[00:00:50] <loompek> cbl.abuseat.org sbl.smaphaus.org whois.rtc-ignorant.org dnsbl.njabl.org bl.spamcop.net dnsbl.sorbs.net
[00:00:56] <loompek> is this list okay?
[00:01:57] <xpoint> cbl is part of zen
[00:02:28] <xpoint> i recommend zen only for a start
[00:03:25] <xpoint> and if still some spam got throught try http://www.robtex.com/ to find what rbl blocks it
[00:03:46] <xpoint> and add this rbl to postfwd
[00:03:53] <loompek> hmm
[00:04:14] <loompek> what if i'd like to configure dnsbl on a high load server.. let's say an isp
[00:04:17] <xpoint> newer use rbl dirrect in postfix
[00:04:49] <xpoint> see postwd homepage
[00:05:00] <xpoint> postfwd even
[00:06:43] <loompek> what if i'd like to configure dnsbl on a high load server.. let's say an isp?
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[00:12:02] <Haris_> Is postfix local delivery configurable? I'm sending emails to amavis box to get checked for spam/virus or any other anomolies. When it comes back, and if its marked as spam, can I have it delivered to the email owner's trash folder? like google/yahoo/hotmail put them in junk box?
[00:12:23] <cafuego> Haris_: Yuo can, but use procmail or maildrop for that.
[00:12:35] <Haris_> eww!
[00:12:40] <Haris_> that sounds like a death trap
[00:12:56] <Haris_> ok, cool
[00:12:58] <cafuego> me has no problems with it
[00:13:09] <Haris_> !smtpd_tls_session_cache_database
[00:13:10] <knoba> Haris_: Error: "smtpd_tls_session_cache_database" is not a valid command.
[00:13:17] <Haris_> does this keyword exist? ( smtpd_tls_session_cache_database ) ?
[00:13:21] <cafuego> postfix -> amavis -> postfix -> maildrop -> optional filtering -> maildir
[00:13:23] <Haris_> and this smtp_tls_session_cache_database
[00:13:27] <Haris_> used here ( http://adomas.org/2006/08/postfix-dovecot/ )
[00:13:36] <cafuego> Haris_: postfix | grep session
[00:13:47] <cafuego> Sotty, postconf | grep session
[00:14:09] <Haris_> what a stupid Q
[00:14:14] <Haris_> thanks! though
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[00:31:02] <Haris_> Are there any benefits in using these session cache keywords?
[00:33:47] <Haris_> ok, back to maildir permissions issue
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[00:40:43] <Haris_> Can I have ( mailnull:*:30:30:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/usr/sbin/nologin ) as the owner of mail being delivered locally? virtual_uid_maps = static:30 ?
[00:40:56] <Haris_> if not I'll have to create a new user
[00:43:17] <xpoint> no
[00:43:35] <xpoint> static: is just one user
[00:44:03] <xpoint> so it will get permissions denied on all other users
[00:47:36] <Haris_> When is it used?
[00:48:15] <Haris_> I believe for a setup like mine, where I store mail in /mc/$domain-name/$email-ID
[00:48:28] <Haris_> this is ideal, since only postfix and dovecot need to access it
[00:51:52] <xpoint> yep
[00:52:36] <xpoint> dovecot-auth and postfix agree then the rest works
[00:53:30] * zloss ZlzZLLZzLZzzz
[00:53:31] <xpoint> its just a bit wroung to use virtual with dovecot, but it works
[00:54:10] <Haris_> ?
[00:54:15] <Haris_> How come
[00:54:28] <xpoint> dovecot is just a lda
[00:54:55] <xpoint> and it does not know what foo at domain dot tld is
[00:55:19] <Haris_> Whats' the difference between an LDA and an imap server
[00:55:29] <xpoint> so one should really think local: in postfix
[00:55:55] <xpoint> there is not a good question Haris1
[00:56:15] <xpoint> lda is local delivery agent
[00:56:27] <xpoint> and have nothing to do with imap
[00:57:13] <xpoint> its the same as pop3 is not a smtp sever
[00:57:21] <xpoint> server
[00:57:23] <Haris_> well, my concept is, I'm using posfix for emailing (sending/receiving, for all local, non local) and using dovecot only as an pop3/imap serving tool, plus sasl ofcourse
[00:57:57] <Haris_> postfix+
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[00:59:50] <Haris_> do we have a double bounce in postfix?
[00:59:53] <Haris_> I know we have it in qmail
[01:01:18] <Haris_> Also, what's the advantage or disadvantage in having postfix use hostname vs. domain name as primary
[01:01:26] <Haris_> name for itself
[01:01:38] <Haris_> for example my postfix box's FQDN is mc2.mol.com.mk
[01:01:54] <Haris_> should the double-bounce@what-comes-here?
[01:02:03] <Haris_> mc2.mol.com.mk or just mol.com.mk
[01:02:16] <Haris_> right now, its set to hostname
[01:03:30] <kamome> Hi, I get the following error in /var/log/mail.log:
[01:03:39] <kamome> status=bounced (Command died with status 80: "/usr/lib/dovecot/deliver".  Command output: deliver(user@domain): Fatal: Can't open log file /var/storage/mails/dovecot.log: Permission denied )
[01:03:54] <kamome> But the permissions are set to 0666!
[01:04:51] <kamome> How can this be? I'm using ACLs - do we have a Problem with that? On another machine it works (without ACLs).
[01:05:49] <Haris_> wow! I have 3K messages in my admin at mol dot com.mk already
[01:06:27] <Haris_> I created a new user. Now all folders under /mc are owned by new-user:mail
[01:06:32] <hhalpin> quick question - is there anyway to easily migrate a postfix mail folder to a thunderbird mail folder, both on linux?
[01:06:33] <Haris_> in this setup, postfix seems to be happy
[01:06:58] <hhalpin> basically, the folder is huge (500M+) and thunderbird crashes when it tries to copy it locally :)
[01:07:08] <hhalpin> So I was thinking of just scping it..
[01:07:37] <hhalpin> my mail server is running out of room but I don't want to lose my precious old sent-mail...
[01:08:19] <xpoint> kamome, check permissions on parrent dir
[01:10:34] <Haris_> I'm curious, should double bounces be deleted?
[01:10:37] <Haris_> or stored?
[01:10:47] <Haris_> for later checking by admin
[01:11:33] <xpoint> first of why did it bounce ?
[01:11:44] <xpoint> solve this first :)
[01:13:28] <Haris_> Out: 451 4.3.0 <admin at mol dot com.mk>: Temporary lookup failure
[01:14:17] <Haris_> http://pastebin.ca/1269842
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[01:15:26] <Haris_> I'm perplexed how it can be
[01:15:32] <Haris_> postfix is delivering to this mailbox
[01:15:58] <Haris_> I have alot of emails in queue with this problem
[01:19:44] <kamome> xpoint, tank you! Had to go all the way from /var/storage to the log file, of course. Stupid me! ;)
[01:26:18] <xpoint> kamome, no problem
[01:27:00] <xpoint> Haris_, i have to sleep now try "sendmail -bv postmaster" and see logs
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[01:41:59] <Haris_> # sendmail -bv postmaster
[01:42:00] <Haris_> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>.
[01:42:16] <Haris_> # sendmail -bv root
[01:42:16] <Haris_> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <root>.
[01:42:40] <Haris_> in /etc/aliases I have root: admin at mol dot com.mk
[01:43:22] <deface> Haris_: did you postmap it ?
[01:43:46] <deface> actually, better run 'newaliases'
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[02:26:05] <Haris_> well
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[02:26:20] <Haris_> I run newaliases every! time I modify /etc/aliases
[02:26:42] <Haris_> secondly, all aliases in /etc/aliases are pointing to root and root is pointing at admin at mol dot com.mk
[02:27:07] <Haris_> now;
[02:27:07] <DuroSoft> hey can someone help a total newbie get postfix to forward mail for two domains to a specific gmail address (using webmin on centos 5)
[02:27:17] <Haris_> # postmap -q postmaster at mc2 dot mol.com.mk mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
[02:27:17] <Haris_> admin at mol dot com.mk
[02:27:28] <Haris_> # postmap -q admin at mol dot com.mk mysql:/usr/local/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps.cf
[02:27:28] <Haris_> mol.com.mk/admin/
[02:28:34] <Haris_> That is why I'm perplexed, why when amavis sends mail back to postfix, postfix tells it -> (host 212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13] said: 451 4.3.0 Failed, id=20847-02, from MTA([212.110.95.8]:10025): 451 4.3.0 <admin at mol dot com.mk>: Temporary lookup failure (in reply to end of DATA command))
[02:28:59] <Haris_> how the heck can it have a lookup failure?
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[02:30:01] <Haris_> maybe because mysql is busy?
[02:30:15] <Haris_> but that's impossible, this is a quad core Xeon E5405 box
[02:30:25] <Haris_> with SCSI, SATA II hard drives
[02:35:38] <shasta> !debug
[02:35:39] <knoba> shasta: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[02:35:46] <shasta> !debug_peer_list
[02:35:47] <knoba> shasta: "debug_peer_list" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional list of SMTP client or server patterns that cause the verbose logging level to increase by the amount specified in $debug_peer_level.
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[03:16:14] <Haris_> I see this -> Nov 29 03:14:08 mc2 postfix/virtual[9242]: 8175547D9E2: to=<admin at mol dot com.mk>, orig_to=<postmaster>, relay=virtual, delay=0.15, delays=0.15/0.01/0/0, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[03:16:26] <Haris_> and then I see this -> Nov 29 03:14:08 mc2 postfix/lmtp[9202]: 53F8E47D78A: to=<admin at mol dot com.mk>, orig_to=<postmaster>, relay=212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13]:10024, delay=69455, delays=69357/0.99/97/0.26, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (host 212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13] said: 451 4.3.0 Failed, id=28564-01, from MTA([212.110.95.8]:10025): 451 4.3.0 <admin at mol dot com.mk>: Temporary lookup failure (in reply to end of DATA command))
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[03:21:07] <Haris_> most of the messages comming in are double bounces caused by these lookup failures
[03:21:52] <Haris_> what can I set the verbose logging to?
[03:21:56] <Haris_> default is 2
[03:22:03] <Haris_> 4 would be enough?
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[04:24:12] <jeev> how can i add FILETIME=[43DF12B0:01C951D0]
[04:24:14] <jeev> and stuff
[04:24:18] <jeev> to the headers
[04:24:52] <sahil> PREPEND
[04:25:03] <sahil> what problem are you trying to solve?
[04:25:41] <jeev> i'd just like to have better records with a UTC time in the headers
[04:25:42] <jeev> with that
[04:25:57] <jeev> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Nov 2008 03:12:09.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[43DF12B0:01C951D0]
[04:26:03] <jeev> like, that's someone elses sent to me.
[04:30:06] <rob0> you could run Postfix with TX set to UTC
[04:30:10] <rob0> TZ
[04:30:35] <jeev> i'd like to leave it at PST
[04:30:39] <jeev> but i'd like to modify outgoing headers.
[04:30:44] <jeev> to add that info
[04:30:50] <jeev> how is file time calculated?
[04:30:52] <sahil> i want a model.
[04:30:53] <rob0> but if you need to generate those headers specially, you'll need a policy service
[04:30:57] <sahil> tough. :P
[04:30:58] <jeev> i have a model.
[04:31:12] <sahil> your model car nerd set does not count.  sorry.
[04:31:18] <jeev> anything cool/new to prevent greylisting? heh
[04:31:18] <sahil> i'm talkin top 10 models, top-shelf bottles.
[04:31:26] <jeev> i run dkim
[04:31:30] <sahil> you are trying to circumvent greylisting?
[04:31:32] <sahil> are you a spammer?
[04:31:40] <jeev> http://images.google.com/images?q=liya&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
[04:31:43] <jeev> you think she's hot?
[04:31:44] <jeev> no
[04:31:47] <sahil> no.
[04:31:51] <sahil> she's *gross*.
[04:31:51] <jeev> she's not?!
[04:31:53] <jeev> she is beautiful.
[04:31:54] <jeev> shut up!
[04:31:56] <rob0> this special header won't circumvent greylisting
[04:31:59] <jeev> i always talk to her
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[04:32:07] <jeev> yea rob, i know.. but i want some cool shit in my headers haha
[04:32:08] <sahil> jeev: stop. talking. about. your. fake. girlfriend.
[04:32:21] <jeev> she's not my girlfriend, she's walked in my friend's shows.
[04:32:24] <jeev> my girlfriend is beautiful.
[04:32:27] <hwdyki> does spf break mail relaying?
[04:32:28] <sahil> sigh
[04:32:37] <sahil> stick to #postfix chatter here, son.
[04:32:46] <sahil> hwdyki: no.
[04:32:51] <jeev> sahil, i think there is over the counter PMS medicine
[04:32:53] <jeev> go get some
[04:33:11] <sahil> jeev: no.  shoo.
[04:33:16] <sahil> n00b.
[04:33:32] <jeev> anyone who types n00b is a fucking pathetic fag
[04:33:37] <jeev> back to t.v. be back in a bit.
[04:33:40] <sahil> you just typed n00b.
[04:33:47] <jeev> yea, referencing to your stupidity.
[04:33:49] <sahil> so, um, does that make you said pathetic fag?
[04:33:55] <sahil> referencing to?
[04:34:02] <sahil> english with somewhat proper grammar, please.
[04:34:46] <sahil> jeev: you're not going to win this kiddo.  i'm just going to keep fscking with you until i have to leave.  just drop it and go fiddle with your UTC headers.
[04:38:25] <jeev> ok turd furgesson
[04:38:33] <jeev> just keep fisting yourself
[04:38:34] <sahil> ooooh, a disss!!!!
[04:38:41] <jeev> you're probably the 750 lb man
[04:38:54] <jeev> lets see if my ignore list is strong enough to carry your fatass.
[04:39:12] <sahil> this coming from the kid who thinks headers are cool!
[04:39:14] <sahil> yeah!  narly!
[04:39:51] <sahil> *ignored*
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[04:49:51] <sahil> hparker: sup
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[04:50:07] <sahil> hparker: don't tell me that jeev clown who can't manipulate headers is still talking? :-)
[04:50:16] <hparker> Not much, putting a new firewall online
[04:50:24] <hparker> no
[04:50:48] <sahil> hparker: cool.  for yourself or client?
[04:50:55] <hparker> mine
[04:51:05] <sahil> using a pfsense one here.
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[04:52:22] <sahil> devdas: you in mumbai by any chance?
[04:52:24] <hparker> nice.. this one is linux based... Playing with an Atom dual core.. Thinking I'm going to start using them for clients now
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[04:55:41] <devdas> sahil, flying back today
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[04:56:35] <hparker> Heya devdas
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[04:58:06] <PatrickDK> is there any way to rewrite the envelope sender address on forwards?
[04:58:45] <PatrickDK> the only thing I see is sender_canonical_maps
[04:59:41] <PatrickDK> basically I need to move the env recpt to env sender, and then env recpt becomes the forwarding address
[04:59:51] <PatrickDK> cause of the great invention of spf :(
[05:01:23] <sahil> devdas: be safe homie.
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[05:10:47] <dbsuperb> question
[05:11:11] <dbsuperb> anyone ever relay email with postfix to google apps?
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[05:30:50] <jeev> any suggestions for greylisting for postfix, which option to use ?
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[05:35:19] <c0rleone> anyone knows why i get this when try send a email (test to my mailserver) 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:  ?
[05:35:32] <c0rleone> and how do i create a account ? ive try useradd but seems not working
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[05:46:39] <sahil> jeev: postgrey
[05:46:53] <sahil> c0rleone: what doesn't work with useradd?
[05:47:00] <sahil> i.e., what is the actual error?
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[09:24:40] <Darten> Hi.
[09:24:47] <growltiger> hi!
[09:24:49] <growltiger> wb
[09:25:03] <Darten> How can I disable mails to system users?
[09:25:37] <Darten> Reading the doc It seems that local(8) delivers to everything in /etc//passwd
[09:26:03] <growltiger> !local
[09:26:04] <knoba> growltiger: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.
[09:26:20] <growltiger> !basic
[09:26:23] <knoba> growltiger: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[09:26:48] <Darten> Read that. Not in there.
[09:27:34] <Darten> That document doesn't even mention 'passwd'.
[09:27:39] <growltiger> !local_transport
[09:27:40] <knoba> growltiger: "local_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport for local destinations. A recipient address is local when its domain matches $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.
[09:28:28] <growltiger> use something like local_transport = /dev/null
[09:28:38] <growltiger> and comment out the local line in master.cf
[09:29:02] <Darten> And  the other users? Some users should get mail...
[09:29:10] <growltiger> what users?
[09:29:19] <Darten> 'daddy' for example.
[09:29:33] <Darten> I have 30 local users.
[09:29:37] <growltiger> is daddy a local user? if so, he's out of luck
[09:29:47] <growltiger> !transport_maps
[09:29:49] <knoba> growltiger: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[09:30:12] <Darten> 5 should get mail normally, 25 are system users and should be 'invisible' to the mail system.
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[09:31:10] <growltiger> alias them to a real account
[09:31:16] <growltiger> or dev/null them
[09:31:38] <Darten> transport_maps is to unflexible: I don't want to list all users or system users ther. I look for some checks on the accounts in passwd. E.g. 'check if the home dir belongs to the user'.
[09:31:42] <growltiger> some system users are required to be able to get mail
[09:31:56] <growltiger> like postmaster and webmaster and such
[09:32:00] <Darten> I have no system user that needs mail.
[09:32:10] <growltiger> else you break some very important rfcs
[09:32:11] <Darten> I have no user postmaster in '/etc/passwd'.
[09:32:31] <Darten> There is no rfc that requires webmaster as email address.
[09:32:49] <Darten> postmaster is in /etc/aliases.
[09:32:50] <growltiger> well postmaster
[09:33:30] <growltiger> !virtual
[09:33:31] <knoba> growltiger: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[09:33:40] <growltiger> you are too picky
[09:34:14] <Darten> Too picky? You like to get mailboxes filled up that nobody reads?
[09:34:35] <Darten> I think that is daily bread.
[09:34:50] <growltiger> disable local, and use virtual for the accounts you want
[09:34:52] <growltiger> simple
[09:35:02] <Darten> That is so normal, that I didn't check..... Hm...
[09:36:23] <Darten> Assuming that you use postfix on some Linux or such. What do you do? Your system uses have already big mailbox files?
[09:36:38] <Darten> system users
[09:36:50] <growltiger> i've admined lots of different mail setups
[09:37:37] <growltiger> last job i had, we handled over 2 million emails a day
[09:37:53] <growltiger> only a few hundred thousand were not spam
[09:38:41] <Darten> All virtual? Or some real "local users"?
[09:39:13] <growltiger> 99 percent virt and some local
[09:40:23] <Darten> How do I disable local, while still mapping some virtual boxes to local users?
[09:40:40] <growltiger> !virtual_alias_maps
[09:40:41] <knoba> growltiger: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
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[09:42:19] <Darten> I know how to map them, but how do I disable smart the 'direct' delivery to local users?
[09:49:09] <growltiger> and comment out the local line in master.cf
[09:51:12] <Darten> But then I cannot map anymore to a local user either... 'postmaster@mydomain    daddy' doesn't work, as daddy gets no email without  local delivery agent...
[09:52:37] <growltiger> !virtual_alias_maps
[09:52:38] <knoba> growltiger: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[09:53:07] <growltiger> !virtual
[09:53:08] <knoba> growltiger: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[09:54:18] <Darten> virtual mailboxes would work, but I have to copy the /etc/passwd over several places, which is not very practical...
[09:56:22] <growltiger> ?
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[09:56:53] <Darten> I actually want some passwd users to exist and some not (for postfix).
[09:57:20] <Darten> This should be determined by the account type. Normal vs. System user.
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[09:58:04] <Darten> What is a system user?
[09:58:52] <Darten> Well, there are  several definition, but some MTA (e.g. qmail) just check some things off the user account, and if they don't fit, they get no email.
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[09:59:28] <Darten> I think I will limit that to the Maildir creation problem: my system users should not be able to create things in their "home dirs" anyway. Problem solved.
[10:00:04] <Darten> Disadvantage: smtpd does not reject to these users, it will bounce instead.
[10:02:18] <Darten> Damn it. 'man' can write to /var/cache/man.
[10:02:50] <Darten> Is there a way to influence the /etc/passwd lookup?
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[15:04:57] <rhalff> hm, I'm looking at google trends, and wondering what this could mean:
[15:05:15] <rhalff> http://www.google.com/trends?q=postfix&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[15:05:41] <rhalff> all mail software is showing a very big decrease in search queries
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[15:06:20] <rhalff> would it mean lesser intrest in this software or just fewer people concerning themselves with server software.
[15:06:37] <rhalff> qmal, sendmail show the same decline.
[15:06:41] <rhalff> qmail
[15:16:23] <Darten> rhalff, what do you do to not deliver emails to system accounts?
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[15:27:56] <higuita> rhalff: http://www.google.com/trends?q=postfix%2Cexim%2Csendmail%2C+qmail&ctab=384975968&geo=all&date=all
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[15:31:36] <higuita> but http://www.google.com/trends?q=postpath%2C+zimbra%2C+scalix&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
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[15:32:28] <rhalff> higuita, yeah but they all decrease though, weird I would have expected them to increase.
[15:32:37] <rhalff> hm, http://www.google.com/trends?q=britney%2Cpostfix%2Cexim%2Csendmail%2Cqmail&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
[15:32:51] <higuita> less people configure just a mail server, the distros are taking care of that and bigger systems want more complete solutions
[15:35:00] <rhalff> good explanation I guess
[15:38:24] <higuita> also, google must have more and more searchs, as http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux%2C+windows&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
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[15:39:06] <higuita> also show a decrease... so thins arent worst, is that there are more competing searchs
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[15:45:07] <rhalff> hm zimbra is pretty intresting
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[16:03:58] <Darten> Hello everyone!
[16:04:44] <Darten> How do you teach the local(8) delivery agent to distinguish between system accounts and 'normal' user accounts. The system accounts should be like non-existing for the postfix.
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[17:18:51] <higuita> Darten: create a alias for each system accout to root/postmaster or create a check_recipient_access filter to filter out the accounts you want
[17:19:51] <higuita> another way is that mydestination is localnet and create a virtual with the real domains you use
[17:20:09] <higuita> as only accounts specified in virtual will be valid, system accounts arent there
[17:20:56] <Darten> higuita: I  would like a dynamic solution like: uid greater than 1000 --> normal user... I look for a solution that does not require a list of system users (I don't want to maintain that).
[17:21:20] <Darten> And I don't want there spam forwarded to postmaster either...
[17:21:37] <Darten> ...I think about the other solutions you said...
[17:21:41] <Darten> (-:
[17:23:22] <higuita> Darten: cat /etc/passwd| sed 's/^\(.*\):[0-9]{4,}:/\1  OK/g; s/^\(.*\):[0-9]{0,3}:.*//g' > /etc/postfix/recipient-list
[17:23:32] <higuita> put this in a cron, problem solved
[17:23:38] <higuita> ohh, postmap it
[17:23:53] <Darten> I don't like poll solutions.
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[17:24:05] <higuita> i didnt confirm if there is any bug, but should be alright
[17:26:32] <Darten> I'm actually fine with listing _valid_ accounts... I check if the virtual thing works..
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[17:30:51] <higuita> Darten: if you dont want the pull solution, use the virtual one
[17:31:24] <higuita> is have done it in the past and it works, as long you dont do a 1 to 1 virtual - local map
[17:31:41] <Darten> I was thinking about replacing the Maildir delivery with maildrop, which does the normal/system user check and delivers to Maildir or bounces.
[17:32:16] <Darten> Why not a 1:1 virtual:local map?
[17:34:38] <Darten> The problem with the virtual solution is: I cannot change all locals to virtuals, because I could not deliver these to the same locals, because they are virtuals now....
[17:34:42] <Darten> You mean that?
[17:38:27] <Darten> higuita: I think I go with the maildrop solution, as it is the only one that does what I actually want: check if the user is a system user or not (UID check and maybe shell check).
[17:39:34] <Darten> Something I have to say: qmail does that automatically, no extra tricks needed. - I'm switching right now from qmail to postfix, and I noticed... ;-)
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[17:51:31] <lunaphyte> honestly, that doesn't really say much about either product.
[17:51:51] <higuita> Darten: in virtual if you do @domain @localnet (if you put in mydestination only the localnet)
[17:52:51] <higuita> it will map all emails@domain to a email@localnet, include system accounts (although there is a virtuai_uid_something, but dont really know what it do)
[17:56:15] <Darten> higuita: if I do it that way, mail can get injected via 'to: systemaccount@localnet'
[17:56:35] <Darten> The virtual_uid_thing does not work for local deliveries.
[17:56:36] <higuita> as i told you, for smaller systems, aliases all system accounts to postmaster is the way to to, for a little bigger, the virtual is probably correct, for big configs, you just have virtual delivery to maildrop or a database, so this isnt a problem
[17:57:22] <higuita> Darten: only if a remote knows what domain you use as mydestination and telnet directly to the port 25
[17:57:27] <lunaphyte> you could also use an access map with check_recipient_access.
[17:57:51] <higuita> but even that, you can filter it out in smtpd via the recipient checks
[17:58:09] <Darten> I see your point. It is just that I don't like the solution, because it raises after maintenance. I will create system accounts over time, maybe the packet manager does that, when I install something. I don't want to care about the system-account to postmaster list at all.
[17:58:23] <higuita> lunaphyte: he dont want to do that, dont know why :)
[18:00:20] <higuita> Darten: my small script to extract valid, invalid accounts to a access list is a good solution with no maintenence
[18:00:29] <higuita> found a bug! :)
[18:00:35] <Darten> higuita: and all local users can do that, too. -- I want to make sure that nobody can provoke under no circumstances, system account users writing files (in their maildirs).
[18:00:52] <higuita> Darten: cat /etc/passwd| sed 's/^\(.*\):[0-9]{4,}:/\1  OK/g; s/^\(.*\):[0-9]{1,3}:.*/\1  REJECT/g' > /etc/postfix/recipient-list
[18:01:09] <higuita> i forgot to add the rejected accounts ;)
[18:01:45] <lunaphyte> higuita: ah, i see.
[18:04:31] <Darten> The check_recipient_access is for SMTP only. It does not affect locally injected mails. And a cronjob provokes an update gap.
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[18:33:46] <bacaci__> why would postfix deliver postmaster mails to the root user?
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[18:34:41] <Zelest> because the postmaster is usually the administrator for mail related stuff.. and that's usually root?
[18:34:45] <loompek> because it was asked to?
[18:34:53] <bacaci__> DBA779C0BF: to=<root at lotuswebmedia dot com>, orig_to=<postmaster at lotuswebmedia dot com>,
[18:35:03] <Zelest> bacaci__, check your /etc/aliases
[18:35:06] <bacaci__> kk
[18:35:08] <bacaci__> thanks
[18:35:31] <Zelest> bacaci__, note that you need to run "newaliases" after you've edited that file.
[18:36:00] <bacaci__> Zelest thanks
[18:37:05] <bacaci__> yeah
[18:37:10] * bacaci__ happy
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[18:39:44] <bacaci__> Zelest, now I'm using authsmtp because my mail server is in EC2, I can't seem to get the relay host configured correctly, I keep getting an error, relay access denied, can you Help?
[18:41:17] <Zelest> If you get relay access denied on the server you're relaying via, it's not at your end.
[18:41:26] <Zelest> (if i understood you correctly)
[18:42:58] <bacaci__> http://dpaste.com/94626/
[18:43:10] <bacaci__> I've configured my account accordingly
[18:43:18] <bacaci__> to allow from email
[18:43:33] <bacaci__> I think the problem is that I'm using sasl_type dovecot
[18:45:30] <bacaci__> any ideas?
[18:46:10] <bacaci__> i'll contact authsmtp
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[18:57:38] <rob0> !relay_denied
[18:57:39] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
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[19:24:43] <Haris_> guys
[19:24:53] <Haris_> how can I debug issues on postfix?
[19:25:07] <devdas> !debug
[19:25:08] <knoba> devdas: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[19:25:10] <Haris_> I am now starting work on the same issue as I mentioned in the morning or last night
[19:25:26] <Haris_> devdas: well, it hasn't given me any noticable verbose output that could give me a clue
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[19:25:37] <Haris_> maybe I'v had the debug levels too low?
[19:26:30] <Haris_> I have debug_peer_level = 4 and debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1
[19:26:41] <Haris_> is that sufficient to generate a verbose output in log?
[19:28:28] <rob0> Not if 127.0.0.1 isn't the peer ...
[19:28:50] <Haris_> how can it not be?
[19:28:58] <Haris_> I'm chekcing logs via shell as root
[19:29:12] <Haris_> I'm th3 @dm|n on th3 fBsD box
[19:29:14] <Haris_> lol
[19:29:20] <Haris_> as they say in pirate ways
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[19:30:52] <Haris_> rob0: I think, I missed your point
[19:31:37] <jeev> any suggestions for greylisting for postfix, which option to use ?
[19:31:38] <rob0> If 127.0.0.1 is the peer with whom you're having trouble, "debug_peer_list = 127.0.0.1" will make verbose output for it.
[19:31:43] <jeev> robert!
[19:32:28] * rob0 no longer uses greylisting
[19:32:38] <jeev> really ?
[19:32:55] <jeev> but does greylisting tell the other server when to retry
[19:32:57] <jeev> a minimum?
[19:33:00] <jeev> or does it just say retry
[19:33:19] <PatrickDK> it can't tell the other server when
[19:33:29] <PatrickDK> that is up to thier config, every min, every 15, every hour, every day
[19:33:44] <rob0> [E]SMTP does not have a means for passing such information. It's in plain text, if anything, and a human could read it.
[19:33:56] <jeev> ahh
[19:34:36] <jeev> jesus, rob. i forgot what yout old me last time
[19:34:42] <jeev> for the delay notification
[19:34:56] <jeev> !delay_warning_time
[19:34:56] <knoba> jeev: "delay_warning_time" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The time after which the sender receives the message headers of mail that is still queued.
[19:35:00] <jeev> oh, was roe
[19:35:59] <jeev> jhmm
[19:36:01] <jeev> one more thing
[19:36:14] <jeev> is it possible to delay the greeting of the banner ?
[19:36:20] <jeev> and then if the client doesn't wait, to disconnect?
[19:36:33] <PatrickDK> jeev, google for postfix uce
[19:36:51] <rob0> greet pause, it can be done but is not recommended
[19:36:56] <jeev> oh
[19:37:08] <jeev> honestly, this thing catches 99.99%
[19:37:10] <jeev> i'm just picky
[19:37:57] <rob0> smtpd_delay_reject = no, and then a sleep and reject_unauth_pipelining in smtpd_client_restrictions
[19:38:48] <rob0> probably most of what a greet pause would catch are also caught by HELO checks and Zen (PBL.)
[19:39:29] <jeev> ahh ok
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[19:40:27] <jeev> i'd greylist if i could control the time they send it again
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[19:47:37] <rob0> If you could do that, spammers could implement it too, and greylisting would be useless.
[19:48:05] <jeev> i wonder if yahoo greylists my new server
[19:48:06] <jeev> anyway
[19:48:12] <jeev> mta to mta, ssl is lame
[19:48:14] <jeev> it still fails
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[21:11:29] <MrParanoia> yesterday i was able to send mail from kmail via postfix and now i can't - don't know what changed other than something is buggy - i have been unable to relay via another smtp server that i'm subscribed to ever since upgrading from mandriva 2008.1 to 2009.0 - i guess i'll have to roll back to 2008.1 to confirm my belief
[21:12:15] <MrParanoia> now i can't relay via my local postfix server or the other server
[21:12:45] <MrParanoia> too many other bugs in mandriva 2009.0 anyway
[21:12:46] <dh> Try to send mail just by telneting to smtp port
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[21:15:43] <MrParanoia> i can send mail using webmin - can't remember how to do the telnet thing
[21:17:22] <dh> helo yourhostname;mail from: <your@email>;rcpt to: <another at email>;data;test; dot ;quit;
[21:17:27] <dh> s/;/\n/g
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[21:19:56] <rob0> Here's a thought: look in LOGS, rather than try to guess!
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[21:21:17] <MrParanoia> dh: got relay access denied
[21:21:32] <rob0> !relay_denied
[21:21:32] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
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[21:23:33] <MrParanoia> it was setup in mynetworks but i can check even though i didn't change it
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[21:33:14] <solexious> How can I set up accounts for when I loging though smtp?
[21:33:34] <solexious> I log in though*
[21:35:30] <PatrickDK> sasl or dovecot
[21:36:17] <devdas> !sasl
[21:36:17] <knoba> devdas: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[21:38:22] <Haris_> why would mta <-ssl-> mta fail?
[21:39:18] <PatrickDK> haris, heh, it's amazing you expected it to work :)
[21:39:27] <PatrickDK> I can name a crapload of things why it might fail
[21:39:36] <PatrickDK> but I'm sure you don't want a list that is 1000+ entries long
[21:40:39] <rob0> And Haris_'s logs probably have a clue as to why it DID fail.
[21:41:01] <PatrickDK> heh, why start and the correct point? it's more fun the other way
[21:41:50] <solexious> How can I find out that smtp logons are avalible?
[21:42:08] <solexious> i.e. usernames allready setup
[21:43:02] <PatrickDK> solexious, sasl
[21:43:47] <solexious> how do i check with sasl?
[21:43:58] <PatrickDK> that depends on your sasl config
[21:44:05] <PatrickDK> there are many ways to set it up and use it
[21:44:09] <solexious> hehe, where do i find that?
[21:44:22] <PatrickDK> on your harddrive I would assume
[21:44:22] <sahil> the accounts can be 'set up' as unix local accounts, mysql entries, flat files; there are a variety of ways depending on what you use to authenticate, et cetera.
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[21:44:59] <devdas> solexious: see the !sasl above
[21:45:03] <sahil> solexious: devdas already linked you to the requisite documentation with which you should become familiar.  then, if you have specific questions, this is the place to ask them.
[21:45:08] <solexious> very droll PatrickDK
[21:45:14] <Haris_> I see
[21:45:27] <rob0> If you need to learn how to use your OS, you should read its documentation. This is not the best place to ask about such things.
[21:45:50] <sahil> rob0: i thought this was #handholding?
[21:46:00] <rob0> :)
[21:46:13] <solexious> I'm just a bit confused as I have mailman installed so im trying to work out what it has setup with postfix
[21:46:30] <devdas> solexious: mailman has nothing to do with SMTP AUTH
[21:46:37] <sahil> solexious: we're just a bit confused because we're not sure you've read any documentation and have yet to ask a specific question.
[21:47:09] <solexious> devdas, O, i thought it connected though smtp to send email
[21:47:22] <devdas> solexious: two different things
[21:47:28] * sahil rolls his eyes
[21:47:30] <solexious> sahil, Sorry, I should have thought though my questions better
[21:47:35] <sahil> solexious: indeed.
[21:48:06] <solexious> sahil, wow
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[21:54:11] <solexious> If i set smtp_sasl_password_maps = foo.conf and put user at domain dot com:password in the foo.conf I can login though smtp with those credentials?
[21:54:43] <devdas> It's a map
[21:54:49] <devdas> (hint hash:/. ..)
[21:55:02] <rob0> How about you describe the problem? Is it mailman, unable to send?
[21:55:09] <devdas> smtp != smtpD
[21:55:34] <MrParanoia> mynetworks is set up correctly
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[21:56:12] <solexious> rob0, nothing to do with mailman, I just dont want to tread on its toes while setting up a smtp logon account
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[21:56:33] <rob0> "smtp logon account"
[21:56:47] <rob0> try that in plain language
[21:57:03] <solexious> a username and password I can use to log into my smtp server
[21:57:30] <jeev> damn
[21:57:35] <sahil> solexious: what do you mean login?  login in order to authenticate for the purpose of relaying through said server?
[21:57:42] <jeev> my mailzu is trying to connect to the FQDN instead of localhost 9998 :/
[21:57:43] <rob0> to send mail while you're away?
[21:57:57] <solexious> sahil, rob0, Correct
[21:58:13] <rob0> !sasl
[21:58:14] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[21:58:44] <solexious> rob0, reading though that at the mo
[21:59:03] <sahil> rob0: ha, devdas tried that a moment ago; seems like solexious is loath to reading.
[21:59:07] <jeev> rob0, if i alter this..you think it'll break something? "Check the 'host'
[21:59:07] <jeev> column of the 'msgs' table. Please make sure that you can connect to the AM.PDP
[21:59:07] <jeev> port of the host listed in that record from the host that runs MailZu.
[21:59:10] <jeev> woops, sorry
[22:00:08] <solexious> sahil, see my message above yours
[22:00:22] <sahil> solexious: focus on the document.
[22:00:27] <sahil> fukus
[22:00:32] <sahil> as they say in praha.
[22:00:45] <jeev> crap, msgs host is the actual mx hostname, i can't open that.. i'll open it if i HAVE to release i guess
[22:01:07] <solexious> sahil, I am, and asking questions where I think I have the answer, obvously I'm not getting it so far
[22:01:22] <sahil> solexious: wait what?  you already have the answer?
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[22:08:52] <rob0> I have the answer: 42.
[22:09:07] <wdp> rob0, wait
[22:09:13] <wdp> my cluster is still computing
[22:10:14] * rob0 waits
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[22:18:04] <sahil> 42.4008398728101.
[22:18:25] <wdp> rob0, shit... kernel panic
[22:18:35] <wdp> rob0, now i need to start again :/
[22:18:41] <wdp> will take again 10 years
[22:19:34] <devdas> ITYM 10 million years
[22:19:50] <devdas> no 7.5 million for the answer, 10 million for the question
[22:19:57] <xpoint> 42
[22:20:20] <devdas> and the experiment blows up before it ends
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[23:26:58] <jeev> what do you guys suggest for webmail? horde is a little weird.
[23:28:20] <jimpop> jeev: neomail
[23:28:40] <jeev> hm
[23:28:47] <jimpop> http://sourceforge.net/projects/neomail/
[23:29:08] <jimpop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeoMail
[23:29:31] <jimpop> and then there is: http://openwebmail.org/  (based on neomail)
[23:29:37] <jeev> directly with mail spools
[23:29:38] <jeev> heh
[23:29:40] <jeev> i need pop or imap
[23:30:22] <jimpop> fetchmail -> local spool... read with (neo|openweb)mail
[23:30:45] <jeev> hmm
[23:30:47] <jeev> i dunno
[23:30:51] <jeev> i'm thinking maybe i've gotta do horde
[23:30:54] <jeev> it's easiest on the friends.
[23:31:08] <jimpop> ahh, the criteria changes. ;-)
[23:31:14] <jeev> yea
[23:31:40] <jimpop> horde uses php... something i avoid.  make sure you secure it and keep it patched
[23:36:09] <jeev> yea
[23:36:10] <jeev> hm
[23:36:17] <jeev> maybe i do squirrelmail
[23:36:41] <jimpop> that is php based too. ;-)
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[23:38:56] <arooni-mobile> i want to be able to send emails from foodomain.com.  i have already set up na A record such that it goes to my ip address
[23:38:59] <arooni-mobile> what else do i need to set up?
[23:39:42] <jimpop> arooni-mobile: it can't hurt to add an SPF txt record for the domain
[23:39:54] <arooni-mobile> spf?
[23:40:12] <jimpop> http://openspf.org
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[23:41:04] <jimpop> and you will want your IP provider to setup a PTR record for the IP address sending email
[23:41:04] <arooni-mobile> jimpop, strictly speaking
[23:41:09] <arooni-mobile> is the a record all i need
[23:41:14] <arooni-mobile> for postfix to be able to its magic
[23:41:21] <arooni-mobile> if i want my server to serve as mail transfer agent?
[23:41:29] <jimpop> arooni-mobile: no, you will need the PTR for most sites to accept your email
[23:41:36] <arooni-mobile> PTR?
[23:41:38] <arooni-mobile> cname?
[23:41:48] <jimpop> no, reverse lookup
[23:42:08] <arooni-mobile> how do i do that
[23:42:24] <jimpop> A = foodomain.com,  PTR for foodomain.com would be xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx  (IP addr)
[23:42:37] <jimpop> the owner of the IP block has to setup PTRs
[23:43:05] <jimpop> if you have the IP block delegation from ARIN, etc, then you do that.  Otherwise it's your ISP
[23:44:35] <rob0> !fcrdns
[23:44:36] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[23:44:47] <arooni-mobile> ah ok
[23:46:47] <jeev> i need to set up domainkeys
[23:46:48] <jeev> i think
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