521> how will the aliases help?
[14:31:24] <bluethundr> oh I didn't notice that
[14:31:35] <bluethundr> nevermind :)
[14:32:17] <hans67521> can i show you an example
[14:34:05] <bluethundr> I'd say "yeah" but unfortunately I'm a beginner here.. so I doubt if I'd be much help. I'm mainly here to clear some mysteries with my own mail
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[14:34:42] <bluethundr> I hope when I get better at this, I can come back and repay the favor by being a contributing member, but I'm afraid that's a way off
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[14:44:53] <hans67521> can anybody help?
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[15:27:17] <x2on> hi
[15:28:26] <x2on> im working on the MTA howto, but cant get clamav-daemon from volatile working
[15:28:43] <x2on> LibClamAV Warning: ***  This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated.     ***
[15:29:01] <x2on> any ideas?
[15:30:05] <Trengo> you need a newer clamav for that to go away?
[15:30:22] <x2on> should i compile it from sources or is there any new package?
[15:30:30] <Trengo> although thats a warning, not an error, your version is still supported, it seems
[15:30:33] <sysmonk> is that a postfix issue?
[15:30:37] <sysmonk> or is that your distro issue?
[15:31:11] <x2on> its a problem from the distro ;)
[15:31:24] <sysmonk> aha...
[15:31:29] <sysmonk> and you're asking in #postfix?
[15:31:33] <sysmonk> because postfix is your distro?
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[16:01:25] <Skinkie> Probably a stupid question; but is it possible to send mail without an inet_interface tied to the external interface? What I would like to do is not listen externally but listen interally
[16:01:45] <Skinkie> I have tried the above and mail sending seems to be impossible
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[16:04:44] <lunaphyte_> Skinkie: why don't you want to listen on a physical interface?
[16:05:28] <Skinkie> won't it bind to 0.0.0.0 then?
[16:05:43] <lunaphyte_> why don't you want to listen on a physical interface?
[16:06:04] <Skinkie> because the machine is only sending email, forum to deliver 'private' messages
[16:06:12] <Skinkie> the normal mail server is another machine
[16:06:29] <lunaphyte_> you shouldn't use postfix for that task.
[16:06:43] <lunaphyte_> it's overkill and unneccesary.
[16:06:49] <Skinkie> better suggestions :)
[16:08:28] <lunaphyte_> a mail submission agent, like ssmtp or esmtp
[16:10:01] <Skinkie> but that still requires a smarthost right?
[16:10:34] <lunaphyte_> if by smarthost you mean relayhost, yes.
[16:10:52] <Skinkie> so postfix or something else still need to run somewhere :)
[16:11:11] <magyar> are you guys getting hosed with junk in the past week or so?
[16:11:12] <lunaphyte_> you said: "the normal mail server is another machine"
[16:11:21] <magyar> morning
[16:11:40] <Skinkie> yes even on a completely different network
[16:11:52] <Skinkie> so now postfix for this service is just saying relaying denied
[16:12:01] <lunaphyte_> lukckily for us, the internet is pretty well interconnected.
[16:12:05] <Skinkie> and i don't want to bother to put a firewall in front of it :)
[16:12:18] <lunaphyte_> firewall?
[16:12:28] <lunaphyte_> why would you do that?
[16:12:41] <Skinkie> i don't want incomming port 25 connections
[16:13:26] <lunaphyte_> how could you have a "normal mail server" that didn't accept traffic on port 25?
[16:13:50] <Skinkie> because on my internal network i do accept poort 25
[16:13:50] <f3ew> lunaphyte_, an outbound only host
[16:13:58] <Skinkie> f3ew: exactly
[16:14:26] <sysmonk> isn't that as simple as inet_interfaces = localhost ?
[16:14:36] <f3ew> sysmonk, amongst other options
[16:14:39] <Skinkie> and when i tried to configure that by inet_interfaces = 192.168.0.1 it doesn't deliver to the outside network
[16:14:44] <lunaphyte_> f3ew: sure, but that's not covered on day 1 of how to be a good mail admin.
[16:14:45] <f3ew> Alternatively, comment out smtpd in master.cf
[16:15:39] <Skinkie> f3ew: if i comment it out there; it will not work on the inside network too right?
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[16:17:59] <PatrickDK> skinkie, your suppost to modify smtpd, not add inet_interfaces
[16:18:14] <PatrickDK> change smtp  inet n - - - - smtpd
[16:18:24] <PatrickDK> to  192.168.0.1:smtp  inet n - - - - smtpd
[16:18:53] <Skinkie> Is there something we newbie users document our questions for postfix?
[16:22:33] <Skinkie> PatrickDK: thank you very much :) it works now totally as I would like to see it :)
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[16:59:50] <fluxdude> is it possible to have postfix answer for 2 domains? I am using vmaps for my regular domain which is also set at mydomain but I now need to have aliases for another domain as well in order to pipe emails to an automated process...
[17:00:14] <fluxdude> the aliases file says it only allows aliases for the local domain, but this is set to the primary, now what do I do for the secondary?
[17:00:14] <Roobarb> postfix can be the destination server  for any number of domains
[17:00:24] <Roobarb> virtual_alias_maps
[17:00:31] <fluxdude> Roobarb: ah, ok, thx
[17:00:33] <Roobarb> along with virtual_alias_domains
[17:00:36] <fluxdude> will look that up
[17:05:17] <PatrickDK> heh, I always hated virtual_alias_domains, it always gets me in trouble
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[17:06:24] <PatrickDK> oh virtual_alias_domains assumes the same users for all domains doesn't it
[17:06:32] <PatrickDK> I was thinking virtual_mailbox_domains
[17:09:29] <rob0> virtual_alias_domains says "I am the MX for these domains, and all addresses therefor are listed in virtual_alias_maps".
[17:10:08] <rob0> s/alias/mailbox/g too
[17:11:45] <PatrickDK> dunno, I could never get it to work right, ended up just using the whole user@domain for all users and domains in virtualmaps
[17:15:31] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: yeah, that's what I've just done, but I actually need the alias not the mailbox.
[17:15:52] <fluxdude> I need to get aliases working so that I can pipe to a process instead of sending the email to a mailbox
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[17:17:42] <rob0> That's only local(8) aliases(5). You can't do that with virtual(5) aliases.
[17:17:57] <PatrickDK> ya, you have to map the virtual alias to a normal alias
[17:18:08] <PatrickDK> then have the normal alias do the piping
[17:18:25] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: using virtual alias maps to call something at domainB dot com something at domainA dot com you mean?
[17:19:01] <rob0> The target address' domain must be in mydestination.
[17:19:02] <PatrickDK> you want someone at domain dot com to run |/myscript
[17:19:31] <PatrickDK> where someone at domain dot com is in the virtual alias file?
[17:19:34] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: yes but I need to answer for someone at domainB dot com instead
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[17:19:48] <PatrickDK> fluxdude, stop this
[17:19:56] <PatrickDK> one questions at a time, don't fucking mix up questions
[17:20:14] <fluxdude> still the same question I thought
[17:20:23] <PatrickDK> first, for someone@domainb and someone@domaina, I dunno, I normally put two entries in my virtual alias file
[17:20:25] <PatrickDK> one for each
[17:20:38] <rob0> !address_classes
[17:20:38] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
[17:20:54] <rob0> ^^ might explain it better to both
[17:25:56] <PatrickDK> ah, so basically, vitual_alias os just alias file for virtual people, assumed :)
[17:26:10] <PatrickDK> and virtual_mailbox is for local delievery of virtual users
[17:26:42] <PatrickDK> but either way, fluxdude needs virtial_alias to do what he wants
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[17:31:36] <rob0> Possibly BOTH virtual aliases AND local aliases, although you can deliver to a system user without an alias, and have that user run a command.
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[17:39:13] <PatrickDK> yep
[17:39:33] <PatrickDK> what he needs is, two virtual_aliases, one for each domain, pointing at a single alias, that runs the command
[17:39:37] <fluxdude> I used virtual aliases to map user at domainB dot com to user at domainA dot com which is mydestination but then I need it to go through the alias file to be piped to process but it doesn't work, I just get unknown user after if redirects to user at domainA dot com because there is no mailbox for that user, and the alias file is obviously not being respected
[17:40:03] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: how do I make that single alias that is pointed to work though...
[17:40:55] <PatrickDK> are you sure you put it in the alias file? and ran newaliases?
[17:41:29] <PatrickDK> if so, your going have to paste those lines from alias and virtial_alias files
[17:42:44] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: yes definitely, I wrote a scripted deploy so it is definitely applied each time
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[17:43:01] <fluxdude> it's simple
[17:43:55] <fluxdude> in alias I wrote "name: |/path/to/process" and in virtual_alias_maps file I wrote "name at domainB dot com name at domainA dot com" where the alias file usually works for name at domainA dot com
[17:44:21] <fluxdude> virtual_alias_maps bit works, the thing goes off to user at domainA dot com, so far so good.
[17:44:49] <PatrickDK> I dunno about that in postfix, I know that works in sendmail
[17:45:00] <PatrickDK> change name at domainB dot com name
[17:45:03] <fluxdude> but the postfix says user at domainA dot com is not known, since there is no corresponding mailbox and the alias hasn't redirected it to /path/to/process
[17:45:05] <PatrickDK> instead of pointed to domainA
[17:45:26] <PatrickDK> maybe multideep aliases aren't allowed? I dunno
[17:45:30] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: I tried that too without the domainA.com appended in the second word in virtual maps
[17:45:49] <fluxdude> PatrickDK: looks like it, in which case... what do I do?
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[17:46:54] <PatrickDK> dunno, you must have something wrong in your config, I know that works for me in my postfix
[17:47:02] <PatrickDK> dunno of anyway personally to break it
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[18:10:27] <_DeepBlue> which file is the postfix queue ?
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[18:11:37] <roe_> _DeepBlue, what do you mean?  /var/spool/postfix is what I believe you might be looking for
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[18:11:47] <_DeepBlue> yes
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[18:12:25] <rob0> it's a group of directories, not a single file, and it's NOT recommended to muck about therein.
[18:13:06] <_DeepBlue> yes, but I want to know where are the mails in the queue
[18:14:30] <_DeepBlue> I guess it's /var/spool/postfix/active/
[18:14:58] <rob0> that's one of them ... the "active" queue
[18:15:19] <_DeepBlue> mails in process isn't it ?
[18:15:25] <rob0> maybe "man qmgr" will have information you find useful
[18:15:51] <_DeepBlue> okay
[18:15:52] <_DeepBlue> 10x
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[18:16:55] <_DeepBlue> in your opinion, which is the best list management tool to use with postfix ?
[18:22:58] <Dominian> I use mailman
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[18:25:55] <_DeepBlue> do you know phplist ?
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[18:28:26] <Dominian> never used it
[18:28:34] <Dominian> I use mailman as it integrated quite easily into postfix
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[18:30:36] <_DeepBlue> I need a high performance tool (manage millions of mails every day ) ?
[18:30:45] <_DeepBlue> is it enough flexible ?
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[18:32:15] <Dominian> uhhh
[18:32:20] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: what are you.. a spammer>
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[18:32:34] <_DeepBlue> no
[18:32:49] <_DeepBlue> you respond a question by another :D
[18:33:39] <rob0> What are you using now? Most MLM's are MTA-agnostic.
[18:35:13] <lilsyko> guys would like to ask
[18:36:02] <lilsyko> is it possible for POSTFIX to capture all mails send by my internal LAN network and relay-it to 1 remote mail server ?
[18:37:30] <lilsyko> because my ISP blocks mails out via port 25, so i'm thinking of maybe running an internal POSTFIX server and grabbing all mails send out via port 25 using iptables and forward to another POSTFIX server via port 2525
[18:38:13] <lilsyko> any1 with any possible idea on how to get it to work do let me know
[18:38:24] <rob0> !basic
[18:38:25] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:38:36] <lilsyko> i managed to get it to work
[18:38:53] <lilsyko> i mean the relaying stuff and all but i'm stuck at 1 point here
[18:39:15] <lilsyko> i keep getting this error msg from my /var/log/mail.log file
[18:42:26] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: Are you looking for a free software solution, or a professional grade system?
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[18:43:24] <lilsyko> status=deferred (SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate
[18:43:48] <rob0> !relayhost
[18:43:48] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[18:44:58] <rob0> Is seekwill implying that free software is of lower quality than proprietary junk? How odd, if so.
[18:45:18] <seekwill> rob0: :P
[18:48:03] <_DeepBlue> seekwill: free will be better, but if a commercial solution is highly responding to demands it will fine
[18:48:08] <lilsyko> status=deferred (SASL authentication failed; cannot authenticate to server xxx.xxx.com[1.2.3.4]: no mechanism available)
[18:48:18] <lilsyko> this is the exact error msg that i get
[18:48:31] <seekwill> I doubt it's the exact error...
[18:48:33] <lilsyko> i have sasl2-bin package install via apt-get
[18:48:53] <lilsyko> anything else i'm missing?
[18:49:30] <lilsyko> warning: SASL authentication failure: No worthy mechs found
[18:50:00] <lilsyko> i guess judging by the error msg, that i'm missing something right?
[18:50:00] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: Ever seen Lyris?
[18:50:33] <_DeepBlue> yes, this morning I took a look
[18:50:56] * seekwill does not work for Lyris... :P
[18:51:11] <_DeepBlue> hehe
[18:51:18] <rob0> !tell lilsyko saslclient
[18:51:41] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: It handles large volumes nicely (so I've been told)
[18:51:47] <lilsyko> saslclient
[18:51:49] <lilsyko> hmmm
[18:51:51] <_DeepBlue> great
[18:51:57] <lilsyko> let me see if i have that
[18:52:11] <rob0> sigh
[18:52:28] <_DeepBlue> what about free solutions?
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[18:52:37] <_DeepBlue> is there something we can count on ?
[18:52:49] <seekwill> What have you evalated already?
[18:53:00] <seekwill> What are your requirements?
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[18:53:52] <lilsyko> rob0 i dont see saslclient when i do an apt-cache search saslclient
[18:54:09] <_DeepBlue> a huge number of mails (millions of clients) that we have to manage
[18:54:16] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: Millions of clients?
[18:54:20] <_DeepBlue> yes
[18:54:21] <Dominian> Still sounsd lke a spammer operation to me.
[18:54:24] <seekwill> ...
[18:54:31] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: Ok, and?
[18:54:32] <_DeepBlue> hahahaha
[18:54:39] <Dominian> I know of no company with "millions" of clients that needs mailing list software.
[18:54:45] <Dominian> unless they are spammers
[18:54:46] <seekwill> Dominian: :)
[18:54:51] <_DeepBlue> hahahahahha
[18:54:58] <rob0> lilsyko: it is a channel factoid. You are asking questions here, READ.
[18:55:03] <_DeepBlue> I'm not a spameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
[18:55:17] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: Your answers make me think otherwise.
[18:55:20] <rob0> "Spam is not what we do."
[18:55:22] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: You don't need to explain... Just what are your requirements.
[18:55:59] <_DeepBlue> _DeepBlue> a huge number of mails (millions of clients) that we have to manag
[18:56:09] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: ok and?
[18:56:13] <seekwill> That's nothing.
[18:56:16] <Dominian> that tells us nothing
[18:56:17] <rob0> What's really strange is that they're managing millions of mails but don't know where to begin ...
[18:56:19] <_DeepBlue> which is the best tool
[18:56:21] <Dominian> other than you are avoiding the question
[18:56:27] <Dominian> rob0: aye
[18:56:42] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: There is no best
[18:57:23] <_DeepBlue> I'mm nooooooot the owner not the SEO
[18:57:37] <_DeepBlue> I'm just a programmer
[18:57:46] <Dominian> o.O
[18:58:02] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: If you want help, you're going to need to tell us more details
[18:58:09] <_DeepBlue> ok
[18:58:10] <_DeepBlue> 1 min
[18:58:26] <_DeepBlue> I'm a spammer :D
[18:58:33] <seekwill> ...
[18:58:37] * Dominian knew that already
[18:58:45] <_DeepBlue> hahahaha
[18:59:01] <seekwill> Dominian: There are a lot of legit companies sending out millions of messages an hour.
[18:59:05] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: obviously not a good one.
[18:59:17] <Dominian> seekwill: true.. but not "millions" of clients managed by mailing list software
[18:59:40] <seekwill> Sure
[18:59:40] <rob0> Legit companies sending millions per hour ... begging for help in IRC?
[18:59:47] <Dominian> heh
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[19:00:00] <seekwill> Perhaps not on one list
[19:00:04] <Dominian> right
[19:00:04] <seekwill> rob0: :)
[19:00:36] <_DeepBlue> so you don't have any proposal for me :p
[19:00:44] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: nope
[19:00:45] <seekwill> Nope
[19:00:56] <Dominian> Good luck in your spam-venture.
[19:01:00] <Dominian> We'll be waiting and watching.
[19:01:05] <_DeepBlue> :(
[19:01:05] <seekwill> And blacklisting
[19:01:13] <Dominian> aye
[19:01:22] <_DeepBlue> I'm not a spameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
[19:01:30] <Dominian> oye
[19:01:32] <Dominian> I'm giong idle
[19:01:34] <seekwill> You said you were...
[19:01:36] <rob0> 18:03 [freenode] -!- _DeepBlue [n=DeepBlue at adsl196-129-71-206-196 dot adsl196-3.iam.net.ma]
[19:01:40] <_DeepBlue> I just told you that coz u didn't wanna talk
[19:02:07] <_DeepBlue> rob0: & then
[19:02:07] <seekwill> So now you lie... don't want to help a liar or a spammer
[19:02:09] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: yeah.. Youd o realize that the three people you are talking with right now.. are quite experienced with email processes and how spammers work right?
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[19:02:46] <_DeepBlue> no they don't
[19:03:13] <rob0> In any case, spammer or not, millions of mails means there is revenue involved. Spend some of it.
[19:03:13] <Dominian> sure
[19:03:29] <seekwill> rob0: :)
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[19:04:00] <rob0> You're like a schoolkid trying to get Internet people to do his homework.
[19:04:11] <Dominian> true dat
[19:04:16] <Dominian> You want help.. pay us
[19:04:23] <_DeepBlue> ok am sorry I thought you are quite experienced with email processes
[19:04:29] <_DeepBlue> :D
[19:04:30] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: we are
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[19:04:40] <Dominian> _DeepBlue: but not going to help someone who lies. .and is shady about what they are up to.
[19:04:44] <Dominian> You can figure it out on your own.
[19:04:57] <Dominian> The point being, we have figured it out.. we know how to make it work.. we aren't going to do your job for you.
[19:05:37] <seekwill> Well, we tried, but only got resistance...
[19:05:47] <Dominian> yep
[19:05:48] * seekwill goes back to spamming the world
[19:05:51] <Dominian> Which is a tell-tale sign of a spammer.
[19:07:49] <seekwill> _DeepBlue: If you want to continue and explain your requirements... or even to develop some, let us know :)
[19:09:16] <seekwill> If all you have is "work with millions of clients", you need to go back to the drawing board or hire a consultant.
[19:09:29] <seekwill> Or outsource it to someone who can handle it.
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[19:14:19] <seekwill> rob0: So what would be the most polished, enterprise-grade, MLM? Mailman?
[19:14:36] <seekwill> err... free...
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[19:19:21] <_DeepBlue> exit
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[19:23:25] <rob0> "Polish" is not necessarily a sign of quality. But don't ask me, I don't manage large mailing lists.
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[19:28:23] <seekwill> True, but it's good to have something nice looking on the customer-facing end.
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[19:35:39] <Mr_Grim> hey
[19:39:10] <Dominian> seekwill: mailman is nice. easily integrated into postfix too
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[19:45:32] <Mr_Grim> just setup postfix on a new box i keep getting 554 5.7.1 relay denied whenever i send mail though. i have my virtual file configured what else could i be looking at here?
[19:46:01] <jeev> are you authenticating ?
[19:47:47] <Mr_Grim> no
[19:47:57] <Mr_Grim> this is for receiving incoming mail
[19:47:59] <jeev> ah
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[19:48:10] <jeev> what's it show in your log
[19:48:12] <jeev> pastebin.com
[19:48:16] <jeev> dont paste everywhere
[19:50:05] <roe_> wow, I read that as Polish not polish, and I couldn't figure out why Polish support is a sign of a good MLM
[19:50:32] <seekwill> roe_: lol
[19:50:40] * seekwill hugs English
[19:50:48] <seekwill> Dominian: Can it handle millions of clients?!?!?!
[19:51:39] <roe_> I agree however, polish is very important, I like mailman but it is not end user friendly
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[19:53:22] <rob0> !relay_denied
[19:53:23] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
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[19:54:15] <jeev> seriously though
[19:54:22] <jeev> postfix is the greatest thing i've ever used.
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[19:54:29] <Dominian> seekwill: I think so!
[19:54:30] <jeev> i can't believe i was swinging off qmail's nuts so long
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[19:59:37] <rob0> There are a great many people who have been caught up in qmail zealotry. In general I think they have little real experience with email ... maybe failed with Sendmail, so they followed one of the qmail tutorials which does it all for them.
[19:59:50] <Mr_Grim> jeev one sec
[20:00:28] <onre> qmail done properly is amazingly complex imo
[20:00:49] <Mr_Grim> jeev: http://pastebin.ca/1273789
[20:01:20] <rob0> is it truly possible to do qmail correctly? With recipient validation and important little features like HELO checking?
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[20:01:53] <onre> rob0, dunno. i stopped trying somewhere around 2002.
[20:02:01] <rob0> indeed
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[20:03:23] <rob0> I never really felt at home in qmail, because of its rejection of so many Unix conventions (daemontools and all that cruft in /, no syslogd ...)
[20:03:43] <seekwill> But it's secure, or your money back!
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[20:03:53] <sysmonk> is it?
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[20:04:08] <seekwill> Isn't his $1000 still up for grab?
[20:04:08] <sysmonk> ah, sure, 'hello world' is secure too, cause it doesn't have any functionality
[20:04:13] <sysmonk> qmail is secure in the same way :P
[20:04:30] <sysmonk> seekwill: suuure, and after few of vulnerability issues they are still there
[20:04:46] <sysmonk> because "hey, stack overflow isn't qmail problem, it's problem in computers !"
[20:04:46] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:04:55] <sysmonk> and stuff like that ;P
[20:05:15] <seekwill> lol
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[20:05:50] <Mr_Grim> jeev still there?
[20:05:51] <jeev> i did like daemontools though
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[20:06:11] <jeev> Mr_Grim !relay_denied
[20:06:15] <jeev> !relay_denied Mr_Grim
[20:06:16] <knoba> jeev: Error: "relay_denied" is not a valid command.
[20:06:22] <jeev> !relay_denied
[20:06:22] <knoba> jeev: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[20:06:23] <jeev> sack of crap
[20:07:43] <Mr_Grim> you need to edit yor /etc/virtual file
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[20:12:01] <jeev> your system isn't recognizing it's domain
[20:12:03] <jeev> you need to reread docs
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[20:14:36] <Mr_Grim> jeev are you talking to knoba or me?
[20:15:45] <seekwill> Pretty sure not knoba
[20:16:05] <jeev> huh
[20:16:12] <jeev> if you're sending yourself an email from somewhere else
[20:16:15] <jeev> and it says relay access denied
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[20:16:19] <jeev> your system is imporperly set up
[20:16:21] <jeev> improperly
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[20:20:12] <Mr_Grim> jeev yeah im sending email from somewhere else
[20:20:15] <Mr_Grim> jeev any hints?
[20:20:32] <rob0> You've been given several hints, even repeated.
[20:21:09] <jeev> !relay_denied
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[20:21:09] <knoba> jeev: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[20:21:18] <jeev> read the end of the last sentence
[20:21:53] <sysmonk> hm
[20:22:00] <sysmonk> i think i have jeev on my ignore list
[20:22:15] <sysmonk> jup, number two on my ignore list
[20:22:48] <rob0> Yeah, I think I remember that.
[20:23:15] <jeev> remember what
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[20:24:28] <seekwill> sysmonk: Am I #1?
[20:24:46] * rob0 is number one!
[20:25:36] <afallenhope|work> hey  have an issue sending emails.. I have the following log: http://www.pastebin.ca/1273831
[20:28:00] <seekwill> ol
[20:28:02] <seekwill> lol
[20:28:08] <afallenhope|work> anyone got a stab as to why it's not allowing me to change the sender?
[20:28:12] <seekwill> afallenhope|work: Did you read the error?
[20:28:24] <afallenhope|work> seekwill:  yes.
[20:28:29] <seekwill> What does it say?
[20:28:51] 
[20:28:53] <afallenhope|work> or..
[20:29:03] <seekwill> or
[20:29:14] <seekwill> hmm
[20:29:16] 
[20:29:31] <seekwill> That's actually odd...
[20:30:25] <seekwill> Maybe that's not your (initial) concenr then
[20:30:28] <afallenhope|work> I'm not saying I'm a Guru or anything I cam here for help..
[20:30:35] <afallenhope|work> came*
[20:31:21] <rob0> "man sendmail"
[20:31:25] <seekwill> I wasn't saying otherwise
[20:31:46] <rob0> (that's about setting the sender)
[20:32:05] <afallenhope|work> rob0: I know it's sendmail -f
[20:32:26] <rob0> The godaddy error is confusing, not enough context maybe
[20:32:33] <Chiku> what it's default mailbox scheme? maildir?
[20:33:22] <Chiku> or mbox
[20:34:00] <afallenhope|work> umm.. not sure let me check
[20:34:16] <afallenhope|work> jettmedia = the mail mbox (I think)
[20:34:48] <Chiku> hum afallenhope|work I didn't talking with you :)
[20:34:56] <Chiku> just a general question
[20:35:25] <afallenhope|work> oh haha
[20:35:34] <afallenhope|work> then I believe it's the main user
[20:35:35] <rob0> from=<www-data@JETTP> ... not fully-qualified
[20:35:50] <afallenhope|work> yeah.. not sure what that means rob0
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[20:36:03] <Chiku> fqdn
[20:36:14] <rob0> it means that is the sender address that was given to sendmail(1)
[20:36:17] <Chiku> JETTP.domaon.tld
[20:36:46] <Chiku> domain*
[20:37:06] <afallenhope|work> mydestination = JETTP, localhost.localdomain, localhost, and myhostname = JETTP
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[20:37:33] <rob0> No site will accept mail from a non-FQDN sender
[20:37:47] <afallenhope|work> right. so how do I set that up
[20:37:52] <Chiku> myhostname
[20:38:10] <Chiku> myhostname = jettp.yourdomaine.com
[20:38:15] <Chiku> something like that
[20:39:56] <Chiku> mydestination = JETTP,... <-- there too or use $myhostname
[20:40:44] <afallenhope|work> myhostname = JETTP
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[20:40:53] <Chiku> how you send the mail?
[20:40:59] <afallenhope|work> umm.. PHP? lol.
[20:41:25] <afallenhope|work> sometimes: echo "test" | sendmail user at domain dot com
[20:41:32] <Chiku> then set your php with  from=<www-data at JETTP dot domain.tld>
[20:42:31] <afallenhope|work> well it's just a local server..
[20:42:52] <afallenhope|work> not even.. it's a development computer.
[20:44:48] <Chiku> so can put have local domain in your /etc/hosts
[20:45:20] <Chiku> you can have local domain in your /etc/hosts
[20:45:49] <afallenhope|work> I have one..
[20:45:59] <afallenhope|work> 127.0.0.1       localhost
[20:45:59] <afallenhope|work> 127.0.1.1       JETTP
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[20:46:37] <Chiku> you can write 127.0.1.1 jettp.domain.lan doamin.lan
[20:46:41] <Chiku> something like that
[20:47:06] <Chiku> then you got your fqdn
[20:47:32] <afallenhope|work> okay let me try that.
[20:47:35] <Chiku> ard
[20:47:37] <Chiku> arf
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[20:47:40] <afallenhope|work> ...?
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[20:47:44] <Chiku> you can write 127.0.1.1 jettp.domain.lan jettp
[20:47:47] <Chiku> like that
[20:48:15] <afallenhope|work> does DOMAIN actually have to be something?
[20:48:22] <Chiku> what you want
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[20:48:46] <afallenhope|work> okay. let me try
[20:49:05] <Chiku> don't forget your sender
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[20:49:16] <Chiku> write fqdn too
[20:50:06] <Chiku> maybe your php catchup /etct/hosts
[20:50:33] <afallenhope|work> I don't know what a fqdn is bud
[20:50:45] <seekwill> fully qualified domain name
[20:50:47] <Chiku> fqdn = full qualified domain name
[20:50:54] <seekwill> Google!
[20:51:01] <Chiku> the complete name
[20:51:27] <Chiku> JEPPT it's just host name in no domain
[20:51:44] <Chiku> to find a host you need the domain part too
[20:53:02] <afallenhope|work> okay.. and I get the domain...
[20:53:12] <afallenhope|work> I can make that up?
[20:55:06] <afallenhope|work> please excuse the ignorance
[20:55:07] <rob0> If you're asking how to invoke sendmail(1) in your PHP application, perhaps you should see the PHP FAQ's, and ask in an appropriate place.
[20:55:40] <afallenhope|work> no it's sendmail itself that's not sending the email
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[20:56:28] <afallenhope|work> Dec  2 14:51:59 JETTP postfix/smtp[9523]: 8085D21AA7E: to=<info at JMG dot com>, relay=smtp.secureserver.net[208.109.80.149]:25, delay=1.1, delays=0.14/0.02/0.74/0.19, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host smtp.secureserver.net[208.109.80.149] said: 553 http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=127.0.0.1 (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[20:57:02] <rob0> Dec  2 14:23:59 JETTP postfix/qmgr[6017]: 2273D21AA7E: from=<www-data@JETTP>, size=437, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[20:57:14] <afallenhope|work> okay hold up
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[20:57:20] <rob0> 19:39 < rob0> No site will accept mail from a non-FQDN sender
[20:57:35] <rob0> 19:37 < rob0> from=<www-data@JETTP> ... not fully-qualified
[20:57:39] <afallenhope|work> Dec  2 14:51:58 JETTP postfix/qmgr[6017]: 8085D21AA7E: from=<www-data at JETTP dot jmg.lan>, size=475, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[20:58:07] <rob0> No site will accept mail from a non-existent domain sender
[20:58:24] <zzattack> hi my postfix gives me 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure
[20:58:26] <afallenhope|work> so just send up a domain change ip?
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[20:58:39] <zzattack> I'm thinking my sasl is broken somehow
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[20:59:21] <Chiku> afallenhope|work, when you you install postfix? it's your 1st time?
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[21:00:13] <afallenhope|work> Chiku: yeah?
[21:00:14] <Chiku> you should try it to send with netcat ou telnet to some webmail, like gmail.com
[21:00:23] <afallenhope|work> I tried.. didn't work
[21:00:47] <Chiku> what linux distribution?
[21:00:53] <afallenhope|work> ubuntu
[21:00:58] <Chiku> I just install postfix from debian
[21:01:18] <Chiku> and I did nothing, just send with netcat email to my gmail.com box
[21:01:51] <Chiku> when you install selecte site internet
[21:01:56] <afallenhope|work> http://www.pastebin.ca/1273890
[21:02:02] <afallenhope|work> that's the new setup
[21:02:31] <Chiku> and if you already setup your domain during ubuntu install, you need to do nothing for postfix
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[21:04:40] <Chiku> afallenhope|work, what is your mydestination ?
[21:05:01] <rob0> !myorigin
[21:05:02] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[21:05:04] <rob0> !basic
[21:05:05] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[21:05:30] <afallenhope|work> Chiku: it's set up to "jmg.misecure.com"
[21:05:46] <rob0> Okay, you're going to have to ask godaddy why they reject you.
[21:06:01] <Chiku> you send to=<info at jmg dot com>
[21:06:33] <afallenhope|work> yeah
[21:07:02] <zzattack> hi I always get an authentication error, though i'm sure the username and pass are correct
[21:07:11] <zzattack> how can I diagnose what is wrong?
[21:07:27] <zzattack> I'm trying to use SASL for authentication
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[21:08:18] <Chiku> afallenhope|work, did you check your $myorign?
[21:08:58] <afallenhope|work> yeah /etc/mailname.
[21:09:12] <Chiku> cat /etc/mailname?
[21:09:40] <afallenhope|work> mail.jmg.misecure.com
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[21:10:39] <afallenhope|work> connect to mail.jmg.misecure.com[127.0.0.1]:25: Connection refused
[21:10:44] <afallenhope|work> so I have to open that port aye?
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[21:11:32] <Chiku> I don't understand, you send from your postfix to internet webmail?
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[21:11:42] <afallenhope|work> Chiku: yup
[21:11:48] <Chiku> or you want to receive mail?
[21:11:57] <afallenhope|work> I just want to SEND not receive
[21:12:21] <Chiku> try internet webmail like gmail
[21:12:48] <Chiku> they don't have strict rules
[21:12:53] <afallenhope|work> okay hold up
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[21:18:10] <malex> I've spent hours trying to troubleshoot this myself, but that didn't work out. I wonder if I could get help with mysql bottleneck here - http://pastebin.com/d65c92ab1 has examples of errors. Basically if I send mails to a mailman list even if it only has 5 members I can't get several messages in a  row through. First run goes through, but then unless I wait for a minute or so I get those server is gone away, table lookup errors. ...
[21:18:16] <malex> ... Sometimes even the first run fails if there was a solitary message from elsewhere coming in. My main.cf is in http://pastebin.ca/1273941
[21:20:36] <seekwill> You use two different pastebins (one isn't working)
[21:20:37] <seekwill> ?
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[21:24:17] <afallenhope|work> IPV6 blow bawls
[21:26:31] <rob0> afh, what are you not telling us? Why does godaddy's relay think you are connecting from localhost?
[21:29:45] * rob0 suspects that "iptables-save -c" has some strange rules in the nat table
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[21:31:43] <malex> seekwill: http://pastebin.ca/1273969 for an error example
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[21:33:33] <jeev> pfft, malex.
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[21:35:18] <malex> Erm, should I turn on peer_debug and paste a few more hundred lines of logs?
[21:36:08] <jeev> dood
[21:36:09] <jeev> is sql up
[21:36:45] <malex> jeev: yes, of course. I can send and receive mail most of the time, but there are these intermittent error, mostly when sending mailman queues
[21:37:10] <malex> jeev: which leads me to believe that something in my postfix/mysql configuration is screwing up the connections
[21:37:23] <rob0> Yup, that's exactly what happens when mysql is down.
[21:37:36] <jeev> you haven't a lot of connections to sql ?
[21:37:40] <malex> jeev: no
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[21:37:54] <jeev> debug sql
[21:37:58] <jeev> log it and see if there is any query
[21:37:59] <malex> one drupal site, one postfixadmin instance, and postfix+amavis - that's all
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[21:38:36] <malex> yes, queries go through. I've been monitoring mysql.log for >20 hrs now. However, when lookup problems happen I see a query come in, but there is no response
[21:38:58] <jeev> can you reproduce this on another machine ?
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[21:39:42] <malex> For instance: 081202 15:38:54    1316 Connect     postfix@localhost on postfix \n and then 1319 Query       SELECT password FROM mailbox WHERE username = 'user at domain dot com' and it just sits there for a minute. In meanwhile postfix throws the table lookup error
[21:40:27] <jeev> wanna pastebin your maps files?
[21:40:34] <malex> sure 1 moment
[21:41:45] <malex> by the way, I keep seeing mailman lists's queries in mysql log even though there are no messages coming through. looks like mailman makes postfix query these mailboxes every couple minutes or so
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[21:42:51] <rob0> "warning: mysql query failed: MySQL server has gone away" is pretty clear, the server is not being reached.
[21:43:59] <PatrickDK> idlewait_timeout set really low?
[21:44:04] <PatrickDK> or whatever it's called?
[21:44:15] <malex> http://pastebin.ca/1273994
[21:44:55] <malex> max_idle ?
[21:45:03] <Mr_Grim> finally got postfix werkin
[21:45:04] <Mr_Grim> w00t
[21:46:14] <PatrickDK> wait_timeout
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[21:47:55] <malex> PatrickDK: oh, on mysql side. 60000
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[21:51:11] <jeev> :/
[21:51:21] <jeev> can you put the db for mailman on another server and try it
[21:57:42] <malex> actually mailman uses its own db not mysql. the mailman_to_postfix.py script just passes things off to postfix. Postfix and dovecot are the only ones querying these tables;
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[22:08:10] <hans67521> hi all
[22:08:27] <hans67521> can someone please assist me with a postfix config
[22:08:51] <hans67521> my postfix server is acting as my mail gateway which relays mail to my internal mail server
[22:09:21] <hans67521> postfix sends two copies of the mail to my mail server
[22:09:29] <hans67521> one from postmaster
[22:10:03] <hans67521> and the other to from the actual user that is sending the mail
[22:10:35] <hans67521> the one that comes from postmaster does not reach the user
[22:10:59] <malex> I just turned off mailman and commented out relevant config in postfix configuration and restarted postfix. Now testing with simple multiple aliases e.g. test@domain going to 8 aliases - some virtual mailboxes and some outside addresses. I still get postfix/proxymap[1463]: warning: mysql query failed: MySQL server has gone away and all related errors
[22:11:30] <malex> It's not mailman transport - it's really something very basic in postfix/mysql setup :(
[22:11:55] <hans67521> ?
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[22:12:26] <hans67521> can someone help me?
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[22:22:01] * malex blames mysql, but has no idea what's wrong
[22:22:08] <malex> it's depressing
[22:22:10] * PatrickDK blames malex
[22:22:22] <PatrickDK> do you know how to track mysql at all?
[22:22:24] * famicom blames it on illigal immigrants
[22:22:36] <PatrickDK> how many mysql sessions have you had open?
[22:23:20] <famicom> malex
[22:23:22] <famicom> use strace
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[22:39:42] <hans67521> need help with postfix relay
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[22:43:07] <Dominian> !basoc
[22:43:09] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "basoc" is not a valid command.
[22:43:09] <Dominian> !basic
[22:43:10] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[22:43:11] <Dominian> !relay
[22:43:12] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[22:43:15] <Dominian> !relays
[22:43:16] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "relays" is not a valid command.
[22:43:30] <Dominian> !relayhost
[22:43:31] <knoba> Dominian: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
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[22:44:05] <seekwill> !Dominian
[22:44:06] <knoba> seekwill: Error: "Dominian" is not a valid command.
[22:44:09] <seekwill> :(
[22:44:29] <hans67521> yes i have relay_transport = smtp:[x.x.x.x] port
[22:44:45] <seekwill> I wish I had the x.x.x.x address space
[22:45:07] <hans67521> if use relayhost i still have the same problem
[22:45:29] <Dominian> smtp:[x.x.x.x]:port I thought was the proper syntax
[22:45:31] <hans67521> or tranport_maps
[22:45:52] <shasta> and the problem is?
[22:45:59] <shasta> because you didn't state it in the first place
[22:46:43] <hans67521> well posfix accepts mail from the internet and recieves it as a from address as postmaster then relays the mail to the mail server
[22:47:23] <hans67521> all mail relayed to my internal mail server, has a from address postmaster
[22:47:45] <hans67521> wana see an example?
[22:47:56] <shasta> "internal mail server" suggests you want postfix to act as a frontend for some other server
[22:48:23] <shasta> if that's the case, refer to http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#firewall
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[22:49:15] <hans67521> can i show you an example of the issue
[22:49:16] <hans67521> ?
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[22:50:01] <hans67521> this box accepts mail for 2 domains
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[22:51:23] <shasta> pastebin output of postconf -n
[22:51:27] <shasta> and relevant log entries
[22:56:23] <hans67521> here is the log
[22:56:32] <hans67521> http://rafb.net/p/sMHILQ99.html
[22:56:40] <hans67521> look at the from address
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[22:57:29] <hans67521> my config
[22:57:33] <hans67521> http://rafb.net/p/yOiJHM80.html
[22:58:00] <seekwill> What's the problem?
[22:58:20] <shasta> status=deliverable? isn't that for address verification? :>
[22:58:43] <hans67521> look at the from address
[22:59:02] * seekwill looks at it until his eyes bleed
[22:59:08] <hans67521> well my spam filter now have to scan two messages
[22:59:29] <hans67521> because two mail are queued
[22:59:39] <hans67521> first from postmaster
[22:59:57] <seekwill> Maybe need more logs?
[22:59:57] <hans67521> then requeued again for the user
[23:00:02] <hans67521> ok
[23:00:09] <seekwill> There is only one email ...
[23:03:09] <hans67521> http://rafb.net/p/jN7llx72.html
[23:03:12] <hans67521> ok
[23:03:22] <hans67521> look at this log
[23:03:32] <hans67521> note the message id is the same
[23:03:47] <hans67521> postfix queues the message twice
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[23:13:07] <hans67521> ?
[23:17:04] <shasta> what's in your /etc/postfix/header_checks?
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[23:21:25] <ziro> if I have a domain with two smtp servers, can I use postfix to send all smtp traffic to both locations?  I want a copy at each location
[23:21:53] <ziro> i.e. can I have two transports for a domain?
[23:22:26] <cafuego> ziro: There's a bcc thing that allows you to do something like that, afaik
[23:22:58] <ziro> let me check into that, I thought that was on a bcc email address, let me look it up
[23:24:03] <cafuego> recipient_bcc_maps
[23:24:38] <shasta> (you can't have two destinations in the bcc stuff)
[23:25:39] <ziro> I need this to be per domain as well, not user
[23:26:37] <ziro> I use postfix as a relay server, so i don't keep user addresses and such on it
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[23:30:07] <ziro> in bcc_maps, can I use:   *  som.eip.add.ress  ? or in the main.cf use always_bcc=som.ipa.dre.ss?
[23:30:22] <shasta> no
[23:30:54] <ziro> bummer, you get what I'm trying to do?
[23:31:06] <rhineheart_m> hello.. what does this mean: delivery temporarily suspended: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com[209.191.118.103] refused to talk to me: 553 Mail from ******* not allowed - 5.7.1 [BL21] Connections not accepted from IP addresses on Spamhaus PBL; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/550-bl21.html [550]
[23:31:31] <seekwill> See the URL?
[23:31:47] <ziro> rhineheart_m: looks like yahoo is tarpitting you, check the url
[23:31:57] <shasta> ziro, not exactly
[23:32:09] <rob0> Rhine, your IP address is on Spamhaus PBL. It's not a tarpit, it's a rejection.
[23:32:43] <seekwill> And it would be a graylist, vs. a tarpit...
[23:33:07] <zzattack> I changed /etc/pam.d/smtp and now my users are in a mysql db
[23:33:16] <ziro> shasta: postfix is my inbound server, just a relay server, then I have two other servers, one GroupWise and one Exchange server, I want postfix to send the same mail to each server,
[23:33:19] <zzattack> but I'd rather just use on pass per user using the unix accounts
[23:33:21] <rob0> The rejection is a violation of SMTP, because you can't do a 5xx in the banner, which is what they are doing.
[23:33:23] <zzattack> how can I achieve this?
[23:34:25] <rob0> !fcrdns
[23:34:25] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[23:34:30] <rob0> rhineheart_m: ^^
[23:35:04] <shasta> ziro, and you probably want the same from/to? i can't think of any solution
[23:35:35] <ziro> shasta: correct..  ok, thanks though. I'll keep digging
[23:35:43] <seekwill> ziro: Your postfix server should have a list of valid recipients before accepting emails
[23:36:02] <shasta> that's another thing, yes
[23:36:40] <ziro> seekwill: this one is just a relay server, another server in front of that does have that.
[23:36:52] <seekwill> oh
[23:36:53] <seekwill> ok
[23:36:55] <seekwill> :)
[23:37:47] <seekwill> Why doesn't that server fwd to your two servers?
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[23:40:37] <ziro> I actually process many domains, this relay server is just used a a holding queue, if one of the clients is down.
[23:41:26] <ziro> but in this case, I want a copy to go to two different servers, and yes, having the same to/from
[23:41:28] <rob0> A lower-priority MX host? With no recipient validation?
[23:41:47] <ziro> no
[23:41:50] <ziro> a "next hop"
[23:42:35] <rob0> whew, that's good, I don't like backscattering spam magnets.
[23:43:36] <rhineheart_m> thanks to all of you.. does it require ports to be open before I could actually send emails?
[23:43:43] <ziro> first server does the sqlgrey check, relay_recipients check etc etc, then passes it down to this server to relay then to the client.
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[23:46:36] <ziro> I wonder if there is any add on that does this, checking site/google
[23:48:59] <rhineheart_m> what are the ports needed by postfix to be opened?
[23:49:57] <shasta> what knowledge is needed to run a mailserver?
[23:50:30] <ziro> how to log on to IRC and ask away.. :-)
[23:51:48] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: Inbound 25/tcp and 465/tcp
[23:52:13] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: Outbound to remote 25/tcp and 465/tcp, also allow 53 tcp and udp to your DNS server(s)
[23:52:21] <rob0> Sending mail simply requires the ability to make an outbound connection. No one connects back at you, except for optional auth/identd.
[23:53:14] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: If your users send from remote to you, you may want 587/tcp opened inbound as well; the submission port.
[23:53:43] <rob0> BTW this stuff is partly covered in the BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README, but that does assume some understanding of Unix and basic networking.
[23:53:45] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: This is of course all IF you have a firewall now that blocks all traffic by default.
[23:54:06] <cafuego> If you didn't have a firewall, postfix would simply listen on the ports it needs and be fine.
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[23:55:03] <rhineheart_m> cafuego, thank you
[23:55:10] <rob0> 465 is deprecated by 587+STARTTLS
[23:55:37] <rhineheart_m> what do you mean with this? Outbound to remote 25/tcp and 465/tcp, also allow 53 tcp and udp to your DNS server(s)
[23:56:31] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: Your postfix would want to connect to those ports on remote hosts.
[23:57:06] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: And if you had a firewall, you would of course also be blocking unauthorised outbound traffic.
[23:57:08] <rhineheart_m> like using outlook to fecth mails from the server?
[23:57:23] <cafuego> rhineheart_m: no, to send mails from you to remote postfix servers
[23:57:27] <rhineheart_m> yeah.. I have a firewall.
[23:58:01] <rob0> Postfix does not connect outbound to 465 ... even if configured to do so, there is no native smtps client support.
[23:58:07] <rhineheart_m> so.. 25. 465
[23:58:14] <cafuego> outlook - god forbid - would use pop3 or imap ... which uses ports 110 and 143 or 993 and 995.
[23:58:55] <cafuego> the altter two are pop3s and imaps.
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