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[00:30:26] <xpoint> jduggan, seive can not scan body content
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[00:38:21] <jduggan> xpoint: yea, read some docs
[00:38:41] <jduggan> there are drafts for it though by the looks
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[00:39:48] <xpoint> maybe later it will, sieve is on development now olso dovecot is a bit unstable there, but it still rooks
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[01:14:44] <tundra> Hello, I have a postfix server that's working as an MX server that relays email to another server, I want to monitor the account abuse, keep a copy of the emails in the MX server and let the message continue its way to the destination server
[01:14:49] <tundra> does anyone know how can I do that?
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[01:17:19] <ArdRigh> !relayhost
[01:17:19] <knoba> ArdRigh: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[01:17:48] <ArdRigh> !transport
[01:17:49] <knoba> ArdRigh: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
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[01:24:24] <sahil> tundra: perhaps bcc maps of some sort?
[01:28:38] <tundra> the ISP will write to the abuse account, it will get to the MX, I want to redirect the email to a script to parse and get info from it, and then let it go the abuse inbox on the destination server
[01:29:43] <tundra> The MX is already working and delivering everything on the destination server, but I want to monitor on the MX server the abuse account to get info from it. hotmail will send the junk reports to that account.
[01:30:44] <tundra> I want to remove the emails reported by hotmail from out lists
[01:30:50] <Haris_> guys
[01:30:51] <Haris_> Nov 28 02:15:56 msc3 amavis[5989]: (05989-01-10) (!)FWD via SMTP: <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk> -> <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, 451 4.5.0 From MTA([212.110.95.8]:10025) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting:  at (eval 53) line 442, <GEN24> line 5288.): id=05989-01-10
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[01:31:02] <Haris_> what's a .. negative greeting?
[01:31:18] * Haris_ googles
[01:32:13] <Haris_> Now this IS a postfix question
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[01:59:47] <Haris_> 127.0.0.1:10025 inet    n    -    y     -       -       smtpd
[02:00:07] <Haris_> this line on postfix box doesn't need to have 127.0.0.1?
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[02:27:28] <Haris_> guys, anyone around?
[02:27:47] <Haris_> I need some info on that negative greeting problem
[02:27:56] <Haris_> amavis is unable to report back to postfix
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[02:38:37] <puff> Hm, I have been assuming that /etc/aliases comment supported end-of-line comments, e.g.  a line like "foo: bar  # alias for my subscription to catfancier-online.com".  But the aliases man page does not explicitly say that.
[02:44:28] <rob0> And when you tried it, you found ... ?
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[02:47:58] <puff> rob0: Well mostly no problems, but I noticed one mailer error where it appeared it was trying to send to an email address that looks like one of the comments.
[02:48:19] <puff> rob0: But I didn't see any similare rrors for any of the other comments.
[02:49:08] <Haris_> ANy ideas on the negative greeting issue?
[02:50:06] <Haris_> postfix is configured to run on 127.0.0.1:10025 via master, and amavis box is unable to conncet to postfix box
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[02:55:16] <Haris_> I changed the IP, but that didn't help
[02:57:31] <Haris_> postfix says -> Nov 28 02:55:53 mc2 postfix/lmtp[97845]: C1CE647BD6B: to=<root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, orig_to=<root>, relay=212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13]:10024, conn_use=5, delay=86085, delays=85950/102/0.01/33, dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13] said: 451 4.5.0 From MTA([212.110.95.8]:10025) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting:  at (eval 53) line 442, <GEN24> line 10170.): id=06790-04-5 (in reply to end of DATA command))
[02:57:52] <Haris_> amavis says -> Nov 28 03:43:01 msc3 amavis[7115]: (07115-02-6) (!)FWD via LMTP: <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk> -> <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, 451 4.5.0 From MTA([212.110.95.8]:10025) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting:  at (eval 53) line 442, <GEN24> line 4116.): id=07115-02-6
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[03:44:04] <pldrouin> I would like to know how I can configure postfix to not use the relay_host for addresses not included by relay_domains or relay_recipient_maps?
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[03:49:39] <sahil> pldrouin: what problem exactly are you trying to solve?  give an example.
[03:49:59] <rob0> /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: relay_host: unknown parameter
[03:50:32] <sahil> s/relay_host/relayhost/
[03:50:40] <pldrouin> I meant relayhost
[03:50:58] <rob0> relayhost is unrelated to relay_domains / relay_recipient_maps
[03:51:10] <rob0> !relay_domains
[03:51:11] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[03:51:40] <rob0> relay_domains are domains where you are the MX but not the final destination.
[03:51:59] <pldrouin> I have a backup smtp server that relays emails to the main server for some addresses that I specify using relay_domains and relay_recipient_maps
[03:52:15] <rob0> anyway, please answer sahil ...
[03:52:36] <pldrouin> I specify the main server via relayhost
[03:52:42] <rob0> um, sounds like you need transport_maps
[03:52:56] <rob0> usually you do, with relay_domains
[03:53:15] <pldrouin> But I would like avoiding using the main server when I send emails to other addresses from mynetworks
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[03:55:21] <pldrouin> rob0: So does it mean that I would not need relayhost at all?
[03:56:28] <rob0> !relayhost
[03:56:29] <knoba> rob0: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[03:56:55] <rob0> if you're in bad or dynamic IP netspace, you need a relayhost
[03:56:56] <pldrouin> My backup server is not the final destination, but it is listed as a MX and I want it to relay emails that match relay_domains and relay_recipient_maps to the main server
[03:57:12] <rob0> !fcrdns
[03:57:12] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[03:57:13] <pldrouin> nope, I have a static IP and reverse DNS
[03:57:17] <rob0> ok
[03:57:30] <rob0> then no, you probably do not need a relayhost
[03:58:21] <pldrouin> So how will the backup server know which server is the final destination for the matching domains/addresses?
[03:58:49] <pldrouin> Suppose I have more than 2 servers listed as MX
[03:59:05] <pldrouin> but that only one is the final destination
[03:59:10] <rob0> 02:54 < rob0> um, sounds like you need transport_maps
[03:59:14] <rob0> 02:54 < rob0> usually you do, with relay_domains
[03:59:53] <pldrouin> ok, so in transport_maps I can specify which server to relay mail to for relay_domains?
[04:00:22] <cite> Good morning.
[04:00:23] <rob0> see transport.5.html ("man 5 transport")
[04:00:47] <rob0> you're up early, cite :)
[04:01:08] <cite> I' always up around 4. This way at least I get some things done befor the meetings statr ;-)
[04:01:31] <pldrouin> I guess this is what I need: relay_transport (default: relay:)
[04:01:31] <pldrouin>               This  is  the default for remote delivery to domains listed with
[04:01:31] <pldrouin>               relay_domains. In order of decreasing  precedence,  the  nexthop
[04:01:31] <pldrouin>               destination   is   taken   from  relay_transport,  sender_depen-
[04:01:31] <pldrouin>               dent_relayhost_maps, relayhost, or from the recipient domain.
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[04:12:25] <pldrouin> So in main.cf, I have commented out the line about relayhost, and I have added the following line:
[04:12:40] <pldrouin> relay_transport = smtp:smtp.myserver.com
[04:12:47] <pldrouin> Does it look right to you?
[04:13:20] <rob0> [] brackets to inhibit MX lookup of smtp.myserver.com
[04:14:16] <pldrouin> sorry, I did not know that trick. Where should I put the brackets? Like this: [smtp.myserver.com] ?
[04:21:18] <cite> Yes.
[04:21:36] <cite> smtp:[host]
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[04:22:20] <pldrouin> thanks
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[04:30:21] <pldrouin> I tested it and it seems to work the way I want now
[04:30:24] <pldrouin> Thanks!
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[04:39:16] <z\a> http://pastebin.com/m2bbd8023
[04:41:11] <z\a> im unable to telnet localhost 25
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[04:53:09] <rob0> !tls
[04:53:10] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[04:53:15] <rob0> !tls_readme
[04:53:15] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[04:53:37] <rob0> telnet is not SSL-enabled, try "man s_client"
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[04:54:17] <wwalker> how do I specify an alternate port for relayhost (465 or 587)?
[04:55:46] <rob0> 465 (smtps) is not directly supported, but there's a hack with stunnel in the TLS_README.
[04:56:11] <z\a> rob0 was this for me?
[04:56:13] <rob0> smtp:[relayhost]:587 IIRC
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[04:56:23] <c0rleone> anyone knows how do i fix this [ID 947731 mail.warning] warning: connect to private/anvil: No such device or address ?
[04:57:17] <rob0> c, what did you do, an OS upgrade? It sounds like your Postfix was improperly upgraded.
[04:57:44] <c0rleone> did nothing... weird
[05:02:07] <c0rleone> is all fucked up
[05:02:08] <c0rleone> Checking and fixing permissions
[05:02:08] <c0rleone> chown: /usr/local/man/man1/newaliases.1: No such file or directory
[05:02:08] <c0rleone> pkgadd: ERROR: postinstall script did not complete successfully
[05:02:11] <c0rleone> dunno why
[05:04:23] <wwalker> rob0: so there is no built in TLS support at all in postfix?  I have a SMTP AUTH using TLS and LOGIN or PLAIN as a smart host that I use.  Just got an MBP and it is postfix (I'm OLD so I learned sendmail and am 100% postfix ignorant)
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[05:08:18] <z\a> Nov 28 12:08:20 freebsd dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=<syntax at freebsd dot mindgate.net>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured
[05:08:18] <z\a> Nov 28 12:08:20 freebsd dovecot: POP3(syntax at freebsd dot mindgate.net): mail_location: mbox: mkdir(/mail) failed: Permission denied
[05:08:18] <z\a> Nov 28 12:08:20 freebsd dovecot: Fatal: POP3(syntax at freebsd dot mindgate.net): Namespace initialization failed
[05:08:35] <z\a> help anyone? :D
[05:09:00] <Verilium> Maybe ask in #dovecot? ;)
[05:09:23] <z\a> heh i did. :(
[05:09:31] <z\a> im goin crazy over this.
[05:09:31] <Verilium> ...but, from what I can see, permission denied with the /mail would be a good clue.
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[05:10:55] <wwalker> z\a: ls -ld ~syntax ~syntax/mail
[05:11:27] <wwalker> which command is used to flush the mail queue?
[05:13:48] <Verilium> wwalker:  postqueue
[05:13:59] <Verilium> wwal;  or even simply postfix
[05:14:01] <wwalker> Verilium: thank you
[05:15:12] <devdas> mailq -q
[05:15:29] <devdas> or postsuper -d ALL, depending on what you mean by flush
[05:16:29] <Dominian> postqueue -f will flush the queue
[05:16:38] <Dominian> postsuper -d will delete queued messages
[05:18:31] <wwalker> postqueue -f is what I want.  Trying to get it working with a relayhost.  each time I fix a config at either end need to flush the queue to see if the message will go through :)
[05:18:33] <Verilium> Basically, there's numerous ways. ;)
[05:19:03] <Dominian> wwalker: well.. yes and no
[05:19:04] <Verilium> ...which in the end, all make a call to the same method anyway.
[05:19:20] <Dominian> postsuper -d doesn't do any flushing
[05:19:24] <Dominian> it deletes the messages..
[05:19:45] <Dominian> wwalker: flushing the queue may not work with mail routing changes.. you may have to requeue them
[05:22:01] <wwalker> Dominian: thanks.  it seems to have worked.  they left the queue, but the receiving server's maillog doesn't show receiving it (our end says the other end received it.  I must need more caffeine)
[05:22:23] <Dominian> ehhe
[05:22:31] <Dominian> well if you got a 250 OK.. then it took the messages
[05:24:56] <Verilium> Well, especially if the remote server gave you a queue id, would be kind of weird..
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[05:41:01] <wwalker> Dominian: thanks.  It was a masquerading issue.  I was in the log but only after the To address had been rewritten.   I can now use mutt on my Mac until I learn to use these strange GUI applications...
[05:41:33] <Dominian> hehe
[05:41:37] <Dominian> mac server?
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[05:43:11] <wwalker> Dominian: notebook.  after 19 years of a *nix/X11 desktop I'm making the move to Mac OS X.  Mail is too important and GUIs are too slow
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[05:44:07] <growltiger_> pine
[05:45:33] <rob0> burp
[05:45:56] <Dominian> wwalker: mac os x is nice
[05:46:04] <rob0> devdas was here while I was gone!
[05:46:14] <growltiger_> it's UNIX as well
[05:46:24] <rob0> I was a bit worried, since IIRC he's in or near Mumbai.
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[05:48:16] <wwalker> growltiger_: Rock beats scissors, mutt chew pine :-)
[05:48:59] <wwalker> if it weren't a *nix, I'd've never switched.  I've used LInux as my desktop and all my servers since Jan '94
[05:49:59] <growltiger_> i use everything
[05:50:59] <wwalker> I saved myself a decade of pain by not using windows for the last 15 years.
[05:51:44] <growltiger_> i only use it for games and i am forced to use it at work, although i use my freebsd vmware vm most of the time
[05:52:54] <rob0> Um, to split hairs I must point out that 15 years is more than a decade. :)
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[06:33:24] <linux_manju> Hi All
[06:34:05] <linux_manju> Currently my mails are getting delivered to $HOME of a user ( Which is /home/domain/$username/Maildir/ )
[06:34:28] <linux_manju> Is it possible to deliver the mail in an alternate path ( Otherthan the Home dir ) ?
[06:34:52] <linux_manju> Say for eg.. /Mails/$user without changing the $HOME of all users?
[06:34:57] <Dominian> !basic
[06:34:58] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[06:35:21] <linux_manju> knoba: Checking.. thanks..
[06:37:07] <linux_manju> knoba: That does not answer my question...
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[06:37:33] <linux_manju> knoba: FYI.. I am not a basic user.. I am maintaing a mail server with an user base of 1200 accounts
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[06:38:28] <linux_manju> knoba: I dont want to change the user home directory as that will affect other services... But I only want Mails to be delivered elsewhere...
[06:38:57] <linux_manju> knoba: symlink would work .. But thats not the way I want to approach it
[06:39:01] <deface> 1200 users and you dont know where to change delivery ?
[06:39:18] <deface> hmm
[06:39:21] <linux_manju> deface: Surprisingly no... :P
[06:39:38] <linux_manju> deface: As I told I dont want to change the $HOME of an user.
[06:39:42] <deface> well, i doubt you have 1200 actual users
[06:39:51] <deface> virtual ?
[06:40:00] <linux_manju> deface: Actual system users
[06:40:14] <deface> thats stupid
[06:40:23] <linux_manju> deface: Why is that?
[06:40:54] <deface> was it you, or the prior admin who decided the best way to create a postfix account was to make an actual system user
[06:41:11] <linux_manju> deface: This server is NOT only a mail server .. its a centralized authentication server with NIS and LDAP running on it
[06:41:29] <linux_manju> deface: The above one answers your question.. I guess
[06:41:31] <deface> exactly, why not virtual users
[06:42:06] <linux_manju> deface: Well.. When you have to mandatorily create a legitimate system users..
[06:42:14] <linux_manju> Why go with virtual configuration
[06:42:32] <linux_manju> Irrespective of Mail server is there or not..
[06:42:35] <deface> !mailbox_command
[06:42:36] <knoba> deface: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[06:43:03] <linux_manju> The system users need to be created for the development activity..
[06:43:16] <linux_manju> deface: Does that explain ?
[06:43:24] <linux_manju> explain=make sense
[06:43:45] <deface> lets hope they're chrooted, if they've got ssh ax
[06:44:58] <linux_manju> deface: Chrooted.. Nope
[06:45:07] <linux_manju> deface: SSH / Telnet .. disabled
[06:45:10] <deface> and w/ 1200 users, i would have gone AD for ldap
[06:45:24] <linux_manju> deface: Makes no sense.. as
[06:45:39] <linux_manju> 1) all 1200 users are Linux / Fbsd only users
[06:45:47] <linux_manju> 2) LDAP is just there for fun..
[06:45:49] <rob0> Nothing is "stupid" about local v. virtual, if you know what you're doing.
[06:45:53] <linux_manju> Mainly we use NIS
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[06:47:08] <deface> so once again, theirs no point in using an actual user
[06:47:47] <deface> but hey, your call .. try the above
[06:51:29] <z\> help in understanding this erros in maillog?
[06:51:33] <Haris1> so guys
[06:51:42] <Haris1> How about the postfix <-> amavis error
[06:51:45] <z\> http://pastebin.com/d1de17f43
[06:51:47] <Haris1> postfix is configured wrong?
[06:51:58] <Haris1> amavis is unable to return the message to postfix
[06:52:35] <deface> z\: mail_location: mbox: mkdir(/mail) failed: Permission denied
[06:52:48] <deface> warning: connect to transport smtp-amavis: Connection refused
[06:53:10] <z\> how could i fix em?
[06:53:31] <deface> pastebin your master.cf
[06:53:37] <z\> okies
[06:53:42] <deface> Haris1: what error ? i see no log
[06:53:49] <Haris1> pasting
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[06:54:24] <Haris1> this is from postfix log -> Nov 28 06:08:21 mc2 postfix/lmtp[215]: 6BFE14785B0: to=<root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, orig_to=<root>, relay=212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13]:10024, delay=3730020, delays=3730019/0.03/0.01/1.8, dsn=4.5.0, status=deferred (host 212.110.95.13[212.110.95.13] said: 451 4.5.0 From MTA([212.110.95.8]:25) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting:  at (eval 53) line 442, <GEN24> line 320.): id=08759-02 (in reply to end of DATA command))
[06:54:45] <deface> !pastebin
[06:54:46] <knoba> deface: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[06:54:53] <Haris1> O..k
[06:54:54] <Haris1> lol
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[06:55:07] <deface> and paste more than just that
[06:56:09] <z\> here
[06:56:10] <z\> http://pastebin.com/d5642e7dc
[06:56:37] <deface> #smtp-amavis
[06:56:43] <deface> looks like you've disabled it, but did you reload postfix ?
[06:56:51] <Haris1> http://rafb.net/p/Epl93j54.html
[06:57:14] <Haris1> This is a new box I'm building, please ignore the other messages
[06:57:26] <deface> Negative greeting .. its from amavis, not postfix
[06:57:46] <Haris1> ?
[06:57:49] <Haris1> I don't understand
[06:57:57] <deface> warning: SASL: Connect to smtpd failed .. thats postfix
[06:58:22] <deface> !chroot
[06:58:23] <knoba> deface: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[06:58:32] <Haris1> well, postfix should deliver those mails to the relevant mailbox
[06:58:46] <Haris1> does that mean, amavis is not returning a status of good or bad?
[06:59:00] <deface> yeah, postfix is handing it over to amavis
[06:59:19] <deface> warning: SASL: Connect to smtpd failed: No such file or directory <-- looks like a messed up chroot
[06:59:36] <Haris1> na.. right now I'm worried only abou the amavis problem
[06:59:44] <Haris1> why isn't mail comming back from amavis .. hmm
[07:00:24] <deface> 2 different servers ?
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[07:00:31] <deface> im seeing mc2 & mcs3
[07:00:38] <deface> msc3 *
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[07:00:49] <Haris1> yes
[07:00:56] <z\> deface, here's my master.cf http://pastebin.com/d5642e7dc
[07:01:01] <Haris1> mc2 = postfix, msc3 = amavis box
[07:01:12] <deface> is that necessary ?
[07:01:21] <Haris1> yes
[07:01:21] <deface> whats your expected load ?
[07:01:29] <Haris1> 1000- 18K mailboxes
[07:01:34] <Haris1> 1000 - 18K mailboxes
[07:01:41] <deface> z\: yes, and i answered
[07:01:50] <deface> z\: looks like you've disabled it, but did you reload postfix ?
[07:01:56] <Haris1> this box has been recently upgraded from PIII to quad core Xeon E5405
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[07:02:34] <z\> how do i reload postfix? isnt it just a reboot? /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postfix restart?
[07:02:36] <deface> mailbox count means nothing, its a message count you'd have to worry about
[07:02:46] <deface> reload
[07:02:50] <deface> postfix reload
[07:03:25] <Haris1> well
[07:03:35] <Haris1> visualize the traffic for that many mailboxes =)
[07:03:57] <Haris1> I expect more than 1000 messages every 5 mins.
[07:04:04] <deface> relying on 1 server to host 18k mailboxes isn't recommended
[07:04:07] <z\> done, how about this Nov 28 12:08:20 freebsd dovecot: POP3(syntax at freebsd dot mindgate.net): mail_location: mbox: mkdir(/mail) failed: Permission denied
[07:04:16] <devdas> Haris1, not much :)
[07:04:21] <Haris1> deface: You'r side tracking from the original issue at hand :[
[07:04:28] <deface> unless your on some type of dfs, loosing that many mailboxes .. nasty
[07:04:38] <Haris1> deface: postfix and amavis are hosted on seperate boxes right now
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[07:04:47] <deface> Haris1: fix delivery, then i'll fix amavis :)
[07:04:52] <deface> i already told you what to look for
[07:04:54] <deface> !chroot
[07:04:54] <knoba> deface: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[07:05:21] <z\> is the chroot for me?
[07:05:29] <Haris1> I HATE .. chroot
[07:05:31] <deface> z\: check permissions on your delivery dir
[07:05:36] <deface> z\ no
[07:05:39] <Haris1> I'm not implementing chroot =)
[07:05:55] <deface> Haris1: postconf -n & your master.cf please
[07:06:04] <z\> deface sorry to be a dumb dumb, but where could that be?> the delivery dir?
[07:06:12] <z\> syntax doesnt exist as a user
[07:06:23] <z\> im trying to setup a virtual user/domain mail server..
[07:06:27] <deface> z\: in your dovecot config
[07:06:37] <z\> following this steps http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=11
[07:07:01] <deface> z\: so you either missed a step, or there wrong
[07:07:49] <Haris1> http://rafb.net/p/IhsM9V84.html
[07:08:03] <z\> been trying to install a mail server on this box for a couple of times tho.
[07:08:12] <z\> all of them wont work.
[07:08:42] <UQlev> z\: your link is to postfixadmin not to a postfix itself
[07:09:25] <Haris1> there's nothing wrong with postfix config or master.cf
[07:09:33] <Haris1> as the paste shows
[07:09:53] <Haris1> maybe I should change 127.0.0.1:10025 to public-IP:10025 ?
[07:10:01] <Haris1> in master.cf
[07:10:09] <z\> UQlev what do you mean?
[07:10:42] <UQlev> z\: have you got problem installing postfix or postfixadmin?
[07:11:06] <Haris1> I just need a clue where I'm going wrong
[07:12:47] <deface> Haris1: what does forward_method in amavisd.conf look like ?
[07:13:27] <z\> well i did screwed up before i tried to install postfix from a source not from the ports
[07:13:40] <z\> then i installed one from the ports
[07:13:56] <z\> it was successfull same with postfixadmin -- the installation
[07:13:56] <Haris1> # grep method 20-debian_defaults
[07:13:56] <Haris1> $forward_method = 'smtp:[212.110.95.8]:25';
[07:13:56] <Haris1> $notify_method = 'smtp:[212.110.95.8]:10025';
[07:14:13] <Haris1> I have to restart amavis to enable $notify_method
[07:15:38] <Haris1> as far as I think, postfix via master.cf is listening on 127.0.0.1:10025, while amavis is expecting it to listen on 212.110.95.8:10025 ?
[07:16:10] <Haris1> so when amavis contacts 95.8 to send it back the mail, it gets connection refused, rather than postfix at the other side
[07:16:37] <Haris1> what is 451 error?
[07:16:41] <deface> i dont use amavis, but thats possible
[07:16:54] <deface> server convif error
[07:16:59] <deface> config*
[07:17:03] <Haris1> 451 	Requested action aborted: local error in processing
[07:17:12] <Haris1> that means something's wrong with postfix's config
[07:17:25] <deface> yeah, your smtpd is jacked
[07:17:29] <Haris1> since amavis log says -> Nov 28 08:02:41 msc3 amavis[9125]: (09125-01-5) (!)FWD via SMTP: <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk> -> <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, 451 4.5.0 From MTA([212.110.95.8]:25) during fwd-connect (Negative greeting:  at (eval 53) line 442, <GEN24> line 12136.): id=09125-01-5
[07:17:39] <z\> UQlev.. what should i do?
[07:17:46] <Haris1> Ok, so what could be wrong with postfix config? hmm
[07:17:50] <deface> warning: SASL: Connect to smtpd failed: No such file or directory
[07:18:41] <Haris1> let me fix this
[07:18:44] <deface> 212.110.95.8 25
[07:18:46] <deface> gives no greeting
[07:20:21] <Haris1> does it need to?
[07:21:04] <Haris1> let me change that back to 10025
[07:23:37] <deface> yes
[07:23:46] <deface> smtp needs to respond to a helo/ehlo
[07:25:14] <Haris1> how do I enable it?
[07:25:21] <Haris1> I can one setting for banner, one for helo
[07:25:27] <Haris1> which one is need?
[07:25:29] <Haris1> the banner?
[07:25:50] <deface> yah
[07:26:12] <deface> smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP
[07:26:31] <z\> erm.
[07:27:19] <Haris1> Nov 28 07:25:51 mc2 postfix/smtpd[1191]: fatal: unexpected command-line argument: 212.110.95.0/26
[07:27:45] <Haris1> I have this in master.cf -> -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8, 212.110.95.0/26
[07:28:12] <deface> seperate them w/ a space
[07:28:13] <deface> not ,
[07:28:22] <Haris1> great!
[07:28:24] <Haris1> it was this message
[07:28:26] <Haris1> this error
[07:28:31] <Haris1> ok
[07:28:45] <Haris1> usually, in main.cf we use ,
[07:29:11] <deface> no, there all spaces
[07:29:22] <Haris1> what does this mean Blocked MTA-BLOCKED -> Nov 28 08:13:38 msc3 amavis[9428]: (09428-03) Blocked MTA-BLOCKED, <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk> -> <root at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, Message-ID: <20081126015717.52D5747890E at mc2 dot mol.com.mk>, mail_id: 2u7DgDerG--I, Hits: -0.58, size: 179110, 16235 ms
[07:29:48] <deface> amavis needs to be fixed
[07:30:37] <deface> Haris1: get delivery working first, then bring im amavis
[07:31:14] <rob0> devdas: how's it going?
[07:31:30] <Haris1> you'v seen my postconf -n and master.cf
[07:31:35] <Haris1> delivery should! be working!
[07:31:36] <devdas> Friends and family are still alive
[07:31:41] <rob0> good :)
[07:31:47] <Haris1> what do you mean, still alive?
[07:31:52] <Haris1> you expect to be bombed?
[07:31:53] <rob0> He's in Mumbai
[07:32:14] <Haris1> ah, I'm totally perplexed about why that happened in Mumbai
[07:32:32] <deface> Haris1: delivery may be working, but your handing off to amavis
[07:32:32] <Haris1> sure there's alot of injustice there, but the BBC report said, the perpetrators were after foreigners only
[07:33:01] <Haris1> something's not right about that news
[07:33:18] <rob0> Haris1: I haven't seen the postconf / master.cf, but I have a guess ...
[07:33:33] <Haris1> ?
[07:33:43] <rob0> ... the reinjection smtpd doesn't have the amavisd host in $mynetworks
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[07:34:21] <deface> rob0: amavis is blocking, not postfix
[07:34:40] <Haris1> rob0: There are two things regarding that
[07:35:13] <Haris1> one, why is it needed to run on 127.0.0.1:10025 rather than 212.110.95.8:10025? Since amavis box won't be able to connect to it, in that case
[07:35:34] <Haris1> secondly, I did have it there, only with a wrong , in between, I just removed that and restarted postfix
[07:35:50] <Haris1>  -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8 212.110.95.0/26
[07:36:07] <rob0> "Blocked MTA-BLOCKED", I am thinking that the reinjection smtpd is rejecting it.
[07:36:26] <rob0> can't have a space in -o options
[07:36:44] <rob0> a comma should work
[07:36:58] <deface> lol
[07:37:16] <Haris1> someone here told me
[07:37:19] <Haris1> the space is needed
[07:37:28] <Haris1> jra I think told me
[07:37:33] <rob0> the space will break it.
[07:37:47] <Haris1> without space the line is a logic line
[07:37:56] <Haris1> and with space it continues the first line
[07:37:58] <Haris1> something like that
[07:38:08] <Haris1> does that make sense?
[07:38:14] <rob0> the space will break it.
[07:38:25] <Haris1> Ok, removing space
[07:38:55] <z\> Nov 28 14:39:26 freebsd postfix/smtpd[8331]: warning: TLS library problem: 8331:error:140760FC:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_CLIENT_HELLO:unknown protocol:s23_srvr.c:589:
[07:39:01] <z\> how can i possible fix that..
[07:39:17] <Haris1> Nov 28 07:37:41 mc2 postfix/master[1688]: fatal: /usr/local/etc/postfix/master.cf: line 29: bad transport type: content_filter=
[07:39:21] <Haris1> hmmm
[07:40:00] <deface> Haris1: your shits just botched all over
[07:40:00] <Haris1> oops
[07:40:04] <deface> are you using a windows editor ?
[07:40:09] <Haris1> no, vi
[07:40:31] <Haris1> I'm missing values for the variables of re-injection smtp
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[07:40:56] <rob0> leading space ... I did NOT mean for you to remove those!
[07:40:59] <rob0> 06:37 < Haris1>  -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8 212.110.95.0/26
[07:41:15] <rob0> I meant: -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8,212.110.95.0/26
[07:41:24] <Haris1> ah that
[07:41:25] <Haris1> ok
[07:41:45] <rob0> 06:38 < rob0> can't have a space in -o options
[07:42:08] <Haris1> that fixed it
[07:42:40] <Haris1> that got it working
[07:42:41] <Haris1> lol
[07:42:52] <Haris1> what a damned small problem causing big issue
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[07:44:00] <Haris1> delivery is working now
[07:44:05] <Haris1> I have a fix a problem of mail path
[07:44:14] <Haris1> mail delivery path+
[07:44:14] <Haris1> but mail has started working
[07:44:16] <Haris1> :LD
[07:44:17] <Haris1> :D
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[07:48:17] <Haris1> my virtual_mailbox_base = /mc
[07:48:21] <Haris1> and I'm using postfixadmin
[07:48:27] <Haris1> do I need to modify postfix admin scripts
[07:48:37] <Haris1> to have mails go in /mc/domain-name/mailbox-name
[07:49:20] <Haris1> or can I use something like virtual_mailbox_base = /mc/$domain_name
[07:51:29] <deface> its configured in postfix admins config
[07:52:36] <deface> $CONF['domain_path'] = 'YES';
[07:52:37] <deface> $CONF['domain_in_mailbox'] = 'YES';
[07:54:12] <Haris1> got it
[07:57:38] <Haris1> ok
[07:57:41] <Haris1> I just have /mc
[07:57:48] <Haris1> no folders under it for domain or mailbox
[07:57:52] <Haris1> will postfix make it?
[07:58:18] <deface> you just have mc where ?
[07:58:35] <deface> got that, where at though? .. what file ?
[07:58:36] <Haris1> on the postfix box
[07:58:47] <Haris1> virtual_mailbox_base = /mc
[07:59:45] <Haris1> Nov 28 07:57:17 mc2 postfix/virtual[1967]: BEF8747D582: to=<admin at mol dot com.mk>, orig_to=<postmaster>, relay=virtual, delay=0.04, delays=0.02/0/0/0.01, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: create maildir file /mc/mol.com.mk/admin/tmp/1227855437.P1967.mc2.mol.com.mk: Permission denied)
[08:00:11] <deface> check perms  on /mc
[08:00:20] <Haris1> I need postfix and dovecot both to be able to access and write there
[08:00:30] <Haris1> drwxr-xr-x   3 postfix  postfix       512 Oct 12 20:59 mc/
[08:00:31] <deface> should be using a vmail user ?
[08:00:41] <deface> lrwxrwxrwx  1 vmail  mailusers   12 Aug 30 20:07 vmail -> /home/vmail/
[08:01:33] <deface> virtual_gid_maps = static:110
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[08:02:06] <Haris1> that user doesn't exist. I'll fix that
[08:02:21] <deface> according to your main.cf, your using 110
[08:02:48] <Haris1> yes
[08:03:18] <Haris1> I'm going to use the user postfix
[08:03:21] <Haris1> and the group mail
[08:03:22] <deface> nope
[08:03:28] <deface> postfix wont deliver to postfix
[08:03:32] <Haris1> and I'll add dovecot's username into group: mail
[08:03:39] <Haris1> ?
[08:03:51] <deface> postfix will not deliver to itself
[08:04:10] <Haris1> to a folder owned by itself?
[08:04:19] <deface> the user
[08:05:00] <Haris1> Nov 28 08:03:30 mc2 postfix/virtual[2113]: F220B47D54F: to=<admin at mol dot com.mk>, orig_to=<postmaster>, relay=virtual, delay=418, delays=418/0.02/0/0.02, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail system configuration error)
[08:05:10] <Haris1> Now I know it doesn't
[08:05:15] <deface> :)
[08:05:16] <Haris1> but what does it mean? I don't understand
[08:06:19] <deface> just means the user your using static:110 .. better not be postfix
[08:06:35] <deface> as well as your courier/dovecot config .. better not be postfix
[08:06:46] <Haris1> so it is, right now
[08:06:50] <deface> MYSQL_GID_FIELD         '1008'
[08:06:56] <Haris1> static:110 doesn't exist though
[08:06:58] <deface> MYSQL_UID_FIELD         '1008'
[08:06:59] <deface> etc
[08:07:03] <deface> then why are you using it ?
[08:07:12] <Haris1> to try and see what happens
[08:07:16] <deface> lol
[08:07:31] <deface> newhoo, gonna get a nap before i gotta get up and shop in an hr
[08:07:37] <deface> deuce
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[08:19:04] <dupondje> is it possible to turn off spamassasing for people using the mailserver to send mails ?
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[08:26:05] <reisi> is it possible to have postfix on our internet gateway [server] and have for example courier on another server (which is more powerful)?
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[08:47:27] <recon1025> hello everyone
[08:47:59] <recon1025> im trying to supress postfix "access denied" messages from being generated due to a reject match that would be found in either sender_access or recipients
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[08:48:07] <recon1025> your help would be greatly appreciate
[08:48:09] <recon1025> your help would be greatly appreciated
[08:49:12] <recon1025> ive been scouring the documentation for an answer invain :/
[08:49:43] <devdas> recon1025, why?
[08:50:48] <recon1025> because we do have some customers who keep sending to specific addresses that we decided to block due to spam
[08:50:59] <recon1025> but we would like to supress these messages before they become problematic
[08:51:07] <recon1025> in terms of filling up our queue
[08:51:22] <devdas> If the mail is rejected, then there is no queue entry at all
[08:51:41] <recon1025> err that's correct but a resopnse will be sent to the person trying to send an email
[08:51:49] <recon1025> and if he sends 100 emails, that's a 100 responses with "access denied"
[08:52:42] <recon1025> we would simply like to supress these messages and if customer is wondering what's going on, he can call us up and we'll be happy to explain
[08:52:46] <recon1025> is this a limitation in postfix?
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[08:54:20] <recon1025> hmm.. a reponse does have to enter the queue
[08:54:23] <recon1025> here's how
[08:54:34] <recon1025> user sends an email and that users is on sender_access with a deny match
[08:54:41] <recon1025> so that decision is made before his email enters the que
[08:54:43] <recon1025> however
[08:54:49] <recon1025> a response does get sent back to that user
[08:54:56] <recon1025> and that response enters the queue
[08:55:01] <recon1025> and that's what we have a problem with
[08:55:06] <devdas> the response is generated by his/her server
[08:55:15] <devdas> not your Postfix
[08:55:17] <recon1025> how so?
[08:55:23] <recon1025> oh
[08:55:25] <recon1025> ohhh
[08:55:27] <recon1025> lol
[08:55:35] <devdas> See access(5), search for DISCARD
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[08:56:33] <recon1025> thank u sir
[08:56:43] <recon1025> phew boss got it :)
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[08:56:49] <recon1025> u saved my butt buddy
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[10:26:33] <kiuma> hello
[10:28:44] <kiuma> I have two domains, a .it and a .com
[10:29:38] <kiuma> currently the .it is unavailable, I used postgresql to create a virtual domain.
[10:29:59] <wdp> Oo
[10:30:10] <kiuma> I'd like the my address for .com be an alias for .it
[10:30:31] <kiuma> all .com domain be an alias for .it
[10:30:37] <wdp> atm i don't get how this is related to postfix.
[10:30:44] <kiuma> how can I do
[10:31:01] <kiuma> It's a postfix configuration, isn't it
[10:31:22] <wdp> you want that all mailaddresses of the .com domain are an alias of the same mailaddress at the .it domain?
[10:31:24] <kiuma> I don't know how to do, can anybody explain me how to do ?
[10:31:44] <kiuma> wdp: yes
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[10:32:05] <wdp> so what transport are you using? local, virtual.. ?
[10:32:17] <kiuma> I'm trying so send emails with gmail, but I see nothing
[10:32:29] <kiuma> virtual
[10:33:12] <wdp> you're storing addresses, domains and aliases in a database?
[10:33:21] <kiuma> correct
[10:33:28] <wdp> s/addresses/mailboxes
[10:33:40] <kiuma> only wingstech.it
[10:33:53] <wdp> so you just add an alias from thatsme at yourdomain dot com to thatsme at yourdomain dot it
[10:34:01] <wdp> and i bet you did that already, correct?
[10:34:01] <kiuma> let me pastebin some select results
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[10:36:52] <kiuma> http://pastebin.ca/1269225 here
[10:37:40] <wdp> you don't wanna use select * normally. by the way. but thats another thematic.
[10:38:03] <wdp> ye i have a similar setup.
[10:38:59] <wdp> for what do you have "destination"
[10:39:00] <wdp> ?
[10:39:12] <kiuma> where do I have to see ?
[10:39:23] <wdp>           address             |        goto        |    domain    |    destination     |            created            |           modified            | active
[10:39:55] <kiuma> table ?
[10:40:15] <wdp> alias table. i don't know for what you have the field "destination". Anyway.
[10:40:25] <wdp> Can u pastebin the Postfix SQL script?
[10:41:16] <kiuma> I don't know if I already have it, let me check (it's a gentoo installation)
[10:42:34] <wdp> http://pastebin.ca/1269227
[10:43:18] <wdp> look in your main.cf for the config file you're using to access your sql aliases db
[10:44:03] <wdp> if not there.. probably use my pastebin as example
[10:44:21] <kiuma> http://pastebin.ca/1269230
[10:44:55] <wdp> k
[10:45:20] <wdp> Any errors in your postfix mail when sending a mail to your .com address?
[10:45:33] <wdp> s/postfix mail/postfix error log
[10:46:41] <kiuma> last one is mail.err:  "Sep  2 11:04:48 newserver imapd: authentication error: Connection refused  "
[10:46:56] <wdp> well this prob isn't imap related
[10:47:00] <wdp> look for some other error.
[10:48:33] <kiuma> they are all imap messages
[10:48:55] <wdp> try 'grep -v "imapd"'
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[10:49:39] <wdp> nothing?
[10:49:59] <kiuma> no
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[10:50:52] <kiuma> how can I check if it is not firewalled ?
[10:51:13] <wdp> well.. i'm still sleeping.. can't help atm
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[11:04:32] <UQlev> interesting scans from outside 87.228.64.122.6380 > 192.168.2.4.1025
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[11:04:50] <UQlev> do they try to get postfix bejond content-filter?
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[11:11:44] <AlexC_> hey,
[11:12:21] <AlexC_> in my logs, I am seeing something like this:  certificate verification failed for example.co.uk[example_ip]:25: self-signed certificate
[11:12:52] <AlexC_> it does say in the next long line the email was sent, just wondering if that line is anything to be concerned about, did it sent successfully?
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[11:31:59] <phnord> njum ...
[11:32:19] <wdp> nen deutscher
[11:32:24] <phnord> rofl
[11:32:26] <wdp> =P
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[11:59:09] <efphe> hi alls, i need to add some headers to incoming mails depending on sender: which is the best way to do that with postfix? is the usage of procmail recommended or has postfix batteries included?
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[12:31:14] <efphe> any hint?
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[12:50:41] <jtreglos> hi folks
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[12:58:13] <reisi> could someone clarify main.cf setting "relay_domains", are "strangers" clients connecting outside "mynetworks" setting?
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[13:02:15] <Roobarb> reisi: relay_domains is the list of domains you will relay mail for.
[13:03:01] <Roobarb> mynetworks is the list of networks (or hosts) from which the permit_mynetworks smtpd_mumble_restrictions restriction will not block mail from
[13:03:33] <reisi> Roobarb: hmm relaying would mean my postfix would be serving as a mail gateway?
[13:03:45] <Roobarb> yes
[13:03:57] <Roobarb> but only for domains you specify
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[13:04:15] <reisi> Roobarb: ok, thanks .. i guess i'm starting to get the picture bit by bit
[13:04:18] <Roobarb> typically you'd also have transport_maps entries for those domains
[13:05:51] <reisi> could anyone comment on my plan to have our internet gateway (also running httpd) to do run postfix to relay mail to and from our organization.. actual mail folders would be on an another server and that'd be running postfix also
[13:07:49] <jtreglos> I have a postfix on a box that is only used by a web app on the same box to send emails to the outside world. My problem is that the emails on the same domain name as the box are kept by the postfix, instead of being sent outside where they should go... How could I tell the postfix not to keep any email, even those from the same domain ?
[13:08:09] <Roobarb> reisi: a single mail gateway is fairly common
[13:08:41] <reisi> Roobarb: you mean i should just keep all mail-related on the one and only server?
[13:08:58] <Roobarb> jtreglos: configure mydestination appropriatly
[13:09:34] <Roobarb> reisi: you can if you wish; its quite a common configuration
[13:09:36] <jtreglos> Roobarb: ok, what value should it have ?
[13:10:43] <Roobarb> jtreglos: as a guess, *not* your hostname
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[13:10:56] <efphe> i'm setting up a MTA gateway. it has to use always two relay hosts: each mail has to be forwarded on two different places, without modifying it. how can i achieve this?
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[13:11:02] <jtreglos> lol, ok, so any other value would do ?
[13:11:12] <reisi> Roobarb: in my org we have quite limited resources for system administration, and i thought separating actual mail-hosting server and the open-to-internet process might be good idea to make our systems a bit more secure
[13:11:19] <Roobarb> jtreglos: probably just 127.0.0.1 is sufficient
[13:11:23] <jtreglos> ok
[13:11:28] <jtreglos> thanks :)
[13:11:46] <Roobarb> reisi: yes, most people separate the two, but can run it all on just one box if you want
[13:12:12] <Roobarb> jtreglos: although where do you expect that mail to actuall go?
[13:13:13] <reisi> Roobarb: separating is what i'm aming for, so i guess head back to docs..
[13:13:22] <jtreglos> Roobarb: the mail server that should really receive those emails is outside the box, managed by an outside provider
[13:13:43] <Roobarb> jtreglos: what is mydomains set to?
[13:13:52] <jtreglos> lemme check
[13:15:17] <jtreglos> you mean mydomain, singular right ? it is set to the domain name of the box
[13:15:45] <Roobarb> mydenstination, sorry
[13:15:53] <jtreglos> oh ok
[13:16:10] * Roobarb getting hungry
[13:16:15] <jtreglos> hehe
[13:16:17] <jtreglos> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
[13:16:51] <efphe> is it possible to split each mail on multiple relay hosts?
[13:17:05] <Roobarb> ok, so your web content is sending mails with something@$mydomain or something@$mynostname ?
[13:17:16] <Roobarb> efphe: ?
[13:17:33] <jtreglos> yep
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[13:18:45] <efphe> Roobarb, i need to send each mail to two different MTA. I have the host GW which is an internal MTA: it has to send each mail received to MTA1 and MTA2
[13:18:52] <jtreglos> oops sorry that was a question that needed a real answer :p
[13:19:04] <jtreglos> well lemme check
[13:19:09] <efphe> in `relayhost` i can specify a unique host
[13:19:27] <efphe> but i need to forward mails on two relay hosts
[13:19:41] <efphe> always, not depending on sender and so on
[13:19:58] <jtreglos> ok, myhostname is commented, so I guess it gets its value from the system
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[13:20:45] <efphe> Roobarb, do you know if this is possible?
[13:21:13] <jtreglos> so I don't know the value of myhostname, but the emails sent by the app that don't arrive are those like something at domain dot tld
[13:21:42] <jtreglos> or if you prefer, something@$mydomain
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[13:23:24] <Roobarb> efphe: you mean you want to send one mail, twice, via two routes, so the recipient gets two copies?
[13:25:31] <Roobarb> jtreglos: postfix will be looking to sent those to the MX for $mydomain then
[13:25:50] <efphe> recipients won't get mail twice (i have another hack behind). I mean each mail has to be forwarded to two different MTA which handle both the same domain
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[13:27:11] <efphe> obviously i will use brackets to specify the relay hosts: i have to specify their IPs
[13:27:27] <efphe> so for example i have the domain foo.bar
[13:27:29] <jtreglos> Roobarb: hum, the problem is, that's not happening
[13:27:44] <Roobarb> efphe: you haven't quite answered my question; do you want two messages to be created, or are you looking to use relay2 if relay1 is down?
[13:27:56] <efphe> sorry, the first
[13:28:15] <efphe> messages have to be `doubled`
[13:28:59] <Roobarb> efphe: I can't really see why you'd want that, but recipient_bcc_maps may help you
[13:29:24] <efphe> no Roobarb i can't change mail, nor use bcc and so on
[13:29:36] <efphe> i simply need to send one mail to 1.1.1.1 and to 1.1.1.2
[13:29:45] <Roobarb> efphe: then postfix cannot help you. it won't magically duplicte mail
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[13:30:10] <efphe> mmm, i'll take a look at exim
[13:30:47] <Roobarb> efphe: Im curious; why would you want such behaviour?
[13:34:00] <_ruben> crappy high availability comes to mind
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[13:48:31] <wdp> efphe, you could write a postfix daemon for it
[13:49:41] <wdp> which is recieving the mail and sending it using sendmail or something (not posfix itself) to other mailservers
[13:50:02] <wdp> though i don't know HOW exactly, nor i understand why someone wants this.
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[13:50:08] <wdp> i bet exim won't help you either.
[13:50:27] <wdp> thats just not how it works.
[13:51:25] <wdp> efphe, if you talk with us about the "why" we probably got some nice other ideas/solutions for you.
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[14:03:24] <efphe> wdp, i have a LAN with a poor connection
[14:03:35] <efphe> the connection is often broken
[14:03:58] <efphe> people want to access mail also from world
[14:04:11] <efphe> and they can't rely on lan internet connection
[14:04:21] <efphe> so they want a external webmail
[14:04:34] <efphe> so they want *also* a external webmail
[14:04:44] <reisi> Roobarb: you don't happen to remember any good howtos on building 2xpostfix arch? :)
[14:04:48] <wdp> and u wanna store the same mails on two different servers
[14:04:59] <wdp> or?
[14:06:14] <munga> can't you just use offlineimap to backup your email ?
[14:07:25] * Roobarb would pick the more reliable server and host all mail on that
[14:07:52] <Roobarb> or fix the root cause of your problem - a flaky network
[14:08:23] <efphe> wdp, yes
[14:08:25] <AlexC_> in my logs, I am seeing something like this:  "certificate verification failed for example.co.uk[example_ip]:25: self-signed certificate" it does say in the next long line the email was sent, just wondering if that line is anything to be concerned about, did it sent successfully?
[14:08:29] <efphe> i have to store mail on both server
[14:09:00] <wdp> Roobarb, probably thats not possible, thats why he's asking.
[14:09:03] <wdp> Roobarb, :)
[14:09:33] <efphe> i can't make another choice
[14:09:34] <Roobarb> wdp: I guess that depends on the problem
[14:09:37] <efphe> i have to do that
[14:09:51] <Roobarb> efphe: deliver to one mailbox and rsync to the other
[14:09:53] <efphe> i'm working for a company and that's what they want
[14:10:00] <efphe> Roobarb, i can't
[14:10:05] <Roobarb> because?
[14:10:13] <efphe> the webmail is not under my control
[14:10:13] <wdp> efphe, then just tell them: thats not possible.
[14:10:21] <efphe> wdp, no
[14:10:30] <efphe> from a technical point of view
[14:10:48] <efphe> this should be a possible thing, maybe coding something with twisted
[14:10:51] <wdp> from a technical point of view this is just not how mail should work
[14:11:05] <Roobarb> recipient_bcc_maps
[14:11:08] <efphe> wdp, that's not a reqriting of mail rfc
[14:11:17] <efphe> *rewriting*
[14:11:26] <efphe> this is another thing
[14:11:56] <efphe> i'm not pretending to discuss mail protocols
[14:11:59] <wdp> Roobarb, is it possible with postfix's sendmail to just send mails to a ip?
[14:12:12] <wdp> Roobarb, if so he could write a lil external postfix service using a bash script or something :p
[14:12:21] <Roobarb> there are many ways to duplicate one maibox to another server, but I wouldn't force postfix to do it
[14:12:21] <efphe> wdp, yes
[14:12:28] <efphe> i'm thinking abount this chance
[14:12:47] <efphe> Roobarb, some good ideas?
[14:13:06] <Roobarb> rsync, DRBD, scp  etc
[14:13:31] <Roobarb> your problem is one of data replication, not duplicating delivery
[14:13:31] <efphe> i can't use these
[14:13:36] <wdp> efphe, another thing would be probably using fetchmail.
[14:13:37] <efphe> yes
[14:13:52] <efphe> but to achieve data replication i have to use duplicating delivery
[14:13:57] <wdp> the webmail server could fetch mails without removing from the mailserver.
[14:14:03] <efphe> because i have no control on the remote hose
[14:14:06] <efphe> *host*
[14:17:13] <reisi> is MTA (postfix) or MDA (in my case, dovecot) responsible for saving mail into files?
[14:18:25] <reisi> hmm to reply my own question it's MTA.. how do I configure it to use Maildir format?
[14:19:05] <Roobarb> home_mailbox = Maildir/
[14:19:13] <Roobarb> the trailing / is the key
[14:19:38] <reisi> hmm ok, thanks again. apologies for these stupid question though
[14:20:00] <Roobarb> there are no supid questions
[14:20:08] <reisi> only stupid askers :)
[14:20:19] <Roobarb> there are stupid askers, if they ask more than once
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[14:21:04] <munga> with postfix maybe this can be done writing a smtp transport agent that then will send email to two servers in parallel
[14:24:06] <reisi> how does postfix determine wheter $USER exists on my.org? does it simply test if it can retrieve user info through NSS?
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[14:25:16] <efphe> it seems exim can do that with the unseen option
[14:25:24] <efphe> ie you can specify multiple routes
[14:25:30] <efphe> (two in this case)
[14:26:18] <efphe> adding unseen on a route option does not break the delivery work
[14:26:26] <efphe> so exim goes to the next route
[14:26:45] <Roobarb> I will point out that the people in this channel do not know everything about postfix; for a definitive answer, ask on the postfix-users mailing list
[14:27:00] <sysmonk> Roobarb: lies!!!!
[14:27:05] <sysmonk> knoba knows everything!
[14:27:13] <reisi> :)
[14:27:49] <sysmonk> reisi: depends on lot of things
[14:27:58] <sysmonk> reisi: i.e. first of all, are you using virtual or local
[14:29:46] <reisi> sysmonk: local i believe
[14:30:15] <reisi> sysmonk: currently configuring the server that is to host imap service, another postfix will be at our internet gateway, open to net
[14:30:40] <sysmonk> efphe: there's no direct way of doing what you want in postfix, but you can use a workaround with bcc's
[14:30:43] <sysmonk> !always_bcc
[14:30:44] <knoba> sysmonk: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[14:30:45] <sysmonk> efphe: ^^
[14:31:23] <sysmonk> reisi: with local, postfix uses the local_recipient_maps in the SMTP stage
[14:31:38] <reisi> sysmonk: oki, i look in to that then, thanks
[14:31:40] <sysmonk> and, after passing those, if the mail is queued, the 'local' delivery agent looks up the user in nss
[14:31:45] <sysmonk> if the user doesn't exist - it bounces
[14:32:25] <sysmonk> efphe: woops, i forgot to say 'AFAIK' :)
[14:32:50] <reisi> ok.. hmm surprisingly i was able to send myself mail already, with telnet :)
[14:35:58] <reisi> sysmonk: so in my gateway server, where the open-to-internet postfix will reside, it's "virtual" configuration, i need to proxy those username checks from the "real" mailserver
[14:36:31] <sysmonk> reisi: will it only relay?
[14:36:55] <reisi> sysmonk: both in and out from our organization, i guess it matches that term?
[14:37:12] <reisi> sysmonk: it'll be the one matching MX record
[14:37:31] <sysmonk> reisi: so you need to use it as relay_domains
[14:37:40] <sysmonk> and you can have the checks done against relay_recipient_maps
[14:37:43] <sysmonk> !relay_domains
[14:37:43] <knoba> sysmonk: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[14:37:45] <sysmonk> !relay_recipient_maps
[14:37:46] <knoba> sysmonk: "relay_recipient_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $relay_domains. Specify @domain as a wild-card for domains that do not have a valid recipient list.
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[14:38:40] <sysmonk> and also you might be interested in reject_unverified_recipient
[14:38:44] <sysmonk> !reject_unverified_recipient
[14:38:45] <knoba> sysmonk: "reject_unverified_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A sender or recipient address is verified by probing the nearest MTA for that address, without actually delivering mail. Probe messages are like normal mail, except that they are never delivered, deferred or bounced; probe messages are discarded.
[14:39:57] <reisi> sysmonk: oh so when my gw's smtp is contacted by other smtp outside our org, it'll simultaniously start feeding the message to the "real mailserver", and if it says unknown recipient it'll fail instantly
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[14:40:16] <sysmonk> reisi: not really.
[14:40:44] <sysmonk> reisi: depends on what method you choose ( the reject_unverified_recipient or relay_domains + relay_recipient_maps)
[14:41:12] <sysmonk> with reject_unverified_recipient, it wil halt the connection and connect to your 'real server' and try to look if the recipient exists
[14:41:17] <sysmonk> and cache the results
[14:41:27] <sysmonk> and if it exists - accept the mail, queue, and send to your real server
[14:41:31] <sysmonk> if it doesn't - reject
[14:41:35] <reisi> sysmonk: hmm latter that sounds more easily manageable?
[14:41:58] <reisi> sysmonk: that way i don't need to configure gw to do any ldap/alias lookups
[14:42:00] <sysmonk> if it takes too long - reject with temp failure, the next time the server will connect (and it SHOULD do that) - it will already have the results cached
[14:42:16] <sysmonk> with relay_domains/relay_recipient_maps you'll have the full map already, so it'll check against that map
[14:42:45] <sysmonk> reisi: ah, the next server has everything in ldap? then you can have the relay_recipient_maps with ldap:/
[14:43:14] <sysmonk> !address_verification_readme
[14:43:14] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "address_verification_readme" is not a valid command.
[14:43:20] <sysmonk> reisi: http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html
[14:43:29] <sysmonk> if you're interested in the reject_unverified_recipient solution
[14:44:03] <reisi> sysmonk: ok i'll look into these both, thanks mate very much.. there's quite much to learn about smtp -- not that it surprised me though :)
[14:44:47] <sysmonk> reisi: smtp stands for SIMPLE mail transport protocol, so there isn't much about smtp :) *cough*
[14:44:57] <reisi> hate to rush this but the current server is set up so badly it might have got owned who-knows many times before, and i just arrived here :D
[14:45:36] <sysmonk> reisi: usually the question isn't 'is it owned?' but 'when was it owned, and why dont we know about it yet?' :P
[14:46:19] <reisi> sysmonk: i have to assume the worst, i'll do forensics later.. as a bonus, raid is already sending me messages it's about to fall apart :D
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[15:04:42] <milovanderlinden> Hi there, I installed postfix and followed the instruction at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml postfix is started and postfix check returns no errors. However, when I telnet to my server, first I get kicked of and on the next attempt I get an empty telnet client, no 220 mail.domain.com ESMTP Postfix message. What can be wrong?
[15:05:14] <milovanderlinden> Did I do something wrong in my main.cf?
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[16:20:32] <cedric33> hi i have a problem i have on my my virtuals domain is more spammed  i search to do when the mail is taged spam for this domain virtual  i rewrite the email adress to another  because i want to save all the spam mail on the special email (because perhapse it's a good mail not a spam )  thanks for your help
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[18:25:52] <xpoint> jduggan, http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot-news/2008-October/000087.html
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[18:27:20] <xpoint> jduggan, we might soon see url blacklists in seive :-)
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[18:38:25] <jduggan> xpoint: require variables is a good feature included also =]
[18:38:38] <jduggan> regex with body
[18:38:41] <jduggan> also powerful
[18:38:53] <jduggan> unfortunately dbmail sieve is still quite limited =]
[18:39:28] <xpoint> i hold updates back on my gentoo with dovecot, if it aint broke and all that dont fix it :)
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[18:40:04] <xpoint> if one wanted stable sieve try cyrus :)
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[18:40:55] <jduggan> heh
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[19:27:29] <jeev> damn
[19:27:53] <jeev> i've gotta move some domains from the other mailserver
[19:27:53] <jeev> shit
[19:27:54] <hyper_ch> why?
[19:28:03] <hyper_ch> and the problem is....?
[19:28:06] <jeev> cause the server actually is being
[19:28:10] <jeev> moved from one datacenter to another
[19:28:18] <jeev> problem?
[19:28:33] <jeev> i guess a lot of accounts have a years worth of email in there
[19:28:44] <hyper_ch> so, the server itself will just be moved
[19:28:50] <jeev> yea
[19:28:51] <hyper_ch> but not deleted or something=?
[19:28:55] <jeev> i should really move them to west coast
[19:28:56] <jeev> yea
[19:28:59] <jeev> down for 18-24 hours though
[19:29:16] <hyper_ch> jeev: why not make a backup server then that will collect the emails meanwhile?
[19:29:50] <hyper_ch> jeev: http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_backup_mx
[19:29:53] <jeev> one thing i never understood was
[19:29:59] <jeev> how do you get your clients to download from the back up server?
[19:30:11] <hyper_ch> you don't
[19:30:23] <hyper_ch> only mail will be delivered there while the actual server is offline
[19:30:32] <hyper_ch> so no incoming email will be lost
[19:31:00] <jeev> i realize that
[19:31:12] <jeev> but then will the back up server deliver it back to the server when it's back ?
[19:31:18] <jeev> or do th e people have to point over pop/imap
[19:31:21] <jeev> to the back up server
[19:32:07] <hyper_ch> jeev: as far as I understand it, it will then put the mail onto the main server again once it comes back online
[19:32:18] <jeev> really?
[19:32:20] <jeev> i dont think so
[19:32:22] <jeev> hnm
[19:32:46] <hyper_ch> jeev: well, ask in the howtoforge forums.... Falko normally is very helpful on such questions :)
[19:33:22] <hyper_ch> jeev: actually: [quote]In this tutorial I will show how you can set up a Postfix mailserver as a backup mail exchanger for a domain so that it accepts mails for this domain in case the primary mail exchanger is down or unreachable, and passes the mails on to the primary MX once that one is up again. [/quote]
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[19:36:14] <hyper_ch> jeev: however I never tried it... I just knew that howto :)
[19:36:55] <jeev> hm
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[19:39:48] <shasta> doh
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[22:29:15] <juniorsa> Hi it seems like we are being blacklisted from dun.dnsrbl.net any idea on how to get us off?
[22:31:48] <war9407> http://spamlinks.net/filter-dnsbl-dead.htm
[22:31:50] <war9407> its a dead rbl
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[23:01:59] <markwaters> hi guys , I just added reject_unknown_client to smtpd_client_restrictions to block email from spammers using hosts with no return mx record , is that bad ? I guess all decent mail server nowadays would use a correct address there
[23:02:41] <war9407> I don't use that check
[23:04:38] <markwaters> war9407: why not ?
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[23:06:07] <war9407> markwaters: too many false positives
[23:06:11] <markwaters> war9407: have you had issues with legitimate email being bounced ?
[23:06:23] <war9407> yup
[23:06:41] <markwaters> war9407: ahhh , so there are numerous legitimate mail servers not using a hostname
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[23:06:52] <war9407> markwaters: correct
[23:07:21] <markwaters> war9407: ok , thanks , I`ll remove it then and let spamassassin do its thang
[23:08:24] <war9407> np.
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[23:46:29] <loompek> morning
[23:47:18] <loompek> just an offtopic question.. what (if any) dnsbl servers do you use? i got more than 100 'false positives' from 'dun.dnsrbl.net'
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[23:53:04] <xpoint> !zen
[23:53:04] <knoba> xpoint: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[23:53:21] <xpoint> loompek, this one
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[23:53:44] <loompek> only this one?
[23:55:02] <Stroller> Hi there, my Postifx server is getting a response "554 5.7.1 ERRHN1: please try again later (in reply to MAIL FROM command)" from the final destination server. Should it try to hold on to that message & retry delivery later? Instead it's immediately generating a bounce message to the user.
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[23:57:34] <loompek> 554 usually means you should stop trying...
[23:57:44] <loompek> actually any 5xx error means that...
[23:57:50] <loompek> 4xx means, try again later...
[23:57:54] <loompek> iirc
[23:58:46] <Stroller> loompek: Thanks. So the admin of that destination has configured an inappropriate message then, eh?
[23:58:54] <xpoint> loompek, http://www.postfwd.org/ and this :)





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