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[00:06:03] <milligan> I have a small email server that uses PAM for authentication and accepting email. Is there any way for me to set up an alias? I.e can I link postmaster at domain dot tld to account at domain dot tld in the transport file ?
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[00:11:16] <byte_slave> hello everyone!
[00:11:37] <mrhavi> hello
[00:11:52] <byte_slave> can someone plz tell me where do i translate this "This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean." in the emails processed?
[00:12:04] <milligan> Never mind. virtual_alias_maps worked fine.
[00:13:00] <tty21> how does one create a new IMAP folder
[00:13:04] <tty21> all i have is an inbox
[00:13:15] <tty21> is it a server side thing?
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[00:20:36] <_fury> I need to apparently run two smtp instances on two different IP's, how can I do that?
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[00:24:10] <byte_slave> >	found it with some grep ;) fopr those who might have the same doubt: /etc/MailScanner/reports/en/inline.sig.txt
[00:26:10] <byte_slave> even better: locate this line at MailScanner.conf %report-dir% = /etc/MailScanner/reports/en
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[00:46:36] <dragonheart> _fury: need to clarify more. on the same machine? with different configs?
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[04:33:36] <krim> hello, I am getting into hosting and i am trying to set up a massive email server, unfortunately i dont know whether to use sendmail or postfix, also can any1 tell me how i set us email accounts without having a home directory for each email user ???
[04:34:59] <krim> i also realize that some of this has to do with the MDA but im not to familiar with any of this so im asking here
[04:41:24] <krim> anybody here going to say anything to me
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[04:49:38] <krim> please can any1 help me out
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[05:08:48] <tty21> whats the current best spam filter to use?
[05:13:36] <jpalmer> 'best' is always relative and subjective.
[05:14:12] <jpalmer> I personally like dspam, and hate spamassassin.  others here hate dspam, and love spamassassin.  (as an example)
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[06:30:28] <tty21> can someone help me, im trying to follow this guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mailfilter-guide.xml but im a bit confused during the "configuring postfix" step.. it is suggesting i setup a transport. First off im using mysql not flat files, but more importantly im not sure what a transport does or if i even need one.
[06:30:49] <tty21> seems to suggest it will forward all the mail to another mail server. but i dont think i want that do i, even with spamassassin?
[06:33:07] <sahil> tty21: what *do* you want?  and do you read documentation?
[06:33:56] <tty21> sahil: of course i read documentation, Im following a guide to try to set it up no? what a silly question. Now if your asking if i read the proper documentation to answer that particular question, maybe not.
[06:34:10] <tty21> sahil: its jsut a regular mail server, working fine, but i wanna set it up with spam assassin
[06:34:19] <sahil> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html, http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#transport_maps, and http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html -- you should be less confused aftering giving those three documents a read.  then you will be better able to adapt from the innumerable HOWTOs littered throughout the web.
[06:34:31] <sahil> s/aftering/after/
[06:34:52] <sahil> a silly question?  ok, good luck.
[06:35:22] <tty21> sahil: well of course its silly considering my question included the documentation i was refrencing
[06:35:49] <sahil> you are referencing some random documentation; *NOT* postfix docs.  this is #postfix, *NOT* #spamassassin.
[06:36:24] <tty21> sahil: fair enough then to answer your question, ive read some of the postfix docs. enough to get postfix up and running with a virtual domain and mysql backing the users and aliases and such
[06:36:34] <sahil> *applause*
[06:36:35] <tty21> so im no pro obviously, but have some limited understanding
[06:36:53] <sahil> look into amavisd-new.
[06:37:13] <tty21> sahil: thats part of the process ive been following so far actually, and have the begining of that setup
[06:37:17] <sahil> highly recommended with great integration-with-postfix docs.
[06:37:21] <tty21> im just wondering if i can skip the transport step or not
[06:37:37] <tty21> my limited understanding suggests i can.. but i may be wrong
[06:37:57] <sahil> i have not looked at the docs you're following so can't comment on that.  but i linked you to documentation that will help you understand what a transport is, how it works, and then decide on your own whether it is appropriate for your reason.
[06:38:32] <sahil> but again, i suggest you try amavisd-new, which can be used to integrate spamassassin and an anti-virus scanner in your email flow rather easily.
[06:38:45] <tty21> sahil: thats exactly what i am using actually
[06:38:53] <tty21> thats what those documents i sent describe
[06:39:17] <sahil> read this instead: http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/README.postfix.html
[06:39:34] <tty21> alright
[06:39:59] <tty21> i come in with a simple question, and leave without an answer and about a weeks worth of books to read, lol :)
[06:40:38] <sahil> give a man a fish, he eats for a day.  teach a man to fish.... you get the point.
[06:40:43] <sahil> good luck.
[06:41:14] <tty21> sahil: atleast give me a little bait, a lure, some fish pheremones, something :)
[06:42:28] <sahil> are you joking?
[06:42:41] <sahil> i just gave you a link to documentation that will walk a monkey through setting up amavisd-new with postfix!
[06:43:39] <tty21> sahil: i am joking yes
[06:43:54] <tty21> :)
[06:44:33] <sahil> wow, just opened that gentoo doc.  ugly.
[06:45:14] <tty21> sahil: aside from not understanding the transport thing i found it rather clean and straightforward if you want a step-bystep
[06:45:41] <sahil> no, i'm talking aesthetics.  it's ugly -- without even having read a word.
[06:45:47] <sahil> :P
[06:46:37] <tty21> ahhh
[06:46:42] <tty21> yea it was a bit ugly int he regard
[06:47:23] <sahil> tty21: does your postfix machine handle email for any non-local domains?  i.e. are you a relay for mail that is destined for *another* machine?
[06:47:47] <sahil> if not, then don't worry about the transport_maps as it pertains to amavisd-new.
[06:47:59] <tty21> sahil: yes, it serves 2 purposes. Receiving allmail for syncleus.com, as well as letting all people with syncleus.com accounts relay their mail out to the rest of the world
[06:48:13] <tty21> it uses TLS to authenticate its relay though to ensure it isnt an open relay
[06:48:29] <sahil> ok, good.
[06:49:31] <tty21> sahil: a few years back when i first started using postfix i made the mistake of creating an open relay. i got blakc listed very fast
[06:50:03] <sahil> i'm glad you did!
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[06:50:49] <sahil> tty21: if you're looking for other lines of defense, i recommend postfwd.  and of course, i hope you're running a local dns caching server on the same machine (or at least LAN) on which gabriel resides.
[06:52:04] <tty21> sahil: there is such a server yes, i have 3 cashing dns servers and one master on the lan
[06:52:16] <tty21> whats postfwd?
[06:52:24] <tty21> is that the privacy framework stuff?
[06:53:25] <sahil> http://postfwd.org
[06:57:14] <tty21> ill check it out, thanks
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[07:18:32] <tty21> YES
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[07:18:40] <tty21> spamassassin and dcc and razor are working
[07:18:42] <tty21> woooooot!
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[07:32:52] <tty21> sahil: is it possible to get spamassassin to put spam in a special IMAP folder rather than dumping it entirely
[07:33:25] <x4b97> how are you calling spamassassin
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[07:34:34] <tty21> x4b97: one second ill show the guide i followed exactly
[07:34:44] <tty21> x4b97: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mailfilter-guide.xml
[07:35:11] <tty21> x4b97: i thinkt he answer your looking for is "through amavis"
[07:35:25] <x4b97> right
[07:35:51] <x4b97> im not the best person to be answering this question
[07:35:58] <x4b97> but ive messed around a bit with amavis
[07:36:22] <tty21> x4b97: supposidly somewhere in this guide (step 6?) its suppose to be explaining how to put the spam in a special imap folder.. but reading it that doesnt seem to be what its doing (its putting the spam ina  spcial account not a folder under the account where hte spam was destined)
[07:37:39] <x4b97> what it looks like its doing is sending spam to a folder in the account
[07:37:52] <x4b97> if you send mail to user+spam at domain dot com
[07:38:03] <x4b97> the mail goes to the folder called spam for that user
[07:38:31] <tty21> x4b97: right which is what i want cause then all accounts across the whole system will have their spam forwarded to a single account
[07:38:32] <x4b97> what its doing, is going into /home/user/.maildir
[07:38:42] <tty21> err which is what i dont want
[07:38:43] <tty21> i meant to say
[07:38:46] <x4b97> wait, what exactly do you want
[07:39:19] <tty21> x4b97: i want any user that gets e-mail on the system to have 2 folders, inbox for regular mail and then spam where all the spam that was sent to them goes
[07:39:27] <x4b97> okay
[07:39:33] <tty21> so every mail user on the system should have their own spam folder
[07:39:51] <x4b97> so you're trying to figure out how to create that folder, or how to send to that folder
[07:39:54] <x4b97> ?
[07:39:54] <tty21> i tried to adopt step 6 to do this, but perhaps due to my limited understanding it failed
[07:40:23] <tty21> x4b97: both, i am not seing the spam folders as id expect, nor (obviously) is it filled with spam)
[07:40:46] <x4b97> hmm
[07:40:54] <x4b97> i dont know how much ill be able to help then
[07:41:12] <tty21> x4b97: all i did to try to add the spam folders and filter them was copy the .procmailrc file for my user.. but i saw no such folders in the imap account after doign that
[07:41:21] <x4b97> okay
[07:41:29] <x4b97> and you're testing with known spam?
[07:42:03] <tty21> x4b97: well this account typically receives 20 spam messages per hour.. and so far nothing has been received. but more importantly there is no folder for spam (not even an empty one)
[07:42:12] <tty21> so it seems the folder doesnt even exist, which is the first problem i guess
[07:42:43] <x4b97> i dont know if it will create the folder automatically
[07:43:01] <x4b97> try creating the .spam-found folder
[07:43:07] <tty21> well i guess the first question then is, how does one create a new imap folder for an account server side?
[07:43:08] <x4b97> in the maildir
[07:43:23] <x4b97> just mkdir
[07:43:23] <tty21> ok let me see if that does anything.. just do mkdir or mkmaildir?
[07:43:27] <x4b97> with proper permissions
[07:43:32] <x4b97> look that one up
[07:43:33] <x4b97> im not sure
[07:43:46] <tty21> so mkdir /home/jeffreyfreeman/.maildir/.spam-found ?
[07:43:52] <tty21> two .'s
[07:44:17] <tty21> yea two .'s just checked the config
[07:44:34] <x4b97> yes
[07:45:01] <x4b97> set ownership to that user
[07:45:03] <x4b97> i think
[07:45:09] <x4b97> or maybe postfix
[07:45:10] <x4b97> im not sure
[07:46:10] <tty21> yea that seemed to create a inbox.spam-found in outlook
[07:46:18] <tty21> im guessing it all winds up under inbox in outlook
[07:46:57] <x4b97> right
[07:47:04] <x4b97> it parses the folder structure
[07:47:21] <x4b97> mail folders reflect actual folders on the server
[07:47:31] <x4b97> in an actual /home/user folder for your account
[07:48:14] <tty21> x4b97: ok well i seem to have the folders now then
[07:48:47] <tty21> no spam yet though :( but may take a minute now that their created
[07:48:48] <x4b97> are you sure postfix is set up to use that procmail script that step 6 set up?
[07:49:00] <x4b97> you can force spam through, you know
[07:49:28] <tty21> x4b97: no, but i followed the steps in step 6 as best i could tell to do this... (another words i added the line it told me to add to the postfix config file to getit to use procmail) so i think so
[07:49:39] <x4b97> ok
[07:49:43] <tty21> x4b97: how do i "force spam through" just copy and paste a spam message?
[07:50:01] <x4b97> first, how much do you know about system administration
[07:50:49] <tty21> x4b97: depends on what im administering.. postfix, just enough to get by with a basic setup (never tried this spam assassin stuff before).. other stuff im pretty good with
[07:51:46] <x4b97> ok
[07:52:06] <x4b97> well, i assume you have another email account you can send email to this system you're setting up, right?
[07:52:11] <x4b97> a gmail acct or something
[07:53:03] <tty21> yes gmail, and ive tried sending spam from my gmail account to this account, but for whatever reason it doesnt catch the spam filter.
[07:53:18] <x4b97> what spam did you try
[07:53:20] <tty21> x4b97: yet i know it must be catching other spam cause i get 20 spam an hour and havent gotten any for about an hour
[07:53:32] <tty21> x4b97: just copy and pasted some spam out of my gmail spam folder
[07:53:45] <x4b97> send this string from your gmail acct through this system youre setting up
[07:53:46] <x4b97> XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X
[07:53:50] <tty21> i picked one that there were 4 or 5 copies of as well
[07:53:59] <x4b97> set that string as the body
[07:54:03] <tty21> int he subject and the body?
[07:54:07] <tty21> hwo about the subject?
[07:54:14] <x4b97> there are sample strings like that
[07:54:18] <x4b97> subj doesnt matter
[07:54:36] <x4b97> spamassassin will automatically return positive for spam on that
[07:54:44] <tty21> ok lets give it a second to make sure it arrives...
[07:54:57] <x4b97> do you know how to watch the maillog?
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[07:55:31] <tty21> yea i can just do a watch on ls on the .maildir/new right?
[07:55:40] <tty21> oh you mean the actual log
[07:55:43] <tty21> yea i could watch that too
[07:55:47] <x4b97> the log, yeah
[07:55:49] <tty21> didnt think of that it should show all incomming email
[07:55:55] <x4b97> yep
[07:56:00] <x4b97> and any error if its dropping the mail
[07:58:30] <tty21> hmm so far it hasnt shown anything... wonder if gmail is dropping it without sending
[07:58:39] <x4b97> i doubt that
[07:58:42] <x4b97> nothing in the logs?
[07:59:06] <tty21> nevermind
[07:59:12] <tty21> i was doing watch cat instead of watch tail
[07:59:14] <x4b97> gmail has had one outage ive heard about in the past year
[08:00:36] <tty21> yea it was me using cat instead of tail
[08:00:48] <x4b97> tail -f!
[08:01:13] <tty21> ok when i send the spam from gmail it shows gmail connecting, but doesnt give any more info after that (yet)
[08:02:15] <tty21> shouldnt it be alerting me that it dropped the mail?
[08:02:55] <x4b97> yeah.
[08:02:58] <tty21> hmm wait now i think i got something the second time i tried it
[08:03:05] <tty21> lots of stuff scrolled across...
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[08:04:06] <x4b97> sort through and tell me whats up
[08:04:07] <tty21> x4b97: it blocked the spam but it didnt deliver it to the spam folder if im reading this log right
[08:04:21] <tty21> hwoever i did notice a warning about a suspicious .procmailrc file which may to blame
[08:05:35] <tty21> Nov 15 02:49:38 [procmail] Suspicious rcfile "/home/jeffreyfreeman/.procmailrc"
[08:05:43] <tty21> which is where the rules are for sorting
[08:05:48] <x4b97> hmm
[08:05:50] <tty21> so it seems something in that file is wrong
[08:06:10] <x4b97> did you just copy/paste the file?
[08:06:18] <tty21> yes
[08:06:47] <tty21> didnt see anything in there that needed editing. but ill admit i didnt entirely understand the file
[08:07:21] <x4b97> do you know where it gets $HOME from?
[08:07:27] <x4b97> is that a global?
[08:07:45] <x4b97> that may be passed from postfix
[08:07:46] <tty21> x4b97: should be in /etc/profile id imagine. but no i dont know when that is set exactly
[08:07:54] <x4b97> ok
[08:08:04] <x4b97> look up online about the .procmailrc file
[08:08:18] <x4b97> see if theres a better way
[08:08:30] <tty21> if you think its the $HOME varible i can try replacing that manually with /home/jeffreyfreeman
[08:09:53] <tty21> x4b97: keep in mind i did not create a spamtrap user as the howto describes. instead i add the .procmailrc file for a regular old mail user (as i thought this is what i needed to do for hte setup i wanted)
[08:10:20] <x4b97> i dont think the spamtrap user is necessary
[08:10:26] <x4b97> that may be if you want a catchall account
[08:10:34] <x4b97> and i think thats fine
[08:10:42] <tty21> x4b97: right thats what i thought. which obviously is not what i want
[08:10:47] <x4b97> yes
[08:10:57] <tty21> there has got to be a way to get procmail to tell me what about the.procmailrc is suspicious
[08:11:09] <tty21> seems uselessly vague to just say its suspicious and not provide details
[08:11:32] <x4b97> right
[08:11:41] <x4b97> can you turn up the logging in postfix?
[08:11:43] <x4b97> or procmail
[08:11:59] <tty21> perhaps, gotta figure out how first but im sure i can find a way...
[08:12:41] <tty21> oh wait i just found a hint as to what i tmay be...
[08:12:44] <x4b97> google
[08:13:41] <tty21> google is your friend :)
[08:15:30] <x4b97> i love google so much
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[08:18:19] <tty21> x4b97: nah the google answer was the wrong answer :(
[08:18:58] <x4b97> damn!
[08:21:24] <deface> hmm
[08:21:37] <tty21> deface: my hero! :)
[08:21:55] <tty21> well x4b97 is giving a good effort so i dont want him to feel unappreciated :)
[08:21:56] <deface> still breakin stuff i see
[08:22:11] <tty21> deface: if i didnt then you'd hav enothing to do :)
[08:22:29] <x4b97> im trying over here
[08:22:45] <tty21> x4b97: your help is most certainly appreciated
[08:22:50] <tty21> i always seem to have the tricky problems
[08:23:06] <x4b97> yeah, at my job all the mail servers are taken care of
[08:23:07] <deface> lemme read up
[08:23:55] <tty21> deface: kk id be happy to recap for you
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[08:26:11] <tty21> x4b97: ill probably get crucified for saying this in here. but postfix is the only server ive run that has really thrown me for a loop at every turn
[08:27:12] <deface> not postfix
[08:27:18] <deface> the programs adding onto postfix
[08:27:26] <deface> razor/pyzor/sa/mailscanner/clam
[08:27:27] <deface> etc
[08:28:05] <deface> i think the problem w/ that guide
[08:28:07] <deface> * ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*
[08:28:15] <tty21> true those are a big part of the problem. ive never had problem with simple minimal postfix setups
[08:28:16] <deface> by default, sa marks spam by using s's
[08:28:17] <deface> ssssss
[08:28:24] <deface> as the count, not \*
[08:28:47] <tty21> worth a try so jsut replace every \* with a s?
[08:28:55] <deface> the thing is
[08:28:58] <deface> why are you keeping spam ?
[08:29:08] <deface> if sa has a level of 7, its pretty much spam
[08:29:13] <deface> but yeah, switch them out
[08:29:25] <deface> i have 5low, 10high
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[08:30:27] <tty21> deface: still is complaining the file is suspicious but let me see if it filters spam regardless...
[08:30:40] <deface> pastebin that file
[08:30:57] <tty21> deface: well mainly cause i dont like the idea of deleting spam in a hidden way.. its a corporate account and we need to be able to go through old spam jsut incase
[08:31:00] <tty21> sure one sec...
[08:31:22] <deface> i use mailscanner, and only 'hold' low spam, highspam is deleted
[08:31:31] <deface> it gets placed in a quarantine
[08:31:32] <tty21> deface: http://rafb.net/p/LldkUi11.html
[08:32:03] <tty21> i may setup a system where highspam gets deleted after 30 days or something. i dunno. but for now im gonna keep it in a special folder
[08:32:19] <deface> delivering spam or false/positives to employees is loss of production
[08:32:31] <deface> they spend more time reading spam messages than working
[08:33:57] <deface> where is that file located ?
[08:34:05] <tty21> deface: i dont expect them to go through the spam folder, its there incase we find a mail is never delivered so we can search the spam folder without needing to get a system admin involved
[08:34:14] <tty21> /home/jeffreyfreeman/.procmailrc
[08:34:21] <deface> del it, and put it in /etc/procmailrc
[08:34:24] <deface> do it system wide
[08:34:28] <tty21> sorry .procmailrc
[08:34:38] <deface> tty21: mailscanner
[08:35:03] <tty21> you mean put it into a single account for spam?
[08:35:17] <deface> no, its defined by $MAILDIR
[08:35:24] <deface> thats 'per-user'
[08:35:51] <skullone> hello postfix.
[08:35:51] <tty21> oh you mean just the config stuff do system wide, the folders will still be per account, just for all accounts at once
[08:35:58] <deface> yes
[08:36:20] <tty21> deface: so where is the systemwide config file for .procmailrc ?
[08:36:44] <deface> in /etc/procmailrc
[08:36:52] <tty21> ahh the obvious answer :)
[08:36:57] <deface> ;)
[08:36:58] <tty21> so jsut copy that to there, ok let me try.
[08:37:17] <deface> DROPPRIVS=yes
[08:37:17] <deface> :0fw
[08:37:17] <deface> | /usr/bin/spamc
[08:37:20] <deface> my procmailrc
[08:39:38] <tty21> deface: well no complaints about a suspicious file that time. but the mail still didnt wind up int he subfolders :(
[08:40:14] <deface> mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -t /etc/procmailrc
[08:40:17] <deface> in main.cf ?
[08:40:30] <tty21> deface: no i had a similar line though let me show ya my line (from the howto)
[08:41:05] <tty21> deface: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "DOMAIN"
[08:41:24] <tty21> that is the actual word DOMAIN, and not the domain name itself
[08:42:11] <deface> try mine
[08:42:20] <tty21> kk
[08:44:50] <tty21> didnt seem to make any difference
[08:44:55] <tty21> want me to show you my mail logs
[08:45:03] <tty21> there is a lot of stuff going on, not all of which i understand 100%
[08:45:04] <deface> u reload postfix ?
[08:45:34] <tty21> yes i did
[08:45:39] <tty21> and it showed it using hte new procmail command
[08:45:48] <deface> k, logs
[08:45:54] <tty21> and didnt even complain about it being suspicious
[08:46:20] <tty21> deface: http://rafb.net/p/fph5nA52.html
[08:46:35] <tty21> looka t the bottom after the most recent reload
[08:46:48] <tty21> also the antivirus seems to be timing out, but thats another issue that i dont think is related
[08:47:21] <deface> (delivered to command: /usr/bin/procmail -t /etc/procmailrc)
[08:47:23] <deface> thats good
[08:47:37] <tty21> yea, however the spam never shows up in a subfolder or inbox :(
[08:48:00] <tty21> maybe \* was right afterall (im just guessing)?
[08:48:12] <tty21> actually no cause even if that was wrong it would get delivered to likely spam
[08:48:15] <tty21> so that cant be it
[08:48:37] <deface> let me see the headers of the last email
[08:48:48] <deface> wait
[08:48:52] <deface> not delivered at all ?
[08:49:34] <deface> you delivering to /home/vmail/ ?
[08:49:36] <tty21> deface: correct not delivered at all.. non-spam gets delivered just fine. but spam never shows up in the inbox
[08:50:01] <deface> ls your delivery dir, and see if you see DOMAIN/.spam- blah blah
[08:50:05] <tty21> the way its setup right now, so far as i understand it, is that spam gets dropped, atleast, before i added the procmailrc stuff which should have changed that
[08:50:24] <tty21> perhaps thats the problem, i dont want to drop the email but let it go through with modified headers?
[08:50:39] <deface> yes, procmailrc is looking for those headers
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[08:51:02] <deface> ^X-Spam-Level: \*\*\*\*\*\*\*
[08:51:08] <deface> amavis may tag it like that, not sure
[08:51:17] <deface> i dont use amavisd-new
[08:51:25] <tty21> deface: look at figure 2.7 here http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mailfilter-guide.xml (thats the guide i followed)
[08:51:34] <tty21> it told me to set stuff to drop, perhaps thats whats messing it up ?
[08:51:36] <deface> yeah i see it
[08:51:54] <tty21> should the D_DISCARD be something else maybe ?
[08:52:35] <tty21> D_PASS maybe?
[08:52:37] <deface> whats that from ?
[08:53:58] <tty21> amavisd.conf
[08:54:39] <deface> try defaults
[08:54:43] <deface> not sure, dont use it
[08:54:58] <deface> $final_spam_destiny       = D_DISCARD;  # (defaults to D_BOUNCE)
[08:55:46] <tty21> well the defaults are bounce or discard, neither of which would cause it to go to the users inbox.
[08:56:21] <deface> hmm
[08:56:48] <tty21> deface: i tried it with D_PASS and the spam still doesnt arive in any folder
[08:57:06] <deface> its delivered, but where
[08:57:43] <tty21> deface: my limited understanding was that it was being discarded entirely (which i thought is what the D_DISCARD was doing) but now that D_PASS doesnt seem to allow it to deliver im not so sure
[08:58:07] <deface> no, it wouldn't make it to the procmail command if it was dropped by amavis
[08:58:23] <tty21> oh
[08:58:28] <tty21> in that case i have no idea
[08:58:34] <tty21> im changing it back to D_DISCARD though :(
[08:59:00] <deface> http://rafb.net/p/LldkUi11.html
[08:59:06] <deface> thats your procmail atm ?
[08:59:26] <tty21> let me compare, i think so
[08:59:32] <tty21> very close
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[09:00:35] <tty21> deface: i removed /home/jeffreyfreeman/.procmailrc and instead have the following in /etc/procmailrc: http://rafb.net/p/VKz3ik85.html
[09:02:33] <deface> * ^X-Spam-Level: sssssss
[09:02:41] <deface> which means it has to be atleast 7 to get marked as spam
[09:02:52] <deface> but its not being delivered to inbox either ?
[09:02:55] <deface> the test messages
[09:03:17] <deface> saying, i dont think you can send w/ a score of 7 .
[09:03:47] <tty21> deface: regular non spams make it to inbox fine, but spams dont make it to inbox or any subfolders
[09:03:56] <tty21> spam messages seem to disapear out of existance
[09:05:05] <deface> whats your maildir ?
[09:05:19] <deface> that user's delivery dir
[09:05:28] <tty21> deface: /home/jeffreyfreeman/.maildir
[09:05:58] <deface> find /home -name '87A82BC12B'
[09:06:01] <tty21> however i created the sub folders (likely-spam, etc) using mkdir and not mkmaildir .. although .maildir itself was created with mkmaildir
[09:06:04] <tty21> not sure if that matters
[09:06:23] <tty21> deface: nothing was found
[09:06:24] <deface> it may
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[09:06:35] <deface> find / -name '87A82BC12B'
[09:06:36] <deface> :)
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[09:07:36] <tty21> deface: thats going to take a long time to find, but its chugging away
[09:07:47] <deface> could have tried /var/spool
[09:07:52] <deface> haa
[09:08:36] <tty21> deface: b the way * is being used for the spam header, not s or \*
[09:09:02] <deface> \* = spacing
[09:09:16] <tty21> oh its an escape sequence
[09:09:24] <deface> yessa
[09:09:29] <tty21> shoulda figured
[09:09:54] <deface> yeah, SA tags it w/ s's
[09:09:57] <deface> so amavis uses *
[09:10:00] <tty21> deface: its not in var/spool
[09:10:07] <deface> hmm
[09:10:14] <tty21> so im trying / again but that will take ages :)
[09:10:37] <deface> try del'n the dirs, and use mkmaildir
[09:11:52] <tty21> kk, not too familiar how to use the mkmaildir properly other than when creating the entire .maildir though
[09:12:53] <deface> http://rafb.net/p/PDlBIz49.html
[09:12:54] <deface> try just that
[09:12:58] <tty21> kk
[09:13:18] <tty21> so leave the mail directories as is for now?
[09:14:00] <deface> just del them
[09:14:04] <deface> they'll be created if they dont exist
[09:14:24] <tty21> kk, also do i need to do anything other than postfix reload after i change /etc/procmailrc?
[09:14:43] <deface> no, dont even need to reload it
[09:14:46] <deface> its read on every message
[09:14:51] <deface> not cached
[09:14:56] <tty21> oh ok
[09:15:43] <deface>  VERBOSE=on
[09:15:49] <deface> if you want in procmailrc
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[09:16:38] <tty21> deface: ok no help that time (although verbose wasnt on) want to see the most recent mail logs?
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[09:17:09] <tty21> deface: i think spam is winding up herre: /var/amavis/quarantine/spam-3rYoI3qTPOyy.gz
[09:17:16] <tty21> thats assuming im reading the mail log files right
[09:17:26] <deface> k
[09:18:11] <deface> LOGFILE= /home/jeffreyfreeman/procmail.log
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[09:18:23] <deface> then verbose=on
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[09:18:43] <tty21> deface: this is the most recent log file with verbose off using the procmailrc you sent me and sending a spam through from gmail: http://rafb.net/p/LAB3sz36.html
[09:18:59] <tty21> kk adding th enew logfile and verbose on
[09:19:30] <deface> [postfix/smtp] A2B0857CDC: to=<jeffreyfreeman at syncleus dot com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=5.9, delays=0.16/0.01/0.01/5.7, dsn=2.7.0, status=sent (250 2.7.0 Ok, discarded, id=28924-01 - SPAM)
[09:19:32] <deface> discarded
[09:19:58] <tty21> deface: by the way find / -name '87A82BC12B' returned nothing
[09:20:09] <tty21> ahh so it is discarded like i though
[09:20:09] <deface> quarantine 3rYoI3qTPOyy (spam-quarantine)
[09:20:13] <tty21> *thought
[09:20:31] <deface> <freemo at gmail dot com> -> <jeffreyfreeman at syncleus dot com>
[09:20:33] <deface> was discarded
[09:20:40] <deface> u sending from freemo ?
[09:20:57] <tty21> yes
[09:20:59] <tty21> thats me alright
[09:21:09] <deface> core=1002.589
[09:21:10] <deface> s*
[09:21:12] <deface> nice .. lol
[09:21:19] <deface> a score of 1002
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[09:21:40] <tty21> thats cause it was an intentional spam message (one of the strings spamassassin is designed to catch)
[09:21:52] <deface> yeah
[09:21:58] <deface> so atleast you know where its quarantined @
[09:22:02] <tty21> jsut: XJS*C4JDBQADN1.NSBN3*2IDNEN*GTUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-UBE-TEST-EMAIL*C.34X
[09:22:14] <deface> zcat /var/amavis/quarantine/spam-3rYoI3qTPOyy.gz
[09:22:56] <tty21> yea but that doesnt help much with this problem.. just tells me how to system admin and get the spam.. which worst case scenario i suppose i can do that.
[09:22:58] <tty21> but my ceo wont be happy if he gets any false positives
[09:23:20] <tty21> luckily im the boss of the ceo so if he isnt happy he cant do much about it, lol
[09:23:22] <deface> check the amavis config
[09:23:47] <tty21> deface: maybe its that D_DISCARD assignment
[09:23:54] <tty21> but when i changed it to D_PASS it didnt help
[09:24:49] <deface> $MYHOME = '/var/amavis';
[09:24:55] <deface> $QUARANTINEDIR = "$MYHOME/quarantine";
[09:27:08] <tty21> put that in the amavis config?
[09:27:21] <deface> no, thats the defaults for amavis's config
[09:27:28] <deface> which is why its being written to that dir
[09:27:36] <tty21> ahh
[09:28:12] <tty21> but even if i change it to /home/jeffreyfreeman/.maildrop/.likely-spam-folder it still wont work cause its gz ....
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[09:28:54] <tty21> i dont get why setting it to D_PASS doesnt just work
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[09:30:16] <deface> grep CC_SPAM /etc/amavisd.conf
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[09:30:48] <tty21> kk
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[09:31:29] <tty21> the only non commented line with CC_SPAM on it was "  CC_SPAM,       D_DISCARD," let me see what the line before it was.
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[09:32:07] <tty21> this is the line: %final_destiny_by_ccat = (  CC_VIRUS,      D_DISCARD,  CC_BANNED,     D_BOUNCE,  CC_UNCHECKED,  D_PASS,  CC_SPAM,       D_DISCARD,  CC_BADH,       D_PASS,  CC_OVERSIZED,  D_BOUNCE,  CC_CLEAN,      D_PASS,  CC_CATCHALL,   D_PASS,);
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[09:32:21] <deface> oh, i know .. looking @ it now
[09:32:42] <tty21> if youd like my whole amavisd.conf id b ehappy to pastebin it
[09:32:54] <deface> no thanks, it's way too over commented
[09:32:58] <deface> want my stripped down ?
[09:32:59] <deface> lol
[09:33:04] <tty21> agreed
[09:33:15] <deface> http://rafb.net/p/3nP4sq82.html
[09:33:20] <deface> comments removed
[09:33:36] <tty21> sure although the amavisd.conf file is way over my head. but i can try using yours
[09:34:02] <deface> i just removed default comments
[09:34:08] <tty21> thats a bit more managable
[09:34:13] <tty21> well more than a bit
[09:34:43] <deface> aight, im headed to bet
[09:34:44] <deface> bed*
[09:34:55] <deface> that should keep you busy till i wake up
[09:34:55] <deface> haa
[09:34:57] <tty21> deface: thanks for the good try :)
[09:35:03] <tty21> lol much longer than that :)
[09:35:24] <deface> night .. g/l
[09:36:09] <tty21> good night, thanks again
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[10:27:35] <whiteflag> anybody know what is DH attack ?
[10:31:33] <tty2> whiteflag: no but im gonna guess the letter D stands for "denial"
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[10:35:33] <whiteflag> tty2: hehe good guess
[10:36:33] <whiteflag> how can I configure postfix to reject mails from invalid mail addresses? ... is it really possible ?
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[10:37:17] <tty2> i jsut went through that process for spam
[10:37:24] <tty2> depends what do you mean by "invalid email addresses"?
[10:38:01] <tty2> you jsut looking to eliminate spam or is there a particular type of email address you want to drop?
[10:38:03] <whiteflag> invalid return address
[10:38:38] <whiteflag> yes, mainly eliminate spams and avoid bounce to spam mails...
[10:38:48] <tty2> whiteflag: so something like this_email_doesnt_exist at gmail dot com ? where the domain is real but the user isnt?
[10:39:40] <whiteflag> tty2: yea if possible that is too .. , but now I just want to check the domain ie gmail.com
[10:40:10] <tty2> whiteflag: ok so you just want to drop emails from domains that dont exist at all?
[10:40:24] <whiteflag> tty2: exactly
[10:40:38] <tty2> whiteflag: yes its entirely possible
[10:40:57] <whiteflag> tty2: how ?
[10:40:58] <tty2> in fact you can ggo one step further and identify when someone is sending from the domain they claim to be a part of
[10:41:46] <tty2> whiteflag: there are several programs and mechanism to avoid spam.. you wanna go the full route and eliminate all sorts of spam, or you jsut care about the domain name?
[10:43:52] <whiteflag> tty2: I am planning to use any other spam filtering methods like MailFoundry or postini.. .so not caring about spams.. but mails from invalid domains whether its spam or not .. but it should be dropped or put the mail to different queue...
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[10:44:15] <tty2> whiteflag: check out sender policy framework
[10:44:31] <tty2> it will not only drop bad domains, but will flag verified senders as definatly not spam
[10:45:35] <whiteflag> tty2: should I install any extra programs.. for this feature? like spamassassin
[10:46:17] <tty2> whiteflag: what distro do you use? i just went through the process on gentoo
[10:46:23] <tty2> id be happy to share with you the howto on gentoo for setting up the various spam filter stuff, but not sure how much help it will be
[10:46:29] <tty2> it includes sender policy framework
[10:46:35] <tty2> as well as many other very effective spam solutions
[10:47:07] <whiteflag> tty2: yes, please give me the links.. that would be useful
[10:47:12] <tty2> kk
[10:47:20] <tty2> whiteflag: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/mailfilter-guide.xml
[10:47:21] <whiteflag> tty2: thanks
[10:47:39] <tty2> whiteflag: i just fgot it up and running, with a few tweaks of my own and its working beautifully
[10:47:57] <tty2> i usually get 20 spam emails an hour.. its been up for half a day and not a single spam email got through
[10:48:57] <tty2> whiteflag: i suggest you run some of the community based spam filters
[10:49:01] <whiteflag> tty2: great!.. so if I go for identifying the complete email address (INVALID) rather than just domain, how can that be possible ?
[10:49:05] <tty2> they use fuzzy checksums
[10:49:30] <tty2> whiteflag: well you can verify the complete mail address is valid, you cant verify it is invalid
[10:49:36] <tty2> another words it is either VALID or "unknown"
[10:49:51] <whiteflag> tty2: yea, definitely ... mmm....I think I cannot sleep today... lots of stuff to read ...heh
[10:49:51] <tty2> which allows you to let valid ones through without passing through a spam filter (to prevent false positives)
[10:50:01] <tty2> i jsut lost a night of sleep myself over this
[10:52:11] <whiteflag> thank God :) .. so you could share this with me ;-)
[10:52:53] <whiteflag> tty2: thanks a lot...
[10:53:39] <tty2> whiteflag: lol my pleasure
[10:53:46] <tty2> whiteflag: if you need any help implementing it let me know
[10:53:51] <tty2> whiteflag: i learned a lot int he process today
[10:54:35] <whiteflag> tty2: sure.. so you will be available in this channel any time?
[10:55:11] <tty2> whiteflag: for a while longer yes, but im not here all the time, but im usually on freenode
[10:56:01] <whiteflag> tty2: I'll catch u later..
[10:56:06] <tty2> see ya
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[11:19:33] <tty2> if im running postfix off of mysql for the aliases (or anything else) and i upsate the aliases table do i need to reload postfix?
[11:21:36] <sysmonk> 11-15 11:46:04 < tty2> it will not only drop bad domains, but will flag verified senders as definatly not spam
[11:21:40] <sysmonk> evil
[11:22:18] <tty2> sysmonk: what? thats not true?
[11:22:35] <sysmonk> tty2: imagine that i'm a spammer
[11:22:44] <sysmonk> i buy some stupid .tk domain (fo free)
[11:22:59] <sysmonk> and setup spf records to allow half of the world to send the mails from my domain
[11:23:10] <sysmonk> so, half of the world is 'definetly not spam' ?
[11:23:16] <tty2> sure, but thats why there are domain blacklists
[11:23:43] <sysmonk> tty2: hello, there are _free_ domains around
[11:23:50] <sysmonk> you'll won't block all of them
[11:23:57] <tty2> fair enough
[11:24:00] <sysmonk> spammers register thousands or millions of that kind of domains
[11:24:03] <sysmonk> jkdafjkdgnjdnadjk.tk
[11:24:07] <sysmonk> nice domain, right?
[11:24:07] <sysmonk> ;)
[11:24:31] <tty2> well you would presumably blacklist all free domains
[11:24:37] <tty2> dyndns.org for examplew
[11:24:53] <sysmonk> and block good users?
[11:24:53] <sysmonk> :)
[11:25:14] <sysmonk> i'm mainly talking about the 'verified' part
[11:25:22] <sysmonk> it's the other way around
[11:25:39] <sysmonk> you say that domains with valid spf record and mails sent from valid ip's are definetly not spam
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[11:25:58] <sysmonk> it's the other way around
[11:26:08] <sysmonk> if domain has spf records and ip match it - then it MIGHT be not spam
[11:26:16] <tty2> sysmonk: i certainly wouldnt accept spf from a dyndns or other free domain, they would have to go through the riggors of my spam filter like everything else
[11:26:20] <sysmonk> but if domain has an spf record, and ip DOES NOT match - it's spam
[11:27:03] <sysmonk> i've told you the problem - now do as you wish
[11:27:14] <sysmonk> if you want to go manually adding blacklists - it's your choice
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[11:27:20] <tty2> i agree mostly you just word what i meant differently
[11:27:22] <sysmonk> k, i'm out to the shop
[11:27:35] <sysmonk> tty2: no, my words mean different thing
[11:27:40] <sysmonk> anyway, af
[11:27:42] <sysmonk> afk*
[11:27:49] <tty2> see ya
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[11:34:51] <whiteflag> (03:57:41 PM) sysmonk: if domain has spf records and ip match it - then it MIGHT be not spam,, .....but if a spammer set SPF to allow half of the world .. and send spams from different ips .. what will we do ?
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[11:35:57] <stockholm> whiteflag: you disregard his spf?
[11:37:01] <whiteflag> stockholm: if his spf is open to most of the ips.. then?
[11:42:04] <tty2> the question is, does it.. .im no expert so ask these guys.
[11:43:04] <tty2> if you blacklist free domains i doubt spammers would waste money on pay domains, if they do they jsut get black listed too. sure they can keep buying new domain names and get around it, but youll get most of the spammers.
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[12:04:55] <stockholm> whiteflag: is it spam that comes from there? then blacklist the ip/range.
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[12:06:06] <stockholm> whiteflag, tty2 there are testsites for spf that would help you even discern if mail was sent correctly or not, from the spf point of view
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[12:16:38] <whiteflag> tty2: I think I need some sort of sender verification than SPF!  To drop mails from invalid domains
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[13:14:28] <tty2> lol trying to test my spam filter, first time in my life i wish i got more spam :)
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[13:23:18] <xpoint> tty2, just put your email address on google and say you need help testing spam filters :)
[13:27:35] <tty2> xpoint: lol
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[13:29:29] <Tuttle> What is the easies way to deliver all mail to particular user?
[13:30:09] <Tuttle> I have a satellite system with no users and I want to catch all mail from this satellite system on my main MTA mailbox.
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[14:30:24] <flobbie> hi
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[16:01:02] <dactor> hello fellows
[16:01:02] <flobbie> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from hmbg-4dba0caa.pool.einsundeins.de[77.186.12.170]: 554 5.7.1 <mail at online dot de>: Relay access denied; from=<info at mail dot de> to=<mail at online dot de> proto=ESMTP helo=<[192.168.178.21]>
[16:01:09] <flobbie> hi
[16:01:28] <dactor> is there a free plugin for postfix to send SMS notification when emails arrive?!
[16:02:49] <flobbie> why does the server do not want the mail?
[16:03:36] <dactor> no i mean i need to send my users SMS notification when a specific email arrives....like filter on the subject, to, from...etc
[16:04:01] <flobbie> how can a server send sms? I thought you do not just need a plugin. You need to have extra hardware or a connection to a mobile provider
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[16:04:58] <dactor> well it can be done through certain providers servers....channeling.
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[16:06:09] <jduggan> flobbie: you can get providers to whom you can send a http(s) get request with your message and the destination phone number
[16:06:21] <jduggan> and you send the auth in the request also
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[17:09:27] <flobbie> jduggan: Was that an answer to my problem?
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[18:19:37] <deftunix> hi all
[18:19:52] <deftunix> some one have suggestion about integration and configuration of amavisd?
[18:20:05] <deftunix> exist documentation of amavisd configuration parameters
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[20:15:39] <TGM> Hy
[20:16:12] <TGM> anybody knows at what manual page I can find php signs?
[20:17:28] <TGM> aka php punctuation
[20:18:30] <TGM> nvm, i found them
[20:19:04] <sekhmet> TGM: ... are you in the wrong channel?
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[20:34:04] <krim> anyone want to help me with creating email accounts ?
[20:34:42] <adaptr> system users ?
[20:35:24] <krim> no i want to have email accounts without having to create system users
[20:36:30] <adaptr> virtual mailboxes, then
[20:36:45] <adaptr> use any of a dozen tutorials, there are many ways
[20:38:29] <krim> after i create a virtual mailbox and want to use a program like procmail to have access to my email how do i even do that ?
[20:39:16] <adaptr> procmail does not give you access to mailboxes
[20:39:46] <krim> okay, how do i download my messeages then with a mail client ?
[20:40:06] <adaptr> with a POP3 or IMAP server
[20:40:48] <krim> like which one should i use, i thought procmail did that lol
[20:41:31] <adaptr> I use dovecot
[20:41:37] <adaptr> there are many
[20:42:39] <krim> okay so with dovecot i wont have to create system user accounts for each account ???
[20:42:48] <adaptr> no
[20:43:02] <adaptr> all you need is a mapping from login/email to mailbox
[20:43:22] <adaptr> and dovecot supports multiple ways to authenticate for it
[20:44:26] <krim> okay, i currently have sendmail installed because its the default for my distro so im going to try to get it working with that, but there is not much of a difference between sendmail and postfix besides there inards is there ?
[20:46:07] <jduggan> gn0rty
[20:46:13] <jduggan> my buddy just ordered pizza from pizzahut
[20:46:17] <jduggan> and noticed their email got rejected, because their helo was non-fqdn
[20:46:30] <jduggan> helo=<phdgoloweb02>
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[20:57:08] <deface> nice
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[23:03:56] <Conker> Can anyone help me get postfix going with virtual mailboxes please, not MySQL or anything fancy
[23:06:16] <vice-versa> !virtual
[23:06:17] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[23:15:24] <Conker> ive added virtual_mailbox_domains, virtual_mailbox_base, virtual_mailbox_maps... and it seamed to break it
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[23:18:25] <crazzter1> Hmmm... have a bit of a problem with a postfix/dspam setup on a Gentoo box. Seems like the rules are only being applied to the 'postmaster' account. I am using a 'virtual mailbox' setup and no db (except for dspam of course) ...and "opt out" is set btw...
[23:18:40] <crazzter1> Any good suggestions? :)
[23:20:08] <dragonheart> show a config?
[23:23:30] <tty2> crazzter1: still there? i just setup uber spam filtering on my gentoo posix install
[23:24:27] <crazzter1> tty2, sorry - had a phonecall :)
[23:24:28] <Conker> www.pastie.org/315787 ... whats up it wont work?
[23:24:59] <Conker> im trying to setup postfix with virtual user mailboxes
[23:25:40] <crazzter1> http://pastebin.com/d3c46a9c9
[23:26:32] <crazzter1> that's pretty much the main part of main.cf
[23:27:31] <tty2> crazzter1: no problem
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[23:28:42] <crazzter1> I have a feeling that dspam somehow cannot see the aliases since "opt out" is not kicking in
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[23:33:20] <Conker> seriously?
[23:34:41] <crazzter1> conker, That config I posted is working for me. Just the dspam part which is playing tricks on me
[23:35:44] <crazzter1> conker, sorry - the "opt out" thing was a comment to my own problem and not yours :)
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[23:39:23] <ghost_lines> hi all
[23:39:45] <ghost_lines> how do i configure postfix to send mail via port 587
[23:40:21] <ghost_lines> i uncommented the submission line in the master.cf file but to no avail
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[23:40:46] <adaptr> ghost_lines: you don't *send* mail via the submission port
[23:40:53] <adaptr> !submission
[23:40:53] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[23:42:44] <ghost_lines> isn't there a way i can force postfix to send mail via the submission port(587) ?
[23:46:12] <tty2> hey guys, i jsut set up postfix with several spam solutions (spamassassin, DCC, razor, amavis) and out of 48 spam messages i received, 4 of them were not cuaght by my spam filter, and there was 1 false positive... Ive tried using sa-update but i cant seem to improve these results. Can someone help me out?
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[23:46:42] <tty2> ghost_lines: you can tell postfix to use whatever port youd like.
[23:50:05] <ghost_lines> ohh k, where do you specify the port also in the master.cf file?
[23:50:52] <tty2> ghost_lines: yup most likely, although depends on exactly what you were doing. Like transports obviously get set in a different place
[23:51:27] <Conker> crazzter1: thanks
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