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[00:19:42] <JuiceMonkey> I just `kill`ed my postfix server because it wouldn't shut down..  Now when I try to start it back up I get "the Postfix mail system is already running"
[00:20:00] <JuiceMonkey> What can I do to get postfix to start up again?  There are no postfix processes running.
[00:20:09] <adaptr> remove the lock file and the pid file(s)
[00:20:21] <JuiceMonkey> Where would those be located?
[00:20:28] <adaptr> in /var/run
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[00:20:58] <adaptr> or use your distro's service management tools to restart, that will clean them up
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[00:22:00] <JuiceMonkey> I compiled and installed postfix myself..  I don't think the distro tools are setup.
[00:22:14] <JuiceMonkey> I don't see anything relating to postfix in /var/run
[00:22:46] <adaptr> which distro
[00:22:56] <JuiceMonkey> Fedora 8
[00:23:08] <adaptr> why not use the RPM ?
[00:23:47] <JuiceMonkey> Too late for that now.
[00:24:00] <adaptr> of course not'
[00:24:15] <adaptr> make uninstall && yum postfix
[00:24:26] <JuiceMonkey> My mail server is down.  I don't have time to fiddle about.
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[00:25:36] <JuiceMonkey> Is the only lock file named master.pid?
[00:26:36] <adaptr> that's the important one, yes
[00:27:44] <rob0> "man postfix"
[00:28:23] <rob0> how/why did you kill it? Don't mess around if you don't know what you're doing.
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[00:29:04] <JuiceMonkey> It's not normally a problem.. I've restarted postfix dozens of times before without incident..
[00:29:32] <JuiceMonkey> my master.pid is at /var/spool/postfix/pid/master.pid
[00:29:52] <JuiceMonkey> I renamed master.pid to master.pid.bak and tried to issue 'postfix start'
[00:30:06] <JuiceMonkey> Now it's telling me that /etc/postfix/master.cf is missing, but it's there..
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[00:34:31] <JuiceMonkey> So why would it tell me /etc/postfix/master.cf is missing when I can see it's there?
[00:35:20] <lunaphyte> !chroot
[00:35:21] <knoba> lunaphyte: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[00:38:20] <JuiceMonkey> All of my master.cf lines are chroot=n
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[00:42:40] <JuiceMonkey> I put the master.pid back and did a `postfix stop` and then a `postfix start` but it still tells me that it's already running.
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[00:42:53] <JuiceMonkey> I tried `postfix abort` as well, but no luck.
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[00:44:41] <brd> are any processes hanging around owned by the user postfix runs as?
[00:45:07] <JuiceMonkey> Nope.. I even rebooted the system, but no luck.
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[00:46:05] <JuiceMonkey> So if I remove master.pid it tells me that I'm missing /etc/postfix/master.cf (but I'm not) and if I keep master.pid in place it tells me that postfix is already running.
[00:47:19] <JuiceMonkey> This mail server has been running for 6 months without a problem until today.
[00:47:30] <sebastiandeutsch> I configured my postfix to work with mysql. My virtual mailbox are working fine but my aliases dont work. The email is rejected: "User unknown in virtual mailbox table". When I test my skript with "postmap -v -q hostmaster mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_aliases_maps.cf" it returns one row with the correct mailbox - but the account is still unkown.
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[00:52:34] <JuiceMonkey> Why would postfix not be able to find my /etc/postfix/master.cf?  It's clearly right there..
[00:53:07] <brd> strace or something similar
[00:53:47] <rob0> Seb, for one thing you seem to be confusing virtual aliases with virtual mailboxes.
[00:53:53] <rob0> !virtual
[00:53:53] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[00:54:36] <rob0> For another, the lookups in BOTH of those tables would be user@domain, not just user.
[00:55:08] <JuiceMonkey> `strace postfix start`, it doesn't even try to access master.cf
[00:55:49] <deface> JuiceMonkey: permissions ?
[00:55:56] <JuiceMonkey> Maybe it's because it's setting up a daemon process?  Is there a command I should be running to directly strace postfix?
[00:56:00] <brd> right, postfix start won't.. but the other commands will
[00:56:13] <brd> look at the debug stuff in main.cf
[00:56:24] <higuita> strace -fefile postfix start
[00:56:42] <deface> JuiceMonkey: what distro? any zap options ?
[00:56:52] <higuita> also try the postfix check and postconf
[00:57:13] <JuiceMonkey> Fedora 8
[00:57:16] <JuiceMonkey> What's a zap?
[00:57:37] <deface> i use gentoo, and we've got an init option called zap
[00:57:46] <deface> marks daemon as dead
[00:57:47] <JuiceMonkey> postconf doesn't report any errors
[00:58:49] <higuita> JuiceMonkey: postconf config_directory
[00:59:19] <higuita> it will tell you where is looking for the config files (main.cf and master.cf)
[00:59:34] <JuiceMonkey> postconf: warning: /etc/postfix: unknown parameter
[00:59:46] <JuiceMonkey> config_directory = /etc/postfix
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[01:00:56] <deface>  postconf | grep config_directory
[01:02:10] <JuiceMonkey> config_directory = /etc/postfix
[01:02:13] <sebastiandeutsch> rob0: i see probably I have to fix my query. Is there a list of available parameters for mysql-aliases or do i simply take %u and %d instead of %s.
[01:02:38] <rob0> see MYSQL_README
[01:02:52] <deface> JuiceMonkey: so check permissions
[01:03:03] <deface> reboot the server, itll fix it, since you don't know how to use your distro's init scripts
[01:03:27] <JuiceMonkey> all the files in /etc/postfix are owned by root and world readable..
[01:03:54] <JuiceMonkey> I've already tried rebooting the server..  Didn't work.
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[01:14:15] <sebastiandeutsch> so single forward works ;-) thanks everyone MYSQL_README helped... now multiple forwards
[01:18:40] <JuiceMonkey> When I run `postsuper -sv` I get: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer/5: Permission denied
[01:19:14] <JuiceMonkey> So I looked up /var/spool/postfix/defer/5 and the directory is owned by postfix.
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[01:21:01] <sebastiandeutsch> how could I realize remote forwarding? with the relocating map?
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[01:35:43] <JuiceMonkey> I'm running `strace postsuper -sv` and it's able to open 'defer' directory, but not 'defer/5' directory.  Permissions seem ok, I don't get it.
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[01:55:35] <JuiceMonkey> If I strace the `master` process, it gets "Permission denied" on /etc/postfix/master.cf
[01:55:52] <JuiceMonkey> But the permissions are fine as far as I can tell.
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[01:56:23] <JuiceMonkey> What am I missing here?  Why wouldn't `master` be able to access /etc/postfix/master.cf?
[02:01:51] <sebastiandeutsch> I tried to forward to an external email address when i test with "postmap -v -q hostmaster at picturepeople dot de mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_aliases_maps.cf" it gives me both destinations. the internal will be delivered perfectly but the external gets lost in nirvana. any place to look for errors?
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[02:17:31] <JuiceMonkey> I moved my master.cf to master.bak and then copied it to master.cf again and now the `master` process can read it.  I don't get it.  The permissions are exactly the same.
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[02:24:44] <lunaphyte> what does diff say?
[02:24:59] <JuiceMonkey> It's the same file. Just a copy.
[02:25:20] <lunaphyte> that sounds like odd output for diff.
[02:25:43] <lunaphyte> anyway, are you uing selinux?
[02:25:46] <lunaphyte> *using
[02:26:00] <JuiceMonkey> diff produces no output
[02:26:18] <JuiceMonkey> I think so
[02:26:26] <lunaphyte> !think
[02:26:27] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "think" is not a valid command.
[02:26:29] <lunaphyte> darn
[02:27:59] <JuiceMonkey> Disabling selinux seems to have gotten me somewhere.
[02:30:40] <lunaphyte> compare the sec contexts between the two files with ls -AlhZ
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[02:32:10] <JuiceMonkey> The file it can't read is "root:object_r:user_home_t", the file it can is "root:object_r:postfix_etc_t"
[02:32:24] <lunaphyte> or ls -Alh --lcontext - that might be a bit more readable.
[02:32:28] <lunaphyte> there you go.
[02:33:25] <lunaphyte> selinux: silently confounding users since 2003 :)
[02:33:37] <brd> I hate selinux :)
[02:34:01] <JuiceMonkey> But now that I have selinux turned off, that doesn't seem to be the issue any longer.  It's starting up, but complaining about "unsupported dictionary type: mysql"
[02:34:16] <lunaphyte> postconf -m
[02:34:52] <JuiceMonkey> Doesn't look like mysql is in the list.  But the config worked before.  Hmmmm.
[02:35:04] <lunaphyte> what os?
[02:35:10] <JuiceMonkey> fedora 8
[02:35:20] <sahil> liar.
[02:35:42] <lunaphyte> there's probably some yup or rpm package you can install to add mysql support, as with most distros.
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[02:51:44] <growltiger> is this centos?
[02:51:54] <growltiger> if so, you have to get the postfix from centosplus
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[03:57:50] <cite> Good morning.
[03:58:14] <growltiger> hi!
[03:58:14] <growltiger> wb
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[04:49:00] <pamchi> hello
[04:51:01] <growltiger> hi!
[04:51:02] <growltiger> wb
[04:56:32] <Supaplex> hey there growltiger :)
[05:00:21] <pamchi> hello
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[06:55:50] <linguini> How does one find out which version of postfix is installed?
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[06:58:21] <f3ew> postconf mail_version
[06:59:32] <linguini> Thanks, that shows 2.1.5 for me; not as new as I thought.
[07:06:06] <sysmonk> lemme guess, debian? :)
[07:09:49] <linguini> Nice try; Mac OS X.
[07:10:04] <linguini> (10.5, upgraded from 10.4).
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[07:14:55] <linguini> Correction - make that 10.4.11
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[08:43:42] <deface> !step-by-ste
[08:43:43] <knoba> deface: Error: "step-by-ste" is not a valid command.
[08:43:44] <deface> !step-by-step
[08:43:45] <knoba> deface: Error: "step-by-step" is not a valid command.
[08:43:47] <deface> hmm
[08:44:05] <deface> !tutorial
[08:44:06] <knoba> deface: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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[10:10:44] <Mosu> has anyone tried (and succeeded) getting dkim-filter to work with postfix on a debian/etch system? i'm using the packages from backports.org and get funny error messages from postfix (will paste to pastebin in a sec)
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[10:12:50] <Mosu> http://rafb.net/p/2smaSu37.html <-- the error message i'm getting
[10:14:01] <Mosu> i've setup postfix + dkim-filter on an ubuntu 8.04 before, and that installation works just fine
[10:16:13] <f3ew> http://www.mail-archive.com/dkim-milter-discuss at lists dot sourceforge.net/msg01159.html perhaps?
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[10:18:26] <Mosu> hmm. i'll try that
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[10:59:57] <Mosu> damn. i had other problems ;) milter_protocol = 2 (the default) was actually OK. but dkim-filter tried to connect to my dns server via tcp, and our firewall is dropping such packets. this caused dkim-filter to timeout after 4 to 5 minutes after startup, and in that time span it wouldn't sign any message, hence the error message
[11:01:10] <f3ew> heh
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[12:07:00] <munga> I'm relocating a mail server. I set up a transport from the old server to the new one to make this transparent to users. However I'd like to send a warning each time the old server is used... how can I do this ?
[12:07:08] <Dreamer3> what should i be looking for to get postfix to send mail that would normally be deliverred locally to "deploy" to an outside address?
[12:07:53] <munga> Dreamer3: an alias ?
[12:08:03] <Dreamer3> munga: ok... which config file am i looking for?
[12:08:06] <Dreamer3> or which man page?
[12:08:11] <munga> /etc/aliases
[12:08:22] <Dreamer3> ah
[12:08:22] <munga> and then newaliases
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[12:09:11] <Dreamer3> sweet
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[12:11:56] <Dreamer3> cool
[12:11:59] <Dreamer3> we'll see if that works :)
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[12:15:55] <Dreamer3> i was looking in /etc/postfix
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[12:34:09] <Zordrak> Can anyone suggest a likely reason why newaliases has stopped using the file specified by the alias_database directive? Never had to think about it before, but has reverted to using /etc/mail/aliases instead of /etc/aliases
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[12:38:28] <Zordrak> oh tits.. I think I know what's happened
[12:38:52] <Zordrak> I think sendmail has overwritten them.. I must have forgotten to exclude sendmail when upgrading slack.. damnnit
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[12:40:55] <Zordrak> If thats the case I've no idea how my mailserver has survived up to now without dying somewhere
[12:41:11] <Zordrak>  guess it must be using all the postfix specific binaries rather than the sendmail compats
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[12:54:41] <egoitz> Hello all!
[12:54:55] <egoitz> is it possible to limit with postfix the max usage of a transport?
[12:55:51] <egoitz> and as far as it seems reading postfix.org it sais smtp_destination_concurrency.... e maximal number of parallel deliveries to the same destination via the smtp message delivery transpor
[12:55:54] <Zordrak> woo for `make upgrade` - sorted me out
[12:56:13] <egoitz> is it possible to say max 20 deliveries to smtp to all servers...???
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[12:57:54] <dustybin> i have setup postfix to receive mail using mail at myhomeserver dot net
[12:58:21] <dustybin> i would also like my postfix to receive mail from another address mail at myotherhomeserver dot net
[12:58:39] <dustybin> mydomain =   <--- would one need to add extra domains here?
[12:58:57] <dustybin> ie mydomain = myhomeserver.net myotherhomeserver.net
[12:59:05] <egoitz> should go mates!
[12:59:10] <egoitz> zenkz a lot!!!!
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[13:12:25] <Mosu> dustybin: no, mydestination is what you'll have to modify
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[14:03:44] <lennard> does anyone have a general opinion on rejecting mail to postmaster from envelope senders that fail verification?
[14:07:21] <sep> lennard, someone with a wrong envelop sender send your postmaster email trying to figure out why his mails don't go thru
[14:07:22] <lunaphyte_> from an rfc perspective, you can't.
[14:07:32] <sep> :)
[14:07:54] <lunaphyte_> mail must be accepted from <>, which is a bit tough to verify.
[14:08:11] <lennard> <> doesn't count, that always succeeds verification
[14:08:21] <lunaphyte_> (or maybe it's easy to verify, depending on how you look at it :) )
[14:09:47] <jsoftw> How would I return True if foo < 1 ?
[14:09:51] <jsoftw> And false otherwise?
[14:10:02] <jsoftw> (on one line)
[14:10:05] <jsoftw> just curious
[14:10:08] <lunaphyte_> as in shell?
[14:10:12] <jsoftw> just curious
[14:10:14] <jsoftw> doh
[14:10:23] <jsoftw> erm, nah just wondering how to do it
[14:10:35] <jsoftw> I thought I could go return foo < 1
[14:10:41] <jsoftw> but that does not work
[14:10:46] <jsoftw> perhaps return (foo < 1)
[14:10:47] <jsoftw> ?
[14:10:59] <lennard> so... not shell
[14:11:08] <lunaphyte_> wiat - huh?  no, not shell?  that all looks like shell to me...
[14:11:10] <lennard> technically, that narrows it down I guess
[14:11:16] <lunaphyte_> *wait, rather.
[14:11:38] <jsoftw> oh wait
[14:11:38] <jsoftw> wtf
[14:11:40] <jsoftw> I am in postfix
[14:11:46] <shasta> no shit? ;)
[14:11:47] <lennard> yes you are
[14:11:48] <jsoftw> lol
[14:11:48] <lunaphyte_> indeed.
[14:11:51] <jsoftw> I thought I was in python
[14:11:56] <jsoftw> :D
[14:12:04] <shasta> no snakes, thxplz
[14:12:17] <jsoftw> :)
[14:12:23] <jsoftw> Fixed it anyway
[14:12:28] <jsoftw> () ftw
[14:12:35] <f3ew> if (foo < 1) { return 1; }  else { return 0 };
[14:12:37] <f3ew> hehe
[14:13:01] <shasta> return (foo < 1);
[14:13:13] <f3ew> that too
[14:14:43] <lunaphyte_> if [[ "${foo}" < 1 ]]; then true; else false; fi
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[14:18:44] <lunaphyte_> if ![[ "${foo}" < 1 ]]; then false; else true; fi
[14:18:46] <lunaphyte_> :p
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[14:29:18] <jsoftw> f3ew: nah
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[14:41:29] <gavi> folks, i installed vhcs and  	POP3-SSL and imap-ssl are both down... what can i do to get them up?
[14:41:59] <lunaphyte_> where does postfix come into play?
[14:42:53] <gavi> lunaphyte, maybe it doesnt...
[14:43:02] <lunaphyte_> probably not :)
[14:43:06] <gavi> but isnt postfix a mail server
[14:43:12] <lunaphyte_> indeed.
[14:43:26] <gavi> so, to use ssl connections to this mail server of myn
[14:43:27] <lunaphyte_> more specifically, an mta.
[14:43:45] <gavi> shouldnt this be a good place to start my troubleshooting?
[14:43:54] <lunaphyte_> not for pop or imap.
[14:44:05] <lunaphyte_> opo servers and imap servers aren't mtas.
[14:44:08] <lunaphyte_> *pop
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[14:44:48] <gavi> so which channel would u recommend me to go visit right now?
[14:45:01] <gavi> in order for me to enable these ports
[14:45:10] <gavi> 995 & 993
[14:45:13] <jsoftw> gavi: #gentoo
[14:45:15] <lunaphyte_> gavi: either you're using postfix, or you're not.  if you're using postfix, you can get help with it here.  if you're not, you likely can't.
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[14:45:25] <jsoftw> gavi: ;)
[14:45:34] <gavi> i AM using postfix
[14:45:38] <sebastiandeutsch> I have a problem with relaying - I want to create a forwarder to an external domain. Forwarding to one mailserver works. Forwarding to goolgemail does not work - but I got no error message (I checked mail.log and it says status=250).
[14:46:13] <gavi> port 110 25 and port 143 are all open.. now i want to open 995 and 993
[14:47:12] <jsoftw> gavi: what are you using?
[14:47:15] <lunaphyte_> gavi: you need to ask for help in the channel for the software you're using.
[14:47:26] <jsoftw> on what do things need opening?
[14:47:37] <gavi> lunaphyte, i am using POSTFIX
[14:48:08] <jsoftw> gavi: no, were talking ports, you noddy
[14:48:15] <jsoftw> gavi: ie, what FIREWALL are you running
[14:48:20] <lunaphyte_> gavi: not for imap/pop or 993/995 you're not.
[14:48:43] <gavi> i jsoftw i dont have a firewall running at the moment
[14:48:52] <gavi> except for the firewall in my router
[14:49:11] <jsoftw> gavi: well then as lunaphyte_ said, ask a channel which supporst whatever software wants to open those ports.
[14:49:17] <jsoftw> Which would be.. what.. software?
[14:49:22] <gavi> lunaphyte, so what u mean is that postfix doesnt support ssl connections and i need to find another software which will do this?
[14:49:29] <jsoftw> And if it is postfix, _why_ are you running postfix on this ports?
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[14:49:48] <lunaphyte_> let me be more specific.  you need to join the channel for the particular software that provides the pop/imap service you're using.
[14:50:32] <jsoftw> gavi: do you know the difference between what an MTA does (ie, postfix) and what IMAP/POP3 servers do?
[14:50:45] <gavi> jsoftw, i dont :-(
[14:50:54] <jsoftw> gavi: yes, well, step one would be to find out.
[14:50:59] <lunaphyte_> giyf :)
[14:51:13] <gavi> lunaphyte, & jsoftw, i appreciate your paitence thanks
[14:51:39] <gavi> i thought the mail server was the software which provided the imap and pop connections
[14:51:52] <gavi> and i also thought that if can support ssl connetions as well
[14:51:59] <gavi> i guess i was wrong and i will do some more research
[14:52:02] <jsoftw> yeah.
[14:52:19] <jsoftw> well some softawre does both.
[14:52:22] <jsoftw> but in this case, no.
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[14:52:49] <lunaphyte_> mail service is too generic of a term.
[14:53:04] <lunaphyte_> err, mail server.
[14:53:41] <gavi> i believe my software is courier
[14:53:56] <lunaphyte_> that's probable.
[14:54:03] <gavi> i seem to haave taken care of my problem!
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[16:16:41] <Balu_> hm
[16:16:58] <Balu_> sieve does not allow to execute external scripts?
[16:17:09] <sysmonk> sieve is not a part of postfix
[16:17:39] <Balu_> I know, but I guessed that here might be some people also using it :)
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[17:10:51] <marckie> hi, sorry to ask, im sure this is a very newbish question to almost everyone, but how do you stop mailx in relaying to anything else other than your local postfix instance?
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[17:11:36] <MrPunkin> Where can I clear all the messages queued for retry because of soft-bounces?
[17:11:52] <seekwill> I'm fairly certain mailx only uses localhost. man mailx should tell ya ;)
[17:12:04] <rob0> mailx uses sendmail(1)
[17:12:17] <seekwill> MrPunkin: If they are in there for a soft bounce, you generally can leave them in there and let them retry when scheduled.
[17:12:23] <seekwill> They were bounced for a reason
[17:12:43] <rob0> probably either /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail
[17:13:07] <MrPunkin> seekwill: Yeah, I'm trying to weed out a problem with a relay service we use thats getting a lot of malformed emails (that were early on) and I'm curious if the majority of them are just retries of old emails I already knew were a problem
[17:13:12] <marckie> seekwill: i did service sendmail stop. echo 'test' | mail user at domain dot com. user at domain dot com did receive the email
[17:13:24] <marckie> checking maillog, mailx used domain.com's MX to relay
[17:13:35] <marckie> domain.com is internal
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[17:14:27] <seekwill> marckie: So you checked the maillog on the same box as mailx?
[17:14:46] <seekwill> oh
[17:15:04] <rob0> Sounds like another case of failure to read the distributor's documentation.
[17:15:12] <seekwill> I think I misunderstood the question
[17:15:17] <rob0> (just a guess)
[17:15:36] <seekwill> rob0: Isn't that always the case?
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[17:16:13] <rob0> What I mean is that the distributor has some mechanism to select among multiple MTAs.
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[17:19:11] <MrPunkin> so seekwill.. is there a way to clear out those softbounces if I want to?
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[17:21:14] <acustic> hello.. what's the best option for killing spam? spamassassin? assp?
[17:21:35] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[17:21:36] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[17:21:40] <rob0> !zen
[17:21:40] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[17:25:00] <marckie> <rob0> Sounds like another case of failure to read the distributor's documentation. -> which line/section in documentation refers to how mailx chooses which relay/smtpd to use?
[17:25:48] <rob0> 16:14 < rob0> probably either /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/lib/sendmail
[17:25:52] <marckie> i just read the doc again, hoping i did miss the documentation portion, but didn't find any relevant info
[17:26:10] <seekwill> MrPunkin: Yes, but I'm not aware of the command. :/
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[17:31:15] <northox> Hi guys, I've been searching on how to limit the number of mail postmsater was getting: "Service unavailable; Client host [121.243.131.77] blocked using
[17:32:21] <northox> How do I control those mail from getting to the postmaster? any url or section I should read on?
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[17:32:56] <lrp> hello everyone
[17:33:04] <northox> hi
[17:33:05] <rob0> huh? Who is sending these? Are you talking about postmaster notifications?
[17:33:14] <lrp> im having a trouble with my mail server , i wonder if anybody here can give me a hand
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[17:34:03] <lrp> see my mail server is receibing a lot of mail , and he is taking some address as spam any idea ??  i have clamav, spamassassin, and amavis
[17:34:24] <lrp> he is giving me the message  Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.1 Rejected
[17:35:08] <northox> rob0 yes
[17:35:22] <northox> how do peaople deal with this?
[17:35:24] <rob0> !tell northox basic
[17:35:42] <northox> ok thanks
[17:36:06] <lrp> see this pasted http://pastebin.ca/1253314
[17:36:26] <lrp> i would apreciate any hand with that , he thinks that google is spamming :(
[17:36:35] <lrp> i dont understand why
[17:37:09] <northox> ahh that was easy after all. Sorry for that.
[17:37:54] <lrp> any ideas ???
[17:37:59] <rob0> By default you wouldn't get many postmaster notifications; you (or someone) changed that.
[17:38:20] <rob0> Sounds like a good idea until you see the deluge. :)
[17:38:54] <northox> Thats what I just realized. Probably come from a paste of a tutorial on UCE
[17:39:08] <northox> eheh thx alot!
[17:39:12] <rob0> yw
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[17:52:11] <lrp> :((
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[17:58:41] * lrp is asking for help sinde 3 hours ago and nobody is replying the request :((
[17:59:42] <jeev> lrp
[17:59:53] <jeev> someoe from google is spamming you ?
[17:59:57] <lrp> jeev,  yes :/
[18:00:04] <jeev> what's the problem
[18:00:12] <jeev> you know people can spoof email addresses?
[18:00:27] <lrp> jeev,   no , the trouble is that the mailserver is taking some  addressess as spam
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[18:00:45] <jeev> what does that mean
[18:00:45] <lrp> jeev,   did you saw the pasted i wrote ?
[18:00:48] <jeev> yes
[18:00:49] <jeev> i just woke up
[18:00:51] <jeev> i'm too lazy
[18:01:15] <lrp> that means that there must be somethign wrong in my server config that he is taking the email addresses as spam
[18:01:27] <jeev> what does he's taking my email addresses as spam mean ?
[18:01:29] <jeev> are you sending out
[18:01:35] <jeev> and ending up in spam folder
[18:01:38] <jeev> of googl e?
[18:02:43] <lrp> yes
[18:02:44] <JonMarkGo> Could someone take a look at my logs here and possibly offer some advice: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=154617#post154617
[18:02:51] <jeev> so paste the headers
[18:02:53] <jeev> from google
[18:02:55] <jeev> pastebin
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[18:06:19] <lrp> jeev,   there i go
[18:07:45] <lrp> jeev,  http://pastebin.ca/1253416
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[18:10:19] <JonMarkGo> Anyone?
[18:10:49] <lrp> yes
[18:11:45] <slicslak> i've been thrown a box with postfix on it and told to allow mail relaying from a 10.* IP.   can anyone give me any pointers on where to start?
[18:12:13] <lrp> transports?
[18:12:32] <lrp> or permit mynetworks
[18:12:39] <shasta> !mynetworks
[18:12:40] <knoba> shasta: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[18:12:47] <shasta> !basic
[18:12:47] <knoba> shasta: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:12:48] <lrp> jeev,   are you in there?
[18:12:50] <shasta> slicslak, ^^^^^^^^^^
[18:14:20] <slicslak> shasta, thanks.  i just saw that as well in main.cf.  checking it out
[18:14:56] <lrp> about me ?
[18:15:14] <lrp> any ideas about why my server is taking mail as spam ?
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[18:15:37] <lrp> and he is not deliveryng the mail to the internal netowork
[18:16:06] <JonMarkGo> Could someone take a look at the log files I posted and offer some advice on how to debug/fix the pam mysql auth?
[18:17:53] <JonMarkGo> http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=154617#post154617
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[18:20:27] <lrp> :((
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[18:23:24] <JonMarkGo> Can anyone please offer some advice?
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[18:31:31] <MrPunkin> can anyone in here tell me how to flush the queue of softbounces waiting to retry>
[18:32:12] <jduggan> !postsuper
[18:32:13] <knoba> jduggan: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.
[18:32:21] <jduggan> ^
[18:32:26] <MrPunkin> thanks jduggan
[18:34:14] <MrPunkin> jduggan: so do I need to provide a queue ID for every message I want to delete?
[18:34:58] <growltiger_> how about postsuper -d ALL deferred ?
[18:35:05] <jduggan> did you read the man page
[18:35:10] <jduggan> it quite clearly explains ALL
[18:35:19] <jduggan> which is a hint there...
[18:35:20] <jduggan> ;]
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[18:36:10] <MrPunkin> Okay, I'll look again.
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[19:09:21] <radius> hey, i'm having trouble finding this issue and was wondering if anyone else has run into this ... my mail.info log -- fatal: Recipient addresses must be specified on the command line or via the -t option
[19:11:06] <seekwill> That wasn't clear?
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[19:15:50] <rob0> "man sendmail" for syntax
[19:18:00] <radius> rob0, ok found the syntax - where in main.cf am I looking?
[19:18:03] <radius> please and thanks
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[19:21:08] <seekwill> It's a client side issue, not a postfix/MTA side
[19:21:47] <rob0> Perhaps if you described the problem you want to solve?
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[19:22:41] <seekwill> Well, might be resolved on the MTA side...
[19:23:00] <radius> i want to get rid of that message from showing in my log - was my initial thought - but if it's client based than do I need to modify my main.cf because i've been using the same main.cf for a long time
[19:23:21] <rob0> Stop whatever is trying to send those mails.
[19:23:28] <radius> and this message only started recently - maybe 3 or 4 months
[19:23:43] <radius> well it shows for every 10 clients sending email
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[19:23:56] <radius> 90% use ms outlook
[19:24:21] <radius> i'm more curious as to what it is that is generating the message
[19:24:23] <seekwill> That sounded like a sendmail thing
[19:24:28] <rob0> sendmail(1) is a Unix command-line utility. Not accessible via SMTP.
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[20:08:44] <radius> ok maybe this helps, (or not) - i just want to know what this is and how to fix it if I do need to fix it... http://pastebin.ca/1253543
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[20:37:15] <rob0> Doesn't that fit in with what we already told you? What are you asking? It is not a Postfix problem, it is a USER problem.
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[20:44:31] <radius> rob0, fair enough - thanks
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[21:06:50] <seekwill> radius: Do you have webapps/php/apache sending out email?
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[21:14:08] <radius> seekwill, let me check
[21:14:38] <radius> seekwill, i have a web developer that recently changed/updated the website - which I don't look after
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[21:24:27] <anders_l> i got virual domains and local users in box, i want deliverd mail in log to be orig_to=domain.com to be the same in to=domain.com.
[21:24:31] <anders_l> ?
[21:25:07] <Vellmont> Can anyone tell me if this is a sane thing to so?  I want to create a series of external mail aliases, with up to 1000 members each.  The aliases would be populated be an external program that creates an alias file (and then runs postmap)
[21:25:46] <Vellmont> My question is really, can postfix handle this many aliases?
[21:26:21] <anders_l> in log i get to=user at domain dot com i want it to be the same as orig_to=user at virtual_domain dot com
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[21:37:38] <adaptr> Vellmont: why not try it out ? test it with a local MTA on the receiving end and see how fast it can send them
[21:38:15] <adaptr> just sink them into a virtual mailbox on the receiver, so you can send the list to user1, user2...user999
[21:38:34] <adaptr> postfix will certainly handle them, it's just a matter of how fast
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[22:00:09] <anders_l> any hints how i can conf this rewrite ?  to=<test at dio dot nu>, orig_to=<test at shagwagon dot se>,
[22:00:38] <Vellmont> yah, that's what I'm going to do.
[22:00:39] <adaptr> anders_l: postfix has no concept of "rewrite"
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[22:00:47] <Dominian> !rewrite
[22:00:48] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "rewrite" is not a valid command.
[22:00:49] <anders_l> tried canonical maps and recipient_canonical
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[22:00:49] <Dominian> damn it
[22:00:55] <Dominian> !transport_map
[22:00:55] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "transport_map" is not a valid command.
[22:00:57] <Vellmont> Even if it took an hour to send out 1000 emails, that'd be fine.
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[22:01:05] <anders_l> adaptr: so i cant do it ?
[22:01:06] <adaptr> Vellmont: it would not even take a minute
[22:01:20] <adaptr> anders_l: I have no idea what you want to do, it does not follow from your vague question
[22:01:57] <Vellmont> performance isn't really an issue.  It's more "will it blow something up", since virtual alias tables are usually hand-maintained, and don't contain 1000 addresses
[22:01:58] <anders_l> adaptr: i got local users in the box and virtual domains
[22:02:14] <Vellmont> (or at least they are in my experience)
[22:02:20] <anders_l> adaptr: and in log it rewrites  to=<test at dio dot nu>, orig_to=<test at shagwagon dot se>
[22:02:40] <adaptr> Vellmont: where did you read that alias tables are usually hand-maintained ?
[22:02:46] <anders_l> adaptr: i want to=  to be the same as orig_to
[22:03:04] <Vellmont> perhaps they aren't..  I've just worked with small setups.
[22:03:13] <adaptr> anders_l: again, please, explain WHAT it is you want to achieve - crap in your log is not a goal, it's ignorance
[22:04:11] <anders_l> im setting up mailzu and when a user logs in as user@virtual_domains the can se the spam mail as user at domain dot com
[22:04:16] <Vellmont> so 1000+ addresses in a virtual alias table is "no big deal"?
[22:05:06] <adaptr> Vellmont: if you host virtual domains wit true virtual addresses, 50K addresses is still entirely normal
[22:05:25] <adaptr> although you would probably use a database by then
[22:05:31] <adaptr> 1000 is sort of on the edge
[22:06:51] <Vellmont> hmm..  is there a better way to connect my DB to the alias mapping?  I was just going to write some code and perform a query to the backend DB, then write out the file.
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[22:08:00] <adaptr> why the fuck would you do that ?
[22:08:16] <Vellmont> because the list is maintained in the DB.
[22:08:20] <adaptr> use a database map for jesus sake
[22:08:29] <adaptr> !map
[22:08:30] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "map" is not a valid command.
[22:08:37] <adaptr> oh pfft
[22:08:39] <adaptr> !alias_maps
[22:08:40] <knoba> adaptr: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
[22:08:49] <adaptr> there must be one
[22:08:58] <adaptr> !map_types ?
[22:08:59] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "map_types" is not a valid command.
[22:09:05] <adaptr> !maps
[22:09:06] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "maps" is not a valid command.
[22:09:08] <rob0> hash: is faster, and it takes out another possible point of failure.
[22:09:12] <adaptr> sigh.. I'mto olazy to look
[22:09:25] <adaptr> rob0: and you definitely don't want to use it for 50K virtuals
[22:09:42] <Vellmont> so how would I get postfix to talk to my DB?
[22:09:46] <rob0> OTOH, most sites, yes, if that big they should query the rdb.
[22:09:55] <adaptr> with a SQL map, dummy!
[22:09:56] <rob0> !mysql
[22:09:57] <knoba> rob0: "mysql" : http://www.postfix.org/MYSQL_README.html is helpful in configuring postfix to talk to a mysql server.
[22:10:03] <rob0> !pgsql
[22:10:04] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pgsql" is not a valid command.
[22:10:09] <adaptr> !postgres
[22:10:10] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "postgres" is not a valid command.
[22:10:17] <adaptr> !postgresql
[22:10:18] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "postgresql" is not a valid command.
[22:10:25] <adaptr> sheeet
[22:11:24] <rob0> ! learn pgsql as http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:11:33] <rob0> !learn pgsql as http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:11:36] <rob0> !pgsql
[22:11:37] <knoba> rob0: "pgsql" : (#1) http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix, or (#2) http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:11:45] <Vellmont> heh.  Give me a break..  postfix is just a minor sideline.  I'm far from an expert.
[22:11:45] <adaptr> heh\
[22:11:46] <rob0> !forget pgsql
[22:11:47] <knoba> rob0: Error: 2 factoids have that key.  Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
[22:11:47] <adaptr> FAIL
[22:11:52] <rob0> !learn pgsql as http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:12:00] <Vellmont> anyway, it's a SQL server db.
[22:12:02] <adaptr> !pgsql
[22:12:03] <knoba> adaptr: "pgsql" : (#1) http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix, or (#2) http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix, or (#3) http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:12:08] <adaptr> yea-hah
[22:12:13] <rob0> grrrr
[22:12:19] <rob0> !forget pgsql *
[22:12:26] <rob0> !learn pgsql as http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:12:31] <rob0> !pgsql
[22:12:32] <knoba> rob0: "pgsql" : http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix
[22:12:45] <adaptr> Vellmont: postfix a minor sideline ? oh boy.. in 5 minutes you're going to wish you LIED
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[22:14:10] <Vellmont> Why's that?
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[22:14:35] <radius> seekwill, found the problem
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[22:14:49] <adaptr> we're pretty religious
[22:15:08] <Vellmont> heh.
[22:15:19] <klaxian> is there a way to send email directly to postfix's queue without having it try to send immediately?  i am specifying "-O DeliveryMode=d" in the sendmail args, but it doesn't seem to be working
[22:15:22] <radius> seekwill, i checked with the web developer and it wasn't that ... conflict with procmail/spamassassin and out-of-office script i had in procmail
[22:15:26] <nevele> is there a way to set up a transport, or something similar, to where i could have a map table off email addresses and if an address is in that table it sends it to a different postfix instance on a different ip address?
[22:15:47] <adaptr> !transport_maps
[22:15:48] <knoba> adaptr: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[22:15:53] <radius> seekwill, recreated procmail and updated spamassassin - now spamd is feeding correct logs in mail.info
[22:16:09] <Vellmont> well, for me postfix is something I've used at home, and for some small business solutions.  Currently I'm really just a software developer.
[22:16:19] <radius> seekwill and rob0 thanks for your tips
[22:16:39] <Vellmont> but I know enough to know I don't know a hell of a lot about postfix.
[22:16:58] <nevele> adaptr:  great, ill take that as a "yes, its possible"   i just wanted to get the heads up before i went looking for a way to implement it.  thanks!
[22:17:04] <klaxian> does postfix even have a deferred queue like sendmail?
[22:17:28] <klaxian> i want to add a lot of emails to a queue quickly and have it send them as it can over time
[22:17:43] <adaptr> klaxian: so use a slow transport for them
[22:17:55] <adaptr> they will queue and send at whatever max speed you set
[22:18:21] <klaxian> adaptr: so they are put into the queue automatically?  it's not something separate like sendmail?
[22:18:34] <adaptr> are what ? define "automatically"
[22:19:22] <adaptr> you don't have direct access to the postfix queues
[22:19:32] <adaptr> that answers part of your question regardless
[22:19:47] <adaptr> but then you don't have direct access to sendmail's queues either
[22:20:14] <klaxian> adaptr: i need to send a bunch of emails to clients all at one time.  i don't want my program to take a long time to run.  i would like to send all the emails to postfix (via sendmail command) and the have my program exit normally.  then the emails would be sent over time
[22:20:17] <klaxian> make sense?
[22:20:29] <adaptr> klaxian: yes
[22:20:31] <adaptr> then do so
[22:20:36] <adaptr> what is the problem ?
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[22:21:22] <klaxian> do i have to do anything special for that to occur?  for sendmail, i had to include "-O DeliveryMode=d" in the command line options.  does postfix require anything like that?
[22:21:35] <adaptr> you are describing the normal functionality of a mail server
[22:21:38] <Vellmont> hmm..  so it looks like there's no direct support for SQL Server lookups.  Is there some other more generalized way to talk to a relational database?
[22:21:46] <adaptr> Vellmont: ODBC ?
[22:21:54] <adaptr> just guessing
[22:22:11] <Vellmont> if so, that'd be fine..  I just don't see anything.
[22:22:12] <klaxian> adaptr: thank you :)  that's all i needed to hear.  sendmail would try to send immediately if i didn't include those options.  glad to know postfix is more sane :)
[22:22:29] <Vellmont> (though I hate configuring ODBC)
[22:22:34] <adaptr> klaxian: any MTA will send the mails as soon as it is able
[22:22:46] <adaptr> klaxian: why, exactly, would this be a problem
[22:23:59] <klaxian> adaptr: it's not a problem if it works that way.  i just didn't want my sendmail command to wait until the mail is delivered (or accepted for delivery) before returning
[22:24:21] <adaptr> it won't
[22:24:26] <klaxian> cool :)
[22:24:34] <klaxian> thanks for confirming that
[22:24:37] <klaxian> i appreciate it
[22:24:37] <adaptr> if sendmail does that then you're using it wrong
[22:24:52] <adaptr> mail sent TO the server should always end up in a queue
[22:24:54] <klaxian> adaptr: certainly possible ;)
[22:24:58] <rob0> "so it looks like there's no direct support for SQL Server lookups." ??? Says who?
[22:25:11] <adaptr> but it's remotely possible that sendmail tries to send it OUT immediately
[22:25:16] <bpgoldsb> Hi.  When I sent a message to multiple recipients (foo at example dot com and bar at example dot com), all of which are aliases I'm a recipient of, I get several copies of the message.  Where should I be looking to prevent duplicate delivery?
[22:25:26] <rob0> Certainly not the *SQL_READMEs.
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[22:26:20] <Vellmont> rob0: so you see some documentation for SQL Server lookups?
[22:26:48] <Vellmont> I didn't see anything in the DATABASE README
[22:27:02] <rob0> ohhhh this is NOT Mysql or PostgreSQL ... some other SQL
[22:27:08] <rob0> I misunderstood
[22:27:37] <Vellmont> pre-existing database.  MS SQL Server
[22:30:43] <adaptr> rob0: yes, M$ lusers tend to ignore other RDBMSen to the point that they call it "the" SQL Server
[22:31:19] <adaptr> Vellmont: hint: on an open source network, speak of MS SQL [2000|2005|2008] if you want to be understood ;)
[22:31:21] <rob0> They're welcome to it. :)
[22:31:23] <Vellmont> heh.  Don't blame me because Microsoft named their server "SQL Server"
[22:31:29] <adaptr> Vellmont: they didn't
[22:31:36] <adaptr> Microsoft SQL Server 2005
[22:31:41] <adaptr> MS SQL for short
[22:31:50] <adaptr> SYbase for the real haters
[22:31:59] <Vellmont> heh..
[22:32:12] <rob0> Well, you communicated it in a free software channel, and to us, "SQL server" is a generic term.
[22:32:35] <adaptr> rob0: when it's capitalized, I usually take the hint
[22:32:59] <rob0> Yeah, I missed that hint.
[22:33:12] <Vellmont> anyway..  it looks like Postfix isn't very RDBMS agnostic.
[22:34:14] <adaptr> Vellmont: there's no reason for it to be, seeing as it supports two more RDBMSen than sendmail does...
[22:34:30] <adaptr> now tell me how many databases Exchange supports!
[22:34:43] <Vellmont> well..  there's a lot more DBs than postgres and mysql.
[22:34:53] <adaptr> so write it
[22:35:15] <Vellmont> it's just not that important to me..
[22:35:23] <rob0> I bet Wietse would welcome a well-written ODBC abstraction layer.
[22:35:44] <Vellmont> yah..  it'd be nice, to be sure.
[22:35:45] <adaptr> my thoughts exactly
[22:35:59] <adaptr> of course, "well-written" and "ODBC" in the same sentence...
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[22:36:50] <Vellmont> if this were a larger project, I certainly could do it.  I've worked with ODBC before.  It's kinda sucky, but it's OK.
[22:36:52] <Salsero_Nash> hello I need a help with postfix
[22:37:23] * adaptr hands Salsero_Nash a help
[22:38:18] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: I need to know what is the better manager for postfix
[22:39:13] <adaptr> Salsero_Nash: vim, or possibly emacs
[22:39:21] <Salsero_Nash> courrier, cirius, dovecop
[22:39:27] <adaptr> wow
[22:39:33] <adaptr> that's impressive
[22:39:44] <sysmonk> i like cirius
[22:39:44] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:39:51] <Salsero_Nash> why you say that
[22:39:53] <adaptr> you managed to not spell a single one right, and I still have no clue what you think a "manager" does
[22:40:20] <sysmonk> adaptr: the usual stuff.. sits in the office all day and does nothing
[22:40:31] <sysmonk> oh, and drinks coffee, and sits in myspace
[22:40:45] <adaptr> the programs you mentioned are, respectively, a complete SMTP/POP/IMAP mail system, a complete SMTP/POP/IMAP mail system , and a very complete POP/IMAP/AUTH/DELIVERY agent
[22:40:53] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: well what yoy think about it???
[22:41:07] <sysmonk> managers are also great rss agregators, they agregate all the news sites stuff!
[22:41:15] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: that is right
[22:41:19] <adaptr> Salsero_Nash: the number of question marks does not linearly increase my undertanding
[22:41:47] <sysmonk> adaptr: woot? cyrus isn't "very complete" ?
[22:41:55] <sysmonk> and cyrus isn't a auth/delivery agent ?!
[22:42:01] <sysmonk> sorry, cirius*
[22:42:13] <Vellmont> I didn't know there was another frontend for postfix management
[22:42:25] <Salsero_Nash> but cirius y very dificult to joing with LDAP
[22:42:35] <adaptr> sysmonk: I consider both cyrus and courier to be less sublime than dovecot
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[22:42:40] <sysmonk> Vellmont: yeah, the main one is called a sysadmin, all others are mostly php based web apps
[22:42:43] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:42:57] <sysmonk> adaptr: courier - sure, cyrus - no
[22:43:04] <adaptr> yes
[22:43:13] <adaptr> chickfight!
[22:43:20] * adaptr bares breast
[22:43:38] <sysmonk> cyrus has more functionality than dovecot, was there long time ago, it's the main sasl implementation mostly too
[22:43:45] <Salsero_Nash> sysmonk: couries is better you think
[22:43:50] <sysmonk> i'm not even talkibg about sieve which was 'invented' by cyrus too
[22:43:57] <Salsero_Nash> to joing with LDAP
[22:43:59] <Salsero_Nash> tooo
[22:44:19] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: please, try to atleast remember the names of the software
[22:44:23] <sysmonk> and try to spell it right
[22:44:30] <Salsero_Nash> sysmonk: I looking for a better integration
[22:44:31] <adaptr> sysmonk: and even though dovecot is vastly easier to setup and maintain, and just has a much cooler name, you persevere ?
[22:44:45] <adaptr> idiocy!
[22:44:46] <sysmonk> adaptr: i find cyrus easy to setup.
[22:44:52] <sysmonk> and maintain
[22:44:54] <adaptr> oh, it's ON now
[22:45:06] * sysmonk has quite a bunch of mailboxes on cyrus
[22:45:27] * adaptr renames his mail system to Cletus
[22:45:52] <adaptr> c'mon fucker, hit me! you scaaared to hit an old woman ?
[22:46:19] <Salsero_Nash> sysmonk: you have something to read and learn to mount postfix+cyrus+ldap
[22:46:22] * sysmonk looks at adaptr * i wonder how much drugs did he eat today *
[22:46:40] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: go for dovecop
[22:46:44] <adaptr> you should really watch Nutty Professor 2
[22:46:46] <sysmonk> cirius is not for you
[22:46:51] <adaptr> all will become clear
[22:47:05] <Vellmont> you have something against cyrus adaptr?
[22:47:08] * sysmonk just got rid of cirius fans and send them to adaptr's dovecop fan club
[22:47:09] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:47:09] * adaptr runs postyfixy on everything!
[22:47:16] <bpgoldsb> How to I tell postfix not to expand aliases?
[22:47:19] <Salsero_Nash> sysmonk: you know were I can find something about dovecop??
[22:47:28] <adaptr> bpgoldsb: don't have aliases ?
[22:47:31] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: yeah, type in: /query adaptr
[22:47:37] <sysmonk> and ask around there
[22:47:41] <adaptr> nasty
[22:47:44] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: I do, I want to skip expansion before content filter, then expand after.
[22:47:49] <sysmonk> try talking to it like to a search engine
[22:47:50] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:47:50] <adaptr> ah
[22:47:53] <Salsero_Nash> sysmonk: where I type that
[22:47:53] <adaptr> readme time
[22:47:55] <Salsero_Nash> ???
[22:47:58] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: here
[22:48:25] <adaptr> !content_filter
[22:48:26] <knoba> adaptr: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.
[22:48:27] * sysmonk is evil
[22:48:28] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:48:48] <adaptr> bpgoldsb: you want before-queue content filtering, then
[22:48:52] 
[22:48:54] <adaptr> it's on the web site
[22:49:02] <adaptr> FORUMS! muhahahah
[22:49:13] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: not a problem, just create a new thread here
[22:49:22] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: I don't like the idea of before-queue content filtering, mostly because it requires it to be done quickly
[22:49:29] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: And virus scanning isn't always quick
[22:49:30] 
[22:49:57] <sysmonk> Salsero_Nash: adaptr is pistfox and dovepot (or was it dovecop?) guru
[22:50:04] <sysmonk> you can ask him about that stuff
[22:50:05] <sysmonk> ;)
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[22:50:31] <sysmonk> adaptr: right? :)
[22:50:39] <adaptr> bpgoldsb: well, before-queue is the only time you have access to un-expanded aliases, unless you run a second postfix instance and use tweaks in the smtp options
[22:50:43] <nevele> what type of transport would i use to route certain email addresses to a different postfix cluster?
[22:50:56] <adaptr> nevele: a working one ?
[22:51:03] <adaptr> it's up to you
[22:51:05] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: hey help me with postfix and dovecop
[22:51:09] <adaptr> !transport
[22:51:09] <knoba> adaptr: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
[22:51:13] * sysmonk giggles
[22:51:26] <nevele> yea, i read that adaptr..
[22:51:27] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: sysmonk say that you are a guru in it
[22:51:33] <adaptr> Salsero_Nash: not today, you've been here half an hour and I haven;t even seen an actual question
[22:52:03] <nevele> was just thinking i may get lucky and get some keywords to help in the research
[22:52:25] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: well you can send me something for I study
[22:52:37] <adaptr> Salsero_Nash: WHAT is it you WANT ?
[22:52:43] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: and other day we talk about it
[22:53:01] <adaptr> nevele: you want to relay mail to a different mail server based on - what ? sender address ? recipient address ?
[22:53:07] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: I want to mount postfix+dovecop+LDAP
[22:53:15] <adaptr> Salsero_Nash: does not parse
[22:53:33] <adaptr> I want to mount sysmonk but he's a crybaby, he never lets me
[22:53:37] <nevele> adaptr:  based on recipient address
[22:54:27] <adaptr> then use transport_maps, as I already hinted
[22:54:36] <Salsero_Nash> adaptr: ok thanks
[22:55:15] <nevele> ok, ill keep googling.  thanks
[22:57:01] <adaptr> nevele: googling ? for what ?
[22:57:13] <adaptr> just read the postfix manual link
[22:57:14] <nevele> adapter:  aaah, ok..  i getcha
[22:57:48] <nevele> yea, i see.  im sorta getting up on mta's in general..  im a coder thats writing tools for a datacenter migration
[22:58:11] <nevele> so im just kind of stepping through this figuring out how to tie my code in
[22:58:13] <nevele> thanks
[22:58:36] <nevele> i see..  much appreciated.  thats exactly what i need
[22:58:50] <adaptr> I know
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[22:59:26] <nevele> heh..  well, thanks for the direction
[22:59:41] <nevele> :)
[22:59:46] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: I'm still a bit irked.
[22:59:53] <adaptr> about what ?
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[23:01:14] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: It seems like postfix should already be clearing the duplicates before the content filter.  It's already expanded them at that point and found multiple instances of my email address
[23:02:25] <adaptr> bpgoldsb: the content-filter factoid tells all: it filters AFTER the mail is put in the queue, and when mail is put in the queue all addresses are rewritten and all aliases expanded
[23:02:35] <adaptr> there's a decent ASCII flowchart on the postfix site
[23:03:14] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: Right, but shouldn't postfix find the duplicates when it expands the aliases?
[23:04:00] <adaptr> and then ?
[23:04:10] <adaptr> how does it know that's not exactly what youwanted ?
[23:04:33] <bpgoldsb> I would think a allow_duplicates variable would be a good way.
[23:04:51] <bpgoldsb> I'm just trying to make sure I understand the problem before I decide on how to fix it.
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[23:08:33] <adaptr> postfix automatically removes duplicates before it even hits the queue on my system
[23:08:55] <adaptr> you can't mix virtuals and locals though, as postfix doesn't assume those are equivalent
[23:09:03] <adaptr> even if they would end up at the same mailbox
[23:09:41] <bpgoldsb> Well, I suppose I can give before-queue filtering a try if it should help
[23:10:39] <adaptr> or, as I suggested, pipe them (or lmtp) to another postfix instance and do it there
[23:11:23] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: Perhaps I missed it but I don't know how you would have that second instance take care of it.
[23:11:42] <adaptr> are all these aliases external ?
[23:11:54] <adaptr> if so, how come there are duplicates ?
[23:12:04] <adaptr> that's a postmaster job ;)
[23:12:04] <bpgoldsb> Define 'external'.
[23:12:17] <adaptr> no mailbox on your server
[23:12:23] <adaptr> it's sort of the definition ;)
[23:12:26] <bpgoldsb> No, they're local
[23:12:35] <adaptr> local local, or virtual ?
[23:12:41] <bpgoldsb> Virtual.
[23:12:49] <adaptr> ah
[23:12:59] <bpgoldsb> Using LDAP maps
[23:13:09] <adaptr> using virtual_alias_maps, you mean
[23:13:26] <bpgoldsb> Yes.
[23:13:44] <bpgoldsb> Which are defined in ldap and not a hash file, if that matters.
[23:14:36] <adaptr> it doesn't ;)
[23:14:42] <adaptr> maps be maps
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[23:15:27] <adaptr> so you want expanded virtual aliases - which you say contain duplicates - to be filtered BEFORE they are queued ?
[23:16:16] <adaptr> I don't use virtuals myself, but normal addresses are routinely deduped, after the trivial-rewrite stage (when all addresses are canonical)
[23:17:16] <adaptr> or do you want to filter the original ?
[23:17:23] <adaptr> that's the most usual option
[23:17:59] <bpgoldsb> Filtered before queued would probably work.
[23:18:14] <bpgoldsb> The ends justify the means, and I just want to stop getting duplicates.
[23:18:31] <adaptr> is this mail from outside ?
[23:18:51] <bpgoldsb> Just internal at the momment
[23:19:05] <adaptr> I never filter internal mail, what's the point ?
[23:19:22] <xpoint> adaptr, learn ham in bayes dspam
[23:19:46] <adaptr> xpoint: very good..point
[23:21:38] <bpgoldsb> Sorry, it's both internal and external, but I don't see the point in trying to solve external
[23:21:51] <bpgoldsb> And we run antivirus on the server to prevent a virus outbreak
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[23:24:56] <bpgoldsb> adaptr: So can you describe your lmtp/second postfix instance idea?
[23:25:42] <adaptr> bpgoldsb: I use amavis, which runs as a postfix transport, and a second smtp re-injection path
[23:25:53] <adaptr> it can do spamassassin, clamav, dspam, and sundry
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[23:26:18] <adaptr> so incoming -> postfix -> amavis -> postfix > delivery
[23:26:30] <bpgoldsb> And the second postfix is what cleans it up?
[23:26:48] <adaptr> the second postfix is what actually delivers it
[23:26:56] <bpgoldsb> See, I'm doing incoming -> postfix -> clamsmtpd -> postfix -> delivery (dovecot)
[23:27:02] <adaptr> but I do use it after-queue
[23:27:32] <adaptr> as the postfix manual tells you, which is better depends on load, and other details
[23:27:53] <bpgoldsb> Right, but where in there would it clean up duplicates?
[23:29:05] <adaptr> is that really such a big problem ? how often would you get duplicate mails from inside your network ?
[23:29:24] <bpgoldsb> It happens enough the big man complains.
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[23:29:45] <adaptr> he probably causes most of it himself :)
[23:30:14] <bpgoldsb> Yes, but on the bright side he signs my paychecks.
[23:30:23] <bpgoldsb> So I'm kind of obligated.
[23:30:30] <rob0> I wish he wouls sign mine.
[23:30:37] <rob0> would*
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[23:33:40] <bpgoldsb> I guess the problem is happening when clamsmtp is reinjecting the messages.
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