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[00:05:59] <xpoint> hyper_ch, check_sender_access is enveloppe sender not ip address of the client
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[00:31:32] <mcepl> I don't get from postconf(5) what's the difference between inet_interfaces = loopback-only and inet_interfaces = localhost ; isn't it the same?
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[01:04:31] <rob0> "inet_interfaces = loopback-only" is a Postfix feature, doesn't have to do any name resolution, binds to 127.0.0.1 or whatever else is bound on the system loopback interface.
[01:05:15] <rob0> "inet_interfaces = localhost" uses system resolver to get an IP address for "localhost".
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[01:09:12] <mcepl> rob0: thanks
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[01:51:38] <Skered> Can I enfore TLS to all remote users using a server for SMTP but not have it a requirement for incoming email?
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[01:52:23] <Skered> I noticed that smtpd_tls_auth_only makes incoming email require starttls which might might (if at all) happen?
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[01:54:49] <rimad> hey guys, any reason why when i try to login using Net::SMTP perl module, i get "sql_select option missing, auxpropfunc error no mechanism available, _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql" errors
[01:54:54] <rimad> but outlook works fine...
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[01:57:46] <jra> Skered: standard procedure would be to employ the usage of submission: special port (587?), enforces smtp-auth and tls. have a look at master.cf.
[01:58:53] <SkyLeach> hey all: simple question: I want to allow relaying to any domain for sasl authenticated users over smpt+tls
[01:59:03] <SkyLeach> but I can't seem to get the smtpd_recipietn_restictions correct
[01:59:56] <SkyLeach> my line so far: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject
[02:01:21] <shasta> that's fine
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[02:02:10] <shasta> reject_unauth_destination would be better than reject at the end I think
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[02:03:12] <SkyLeach> well it's rejecting everything
[02:03:23] <SkyLeach> and I know i'm sasl authenticated (or at least I think I am)
[02:03:45] <SkyLeach> oh wait
[02:03:47] <SkyLeach> perhaps not
[02:03:55] <shasta> look for "sasl_username" string in logs
[02:03:56] <SkyLeach> generic_checks: name=permit_sasl_authenticated status=0
[02:04:34] <SkyLeach> it's not there
[02:05:19] <SkyLeach> oh wait
[02:05:54] <SkyLeach> I had to disable #smtpd_sasl_auth_enable because only sasl2 is working on my system
[02:06:06] <SkyLeach> I have sasl2_auth_enable
[02:06:25] <SkyLeach> should that work fine?
[02:07:33] <SkyLeach> when sasl_auth_enable is turned on I get an error: warning: SASL authentication problem: unknown password verifier
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[02:11:43] <rimad> guys, any idea why i get "sql_select option missing, auxpropfunc error no mechanism available"...but only with some clients?
[02:12:51] <jra> those clients trying some mechanism (cram-md5, digest-md5) that isn't available? ever tried saslfinger?
[02:13:29] <rimad> no never...
[02:15:01] <rimad> anyway that shouldnt be a problem right...all it does is rejects those clients...but here is another problem, when i try to send email with those clients...email dont get delivered at all
[02:15:05] <rimad> this is what i found in log:
[02:15:09] <rimad> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from user28.77-105-28.netatonce.net[77.105.28.28]: 554 5.7.1 <mail at gmail dot com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied; from=<webmaster at somesite dot net> to=<mail at gmail dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<somesite.net>
[02:15:26] <rimad> however it works fine with Outlook for example...
[02:16:21] <SkyLeach> I have something wrong in my sasl configuration it appears
[02:17:18] <SkyLeach> if I disable sasl2 I get access denied
[02:17:40] <SkyLeach> same if I enable it
[02:17:43] <Skered> jra: It looks like smtpd_tls_auth_only is what I'm looking for
[02:18:31] <SkyLeach> ok, first problems first
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[02:21:45] <SkyLeach> unknown password verifier
[02:21:52] <SkyLeach> google results show tons of this stuff
[02:22:08] <SkyLeach> but I checked all of them and they don't, at first scan, seem to apply
[02:22:38] <SkyLeach> /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf has 2 pwcheck_method entries
[02:22:47] <SkyLeach> one is for saslauthd
[02:22:56] <shasta> SkyLeach, there's no such configuration parameter as "sasl2_auth_enable"
[02:22:59] <shasta> !sasl
[02:23:00] <knoba> shasta: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[02:23:05] <shasta> SkyLeach, ^^^^^^^^
[02:23:17] <SkyLeach> shasta, smtpd_sasl2_auth_enable
[02:23:30] <shasta> SkyLeach, nor that
[02:23:42] <shasta> # postconf | grep -c sasl2
[02:23:42] <shasta> 0
[02:23:43] <shasta> #
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[02:24:25] <SkyLeach> ok
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[02:24:31] <SkyLeach> well, commented out then.
[02:25:28] <SkyLeach> what should I check for "unknown password verifier"?
[02:27:21] <SkyLeach> I'm using courier/authlib for imap
[02:27:26] <SkyLeach> and it's working fine
[02:27:48] <SkyLeach> I had thought it was configured for smtp as well
[02:27:51] <SkyLeach> but I could be mistaken
[02:28:34] <shasta> sigh
[02:28:46] <shasta> did you read the URL knoba gave?
[02:28:59] <SkyLeach> I didn't even see the url he gave :-)
[02:29:10] <SkyLeach> reading
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[02:45:06] <b3ta> hi,my mails are not getting delivered,i just tried to send a sample mail to root@localhost,and i checked teh mail.log,its saying a connection timeout error to a diffdomain like root at something dot com
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[02:51:02] <Bart[mdv]> hello. How I can enable SMTP-baner delay at postfix?
[02:51:22] <Bart[mdv]> for example - some client connecting to SMTP-port
[02:51:59] <Bart[mdv]> postfix wait some seconds, then write "220 <hostname> ESMTP server"
[02:53:26] <Bart[mdv]> if this client write something before smtp-banner - close smtp-connection
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[03:38:28] <r0ny> hi
[03:38:58] <rob0> m1crosoft.com :)
[03:40:43] <r0ny> :)
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[03:42:58] <r0ny> hey
[03:43:08] <r0ny> i'm getting a weird erro
[03:43:27] <r0ny> when i am trying to send an email to root@localhost
[03:44:07] <r0ny> in mail.log it showing like,its trying to send it to root at myold dot domain.com
[03:44:38] <r0ny> i cant figure out from where i am getting that
[03:44:43] <sahil> might as well be microsoft.com.
[03:45:21] <r0ny> hehe'
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[03:51:22] <rimad> is it possible to remove "Received: from" header? for example if i send an email through my mail server, reciever can see my clients ip address as well as servers ip...can i somehow hide clients ip?
[03:56:45] <cite> Good morning.
[04:03:05] <rob0> rimad, yes, header_checks(5), IGNORE. But hope you don't ever get a mail loop!
[04:03:59] <cite> rob0: Do you _ever_ sleep?
[04:04:13] <r0ny> hi
[04:04:14] <r0ny> r0ny:
[04:04:17] <r0ny> grr
[04:04:51] <rob0> Why would I sleep at 21:06?
[04:05:02] <rob0> UTC-6 here
[04:05:25] <cite> Ah right. TImezones. Internet.
[04:06:29] <cite> rob0: He can PREPEND X-Beenthere: his.hostname at /^To:.*/ and then IGNORE /^Received from .* by his client/
[04:06:51] <cite> Oh, and then REJECT /^X-Beenthere: his.server/
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[04:17:57] <cite> I've noticed a massive decline in SMTP activity (incoming) since the day before yesterday at around 04:00pm UTC.
[04:18:34] <cite> Down from a few thousand connections per minute to less than 400. Some major botnets taken down in the U.S. of A.?
[04:18:48] <growltiger> yes
[04:18:53] <growltiger> mccolo.com
[04:18:55] <cite> Erm-. Make That decrease, not decline, I guess.
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[04:19:32] <growltiger> global crossing and hurricane electric shut them off
[04:19:43] <cite> AH. That explains a lot.
[04:19:44] <rob0> oh nice
[04:20:23] <growltiger> you dont read slashdot?
[04:20:34] <cite> Of the remaining REJECTs, most are clients located somewehere in the Soview Republic.
[04:20:37] <cite> Soviet*
[04:20:50] <cite> No, I don't.
[04:21:42] <growltiger> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/12/1253230
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[04:25:26] <growltiger> that shutdown coincides with your decrease in spam
[04:25:48] <cite> Indeed.
[04:26:14] <growltiger> http://www.spamcop.net/spamgraph.shtml?spamweek
[04:27:09] <cite> I hate Thursdays.
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[07:06:02] <JyZyXEL> IMAP or POP?
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[07:08:36] <jeev> lol
[07:08:39] <jeev> you're funny JyZyXEL
[07:08:45] <JyZyXEL> y?
[07:08:56] <jeev> your one word questions in every channel :)
[07:08:59] <jeev> i prefer pop but i always have both.
[07:09:30] <JyZyXEL> lol im on fire this morning
[07:09:33] <JyZyXEL> fixing everything at once
[07:09:35] <jeev> lol
[07:09:41] <jeev> i wish i had that motivation
[07:10:50] <JyZyXEL> last time i fetched mail with fetchmail i erased like 8 years worth of emails
[07:12:20] <jeev> llol
[07:12:20] <jeev> brb
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[08:30:16] <r0ny> hi any one around
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[08:53:41] <PaSzCzUs> hello
[08:53:42] <PaSzCzUs> !relay
[08:53:43] <knoba> PaSzCzUs: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[08:53:45] <PaSzCzUs> damn
[08:53:56] <PaSzCzUs> i have a problem with sending mails outside mydomain.com
[08:54:07] <PaSzCzUs> well, only users got problem using Outlook Express
[08:54:17] <PaSzCzUs> with thunderbird and Outlook 2000 etc it`s ok
[08:54:24] <PaSzCzUs> any idea how to fix this?
[08:54:37] <PaSzCzUs> : Relay access denied;
[08:56:18] <rob0> !relay_denied
[08:56:18] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[08:56:22] <rob0> !outlook
[08:56:23] <knoba> rob0: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work. See the following MS KB article to enable transport logging in Outlook that may be of some help in troubleshooting, http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300479/en-us
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[08:56:42] <rob0> afk
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[08:58:00] <mrhavi> hey guys is it critical that a server running debian and postfix with dovecot have more then one public ip
[08:58:02] * sysmonk has a wireless keyboard
[08:58:20] <sysmonk> yes, it's critical. the debian part, that is
[08:58:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:58:31] <PaSzCzUs> ok i found the problem
[08:58:38] <PaSzCzUs> it`s problem outlook with dovecot
[08:58:44] * seekwill has a wireless keyboard that doesn't use radio
[08:59:02] <PaSzCzUs> after commented out:
[08:59:03] <PaSzCzUs> #smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[08:59:04] <PaSzCzUs> #smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[08:59:04] <mrhavi> sysmonk.. can you please explain why. if you dont mind
[08:59:06] <PaSzCzUs> it`s help
[08:59:41] <sysmonk> mrhavi: it was a joke, those who didn't understand it - they just won't
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[09:02:26] <mrhavi> well i guess im sorry your humor eluded me. So i take that as a no... would you say running them all on one server with one ip email would be no problem say 2k-10k emails a week?
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[09:04:14] <seekwill> sysmonk: How much capacity can one IP handle?
[09:04:28] <seekwill> mrhavi: What are your concerns?
[09:04:35] <mrhavi> i guess the problems i am having im trying to blame on a reason. I cant get email to serve to hotmail,gmail, yahoo. but it works fine with godaddy domains
[09:05:01] <seekwill> Yep, you'll get that with a "bad" IP
[09:05:20] <mrhavi> really
[09:05:22] <seekwill> Check your IP against Spamhaus
[09:05:40] <seekwill> And/or stop sending spam
[09:05:53] <mrhavi> me..
[09:05:59] <seekwill> No one needs to send 2k emails a week
[09:06:21] <mrhavi> you have said that before..
[09:06:24] <seekwill> haha
[09:06:31] <seekwill> Oh. Joke only good once... :/
[09:06:32] <mrhavi> no seriously
[09:06:40] <mrhavi> but we do...
[09:06:46] * seekwill sends out 2k emails a second
[09:07:14] <mrhavi> and were not spamming.. we have email lists. that the brokers need updating on prices
[09:07:19] <seekwill> mrhavi: As I've most likely said before, you're better off outsourcing your email.
[09:07:29] <mrhavi> awww your no fun
[09:07:38] <chadmaynard> <advertisement>
[09:07:49] <seekwill> :P
[09:07:57] <seekwill> chadmaynard: We don't sell to endusers :P
[09:08:10] <chadmaynard> you have partners im sure
[09:08:21] <seekwill> They are called "customers"
[09:08:22] <mrhavi> well we have a reputation with the brokers... need to keep them up to date
[09:08:54] <chadmaynard> they don't care, really
[09:09:11] <mrhavi> hmmmmm
[09:09:13] <mrhavi> ok
[09:09:14] <f3ew> mrhavi, do you have feedback loops with Y!, etc?
[09:09:26] <mrhavi> no i do no
[09:09:27] <chadmaynard> that's why they are flagging your stuff as spam =)
[09:09:27] <seekwill> mrhavi: Did you look up your IP address yet?
[09:09:28] <mrhavi> not
[09:09:36] * f3ew recommends starting off there
[09:09:51] <f3ew> 2K/week is doable with a 486 and one 2400 RPM IDE
[09:09:53] <seekwill> I think Y! closed their FBL
[09:09:56] <f3ew> on dialup
[09:09:58] <f3ew> No
[09:10:47] * seekwill finds a blog entry saying Y!'s FBLs are available as of yesterday ... :P
[09:11:09] <stockholm> oh?
[09:11:22] <stockholm> does it say what was the problem?
[09:11:49] <seekwill> They still need to update their FAQ, since it still says it's closed
[09:12:47] <mrhavi> Outbound Email Policy of The Spamhaus Project for this IP range:
[09:12:47] <mrhavi> This IP range has been identified by Spamhaus as not meeting our policy for IPs which should deliver 'direct-to-mx' mail to PBL users.
[09:12:58] <seekwill> Hey look at that!
[09:13:12] <mrhavi> how in the @#$% did that happen
[09:14:11] <mrhavi> seekwill.. can that block users like yahoo, hotmail, gmail?
[09:14:17] <seekwill> Yup
[09:14:36] <mrhavi> verywell.. seekwill a beer for you
[09:14:49] <seekwill> Yahoo, hotmail, gmail do offer programs that might help you around that
[09:15:08] <seekwill> In general, it's better to just get a better relay or IP
[09:15:32] <mrhavi> yes.. i will agree... after all it is a TWC dynamic ip
[09:15:40] <seekwill> haha
[09:15:59] <mrhavi> we have 4 static ip from a t3 siting right next to it
[09:16:13] <seekwill> Why aren't you using that?
[09:16:47] <mrhavi> i need a much bigger switch.. infact were trying to get this new load balencing router
[09:17:03] <chadmaynard> 4 IPs on a T3?
[09:17:09] <seekwill> Bigger switch for what?
[09:17:14] <chadmaynard> who did you buy this from?
[09:17:21] <seekwill> chadmaynard: <advertisement>
[09:17:32] <chadmaynard> I've never seen them with less than 32
[09:17:47] <mrhavi> ohh 32ip?
[09:18:04] <mrhavi> well im sure we have many more ips non which i will use
[09:18:26] <seekwill> haha
[09:18:27] <mrhavi> a bigger switch for redundant connections
[09:18:28] <seekwill> You know what...
[09:18:44] <seekwill> You could probably calculate the capacity of an IP address
[09:19:17] <chadmaynard> the capacity of an IP ?
[09:19:18] <seekwill> Given the assumption that 90% of emails will go to a handful of ISPs, you can find out those ISPs throttles...
[09:19:22] <seekwill> Yeah
[09:19:33] <mrhavi> uhhhh ok
[09:20:04] <seekwill> Lots of assumptions, but if you're list is to the "general public", you could probably do that...
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[09:20:40] <seekwill> That would be a fun project...
[09:20:41] <mrhavi> throttles you mean... sending out just enough so i dont get blacklisted?
[09:20:59] <seekwill> Yeah... like that
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[09:21:20] <seekwill> We're talking high volume here... 10k /week is...not a problem
[09:21:33] <mrhavi> whats your record?
[09:21:33] <chadmaynard> they probably didn't blacklist him for quantity
[09:21:48] <mrhavi> well i havent sent any out yet...
[09:21:58] <seekwill> Record for what?
[09:22:06] <mrhavi> so i dont know why im blacklisted before i get off the groung
[09:22:09] <mrhavi> ground
[09:22:17] <seekwill> mrhavi: They're not published
[09:22:20] <mrhavi> record for emailing
[09:22:28] <seekwill> But basically, read everything off postmaster.yahoo.com
[09:22:32] <seekwill> postmaster.hotmail.com
[09:22:35] <seekwill> Not sure what gmail's is
[09:22:41] <f3ew> IP
[09:22:53] <f3ew> an IP in PBL should NEVER, EVER send mail
[09:23:09] <seekwill> f3ew: He's going to use his T3
[09:23:35] <mrhavi> whoa whoa whoa... hold on a tick... ip in pbl... do you mind telling me about that
[09:23:48] <seekwill> The site tells you all about it
[09:23:52] <mrhavi> ok
[09:24:01] <mrhavi> what time you guys here till
[09:24:07] <f3ew> mrhavi> Outbound Email Policy of The Spamhaus Project for this IP range:
[09:24:08] <seekwill> 5PM
[09:24:08] <f3ew> <mrhavi> This IP range has been identified by Spamhaus as not meeting our policy for IPs which should deliver 'direct-to-mx' mail to PBL users.
[09:24:09] <seekwill> Then we're out
[09:24:39] <seekwill> chadmaynard is here till 2PST
[09:24:59] <mrhavi> wait...
[09:25:00] <f3ew> The Spamhaus PBL is a DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP for that customer's use. The PBL helps networks enforce their Acceptable Use Policy for dynamic and non-MTA customer IP ranges.
[09:25:07] <f3ew> http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/index.lasso
[09:25:25] <seekwill> Does TWC allow you to relay through them?
[09:25:44] <mrhavi> hmmmm good question
[09:25:54] <seekwill> And what about the T3????
[09:25:57] <mrhavi> i have a Bus. class connection
[09:26:30] <chadmaynard> is that DSL?
[09:26:53] <mrhavi> 2 t1,s 2 dynamic connections and 1 t3
[09:26:55] <mrhavi> hahah
[09:27:01] <mrhavi> dsl... all cable
[09:27:05] <mrhavi> or fiber
[09:27:30] <chadmaynard> A frame would be cheaper
[09:28:14] <mrhavi> so obviously since im using the dynamic connection that is the reason..
[09:28:41] <chadmaynard>  probably. Dynamic ranges are often listed
[09:28:48] <mrhavi> ahhhh...
[09:28:50] <chadmaynard> just because they are dynamic
[09:29:11] <mrhavi> what are you guys using for email
[09:29:28] <mrhavi> postfix and...
[09:29:35] <chadmaynard> Super G3 fax machine
[09:29:48] <mrhavi> those are amazing
[09:30:50] <mrhavi> no but seriously... dovecot..
[09:31:59] <chadmaynard> dovecot isn't a MTA afaik
[09:32:22] <mrhavi> i know that.. i just wanted to know the setups you guys had..
[09:32:48] <chadmaynard> oh
[09:32:51] <mrhavi> so i can understand more of why or what i would use
[09:32:58] <mrhavi> how much power i really need
[09:33:15] <seekwill> At 10k, I wouldn't host it internally :P
[09:33:24] <mrhavi> what would you do...
[09:33:31] <seekwill> Out... source :)
[09:33:37] <mrhavi> gah!
[09:33:41] <chadmaynard> seekwill: you'd do it for fun
[09:33:48] <seekwill> Of course
[09:33:53] <mrhavi> come on.. stop with the outsorce
[09:34:01] <seekwill> You asked what I'd do
[09:34:13] <seekwill> You asked what I'd do, in your situation
[09:34:15] <mrhavi> but thats not fun
[09:34:28] <seekwill> You think being a postmaster for 10k emails/week is fun?
[09:34:29] <mrhavi> what about in your situation
[09:34:39] <seekwill> My situation is different and doesn't relate
[09:34:50] <mrhavi> well what if i wanted to know
[09:34:54] <seekwill> I won't say
[09:35:02] <chadmaynard> confidential information!
[09:35:07] <mrhavi> i guess soooo...
[09:35:29] <mrhavi> i can tell you do this for a living
[09:35:30] <seekwill> Look, to be a good postmaster, you'll need to work with the major ISPs to build up better IP reputation
[09:35:42] <seekwill> It's the same for 10k emails a week and 10k/emails an hour
[09:35:55] <mrhavi> ip reputation
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[09:36:35] <mrhavi> any tips... other then emailing the ceos of all the companys saying id really like it if they would let my emails go through
[09:36:54] <seekwill> Yeah...http://postmaster.yahoo.com http://postmaster.hotmail.com
[09:36:58] <seekwill> I forgot Gmail's
[09:37:03] <mrhavi> ohhh ok
[09:37:03] <seekwill> I bet you could Google it
[09:37:14] <seekwill> And don't ask what to google for...
[09:37:25] <chadmaynard> tip: dont email CEOs
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[09:38:03] <mrhavi> chadmaynard.. good tip
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[09:39:27] <chadmaynard> set seekwill as your smarthost
[09:39:36] <f3ew> heh
[09:39:37] * seekwill already blocks PBL
[09:39:41] <seekwill> :P
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[09:40:04] * f3ew is enjoying the reduction in spam
[09:40:11] <f3ew> Mccolo's death is good
[09:40:31] <seekwill> I actually got one spam message the other day, that wasn't caught by all my antispam!
[09:40:41] <seekwill> I wanted to print it
[09:41:00] <chadmaynard> you should buy the product
[09:41:12] <seekwill> Good idea...
[09:41:18] <chadmaynard> what is it?
[09:41:23] <seekwill> I deleted it :/
[09:41:28] <seekwill> I should sleep
[09:41:31] <seekwill> Why aren't you asleep?
[09:41:38] * f3ew adds coffee into seekwill
[09:41:52] <chadmaynard> I dunno. 4AM now. Might as well stay awake
[09:41:54] <seekwill> EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!
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[09:42:12] <mrhavi> i take it you are in the east side
[09:42:27] <seekwill> coast....
[09:42:28] * f3ew is kinda to the east
[09:42:44] <seekwill> You know... I have work tomorrow....
[09:42:48] <seekwill> !fooP
[09:42:49] <knoba> seekwill: Error: "fooP" is not a valid command.
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[09:43:22] <chadmaynard> seekwill is in WA state
[09:43:29] <chadmaynard> usually
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[09:43:42] <chadmaynard> unless you meant me
[09:43:49] * f3ew is at work
[09:44:41] <chadmaynard> boo
[09:45:57] * f3ew threatens to offer hosting to all of Mccolo
[09:46:01] <f3ew> 's ex-customers
[09:50:51] <mrhavi> ohhh wow.. this email stuff is poo.... all i want to do is send a few thousand emails
[09:51:19] <f3ew> mrhavi, it's not difficult
[09:51:34] <mrhavi> f3ew... ok can i pm u
[09:51:37] <f3ew> You need a good reputation
[09:51:46] <mrhavi> so far not so good
[09:51:55] * f3ew suggests that speaking the the channel would be a better alternative
[09:52:10] <f3ew> Use static IPs, have proper forward and reverse DNS setup
[09:52:41] <mrhavi> alright... that can be done on the same debian machine... right.
[09:53:06] <chadmaynard> global DNS. not local
[09:53:23] <mrhavi> need say. 2 ips for one postfix machine..
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[10:01:27] <f3ew> one
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[10:17:01] <mcepl> could somebody explain me this http://www.pastebin.cz/11738 ???
[10:17:31] <mcepl> why all local emails going back to root?
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[10:43:27] <b3ta> hi
[10:43:30] <b3ta> User unknown in virtual alias table
[10:47:02] <f3ew> !virtual
[10:47:03] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[11:00:44] <r0ny> hi i got something like this
[11:01:31] <r0ny> john at mysite dot com john
[11:01:39] <r0ny> and i done postmap virtual
[11:01:55] <r0ny> still it says User unknown in virtual alias table
[11:02:01] <r0ny> reloaded main.cnf
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[11:12:51] <Signum> r0ny: is mysite.com listet in virtual_alias_domains?
[11:14:18] <r0ny> Signum: yes
[11:14:34] <r0ny> but my mx record is mail.mysite.com
[11:15:53] <Signum> r0ny: as long as the MX record points to your postfix server that's fine
[11:16:26] <r0ny> my sender and recpent is teh same
[11:16:33] <r0ny> thats how i tried
[11:16:38] <r0ny> is that ok?
[11:16:42] <Signum> r0ny: sure
[11:16:49] <Signum> r0ny: does the virtual_alias_maps point to your virtual file?
[11:17:19] <r0ny> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[11:17:34] <r0ny> Signum: what should be the format of virtual file?
[11:17:44] <Signum> r0ny: "source destination" - one per line
[11:17:57] <Signum> r0ny: see "man 5 virtual"
[11:18:05] <Signum> r0ny: what is the exact line from your mail.log?
[11:18:07] <jduggan> r0ny you such a n00b
[11:18:12] <jduggan> =]
[11:19:10] <r0ny> :(
[11:19:16] <Signum> jduggan: why that?
[11:19:31] <jduggan> Signum: s'ok, i know him from another network =], im just messin
[11:19:44] <r0ny> coz he knew me for ages ;)
[11:19:57] <Signum> ok :)
[11:20:59] <r0ny> Signum:
[11:21:04] <r0ny> Nov 13 05:13:41 WSN004 postfix/error[11389]: 3DDE81F005E: to=<chris at mysite dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)
[11:21:40] <r0ny> this is weird
[11:22:12] <Signum> r0ny: do you have a line for "chris at mysite dot com" in your virtual file? earlier you said you have "john at mysite dot com" there
[11:22:30] <r0ny> yeah i have
[11:22:58] <Signum> r0ny: try "postmap -q chris at mysite dot com hash:/etc/postfix/virtual"
[11:24:28] <r0ny> it says chris
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[11:25:39] <r0ny> let me try something
[11:26:44] <Bart[mdv]> hello. How I can enable SMTP-baner delay at postfix?
[11:26:49] <Bart[mdv]> for example - some client connecting to SMTP-port
[11:26:57] <Bart[mdv]> postfix wait some seconds, then write "220 <hostname> ESMTP server"
[11:27:02] <Bart[mdv]> if this client write something before smtp-banner - close smtp-connection
[11:28:53] <Roobarb> why bother?
[11:29:41] <f3ew> !sleep
[11:29:41] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "sleep" is not a valid command.
[11:29:57] <robtone_> and do not announce PIPELINING
[11:29:59] <f3ew> Bart[mdv] search http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sleep
[11:30:19] <f3ew> Also, my spamtraps have seen a 80% drop since yesterday
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[11:32:42] <Roobarb> f3ew: that may be related to this: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/11/major_source_of_online_scams_a.html
[11:33:12] * Roobarb has seen no change
[11:33:22] <robtone_> delay_reject=no
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[11:38:29] <Bart[mdv]> f3ew: I read this, but It does not work :-( I use postfix 2.3.8
[11:40:25] <robtone_> bart I use http://pastebin.com/m3e0a1706
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[11:42:30] <robtone_> in 1 month I have: 22  Client host rejected: Improper use of SMTP command pipelining
[11:42:44] <robtone_> so, this isn't that usefull
[11:43:05] <Roobarb> and I'll bet those connections would've been blocked later on anyway
[11:43:06] <Selfarian> Hello, i want to know, how to write a script to send some mails with fix subject and data to an email adress. Could anyone help me with this? :>
[11:43:15] <robtone_> Roobarb, that's irrelevant
[11:43:33] <Roobarb> Selfarian: mail -s "Subject" recipient at example dot com < message_body
[11:43:52] <robtone_> Roobarb, the point for me using this approach is, that they quickly come back, resp. retry, which is a trigger for some iptables recent/dstlimit rules
[11:44:19] <Selfarian> Roobarb and message_body is a textfile with the body?
[11:44:29] <Roobarb> Selfarian: yus
[11:44:54] <Selfarian> can i also set the "from"?
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[11:47:13] <robtone_> Bart[mdv], yet I wouldn't suggest to copy&paste it, you should rather understand the semantic behind it. And this is out of the scope of IRC.
[11:55:22] <Bart[mdv]> yes, I understand this :-)
[11:56:18] <Bart[mdv]> some seconds ago I ended edit my configuration and test it - it works. Thanks.
[11:57:57] <f3ew> Roobarb, I know that :)
[11:58:13] * f3ew is slightly more active in the antispam community
[12:01:59] <Selfarian> can i define the "from" part of a mail with the "mail" command?
[12:02:19] <Selfarian> or is there another way to send mails :-)
[12:02:36] <f3ew> mutt
[12:03:45] <Roobarb> the envelope RCPT TO and MAIL FROM are defined by the user you run mail as and the destination address y9ou use on the commandline, but that doesn't stop you adding To: and From: headers to the body
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[12:15:22] <Selfarian> hm... but if the recipient clicks reply, will the reply go to the MAIL FROM of the user or of the header?
[12:17:18] <f3ew> header
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[12:20:56] <Selfarian> thank you
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[12:25:37] <Selfarian> f3ew: could you give me am example to send an e-mail with mutt?
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[12:27:53] <f3ew> mutt -a attachment -s subject recipient < body_text
[12:28:33] <Selfarian> thanks
[12:31:47] <b3ta> hi,i got postfix running perfectly on my machine..now i need to integrate it wil squirrel mail,can any one point me to any latest docs
[12:31:50] <b3ta> i am on ubuntu
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[12:52:13] <Emme_NK> Hi!
[12:52:21] <Emme_NK> I have many mails in the queue with a wrong transport
[12:52:34] <Emme_NK> when I do "postfix flush", It tries this wrong transport again..
[12:52:44] <f3ew> postsuper -r ALL
[12:52:45] <Emme_NK> can I somehow "bulk-change" the transport?
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[12:53:01] <toufinet> Hello here
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[12:53:03] * f3ew just told you :P
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[12:53:31] <toufinet> I have a small problem since I have reboot my server
[12:53:31] <Emme_NK> f3ew: thanks!
[12:53:31] <Emme_NK> that did it...
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[12:53:46] <toufinet> have postfix, with courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl, plus roundcubemail for webmail
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[12:54:12] <toufinet> i can login, i can see I have new mails, I can see the title of the mail
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[12:54:17] <toufinet> but i can't read them
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[12:54:29] <toufinet> same thing with a soft like outlook
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[12:54:48] <toufinet> does anyone have an idea of where is the problem and how to solve it ?
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[13:25:37] <milligan_> At the moment, postfix is delivering email to /var/mail .. I want mail to be delivered in a users homedir. How can that be done ?
[13:26:23] <milligan_> Also, I want to use Maildir, and not mbox, as having all e-mail in one file is pretty ugly imo.
[13:26:29] <f3ew> home_mailbox = Maildir/
[13:26:47] <f3ew> you may need to turn off procmail, or change procmail cnofig
[13:26:50] <f3ew> config
[13:28:18] <milligan_> home_mailbox = Maildir/ is at the bottom of my config , and procmail isn't installed.
[13:28:30] <f3ew> logs?
[13:29:15] <milligan_> Nov 13 13:25:56 Shell postfix/local[12605]: 03C21FC5DC: to=<kris at domain dot tld>, relay=local, delay=0.13, delays=0.06/0.02/0/0.04, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
[13:30:01] <milligan_> hold on
[13:30:10] <milligan_> I might have shoved the command into the wrong config. one sec.
[13:32:35] <milligan_> can I make it .Maildir/ to make the folder hidden ?
[13:36:06] <Roobarb> yes
[13:36:25] <milligan_> Excellent. Thanks a bunch for the help. I had found the command, but I was putting it in the wrong config :-\
[13:36:26] <Roobarb> although there are benefits to not doing that
[13:36:35] <milligan_> What kind of benifits?
[13:36:54] <Roobarb> ~/Maildir/ is often the default place to look for thiunkgs like IMAP/POP3 servers
[13:36:56] <_ruben> most tools expect it to be Maildir/
[13:37:36] <milligan_> Ah, I configed dovecot to handle that, so that's fine :)
[13:37:39] <Roobarb> you can set it whatever you want, but life is a little easier if you stick with a standard place
[13:37:40] <milligan_> thanks for the heads up though
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[13:40:03] <toufinet> After a reboot of my server, new mails are only accessible with telnet .. the webmail and outlook can't read the new mails .. any ideas ?
[13:40:54] <onre> not postfix related
[13:41:12] <onre> prolly your imap/pop3(whichever you use) server didn't start
[13:41:22] <cpm> sounds like it
[13:44:50] <toufinet> i couldn't read my mails with telnet if imap server didn't start ...
[13:45:01] <toufinet> am i wrong ?
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[13:47:14] <onre> "with telnet" is a bit vague
[13:47:25] <onre> and still, it has nothing to do with postfix :)
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[13:50:54] <toufinet> "with telnet" = "telnet localhost 143"
[13:51:35] <cpm> imap server is working then
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[13:56:43] <Roobarb> toufinet: that proves you can connect to *localhost*. Do you have a firewall blocking connections from outside?
[13:58:06] <toufinet> doesn't seem so ...
[13:59:32] <toufinet> i can't also connect with telnet from outside
[13:59:35] <toufinet> can*
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[14:09:43] <SkyLeach> hey guys, I know I am doing something wrong here but I've been beating my head against this for two days with no results: postfix + sasl + mysql
[14:10:28] <SkyLeach> first problem: if I use pwcheck_method:saslauthd I get nothing from postfix... np I switched to pwcheck_method:auxprop
[14:11:02] <SkyLeach> now I get the correct username/password from postfix smtp xsasl_cyrus_server_* etc...
[14:11:11] <SkyLeach> but I still get authentication failed
[14:11:21] <SkyLeach> IMAP works great
[14:11:40] <SkyLeach> I think that I have something in postfix configured incorrectly and that sasl is doing it's part just fine.
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[14:13:05] <SkyLeach> I tried using smtp_sasl_password_maps to no avail
[14:13:13] <SkyLeach> I couldn't even find a place where it was being called :-/
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[14:18:30] <nine> I'm slowly despairing trying to integrate mailman lists in my postfix 2.4.5 server. Despite adding hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases to alias_maps and hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman to virtual_alias_maps I get an (unknown user: "mitarbeiter at mail dot atikon.at") from virtual when trying to send mail to mitarbeiter at atikon dot com
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[14:28:10] <nine> Seems like local users (like root) don't work at all...
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[14:41:02] <nine> I suspect the 'local_transport = virtual' setting to be my problem. But as I've inherited this server, I don't know what it was meant for...
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[15:16:58] <nine> I got it! fallback_transport = local instead of local_transport = virtual does the trick for me.
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[15:58:16] <iloza> hi, what is the main postfix daemon that startsup and that I can check to see how long postfix as been running for?
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[16:05:25] <Roobarb> iloza: you will probably see /usr/lib/postfix/master in your process list. If you are on Linux, you can do "ps axf" and see a tree view, which will include that process as the parent of a number of others (qmgr, anvil, pickup, smtpd etc)
[16:06:36] <joel> hello.. i have one problem, i have postfix installed and i am presnting some diffculties with email getting to the users. There are some guys that tell me that they still don't see any mail. In my logs it says "delivered to maildir" but in my maildir structure directory
[16:06:41] <joel> it never appears
[16:06:52] <Roobarb> iloza: postfix will log when it is started with a message like:  postfix/master[31960]: daemon started -- version 2.5.1, configuration /etc/postfix
[16:07:46] <Roobarb> joel: do you have home_mailbox defined in main.cf ?
[16:08:16] <joel> Roobarb, no
[16:09:03] <Roobarb> then mail is probably going to /var/spool/mail/$USER
[16:09:28] <joel> Roobarb: no it is not. I have a ldap configuration with virtual users
[16:09:34] <Roobarb> assuming you are using Unix system accounts
[16:09:34] <joel> i have a user called 'vmail'
[16:09:38] <Roobarb> meh
[16:09:56] <joel> and every mailbox is under /home/vmail/mydomain.com
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[16:16:20] <joel> ?
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[16:17:48] <Roobarb> joel: I'm entirely unfamiliar with virtualised mailboxes
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[16:18:10] <Roobarb> joel: however, if it says its delivered to a maildir, it really will have deliverd it somewhere.
[16:18:33] <joel> Roobarb, well in fact it is not
[16:18:46] <Roobarb> joel: you may need to resort to sending a mail with a unique string in it and then grepping your directories for it
[16:18:57] <joel> i'm reading its mailbox and any message new doesn't  aooear
[16:19:12] <Roobarb> joel: if postfix says its on disk, its on disk. It may not be where you expect it however
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[16:19:45] <Roobarb> it will not be discarding anything
[16:21:09] <iloza> roobarb - ps -eo "%U %c %t" | grep master
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[16:26:35] <App3l> is there any tool for real time analyzing postfix log files? i want to block mass-mailing ppl
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[16:27:15] <App3l> i've found spamguard, but it's segfaults while reading my logs
[16:27:33] <Dominian> wtf is spamguard
[16:27:37] <App3l> and it doesn't seem to be under heavy development
[16:27:50] <rob0> You mean your own users, sending mass mail?
[16:27:55] <App3l> yep
[16:28:00] <rob0> damn
[16:28:29] <App3l> i've got 40k users, and I want to block them if they are sending bulk mail or spam
[16:28:35] <rob0> There are various policy servers which do this in a much more elegant way than scanning logs.
[16:28:55] <App3l> like?
[16:30:10] <joel> Roobarb, how can i look for it in the filesystem?
[16:31:02] <Roobarb> grep -r "string" /path
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[16:33:42] <App3l> rob0: can you give an example for such policy server?
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[16:54:14] <joel> Roobarb, well it does not appear anywhere in the dissk
[16:54:49] <Roobarb> I suggest you take it to the mailing list then
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[17:01:48] <telpochyaotl> hi all! I am running postfix on gentoo. I have a wierd app bug I'm trying to debug. Some particular emails sent from this system never make it to their destination. Is there a way to see what has been sent from my smtp ?
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[17:05:59] <User765> hi, can I ask a postfix question here?
[17:06:05] <seekwill> no
[17:06:11] <seekwill> telpochyaotl: Check your logs
[17:06:17] <rob0> Nope, only off-topic stuff allowed.
[17:06:23] <User765> ok :-)
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[17:07:33] <User765> I have postfix 2.5.1, ubuntu, and I have one user who I want to relay to a certain other machine.
[17:07:58] <rob0> App3l, maybe policyd? Google "postfix policy server"?
[17:07:59] <User765> The other machine only accepts mail for user at example dot com.
[17:08:48] <User765> I want the address user at example dot com to go to mail2.example.com, but rewrite the addr to look like user at example dot com
[17:08:57] <User765> does this make sense?
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[17:09:19] <telpochyaotl> seekwill: which logs?
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[17:09:51] <seekwill> telpochyaotl: All of them
[17:10:10] <seekwill> maillog would be a start
[17:12:36] <User765> I used virtual map to say user at example dot com -> user at mail2 dot example.com which works on this machine, but the other end rejects it because it only accepts for example.com.
[17:12:48] <App3l> rob0: thnx, looking at policyd
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[17:25:09] <User765> hi, anyone have any ideas how to rewrite this address when sending to a particular relay host??
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[17:27:00] <lc0035234> hello, my postfix does not deliver emails, what could be the problem, where to start?
[17:27:57] <Dominian> logs
[17:28:00] <Dominian> read logs
[17:28:10] <Dominian> or hire someone who knows what they are doing
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[17:28:31] <lc0035234> i am hired to do that
[17:28:39] <lc0035234> so I can't hire people
[17:28:45] <[reed]> hire yourself then?
[17:28:51] <[reed]> take a pay cut
[17:28:54] <lc0035234> hehehehe
[17:28:59] <Dominian> lc0035234: That's scary
[17:29:09] <Dominian> considering you just asked a very routine quetion
[17:29:11] <lc0035234> where are the logs?
[17:29:24] <Dominian> oye
[17:30:25] <lc0035234> Dominian: it may be the dns, where is the dns configured in postfix?
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[17:30:49] <Dominian> postfix pulls dns from resolv.conf
[17:30:54] <lawnchair> sheesh
[17:31:11] <lawnchair> lc0035234, i feel like you should probably inform your employer you are not qualified for the position
[17:33:34] <lc0035234> I told him that, he replied.. ask in postfix room
[17:34:29] <Dominian> uhh yeah
[17:34:32] <Dominian> We are volunteers
[17:34:43] <Dominian> You can tell your boss the instant he pays us.. we'll do your job for you ;)
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[17:36:44] <seekwill> Dominian: What? You volunteer here? You're not getting paid???
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[17:36:51] <Dominian> seekwill: shit
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[17:39:09] <seekwill> !help
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[17:44:00] <Dominian> !basic
[17:44:02] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[18:55:54] <jelly> Hi, I have a couple mails in queue for a now dead mail server.  I've created a transport to point the new messages to its new IP.  How can I make messages already in queue, like this one, http://rafb.net/p/WgrPFN36.html, be routed to the replacement IP address?
[18:56:34] <Dominian> postsuper
[18:56:39] <Dominian> look at the -r option
[18:59:22] <jelly> ah.  I thought it'd need additional persuasion to use the fixed route.
[18:59:59] <jelly> even a postqueue -s domainname did the trick
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[19:10:45] <tcpsyn> I really need some help with my postfix setup. I'm getting to the point of violence now.
[19:10:54] <Cody> >
[19:10:55] <Cody> ?
[19:11:30] <tcpsyn> I've got a local mailserver that holds a bunch of aliases, and if it doesn't have a local account or an alias on that box, it relays to my relay host.
[19:11:53] <Cody> k
[19:12:09] <tcpsyn> which works kinda. I can send mail to me@myhost@myrelay and a recipient map will rewrite that as me@mydomain
[19:12:44] <tcpsyn> but, if I send a message to a distribution list on my local mailserver
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[19:12:47] <Cody> err. do you mean me@mydomain
[19:12:50] <Cody> err.
[19:12:54] <Cody> me@myhost
[19:12:58] <tcpsyn> no.
[19:13:00] <tcpsyn> me@mydomain
[19:13:12] <Cody> ok
[19:13:39] <tcpsyn> MyServer = local mailserver. MyRelay = my relay, MyClient= any client.
[19:14:08] <tcpsyn> so. from MyClient I send to MyDistributionList@MyServer
[19:14:45] <tcpsyn> that should check /etc/aliases and relay the mail to MyRelay if it needs to.
[19:15:22] <tcpsyn> also from my client I need to accept mail to me@MyServer, me@myServer@MyRelay, and me@myDomain
[19:15:43] <tcpsyn> and I've had various sucess with some of the requirements, but never all at once.
[19:17:09] <tcpsyn> rxadmin postfix/smtp[387]: 1105F64702: to=<pimDailyRpt at cvs dot com>, orig_to=<pimDailyRpt>, relay=cvsmail.cvs.com[10.6.1.102], delay=0, status=sent
[19:17:25] <tcpsyn> see... I don't want this relay to pimDailyRpt at cvs dot com
[19:17:44] <tcpsyn> I want it to relay to the addresses in the /etc/aliases file for pimDailyRpt
[19:17:55] <tcpsyn> because pimDailyRpt at cvs dot com is an address that doesn't exist
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[19:20:17] <tcpsyn> any tips before I kill my family?
[19:21:39] <Cody> ok, gotcha
[19:22:47] <Cody> I'm confused as to why you need this crazy scheme
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[19:23:13] <tcpsyn> Years of everyone doing stuff the way they knew how.
[19:23:51] <Cody> i dunno then, that's beyond me
[19:23:53] <tcpsyn> I understand it's ridiculous, but there are many highly automated processes that send mail in different ways to this box.
[19:24:27] <Cody> i dunno
[19:24:31] <tcpsyn> asside of me@myServer@myRelay, i wouldn't think it difficult, I just don't know what it's called.
[19:24:51] <Cody> well, right, but why not just let the server make the decision to relay
[19:25:05] <tcpsyn> ok ;)
[19:25:06] <tcpsyn> how
[19:25:21] <tcpsyn> oh, you mean me@myServer@myRelay?
[19:26:13] <Cody> no, i mean, postfix will automatically accept an email from either an authenticated user or trusted network user, and if it's not local relay it
[19:26:24] <tcpsyn> yea
[19:26:25] <tcpsyn> I know
[19:26:48] <Cody> so what's the advantage of this me@myServer@myRelay scheme?
[19:26:56] <tcpsyn> there isn't one.
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[19:27:04] <tcpsyn> 15 years ago someone set up some scripts like that
[19:27:10] <tcpsyn> and instead of fixing them
[19:27:19] <tcpsyn> we want to just make them work.
[19:27:23] <tcpsyn> I agree, it's absurd.
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[19:27:35] <tcpsyn> Just too large of a scale to go searching for needles.
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[19:28:03] <Cody> gotcha, well... i'm just not sure if there's a good way to address that
[19:28:19] <tcpsyn> well lets forget me@myServer@myRelay
[19:28:34] <tcpsyn> I'm rewriting me@myserver to me at mydomain dot com
[19:28:42] <tcpsyn> should I be?
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[19:29:19] <tcpsyn> Nov 13 12:45:01 rxadmin postfix/smtp[23224]: CFE4064702: to=<Sandra at cvs dot com>, orig_to=<Sandra>, relay=cvsmail.cvs.com[10.6.1.102], delay=0, status=sent (250 2.6.0  <20081113174501.CFE4064702 at rxadmin dot rxstores.cvs.com> Queued mail for delivery)
[19:29:27] <tcpsyn> Sandra is a mailing list
[19:29:31] <tcpsyn> I don't want it to be sandra at cvs dot com
[19:29:41] <tcpsyn> I want it to be the addresses in /etc/aliases
[19:29:46] <tcpsyn> what am I doing wrong?
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[19:36:44] <mrhavi> seekwill you there
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[19:37:35] <mrhavi> just wondering why my email with hotmail gets filed under junk when every other mailer works just fine?
[19:37:43] <MDVz0r> is it possible store incoming mail as usual and relay it to an other server at the same time?
[19:39:17] <seekwill> mrhavi: postmaster.hotmail.com
[19:39:30] <seekwill> mrhavi: You just have to build up your reputation
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[19:42:36] <seekwill> mrhavi: Stop sending spam! :P
[19:44:55] <tcpsyn> any ideas why postfix seems to be completely ignoring my /etc/aliases file?
[19:45:22] <mrhavi> really
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[19:45:47] <tcpsyn> really
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[19:46:58] <mcepl> tcpsyn: postconf alias_database ??
[19:47:17] <tcpsyn> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
[19:47:46] <tcpsyn> rxadmin# cat /etc/aliases | grep lamacneil
[19:47:46] <tcpsyn> lamacneil: tcpsyn at gmail dot com
[19:48:07] <tcpsyn> Nov 13 13:44:40 rxadmin postfix/smtp[28878]: AC4E964703: to=<lamacneil at cvs dot com>, orig_to=<lamacneil>, relay=cvsmail.cvs.com[10.6.1.102], delay=0, status=sent
[19:49:45] <tcpsyn> no love?
[19:50:25] <tcpsyn> it's going to lamacneil@$mydomain
[19:50:41] <tcpsyn> if I change $mydomain in main.cf it'll go to whatever I change it to
[19:52:59] <seekwill> mrhavi: Deal with it until they trust you. Are you on the T3 IPs yet? Do you have your PTRs in place? Do you subscribe to deliverability blogs/news?
[19:53:01] <mrhavi> seekwill
[19:53:07] <seekwill> mrhavi:
[19:53:08] <mrhavi> yes
[19:53:11] <seekwill> no
[19:53:16] <mrhavi> hahah
[19:53:48] <mrhavi> your talking about forward and reverse lookups?
[19:54:34] <seekwill> I will let Google answer that question for you
[19:54:39] <mrhavi> gah!
[19:54:41] <mrhavi> hahah
[19:54:42] <mrhavi> ok
[19:55:08] <mrhavi> i wish there was someone at postmaster.hotmail.com i could just call
[19:55:27] <tcpsyn> ohh. I fixed it.
[19:55:45] <mrhavi> "uhh yea.. i have 3g cash for you guys if my stuff dosent go to hotmail junk
[19:56:05] <seekwill> mrhavi: www.wordtothewise.com
[19:56:53] <mrhavi> OMG that is amazing
[19:57:00] <mrhavi> ask and i shall recieve
[19:57:02] <seekwill> THIS is why you outsource...
[19:57:10] <mrhavi> no no no
[19:57:12] <mrhavi> stop that
[19:57:13] <seekwill> ...
[19:57:36] <mrhavi> i want to do everything on my own... even if i fail
[19:58:30] <seekwill> You can work with the consultants on your own
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[19:58:45] <seekwill> There are better things to do in life :)
[19:58:55] <mrhavi> i know.. im doing them
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[19:59:18] <seekwill> I would highly recommend wttw...
[19:59:22] <seekwill> Lots of happy customers
[19:59:46] <mrhavi> but I have some so far.. almost 1 month ago i had never touched a linux machine. now almost everthing is working
[20:00:10] <seekwill> heh
[20:00:11] <mrhavi> and it didnt cost 25,000 like our exchange setup
[20:00:26] <seekwill> Exchange does  lot of other things that you probably haven't implemented yet
[20:00:44] <seekwill> And in actuallity, there is very little competition for Exchange
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[20:00:53] <seekwill> If you're actually using Exchange... that is
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[20:01:23] <nextgens> hi
[20:01:27] <seekwill> bye
[20:02:01] <nextgens> I'd like to discard all emails for a given username... regardless of which domain it is for
[20:02:03] * hparker thwaps seekwill... smartass day isn't till tomorrow
[20:02:30] <nextgens> I've tried with virtual_maps
[20:02:36] <seekwill> oh
[20:02:40] <nextgens> but that doesn't work because that's per-domain
[20:02:41] <seekwill> :(
[20:02:46] <nextgens> is there any other solution?
[20:03:13] <tcpsyn> you could alias them to something non-existant
[20:03:18] <tcpsyn> ?
[20:03:25] <hparker> nextgens: Sure, don't accept mail for nonexistant users
[20:03:38] <nextgens> hparker> I don't want it to bounce
[20:03:47] <nextgens> that's the point
[20:04:00] <hparker> Uhm... That will cause it to reject, not bounce
[20:04:08] <nextgens> sure
[20:04:25] <nextgens> but the mailerdaemon upstream will bounce the email back
[20:04:27] <hparker> Don't accept mail you're not going to deliver
[20:04:30] <nextgens> and that's my concern
[20:04:34] <hparker> why?
[20:04:45] <nextgens> because the from address has been forged
[20:04:51] <seekwill> heh
[20:05:02] <hparker> If I typo an email to you and you accept it and discard it, neither of us know what happened to it
[20:05:11] <hparker> !backscatter
[20:05:12] <knoba> hparker: "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[20:05:13] <nextgens> heh I'm not the one actually sending those emails :)
[20:05:24] <hparker> nextgens: I think that's what you're after
[20:05:50] <seekwill> I don't think he understands bounces
[20:06:00] <hparker> there is that option
[20:06:39] <nextgens> hmm
[20:06:52] <nextgens> let me reformulate
[20:07:03] <seekwill> How about explain the problem you are facing
[20:07:08] <nextgens> right
[20:07:13] <seekwill> And we can help you come up with the appropriate soution
[20:07:22] * pickcoder would take weeks to explain the problems he faces
[20:07:28] <nextgens> I have a complex email setup... and I don't own all of the infrastructure
[20:07:44] <nextgens> basically they are two MX servers on the public dns views
[20:07:51] <seekwill> That would be something you should figure out first.
[20:08:06] <nextgens> those accept any email for wmin.ac.uk
[20:08:07] <hparker> pickcoder: we don't give psych help here, sorry
[20:08:20] <hparker> That's the first problem...
[20:08:30] <nextgens> then they get redirected to my server...
[20:08:33] <nextgens> hparker> can't change that
[20:08:42] <hparker> you need to do recipient validation at the border
[20:08:45] <hparker> Sure you can
[20:08:50] <pickcoder> hparker: I didn't even consider that aspect in my statement
[20:08:57] <seekwill> nextgens: Passive-aggressive!
[20:08:58] <hparker> pickcoder: ;)
[20:09:09] <seekwill> nextgens: Refuse to drink energy drinks until they resolve!
[20:09:10] <nextgens> hparker> that's an organizationnal problem: not a technical one
[20:09:18] <seekwill> Explain?
[20:09:28] <hparker> No,  that's a technical one that needs resolved
[20:09:38] <hparker> That is the root of this problem
[20:09:39] <nextgens> like in I'm not in charge of the border SMTPs
[20:09:54] <hparker> So, buy them a 6 pack to work with ya
[20:09:56] <nextgens> and they don't/won't want to query our servers using VRFY
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[20:10:02] <pickcoder> they don't need to
[20:10:11] <nextgens> hmm
[20:10:22] <hparker> Right, query with recipient validation... VRFY should be turned off :P
[20:10:29] <pickcoder> there are a variety of virtual user/host querying options
[20:10:47] <nextgens> sure
[20:10:49] <pickcoder> depending on what they're running
[20:10:50] <hparker> Depends on what software the border servers run
[20:10:54] <seekwill> nextgens: Solving these kinds of root issues fixes a lot of other things, maybe that you're unaware of
[20:10:57] <nextgens> sendmail
[20:11:09] <nextgens> seekwill> sure
[20:11:10] <hparker> No clue on sendmail, but I'm sure there's a way
[20:11:19] <nextgens> sure
[20:11:28] <hparker> I had to give up sendmail years ago, sendmail.cf made my eyes bleed
[20:11:33] <nextgens> the problem is once again political
[20:11:42] <nextgens> I have no control over those servers
[20:11:43] <hparker> No, it's a 6 pack away
[20:11:47] <pickcoder> nextgens: if you are responsible for a domain then you should have access to a valid list of recipients
[20:11:53] <seekwill> Or one good bottle
[20:12:01] <hparker> Then accept then bounce, get listed, tell them to fix their shit :P
[20:12:10] <hparker> I'm easy ;)
[20:12:13] <nextgens> pickcoder> I don't have access to the NS records of the domain if that's the question
[20:12:18] <seekwill> Or just send all bounces to their email address
[20:12:19] <pickcoder> no
[20:12:22] <pickcoder> the real user list
[20:12:34] * hparker lols at seekwill... that would work :P
[20:12:39] <nextgens> hmm
[20:12:39] <pickcoder> bounce all the bogus crap back to postmaster@theborderdomain
[20:12:44] <nextgens> they are way too many
[20:12:46] <pickcoder> they'll get sick of getting it
[20:12:52] <hparker> Then they'll get the picture
[20:12:54] <nextgens> that's what we do right now
[20:13:07] <pickcoder> so where's the problem
[20:13:08] <nextgens> and that's what I'm supposed to fix by discarding it
[20:13:29] <hparker> If they're bitching because you're forwarding all the bad mail to them, tell them to fix it
[20:13:39] <nextgens> already done so
[20:13:49] <hparker> Then it's their problem imo
[20:13:54] <nextgens> agreed
[20:14:02] <nextgens> but I'm still the one in charge of addressing it
[20:14:10] <hparker> Ok, go get yourself a bottle for solving the problem so quickly
[20:14:13] <seekwill> No you aren't, because you said you don't have the authority
[20:14:15] <nextgens> hence I need to find a workaround on how to do it
[20:14:23] <hparker> Ok, if you're in charge, tell them to fic it
[20:14:36] <hparker> There is no safe workaround... Typo'
[20:14:39] * pickcoder is confused
[20:14:48] <hparker> d email addresses will cause mail to disappear
[20:14:53] <seekwill> nextgens: Can you explain why they won't change it? Can you describe the system?
[20:15:08] <nextgens> we have something like 50+ subdomains
[20:15:13] <pickcoder> it sounds like an ISP blind gateway
[20:15:20] <nextgens> and none of them are administrated by the same teams
[20:15:23] <seekwill> hmm
[20:15:26] <nextgens> no common authentication scheme
[20:15:32] * hparker smells a clusterfuck
[20:15:36] <seekwill> ewww
[20:15:36] <nextgens> yeah
[20:15:40] <seekwill> I can smell it from here too
[20:15:42] <nextgens> that's it
[20:15:56] <nextgens> I'm one of the administrators of the subdomains
[20:16:02] <pickcoder> LDAP/NIS
[20:16:08] <nextgens> not much I can do from here except dropping the emails
[20:16:19] <seekwill> No, I would keep pushing back to them
[20:16:22] <nextgens> pickcoder> on my own domain I've already 2 LDAPs
[20:16:34] <pickcoder> like hparker said, though, you will be dropping real e-mail that should be bounced
[20:16:37] <nextgens> if only we had one single tree
[20:16:38] * cpm pushes hparker into the cluster
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[20:17:04] <nextgens> I have one user I can safely do it for
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[20:17:15] <nextgens> it's automated email
[20:17:21] <nextgens> and there is no one replying on it
[20:17:34] <nextgens> so there is very little interrest in rejecting/bouncing/whatever
[20:17:37] <hparker> geee... Thanks cpm
[20:17:39] <nextgens> I just want to discard it
[20:17:56] <nextgens> and possibly for all domains, not only those I've declared as my destinations
[20:18:02] * cpm bows to hparker
[20:18:06] <pickcoder> check_recipient_access
[20:18:18] <pickcoder> user@host DISCARD
[20:18:20] <hparker> nextgens: If it's automated, stop the automation
[20:18:53] <nextgens> hparker> I could if I was the one in charge of that stupid server :)
[20:19:07] * hparker hands nextgens a copy of iptables
[20:19:10] <nextgens> I can't even blacklist it because it goes through a relay
[20:19:16] <hparker> oh
[20:19:26] <nextgens> yeah, complex internal architecture too
[20:20:23] * hparker thinks nextgens need sto sit down with the HMFIC of everything and maybe some of the others admin'ing other portions and get this all squared away
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[20:20:46] <nextgens> hparker> what is the default action of access?
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[20:21:07] <hparker> hrmm... not sure what your asking there
[20:21:16] <nextgens> can I specify check_recipient_access = regexp:/file
[20:21:20] <nextgens> with :
[20:21:23] <hparker> access tables can be used to allow or deny
[20:21:51] <nextgens> /^pgportal@.*$/ DISCARD
[20:21:58] <nextgens> is that enough?
[20:21:59] <pickcoder> Found no ck804xrom
[20:22:02] <pickcoder> hrm
[20:22:09] <pickcoder> I don't suppose that's a good error from dmesg
[20:22:11] <hparker> There goes that password
[20:22:15] <nextgens> or do I need a OK/DUNNO/Whatever?
[20:22:45] <pickcoder> DISCARD is an action
[20:22:47] <pickcoder> that's all you need
[20:22:50] <hparker> DISCSRD should discard it... But, if I were going it I think I'd do it in a header_check so it checks all the mail
[20:23:22] <nextgens> the problem with header_check is that the mail gets rejected before end
[20:23:28] <nextgens> right after the rcpt to
[20:23:40] * nextgens tried that already
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[20:24:37] <hparker> I've never setup postfix as a gateway to others, so not sure how the access tables work there
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[20:31:59] <nextgens> hmm
[20:32:09] <nextgens> that doesn't work either :s
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[20:33:13] <pickcoder> I normally make it a hash and specify user@
[20:33:18] <pickcoder> user@ DISCARD
[20:33:23] <nextgens> dutr
[20:33:25] <nextgens> sure
[20:33:31] <nextgens> but then all my emails are accepted
[20:33:36] <nextgens> it's openrelaying
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[20:33:51] <pickcoder> huh?
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[20:36:09] <nextgens> there is something messed up in my config
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[20:41:20] <roe_> I'm looking for a good log aggregator
[20:41:43] <roe_> something that will store envelope data over time
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[20:43:33] <roe_> as well as status codes
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[20:45:20] <nextgens> doh
[20:45:20] <pickcoder> I've not seen one. I wrote a bounce logger using Perl.
[20:45:26] <nextgens> I'm in permit-networks here
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[20:47:45] <nextgens> pickcoder> the check_recipient_access directive isn't used
[20:47:49] <arthabaska> hi all, a developer in my team is writing some mailing list code and wants to test it against a live list of customers, but wants those messages to be redirected to an address we control. I'm thinking we have to options: redirect based on sender address, or using canonical rewriting of the rcpt addr with a regex (say we add DONOTSEND_customer at domain dot com and match that). I would like to not do the munging..is the other option possible?
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[20:48:05] <nextgens> because I'm in the mynetworks from here
[20:48:28] <nextgens> do you know which parameters control the "test" order?
[20:48:42] <pickcoder> order of entry under smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[20:49:22] <nextgens> hmm
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[20:49:33] <nextgens> but if I change that it will have side effects
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[20:50:47] <pickcoder> put after your relaying control
[20:50:59] <pickcoder> then it will be discarded before any other checks are done
[20:51:25] <nextgens> relaying control?
[20:51:32] <pickcoder> permit_mynetworks
[20:51:36] <pickcoder> permit_sasl_authenticated
[20:51:36] <pickcoder> etc
[20:52:01] <pickcoder> you should probably put it after the reject_ set too
[20:52:09] <pickcoder> if you have reject_unknown_...
[20:52:11] <nextgens> pickcoder> the problem is that those emails are sent from mynetworks
[20:52:23] <pickcoder> huh?
[20:52:29] <pickcoder> I thought they were incoming e-mail
[20:52:34] <nextgens> they are
[20:52:43] <pickcoder> uh ...ok
[20:52:48] <nextgens> but still, those come from an internal network
[20:52:57] <pickcoder> then you need to fix your mynetworks
[20:52:57] <nextgens> and I'm supposed to relay some emails from there
[20:53:10] <pickcoder> or have the border drop invalid mail
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[20:54:14] <nextgens> isn't there some kind of override?
[20:54:20] <nextgens> like an optional lookup table
[20:54:23] <pickcoder> I have no idea what your setup is
[20:54:30] <pickcoder> it sounds like a huge mess though
[20:54:38] <nextgens> I could put before the permit_mynetworks
[20:54:45] <nextgens> it's a huge mess
[20:54:51] <pickcoder> only if it's incoming e-mail
[20:54:57] <pickcoder> and you want to always discard user@
[20:55:17] <nextgens> that's the case
[20:55:35] <nextgens> it's incoming but from mynetworks :p
[20:57:24] <nextgens> I think I'll end up discarding the bounce message with some header_checks
[20:57:39] <nextgens> might be simpler than discarding the email at the source :/
[20:58:54] <javamonger> Q: Can you auth against postfix with an ssh key?
[20:58:54] <nextgens> thanks for your help anyway pickcoder and hparker :)
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[21:22:49] <cpm> anyone else seen a radical drop in spam in the last day?
[21:23:10] <UQlev> hi anybody had simillar problem yet with sasl authentication? http://rafb.net/p/Wariox67.html
[21:23:17] <growltiger> they shut mccolo.com down
[21:23:25] <growltiger> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/12/1253230
[21:23:27] <UQlev> cpm: yes it is
[21:24:29] <cpm> UQlev, yeah, supposedly a big spam shop got shut down yesterday.
[21:24:52] <cpm> I've certainly noticed, I figured something was terribly wrong.
[21:25:08] <UQlev> cpm: I read they closed ISP for this reason in USA
[21:25:54] <cpm> Thought for certain something was very wrong. Spam levels dropped off precipitously here yesterday at about 1600hrs.
[21:28:06] <UQlev> cpm: do you use sasl? what mech?
[21:28:39] <cpm> UQlev, I use courier's authlib with sasl
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[21:30:10] <UQlev> cpm: what base is in use?
[21:34:46] * pickcoder doesn't a difference in rejections
[21:35:00] <pickcoder> ~see a
[21:40:42] * pickcoder is about to strangle a 2844 printer in the warehouse
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[21:40:57] <InvaderZim> what is this place
[21:41:54] <vice-versa> oz
[21:42:19] <InvaderZim> honey bomb
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[22:56:02] <rimad> what parameter controls submission rate? right now i can send two emails in 60 seconds...
[22:58:24] <pickcoder> rimad: default_process_limit sets the global max # of processes
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[23:00:01] <pickcoder> retries are another story
[23:00:07] <pickcoder> as is concurrency by destination
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[23:00:52] <rimad> well, how do i make it so i can submit more than 2 emails in 60 seconds...is all i wanna know
[23:00:52] <rimad> ;)
[23:01:00] <pickcoder> it depends on the e-mails
[23:01:03] <pickcoder> is what I'm saying
[23:01:20] <pickcoder> are they getting greylisted?
[23:02:05] <pickcoder> do you have a reliable DNS service?
[23:02:10] <rimad> what does that matter?
[23:02:10] <pickcoder> is it instant to respond?
[23:02:18] <pickcoder> MX lookups
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[23:02:44] <rimad> I cant send more than 2 emails in 60 seconds using my SMTP, my SMTP (postfix) wont accept it...
[23:02:56] <pickcoder> pastebin your main.cf and master.cf contents
[23:03:12] <pickcoder> actually.. don't do main.cf
[23:03:18] <pickcoder> post postconf -n instead
[23:04:12] <rimad> http://pastebin.com/m3ba955fe
[23:04:19] <pickcoder> sounds to me like a client look up problem
[23:05:33] <rimad> also perl's Net::SMTP module has problems authenticating....while everything else works fine :/
[23:06:16] <pickcoder> all I can suggest is turning up verbosity in master.cf for smtpd
[23:06:17] <rimad> see, i get this: Nov 13 14:04:56 cylon postfix/anvil[6930]: statistics: max connection rate 2/60s for (submission:77.105.28.28) at Nov 13 14:01:34
[23:06:27] <pickcoder> hm
[23:06:49] <MDVz0r> is it possible store incoming mail as usual and relay these mails to an other server at the same time?
[23:08:41] <pickcoder> rimad: do you have a submission profile setup in master.cf?
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[23:09:53] <rimad> yes
[23:10:03] <pickcoder> rimad: is smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit set
[23:10:43] <rimad> no
[23:10:57] <pickcoder> how about "postconf smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit"
[23:11:48] <rimad> smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit = 0
[23:11:54] <pickcoder> wierd
[23:11:56] <pickcoder> I'm missing something
[23:12:06] <pickcoder> is the connection rate limit set anywhere in master.cf?
[23:12:41] <pickcoder> it's set to 2 somewhere
[23:12:49] <pickcoder> the default is disabled
[23:12:51] <rimad> nope, nowhere...cant find that paramter name there
[23:12:52] <pickcoder> or zero
[23:13:01] <pickcoder> but you're hitting 2
[23:14:09] <pickcoder> there's also smtpd_client_new_tls_session_rate_limit but the error says submission is reporting the rate limit
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[23:14:34] <dustybin> on my home postfix server, at the moment it recieves mail from 1 domain, ie. dustybin at homebox dot net   if i wanted my postfix server to also recieve mail from another domain, ie dustybin at bigbox dot com  would one need to setup a virtual domain?
[23:14:54] <pickcoder> dustybin: no.. just add it to mydestinations
[23:15:07] <pickcoder> unless you are currently using all virtuals
[23:15:19] <dustybin> pickcoder: i would like that extra domain to have its own mail box
[23:15:30] <pickcoder> then yes it needs to be virtual
[23:15:37] <rimad> i dont use tls...
[23:15:53] <dustybin> pickcoder: aye ok, ill have to figure out how to do it
[23:16:02] <pickcoder> rimad: I'm clueless.. you're hitting a rate limit that supposedly isn't configured
[23:16:27] <pickcoder> restart postfix to make sure it's not a left-over config
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[23:18:58] <dustybin> pickcoder: i will start off by adding this to main.cf
[23:19:04] <dustybin> virtual_mailbox_domains = mybox.com
[23:19:39] <pickcoder> !virtual
[23:19:39] <knoba> pickcoder: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[23:19:47] <pickcoder> best starting place ^^^
[23:20:01] <dustybin> thanks :)
[23:20:03] <pickcoder> for your setup it's straight-forward
[23:20:19] <dustybin> not for a dim wit like me :P
[23:23:25] <dustybin> virtual_mailbox_base = /var/mail/vhosts
[23:23:33] <rimad> How many emails i can specify in BBC?
[23:23:40] <rimad> or BCC, sorry
[23:24:05] <dustybin> ^^ i would like the extra domain to store its email in 1 of my users home dirs
[23:24:29] <dustybin> virtual_mailbox_base = /home/userx/Maildir   <--- would that be suitable?
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[23:28:32] <suprsonic> anyone using altermime with postfix?
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[23:31:45] <suprsonic> oddest thing... whenever a barracuda receives an email that was appended by altermime it drops it.
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[23:40:40] <psypointerV6> hi
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[23:42:24] <psypointerV6> i'm running a mailserver using postfix and spamassassin. the spamassassin is configured in the master.cf. now i want to use procmail for filtering mailing list mails and so on. do i have to remove the spamassassin from the master.cf and replace it through procmail which calls spamassassin? or are both of them (spamassassin and procmail) configured in the master.cf?
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[23:43:57] <suprsonic> create a recipient policy to filter out the mailing list email addresses
[23:44:40] <psypointerV6> my question was not how to configure procmail..
[23:44:59] <psypointerV6> i just want to know how to activate procmail with an existing spamassassing
[23:45:03] <psypointerV6> spamassassin
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