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[00:06:07] <growltiger_> sunos is very old
[00:06:22] <growltiger_> if there are packages for it, they are probably crusty
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[00:07:21] <Trengo> sunfreeware.com
[00:07:22] <Trengo> there's packages for solaris 2.5
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[00:08:33] <Trengo> no postfix though
[00:08:50] <Trengo> which sunos you have?
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[00:09:57] <c0rleone> 5.9
[00:10:37] <Trengo> thats solaris 9?
[00:10:52] <Trengo> sparc or x86?
[00:11:19] <c0rleone> sparc
[00:12:41] <Trengo> look at http://sunfreeware.com/programlistsparc8.html#postfix
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[01:05:16] <c0rleone> postalias: fatal: open /etc/mail/aliases: No such file or directory
[01:05:26] <c0rleone> how do i fix that? ive already try newaliases :|
[01:06:29] <adaptr> postfix is normally pointed at the Unix default /etc/aliases
[01:06:43] <adaptr> keep it there unless you know exactly what you're doing
[01:07:51] <deface> adaptr: based on distro
[01:08:17] <deface> c0rleone: check the alias's line in main.cf, make sure that path exists, you'll need to run newaliases if you edit the aliases file
[01:08:26] <deface> or manually postmap /path/to/aliases
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[01:11:41] <adaptr> does newaliases even look at main.cf ?
[01:11:51] <adaptr> I would think it uses the compiled-in default location
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[01:17:43] <deface> no
[01:17:53] <deface> newaliases postmaps the local alias's file
[01:18:09] <deface> adaptr: there is no 'default' location in linux
[01:19:30] <adaptr> all settings in main.cf have compiled-in defaults
[01:20:28] <deface> they have postfix defaults
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[01:24:59] <rob0> !alias_database
[01:25:01] <knoba> rob0: "alias_database" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases for local(8) delivery that are updated with "newaliases" or with "sendmail -bi".
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[03:01:51] <nofilicity> I'm getting "courierpop3login: chdir planetnormal.com/nofilicity: Permission denied" but who do I set the permissions to?
[03:02:14] <nofilicity> Oop just got it
[03:02:38] <deface> always 777
[03:02:42] <nofilicity> Yea
[03:04:32] <sahil> uh, no.
[03:04:42] <sahil> don't 'always 777' -- that's likely to get you hax0rificated quite easily. :P
[03:07:59] <deface> sahil: ;)
[03:10:57] <nofilicity> I followed http://howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-with-postfix-ubuntu-7.10 to set up a virtual mail system using a database, however, it seems I cannot send or recieve mail..
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[03:12:48] <nofilicity> and there's nothing in mail.log, .warn or .err
[03:14:48] <rob0> !tutorial
[03:14:49] <knoba> rob0: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[03:15:21] <nofilicity> Definitely describes me :>
[03:15:55] <nofilicity> How can I begin walking the path of the proper way?
[03:16:39] <rob0> Well, TBH I wasn't impressed by that howtoforge article when I skimmed it once.
[03:16:59] <nofilicity> I just want to use multiple domains on 1 server :>
[03:17:00] <rob0> Sounds like from this point you need to understand how Unix filesystem permissions work.
[03:18:12] <rob0> I would use !basic and !virtual as starting points. Use local(8) delivery for virtual_alias_domains/maps.
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[03:18:35] <nofilicity> ok
[03:18:36] <nofilicity> Thanks
[03:18:40] <nofilicity> !basic
[03:18:41] <knoba> nofilicity: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[03:19:39] <rob0> The word "virtual" has two distinct usages in Postfix. Virtual MAILBOX and v. ALIAS domains/maps.
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[03:45:20] <unomystEz> hello
[03:45:24] <nofilicity> fixed rob0 :}
[03:46:03] <unomystEz> how do I precreate SENT folders in Maildir? is there a postfix setting?  or do email clients usually just store sent mail locally?
[03:46:52] <deface> usually created once a message is 'sent'
[03:46:57] <deface> first message should create it
[03:46:58] <unomystEz> ah
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[03:47:19] <unomystEz> well actually with this Opera email client, there is a setting to set the SENT folder, but there are no options
[03:47:27] <unomystEz> i was thinking because it's not created on the server in the Maildir yet
[03:47:28] <deface> usually the client creates the folder
[03:47:47] <unomystEz> In Opera it's a combobox selection, and it's not editable
[03:47:56] <deface> yeah, i dont use opera
[03:47:59] <unomystEz> heh
[03:48:03] <unomystEz> which email client do you recommend?
[03:48:07] <unomystEz> i haven't found a good one yet
[03:48:11] <deface> thunderbird .. evolution
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[03:48:19] <deface> 2 decent ones
[03:48:26] <unomystEz> evolution is the gnome one right?
[03:48:32] <deface> yup
[03:48:40] <deface> are you gnome or kde ?
[03:48:41] <unomystEz> yeah it's  been around for a while
[03:48:45] <unomystEz> awesome
[03:48:49] <unomystEz> awesome wm
[03:48:53] <unomystEz> but i have gnome libs installed
[03:49:10] <deface> kde is bloated imo, im xfce4
[03:49:12] <unomystEz> but I also use a windows box sometimes, and I would prefer to get used to one email client
[03:49:21] <unomystEz> so maybe I'll try thunderbird
[03:49:32] <unomystEz> deface: awesome is one of the leanest WM's =)
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[03:49:40] <deface> lame name
[03:49:42] <deface> lol
[03:49:51] <unomystEz> awesome is awesome =P
[03:50:21] <unomystEz> and before I make this mail server live, is there a need to do any post configuration such as SPV or something?
[03:50:34] <unomystEz> I forget what it's called
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[03:50:41] <unomystEz> but something that validates the mailserver?
[03:51:06] <unomystEz> some kind of key verification on the domain name or something
[03:51:13] <unomystEz> or should I not bother
[03:51:21] <unomystEz> i think we had issues sending to some mail servers in the past
[03:51:24] <unomystEz> like hotmail or yahoo
[03:51:52] <deface> eww, one of those lame tiling wm's
[03:51:57] <unomystEz> hahaha
[03:52:04] <unomystEz> hey, you're a freebsd user as well =)
[03:52:09] <unomystEz> deface: I need that tiling wm on my laptop
[03:52:10] <deface> DKIM ?
[03:52:18] <unomystEz> DKIM?
[03:52:20] <unomystEz> dunno
[03:52:37] <deface> yeah, ive got a few fbsd boxes, shell boxes
[03:52:41] <deface> mostly a gentoo man
[03:52:47] <unomystEz> oh jesus
[03:52:49] <unomystEz> sorry to hear that
[03:52:51] <unomystEz> =P
[03:53:05] <unomystEz> that's like both ends of the spectrum
[03:53:23] <deface> its ok, most people are scared of the unknow
[03:53:25] <deface> unknown*
[03:53:31] <unomystEz> pfft
[03:53:35] <unomystEz> try Arch Linux
[03:53:37] <deface> ill place you back in the crown
[03:53:38] <unomystEz> much more FreeBSD like
[03:53:45] <deface> ive ran it
[03:53:53] <deface> nice package manager, bout it though
[03:54:00] <unomystEz> anyway..
[03:54:01] <deface> s/crown/crowd *
[03:54:02] <unomystEz> heh
[03:54:39] <deface> neway - http://svn.fluxlabs.net/postfix/trunk/main.cf
[03:54:52] <deface> my main.cf, if yah wanna peep some of the options for anti-spam/uce
[03:55:09] <unomystEz> deface: is it really necessary to use DKIM for a corporate email server?
[03:55:14] <unomystEz> can I get away without it?
[03:55:19] <deface> no, but thats what you were asking about
[03:55:25] <unomystEz> ok
[03:55:28] <deface> <unomystEz> some kind of key verification on the domain name or something
[03:55:39] <deface> few things to look out for - ...
[03:55:43] <deface> make sure your ip isnt dynamic
[03:55:48] <unomystEz> check
[03:55:52] <deface> or you'll get blacklisted in bout 10 min
[03:55:58] <deface> not an open relay
[03:56:00] <unomystEz> check
[03:56:08] <deface> its safer to relay to a bigger mailserver .. such as your isp
[03:56:55] <unomystEz> ok the last thing I need to configure is SMTP AUTH + TLS
[03:57:06] <unomystEz> should I run SMTP AUTH + TLS on 25?
[03:57:11] <unomystEz> i see some people configure it on 2525
[03:57:17] <deface> 993 ? for tls
[03:57:18] <unomystEz> and leave SMTP on 25 as normal
[03:57:21] <deface> i believe thats the default port
[03:57:24] <unomystEz> 993 is IMAP TLS I believe
[03:57:28] <deface> yeah
[03:57:40] <deface> most do imap, pop3 is too client dependent
[03:57:54] <deface> and if your corporate, im assuming outlook, which limits your pst to 2 gigs per
[03:58:05] <deface> before you see corruption
[03:58:08] <unomystEz> heh
[03:58:13] <unomystEz> gotta love that limitation
[03:58:38] <unomystEz> have you tried roundcube?
[03:58:47] <unomystEz> I'm thinking about switching to it from squirrelmail
[03:58:53] <deface> yup, thats what i use on my mailservers
[03:58:57] <unomystEz> great
[04:00:00] <deface> doesnt have the options that sqmail has .. fetchmail, calendars ..etc
[04:00:06] <deface> but much nicer interface
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[04:04:50] <unomystEz> it seems that this roundcube I just set up is very slow
[04:04:55] <unomystEz> I wonder if it has to do with the configuration
[04:07:49] <deface> whatcha mean slow
[04:07:52] <deface> reponsiveness
[04:08:21] <sahil> squirrelmail is just fine; it lacks the bells and whistles that roundcube offers, but it just works (tm).
[04:13:44] <unomystEz> this roundcube always says in an AJAX box at the top "Checking for new messages..."
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[04:19:51] <freddy__> hey all, I'm trying to setup postfix with to virtual mailboxes for users bill and bob. with email address bill@domain and bob@domain, but what I want to happen is that when bill gets an email bob gets a copy too.
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[04:20:07] <freddy__> I'm currently trying to do it with virtual_alias_maps.
[04:20:23] <freddy__> any clues
[04:21:11] <freddy__> something like "bill@domain bill,bob"
[04:21:31] <sahil> use recipient_bcc_maps.
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[04:24:55] <unomystEz> actually this thunderbird client is crap
[04:25:06] <unomystEz> it just sits there and gives no error message or anything when it can't connect
[04:25:16] <sahil> unomystEz: use mutt.
[04:25:28] <unomystEz> sahil: good call
[04:25:48] <sahil> miller light.
[04:25:52] <unomystEz> MGD
[04:26:46] <unomystEz> jesus
[04:26:54] <sahil> christ.  of latter day saints.
[04:26:57] <unomystEz> in Opera I pick TLS, in Thunderbird it's SSL
[04:35:08] <cite> Good morning.
[04:36:22] <sahil> cite: hello.
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[04:39:25] <cite> freddy__: Have a look at recipient_bcc_maps
[04:41:50] <sahil> cite: 22:22 < sahil> use recipient_bcc_maps.
[04:42:00] <sahil> 22:40 < cite> freddy__: Have a look at recipient_bcc_maps
[04:42:02] <sahil> :P
[04:43:45] <cite> Heyy, it's 04:45am. You can't expect me to read backlogs that early.
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[05:38:50] <freddy__> sahil: is there possibly another way?  we have some alias_map entries like "@thisdomain  @anotherdomain"  and the recipient_bcc_maps for @anotherdomain isn't applied.
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[05:41:59] <sahil> cite: *yawn*
[05:42:14] <sahil> cite: you read back far enough *before* what I wrote to see his question.  suspicious. :)
[05:42:39] <sahil> freddy__: you are insufficiently explaining your problem, so i guess our answers are insufficient. :)
[05:42:44] <sahil> but now i have to sleep, so good luck!
[05:43:04] <freddy__> sahil: okay  thanks anyway
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[06:09:24] <freddy__> anyone else have ideas?
[06:12:59] <growltiger_> !virtual_alias_maps
[06:13:00] <knoba> growltiger_: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
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[06:29:13] <whiteflag> I have been trying to find out why my postfix is keep on dying....
[06:29:35] <whiteflag> at last figure out the issue... need your help to fix..
[06:30:11] <whiteflag> is there anybody to take this challenge ? :)
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[06:54:17] <f3ew> whiteflag logs?
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[07:14:46] <kuja> Hello.  I was wondering how I could go about debugging an issue in my Postfix setup that would prevent a 220 from being sent at all.  I can't seem to locate any log file on my system either (nothing in /var/log).
[07:15:22] <kuja> I am testing with telnet (e.g., telnet localhost 25) and the connection gets established just fine, but Postfix is silent, no banner.. nothing.
[07:15:46] <sysmonk> new installation?
[07:16:21] <kuja> It's pretty new.. I mean I installed it, set up MySQL virtual aliases and mailboxes, then I just left it alone for about a month.
[07:16:34] <sysmonk> ghm
[07:16:38] <kuja> I wasn't using it.
[07:16:50] <sysmonk> my first guess would be rebuilding aliases file
[07:16:50] <kuja> It's not something I set up and tested to see if it worked from the beginning, I'm just jumping back to it now.
[07:17:03] <sysmonk> that's the usual problem for postfix not showing a banner
[07:17:18] <f3ew> !debug
[07:17:19] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[07:17:24] <sysmonk> and the logs issue - check your syslog daemon
[07:17:40] <kuja> I.. honestly don't think I have one running.
[07:17:40] <sysmonk> f3ew: "i can't seem to locate any log file on my system"
[07:17:41] <sysmonk> ;)
[07:18:04] <sysmonk> kuja: then that's your problem
[07:18:19] <kuja> May I paste 3 lines in the channel?
[07:19:10] <sysmonk> maybe use a pastebin, sometimes wen pasting 3 lines it makes into 6 lines ...
[07:19:18] <kuja> Sure.
[07:19:28] <sysmonk> when*
[07:19:34] <kuja> http://rafb.net/p/hoNude55.html
[07:19:52] <kuja> My virtual_mailbox_domains, virtual_alias_maps and virtual_mailbox_maps lines.
[07:20:01] <sysmonk> oh my, i see 'Nude55' in the pastebin url :P
[07:20:07] <kuja> lol
[07:21:00] <kuja> Oh, wait.
[07:21:08] <kuja> I see what might be wrong with my MySQL virtual-accounts.cf configuration.
[07:21:16] <kuja> Bad hostname.  Let's see if changing that fixes it =)
[07:21:16] <sysmonk> anyway, start your syslog daemon and check the logs, my guess would be a missing alaises database (aliases, not virtual aliases)
[07:22:18] <sysmonk> k, i'm outto $workplace
[07:22:24] <kuja> Bye, thanks for the help
[07:22:33] <kuja> Hm, doesn't seem I have syslogd installed =p
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[10:11:31] <groton> how to prevent the appearing of the domain name in a message sent by postfix like in: "Received from .... by mydomain.com (Postfix) with ..." I would like mydomain.com does not appear in there (to prevent spam). But Postfix should direct a mail to "user at mydomain dot com" when a mail to "username" is sent.
[10:13:15] <groton> Actually i noticed that if i change to "myhostname = dummydomain.com" in main.cf i get what i want for the first part of my question above, but then i the second part does not work (mail directed to "user" are sent to "user at dummydomain dot com" instead :/
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[10:16:02] <kuja> Is there any reason why Postfix would deliver my mail to /var/mail/{USER} when I clearly specified a virtual_mailbox_base?
[10:16:51] <xmb> maybe its not for unix users w/o @dom
[10:17:17] <kuja> It's configured to read accounts from MySQL
[10:17:28] <xmb> dunno anyway
[10:17:53] <sysmonk> kuja: maybe because it delivers via local and not virtual?
[10:18:10] <kuja> How do I check for sure? (sorry for sounding incapable)
[10:18:12] <sysmonk> virtual aliases/domains != virtual users
[10:18:31] <sysmonk> kuja: pastebin an example of a delivery ( log part)
[10:18:43] <kuja> Hm.. you're probably right.
[10:18:54] <kuja> I just tried sending an e-mail to a user who exist in the mysql table but not on the system
[10:19:00] <kuja> And it failed with "unknown user"
[10:20:26] <kuja> sysmonk: How can I make it not use local transport, and instead virtual..
[10:20:47] <sysmonk> make it virtual ;)
[10:21:06] <sysmonk> put it in virtual_mailbox_domains
[10:21:12] <sysmonk> and remove from mydestination
[10:22:09] <kuja> Ah :o
[10:22:43] <kuja> sysmonk: It's in mydestination because it's $myhostname
[10:26:40] <sysmonk> didn't your moma tell ya to use fqdn for servers?
[10:26:46] <sysmonk> like server.domain.com
[10:26:47] <sysmonk> :)
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[10:28:16] <xmb> uhm
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[10:29:57] <kuja> sysmonk: I was eager... my mail. MX entry didn't get processed yet :p
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[10:32:41] <munga_> hello. I've a trasport that relays everything from foo.localnet.org to smtp:mail.localnet.org. It is working for most addresses bar at foo dot localnet.org, but not for all, failing with a "user unknonw in local recipient table" . IS the local receipent table supposed to be looked up if I've a transport ?
[10:33:18] <sysmonk> munga_: yes
[10:34:26] <munga_> sysmonk: ok... but this means that all the local recepients on foo.localnet.org must be local receients on the gateway ...
[10:34:59] <munga_> I want to use a transport to delegate everything to foo.localnet.org ...
[10:35:37] <f3ew> then remove the domain from mydestination
[10:35:42] <f3ew> and add it to relay_domains
[10:35:46] <munga_> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:35:46] <knoba> munga_: Error: "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" is not a valid command.
[10:36:01] <munga_> yesssss ok...
[10:36:21] <chris1205> hi guys am running postfix and dovecot on a fedora 7 box. I can send mail but when I try receiving it I get the following error msg...
[10:37:15] <munga_> thanks f3ew ... well spotted !
[10:37:19] <f3ew> #dovecot
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[10:37:52] <f3ew> munga_ once you understand address classification, it's easy
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[10:48:48] <kuja> sysmonk: got it.  thanks :)
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[11:03:00] <mgco3> hy there
[11:04:10] <mgco3> got a little question... mail.domain.com points to another server then domain.com... now im trying send emails via php to domain.com but postfix always tries to relay dem local... any hints?
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[11:08:06] <robban> Hi, how can I forward mail based on ip?
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[11:11:44] <robban> Meaning all mail coming from a certain smtp server will be forwarded to another smtp server
[11:12:23] <wietze> good morning, Im wondering if there is a way to combine real users and virtual users and keeping those two configurations seperated?
[11:13:22] <f3ew> As long as you can keep the domains separate
[11:13:38] <f3ew> robban, a mix of check_client_access and FILTER
[11:14:00] <f3ew> mgco3, because you have domain.com listed in mydestination
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[11:16:20] <wietze> f3ew: I can; could you give me a pointer in the right direction ?
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[11:20:45] <mgco3> f3ew, uhm.. thanks..   stupid question sry ;)
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[11:44:58] <robban> f3ew: Thanks. Any chance you could point me in the direction of examples / documentation on this?
[11:47:30] <f3ew> FILTER_README
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[11:57:52] <robban> f3ew: Thanks
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[14:35:53] <tcpsyn> morning
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[14:56:05] <tcpsyn> I want to use a postfix server as a master.. basically, if someone emails me@myserver I want myserver to relay that message through our relay to me@mydomain
[14:56:08] <tcpsyn> what's that called?
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[14:56:48] <Dominian> !relayhost
[14:56:49] <knoba> Dominian: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[14:57:30] <tcpsyn> Dominian, I get that, I can send mail, and it'll relay...
[14:57:37] <tcpsyn> but I want it to change the address
[14:57:55] <tcpsyn> me@myserver -> server ->  relay -> me@mydomain
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[15:00:19] <tcpsyn> Nov 10 04:14:19 myserver postfix/smtp[18664]: C63CA64649: to=<me at myserver dot my.domain.com>, relay=relay.mydomain.com
[15:00:22] <tcpsyn> like this.
[15:00:48] <tcpsyn> this is sent to the relay.. but no mailbox exists at me at myserver dot my.domain.com
[15:00:55] <tcpsyn> so I need that translated to me at mydomain dot com
[15:03:40] <tcpsyn> ohh. address masquerading?
[15:04:07] <lunaphyte_> tcpsyn: see http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html
[15:04:13] <tcpsyn> thanks.
[15:04:50] <lunaphyte_> !relay_domains
[15:04:51] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
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[15:11:31] <tcpsyn> it's quite possible this is the most confusing documentation I have ever read
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[15:13:52] <tcpsyn> recipient_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/myrecipientmap
[15:13:54] <tcpsyn> that?
[15:14:54] <lunaphyte_> !tias
[15:14:54] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "tias" : Try It And See
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[15:52:05] <stainer_> could someone try opening a browser to 70.243.240.252 and letting me know if it is up? I think work may be blocking my home server.
[15:52:37] <onre> nope, doesn't work.
[15:52:44] <stainer_> hmm
[15:52:48] <stainer_> thanks a ton
[15:52:51] <onre> np
[15:53:11] <stainer_> I know it is up. User stainer is me... something must have broke
[15:53:49] <onre> apparently :/
[15:54:37] <stainer_> I added vmware. I'll bet that is the problem. I should be a detective. :)
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[15:55:58] <stainer_> anyway, thank you for the help
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[15:59:14] <xmb_> looks like its iptables away
[15:59:29] <xmb_> 'ed
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[16:07:17] <tcpsyn> ok
[16:07:23] <tcpsyn> I got it to do what I want...
[16:07:35] <tcpsyn> but, my recipient map has a problem.
[16:07:38] <tcpsyn> @rxadmin.rxstores.cvs.com @cvs.com
[16:07:44] <tcpsyn> I have that in my recipient map.
[16:08:01] <lunaphyte_> you work for cvs?
[16:08:14] <tcpsyn> yes
[16:08:23] <lunaphyte_> i'm sorry.  i can't help you then.
[16:08:33] <tcpsyn> why?
[16:09:09] <tcpsyn> if I send a message to my at cvs dot com@rxadmin.rxstores.cvs.com... it rewrites as me at cvs dot com@cvs.com
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[16:09:17] <dam85> hello
[16:09:21] <lunaphyte_> nothing personal.  they screwed me over once and i made a commitment to not patronize them any longer. :)
[16:09:39] <dam85> how to set the ip address to use in postfix?
[16:09:52] <lunaphyte_> dam85: define "use".
[16:09:59] <tcpsyn> yea, I did that with dunkin donuts once. Hate them. Rather drink gas station coffee.
[16:10:33] <f3ew> heh
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[16:11:33] * f3ew likes virtual_alias_maps for this
[16:11:44] <tcpsyn> for what
[16:11:50] <f3ew> address rewriting
[16:11:52] <dam85> lunaphyte_: i set an ip to MX record mail.website.com
[16:11:57] <tcpsyn> instead of recipient?
[16:12:02] <f3ew> yes
[16:12:05] <dam85> so i want the email s are sent from this ip address
[16:12:25] <dam85> now it's use default server ip address
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[16:12:34] <f3ew> why are you sending to my at cvs dot com@rxadmin.rxstores.cvs.com anyway?
[16:12:42] <f3ew> !smtp_bind_address
[16:12:56] <tcpsyn> f3ew, I have noidea, they have some scripts that are using that format..
[16:13:08] <knoba`> f3ew: "smtp_bind_address" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: An optional numerical network address that the SMTP client should bind to when making a connection.
[16:13:12] <tcpsyn> Looks stupid to me anyway, everythings already set up to relay
[16:13:18] <tcpsyn> but alas
[16:13:22] <tcpsyn> I do what I'm told
[16:13:23] <lunaphyte_> we had taken some photos there to be developed, after a vacation.  they completely destroyed them, and then wouldn't take ownership of the situation.  the girl kept trying to make this bogus distinction between her and "the machine", and was insisting that it wasn't cvs' fault, it was "the machine's" fault.
[16:13:31] <dam85> ok
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[16:13:55] <tcpsyn> lunaphyte_, ......
[16:14:02] <tcpsyn> lunaphyte_, sorry?
[16:14:31] <lunaphyte_> i can accept that stuff like that happens, from time to time - but when the manager says that he believes that replacing 3 rolls of film is doing right by the customer, that's bogus.  he wasn't even interested in covering the cost of the other rolls that came out ok, which i thought was really the least they could have done.
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[16:14:43] <lunaphyte_> heh - it's ok.  just reminiscing. :)
[16:15:09] <tcpsyn> I thought you were going to say they put oxycontin in your lipitor or something
[16:15:24] <lunaphyte_> that would have been a hell of a ride.
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[16:18:53] <dam85> perfect
[16:18:54] <dam85> works!
[16:18:56] <dam85> thanks
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[16:22:03] <tcpsyn> can I rewrite a second time?
[16:22:15] <tcpsyn> me@mydomain@myrelay
[16:22:25] <tcpsyn> and then me@myddomain@mydomain
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[16:26:17] <f3ew> yes
[16:27:26] <tcpsyn> man.
[16:27:32] <tcpsyn> can't say I'm a fan of mail administration
[16:28:17] <tcpsyn> simply I want... if the user isn't a local user, relay to user at cvs dot com
[16:28:20] <f3ew> depends on how painful it gets
[16:28:32] <f3ew> with the same username?
[16:28:35] <tcpsyn> so host -> server -> relay
[16:28:38] <tcpsyn> with the same username, yeah
[16:28:51] <rob0> it hurts so good ;)
[16:28:56] <tcpsyn> clients relay to this server
[16:29:00] <tcpsyn> this server relays to another server
[16:29:05] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#some_local
[16:29:16] <f3ew> It's in TFM
[16:29:25] <f3ew> One of the first two docs you need to be reading
[16:29:38] <tcpsyn> so from the client, me@mydomain me@server me@mydomain@server should all go through
[16:29:47] * f3ew shrugs
[16:29:52] <tcpsyn> f3e2, you know how many times I've read TFM?
[16:29:58] <tcpsyn> many
[16:30:07] <f3ew> tcpsyn I pointed you to the exact doc :)
[16:30:41] <dam85> hotmail does reverse dns to prevent SPAM emails right?
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[16:30:56] <tcpsyn> f3ew, yeah, that's a virtual alias for root
[16:31:00] <tcpsyn> not really what I need.
[16:31:08] <f3ew> uh, same thing you want
[16:31:26] <jra> luser_relay?
[16:31:38] <f3ew> if local => deliver to user@localhost, if not rewrite to user@remote, and deliver
[16:31:46] <tcpsyn> f3ew, not if I have to individually specify each account it isn't.
[16:31:54] <f3ew> the remote server just needs to handle whatever name you like
[16:32:28] <f3ew> Alternatively, per user transport_maps, driven by whatever backend you store the data in
[16:32:33] <f3ew> Have a LDAP server?
[16:32:46] <tcpsyn> course not
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[16:33:14] <f3ew> SQL?
[16:33:25] * f3ew notes that listing all your users is fairly easy
[16:33:50] <tcpsyn> f3ew, I want it global.
[16:34:00] <tcpsyn> if user is not local, or not in /etc/aliases
[16:34:08] <tcpsyn> then the address is @cvs.com
[16:34:19] <tcpsyn> if the address is @cvs.com
[16:34:20] <tcpsyn> relay
[16:34:38] <tcpsyn> if the address is me at myserver@myrelay dot ..
[16:34:42] <tcpsyn> do the same
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[16:35:46] <tcpsyn> could I just use /etc/aliases as the alias map?
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[16:40:38] <Dakylla> hi
[16:41:11] <Dakylla> im searching for a solution to manage via a web interface postfix/spamassassin/courier/mysql backend
[16:41:25] <Dakylla> does something like that exists ?
[16:41:50] <tcpsyn> squirelmail?
[16:42:22] <Dakylla> tcpsyn: is not that a webmail only ?
[16:42:54] <Dakylla> im searching for a gui management for postfix with virtual domains based on mysql
[16:43:02] <tcpsyn> I don't know, I haven't used it in a long time. Maybe webmin'
[16:45:15] <Verilium> Have you looked at postfixadmin?
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[16:45:35] <Verilium> That would seem to fit what you're looking for.
[16:47:34] <tcpsyn> I don't understand why I would want to use a virtual domain.
[16:47:37] <Dakylla> Verilium: no, im going to checkit out
[16:47:45] <tcpsyn> considering I'm only using one domain.
[16:48:03] <Dakylla> tcpsyn: for webmin, i don't really like it, don't know why :)
[16:48:07] <tcpsyn> with a bunch of subdomain
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[16:50:04] <Verilium> Dakylla:  I'm using it with about 20 domains, and it works out very well, imo.
[16:50:39] <Dakylla> im on it :)
[16:51:24] <Verilium> I'm not using the latest version though, which seems to have improved on a few things.
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[16:56:00] <Dakylla> Verilium: thx
[16:56:10] <Dakylla> im going to install it
[16:56:15] <Dakylla> to test it out
[16:56:50] <tcpsyn> ok
[16:56:59] <tcpsyn> so, if I send a message to me
[16:57:01] <tcpsyn> from the localhost
[16:57:03] <tcpsyn> mailx me
[16:57:33] <tcpsyn> relays to the relay server to me at myhost dot mydomain
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[16:57:40] <tcpsyn> when I want it to relay to me@mydomain
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[17:00:34] <qbwdp> hello, how are things here
[17:01:37] <qbwdp> i wanted to put wild cards in a hash file, but after a test i saw that it did not work. i did example.*  OK .  whats the format of using wild cards in a hash file if it is possible?
[17:01:58] <rob0> mailx is **not** the easiest MUA to use. If you're using that you have to understand sendmail(1) and various postconf(5) settings too.
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[17:03:15] <sebastiandeutsch> elho: trying to figure out how virtual_alias_maps work through mysql, created a simple query but it still returns that the user is unknown
[17:03:30] <rob0> !postmapq
[17:03:31] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined "transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" you may check this mapping by running "postmap -q domain.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf" and see if it works.
[17:03:42] <rob0> seb^^
[17:04:03] <mrichman> If example.com has mandatory TLS, and example.com is in my list of relay_domains, how can I test that a message gets successfully relayed via TLS to example.com?
[17:04:16] <Dominian> logs
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[17:05:09] <mrichman> well, i mean how can i test using a script or something?
[17:05:09] <rob0> Dominian, if we had a buck for every question here that the answer is "read your logs" ...
[17:05:34] <Dominian> rob0: hehe
[17:05:35] <mrichman> i.e. telnet example.com 25, or openssl s_client, etc?
[17:05:45] <Dominian> mrichman: just send an email and monitor the logs
[17:06:09] <sebastiandeutsch> rob0: thank you - I will read logs ;-)
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[17:06:27] <rob0> seb, you already did :)
[17:06:39] <rob0> !unknown_virtual
[17:06:40] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
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[17:10:46] <mrichman> what console app can I use to send an email? telnetting wont get me TLS
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[17:16:49] <sekhmet> mrichman: Most console apps that I'm aware of just submit mail via the system sendmail binary
[17:17:11] <mrichman> sekhmet: yes, i just did mail -s "subject" user at example dot com etc.
[17:17:18] <mrichman> sekhmet: and i'm tailing mail.log
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[17:19:40] <mrichman> looks like TLS is working. In my log I see: Untrusted TLS connection established to cluster12.us.example.com[216.82.253.XX]:25: TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
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[17:32:28] <mrichman> What do I do about this warning (if anything): untrusted issuer /C=GB/O=Trustis Limited/OU=Trustis FPS Root CA
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[17:54:06] <mattx86> why am I still getting queue file size limit exceeded?  http://pastebin.com/m5f95fb3f
[17:54:43] <mattx86> I've got my size limits set around 64MB, and I'm attempting to send a 60MB file
[17:55:29] <jra> base64 inflation?
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[17:56:25] <jra> increases attachments by almost 20%, I'd guess
[17:59:05] <mattx86> well, I just tried a 50MB file, and still no go
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[17:59:27] <jeev> mattx86, there's this cool ass thing called ftp
[17:59:28] <jeev> lol
[17:59:57] <mattx86> heh, I know, but I'm not the one needing to e-mail such large files :o
[18:00:09] <jeev> tell the corporate ass hats
[18:00:11] <jeev> to use ftp
[18:00:12] <mattx86> course, I could suggest it to them  hehe
[18:00:12] <jeev> i hate those people!
[18:00:15] <jeev> i'm tired of hearing
[18:00:17] <jeev> "how can we email blast"
[18:00:19] <jeev> SHUT THE FUCK Up
[18:00:23] <jeev> it's called a mass mail or smething
[18:01:21] <mattx86> :)
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[18:10:10] <Trengo> 50%
[18:10:27] <lunaphyte_> that is completely asinine.  who are the recipients of this 50+ mb attachment?
[18:10:36] <Trengo> email is not the best medium for sending huge files
[18:10:48] <Trengo> consider FTP or even HTTP
[18:10:59] <lunaphyte_> put a damn link to the file in the email.
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[18:11:20] <jelly> mattx86: for a 10MB attachment you need a 10MB * 4 / 3 limit
[18:11:43] <lunaphyte_> shoving bandwidth consumption down unsuspecting people's throats is way way out of line.  i would flat out refuse to do that.
[18:11:48] <jelly> plus a few KB for headers/MIME encapsulation
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[18:15:09] <raker4058> Hi, I run a server that spam filters for domains in which I don't have the user lists for.  I would like to drop/delete messages that end up "User Unknown" after attempting transport... is there a config option to do this?
[18:17:46] <mattx86> what's the maximum message limit you guys think is fair and/or standard?
[18:18:39] <mattx86> jelly: yeah, I believe that got it.  I tried a 40MB test file and it seems it went through.
[18:19:27] <jelly> mattx86: 20MB gross (14 net) seems reasonable
[18:22:11] <seekwill> raker4058: It's better to reject the message during SMTP for user unknowns
[18:22:53] <raker4058> seekwill: i understand that... but I don't have user lists to keep on this server...
[18:23:00] <mattx86> jelly: ok
[18:23:07] <seekwill> raker4058: You should
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[18:23:30] <raker4058> seekwill: we can discuss customers that don't want to cooperate if you want... :)
[18:24:04] <seekwill> raker4058: What do you mean customers?
[18:24:13] <jelly> yes.  those are called "soon to be ex-customers"
[18:24:27] <raker4058> sigh...
[18:24:39] <raker4058> thanks for the help guys :P
[18:24:41] <seekwill> raker4058: If they are your customers, it is your responsibility to provide them with the right way of doing things.
[18:24:58] <seekwill> What are you going to do with messages that are no flagged as spam but have no valid rcptto?
[18:25:51] <raker4058> I am attempting to move these customers from a legacy server not maintained by me that was setup without local user lists...
[18:26:08] <raker4058> I have 30 domains which don't want to move to a proper setup.
[18:26:18] <raker4058> I have 400 domains that are fine
[18:26:33] <raker4058> this isn't a question of ... do I know how to setup a mailserver
[18:26:58] <raker4058> this is me dealing with a legacy gaping problem... and wondering if there is anything I can do to throttle things down in the mean time so I'm not stuck with an unmanageable queue
[18:28:12] <jelly> you could do forward lookup on the addresses for those domains only, I guess
[18:28:30] <jelly> what's that misfeature called...
[18:28:37] <raker4058> forward lookup...
[18:29:04] <raker4058> not familiar with that
[18:30:38] <jelly> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html#recipient
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[18:34:41] <JonMarkGo> I have set up postfix with virtual users in a mysql database. It seems to be working, but I can only connect with telnet (both locally and remotely), thunderbird is unable to cnnect to smtp from my home computer
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[18:35:35] <JonMarkGo> Nothing even shows up in maillog when I try
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[18:37:15] <seekwill> JonMarkGo: Firewall? Is postfix listening to the outside world?
[18:37:22] <seekwill> oh
[18:37:26] <JonMarkGo> I can connect from a remote server using telnet
[18:37:39] <seekwill> Sorry, missed that
[18:37:50] <seekwill> I say wrong TB settings :)
[18:38:05] <JonMarkGo> TB?
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[18:38:24] <seekwill> Fine... :P
[18:38:29] <seekwill> ThunderBird
[18:38:55] <JonMarkGo> Oh
[18:38:58] <JonMarkGo> Hm
[18:39:33] <seekwill> From your home computer, can you connect via telnet?
[18:39:45] <seekwill> Some ISPs block outgoing 25 (I think ALL should..)
[18:42:40] <lunaphyte_> i think the government should block all cars from going faster than 25 miles an hour since the number of fatalities dramatically increases above that speed.
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[18:43:16] <seekwill> Yeah, that would be awesome
[18:43:23] <seekwill> Save on gas
[18:44:06] * cpm chuckles
[18:44:51] <cpm> since 37% of highway fatalities are caused by folks driving impaired, it follows that 63% are caused by sober drivers. Let's get these killers off the road!
[18:45:01] <JonMarkGo> Hm
[18:45:06] <JonMarkGo> How would I make postfix listen on port 26?
[18:45:12] <cpm> why?
[18:45:23] <JonMarkGo> Since I can't access 25
[18:45:35] * cpm sighs
[18:45:38] <lunaphyte_> in what way?
[18:45:40] <growltiger_> use submission
[18:45:48] <cpm> and what will making postfix listen on port 26 do for you?
[18:46:20] <cpm> JonMarkGo, what problem are you trying to solve.
[18:46:34] <cpm> changing the listening port of postfix won't accomplish much, will break what does work.
[18:47:07] <cpm> if you are trying to submit mail, and can't because the port is blocked upstream, then use submission, (which you should anyway).
[18:47:11] <cpm> !submission
[18:47:12] <knoba> cpm: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[18:47:34] <mrichman> that's 587/tcp, yes?
[18:47:47] <lunaphyte_> indeed
[18:48:10] <lunaphyte_> yanked directly from your services file, presumably.
[18:48:13] <cpm> mrichman, correect
[18:48:16] <cpm> mrichman, correct
[18:48:37] <JonMarkGo> Basically, my problem is that I can only access postfix from telnet
[18:48:42] <JonMarkGo> But my home computer is unable to reach it
[18:48:45] <cpm> just uncomment the (entire section) of the port 587 stuff in master.cf, then stop and start postfix. done.
[18:49:52] <seekwill> That doesn't sound right...
[18:50:09] <lunaphyte_> i think that description should be re-worded.
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[18:51:42] <cpm> what description?
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[18:51:56] <lunaphyte_> of his problem.
[18:52:02] <cpm> lunaphyte, I agree
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[18:53:19] <lunaphyte_> basically, my problem is that this apple doesn't taste good, but i can't reach the apple. :)
[18:54:42] <JonMarkGo> Hm
[18:54:56] <JonMarkGo> I've tried it from a different computer, and postfix is working fine, but wont let me authenticate...
[18:55:09] <JonMarkGo> It always says it failed, even when I'm using my proper password
[18:55:53] <seekwill> What?
[18:55:56] <JonMarkGo> SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[18:58:20] <JonMarkGo> How can I properly investigate why it is failing?
[18:59:49] <lunaphyte_> man, you are all over the map.
[19:00:02] <JonMarkGo> Sorry, I figured out why I couldn't connect (local issues)
[19:00:09] <JonMarkGo> Now I can connect, and I am unable to authenticate
[19:00:38] <lunaphyte_> like a loose hose in a room full of kids :p
[19:00:43] <lunaphyte_> !sasl
[19:00:44] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[19:05:00] <mrichman> when I send email, the from field says mark@hostname instead of mark at hostname dot com...how can i fix this?
[19:05:53] <lunaphyte_> set the from address in your mua.
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[19:06:35] <seekwill> hostname.com?  domain.com?
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[19:23:05] <JonMarkGo> I've enabled verbose logging
[19:23:13] <JonMarkGo> Postfix/sasl is decrypting the username and password properly..
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[19:31:02] <JonMarkGo> The sasl request is properly passed to authdaemond
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[19:32:56] <mrhavi> i have a question.. im new to post fix.. can i ask in here
[19:33:20] <lunaphyte_> !ask
[19:33:20] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "ask" : If you have a question, just ask. Precise questions lead to precise answers. Vague descriptions of your problem will get you nowhere. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[19:33:33] <mrichman> seekwill: mark at hostname dot domain.com
[19:35:24] <mrhavi> i have webmin installed running on the latest of ubuntudesktop im trying to set up pop3 or imap. i belive i have both installed im not understanding if i have everything running. When i use my pc with outlook 2007 i get prompted for a password and the one i put in is not correct. help
[19:36:15] <onre> postfix does smtp. not pop3 or imap. wrong channel.
[19:36:25] <mrhavi> hmmm
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[19:37:07] <mrhavi> well lets just say i was trying to send an email.. how would i know its set up correctly...
[19:37:29] <onre> well, send one to yourself and see if it ever arrives? doh.
[19:37:34] <mrhavi> i tryed to run echo "test" | mail -s testsubject someemail at hotmailorwherever dot com  but it didnt work
[19:37:44] <seekwill> mrhavi: Why do you want to setup your own mailserver? Just use something like Gmail or Yahoo
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[19:39:06] <mrhavi> well because I dont like limits. is this not the right place to go for help. im new
[19:39:32] <seekwill> mrhavi: What kind of limits? You'll always be running into limits. Limits are there for a good reason too
[19:39:48] <lunaphyte_> nothing wrong with being new.  what have you tried so far?
[19:39:51] <mrhavi> email limits using outlook
[19:40:01] <adaptr> nothing to do with outhouse
[19:40:06] <mrhavi> it your domain godaddy 250 relays
[19:40:06] <adaptr> message size limit ?
[19:40:17] <seekwill> You can use Outlook with Gmail or Yahoo
[19:40:35] <seekwill> mrhavi: You really send more than 250 emails?
[19:40:54] <mrhavi> actually 5000 plus a day
[19:41:00] <mrhavi> and no not just me
[19:41:06] <mrhavi> we use an exchange server
[19:41:14] <adaptr> thanks for playing
[19:41:16] <seekwill> mrhavi: Consider outsourcing it.
[19:41:25] <mrhavi> why do you say that?
[19:41:37] <seekwill> mrhavi: Email isn't for the faint of heart
[19:41:58] <adaptr> where faint of heart === Exchange administrator
[19:42:01] <seekwill> With so many spammers these days, you're going to need a dedicated postmaster guy, or just out source it
[19:42:13] <seekwill> Exchange is a fine service :P
[19:42:36] <adaptr> yes, but any goof with half a year of computer experience can run it
[19:42:44] <adaptr> and I do mean total experience
[19:42:47] <seekwill> mrhavi: Companies like Message Labs can help you. They will be your edge MTA and allow you to send email and block spam/viruses, and work excellent with Exchange
[19:43:05] <seekwill> adaptr: That's the point, right?
[19:43:11] <mrhavi> hmmm well i was wanting to learn it
[19:43:19] <mrhavi> not outsource it
[19:43:35] <lunaphyte_> go for it.
[19:43:36] <seekwill> mrhavi: I wouldn't do it for your company until you learn it
[19:43:43] <mrhavi> just thought i could get help
[19:43:44] <lunaphyte_> set it up at home, and play with it and learn.
[19:43:50] <mrhavi> i know thats why i have a test lab at home
[19:43:52] <adaptr> seekwill: it's M$'s point
[19:44:16] <lunaphyte_> you can get lots of help here - but we don't do much hand holding or spoon feeding.
[19:44:17] <seekwill> mrhavi: Get the book "The Book of Postfix". That will help you with the MTA side of things. Yet sadly, that's about...10% of your adminstration problems.
[19:44:50] <mrhavi> interesting... so can you tell me why you would use postfix?
[19:45:05] <seekwill> Because I'm the guy you outsource too :P
[19:45:15] <lunaphyte_> eh - we're not really salesmen.
[19:45:30] <seekwill> lunaphyte: Which is why no one knows who I work for
[19:45:32] <mrhavi> haha
[19:45:40] <lunaphyte_> i'll rephrase that.  i'm not really a salesman.
[19:46:03] <mrhavi> well.. i guess i meant postfix over any other mta
[19:46:06] <seekwill> mrhavi: Spam/virus filtering, and delivery to major ISPs are going to be your biggest headaches
[19:46:24] <mrhavi> i like headaches
[19:46:34] <seekwill> I use Postfix because sysmonk does
[19:46:55] <mrhavi> and sysmonk is?
[19:47:00] * seekwill gasps
[19:47:04] <seekwill> You don't know>?
[19:47:05] <mrhavi> hahahah
[19:47:26] <seekwill> mrhavi: Get the book. Read it. Get your MTA set up. Then come back.
[19:47:39] <mrhavi> alright
[19:47:46] <seekwill> It is the best book in the whole world
[19:47:52] <mrhavi> really
[19:47:54] <seekwill> Yeah
[19:48:00] * adaptr uses sysmonk because Wietse recommended him
[19:48:02] <seekwill> I would marry it if they passed the law
[19:48:09] <adaptr> treehugger!
[19:48:18] <seekwill> adaptr: Bedroom talk...
[19:48:29] <mrhavi> alright but the book of postfix
[19:48:43] <adaptr> yes, that's the one
[19:48:48] <mrhavi> thats the almighty book huh
[19:48:59] <seekwill> Yes
[19:50:40] <seekwill> mrhavi: Be prepared. If you're going to be hosting your own email, to be a dedicated postmaster
[19:50:49] <seekwill> (depending on how many users/mail/etc...)
[19:50:51] <JonMarkGo> I've dug into my logs more. the auth data is properly passed to postfix, which properly passes it to smtpauth, which properly passes it to authdameond, which never actually performs the expected sql query to look up the user data..
[19:51:12] <mrhavi> i guess my biggest problem guys is we had an issue 3 months ago where some guy did 50000 emails from his computer and we got blacklisted. its a capital company. Anyways huge issues with getting back to normal. it was bad
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[19:51:26] <seekwill> mrhavi: :)
[19:51:37] <adaptr> mrhavi: that's where limits come in very handy
[19:51:42] <seekwill> :)
[19:51:43] <JonMarkGo> Anyone know why authdaemond wouldn't be checking mysql?
[19:51:43] <cite> mrhavi: So limit the volume of mail a single user can send. postfwd can do that for you.
[19:51:44] <adaptr> aaand we're back!
[19:51:51] <cite> mrhavi: As can other policy daemons.
[19:51:54] <seekwill> adaptr: NO LIMITS
[19:52:07] <adaptr> no no, nono no no, nono there's no.. erm.. sorry
[19:52:38] * seekwill has his way with adaptr
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[19:52:54] <mrhavi> well i service many corp companys however all ms server 2008 NO linux.. :( Its not that i want to limit someone
[19:53:11] <adaptr> and again, how will using a proper MTA limit anything or anybody ?
[19:53:15] <adaptr> except spammers, that is
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[19:54:56] <ehird> programs in .forward - what user are they run as ?
[19:55:04] <mrhavi> adaptr im wanting another fail safe.. as well as allowing say a employee to send 3-5g of emails out. without getting blacklisted. And as well learn something new.. My life is boring and i think i need to go by more servers
[19:55:08] <adaptr> ehird: guess
[19:55:21] <ehird> adaptr: helpful
[19:55:29] <adaptr> mrhavi: there is no conceivable legitimate use to send out 5GB worth of email in a single session
[19:55:37] <adaptr> ehird: who owns the .forward file
[19:55:42] <ehird> adaptr: ok
[19:55:44] <ehird> that user i guess
[19:55:44] <ehird> :p
[19:55:49] <JonMarkGo> I am getting these errors now: Nov 10 18:56:14 newinstance postfix/smtpd[6741]: sql_select option missing
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[19:55:55] <JonMarkGo> Nov 10 18:56:14 newinstance postfix/smtpd[6741]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available
[19:55:56] <adaptr> ehird: more helpful than you may understand, as I am not asking you to strain yourself, merely to understand the basics of your OS
[19:56:13] * cpm doesn't understand adaptr
[19:56:27] <ehird> adaptr: Yes, because what a root-usered mail server executes commands as is a basic of my OS.
[19:56:27] <adaptr> that was sort of the point, obsolet-ey
[19:56:38] <mrhavi> adaptr.. why not.. very simple people need to tell the brokers what the deal is... and thats done every 2 days
[19:56:39] <adaptr> root-usered ? what is that ?
[19:57:04] <cite> mrhavi: Do you realize how many mails you can send in a single session of 5GB transfer volume?
[19:57:19] <mrhavi> ohhh im sorry
[19:57:26] <mrhavi> wait
[19:57:38] <mrhavi> not 5gigabytes
[19:57:43] <adaptr> 50 ?
[19:57:58] <mrhavi> 5000 seprate emails
[19:58:05] <mrhavi> using act
[19:58:07] <cite> I got 50GB mail traffic on christmas an new year's eve.
[19:58:13] <mrhavi> ohhh
[19:58:26] <adaptr> mrhavi: Act is itself an evil incarnation
[19:58:28] <cite> But never, ever any other time.
[19:58:36] <mrhavi> hahah ok
[19:58:51] <mrhavi> have you heard or used phplist
[19:59:34] <cite> mrhavi: There is absolutely no way those 5k mails have to be sent out with a normal user identity.
[19:59:43] <cite> mrhavi: After all, that's what mailing lists are for.
[19:59:43] <JonMarkGo> In what file is the location of smtpd.conf defined?
[19:59:58] <growltiger> ?
[19:59:59] <cite> mrhavi: Do you realize you can limit users electively?
[20:00:23] <cite> selectiptly
[20:00:25] <cite> Damnit.
[20:00:35] <mrhavi> hold the boat!!
[20:00:42] <mrhavi> your not understanding
[20:00:48] <cite> Row, row, row the boat, gently down th street?
[20:00:53] <mrhavi> yes
[20:01:08] <cpm> selecticipity!
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[20:01:46] <chep> hello
[20:01:50] <growltiger> hi!
[20:01:51] <growltiger> wb
[20:01:56] <cite> This discussion is stupid. Apply limits when you realize you need them. Don't do premature optimization. Have a backup plan when your primary mailgatewy gets blacklsited.
[20:01:56] <mrhavi> cite........ 4k 5k 6k what does it matter.. the point is the have a list of brokers.. they need to contact them
[20:01:59] <chep> I have a stupid, close to FAQ problem with outbound mail with TLS enabled on debian lenny
[20:02:00] <chep>  things worked great with postfix up to 2.4 (including the second instance of saslauthd, private to postfix chroot)
[20:02:05] <chep> now I'm on postfix 2.5, I'm stuck with a "fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms"
[20:02:10] <chep> I can still hit the backups for the last "known good" postfix-2.4.x_y.deb, but if there's something trivial I forgot, I'll gladly take the advice...
[20:02:32] <growltiger> you will have to recompile postfix with your chosen auth mechanism
[20:02:37] <chep> uh
[20:02:39] <chep> PAM ?
[20:02:45] <adaptr> mrhavi: so enable them to send out a single mail to a server-side mailing list, which will take care of all
[20:02:46] <sysmonk> er, what?
[20:02:50] <cite> chep: saslauthd with PAM authentication?
[20:02:56] <chep> yes cite, growl
[20:03:00] <sysmonk> growltiger: recompile postfix with chosen auth mechanism?!
[20:03:03] <chep> but it's compiled in the debian package already
[20:03:06] <adaptr> mrhavi: I think Exchange already does that
[20:03:06] <growltiger> oh
[20:03:11] <cite> chep: You are missing sasl2-modules.
[20:03:20] <seekwill> adaptr: (sorry, afk) 5GB in a single session? bah! Yeah there are. Legit bulk mailers. Think mailinglists for big companies like walmart, target, bofa...
[20:03:25] <mrhavi> cite i dont know where you came in.. im still learning.. i dont work with postfix.. and was asking a question or 2
[20:03:27] <growltiger> i had to install form source to get 2.5
[20:03:33] <chep> E: Couldn't find package sasl2-modules
[20:03:50] <mrhavi> exchange wont work with php that i understand
[20:03:59] <cite> chep: libsasl2-modules?
[20:04:00] <mrhavi> i not to mention dkim
[20:04:05] <cite> chep: apt-file search libplain.so?
[20:04:07] <chep> libsasl2-modules is installed already
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[20:04:22] <adaptr> mrhavi: Exchange doesn;t NEED anything else - create a DL, allow mr X to send to it
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[20:04:35] <chep> I have actually already added a "tar cf - /usr/lib/sasl2 2>/dev/null |tar xf -" line in /etc/init.d/postfix
[20:04:50] <chep> because they were there but not quite copied deep enough into the chroot
[20:04:51] <adaptr> mrhavi: and if your ISP blacklists you for sending a few thousand mails.. well, perhaps get a real ISP
[20:05:07] <mrhavi> like....
[20:05:29] <adaptr> I don't know, I am not in your situation
[20:05:30] <seekwill> mrhavi: You really should contract with a company that specializes in this
[20:05:35] <seekwill> There are many out there
[20:05:38] <adaptr> I cannot imagine my ISP having any say in what I do or do not send
[20:05:58] <kdog> why would the internal host I'm forwarding to get resolved to my external address when I telnet to it from the console and I get the internal server?
[20:06:02] <mrhavi> well i dont think it was the isp.. its was gmail.. yahoo. hotmail
[20:06:15] <chep> whoa, apt-file sure does have a TON of dependencies
[20:06:30] <adaptr> yes, and they complain because you send gazillions of email from a lousy home dynamic IP ?
[20:06:44] <adaptr> mrhavi: step one is to acquire a proper domain with a static net range
[20:06:46] <mrhavi> not this is a t3
[20:06:53] <seekwill> mrhavi: There's no one here that can help with that. That's purely an ISP relations issue. Get a  consultant :)
[20:06:53] <adaptr> no MAT will be likely to block you then
[20:07:03] <adaptr> *MTA
[20:07:03] <chep> cite: apt-file search libplain.so
[20:07:03] <chep> cyrus-sasl2-dbg: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/sasl2/libplain.so.2.0.22
[20:07:03] <chep> libsasl2-modules: /usr/lib/sasl2/libplain.so
[20:07:03] <chep> libsasl2-modules: /usr/lib/sasl2/libplain.so.2
[20:07:03] <chep> libsasl2-modules: /usr/lib/sasl2/libplain.so.2.0.22
[20:07:11] <adaptr> chep: I'm growing rather tired of your flooding
[20:07:11] * seekwill leaves again
[20:07:22] <chep> adaptr: ?
[20:07:39] <cite> chep: What's the setting of postconf smtpd_sasl_security_options
[20:07:44] <adaptr> half the text on the last 3 pages is you pasting configuration
[20:07:45] <mrichman> How do I ensure that postfix only listens on my private IP?
[20:08:02] <adaptr> mrichman: by telling it to ?
[20:08:07] <adaptr> !inet_interfaces
[20:08:08] <knoba> adaptr: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[20:08:48] <mrichman> thx
[20:09:14] <mrhavi> i was told in sending whatever amount of emails.. using senderid and domain keys when in place using say "postfix" i would not run into a problem
[20:09:41] <chep> cite: Oh, I see something there that might explain the thing.
[20:10:01] <cite> chep: Lemme guess: noanonymous, noplaintext? ;-)
[20:10:08] <chep> I have one entry with noanonymous, one with nonanonymous,noplaintext (but the TLS entry is single and without noplaintext)
[20:10:12] <chep> cite good call
[20:10:22] <JonMarkGo> Could someone please help me figure out why authdameond is not executing any sql queries when the only enabled module is authmysql?
[20:10:29] <chep> BUT won't that expose me to plaintext on the wire?
[20:10:57] <cite> chep: set smtpd_tls_auth_only
[20:11:00] <chep> I just can't have that (promiscuous laptop sleeps around a lot)
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[20:11:26] <chep> cite: OK
[20:11:41] <cite> Better yet, get another authentication backend ;-)
[20:12:04] <chep> cite: smtpd_sasl_security_options=nonanonymous, ditto for s_sasl_s_o, and tls_auth_only
[20:12:30] <JonMarkGo> Has anyone ever dealt with a problem like this?
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[20:12:44] <chep> cite: well; I don't care for having a complex *sql based auth backend if I can have something simple wrapped into TLS, for the purpose of very few users using evolution exclusively...
[20:13:16] <chep> cite: but I'll gladly take any reasonable alternative suggestions if you'd like to provide some..
[20:13:34] <cite> chep: I didn't know you had a small userbase.
[20:13:41] <chep> cite: np, I didn't tell
[20:14:13] <cite> chep: PLAIN/LOGIN auth is fine over TLS (well, if you don't use certificates generated by Debians old (and meanwhile patched) openssl libraries).
[20:14:44] <chep> cite: indeed, the SSL cert is recent (with a fresh private root cert put in on both sides)
[20:15:42] <chep> cite: back to my reqs; very few users: maintenance overhead is terribly expensive. Database a no-no, flat files well good enough. Not acceptable to have plain/login in cleartext on the wire. Full encryption of the outbound transaction a (meagre) plus over strong auth/cleartext
[20:16:12] <chep> seems to me that indeed plain+TLS is good enough for my purpose
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[20:22:59] <mrhavi> seekwill http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1593270011/ref=kinw_rke_rti_1
[20:24:03] <mrhavi> that look good
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[20:27:04] <tcpsyn> BAH!
[20:27:13] <tcpsyn> my rewrite rule is working great
[20:27:22] <tcpsyn> except it's rewriting my aliases too
[20:27:24] <tcpsyn> damnit
[20:27:50] <tcpsyn> myalias at myserver dot mydomain.com is getting rewritten as myalias at mydomain dot com
[20:28:10] <tcpsyn> I only want it to rewrite stuff that's not local
[20:28:20] <tcpsyn> what am I doing wrong?
[20:28:43] <adaptr> "rewrite rule" ? are you lost ? #apache is <-- thataway
[20:29:34] <tcpsyn> yea, recipientmap
[20:29:47] <tcpsyn> recipient_canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/myrecipientmap
[20:29:48] <tcpsyn> that
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[20:32:46] <chep> cite: I removed the "noplaintext" clause, added the smtpd_tls_auth_only. Had a successful TLS outbound. Will now check that TLS-less is rejected before a password crosses the wire, and that stuff comes back in still fine, but thanks for the help!
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[20:34:58] <chep> cite: MAIL FROM command failed: Must issue a STARTTLS command first. Success!!
[20:35:01] <chep> thank you very much
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[20:40:33] <tcpsyn> if I use the recipient_canonical_maps I can get the behavior I want sometimes.
[20:41:07] <tcpsyn> if a client sends mail to me@myserver and I don't have an account or alias on myserver, then I want it to relay to me at mydomain dot com
[20:41:22] <tcpsyn> I'm driving myself crazy, and I'm sure this is very simple
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[20:53:12] <tcpsyn> jesus I'm dumb
[20:53:12] <tcpsyn> myhostname wasn't fqdn
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[21:13:28] <adaptr> jesus got me my hostname
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[21:14:02] <adaptr> ding-a-long-ling a ding-a-long-ling-lang
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[21:19:05] * sysmonk scratches his head
[21:19:22] <sysmonk> adaptr: was that your hostname?
[21:20:09] <adaptr> sysmonk is not a Ministry fan :)
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[21:21:02] <sysmonk> not really :)
[21:21:19] <sysmonk> you never heard of most stuff i listen to :P
[21:21:51] <adaptr> oh I will have you know I even know who the Alians are
[21:21:58] <adaptr> aren't they from your neck of the woods ?
[21:23:34] <sysmonk> ;P
[21:23:46] <sysmonk> don't know anything about them..
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[23:00:41] <planetnormal> Even if I'm using a virtual email system, will /etc/aliases still be parsed?
[23:01:07] <adaptr> not for virtual domain addresses
[23:01:15] <adaptr> aliases is only used by local(8)
[23:01:23] <planetnormal> Hmm
[23:01:29] <adaptr> i.e. anything that ends up in mydestination
[23:01:36] <adaptr> usually the server FQDN
[23:01:39] <adaptr> at minimum
[23:01:44] <planetnormal> Is there anyway I can still use aliases? I'm trying to route an email to a script
[23:01:50] <adaptr> virtual_alias_maps
[23:01:52] <adaptr> !virtual_alias_maps
[23:01:53] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[23:01:56] <planetnormal> Thanks
[23:02:11] <adaptr> lotsa lotsa ways...
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[23:04:13] <planetnormal> Ah there we go
[23:04:14] <planetnormal> Thanks.
[23:07:24] <planetnormal> hmmm
[23:09:15] <planetnormal> It tries sending the email to the literal address "|/path/to/script.php at domain dot com"
[23:11:20] <adaptr> well, yes - it's an ALIAS, as in an address
[23:11:30] <adaptr> programs are not permitted
[23:11:39] <adaptr> use procmail or forward to do that
[23:11:46] <planetnormal> k
[23:11:49] <planetnormal> !procmail
[23:11:49] <knoba> planetnormal: "procmail" : a frequently used mail filter for e.g. distributing mails to different folders (like for mailing lists). See http://www.procmail.org/
[23:12:00] <planetnormal> thanks
[23:14:02] <planetnormal> !forward
[23:14:02] <knoba> planetnormal: Error: "forward" is not a valid command.
[23:14:12] <planetnormal> As in the usual forward or a program?
[23:15:15] <adaptr> !.forward
[23:15:15] <knoba> adaptr: Error: ".forward" is not a valid command.
[23:15:18] <adaptr> pfft
[23:15:23] <planetnormal> ah ok yeah
[23:15:26] <planetnormal> I know what you mean then :p
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[23:20:11] <planetnormal> Ok, stupid question probably, but since it's virtual, where would I put the .forward file?
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[23:24:22] <lunaphyte> you wouldn't.
[23:25:39] <rob0> virtual(8) does not support .forward files
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[23:29:40] <adaptr> sssht!
[23:29:45] <adaptr> spoilsport
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[23:33:27] <planetnormal> >.>
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[23:50:13] <planetnormal> ugh
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[23:50:14] <planetnormal> so confusing
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[23:57:45] <lunaphyte> adaptr: oops - sorry to spoil your fun. :)
[23:58:31] <adaptr> heh, no worries, the fun is long gone now ;)
[23:58:46] <planetnormal> Lol.





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