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[00:07:21] <DarienWork> hey all... is there an easy way to change the destination e-mail address of an e-mail in the queue?
[00:07:29] <DarienWork> I have a message queued up to a typo, and I'd like to change it and deliver it, if possible
[00:10:45] <seekwill> You'd have to also dig into the message body, and change the header
[00:11:05] <seekwill> And then risk losing any checksums you might have in place
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[00:11:35] <seekwill> (easier to just delete and resend ;)
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[00:19:12] <suprsonic> rob0 can check_recipient_access have a filter statement in the access file?
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[00:19:55] <suprsonic> username at domain dot com FILTER  lmtp:unix:/var/run/dspam.sock
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[00:44:40] <DarienWork> seekwill: yeah, that's what I figured
[00:44:43] <DarienWork> seekwill: thanks
[00:48:49] <xpoint> DarienWork, postcat -q queueid | sendmail -f me root
[00:48:56] <DarienWork> hmm
[00:49:04] <DarienWork> neat
[00:49:32] <DarienWork> well that would just send me the contents though, no? or will sendmail interpret the extraneous data (headers, etc.) appropriately?
[00:49:39] <DarienWork> I guess I can try it
[00:50:05] <DarienWork> well just content, but oh well
[00:50:09] <DarienWork> the e-mails aren't that important
[00:54:38] <notech> argg, got closer. heh. now it errors saying the smtp server may not be running (it is) or authentication failed
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[00:55:00] <dam85> hello everybody
[00:55:11] <notech> hi dam85
[00:55:17] <dam85> i have a problem with POSTFIX........ i CAN send email (with sasl authentication) without problems...... but if another account (example @gmail.com) send an email....get a Relay Access Denied, this is my main.cf file    http://rafb.net/p/yWx3sC27.html     what can i do?
[00:56:00] <notech> lol, my probelm is the oppisit. i can recieve mail but can't send it
[00:57:29] <dam85> eheheh
[00:57:45] <dam85> so copy my main.cf and i copy your main.cf
[00:57:45] <dam85> :D
[00:57:53] <growltiger> dam85 that is expected behaviour
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[00:58:08] <dam85> growltiger: ?
[00:58:14] <notech> i am running postfix/pop-before-smtp/vm-pop3d...so not sure where my problem is
[00:58:14] <dam85> excuse me i don't understand
[00:59:09] <notech> i'm sure growltiger will walk me through it all. heheh
[00:59:45] <notech> hint, hint, beg, beg, snivle, whine. lol.  :-)
[01:00:04] <growltiger> !relaydomains
[01:00:05] <knoba> growltiger: Error: "relaydomains" is not a valid command.
[01:00:14] <growltiger> bastard, it is too a valid command
[01:00:28] <notech> 2 words maybe?
[01:00:46] <growltiger> you mean you want local users to be able to send to accounts at gmail, right?
[01:01:07] <growltiger> !relay_domains
[01:01:07] <knoba> growltiger: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[01:01:10] <notech> i do, yes
[01:01:30] <growltiger> well, i was talking to dam85, but if it applies to you as well
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[01:02:12] <dam85> growtiger: but i can't add @gmail @yahoo @hotmail accounts
[01:02:33] <notech> hmm, is there a wildcard or something so that i can send to any other domain instead of specifying?
[01:02:38] <dam85> have i to add all the email providers?
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[01:03:43] <notech> oh yeah, duh, forgot. i got by that error and new one was about authentication
[01:04:02] <growltiger> !smtpd_client_restrictions
[01:04:03] <knoba> growltiger: "smtpd_client_restrictions" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional SMTP server access restrictions in the context of a client SMTP connection request.
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[01:04:15] <growltiger> !smtpd_sender_restrictions
[01:04:15] <knoba> growltiger: "smtpd_sender_restrictions" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional restrictions that the Postfix SMTP server applies in the context of the SMTP MAIL FROM command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features.
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[01:04:25] <rob0> /topic, relevant logs & postconf -n
[01:04:38] <dam85> mmmm
[01:04:40] <growltiger> no
[01:04:52] <dam85> growltiger: i think it's ok  --> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_unauth_destination
[01:05:05] <dam85> no?
[01:05:32] <notech> growltiger: this may be stupid, but where are postfix logs? i have only found /var/log/mail/
[01:05:53] <growltiger> in var/log/maillog for me
[01:05:56] <dam85> . /var/log/mail.log
[01:06:32] <dam85> growltiger: my smtpd_recipient_restrictions is wrong?
[01:06:48] <growltiger> no
[01:06:51] <growltiger> looks good
[01:07:29] <dam85> mmm
[01:07:34] <dam85> it's very strange
[01:07:47] <dam85> becase i can send without problem with user/password
[01:08:05] <dam85> another accounts no
[01:08:07] <dam85> mmm
[01:08:10] <notech> growltiger: on mdv? i don't have /var/log/maillog
[01:08:37] <growltiger> so what you are saying is ppl can auth to your server and send local mail, but cant send to outside domains?
[01:08:46] <growltiger> i dont think i understand
[01:08:48] <rob0> !relay_denied
[01:08:49] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[01:08:53] <rob0> dam85: ^^
[01:10:42] <dam85> but
[01:10:54] <dam85> is impossible to put ALL email accounts
[01:11:07] <dam85> @gmail @hotmail @msn #aol ecc ecc
[01:11:50] <dam85> is possibile to accept all the account that sends email to my email server account
[01:11:51] <dam85> ?
[01:12:45] <DarienWork> huh?
[01:12:56] <notech> growltiger: unless i'm missing it, i don't see in main.cf or master.cf where it states the logs would be either
[01:12:58] <rob0> haha I was going to say that too
[01:13:01] <growltiger> you have mynetworks = 127.0.0.1
[01:13:16] <rob0> !logs
[01:13:17] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[01:13:22] <growltiger> postfix logs to mail
[01:13:58] <growltiger> i think you have more ips than just 127.0.0.1
[01:14:59] <dam85> ops
[01:15:00] <dam85> ok
[01:15:13] <dam85> so i have to put all server ips configured
[01:15:14] <dam85> right?
[01:15:21] <dam85> ....have i to put....
[01:15:22] <dam85> :D
[01:17:48] <notech> ahh, thank you. i find some errors in syslog
[01:19:10] <dam85> mmmm
[01:19:48] <dam85> growltiger: i added the ip....but i still have relay access denied
[01:19:52] <dam85> mmmm
[01:20:17] <notech>  postfix/smtpd[16720]: fatal: parameter "smtpd_recipient_restrictions": specify at least one working instance of: check_relay_domains, reject_unauth_destination, reject, defer or defer_if_permit  <-- sounds like an issue to me
[01:21:39] <growltiger> check_relay_domains reject_invalid_hostname reject_non_fqdn_hostname reject_non_fqdn_sender reject_non_fqdn_recipient reject_unknown_sender_domain reject_unknown_recipient_domain reject_unauth_destination permit_mynetworks check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_checks check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/sender_checks check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/client_checks reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net list.dsbl.org zen.spamhaus.or
[01:21:39] <growltiger> g dnsbl.sorbs.net permit is what i have
[01:22:04] 
[01:22:06] <dam85> wow
[01:22:07] <dam85> :)
[01:23:16] <growltiger> well i am going home, i dont understand your question but maybe i will when i get home
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[01:27:56] <pugsly> so i can't find in the postfix conf what port the server is listening on, nor what auth method is enabled
[01:28:01] <pugsly> i'm SURE it's misconfigured
[01:28:14] <jair> If I have already postfix sending and recieving messages, configuring it on a remote laptop here in the same network I have works, but if I try to configure the pop and smtp on my phone does not work when I am outside the home office network where I have the postfix installed and NAT to the outside to send and received emails
[01:28:35] <pugsly> i don't even know how to ask where to start
[01:28:38] <pugsly> :|
[01:28:43] <jair> pugsly: hmm
[01:28:54] <jair> are you talking about smtp? postfix?
[01:28:57] <jair> port 25
[01:29:00] <jair> tcp
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[01:29:09] <pugsly> postfix
[01:29:29] <jair> ok
[01:29:33] <pugsly> when i use port 25 it doesn't connection refused anymore so i figured as much
[01:29:35] <rob0> !basic
[01:29:35] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:30:15] <jair> knoba: that is not true, we the beginners don't get any answers from there
[01:30:29] <jair> pugsly: what OS?
[01:30:47] <rob0> !knoba
[01:30:48] <knoba> rob0: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)
[01:30:49] <pugsly> ubuntu server 8.10
[01:30:52] <jair> I think that the reason we come to IRC is 1=help 2=get help
[01:31:15] <pugsly> is TLS enabled by default?
[01:31:18] <jair> pugsly: and what are you trying to accomplish? what did you installed so far?
[01:31:40] <pugsly> i installed php5, mysql, apache2, postfix, and egroupware
[01:31:48] <pugsly> everything is more or less working
[01:31:54] <jair> pugsly: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 this is a step by step on how to get postfix, smtp, and tls working
[01:31:56] <pugsly> but mail isn't connecting to the imap server
[01:31:58] <rob0> Postfix default: no TLS. Ubuntu default: ask them.
[01:32:10] <jair> pugsly: hmm
[01:32:19] <jair> pugsly: you are using imap heh!!
[01:32:44] <jair> you don't know too much about linux since you are using ubunbtu, and nor postfix and you are trying to use imap?
[01:33:01] <jair> I will recommend you to start from the basics my friend
[01:33:42] <jair> that way more people like me newbies can help you, I haven't done Imap yet... I need to understand first how the regular mbox, with pop and smtp postfix works
[01:34:57] <jair> knoba: actually that site is good to have :P
[01:35:00] <jair> http://workaround.org/f=postfix
[01:35:38] <jair> but the http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html I would totally re do it
[01:35:53] <jair> simpler and with more details for newbies
[01:36:11] <jair> anyway I will have to invest time on that sometime during the weekend
[01:36:24] <jair> alright I have to step out going to the gym
[01:36:29] <jair> I miss two days in a row
[01:36:33] <jair> be back later
[01:37:20] <dam85> how to resolve my problem?
[01:37:40] <rob0> BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README does not explain all the basics of email, nor should it. It does tell you how to get Postfix from a fresh install to a working MTA.
[01:40:18] <dam85> ??
[01:42:12] <rob0> Where was your pastebin of logs & postconf -n?
[01:43:02] <Dominian> !sweet
[01:43:02] <knoba> Dominian: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[01:43:33] <dam85> rob0 are you talking to me?
[01:43:58] <dam85> <rob0> Where was your pastebin of logs & postconf -n? <---
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[01:48:23] <DarienWork> god, this server is fail... they hit the greylisting ('wait 300 seconds'), then tried again in 60 seconds, then another 60 seconds, and then just gave up.
[01:48:55] <Dominian> yeah.. well the sending server doesn't interpret the 300 seconds..
[01:49:06] <Dominian> it'll just keep trying .. or atl east it should
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[01:49:34] <DarienWork> yeah, but not three attempts a minute apart and then give up, that's just idiotic
[01:49:50] <DarienWork> and then nothing for the last hour
[01:50:13] <DarienWork> I dunno, maybe they were different e-mails
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[02:14:02] <higuita> DarienWork: i never saw a server that tried 3 times , in 60s interval and then give up... it will try later (2hours maybe) or they were 3 different emails/spams/virus
[02:14:27] <DarienWork> possibly, we'll see
[02:14:37] <DarienWork> I've seen some pretty idiotic setups, but then again most of them were just qmail
[02:15:37] <rob0> I think if I was to try greylisting again, I'd go for a short period, maybe 10-20 seconds.
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[02:19:33] <higuita> rob0: i see many spam trying all MX in a row , so just 10-20s might not be enough... also, is not uncommon the spammers sending several copies of a spam
[02:20:00] <higuita> i use 3min and i think the bare minimum would be about 1m
[02:20:19] <higuita> or maybe 1m10s :)
[02:21:08] <growltiger> that's too long to wait for mail
[02:21:19] <growltiger> i want it now
[02:21:56] <growltiger> though, i do remember when email could take a few hours or sometimes even days to deliver
[02:22:09] <growltiger> this was way before spam came around too
[02:30:55] <DarienWork> the solution I've found was to get a gmail account and set it up to forward to my main account. Once at least one e-mail has been forwarded, it's all whitelisted and the e-mail goes through instantly
[02:31:13] <DarienWork> so my (spam-filtered) gmail account is the fastest way around my greylisting
[02:31:37] <DarienWork> but I'd never go without greylisting, it's dropped my spam count by a good 98%
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[04:15:49] <jpalmer> rob0,  I've found that 30 seconds gets 97% of the spam thats going to be caught via greylisting.  of course,  I don't use multiple MX's.  if you do, you may need to increase that time.   I did extensive testing.  and the difference between 30 seconds, and 5 minutes over a 30 day period,   was 3%  (5 mins blocked 3% more mail on average)
[04:16:22] <jpalmer> IMO,  anything over 30 seconds,  the risk v. reward starts to lean heavily towards the  "annoy clients" side.
[04:18:24] <pickcoder> I don't use greylisting at all and catch more than 97% of the stuff
[04:18:39] <pickcoder> too many people running misconfigured servers in the corporate world
[04:18:48] <jpalmer> agreed
[04:18:51] <growltiger> use it and you can get 97 percent of that 3 percent
[04:20:39] <jpalmer> with my current spam setup,  I see an average of 3 spam emails a month now to my personal inbox.  prior to my latest spam configuration,  I'd see 30+ a day.  I personally feel as though I'm at the perfect balance between spam, and "losing legit mail"  I can't remember the last time someone complained to me about "I sent you an email.."
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[04:44:22] <jair> guys, if I have an iphone, and I want to check messages from my postfix MTA on it, do I need to tell postfix to rely in external networks? other than 127.0.0.1/8?
[04:45:25] <jair> I have postfix running, smtp working with tls, pop with popa3d, everyhting working find I did a test using evolution in another machine on my network and works nicely I could received and send messages.
[04:46:51] <jair> the only issue I have is that internally I have addresses like this: 192.168.1.xxx and when I am connecting from the outside I have dynamic ips, from the ISP and I use zoneedit to keep the external ip sync with my domain name.
[04:54:26] <wei> jair: hi,hmm..i think fairly as usual pop-ing or imap-ing process on any email client, just set incoming and outgoing server, username password, etc..??
[04:54:42] <jair> hmm
[04:54:46] <growltiger> notech, you can just be sure you forward the correct ports
[04:54:48] <jair> does it need to be imap?
[04:55:06] <jair> I can configure the iphone to leave messages on the server I think like thunderbird
[04:55:12] <growltiger> the iphone lets you do both imap and pop
[04:55:18] <jair> :)
[04:55:21] <jair> thank you
[04:55:41] <growltiger> well, my itouch does anyway
[04:55:53] <growltiger> also supports tls
[04:56:01] <jair> growltiger: so do you understand the issue I am having?
[04:57:08] <jair> growltiger: mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 this is what I have on my main.cf and I think i can only send emails from within my network.
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[04:57:36] <jair> if I go to google and I send an email to: jair at persistentit dot com I get the email
[04:58:13] <growltiger> !mynetworks
[04:58:14] <knoba> growltiger: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[04:58:18] <jair> but if i try to configure the iphone with the email address jair at persistentit dot com and the pop server mail.persistentit.com they it does not work
[04:58:40] <growltiger> usually you dont put the stuff after @
[04:58:50] <growltiger> just a username and password
[04:58:51] <jair> growltiger: so if I have the iphone what do I need to get my account working on it?
[04:59:02] <jair> let me try right now
[04:59:40] <jair> 1. mail, 2. add account 3. select "other"
[05:00:03] <jair> 4. name 5. address = jair at persistentit dot com?
[05:00:44] <jair> I am assuming that this is the pop information?
[05:00:51] <jair> growltiger: are you with me?
[05:00:57] <growltiger> yes
[05:01:01] <jair> ok
[05:01:19] <jair> so should i put this on: address => jair at persistentit dot com
[05:01:22] <growltiger> you have to save that, then you go in and cofigure username and ports
[05:01:40] <jair> wait wait.. I am going step by step
[05:02:22] <jair> step 6. is asking me for a password, I guess this is the same password thunderbird ask me
[05:02:55] <jair> ok saved
[05:03:06] <jair> 7 was the name of this account
[05:03:23] <jair> I am now in the configuration page with the imap | pop options
[05:03:31] <jair> growltiger: are you still with me?
[05:03:36] <growltiger> yes
[05:03:41] <jair> I will choose pop
[05:03:45] <growltiger> i have done this many times
[05:03:52] <growltiger> this is not #iphone though
[05:03:55] <deface> lol
[05:04:01] <jair> ipod touch?
[05:04:04] <jair> it is the same
[05:04:17] <deface> its pretty straight forward jair, if you cant configure the iphone to work, take it back, and sell all your computers
[05:04:23] <jair> you will connect from different places different wifis right?
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[05:04:45] <wei> :)
[05:04:56] <jair> deface: Hahahaha hohohohohoh huhuhuhu hiihihi very funny
[05:04:56] <wei> jair: i think it will be work ;)
[05:04:57] <growltiger> yes
[05:05:31] <growltiger> it's a lot more convenient sometimes to use an itouch to check mail instead of lugging around a laptop
[05:05:35] <jair> growltiger: alright here is the question: hostname
[05:05:43] <jair> incoming mail server
[05:05:47] <growltiger> mail.persistentit.com
[05:05:51] <growltiger> put that
[05:05:56] <jair> ok
[05:06:20] <jair> username => jair
[05:06:28] <growltiger> yes
[05:06:33] <jair> password was already filled
[05:06:41] <growltiger> for password, put *******
[05:06:46] <jair> alright
[05:07:05] <jair> done
[05:07:18] <jair> now I am in the outgoing mail server
[05:07:20] <jair> smtp
[05:07:26] <growltiger> notech, doofball, put your regular pop password
[05:07:40] <jair> mail.persistentit.com again?
[05:07:47] <jair> for the smtp
[05:08:03] <growltiger> if you have sasl setup, yes. if not just leave that be for now
[05:08:15] <jair> i have sasl
[05:08:20] <jair> I have tls
[05:08:33] <growltiger> sure, put it in
[05:08:38] <jair> mail.persistentit.com right?
[05:08:47] <growltiger> sure, why not
[05:08:54] <jair> ok
[05:09:09] <jair> I have now user name : optional and password: optional
[05:09:12] <notech> growltiger: i have been, but i gave up for the day. thanks though. maybe i'll work on it more tomorrow and catch you then. been trying to set it up with configs from a few years ago, not going well.
[05:09:32] <growltiger> nick complete thing
[05:09:40] <growltiger> i was trying to do no,
[05:10:28] <jair> growltiger: I got a message: can not connect using ssl do you want to try without ssl?
[05:10:38] <jair> I will say yes to see?
[05:10:40] <growltiger> ok, try that then
[05:10:43] <jair> ok
[05:10:54] <growltiger> i bet you dont have portforwarding setup in your router
[05:11:00] <jair> I have
[05:11:35] <growltiger> you should be tailing -f /var/log/maillog while doing this so you can see what's going on
[05:11:45] <jair> I have this: external ip ----> router-----NAT port 25-----> 192.168.1.130(postfix)
[05:11:56] <jair> I have this: external ip ----> router-----NAT port 110-----> 192.168.1.130(postfix)
[05:12:11] <jair> ok
[05:12:25] <jair> I got a failed veryfication on pop
[05:12:32] <jair> I will try again and tail the logs
[05:13:02] <growltiger> are you using virtual aliases?
[05:13:23] <jair> nope
[05:13:23] <growltiger> if so, then you might have to use the full email as username depending on how you set it up
[05:13:48] <growltiger> for normal pop and imap, the system username is what usually works
[05:13:56] <jair> "/var/mail/user1" "/var/mail/user2"
[05:14:09] <jair> etc... regular and simple mbox
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[05:15:10] <growltiger> you dont have the pop3s port forwarded
[05:15:50] <jair> 192.168.1.130  	SMTP Server
[05:15:54] <jair> pop3
[05:16:03] <growltiger> 995
[05:16:12] <jair> those are the rules on my router, and it works with thunderbird though
[05:16:17] <jair> 995?
[05:16:29] <growltiger> if you want to use secure pop
[05:16:33] <jair> I though that pop uses 110
[05:16:44] <growltiger> ordinary does
[05:16:47] <jair> ok
[05:17:07] <jair> I will add the 995 then and try again
[05:18:01] <growltiger> secure imap is 993
[05:18:31] <growltiger> so go to advanced options and if you have ssl on, choose port 995 on your iphone
[05:19:13] <jair> ok
[05:19:16] <jair> let me check
[05:20:09] <jair> not such a thing as advance option
[05:20:32] <growltiger> yes there is
[05:20:48] <jair> ?? hmmm
[05:20:53] <growltiger> home>general>emailchat>click the email account and scroll down
[05:21:08] <growltiger> rigth above the big red delete this account button
[05:21:26] <pickcoder> big red shiny button?
[05:22:15] <jair> hmm
[05:22:27] <jair> nope
[05:22:32] <growltiger> put your thumb on the account screen, then gently push up with a sweeping motion
[05:22:36] <deface> he has a knock off iphone
[05:22:37] <deface> lol
[05:22:40] <growltiger> it will scroll the screen down
[05:22:46] * pickcoder thinks back to Ren&Stimpy
[05:22:56] <jair> ok
[05:23:39] <jair> growltiger: here---> home---> settings I have general and I have the options to go to mail, contact, calendars
[05:23:43] <jair> that is what I have
[05:23:53] <growltiger> touch that
[05:24:02] <growltiger> then touch the email account
[05:24:09] <jair> mail ok
[05:24:30] <jair> I see my gmail default account now (which is working fine)
[05:24:41] <jair> and I see the option "add account"
[05:24:54] <growltiger> put your thumb on the screen, then gently push up with a sweeping motion
[05:25:03] <jair> ok
[05:25:04] <jair> done
[05:25:17] <jair> I have at the end calendars
[05:25:23] <jair> in the middle contacts
[05:25:26] <growltiger> NO
[05:25:29] <jair> ?
[05:25:35] <growltiger> TOUCH your email account
[05:25:42] <jair> the gmail one?
[05:25:54] <growltiger> notech, the pop one you just made
[05:26:04] <jair> it is not there
[05:26:05] <growltiger> NO  the pop one you just made
[05:26:15] <jair> nope it is nothing there I could not created
[05:26:19] <jair> it failed
[05:26:25] <jair> so it is not there
[05:26:30] <jair> I was trying to create it
[05:26:45] <jair> but since failed to connect to pop, it was not created
[05:26:49] <growltiger> ok, touch add account
[05:26:53] <jair> ok
[05:26:57] <jair> done
[05:27:05] <jair> I have to select "other" right
[05:27:10] <growltiger> yes
[05:27:13] <jair> ok
[05:27:16] <growltiger> name it "jair"
[05:27:18] <jair> this is the pop settings
[05:27:34] <jair> 192.168.1.130  	SMTP Server
[05:27:34] <growltiger> this is basic account setting, you choose imap or pop later
[05:27:38] <jair> pop3sorry
[05:27:43] <jair> sorry that was a mistake
[05:27:48] <jair> ok
[05:28:04] <jair> address: jair at persistentit dot com
[05:28:30] <jair> password: it shows required
[05:28:40] <growltiger> yes
[05:28:43] <jair> ok
[05:29:02] <jair> now: description
[05:29:03] <jair> done
[05:29:08] <jair> nothing else here
[05:29:11] <jair> save
[05:29:59] <jair> so?
[05:30:08] <jair> now I see the Imap and pop options
[05:30:20] <growltiger> now choose pop
[05:30:23] <jair> nothing on the tail yet
[05:30:25] <jair> ok
[05:30:30] <jair> done
[05:30:38] <jair> incoming mail server
[05:30:46] <growltiger> host name is mail.peristentit.com
[05:30:49] <jair> ok
[05:31:00] <growltiger> username is whatever you use in thunderbird
[05:31:12] <jair> ok
[05:31:18] <jair> jair
[05:31:19] <jair> ok
[05:31:24] <jair> password?
[05:31:28] <growltiger> fill out the outgoing server later
[05:31:30] <jair> it is already filled
[05:31:33] <growltiger> i dont know you password
[05:31:33] <jair> ok
[05:31:37] <jair> hahaha :)
[05:31:43] <jair> I will put it again just in case
[05:32:06] <jair> ok
[05:32:08] <jair> done
[05:32:13] <jair> but the save option is grayout
[05:32:17] <jair> I can not save
[05:32:25] <jair> it is asking for the outgoing mail info
[05:32:36] <growltiger> just put mail.persistentit.com
[05:32:40] <jair> ok
[05:32:46] <growltiger> dont worry about username and password rigth now
[05:32:57] <jair> ok
[05:32:58] <jair> done
[05:33:08] <jair> verifying pop account infomration
[05:33:11] <growltiger> it will use the same as pop or imap by default
[05:33:29] <growltiger> check maillogs
[05:33:39] <wei> !relay_domains
[05:33:39] <knoba> wei: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[05:34:01] <jair> nothing on mail logs yet
[05:34:18] <jair> and I get a message: cannot connect uing ssl
[05:34:22] <growltiger> if you dont see any activity, you have a networking issue that is beyond the scope of this channel
[05:34:28] <jair> do you want to try without ssl
[05:34:35] <growltiger> yes, you do
[05:34:40] <jair> ok
[05:34:59] <jair> trying and nothing on the mail logs yet
[05:35:49] <jair> growltiger: I want to remind you that: 1. I have a dynamic ip address. but I am using a ddclient perl script to update my external ip with my domain name: persistentit
[05:35:55] <jair> I have the ports open
[05:36:34] <growltiger> try using 99.150.46.165 as the incoming mailserver then
[05:36:41] <jair> and if i add the same information but instead using the persistentit.com I use the internal ip: 192.168.1.130 and the iphone is connected wifi in my network then it will work
[05:36:49] <jair> ok
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[05:37:31] <jair> growltiger: what about the information wei gave us in the channel?
[05:37:47] <growltiger> irrevelant
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[05:37:58] <jair> remember I have my postfix configured like this: 127.0.0.1/8
[05:38:00] <jair> ok
[05:38:40] <wei> jair: yes,not relevant.. just wanna see info
[05:39:02] <jair> ?
[05:39:09] <growltiger> your isp might be blocking it
[05:39:17] <jair> ?
[05:39:21] <jair> blocking what?
[05:39:22] <growltiger> @localhost ~]# telnet 99.150.46.165 110
[05:39:22] <growltiger> Trying 99.150.46.165...
[05:39:29] <growltiger> i cant connect from here
[05:39:44] <jair> let's do a wuick test
[05:39:56] <jair> do you have an email I can send you from and you can reply to me?
[05:40:15] <jair> you will probably then understand and may be able to find the solution faster :)
[05:40:17] <growltiger> no
[05:40:30] <growltiger> i can do this just fine via telnet
[05:40:31] <deface> we hang out in #postfix, but we dont use email
[05:40:45] <pickcoder> fax is better
[05:40:52] <jair> growltiger: right, I can do that as well but only from inside my network
[05:41:00] <growltiger> the fact is, you cant connect to pop3 from outside to your postfix server
[05:41:16] <jair> if I do the telnet from outside it will say "not relay"
[05:41:24] <jair> right
[05:41:27] <jair> correct
[05:41:42] <jair> so i need to change something on postfix?
[05:41:48] <jair> to llow that?
[05:41:59] <growltiger> i cant from my colo server either
[05:42:01] <pickcoder> postfix doesn't do pop
[05:42:10] <jair> ok
[05:42:16] <growltiger> well pop3 server
[05:42:21] <pickcoder> it likes lemonade...
[05:42:21] <growltiger> you know what i meant
[05:42:37] <jair> so where I need to do the change? I have popa3d that is my pop3 server package
[05:43:23] <growltiger> start that then
[05:43:41] <jair> start what? that popa3d is running
[05:44:07] <deface> wow, 4 hours for jair  to get is iphone connected
[05:44:24] <growltiger> netstat -an
[05:44:33] <jair> root      2401     1  0 Nov02 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/popa3d -D
[05:44:38] <jair> ok one sec
[05:44:42] <pickcoder> | grep :110
[05:44:44] <pickcoder> :)
[05:45:04] <growltiger> do you see 0.0.0.0:110 ?
[05:45:05] <jair> mail:~# netstat -an | grep :110
[05:45:06] <jair> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:110             0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[05:45:29] <growltiger> well, something is not forwarding correctly
[05:45:39] <jair> hmm
[05:46:00] <jair> if i am even on another machine on my same class c network then i can send emails using telnet
[05:46:02] <growltiger> i tried from home and my server to connect to port 110 at 99.150.46.165 110
[05:46:43] <growltiger> so either your portforwarding is not setup correctly or your isp is blocking it
[05:48:02] <growltiger> wait a sec
[05:48:09] <growltiger> that is not your current ip address
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[05:48:32] <jair> check this growltiger : http://paste.debian.net/20621
[05:48:50] <growltiger> use  99.135.188.110 as incoming server
[05:48:52] <jair> I was actually mistaken, I can not even send emails from other machines one the same network
[05:49:03] <growltiger> your dyndns client has old records of your ip
[05:49:15] <growltiger> i can connect to  99.135.188.110 on port 110
[05:49:29] <jair> there you go, that is the problem :(
[05:49:42] <pickcoder> yup
[05:50:02] <jair> OMG growltiger I am so sorry I know what happened, I do not have the ddclient setup to update the mail.persistentit.com :(
[05:50:09] <jair> one sec
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[05:51:44] <jair> ok
[05:51:46] <jair> done
[05:52:27] <jair> I should try now again all the process
[05:52:38] <jair> using the mail.persistentit.com which is fix
[05:52:50] <growltiger> maybe
[05:52:55] <jair> ok
[05:52:58] <jair> let me try
[05:53:37] <jair> can you try to ping mail.persistentit.com
[05:53:42] <jair> from outside
[05:55:33] <jair> growltiger: Thank you very much though, all this time and the mail.persistentit.com was not updated the ip :9
[05:55:36] <jair> :(
[05:58:05] <jair> trying again
[05:59:38] <wei> jair: could you tell a bit for us the system while not too privacy..?? what being use,etc?! btw, telnet mail.persistenit.com 110 resulting +OK
[06:00:19] <jair> :)
[06:00:21] <wei> *persistentit.com
[06:00:24] <jair> wei: thanks
[06:00:38] <jair> you can try mail.persistentit.com
[06:00:42] <jair> i think it works too
[06:01:18] <jair> wei: what do you mean about: could you tell a bit for us the system while not too privacy..?? what being use,etc?!
[06:01:45] <wei> jair: the OS, authd, etc.. being use :)
[06:02:10] <jair> I am using, debian etch, r5 the latest updates and stable kernel
[06:02:17] <jair> authd?
[06:02:26] <growltiger> ew, debuntu
[06:02:35] <jair> nope debian
[06:02:58] <jair> debian is different than ubuntu. debian is way much more stable and cleaner
[06:03:07] <jair> anyway the pop keeps failing growltiger
[06:03:16] <growltiger> debuntu = debian and/or ubuntu
[06:03:18] <jair> even after the mail.persistentit is fixed
[06:03:21] <jair> :)
[06:03:23] <jair> I see
[06:03:42] <jair> I do not understand what is going on
[06:04:22] <jair> growltiger: did you see this? => http://paste.debian.net/20621
[06:04:42] <jair> that was from a machine in the same network but doing telnet
[06:04:49] <jair> I guess that is correct
[06:04:55] <jair> the one I need to test is the 110
[06:05:20] <growltiger> your mailserver is not an mx for hotmail
[06:05:39] <growltiger> you smtp into your server to send mail for which that server handles
[06:06:21] <jair> I see
[06:06:24] <jair> alright
[06:07:41] <jair> so i wonder why I can not configure my iphone then? now that the ip is working with the mail.persistentit.com
[06:07:45] <jair> :(
[06:08:22] <growltiger> i just sent you an email via telnet
[06:08:29] <jair> aha!!!
[06:08:33] <jair> :)
[06:08:51] <jair> I did save anyway and now I can see the advance option you were talking about before
[06:08:52] <growltiger> did you get it?
[06:09:12] <jair> <growltiger at persistentit dot com???
[06:09:21] <jair> I saw that
[06:09:34] <growltiger> it let me fake my hostname
[06:09:42] <jair> is that bad :(
[06:09:48] <growltiger> probably
[06:10:56] <jair> so what do i need to change :(
[06:11:04] <growltiger> lots of things
[06:11:07] <growltiger> !spam
[06:11:08] <jair> I do not want people using my email server for spam though :(
[06:11:09] <knoba> growltiger: "spam" : for you and SPAM for me, we'll all live together in SPAM harmony at SPAM.com
[06:11:17] <growltiger> !basic
[06:11:17] <knoba> growltiger: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[06:11:25] <growltiger> !antispam
[06:11:25] <knoba> growltiger: Error: "antispam" is not a valid command.
[06:12:01] <growltiger> forgot the one for basic anti-spam howto
[06:12:05] <growltiger> !anti-spam
[06:12:05] <knoba> growltiger: Error: "anti-spam" is not a valid command.
[06:12:15] <growltiger> it's on postfix.org
[06:12:44] <jair> growltiger: please, I just need to fix my server pstfix to protect myself to do spam or other people do spam from my emil server
[06:13:37] <growltiger> i doubt your sever can be used as an open relay, the worst right now is your domain can get lots of spam easily
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[06:14:07] <growltiger> !cheatsheet
[06:14:08] <knoba> growltiger: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[06:14:12] <growltiger> that's the one!
[06:14:45] <growltiger> this knoba is no fajita
[06:15:03] <jair> hmmm :(
[06:15:08] <jair> I will check that site then
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[06:16:18] <jair> growltiger: so basically i will need to put those lines on my main.cf
[06:17:44] <growltiger> what lines?
[06:18:02] <jair> the ones on the http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt
[06:18:37] <growltiger> not all of them
[06:18:41] <jair> growltiger: I honestly don't know why the iphone is not working though
[06:18:46] <jair> I know some
[06:18:52] <jair> I have to read tem carefully
[06:18:59] <growltiger> what you need to do is read the whole thing from top to bottom
[06:19:06] <jair> I will
[06:19:08] <growltiger> then read it again
[06:19:17] <jair> will that help me with the iphone issue
[06:19:21] <growltiger> and once you think you understand it all, read it yet again
[06:19:23] <jair> I don't think so
[06:19:27] <jair> ok
[06:19:29] <jair> ok
[06:20:00] <growltiger> you can work on the iphone later
[06:20:10] <growltiger> it's more import to secure your server first
[06:20:50] <jair> right
[06:22:26] <jair> is this because you don't want to deal with findind out what the issue with the iphone is? I completely understand if you don't know what is going on either though
[06:22:43] <jair> I just don't get frustrated as easy
[06:22:44] <jair> :(
[06:26:01] <growltiger> no . because its more important that you setup your mail server correctly first before you go connecting stuff to it
[06:26:16] <jair> ok
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[06:58:19] <jair> growltiger: I know you told me not to worry about the iphone.  But i got it to work, the only thing is not working now is the smtp with tls I gress i will nee to put my username and password in the smtp settings
[06:58:25] <jair> but I will for sure secure my email server
[06:58:27] <jair> :)
[07:05:15] <jair> it looks like I have the iphone all set to go.  all I need to do now is secure my email server
[07:05:24] <jair> Thank you very much growltiger
[07:05:33] <jair> I am reading about the doc
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[07:47:40] <wei> !smtpd_sender_restrictions
[07:47:41] <knoba> wei: "smtpd_sender_restrictions" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional restrictions that the Postfix SMTP server applies in the context of the SMTP MAIL FROM command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features.
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[09:08:53] <knoba> adnc_: Error: "milter_protocol" is not a valid command.
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[11:09:45] <zamba> i want to authenticate to my smtp server.. how do i generate the string based on the username and password?
[11:09:57] <zamba> mmencode is an option, but i don't want to install that
[11:10:15] <zamba> oh, found it for perl
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[11:49:59] <stipet> Hi all, I have a table-lookup related question. I want to move away from a cidr:/ style table to a pgsql:/ style table for mynetworks. My problem is that the key subsituted for %s in my query is a domain name and not (as I expected) an inet-address on the format aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd. Is there anyway to change this behaviour?
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[11:51:03] <BillyBop> Hi, is there a way to duplicate incoming mails for delivering them into 2 mailboxes?
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[11:52:56] <vivia> BillyBop: you want user bigbrother to receive everyone's mail, or do you want root's mail to go to root and billybop?
[11:53:17] <donald> BillyBop: Do you use virtual maps?
[11:55:36] <stipet> Was my question perhaps a stupid one?
[11:56:03] <BillyBop> lol, I wan't my girlfriend mails go to her mailbox on my server and to gmail (big brother)
[11:56:29] <BillyBop> donald: I don't use virtual maps, I don't even know what it is :)
[11:56:44] <cpm> aliases
[11:57:07] <BillyBop> on an aliase line, I can put multiple recipients?
[11:57:19] <vivia> BillyBop: you can also use .forward on her ~
[11:57:40] <BillyBop> vivia: I don't understand
[11:57:45] <rob0> stipet, it was perhaps above the heads of most people here. mynetworks is NOT a domain name lookup, however, so your assumption is wrong.
[11:58:01] <vivia> BillyBop: make a file on her home directory called .forward which will contain this line:
[11:58:07] <vivia> address at gmail dot com,\
[11:58:09] <vivia> oops sorry
[11:58:13] <vivia> address at gmail dot com,\her_username
[11:58:41] <rob0> (and another thing, it's early morning over this side of the pond, so activity in the channel will pick up later in the day.)
[11:58:55] <BillyBop> vivia: and postfix will read automaticly this file and forward the mails?
[11:59:05] * vivia hates not being able to press \ or ' without also pressing enter, and then you can't either backspace it because it's entered
[11:59:08] <vivia> BillyBop: yes
[11:59:24] <vivia> s/either/even
[11:59:35] <BillyBop> vivia: no extra config parameter in main.cf?
[11:59:39] <vivia> BillyBop: no, nothing
[11:59:52] <BillyBop> vivia: exactly what I wanted, thanks !
[12:00:04] <vivia> BillyBop: not even root privilege needed, just make sure the file's owner is her account :)
[12:00:04] <rob0> vivia, IIRC those .forward files should be one destination per line. But your way might work.
[12:00:18] <vivia> rob0: it works for my father's account :)
[12:00:33] <vivia> 0_0 it's the first time i've managed helping someone in here
[12:00:53] <rob0> mine are one per line
[12:01:12] <donald> zen.spamhaus.org blocks works fine with 'smtpd_client_restrictions' after the RCPT TO command, but is there a way to make this check at the very fist time when a client connects? So the server indentified the client as spammer and disconnects immediately. Is it possible with postfix? Yahoo does this with dynamic IPs for example.
[12:01:15] <BillyBop> vivia: there is alaways someone more newby than you :D
[12:01:49] <vivia> :D i'm sitting in here because i want to use some of my idle time to learn more about postfix
[12:01:57] <stipet> rob0, well what is %s supposed to be replaced with for mynetworks?
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[12:03:50] <stipet> Are the format of the lookup key documented anywhere? I found nothing when I went looking for an explanation of what to expect in %s for various directives
[12:04:03] <BillyBop> vivia: does I need to restart postfix for activating the reading of .forward?
[12:04:36] <BillyBop> or a reload of config or something?
[12:04:55] <vivia> BillyBop: nothing
[12:05:35] <rob0> postconf.5.html#mynetworks
[12:06:10] <rob0> a "type:table" lookup table is matched when a table entry matches a lookup string (the lookup result is ignored).
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[12:08:38] <stipet> rob0, I already had a look at that one, thanks. Problem is if I try it out with postmap -q "127.0.0.1" pgsql:/etc/postfix/mypgmap.conf It returns "OK" as I want it to. But when I actually use it it gives a query error because I don't get the ip in %s in my query by a-domain.com instead. And since I use postgresql inet type I can't match it.
[12:09:11] <stipet> I feel dense, I can't understand why %s shouldn't just be the IP of the client
[12:14:48] <stipet> Ahh...now I think I found the answer...%s is replaced both with domain name and IP in order....
[12:15:08] <rob0> that's true in client lookups, not sure about mynetworks
[12:15:24] <stipet> So to answer my own question I should just filter out the domain names with a !pcre map since I don't care about them
[12:16:45] <rob0> Don, the big places like Y do that in their firewall, and in fact it breaks SMTP.
[12:18:23] <rob0> To block all of Zen in your firewall would require rsync access to the zones, which would cost Mucho Dinero.
[12:18:48] <rob0> A firewall can't do a realtime RBL query.
[12:21:31] <rob0> One thing you can do fairly easily, if you understand the consequences, is "smtpd_delay_reject = no" so that the client is 554'ed right away. You won't have sender and recipient in your logs, and it breaks AUTH (you'd have to use submission for AUTH.)
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[12:37:29] <donald> rob0: thanks. I will have a look at this.
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[12:44:38] <donald> rob0: very nice. It does excactly what i want.
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[13:26:15] <inKult> hy
[13:28:33] <inKult> I want to use a postfix with local distribution (based on unix:passwd.byname) mydestination include somes domains but all testing mails finish bounced due to an loops back (5.4.6)
[13:28:44] <inKult> i don't understand where is the mess
[13:30:07] <shasta> !loopsback
[13:30:08] <knoba> shasta: Error: "loopsback" is not a valid command.
[13:30:12] <shasta> what was that factoid
[13:30:16] <shasta> !loopback
[13:30:16] <knoba> shasta: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[13:30:20] <shasta> there you go
[13:31:12] <inKult> yes but why it try to send it to internet if this mails are for itself
[13:31:56] <inKult> why it doesn't give them to the local delivery
[13:35:50] <inKult> in other way : what is the minimal config to allow local unix user to send mail in a lonly server
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[13:48:38] <sona_> I'm having some issue with "white listing" som mail-adress, I found this in main.cf: reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org , does this mean I'm not using spamassassin ?
[13:49:05] <sona_> Anyway to whitelist using this method ?
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[13:54:46] <rob0> !basic
[13:54:47] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[13:54:53] <rob0> inKult: ^^
[13:55:12] <rob0> sounds like your mydestination is wrong
[13:56:41] <rob0> sona_, if Zen is blocking mail you want to get, chances are, you're using it incorrectly.
[13:56:50] <rob0> !cheatsheet
[13:56:50] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[14:03:36] <sona_> so maybe: check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access.sender in main.cf and add * at domain dot com in it should do the trick ?
[14:04:20] <inKult> ok i need something like "local_transport = local:$mydestinations"
[14:06:27] <rob0> Ugh
[14:06:40] <inKult> mydestinations is good
[14:07:01] <inKult> but the not the local delivery ...
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[14:07:18] <rob0> /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: mydestinations: unknown parameter
[14:10:39] <inKult> nice shot
[14:12:32] <donald> is there a way to modify the DNS Blacklist error message without hacking the source?
[14:13:42] <rob0> Don, rbl_reply_maps
[14:14:39] <donald> rob0: cool, tnx.
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[14:19:42] <BillyBop> vivia: thanks a lot for the .forward file, it just works great !!
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[14:35:27] <Inssomniak> Hi all, does anyone might know what causes "timed out while sending message body" errors?
[14:36:24] <Inssomniak> is it because the message maybe isnt getting to the other end fast enough because my internet pipe is too slow?
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[14:46:53] <JanisB> Hello, where i can find information how to optimize postfix for sending large amount of mails? I have to send 50k mails for my customers, shoud i use for() -type loop to /sbin/sendmail`ing each letter or what?
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[14:52:03] <Gen0cide> Hi i get these errors, what could cause them??
[14:52:04] <Gen0cide> Nov  4 14:49:50 Debian-40-etch-64-LAMP postfix/master[13828]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 14620 exit status 1
[14:52:04] <Gen0cide> Nov  4 14:49:50 Debian-40-etch-64-LAMP postfix/master[13828]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
[14:52:04] <Gen0cide> Nov  4 14:50:50 Debian-40-etch-64-LAMP postfix/smtpd[14636]: fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "/etc/postfix/virtusertable"
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[14:53:41] <shasta> can't you tell from the last line you've pasted?
[14:53:52] <rob0> That looks pretty clear to me.
[14:54:32] <Gen0cide> what should be in place of /etc/postfix/virtusertable?
[14:55:03] <shasta> ...
[14:55:29] <Gen0cide> virtual_maps = /etc/postfix/virtusertable
[14:55:29] <Gen0cide> mydestination = /etc/postfix/local-host-names
[14:55:35] <Gen0cide> I have those two lines
[14:55:49] <rob0> !virtual_maps
[14:55:49] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_maps" : The virtual_maps postconf(5) parameter has been deprecated since Postfix 2.0. If you're using virtual_maps, you're probably following old, outdated information. See !virtual_alias_maps and !virtual_alias_domains for the replacements. See also !google.
[14:56:51] <Gen0cide> !virtual_alias_maps
[14:56:52] <knoba> Gen0cide: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[14:57:41] <Gen0cide> So what should I replace with the depreciated virtual_maps ?
[14:59:42] <Gen0cide> should i put virtual_alias_maps = /etc/postfix/virtusertable  ??
[15:00:02] <shasta> hire an admin
[15:00:02] <rob0> expecting "type:name" form instead of "/etc/postfix/virtusertable"
[15:00:20] <rob0> "hash:/etc/postfix/virtusertable" typically
[15:01:17] <Gen0cide> shasta : lol
[15:02:17] <Gen0cide> so, i need to replace it with virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtusertable
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[15:07:40] <Gen0cide> so?
[15:11:26] <BillyBop> !.forward
[15:11:27] <knoba> BillyBop: Error: ".forward" is not a valid command.
[15:11:47] <BillyBop> try again
[15:11:50] <Gen0cide> ?
[15:12:33] <BillyBop> Gen0cide: was just trying something for me, nothing to do with your case :)
[15:12:57] <Gen0cide> lol cant you just tell me what is wrong?
[15:13:45] <rob0> I already did. How much documentation have you looked at? How much handholding do you expect?
[15:14:29] <Gen0cide> I read up on virtual_alias_maps
[15:15:33] <Gen0cide> !virtual(5)
[15:15:33] <knoba> Gen0cide: Error: "virtual(5)" is not a valid command.
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[15:21:06] <Subdino> hi. in a virtual delivery environment using dovecot (and not "virtual") as an MDA, how can I make postfix check RCPT TO completely (ie, not just the domain, but also the user) ?
[15:21:23] <rob0> Okay, look at /topic a bit. We do expect some basic Unix knowledge here. "virtual(5)" means "man 5 virtual" or virtual.5.html in Postfix HTML documents.
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[15:22:09] <Subdino> users are in a mysql table, and I already setup virtual_mailbox_domains and virtual_alias_maps
[15:22:10] <rob0> !virtual
[15:22:10] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[15:22:17] <rob0> Subdino: ^^
[15:22:40] <rob0> virtual_mailbox_domains but not virtual_mailbox_maps ?
[15:23:10] <rob0> read VIRTUAL_README to learn the difference in virtual mailboxes and aliases
[15:23:42] <Subdino> documentation only mentions usage by virtual delivery, nothing about a use in "reect_unauth_destination"
[15:24:10] <Subdino> and by "virtual" I again mean the "virtual" command
[15:24:50] <vivia> BillyBop: np :)
[15:25:32] <jra> Subdino: huh? there's reject_unauth_destination which works on domains, and there's reject_unlisted_recipient which checks users.
[15:25:57] <Subdino> moreover, I don't see why postfix would hev to know mailbox directory location if it doesn't have to do the delivery itself, and that's why I discarded that option
[15:26:18] <rob0> Did you already 14:24 < rob0> read VIRTUAL_README to learn the difference in virtual mailboxes and aliases
[15:26:57] <Subdino> jra: aha. looks like I overlooked that
[15:30:28] <Subdino> jra: thanks, that's what I was missing. and it points back to virtual_mailbox_maps. that's all I needed
[15:31:41] <rob0> So you're using virtual_mailbox_domains but not using virtual mailboxes at all? That's what virtual_alias_domains is for.
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[16:13:13] <notech> wonder what would happen if i tried to use master.cf and main.cf from a backup of a system a few years old. would enough have changed in that time to cause them to fail?
[16:14:56] <cite> notech: "postfix upgrade-configuration" would most likely tell you
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[16:16:38] <notech> cite: ohh, didn't know about that, will try it and see what it says. thanks
[16:24:11] <notech> cite: didn't get any errors, it just edited a few entries in master.cf
[16:24:22] <notech> hopefully it works now
[16:25:56] <notech> hm, starting the postfix service replied with... starting postfix failed: reloading postfix ok
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[16:30:40] <notech> nope, 5.7.1 rrelay access denied :(
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[16:41:20] <notech> the only thing i found in syslog about the attempt was this...
[16:41:38] <notech> Nov  4 07:37:42 perpetualmadness postfix/smtp[30608]: 3BC4022A454: to=<vheesch at gmail dot com>, orig_to=<webmaster at perpetualmadness dot com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.253.27]:25, delay=5.5, delays=3.3/0.01/0.68/1.5, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1225813062 m28si17101934poh.24)
[16:42:21] <notech> nothing about a relay error
[16:43:55] <dft> heh guys, good morning btw
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[16:53:04] <notech> is it possible that my relay error when trying to send mail from my email client is related to vm-pop3d or pop-before-smtp and not postfix?
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[17:01:40] <notech> postfix/smtpd[30943]: connect from unknown[10.10.10.6]  <-- why would it be unknown? it's on the same LAN as my postfix server? is that normal?
[17:01:50] <f3ew> no rdns
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[17:08:38] <notech> i'm using my isp's dns servers, not using bind here. are you saying my isp changed something on me without notifying me? all this used to work up till about a week ago when my drive failed and i upgraded my OS and tried setting up this server from scratch again. or am i missing something. and would this cause relay errors?
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[17:09:34] <notech> needless to say, i'm very confused
[17:09:41] <jra> your isp won't provide rdns for private ips, you'd have to set that up yourself. if you need it, which you most probably don't.
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[17:10:25] <notech> oh, ok. so that would be a normal 'unknown' message for me then
[17:10:38] <jra> yup
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[17:12:14] <notech> so somehow i am missing something telling postfix it's ok to send mail to any outside domain
[17:12:56] <pickcoder> how can I make postfix run more smtp processes to a specific transport from transport_maps?
[17:13:34] <pickcoder> I thought the concurrency limits would handle it
[17:13:51] <pickcoder> yet I'm still only seeing one connection across the network between servers
[17:15:15] <pickcoder> notech: what is mynetworks set to
[17:17:19] <notech>  -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8
[17:18:01] <pickcoder> so localhost can relay
[17:20:22] <notech> when i try to send mail from a mail client on my LAN to my gmail account (as a test), i get relay denied
[17:20:50] <pickcoder> because you haven't allowed your LAN in mynetworks
[17:20:58] <pickcoder> !mynetworks
[17:20:59] <knoba> pickcoder: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[17:27:56] <pickcoder> how can I configure something similar to sender_dependant_relayhost_maps in v2.2?
[17:28:04] <pickcoder> ~dependent
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[17:28:41] <notech> so mynetworks_style = host is wrong, it should be subnet...if i understand what i found on google about mynetworks
[17:28:52] <pickcoder> !mynetworks_style
[17:28:53] <knoba> pickcoder: "mynetworks_style" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The method to generate the default value for the mynetworks parameter. This is the list of trusted networks for relay access control etc.
[17:29:04] <pickcoder> then there's the postfix.org web site
[17:29:11] <pickcoder> google leads to wrong confgs
[17:29:15] <jra> isn't it subnet by default?
[17:29:24] <pickcoder> jra: on most distros
[17:29:39] <pickcoder> who's to say it wasn't changed
[17:29:40] <jra> it is, postconf -d says
[17:29:54] <pickcoder> jra: I meant in the distro files
[17:30:50] <jra> yeah. whenever i see something with "biff = no" in postconf -n --> *ZING* debian/ubuntu :p
[17:32:07] <notech> sweet, it works now. thanks much for the help.
[17:32:15] * pickcoder pulls out hair
[17:32:22] <pickcoder> wth won't postfix listen to me...
[17:32:46] <pickcoder> I hate running different versions of postfix
[17:33:12] <xpoint> for what ?
[17:33:41] <pickcoder> for what what
[17:33:41] <notech> it was set to 'host' in the config i used several years ago and it seemed to work. something must have changed over the years
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[17:34:52] <pickcoder> short of the short: I have 2.2 on a db server that's sending out newsletters. relayhost sends all mail through server #1.. I'm using server #2 to actually queue the mail and send it throttle
[17:35:01] <pickcoder> the other two machines have 2.3
[17:35:33] <pickcoder> I'm having a beast of a time getting one domain to relay away from relayhost to machine #2
[17:35:47] <pickcoder> transports don't work
[17:35:58] <pickcoder> sender_dependent_relayhost_maps don't exist on 2.2
[17:36:03] <xpoint> should 2.1 not be fairly stable now :-)
[17:36:57] <pickcoder> oh it's stable
[17:37:05] <pickcoder> I just can't use the same options on all the machines
[17:37:21] <pickcoder> it's RH4 for pete's sake so it should have 2.3
[17:37:49] <pickcoder> I suppose even RH has a longer release cycle than Debian
[17:37:52] <pickcoder> :P
[17:38:35] <xpoint> gentoo is fairly uptodate
[17:38:53] <pickcoder> sure.. if you don't mind spending most of your free time running GCC
[17:39:21] * pickcoder doesn't know... just an unsupported jab at another distro
[17:39:21] <xpoint> its around a year since postfix 2.5.5 came
[17:39:22] <notech> thanks again, catch y'all later. have a good day.
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[17:40:01] <pickcoder> xpoint: well we all can't be perfect I suppose
[17:40:17] <pickcoder> but I digress.. I have a problem that must be solved.
[17:40:40] <pickcoder> I only get 2 times a month to fix these problems
[17:40:48] <xpoint> yes, why is a new version of postfix needed ?
[17:40:50] <pickcoder> (luckily)
[17:41:01] <pickcoder> I need to do relayhost for a specific sending domain
[17:41:07] <pickcoder> or transport the mail based on the sending domain
[17:41:23] <xpoint> make a stablelize request on the distro you use
[17:41:45] <pickcoder> mailserver #1 and #2 are fine
[17:41:54] <pickcoder> the problem is on the machine where the mail originates
[17:41:58] <pickcoder> running v2.2
[17:42:09] <pickcoder> I'm sending mail from mailings at newsletter dot all-spec.com
[17:42:17] <xpoint> mx change wont solve it ?
[17:42:26] <pickcoder> (we're sending out holiday sales btw.. )  :)
[17:42:35] <pickcoder> erm no
[17:42:38] <Spec> pickcoder: oh man, an all-spec.com address would be awesome :p
[17:42:40] <pickcoder> this is LAN transports
[17:42:46] <seekwill> pickcoder: lol, I just got your email..
[17:43:05] <pickcoder> I'm abusing the local mail server for no reason
[17:43:12] <pickcoder> b/c relayhost won't be overriden
[17:43:15] <pickcoder> overridden
[17:44:09] <pickcoder> I'll be upgrading to RH5 soon so I guess this is only a temp fix anyway
[17:44:30] <pickcoder> still.. the other users would appreciate me moving the newsletters directly to machine #2
[17:45:15] <pickcoder> seekwill: We're working on an All-Spec gift set but I dunno what the deal is at the moment
[17:45:31] <seekwill> cool
[17:45:34] <pickcoder> I think it's got a leatherman set, a mugboss, logo'd coffee mug, and a lighter
[17:45:44] <pickcoder> for like under $50
[17:46:14] <seekwill> When I got the email, for some reason I knew I signed up for it... but not sure why I did...
[17:46:14] <Spec> Hmm, my leatherman got stolened on holloween :(
[17:46:16] <pickcoder> it's the kick/micra combo
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[17:46:23] <Spec> pickcoder: do you sell the skeletool?
[17:46:41] <seekwill> Sign up for the newsletter and you'll find out! :)
[17:46:46] <Spec> whee :p
[17:46:50] <pickcoder> www.all-spec.com
[17:46:53] <pickcoder> search for skeletool
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[17:46:58] <Spec> i just like the name, all-spec :p
[17:47:01] <Spec> it's all mine! bwahahhaa.
[17:47:19] <pickcoder> there are two skus in the system
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[17:47:27] <pickcoder> yes.. they are on sale too
[17:47:28] <Spec> wow, it's on sale....60$
[17:47:33] <pickcoder> anyway.. back to my problem
[17:47:34] <Spec> i picked mine up for 80 when it was first released
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[17:48:41] <pickcoder> btw.. the buckboss extreme bags are killer
[17:48:48] <pickcoder> ~bucketboss
[17:49:18] <pickcoder> meh.. stop taking me off track!
[17:49:43] <pickcoder> bbiab
[17:55:11] <pickcoder> so.. what are my options on 2.2 for relaying mail coming from a specific domain
[17:55:22] <pickcoder> transports are for destination and obviously don't work
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[18:16:14] <pickcoder> well the postconf.5 page didn't help
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[18:27:28] <pickcoder> geez.. I can't believe how many servers still use challenge/response measures
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[18:30:25] <jra> tmda? ugh.
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[18:33:34] <JC> hi
[18:34:00] <JC> were can i find good docs or info building a postfix server with mysql backend
[18:35:01] <lunaphyte_> where have you looked?
[18:35:04] <pickcoder> install
[18:35:35] <pickcoder> http://www.postfix.org/INSTALL.html
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[18:37:16] <pickcoder> of course "backend" is a broad term
[18:37:29] <pickcoder> mysql can be used for maps
[18:37:40] <lunaphyte_> "backdoor" can be too.
[18:38:20] <pickcoder> and yet they are interchangeable
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[18:44:19] <cdavis_> Is there a tmda like solution for postfix? I can't seem to find any documentation on how to install tmda and postifx which makes me think there is another solution
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[18:45:38] <JC> i understand the postfix side but i dont know you to create the database
[18:45:54] <JC> or will something like postfixadmin do it for me
[18:46:47] <JC> i have a running postfix server with system users
[18:47:04] <JC> i want to setup postfix with mysql to host multiple domains
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[18:47:29] <pickcoder> !mysql
[18:47:30] <knoba> pickcoder: "mysql" : http://www.postfix.org/MYSQL_README.html is helpful in configuring postfix to talk to a mysql server.
[18:47:54] <lunaphyte_> cdavis_: http://tmda.sourceforge.net/
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[18:51:28] <seekwill> lunaphyte: #2 on that is page is false
[18:51:44] <pickcoder> cdavis_: or there aren't enough people running tmda with Postfix to justfiy a FAQ or how-to
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[18:51:56] <seekwill> Commercial antispam solutions like Cloudmark and Commtouch have that nailed pretty well actually
[18:52:48] <lunaphyte_> seekwill: tell cdavis_, not me - he's the looking to use tdma. :)
[18:52:50] <seekwill> Well, I guess if the project is on SF...
[18:52:55] <lunaphyte_> *he's the one...
[18:53:26] <seekwill> cdavis_: #2 on that page is false
[18:54:22] <seekwill> One could assume that the author meant open source AS products like SA or dspam
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[19:09:24] <ki_> Am I understannding this correctly?
[19:09:42] <ki_> status=sent (250 Ok: queued as 05B2D1440050) is a successful delivery, and the receiving mail server has the message queued on its end for delivery
[19:09:55] <growltiger> probably
[19:10:17] <jra> yup
[19:10:21] <ki_> hmmm probably?
[19:10:27] <cos> it means the receiving server told yours that it got the message and queued it
[19:10:27] <ki_> i ask b/c i also have logs that state: status=sent (250 2.0.0 M11Z1a00D3oWU2E0E11Zsf mail accepted for delivery)
[19:10:35] <growltiger> sometimes they lie
[19:10:37] <cos> if you trust the receiving server, then ...
[19:10:48] <pickcoder> heh
[19:10:57] <ki_> well, either way, i can tell the customer, that the mail left our server as it should. thats all i'm worried about
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[19:11:06] <cos> what it says in parens is what the receiving server told yours.
[19:11:07] <pickcoder> it's like handing your keys to the valet attendant
[19:11:17] <cos> sure, you can tell the customer that
[19:11:26] <ki_> okay, great. thank you all for the clarification. postfix rocks
[19:11:35] <cos> if you want to you can give them the log entry with the queue ID so they can contact whoever administers the receiving server
[19:11:46] <cos> they can use that queue ID to see what their server did with the message
[19:12:34] <cos> make sure you pay attention to which server received it, too.  relay=
[19:13:21] <cos> for example, if you're using a relayhost or fallback relay locally, you'd get status=sent but the message is just handed off to another one of your servers, which then has to send it to the recipient
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[19:31:51] <pickcoder> seekwill: have you run the commtouch gateway?
[19:32:07] <seekwill> Yes
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[19:32:17] <seekwill> Sorta... but yes!
[19:32:45] <seekwill> pickcoder: Why?
[19:32:50] <pickcoder> looking into it
[19:33:18] <seekwill> ah
[19:33:52] <pickcoder> is the detection center an internet resource commtouch manages?
[19:35:04] <seekwill> 1 sec, let me find some docs
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[19:35:18] <pickcoder> their info section is a bit generic
[19:35:26] <pickcoder> I don't even know what O/S it runs on!
[19:35:31] <pickcoder> geez
[19:39:33] <seekwill> Yeah, the detection center is theirs
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[19:40:08] <pickcoder> looks to be windoze based
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[19:41:16] <seekwill> The enterprise gateway, right?
[19:41:20] <pickcoder> yeah
[19:41:52] <pickcoder> didn't see an option for Courier or Postfix in the "which mail server software are you using" in the download form
[19:41:59] <pickcoder> or Sendmail for that matter
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[19:45:19] <seekwill> Yeah, I've never used their enterprise gatewahy
[19:45:29] <seekwill> I've only worked on their ISP side
[19:49:26] <seekwill> Did you see their SA plugin?
[19:49:58] <pickcoder> yeah
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[20:21:07] <perlmonkey> good evening guys
[20:21:24] <perlmonkey> is there a way to block postmaster and stop outsiders being able to email it
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[20:53:33] <shasta> are you nuts? :)
[20:53:48] <stockhol1> thats a bad thing to do
[20:53:56] <shasta> or just wanting to end up on rfc-ignorant lists?
[20:53:59] <stockhol1> i guess you get spam to postmaster?
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[21:14:48] <lunaphyte_> !check_receipient_access
[21:14:48] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "check_receipient_access" is not a valid command.
[21:14:57] <lunaphyte_> !check_recipient_access
[21:14:59] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
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[23:18:55] <inad922> hello
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[23:19:36] <inad922> Could somone give me the url on a tutorial on how to config postfix with dyndns?
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[23:24:04] <growltiger> there is nothing you would have to do
[23:24:13] <growltiger> to postfix anyways
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[23:31:05] <inad922> well I dont know when I try to send a test mail to my gmail account im constantly getting status=derefered ... no route to host .. errors
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[23:39:08] <seekwill> Does it really say ... no route to host ...?
[23:39:25] <seekwill> Pasting the full complete exact log line would help
[23:44:09] <adaptr> that's not half as hard to believe as it saying "derefered"...
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[23:54:32] <seekwill> Maybe his IRC packets got derefered by freenode :/
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