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[00:02:42] <perlmonkey> hi guys
[00:03:36] <perlmonkey> I'm having problems getting my pop3 mail working..ive installed postfix + dovecot pop3d i can check mail ok, but mail is not being delivered..i dont even seem to have a mail queue in /var/mail am I missing something?
[00:05:13] <adaptr> several things
[00:05:23] <adaptr> 1. it's not a mail queue, it's a mail*box*
[00:05:29] <perlmonkey> ok
[00:05:35] <adaptr> and 2. this has nothing to do with POP or any other protocol
[00:05:41] <adaptr> you rmailboxen are not configured properly
[00:05:47] <adaptr> or your postfix is not routing properly
[00:05:49] <perlmonkey> :(
[00:06:19] <adaptr> !home_mailbox
[00:06:20] <knoba> adaptr: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[00:06:28] <adaptr> what is that set to
[00:06:29] <perlmonkey> ah
[00:06:41] <adaptr> postconf home_mailbox
[00:07:32] <perlmonkey> its empty!
[00:07:58] <adaptr> then it's no wonder you're not getting any mail
[00:08:00] <adaptr> set it
[00:08:17] <rob0> um, the mail IS being delivered somewhere
[00:08:26] <adaptr> although it should still create boxes in /var/spool/mail
[00:08:29] <perlmonkey> ok, i dont even have that option in master.cf i will add it
[00:08:37] <adaptr> +1
[00:08:39] <rob0> !basic
[00:08:40] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[00:08:49] <rob0> master.cf is the wrong file
[00:09:01] <perlmonkey> sorry i meant main.cf
[00:10:55] <perlmonkey> how can I set home_mailbox when there's more than one user on system
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[00:11:38] <rob0> reread the factoid, it is a RELATIVE location
[00:12:35] <perlmonkey> ok
[00:13:00] <rob0> anyway ... 23:09 < rob0> um, the mail IS being delivered somewhere
[00:13:10] <perlmonkey> it must be yes
[00:13:15] <rob0> home_mailbox is optional
[00:13:35] <rob0> Debian or derivative thereof?
[00:14:11] <perlmonkey> yes indeed, Ubuntu
[00:14:22] <perlmonkey> im now seeing mail in /var/mail
[00:14:39] <perlmonkey> and when i type mail, i got the mail queue
[00:14:47] <rob0> they set mailbox_command if procmail is installed
[00:14:48] <perlmonkey> but nothing on pop3 still
[00:15:13] <perlmonkey> should I remove dovecot and install procmail?
[00:16:00] <perlmonkey> procmail is already installed
[00:16:27] <jair> adaptr: before i leave, i notice that after I installed the package courier-pop3 a certificate was created defaul and I think a password too.  so after testing the account locally it works but when i am setting up the thunderbird I am getting an athentication error from courier pop3 invalid password :(
[00:17:02] <jair> adaptr: do I need to run a command to reset that information and create a new password? and put the right information on the certificate that was created
[00:17:22] <adaptr> you need to investigate POP3S (TLS/SSL)
[00:17:33] <jair> ok
[00:17:37] <adaptr> it';s not a 5-minute answer for me, and certainly not a 5-hour solution for yuo
[00:17:42] <adaptr> it will take study
[00:17:49] <perlmonkey> still not getting mail delivered via pop3
[00:17:55] <jair> ok
[00:17:56] <jair> ok
[00:18:05] <perlmonkey> sux
[00:18:32] <adaptr> perlmonkey: no mail will ever be delivered via POP
[00:19:47] <perlmonkey> so how do i retrieve my mail
[00:19:55] <arooni> how do i set it up so that postfix is always launched when ubuntu loads?  usuing ubuntuy-server
[00:20:21] <adaptr> it always is
[00:20:42] <adaptr> perlmonkey: since when does delivery have anything to do with retrieval ?
[00:21:01] <heikki2> ;)
[00:24:19] <perlmonkey> my mail isnt being shunted to the right mailbox
[00:24:28] <heikki2> arooni: sysv-rc-conf
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[00:24:36] <perlmonkey> or else im not able to retrieve it via pop3 for some reason
[00:24:42] <perlmonkey> its a mystery
[00:25:07] <heikki2> ok, my problem is that system users get their mail to mbox in /var/mail/user while virtual users get their mail in maildir. i'd like to get all mail to maildirs... this is my postconf output: http://rafb.net/p/ijELz773.html and this is my dovecot.conf: http://rafb.net/p/0asQhD26.html
[00:25:23] <perlmonkey> I think the problem is with dovecot not postfix
[00:25:54] <xpoint> perlmonkey, only dovecot if its dovecot delivery always
[00:26:10] <perlmonkey> yes
[00:27:30] <xpoint> heikki2, delete main.cf and ask how to make better one
[00:27:48] <heikki2> this one was generated by a guide :D
[00:27:54] <xpoint> 590 lines is not very cleaver done
[00:28:08] <heikki2> mostly commented out
[00:28:19] <xpoint> delete it
[00:29:26] <xpoint> or you can make a new one with postconf -d > main.cf it was 10 sec exesise
[00:30:01] <xpoint> dont add ALL defaults into main.cf
[00:30:16] <heikki2> did i say that output was main.cf?
[00:30:18] <heikki2> it isn't
[00:30:41] <rob0> try "postconf -n"
[00:30:44] <xpoint> only things that need to be changed from postconf -d need to be in main.cf not 590 lines as you show
[00:30:45] <heikki2> it was postconf :> But i should have given you postconf -n
[00:30:52] <rob0> indeed
[00:31:22] <perlmonkey> this sucks
[00:31:43] <perlmonkey> can anyone recommend a pop3 server that actually works
[00:31:55] <xpoint> perlmonkey, dovecot
[00:32:03] <perlmonkey> that doesn't work
[00:32:14] <heikki2> ok, the new file, postconf -n: http://rafb.net/p/tVL1fy63.html
[00:32:17] <xpoint> configure it wroung so
[00:33:31] <xpoint> heikki2, remove line 12 15 16
[00:35:22] <heikki2> why remove mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/24
[00:35:43] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep mynetworks
[00:36:19] <xpoint> is postfix running behind a router with rfc1918 lan ip ?
[00:36:49] <heikki2> this is just a local postfix to test the settings before applying to the real server
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[00:37:03] <xpoint> postfix always need one wan ip in the main.cf
[00:37:16] <adaptr> xpoint: of course not
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[00:37:27] <heikki2> well, it worls fine without it
[00:37:35] <heikki2> but the mail is delievered to wrong place
[00:37:54] <xpoint> adaptr, what ?
[00:37:57] <perlmonkey> ive fixed it guys!
[00:38:01] <heikki2> for system users
[00:38:04] <perlmonkey> got mail now via pop3
[00:38:29] <adaptr> xpoint: postfix needs a public IP in main.cf - for what ?
[00:38:31] <perlmonkey> and a warm glowy feeling
[00:38:43] <perlmonkey> im gonna sleep now, thanks all for your help
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[00:39:13] <xpoint> adaptr, if its just outgoing mta there is no need currect, but if it need to recieve olso
[00:39:30] <adaptr> if it needs to receive - and then ?
[00:39:44] <xpoint> proxy_interfaces
[00:39:54] <adaptr> postfix does not determine whether mail will end up on an IP it is listening on
[00:39:59] <heikki2> this server will receive locally only, from localhost, because as i said, this is a test setup before i apply the settings to the real server
[00:40:03] <adaptr> the system determines that
[00:40:46] <heikki2> s/will/will need to/
[00:41:11] <adaptr> hard to test settings if you don't test a real configuration
[00:41:31] <xpoint> heikki2, inet_interfaces = all change to inet_interfaces = lo then
[00:41:48] <heikki2> well, i'm behind a firewall, so it doesn't matter
[00:42:10] <heikki2> or, i don't remember if it filters that port... but anyhow
[00:42:18] <xpoint> heikki2, proxy_interfaces=wan-ip
[00:42:49] <heikki2> and how does this setting help me with my original problem? :>
[00:43:11] <xpoint> how would i help you ?
[00:43:29] <heikki2> :) I need to get all mail to maildir, not mbox
[00:44:05] <heikki2> and now the unix-user accounts will get the mail to /var/mail/username which is mbox, and virtual users from mysql will get their mail to maildir
[00:44:10] <heikki2> this is not the way i want it
[00:44:19] <adaptr> !maildir
[00:44:19] <knoba> adaptr: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[00:44:27] <heikki2> all should go to maildir
[00:44:28] <xpoint> heikki2, procmail or dovecot ?
[00:44:28] <adaptr> simple as that
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[00:44:35] <heikki2> dovecot
[00:45:06] <xpoint> and why procmail when dovecot can do sieve :)
[00:45:11] <adaptr> also set the mailbox format in dovecot.conf
[00:45:15] <adaptr> done
[00:45:18] <adaptr> reload both
[00:45:38] <adaptr> then run mbox2maildr or whatever they call it to convert yor current mboxen
[00:46:24] <xpoint> adaptr, dovecot have a pluing for mbox2maildir "convert" in dovecot.conf
[00:46:38] <adaptr> nice
[00:47:11] <xpoint> mbox can even be gz'ped if only need to be read only
[00:48:33] <heikki2> adaptr: do you mean this? mail_location = maildir:/home/vmail/maildirs/%d/%n/maildir/
[00:48:48] <adaptr> yes
[00:48:53] <heikki2> it is there already
[00:49:08] <heikki2> and still the mail goes to mbox: /var/mail for system users
[00:49:21] <adaptr> why do you think dovecot delivers your mail ?
[00:49:28] <adaptr> hint: it doesn't
[00:49:31] <heikki2> i don't
[00:49:47] <heikki2> postfix does
[00:49:51] <xpoint> heikki2, change procmail to delivery
[00:50:16] <xpoint> lda = delivery in dovecot
[00:50:48] <xpoint> procmail is another lda in postfix that dont know what you want in dovecot
[00:51:04] <heikki2> ok
[00:52:38] <xpoint> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix
[00:52:50] <xpoint> as easy as 42
[00:52:56] <rob0> mail_location in dovecot.conf can be relative to $HOME, for both system and virtual users.
[00:52:58] <heikki2> so i leave mailbox_command blank?
[00:52:59] <adaptr> that took 500 million years!
[00:53:13] <xpoint> heikki2, see url
[00:53:26] <adaptr> xpoint: dovecot delivery, fine - and ? why would I want it ?
[00:53:36] <heikki2> pl
[00:53:39] <heikki2> ok
[00:55:05] <xpoint> adaptr, i dont know if you need it, so i dont know why you want it either
[00:55:07] <rob0> "mail_location = maildir:~/Mail" is mine, "~" works for system and virtual users.
[00:56:00] <heikki2> and where will the mail be located then for the virtual users?
[00:56:04] <adaptr> xpoint: well, right now I have just set up a new box, so not even procmail yet, just local(8)
[00:56:16] <adaptr> I just heard that dovecot LDA can do sieve filtering
[00:56:36] <adaptr> is that any good ? I understand you need to write stuff for it, even more so than for procmail, which one gets used to eventually
[00:56:47] <xpoint> adaptr, fine, but local cant do sieve in dovecot
[00:56:53] <adaptr> oh
[00:56:54] <heikki2> rob0: because virtual users don't have home directories
[00:57:10] <adaptr> !virtual_mailbox_base
[00:57:11] <knoba> adaptr: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[00:57:22] <rob0> http://wiki.dovecot.org/VirtualUsers Yes they do
[00:58:01] <xpoint> heikki2, HOME can be in mysql so each user have a home dir olso
[00:58:02] <rob0> You are typing so much here ... have you read any of these links?
[00:58:36] <xpoint> heikki2, just define the HOME from mysql maps in dovecot-sql.conf
[00:59:23] <xpoint> just remmember to have same uid,gid maps in postfix virtual
[00:59:36] <xpoint> as in dovecot deliver
[01:00:01] <xpoint> it can be static and dynamic
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[01:01:31] <heikki2> :)
[01:07:04] <cdavis> I am a newbie to postfix but used qmail for a long time. What listserv would I likely find easy to use?
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[01:09:27] <heikki2> temporary failure. Command output: Can't open log file /home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log: Permission denied
[01:11:16] <heikki2> lol, log file could not be opened and the mail was transferred to a wrong place
[01:11:30] <heikki2> i did nothing else but chmod 777 to that file and now it works
[01:11:44] <xpoint> heikki2, cleaver
[01:12:00] <heikki2> 777 is not good, but anyhow
[01:12:20] <xpoint> move the log outside home
[01:12:22] <heikki2> how do i see which user is writing that file? It isn't root or vmail
[01:12:32] <xpoint> ls
[01:12:47] <heikki2> ls? it won't show me who is trying to write to it
[01:13:01] <heikki2> only who owns it
[01:13:13] <heikki2> and for some reason it was root:root
[01:14:01] <xpoint> he you got me there, there is no log, so nowhere to see the error on what user trying to write
[01:14:41] <heikki2> there is a log file
[01:15:00] <heikki2> but not writable to the user that tries to write it
[01:16:19] <heikki2> eh, it is written by the user that is using imap
[01:16:22] <heikki2> the system user
[01:16:56] <adaptr> !mailbox_transport
[01:16:56] <knoba> adaptr: "mailbox_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery to all local recipients, whether or not they are found in the UNIX passwd database.
[01:17:52] <adaptr> xpoint: should I use a transport for deliver, or just mailbox_command ?
[01:18:00] * adaptr get sconfused all over again
[01:18:57] <xpoint> for system user ?
[01:19:09] <adaptr> local(8), yes
[01:19:26] <xpoint> no need see it as procmail deluxe
[01:19:40] <adaptr> oh, I see - m_cmd would also invoke it for virtual delivery ?
[01:19:49] <xpoint> yep
[01:20:05] <adaptr> well, it's now not writing my dovecot log, which was root:root
[01:20:23] <adaptr> and I'm currently trying to find deliver's options to set that user
[01:20:30] <xpoint> dovecot does the same things for virtual users as system users, only diff is the auth backend
[01:20:50] <adaptr> if just named as-is, it will run as the postfix user, presumily ?
[01:21:12] <xpoint> adaptr, read you docs on postfix
[01:21:16] <adaptr> sigh
[01:21:34] <xpoint> postfix will newer deliver to postfix user !
[01:21:54] <adaptr> so it runs deliver(8) as the mailbox owner ?
[01:21:58] <adaptr> that can't work
[01:22:21] <adaptr> postfix dun't know the owner, it hands that off to deliver
[01:22:39] <xpoint> it deliver as the user defined in master.cf and postfix virtual uid gid
[01:22:40] <adaptr> I am asking which user the postfix master will run deliver as
[01:23:15] <adaptr> since I have no transport for deliver, there is nothing in master.cf
[01:23:25] <xpoint> see dovecot transport in master.cf
[01:23:40] <adaptr> why would I need one if I use mailbox_command ?
[01:23:49] <adaptr> you're not making it any easier! :)
[01:23:59] <xpoint> dovecot   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[01:23:59] <xpoint>   flags=DRhu user=vmail:vmail argv=/usr/local/libexec/dovecot/deliver -f ${sender} -d ${recipient}
[01:24:09] <xpoint> user=vmail
[01:24:10] <adaptr> yes.. and I'm NOT USING IT
[01:24:30] <xpoint> then you dont have the problem either
[01:24:34] <adaptr> you said consider it procmail deluxe, so I put it in mailbox_command, like one would use procmail
[01:24:44] <xpoint> yes
[01:24:49] <adaptr> as which user does postfix run the mailbox_command ?
[01:25:25] <adaptr> I don't need it *for* anything, I am just playing around with it, and I do want it to log
[01:25:32] <adaptr> not about to chmod 0666 my log file
[01:26:06] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep default_privs
[01:26:39] <xpoint> mailbox_command use that user
[01:27:05] <adaptr> The command is run with the user ID and the primary group ID privileges of the recipient.
[01:27:14] <adaptr> that's what Wietse says
[01:27:25] <xpoint> not mailbox_command
[01:27:37] <adaptr> that is the main.cf man page
[01:27:41] <adaptr> for mailbox_command
[01:28:07] <adaptr> which makes me wonder how it even knows who the recipient is iwhen it hands delivery off to an external program...
[01:28:16] <xpoint> this is valid for local, not for dovecot
[01:28:34] <heikki2> ok thanks a lot :)
[01:28:40] <heikki2> got all working
[01:29:00] <adaptr> xpoint: I AM using that, so why would the man page be wrong ?
[01:29:16] <adaptr> local(8) calls that command, which is dovecot deliver
[01:29:43] <xpoint> local calls dovecot ?, can you show me the logs for that ?
[01:29:47] <adaptr> if it runs it as the recipient user then postfix already knows who that is, which means it functions entirely different than the transport method
[01:30:05] <adaptr> it's what the man page says
[01:30:17] <adaptr> Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery.
[01:30:31] <adaptr> followed by the first paste
[01:30:46] <adaptr> perhaps we have different man pages
[01:30:52] <adaptr> but this is from postfix.org
[01:30:58] <xpoint> diffrent worlds even :)
[01:31:16] <xpoint> heikki2, super now test sieve
[01:34:46] <cdavis> In setting up a mailing list, most howto's say to: "lists.example.com      mailman:" Is there any reason why I can't "list at example dot com      mailman:"?
[01:34:46] <adaptr> chmod 0666 dovecot.log.. how very very sad
[01:35:13] <adaptr> one usually uses a distinct domain to maintain mailing lists
[01:35:17] <shasta> evil, pure evil
[01:35:25] <heikki2> sieve :O
[01:36:45] <cdavis> adaptr, I have several virtual domains, some of which want lists some don't. I have always setup ie, gigs-list at domain dot com or announce-list at anotherdomain dot com
[01:37:10] <adaptr> then of course you can
[01:38:55] <cdavis> thanks
[01:39:32] <xpoint> cdavis, dont use domain.com as maillist domain, use a subdomain on a domain to destinct users
[01:40:55] <cdavis> xpoint, ok. That sort of makes sense as I am reading how to configure a list
[01:41:11] <xpoint> olso that lists.example.com will be bypassed most greylisters and if ptr record on dns says its a lists. none will greylist it :)
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[01:57:25] <jduggan> you whitelist *.lists.* ?
[01:57:55] <xpoint> 42
[01:58:18] <heikki2> the meaning of everything
[01:58:23] <jair> I am so sorry but I can not find a logical answer to the problem I am having and believe me I has been for about three hours looking for someone with the same issue or reading about the F#$% courier with TLS
[01:58:45] <adaptr> drop courier and convert to dovecot like a sane-ee
[01:58:50] <adaptr> SASL is a breeze
[01:58:58] <adaptr> erm, TLS, sorry
[01:59:02] <adaptr> oh, TLS
[01:59:06] <adaptr> damn, I should sleep
[01:59:17] <jair> I am already using sasl already with smtp
[01:59:21] <xpoint> adaptr, courier mta flags is good
[01:59:25] <jair> I am sure that there is a little thing
[01:59:35] <adaptr> flags ?
[01:59:39] <jair> I can not access to the pop but I can without issues to the smtp
[01:59:44] <jair> yes I have the logs
[01:59:54] <xpoint> adaptr, but postfix/dovecot/what ever is not there
[02:00:18] <jair> http://paste.debian.net/20549/
[02:01:32] <jair> this is ridiculus, when I installed smtp postfix with tls I did run a command that prompt me for country, blah blah was interactive and I can log in to smtp ok,  but if I try to test the pop I get password incorrect WTF
[02:01:58] <adaptr> authentication has zero to do with SSL
[02:02:05] <jair> the courier-pop created a certificate wihtout even promp me, it created something about new york watever
[02:02:07] <adaptr> so perhaps this is not even remotely the same issue
[02:02:19] <jair> well you saw the log right
[02:02:23] <adaptr> no
[02:02:28] <jair> http://paste.debian.net/20549/
[02:02:35] <jair> that is all I get
[02:03:09] <adaptr> if you wish to use POP3S or IMAPS, then set it up, but it doesn't touch postfix in any way
[02:03:21] <jair> if I test telnet <ip-of-mailserver> 110 I can get to the server but then it ask me for password and none of the passwords work
[02:03:34] <jair> ok
[02:03:41] <adaptr> that is plain POP3
[02:03:46] <adaptr> which has nothing to do with SSL
[02:04:01] <jair> so then help me out here guys... ok so then why it is asking me for a password
[02:04:25] * jair is about to jump through the window
[02:04:54] <adaptr> because you are accessing a mail system that wants to know if you are authorized to be there
[02:04:55] <xpoint> authusertest root
[02:05:14] <adaptr> do you mean hotmail never asks you for a password ?
[02:05:27] <jair> hotmail does
[02:05:32] <jair> but this is my own email
[02:05:34] <jair> server
[02:05:34] <adaptr> and your POP server should not ?
[02:05:44] <jair> what will be the password then?
[02:05:52] <adaptr> better re-think your strategy
[02:05:55] <xpoint> jair, see:
[02:05:57] <xpoint> authusertest root
[02:05:59] <jair> I know what the password is, i have the same password for everything
[02:06:05] <adaptr> +1
[02:06:12] <jair> what is that xpoint
[02:06:13] <jair> ???
[02:06:21] <jair> I don't understand what are you telling me
[02:06:30] <jair> +1???
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[02:06:37] <jair> what is that??
[02:06:40] <thumbs> haha
[02:06:46] <xpoint> it depends on how your auth backend is
[02:07:43] <xpoint> jair, and one password for anything is bad in its own
[02:08:08] <jair> auth? I just did this for GOD sake: 1. install debian, 2. installed postfix, 3. configure smtp with tls.  up to here everything works, but I had the mbox configuration type.  I can send emails and received emails, all on "/var/mail/jair/"
[02:08:29] <adaptr> wow
[02:08:37] <adaptr> you either need to sleep or take your pills
[02:08:50] <jair> xpoint: you know SHIT! stop saying stupid comments and say something useful,
[02:09:06] <jair> hmm
[02:09:15] <jair> I will not answer to that
[02:09:15] <xpoint> jair, no i might start using debian now
[02:09:38] <xpoint> its so powerfull :)
[02:10:09] <jair> so.  I installed the packages ---> courier-authdaemon courier-base courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-pop courier-pop-ssl courier-ssl gamin libgamin0 libglib2.0-0
[02:10:32] <xpoint> jair, why did you do this ? :)
[02:11:00] <jair> then I did this: http://paste.debian.net/20550/
[02:11:17] * jair is FUCKING ignoring this idiot xpoint
[02:11:18] <adaptr> jair: are you looking to get kicked ? I can rustle up an op or two if you'd like
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[02:11:32] <jair> he is making fun of me
[02:11:40] <adaptr> one more asenine comment and you're ignored
[02:11:43] <xpoint> jair, no you did not, show me the howto you followed, not just a bad output from localhost
[02:11:43] <jair> he keeps making stupid comments
[02:11:56] <adaptr> you're acting like a  child
[02:12:02] <adaptr> so stop it or leave
[02:12:23] <jair> I am just giving you the information needed to find a solution
[02:12:28] <jair> that is all I am doing
[02:12:51] <jair> ok
[02:13:30] <jair> adaptr: I apologize, but I do not say anything on the channels unless is to help, instead of making fun and frustrating more new peeople
[02:13:32] <adaptr> and I advised you some hours ago that effort on your part is not optional, it is expected
[02:13:51] <adaptr> jair: you are cursing and insulting somebody who is tryig to help you, and he already has you ignored now
[02:13:55] <adaptr> good job
[02:14:20] <jair> adaptr: he was not helping me, please check the history
[02:14:24] <jair> the log
[02:14:42] <adaptr> I have SEEN every single insult you shouted at him, what more would I need ?
[02:14:50] <adaptr> give it up, you're wrong
[02:14:54] <jair> I am
[02:14:56] <jair> ok
[02:15:22] <jair> I am wrong, but he was just provoking me when I am seriuosly trying hard to get this email client and server to work
[02:15:30] <adaptr> he did not provoke you
[02:15:45] <adaptr> drop it, I am not warning you again
[02:16:14] <jair> I haven't mention anything
[02:16:14] * thumbs wonders if some folks really want to get helped.
[02:16:34] <jair> alright.  should I ask the channel for help then?
[02:16:57] <thumbs> you can start by not barking at the people that try to help you.
[02:17:02] <adaptr> who knows ? do you WANT help, or just bitch about nobody helping you ?
[02:17:21] <adaptr> we like that last part, there are good opportunities for learning either way
[02:17:27] <xpoint> thumbs, me 2, debian is not the best os for beginners that dont read docs or even show what howto thay listen to
[02:17:49] <jair> I installed the packages ---> courier-authdaemon courier-base courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-pop courier-pop-ssl courier-ssl gamin libgamin0 libglib2.0-0
[02:17:53] <jair> ok
[02:18:08] <jair> because I want to be able of configure an email client in a remote laptop
[02:18:16] <jair> evolution in this case
[02:18:26] <thumbs> xpoint: s/debian/linux/
[02:18:44] <xpoint> thumbs, fair enough, sorry
[02:18:47] <jair> configuring the client I was asked to put the username: jair and password (I know my password)
[02:19:14] <adaptr> I'm amazed
[02:19:15] <jair> when I click send/received I get a prompt from the client email asking for a password for pop
[02:19:31] <adaptr> and your logs are not relevant at all, are they ?
[02:19:41] <xpoint> thumbs, maybe just me thats install all from source like gentoo/freebsd does
[02:20:10] <jair> they are, they just keep telling me ====> Nov  2 18:41:59 mail courierpop3login: LOGIN FAILED, user=jair at persistentit dot com, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.126]
[02:20:16] <thumbs> xpoint: I use slack. Regardless, running linux requires a certain competence level, especially if you're gonna run a server.
[02:20:26] <jair> adaptr: believe me I try using jair at persistentit dot com as user name
[02:20:32] <jair> and it still not work
[02:20:47] <jair> in the configuration of the pop, I have options like non, ssl, and tls
[02:20:59] <jair> I try all three of them and I keep getting the propmt for a password
[02:21:04] <jair> what I am missing
[02:21:05] <adaptr> why should I believe anything you say, when it's so disjointed and chaotic that I might as well be teaching a class of monkeys ?
[02:21:19] <xpoint> jair, you know your login to the box ?, do you use pam auth in courier-authlib ?, did you test "authusertest root rootpasswd" did it succes ?
[02:21:20] <adaptr> do the steps. learn what is happening, and WHY
[02:21:27] <adaptr> STUDY
[02:21:30] <adaptr> THINK
[02:21:34] <adaptr> come back in a year or two
[02:21:53] <adaptr> and please don't be surprised if I blacklist that domain in the meantime
[02:22:37] <jair> adaptr: I am not trying to look for problems with you my friend.  I stoped the cursing and I am just fine.
[02:22:55] <jair> xpoint: I am sorry man.  I was just frustrated
[02:22:59] <adaptr> I'm your friend now ? DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER
[02:23:00] <jair> anyway
[02:23:03] <jair> let me check that
[02:23:16] <xpoint> thumbs, yes, i have being around some years to conclude that olso, started with suse and later redhat, later fedore, later freebsd, later redhat, later gentoo, now i stay at gentoo and love it :)
[02:23:45] <jair> xpoint: mail:~# authusertest root rootpasswd
[02:23:50] <jair> that is what I get
[02:23:55] <thumbs> xpoint: if you're good with it, sure. Stick with what you like.
[02:24:21] <jair> about the question if I am using pam, or authlib?? how can i know that?
[02:24:53] <xpoint> jair, that means debian does not install that program in the courier-authlib
[02:26:06] <xpoint> see /etc/courier-authlib if that dir exists on debian
[02:26:13] <jair> xpoint: so you think I need to reset that password that I never put...? because I do not remember putting a password or been prompt for a password when I installed courier-pop3
[02:26:16] <jair> xpoint: so you think I need to reset that password that I never put...? because I do not remember putting a password or been prompt for a password when I installed courier-pop
[02:26:27] <jair> let me check
[02:27:05] <jair> this is all I have in the directory: /etc/courier ==>authdaemonrc  authmodulelist  imapd  imapd.cnf  imapd.pem  imapd-ssl  pop3d  pop3d.cnf  pop3d.pem  pop3d-ssl
[02:27:35] <xpoint> see the authdaemonrc file
[02:27:44] <jair> one sec
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[02:29:01] <jair> xpoint: not info about password there.
[02:29:15] <jair> xpoint: do you want me to paste it on paste.debian.net?
[02:30:32] <xpoint> no
[02:30:43] <jair> ok
[02:30:55] <xpoint> whats in authmodulelist ?
[02:31:00] <jair> one sec
[02:31:22] <jair> authdaemon
[02:31:26] <jair> that is all it have on it
[02:31:36] <xpoint> okay
[02:31:59] <jair> but I can search on debian repos for the file: authusertest
[02:32:00] <xpoint> the rc file is missing mysql if you dont want pam auth
[02:32:05] <jair> let me see what I can find
[02:32:27] <jair> I do not have mysql on the server, it is a plain debian, with postfix nothing else
[02:32:54] <xpoint> then you have it all, in the rc file configure it for pam
[02:32:59] <jair> debian, postfix, courier-imap and courier-pop but I am not doing anything with courier-imap
[02:33:10] <jair> ???
[02:33:26] <xpoint> courier-imap uses courier-authlib
[02:33:49] <jair> I am not using or trying to use courier imap though
[02:33:53] <xpoint> with can use pam mysql userdb, postgresql you name it
[02:34:06] <jair> all i want to be able of use is courier-pop like any other pop
[02:34:52] <xpoint> thats okay, courier-pop3 olso uses courier-authlib
[02:34:52] <jair> should I remove the whole courier stuff and use some other pop system for Debian?
[02:34:56] <jair> ok
[02:35:12] <jair> so should I look for courier-authlib then
[02:35:33] <xpoint> you just have to get pam working in courer-authlib no more no less
[02:35:57] <jair> http://paste.debian.net/20552/
[02:35:59] <jair> there it is
[02:36:07] <jair> I think that is the package you are talking about
[02:36:30] <jair> so I will install it => courier-authlib
[02:36:32] <jair> right?
[02:37:00] <xpoint> yes
[02:37:18] <jair> well actually it was installed, but the dev one was not
[02:37:21] <xpoint> only line 2 need to be installed, the rest is optional
[02:37:27] <jair> so i installed this one: courier-authlib-dev
[02:37:48] <jair> line two was already installed
[02:38:01] <xpoint> good now configure it
[02:38:10] <jair> let me try to run the command again: authusertest root rootpasswd
[02:38:21] <xpoint> we are olso OT here, since its not postfix
[02:38:31] <jair> OT?
[02:38:33] <jair> mail:/etc/courier# authusertest root rootpasswd
[02:38:36] <jair> nothing
[02:38:43] <jair> how should I configure it?
[02:38:58] * jair is googling again
[02:39:11] <xpoint> jair, skip that part, bad that debian is not help full on package maintains there
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[02:39:42] <xpoint> root have no mailbox, so its just an example
[02:41:20] <jair> ok
[02:41:21] <jair> ok
[02:41:44] <jair> so should I try the user jair who does have an maildir on the home directory
[02:42:10] <jair> configure courier-pop password pam <=== is this what i should be looking on google?
[02:42:28] <xpoint> yes
[02:42:51] <xpoint> more likely still courier-authlib
[02:42:51] <adaptr> and people still wonder why I prefer dovecot
[02:43:14] <xpoint> adaptr, if its more easy on debin :)
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[02:43:28] <thumbs> it's more easy period.
[02:43:33] <adaptr> xpoint: to get dovecot IMAP working ? shit yes, takes me 10 minutes at most
[02:44:17] <xpoint> adaptr, best part of dovecot is "dovecot -n"
[02:44:24] <adaptr> never used it
[02:44:38] <adaptr> never needed to, whatever it does
[02:44:54] <xpoint> newer used postconf -n either ?
[02:44:58] <jair> well it looks like I don't know how to get this thing working, so i will have to take a break, again xpoint thank you.
[02:45:10] <jair> I will continue checking on the internet
[02:45:16] <jair> maybe #debian
[02:45:20] <jair> Thank you
[02:45:22] <adaptr> it looks to me like you have too little clue of what you want to get working in the first place
[02:45:29] <xpoint> jair, or #couerier
[02:45:34] <jair> right
[02:45:37] <jair> Thanks
[02:45:45] <thumbs> xpoint: I doubt anyone is in #couerier :(
[02:45:46] <adaptr> every single component doesn't take more than half an hour to set up
[02:45:49] <xpoint> adaptr, be helpfull
[02:45:57] <adaptr> I am, it is solid advice
[02:46:21] <jair> adaptr: I think that xpoint understand what I want, i can't believe you don't
[02:46:25] <thumbs> I have to agree here - it's harsh, but hardly constructive
[02:46:27] <adaptr> he doesn't understand how a Unix system, SMTP, POP, auth, TLS and whatnot work together - at all
[02:46:41] <jair> alright
[02:46:55] <adaptr> so i suggest to take it piece by piece
[02:47:07] <adaptr> and ovecot just happens to be a very friendly piece
[02:47:10] <jair> I don't and I will go study and keep reading and keep learning non stop
[02:47:25] <adaptr> courier, IME, isn't
[02:47:35] <adaptr> but then, remember uw-imap ? :D
[02:47:44] <jair> Thank you people
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[02:47:54] <xpoint> adaptr, courier is one big whants all in one package
[02:48:12] <adaptr> actually, that would be dovecot - all you need in one simple app
[02:48:16] <xpoint> even webmail
[02:48:20] <adaptr> courier just swaggers all over the place
[02:48:31] <adaptr> roundcube ftweb
[02:48:38] <adaptr> it's lurrvely
[02:48:50] <xpoint> roundcube have no sieve :)
[02:49:16] <adaptr> since you can do sieve in the LDA, who needs it ?
[02:49:45] <xpoint> i ment sieve client
[02:50:36] <xpoint> http://smartsieve.sourceforge.net/
[02:52:21] <adaptr> now, what would be REALLY smart is if it could interface with an LDA-side sieve, a la Exchange/Outhouse
[02:52:27] <xpoint> squirrelmail have avelsieve plugin, still works, but drawbacks on both is that you can only use one webui, not a mix of them
[02:53:52] <cdavis> If I define a transport_maps for my lists.example.com do I need to define every other domain to virtual: ?
[02:54:21] <xpoint> cdavis, mailman ?
[02:54:33] <cdavis> xpoint, yes mailman
[02:54:44] <xpoint> see mailman virtual with postfix then
[02:54:47] <adaptr> cdavis: everything not in transport_maps will use the default transport for its protocol
[02:55:06] <cdavis> adaptr, thank you. I have something else wrong then
[02:55:38] <adaptr> unless you define addresses in it, I think it works on a per-domain basis
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[02:56:07] <adaptr> so if you define joe at domain dot com smtp:whatever, you have to define the rest of the domain with a wildcard
[02:56:30] <xpoint> adaptr, if configured without virtual then its like local delivery with pipes in alias
[02:56:46] <adaptr> yes, I was thinking of virtual
[02:57:03] <xpoint> mailman can run virtual
[02:57:28] <xpoint> and postfix then just need to use the mailman postfix maps maintained in mailman
[02:57:59] <cdavis> As soon as I enable the transport_maps line I get (address resolver failure) in the logs
[02:58:03] <xpoint> so cdavis read mailman and how to run virtual mailman :)
[02:58:25] <xpoint> cdavis, forget the transport_maps
[02:58:30] <cdavis> oh, I didn't realize there would be a difference between virtual and local
[02:58:44] <thumbs> adaptr: I give up on that dweeb
[02:58:59] <adaptr> which of them ?
[02:59:22] <thumbs> adaptr: [domon]
[02:59:26] <adaptr> ah
[02:59:30] <adaptr> nasty nick, too
[02:59:49] <adaptr> I really don't like people who think it's going to make them .. whatever they thinks it makes them
[02:59:57] <adaptr> and he's no domon
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[03:00:18] <adaptr> who is respectably knowledgable about mysql, for obvious reasons
[03:00:59] * xpoint wonder why mailman does not use sql backend for its config
[03:01:59] <cdavis> xpoint, I am not supposed to use transport_maps or it isn't causing my problems?
[03:02:38] <adaptr> cdavis: if mailman runs on its own domain, it's quite easy to configure
[03:03:23] <cdavis> I am trying to get it running in lists.domain.com and not just domain.com as suggested
[03:07:03] <xpoint> cdavis, http://gate.junc.org/mm/mm_cfg.py http://lists.junc.info/mailman/listinfo
[03:07:29] <xpoint> cd that links
[03:07:38] <xpoint> cdavis, you :)
[03:08:32] <xpoint> i olso maked lists.junc.info a virtual in apache
[03:09:05] <xpoint> so subdirs is just on that domain on web
[03:10:10] <xpoint> see my mm_cfg.py for how to make mailman run on one virtual domain, i have not tested with more since i dont need it :)
[03:18:47] <cdavis> I think I have it, my transport_maps mysql table or lookup is broken somehow
[03:19:05] <cdavis> Anyway, how do I delete the mailman list now :) I didjn't realize what I was creating
[03:19:14] <cdavis> or at least change its password
[03:19:18] <xpoint> mailman does not use / need transport maps
[03:19:47] <xpoint> cdavis, see my mm_cfg.py
[03:20:13] <xpoint> was that hint enough ? :)
[03:21:23] <cdavis> I guess so :)
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[03:26:51] <xpoint> cdavis, default users cant delete there own maillists, but i have set it up so maillist owner can do it
[03:28:09] <xpoint> my mailman makes one alias table, and one domain table, i just dont use the domain table, have lists.junc.org in postfix main.cf in the mydestination thats all
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[04:35:19] <jair> I ended installing popa3d and the email client works and accept my password
[04:36:17] <jair> very simple did not need to do any configuration or anything.  The only thing now is that the mails are arriving to the "Maildir" on the home directories and the email client does not retrieve them? :(
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[04:52:55] <r2s> can you help me with this:
[04:52:56] <r2s> http://pastebin.centos.org/22477
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[04:53:12] <r2s> I cannot login to smtp server using username from mysql
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[04:54:19] <jair> hmm I really don't have idea, I am trying to get a simple email server setup and I am having all sort of issues
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[05:07:02] <eydaimon> anyone use an email verification system? if so, what?
[05:10:09] <Motoko-chan> What kind of system?
[05:10:21] <eydaimon> freebsd
[05:10:31] <eydaimon> does postfix run on non unix?
[05:12:05] <Motoko-chan> As in verification system.
[05:12:11] <rob0> I think the question is, "What kind of 'email verification system'?"
[05:12:17] <Motoko-chan> What kind of thing are you talking about?
[05:12:22] <Motoko-chan> Thanks rob0
[05:12:30] <Dominian> heh
[05:12:35] <rob0> that's MY question anyway
[05:13:37] <cite> Good morning.
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[05:18:44] <cite> Why on earth does it take more than 2 seconds to deliver mails to the U.S. of A. this morning? Ah, I see, Level 3's routing is b0rken again.
[05:23:10] <Dominian> hrm
[05:23:31] <Dominian> 2 seconds bothers you?
[05:23:52] <jair> hey guys, how can I tell the evolution email client that my messages are arriving to a "/home/user/Maildir" instead of "/var/mail/user/"?
[05:24:06] <jair> this is a configuration on postfix?
[05:24:13] <jair> postconf ....
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[05:24:57] <jair> postconf mail_spool_directory ---> gives me "/var/mail/"
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[05:26:10] <jair> where do i change this on the main.cf or in the master?
[05:26:28] <cite> Dominian: Not "per se". But I got about 6k messages in the active queue and a quick glance shows me most of them are targetted at transatlantic destinations. With an average transfer rate of 4 kB/s (at least via Level 3/Cogent/Sprint), it will take all day to drain this queue ;-)
[05:27:19] <cite> Ah well, no worries, they will fix whatever the network issue is. None of my business. Got to get coffe.
[05:27:29] <jair> am I black listed on this channel? or ignored? just checking if everybody can read my messages?
[05:27:52] <Dominian> cite: You do realize that sprint cut off cogent right?
[05:27:54] <cite> jair: Evolution and Postfix share no common configurations.
[05:28:04] <jair> thank you :)
[05:28:37] <cite> Dominian: No, I don't, and I couldn't care less. Buying connectivity from our ISP - it's his problem to ensure I can reach target destinations, not mine.
[05:28:49] <jair> cite: so right now my email server (postfix) is configured as mbox right?
[05:29:03] <cite> jair: How am I supposed to know that?!?
[05:29:17] <jair> postconf mail_spool_directory ---> gives me "/var/mail/"
[05:29:23] <Dominian> cite: er.. that's fine.. Just thought you should know that cogent was cut off by sprint due to some sort of litigation
[05:29:25] <cite> Dominian: Opened a trouble ticket with them.
[05:29:42] <jair> cite: right?
[05:29:42] <Dominian> So I doubt your ISP is going to be able to do jack about it.
[05:29:53] <cite> Dominian: Me too ;-)
[05:30:25] <jair> cite: but then if I run the commands to make postfix to use maildir, how the email clients will know to find the emails on the maildir instead of "/var/mail/"?
[05:30:38] <Dominian> they don't
[05:30:43] <cite> Luckily for me, the Postfix active queue will scale up to much larger numbers than 6k.
[05:30:55] <Dominian> They mail clients have no knowledge of the storage on the server or how it sconfigured.
[05:30:55] <jair> cite: do I need to run this command and change postfix ---> postconf something "maildir"
[05:30:59] <Dominian> cite: aye
[05:31:04] <Dominian> !basic
[05:31:05] <knoba> Dominian: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[05:31:06] <jair> I see
[05:31:10] <cite> jair: THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER!
[05:31:14] <jair> ok
[05:31:18] <jair> I heard you
[05:31:24] <cite> jair: This is purely a configuration issue with your mail client.
[05:31:45] <jair> hmm
[05:32:26] <jair> the reason why I am confuse, is because if I leave evrything the way it is now without maildir, I can retrieve and send emails using the email client.
[05:32:39] <jair> if I change it, I can send emails but i do not get the new emails
[05:32:57] <jair> and if i go and check on the server and the user maildir the message is there as "new"
[05:33:16] <jair> but the client evolution in this case does not retrieve them
[05:33:24] <cite> Then you didn't configure the maildir location properly in Evolution.
[05:33:39] <jair> uhhhhggg!
[05:33:49] <cite> BTW, I seem to remember there was a movie named "Evolution", fearturing David Duchovny?
[05:33:58] <jair> hahaha
[05:34:05] <jair> yes very weird
[05:34:05] <cite> featureing
[05:34:08] <cite> featuring
[05:34:10] <cite> Whatever
[05:34:10] <jair> cage
[05:34:21] <jair> nicolas cage
[05:34:29] <jair> right
[05:34:32] <jair> anyway
[05:35:09] <jair> so you are telling me that I need to tell evolution, outlook, or mut or tb that they need to get the messages in a maildir of "jair" example as user?
[05:35:34] <cite> Dominian: Perhaps it isn't a real technical problem. Perhaps some sort of killer shark has bitten one or more ot the transatlantic cables.
[05:35:52] <cite> jair: If they are accessing the maildir locally and not using some sort of IMAP or PP3 server: Yes.
[05:36:21] <jair> cite: I have postfix installed, and popa3d I am not using Imap
[05:36:38] <jair> i don't recall doing that though
[05:36:41] <jair> hmmm
[05:36:41] <cite> jair: Then you have to tell popa3d (whatever that is) where the new Maildir location is.
[05:37:00] <jair> hmm I will have to find out that :P
[05:37:09] <cite> Good luck!
[05:37:49] <cite> Anyways, gotta go to work. bbl.
[05:38:33] <jair> ok
[05:38:37] <jair> cite: Thank you
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[05:45:51] <r2s> warning: unsupported SASL server implementation: cyrus
[05:45:58] <r2s> how can I fix this?
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[05:51:04] <r2s> http://pastie.org/306230
[05:51:07] <r2s> help please
[05:51:13] <r2s> cannot login in smtp
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[05:56:32] <wei> r2s: >> warning: unsupported SASL server implementation: cyrus
[05:56:32] <wei> same happen to me was.. fortunately i found the cyrus-sasl rpm from distro
[05:57:17] <r2s> hmm
[05:57:47] <r2s> but it was instaled
[05:57:58] <wei> i think install from source with many config being set wont do.. still warned: unsupported sasl server implementation
[05:58:46] <r2s> http://pastie.org/306230 here's the log
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[05:59:49] <wei> r2s: excuse, i have to go..
[06:00:09] <r2s> ok
[06:01:00] <r2s> http://pastie.org/306230  can you help me with this?
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[06:12:11] <jair> r2s: what OS are you running and what are you trying to accomplish?
[06:12:35] <jair> I do not have to much experience but I may or may not be too helpful :)
[06:14:05] <r2s> centos
[06:14:08] <r2s> centos 5.2
[06:14:23] <jair> hmm
[06:14:24] <jair> ok
[06:14:34] <jair> and you installed postfix, what else?
[06:14:41] <r2s> when doing testsaslauthd -u username -p password with normal user it works
[06:14:46] <jair> just a simple email server stand alone for one domain?
[06:14:56] <r2s> but when from mysql users... not
[06:15:01] <r2s> yes
[06:15:02] <jair> mysql
[06:15:04] <jair> I see
[06:15:19] <jair> are you using virtual maildir?
[06:15:22] <r2s> yeah.. I intend to use mysql database for domains and users
[06:15:31] <jair> I see
[06:15:37] <r2s> want to see my main.cf ??
[06:15:42] <r2s> of postfix?
[06:15:56] <jair> this is a little bit more than what I have been working with.
[06:16:01] <jair> but yes go ahead
[06:16:05] <r2s> ok wait
[06:16:08] <jair> send me the main.cf
[06:16:13] <jair> just to see
[06:16:15] <r2s> ok
[06:18:03] <r2s> http://pastie.org/306238
[06:18:06] <r2s> here it is
[06:18:10] <r2s> the main.cf
[06:18:19] <jair> ok
[06:18:22] <jair> let me check
[06:19:17] <r2s> ok
[06:19:31] <r2s> in pop3 it works... even in roundcube mail
[06:22:31] <r2s> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-postfix-dovecot-mysql-centos4.5 here's my pattern
[06:23:31] <jair> I see
[06:25:23] <r2s> or here to be exact.. coz I'm using centos 5.2
[06:25:25] <r2s> http://www.howtoforge.net/isp-mailserver-with-virtual-users-domains-postfix-dovecot-mysql-centos5.0
[06:26:05] <jair> r2s: I will honestly go step by step on the manual, and also send an email to falko... :( I use debian, and that looks pretty complicated when you start using mysql etc...
[06:27:15] <jair> I think must of the poeple here is zzzzzz I have to go too.  So go through the installation again and I recommend if you have a virtual machine will be better so you can revert to snapshots
[06:27:22] <jair> I wish you the best
[06:27:24] <jair> good night
[06:27:31] <r2s> ok
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[06:30:39] <dan__t> Hello.
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[06:35:13] <dan__t> Just have a couple general questions regarding backup MX.  How does an SMTP server know that it is secondary for a domain?  Does it look at DNS and discovers this?  When Postfix acts as a secondary MX, which queue does it store that mail in?
[06:36:10] <dan__t> Is it more of a transport option for the secondary to then relay to the primary, or is that just plain "how backup SMTP works"?
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[06:46:48] <overrider> hello, all my mail accounts are held in a mysql table. the mails get delivered into maildir folders. what id like to setup is that when someone mails to support at mydomain dot com , the mail gets fed into a program on the mailserver, rather than attempt to deliver it. i could do this easy by setting an entry like this into my alias file -> support: "| path/to/program" , but since my users are in mysql, this doesnt work. is there another way i can have m
[06:46:48] <overrider> ail to a certain email address piped to a command?
[06:47:39] <overrider> maybe a pipe in postfix/master.cf ?
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[07:09:19] <overrider> ok, in my mysql alias table i manually added support at mydomain dot com to be forwarded to support@localhost. this seems to work
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[08:27:33] <r2s> auxpropfunc error no mechanism available
[08:27:34] <r2s> help
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[08:36:06] <deface> normal error
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[09:16:57] <r2s> I think my postfix with dovecot / mysql is a mess... how can I start from the scratch?
[09:17:12] <Entroacceptor> delete everything and reinstall?
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[09:17:35] <r2s> Entroacceptor: DHCP / DNS is working well..
[09:17:53] <r2s> is there a way I just start from scratch with postfix?
[09:18:22] <Entroacceptor> delete the config and start again?
[09:18:33] <r2s> yes
[09:18:48] <r2s> I just need to run postfix with dovecot in mysql
[09:19:00] <r2s> using mysql database for username/domains
[09:19:05] <Entroacceptor> or let your package manger reinstall the example config
[09:19:41] <wei> r2s: once, i have problem install from a scratch, for example.. /etc/init.d/postfix file wont appear using source install, but wish you diff luck than i
[09:20:54] <r2s> wei: if you have time can you guide me?
[09:21:22] <wei> no problem at all to share )
[09:22:29] <r2s> thanks
[09:22:51] <r2s> its postfix+dovecot+mysql in virtualdomain/virtual_users
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[09:23:46] <wei> r2s: currently, my position are: cyrus sasl rpm + postfix rpm + mysql server rpm + (openssl+ barkeleydb + courier authlib+ courier imap, from source install)
[09:23:46] <wei> even now i havent try more details are everythings work well
[09:24:18] <r2s> hmm ok
[09:24:38] <r2s> http://jangestre.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/mail-server-with-virtual-users-using-postfix-postfix-admin-dovecot-mysql-centos-45-with-roundcubemail/
[09:24:42] <r2s> found this
[09:24:53] <wei> r2s: ok
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[09:57:17] <strummula> hello
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[09:57:33] <strummula> i read in my mail.log a lot of: postfix/qmgr[19055]: warning: connect to transport lmtp-amavis: No such file or directory
[09:58:04] <strummula> i've already removed any reference to amavis in /etc/postfix/* and also rehashed every .db
[09:58:10] <strummula> what's going on?
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[10:15:01] <Roobarb> strummula: are you running chrooted?
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[10:38:34] <JC_> hi all
[10:39:07] <JC_> how in postfix can i create a rule on the server to forward outgoing mail of one user to another
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[10:44:05] <DarkMac> hey there...
[10:44:19] <DarkMac> got a problem when trying to setup a mail server
[10:44:44] <DarkMac> when i send a mail from yahoo to my server it gives the following
[10:44:45] <DarkMac> 554 5.7.1 <office at xxx dot x>: Relay access denied; from=<abcd at yahoo dot com> to=<office at xxx dot x>
[10:45:13] <DarkMac> where xxx.x is the domain i`m trying to setup mailserver for
[10:45:23] <DarkMac> any ideea please... ?
[10:46:45] <JC_> mmm...
[10:47:03] <JC_> is postfix configured to accept mail for your domain
[10:47:53] <DarkMac> you mean ... $mydomain = xxx.x
[10:47:54] <DarkMac> ?
[10:48:01] <JC_> yes
[10:48:25] <JC_> can you postconf -m
[10:48:32] <JC_> your config here
[10:49:57] <JC_> is your mydestination something like this
[10:49:58] <JC_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
[10:51:12] <DarkMac> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
[10:51:52] <JC_> post your config i you want to
[10:53:15] <JC_> ?
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[10:56:36] <DarkMac> one moment please...and i will paste it here
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[11:01:54] <DarkMac> how can i cat /etc/postfix/main.cf |grep .....something to show only lines without #
[11:01:55] <DarkMac> :)
[11:03:31] <DarkMac> aha -v
[11:05:56] <DarkMac> JC_:
[11:06:22] <DarkMac> should i post main.cf here?
[11:06:55] <JC_> ja
[11:07:01] <JC_> yes
[11:08:19] <JC_> go postconf -m
[11:08:34] <JC_> this will show your current postfix config
[11:08:55] <DarkMac> btree
[11:08:59] <DarkMac> cidr
[11:09:03] <DarkMac> environ
[11:09:07] <DarkMac> hash
[11:09:19] <DarkMac> ldap
[11:09:23] <DarkMac> nis
[11:09:26] <JC_> sorry
[11:09:27] <DarkMac> pcre
[11:09:31] <DarkMac> proxy
[11:09:33] <JC_> just postconf
[11:09:35] <DarkMac> regexp
[11:09:39] <DarkMac> sdbm
[11:09:40] <DarkMac> static
[11:09:40] <DarkMac> tcp
[11:09:40] <DarkMac> unix
[11:09:40] <DarkMac> and main.cf
[11:09:40] <DarkMac> http://pastebin.be/14687
[11:09:43] <JC_> without the -m
[11:10:38] <DarkMac> i will paste it to pastebin cause it is a lot if i just postconf
[11:10:47] <JC_> ok
[11:11:20] <JC_> so i taking that the account office at mydomain dot com is working?
[11:11:28] <JC_> can you send?
[11:13:47] <JC_> what distro are you running?
[11:14:22] <DarkMac> opensuse 11
[11:14:28] <JC_> o
[11:14:51] <DarkMac> i`m sure i miss some variable
[11:14:51] <JC_> ok not to sure where suse stores it maillog file
[11:15:30] <DarkMac> var/log/mail
[11:15:40] <JC_> ok wait my do you have relay domains =$mydestinations
[11:16:01] <JC_> take that out
[11:16:04] <strummula> cat file | grep -v ^# | grep -v ^$
[11:16:36] <strummula> so you can grep -v lines starting with # and lines starting and ending (empty lines)
[11:16:38] <DarkMac> relay_domains = $mydestination
[11:16:40] <DarkMac> yep
[11:16:57] <JC_> did i work now?
[11:16:57] <DarkMac> so i have to take out relay_domains = $mydestination
[11:16:58] <DarkMac> ?
[11:17:01] <JC_> ja
[11:17:03] <JC_> yes
[11:17:09] <JC_> uncomment it
[11:17:17] <JC_> sorry comment it
[11:17:27] <JC_> that doesnt look right
[11:17:46] <JC_> are you using system users right?
[11:17:57] <DarkMac> yes
[11:18:01] <JC_> yes
[11:18:06] <JC_> take that out
[11:18:36] <DarkMac> done that...still the same problem
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[11:19:22] <DarkMac> i really dont understand why i get a relay access denied error when i RECEIVE mails
[11:19:40] <JC_> tail -f /var/log/maillog
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[11:21:07] <DarkMac>  NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown 554 5.7.1Relay access denied; from=...
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[11:25:58] <JC_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain thats not correct
[11:26:19] <JC_> it must have $mydomain parameter aswell
[11:26:37] <JC_> you have localhost.mydomain
[11:26:56] <JC_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
[11:26:59] <JC_> make it so
[11:27:47] <DarkMac> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
[11:28:21] <DarkMac> still the same problem
[11:29:06] <JC_> change mynetwork style to host
[11:29:34] <JC_> also just for know comment so smtp restriction just to troubleshoot
[11:30:06] <JC_> anoterthing i saw at your smtp restrictions have have smtpd_helo_required=no
[11:30:14] <JC_> thats not good security
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[11:32:38] <DarkMac> it should be smtpd_helo_required=yes?
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[11:43:12] <DarkMac> still no luck :(
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[11:54:33] <f3ew> DarkMac, have you pasted postconf -n and the relevant log line somewhere?
[11:58:30] <DarkMac> f3ew:
[11:58:30] <DarkMac> yes
[11:58:38] <DarkMac> one moment please
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[12:00:09] <DarkMac> f3ew:
[12:00:10] <DarkMac> http://pastebin.be/14688
[12:00:51] <f3ew> and the log?
[12:00:55] <f3ew> !debug
[12:00:56] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[12:06:17] <darkmac_> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from extracting-traffic.volia.net[77.122.119.21]: 554 5.7.1 <comunicare at apmhunedoara dot ro>: Relay access denied;
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[12:06:24] <darkmac_> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from [a.b.c.d]: 554 5.7.1 <office at xxx dot x>: Relay access denied;
[12:06:27] <darkmac_> mydomain = xxx.x
[12:07:21] <darkmac_> f3ew: any ideea?
[12:08:32] <f3ew> so is apmhunedoara.ro listed anywhere in that config?
[12:09:25] <darkmac_> yes... mydomain = xxx.x
[12:09:30] <darkmac_> ignore apmhunedoara....
[12:09:36] <f3ew> Uh?
[12:10:03] <darkmac_> i didnt want to paste the real host here
[12:10:08] <darkmac_> it was a mistake :)
[12:10:09] <f3ew> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain <=== add $mydomain to this line, and run postfix reload
[12:10:27] <f3ew> darkmac_, obfuscating stuff makes it more difficult for me to help you
[12:11:04] <darkmac_> ok.... here is my conf: mydomain = apmhd.ro
[12:11:13] <darkmac_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain
[12:11:52] <darkmac_> and i aslo added mydomain = apmhunedoara.ro
[12:12:08] <darkmac_> because this server gets mails for this two domains
[12:12:27] <f3ew> darkmac_ mydomain only takes one value
[12:12:33] <f3ew> Comment out mydomain
[12:12:39] <f3ew> It will take a defaultvalue
[12:13:13] <f3ew> set mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, apmhd.ro
[12:13:35] <f3ew> (or apmhunedoara.ro if myhostname is mail.apmhd.ro)
[12:16:12] <darkmac_> ok...my conf is now:
[12:16:21] <darkmac_> myhostname = mail.apmhd.ro
[12:16:33] <darkmac_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, apmhd.ro
[12:16:39] <darkmac_> same error
[12:16:47] <f3ew> set mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, apmhunedoara.ro <====
[12:17:05] <darkmac_> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from : 554 5.7.1 <office1 at apmhd dot ro>: Relay access denied;
[12:18:18] <f3ew> FROM OR TO?
[12:18:32] <f3ew> From checks for source IP
[12:18:43] <f3ew> To checks for the destination domain
[12:18:52] <f3ew> Please show full, unobfuscated logs
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[12:19:26] <darkmac_> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 206.190.39.77: 554 5.7.1 <office1 at apmhd dot ro>: Relay access denied;
[12:19:44] <darkmac_> i am sending from yahoo to office1 at apmhd dot ro
[12:20:33] <f3ew> did you run postfix reload?
[12:22:34] <darkmac_> yes
[12:22:39] <darkmac_> offcourse
[12:23:07] <f3ew> what does postconmf mydestination say?
[12:23:38] <darkmac_> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost, $mydomain, apmhd.ro
[12:25:42] <darkmac_> oohhhh.... sorry ... i see now that (dont know why) i have two mydestination
[12:26:08] * f3ew grins
[12:26:14] <f3ew> postconf is your friend:)
[12:26:20] <darkmac_> ggrrrrr that was the problem....
[12:26:35] <darkmac_> :)
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[12:29:25] <darkmac_> 10x a lot f3ew
[12:36:49] <darkmac_> f3ew: and if i want to use multiple domains
[12:36:57] <f3ew> !virtual
[12:36:58] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[12:37:13] <f3ew> If users in both domains are the same, add them to mydestination
[12:37:23] <f3ew> If they are different, use virtul
[12:37:25] <f3ew> virtual
[12:38:03] <darkmac_> no... they are the same
[12:38:22] <darkmac_> previous it was apmhunedoara.... and now it is apmhd
[12:38:37] <darkmac_> and if anybody still sends to apmhunedoara ..........
[12:38:43] <darkmac_> you know what i mean...
[12:38:56] <darkmac_> same users but different domains
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[12:39:21] <f3ew> then leave both domains in mydestination
[12:39:22] <darkmac_> so ...it is enough if i just add apmhunedoara to mydestination
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[12:39:29] <darkmac_> 10x again f3ew
[12:39:31] <f3ew> yes
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[12:42:17] <adrien> Hi all
[12:42:59] <f3ew> lo
[12:43:45] <adrien> I would like to configure postfix to act as a MX Backup (found how-to on that) and be used with a catch-all mailbox in the same time. Like that user that have their primary server down can retreive their mail using roundcube before mail are sent back to primary MX.
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[12:44:24] <adrien> someone know if there's a rule to do both routing (bounce mail to primary and to catch all)?
[12:47:11] <f3ew> adrien, you can't really do that
[12:47:27] <adrien> f3ew: some kind of workaround ?
[12:47:31] <f3ew> What you can do is share the mail spool over NFS and leave both Postfixes up
[12:47:39] <adrien> f3ew: ouch :)
[12:47:50] <f3ew> both will be identical
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[12:48:25] <adrien> f3ew: we cannot have a rule that tell that the mail is bounce to two mailer ?
[12:49:22] <adrien> f3ew: like one copy bounce to primary MX and other one to a catch all
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[13:07:33] <f3ew> adrien, you do not want to go down that path
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[13:51:49] <adrien> f3ew: you may be right :)
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[13:57:31] <mrtechguy> hello all
[13:58:31] <mrtechguy> I am having a slight problem where Postfix will not create any maildirs (gives a permissions denied error) I have even tried logging in with the postfix user and creating the dirs, and this works fine, but postfix itself will not create the directories
[13:59:43] <thumbs> who's all?
[14:00:54] <mrtechguy> everyone
[14:01:00] <mrtechguy> would you prefer hello *
[14:01:07] <thumbs> everyone is fine
[14:01:12] <mrtechguy> lol, ok
[14:01:17] <thumbs> all sounds like a bad local expression
[14:01:27] <mrtechguy> fair enough
[14:02:08] <mrtechguy> I like to greet people before I ask them insanely bad asked questions with either very simple or very hard responses
[14:02:16] <mrtechguy> :)
[14:04:02] <mrtechguy> so thumbs, any inspirational ideas on how to fix this supposed permissions problem, I might also add that if I make the permissions on the directory 777 then it will work, but 770 doesn't (the owner being the postfix user and the group being the postdrop group, which postfix runs within...)
[14:04:38] <Entroacceptor> mrtechguy: for me, the mails get delivered as the local user
[14:05:15] <mrtechguy> hmm, ok, mine is delivered into mail directories to be picked up by dovecot
[14:05:30] <Entroacceptor> ah, virtual?
[14:06:11] <mrtechguy> yup, sure is
[14:06:38] <mrtechguy> I battled through MySQL, figured out many reasons why you don't do this stuff when you are tired
[14:07:08] <mrtechguy> missed lines, etc.
[14:07:24] <mrtechguy> but that aside, the permissions of the mail dirs makes no sense to me
[14:07:41] <mrtechguy> unless postfix is using another user to create them outside of the postfix user...
[14:07:48] <mrtechguy> but that is surely a bit farfetched
[14:07:50] <Entroacceptor> for me, it does
[14:08:21] <Entroacceptor> postfix is running as "postfix"
[14:08:22] <mrtechguy> would to be able to enlighten me then please?
[14:08:27] <Entroacceptor> but the mails belong to vmail
[14:08:29] <mrtechguy> yes, it is
[14:08:36] <Entroacceptor> (for me)
[14:08:37] <mrtechguy> do they?
[14:08:54] <Entroacceptor> I'm looking at the conf trying to find out where I entered that
[14:09:28] <Entroacceptor> look into master.cf
[14:09:42] <Entroacceptor> and search for maildrop (that's it for me)
[14:09:52] <Entroacceptor> maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/bin/maildrop -d ${recipient}
[14:09:57] <Entroacceptor> is what I got
[14:11:15] <mrtechguy> hmm, was commented out for me :S
[14:14:26] <mrtechguy> didn't make any difference though
[14:16:13] <f3ew> mrtechguy Postfix delivers as the uid/gid specified in virtual_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps
[14:16:48] <mrtechguy> hmm, ok, that would explain it
[14:16:49] <mrtechguy> thanks
[14:16:59] <mrtechguy> was just looking at that
[14:17:25] * f3ew notes that using a dedicated uid for this is good
[14:17:38] <mrtechguy> mmmk
[14:17:40] <mrtechguy> cheers
[14:17:49] <f3ew> share that uid/gid between Dovecot and Postfix, but don't use the uid/gid for either of those
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[14:18:46] <Entroacceptor> mmh, and why can't I find that in my config?
[14:18:57] <Entroacceptor> I once thought I understood mail servers...
[14:19:08] <mrtechguy> it is only there if you put it there
[14:19:13] <mrtechguy> like I did
[14:20:16] <mrtechguy> one final question, as I have never done this before.... Dovecot SASL, I compiled support for it, so now how do I actually use it
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[14:21:16] <f3ew> !sasl
[14:21:17] <knoba> f3ew: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[14:22:49] <Entroacceptor> !dovecot
[14:22:50] <knoba> Entroacceptor: "dovecot" : http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; recent versions can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix 2.3+.
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[14:26:29] <mrtechguy> cool, thanks guys
[14:26:40] <Entroacceptor> mmh
[14:26:42] <Entroacceptor> !courier
[14:26:43] <knoba> Entroacceptor: "courier" : an alternative MTA to Postfix. Parts of it (maildrop, IMAP server and POP3 server) are often used by Postfix users as well. See: www.courier-mta.org or #courier
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[14:27:38] <Entroacceptor> is it still consensus here that dovecot is better than courier (as imapd)?
[14:28:28] <f3ew> Entroacceptor, from what I have heard, Dovecot doesn't do well with > a few thousand users
[14:28:40] <f3ew> but if you are a small server admin, then Dovecot is good
[14:29:30] <finfin82> hi guys i patched postfix to work with quota, now postfix runs successfully using vmail virtual mailuser in mysql-DB.... now im wondering why its ignoring my quota configuration ;-)
[14:31:33] <Entroacceptor> thank you, f3ew.
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[14:34:46] <finfin82> im using dovecot as imap/pop3 server.... where can I search for the problem? in postfix or dovecot?
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[15:03:54] <simoo> Hi, can postfix authenticate using kerberos
[15:05:53] <f3ew> simoo Postfix delegates authentication to the SASL library
[15:06:04] <f3ew> Cyrus SASL does support a Kerberos backend, so yes
[15:06:22] <finfin82> any ideas to my problem? f3ew ;-)
[15:06:28] <simoo> great, thanks
[15:07:29] <finfin82> as I said, everything works fine... virtual mailuser dovecot and postfix running pretty good, but the quota-option doesn't seem to take effect
[15:07:48] <f3ew> finfin82, dunno, I don't use a third party patch
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[15:08:02] <f3ew> BTW, if you use Dovecot's deliver, that has support for quotas
[15:09:09] <cdavis> finfin82, I have the same problem with my ubuntu installation, you need to install a patched postfix
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[15:09:27] <pippijn> hi all
[15:09:37] <finfin82> cdavis: I patched the postfix
[15:09:49] <finfin82> and installed the patched version
[15:10:05] <finfin82> did you solved the problem? cdavis
[15:10:06] <cdavis> crap, makes me not want to bother then if it doesn't work anyway
[15:10:27] <pippijn> gmx.com is sending me Sorry, your helo has been
[15:10:27] <pippijn> denied. 550 5.7.1 ( http://portal.gmx.net/serverrules ) (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[15:10:32] <finfin82> I guess its an configuration problem ;-)
[15:10:45] <pippijn> where should I start looking?
[15:10:51] <pippijn> with exim4, everything works
[15:16:52] <riz_> xpoint I haven't solved the problem of spam with "Re: " in subject.
[15:17:26] <riz_> xpoint could you please give me a suggest when you are there?
[15:17:57] <xpoint> riz_, when i see the problem
[15:20:24] <riz_> xpoint yes, the problem is the same of past yesterday: I've received some spam e-mail from yahoo.com with Re: or Fw: in the subject. You suggest me to enable spamassassin dkim plugin and spf. I've enable it but the problem there is again.
[15:20:32] <pippijn> has anyone ever seen a message like this on postfix before?
[15:21:14] <pippijn> I am on debian etch, by the way
[15:22:10] <xpoint> riz_, yes 1: did spammassassin say ham or spam ?
[15:22:59] <xpoint> riz_, if 2: did you whitelist sender user at yahoo dot com ?
[15:23:53] <riz_> xpoint just one second please. I sent a mail tu abuse at yahoo dot com
[15:24:55] <f3ew> Are yu sure it was from Yahoo!
[15:24:57] <xpoint> riz_, newer whitelist untrusted senders
[15:29:01] <finfin82> while dpkg-buildpackage I got massive dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: debian/postfix/usr/sbin/postfix shouldn't be linked with libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (it uses none of its symbols). warnings
[15:29:01] <finfin82> maybe this is what cause my problem with quota?
[15:29:25] <xpoint> f3ew, in that case riz_ is a spammer (sort of) yahoo uses domain-key and other headers when its sent from yahoo, i see alot of spam i have a new email at foo at gmail dot com when from: says yahoo
[15:29:33] <riz_> xpoint I'm back. SA tell X-Spam-Flag: NO - X-Spam-Score: 3.6 X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.6 tagged_above=undef required=6.31
[15:29:34] <riz_> tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643,
[15:29:51] <riz_> sorry
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[15:30:44] <riz_> xpoint: http://pastebin.com/m3a99aa9b
[15:30:49] <xpoint> riz_, no dkim, not yahoo
[15:32:49] <xpoint> riz_, train bayes
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[15:33:24] <xpoint> set required to 5
[15:33:37] <riz_> xpoint try to enable bayes ?
[15:33:55] <xpoint> riz_, it is enabled
[15:34:14] <xpoint> riz_, just need training
[15:35:25] <xpoint> put all spam mails in a folder, sa-learn --spam --showdots *
[15:35:56] <xpoint> olso do this with ham
[15:36:27] <xpoint> basicly its your corpus
[15:37:19] <riz_> xpoint ok
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[15:40:31] <riz_> xpoint now I have only one mail, but the command works fine: Learned tokens from 1 message(s) (1 message(s) examined)
[15:40:51] <xpoint> riz_, sa-learn --dump magic
[15:42:48] <xpoint> nham and nspam should follow each other, so when you learn 500 spam mails olso learn 500 ham mails
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[15:48:48] <riz_> xpoint ok, this is the output: http://pastebin.com/m3e3ac2c
[15:49:47] <xpoint> 2 spam mails in bayes
[15:50:17] <xpoint> somthing is wroung
[15:51:18] <xpoint> bayes needs 200 ham, 200 spam, before it will be shown in x-spam-status
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[15:54:03] <xpoint> amavisd uses vscan or amavis user on bayes train
[15:54:26] <xpoint> but you trained another user
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[16:03:32] <riz_> xpoint I need to check better my config of SA
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[16:39:32] <grkblood13> hey, if sendmail is a dependency of postfix how come postfix doesnt complain during install if the sendmail rpm isnt installed?
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[16:39:56] <suprsonic> someone recommend a filter to append a legal disclaimer on outbound messages?
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[16:43:33] <grkblood13> is there a way to run postfix without having the sendmail rpm installed
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[16:43:41] <rob0> The only reason why Postfix would want Sendmail is for libmilter. If you're not using milters in Postfix, you don't need that. But your question is about how your distributor set up the RPM dependencies ... ask the distributor.
[16:45:41] <grkblood13> im not sure what libmilter is, but i finally found out that the sendmail rpm is required in order for postfix to send mail. even though the only dependency that it complained about not having was cyrus
[16:46:21] <grkblood13> ill take it to the RHEL room though if that what i should do
[16:46:32] <rob0> I run Postfix without Sendmail, on non-RPM systems.
[16:48:02] <seekwill> What's wrong with having the sendmail rpm installed?
[16:48:03] <grkblood13> thing is , postfix does require that snedmail is running. it just requires the rpm to be installed
[16:48:25] <grkblood13> i dont want someone to be able to potentially turn sendmail on
[16:48:39] <grkblood13> the whole point of postfix was to avoid anythign dealing with sendmail
[16:48:49] <riz_> xpoint sorry, I do sa-learn --dump magic from root. The right user in my config is amavis, so the output is now: http://pastebin.com/m5bc727c1 Sorry for my mistake.
[16:49:19] <grkblood13> doesnt require that sendmail is running*
[16:57:50] <rob0> If someone who doesn't understand how to manage the system has root access, problems can occur.
[16:58:06] <seekwill> rob0: :)
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[17:09:34] <nuloop> hello. say i *have* to use maildrop to deliver a lot of mail, and i *didn't* have a write cache on the partition where the postfix queues are located, what's the options to makes postdrop run faster ? stracing it reveals a fsync at each run and that kills the performances...
[17:09:47] <nuloop> s/maildrop/postdrop/
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[17:10:24] <nuloop> looking at the postfix source, it seems the use of fsync is only conditionned by a compile time #define, someone can confirm that ?
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[17:11:00] <seekwill> Why can't you get faster disks?
[17:11:14] <seekwill> and/or the write cache
[17:11:54] <nuloop> the problem is not with the storage but with the raid controller. buying a battery and enabling write cache is an option but i must be sure there is no cheaper options.
[17:12:18] <nuloop> this is a dl320 (rack), with buildin raid (e200i)
[17:12:27] <Roobarb> nuloop: its more an issue with not loosing data
[17:12:53] <nuloop> you mean and using something like tmpfs for the queues ?
[17:13:45] <Roobarb> if you want to loose your queue data when the power fails, sure
[17:13:50] <nuloop> i can manage doing an fsync manually at some checkpoint during the run (say each 1K mails), but not at each mail. that will be possible if I can disable the "automatic" fsync ...
[17:16:42] <nuloop> i just want to be sure thereis no way to disable the internal fsync in maildrop ... someone can confirm ? thanks
[17:16:54] <nuloop> ^W postdrop ...
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[17:19:34] <seekwill> That sort of goes against RFC...
[17:20:06] <seekwill> Since there's a chance you can lose a message.
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[17:22:59] <eydaimon> anyone use an email verification system? if so, what?
[17:23:37] <seekwill> What's an email verification system?
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[17:26:23] <dragonheart> eydaimon: i use the email verification system that if I get a bounce with a perminate error I assume the recipient cannot be emailed that way
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[17:29:26] <euphidime> I'm having a problem with postfix seemingly randomly changing the destination domain on an incoming e-mail to the local hostname, which results in it getting rejected (with relay access denied.) i.e., I sent an e-mail from virtuser at virtdomain dot com to dkim-test at testing dot dkim.org, and when dkim-test replies, postfix thinks it's being sent to virtuser@localhostname, and gets rejected, because I only have postfix configured to deliver to virtual domains
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[17:45:34] <xpoint> riz_, there you see its need more spam signatures
[17:46:07] <xpoint> riz_, are you sure that all nham is really ham msgs ?
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[17:53:22] <riz_> xpoint no, I'm not sure. This is my first time with sa-learn.
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[18:00:08] <rob0> If euphidime is asking for a guess, mine would be that there's something wrong in virtual_alias_maps. See /topic.
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[18:36:40] <euphidime> Here's the output of postconf -n: http://pastebin.com/d2463e931 I haven't been having this problem until recently, so if I had to guess it's somehow related to a recent postfix upgrade
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[19:47:03] <xpoint> euphidime, where is your wan ip in that paste ?
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[20:14:15] <euphidime> xpoint: It isn't, would you like it?
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[20:15:01] <xpoint> euphidime, is postfix running on lan ?
[20:15:59] <xpoint> euphidime, if so: proxy_interfaces=wan-ip
[20:16:13] <euphidime> xpoint: It's bound to all interfaces
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[20:16:47] <xpoint> add your paste just have lo ip
[20:16:55] <xpoint> and not add
[20:18:30] <euphidime> I'm not quite sure I follow
[20:18:44] <xpoint> ifconfig
[20:18:55] <euphidime> What about it?
[20:19:15] <xpoint> lan ip only shown there ?
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[20:19:45] <euphidime> Is there any particular reason main.cf should have my wan IP?
[20:19:55] <xpoint> yes
[20:20:09] <euphidime> The mail server is running on a leased dedicated server with one external interface
[20:20:25] <mofino> vlans++
[20:21:12] <xpoint> euphidime, i just need to know if its nat or not
[20:21:41] <euphidime> No, it's not
[20:22:05] <xpoint> so add wan-ip to mynetworks
[20:22:26] <xpoint> or remove the line
[20:23:25] <euphidime> Alright
[20:24:06] <xpoint> else postfix can make mx loop
[20:24:30] <xpoint> and in the end bounces
[20:26:11] <euphidime> Updated postconf -n: http://pastebin.com/d4dffda22
[20:27:21] <euphidime> Problem is still occuring
[20:28:08] <euphidime> Sending mail from ramsey at xsfn dot net (virtual domain), to autorespond+dkim-relaxed at dk dot elandsys.com, which is supposed to reply to the same address, but it's being addressed to ramsey at mercury dot xsfn.net
[20:31:04] <euphidime> (To rule out a problem on dk.elandsys.com's end, this also occurs semi-randomly to mail addressed to me from other people)
[20:31:52] <xpoint> euphidime, line 18 and 21 must run after content filters
[20:32:42] <xpoint> 21 can be triggered from outside
[20:33:19] <euphidime> The bcc_regexp is just something that bcc's all incoming and outgoing mail to an archive address
[20:33:36] <euphidime> And is only applied to a different virtual domain, not xsfn.net
[20:34:39] <rob0> Do either of these pastes include "relevant logs" as per /topic?
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[20:36:11] <rob0> Another useful bit would be postmap -q outputs of the rewritten address[es] from the virtual_alias_maps.
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[20:43:08] <euphidime> rob0: http://pastebin.com/d2602cc11 Only thing I can really find that seems to be "relevant," nothing else is generated in the log
[20:45:14] <xpoint> mercury.xsfn.net missing in mydestination
[20:46:02] <euphidime> Default mydestination is myhostname
[20:46:11] <xpoint> ramsey missing in local_recipient_maps
[20:46:37] <euphidime> That's not the problem--it's not supposed to be sent to ramsey at mercury dot xsfn.net, it's supposed to be sent to ramsey at xsfn dot net, which is a virtual domain
[20:47:01] <euphidime> The mail is being sent to ramsey at xsfn dot net on the remote end.
[20:47:20] <rob0> !unknown_local
[20:47:22] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).
[20:48:00] <xpoint> mercury.xsfn.net in virtual ?
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[20:48:16] <euphidime> No, mercury.xsfn.net is the hostname of the machine and uses local system accounts
[20:48:21] <rob0> mydestination is not set
[20:48:43] <euphidime> rob0: mydestination's default value is $myhostname
[20:49:42] <rob0> yes, I know
[20:51:08] <euphidime> ramsey@mercury:~$ sudo postconf | grep mydestination
[20:51:08] <euphidime> mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost
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[21:14:35] <deadpigeon> i enjoy marc perkel's idea on spam education. "this is africa, nobody here is going to give you 35 million dollars."
[21:15:52] <xpoint> well i know some that will :)
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[21:23:54] <tuxick> there is only 1 spam education: baseball bat
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[21:30:04] <tuxick> i will not assume position
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[21:37:41] <deftunix> hi all, for very large mail server system mx is better to delivery message to maildir
[21:37:53] <deftunix> or delivery to other postfix with delivery agent?
[21:38:55] <tuxick> what's 'very large' ?
[21:40:02] <tuxick> hmm must be large, he's still counting
[21:40:42] <seekwill> hehe
[21:41:11] <seekwill> deftunix: There are a lot of things to consider
[21:41:35] <seekwill> I like having an edge MTA and a dedicated mailstore
[21:41:45] <tuxick> well that makes sense
[21:42:06] <tuxick> but the edge will have to know the accounts, so that'd be ldap :)
[21:42:13] <seekwill> Yeah
[21:42:23] <eydaimon> Anyone know of an e-mail verification solution such as BoxTrapper (http://www.cpanel.net/support/docs/11/cpanel/mail_boxtrapper.html) for unix?
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[21:42:41] <seekwill> tuxick: I use a MySQL backend since my users are already in there
[21:42:46] <tuxick> oh well, same old
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[21:43:11] <deftunix_> ?
[21:43:20] <seekwill> eydaimon: I don't like that :.
[21:44:01] <eydaimon> seekwill: and why not?
[21:44:03] <seekwill> eydaimon: What if the from is forged. You become a backscatterer
[21:44:34] <eydaimon> seekwill: I want a local whitelist for my account only. what difference does it make if the from is forged?
[21:44:51] <seekwill> Because it sends an email to the From
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[21:45:06] <eydaimon> seekwill: it shouldn't blacklist anything ever, only whitelist successfully verified emails.
[21:45:17] <deftunix_> how can i modify the bounce message for overquota? and for many times the message is mantain in queue when the maildir is in overquota?
[21:45:18] <seekwill> That's not the point
[21:45:39] <eydaimon> seekwill: then I must be missing your point
[21:45:42] <tuxick> i ended up using dovecot deliver
[21:45:56] <tuxick> as LDA
[21:46:17] <tuxick> takes care of quota, sieve etc
[21:46:36] <seekwill> eydaimon: Say I'm a luser who wants to mess with someone. I send you an email claiming I'm that someone. Your server will send that verification email to that someone. Sounds harmless, but what if I had a botnet of 1000 servers like yours?
[21:47:07] <seekwill> eydaimon: That doesn't seem like it affects you, until you find out that there's some RBL that you're on...
[21:47:20] <tuxick> backscatter is evil
[21:47:50] <seekwill> eydaimon: Just say no
[21:48:00] <eydaimon> seekwill: I already have greylisting...
[21:48:11] <seekwill> I'd hate to email to your MX...
[21:48:18] <seekwill> That's not even the point...
[21:48:32] <rob0> Those who would consider using BoxTrapper are no better than spammers themselves.
[21:48:53] <rob0> It's the age-old idea of C/R ... thoroughly discredited.
[21:49:00] <eydaimon> you can make the same argument for any service requiring validation, ever
[21:49:08] <eydaimon> majordomo requiest validation = bad
[21:49:09] <seekwill> eydaimon: That's why we don't use it :)
[21:49:18] <eydaimon> etc etc
[21:49:45] <eydaimon> but I don't seen the problem? Are you worried about overloading the internet?
[21:50:03] <rob0> Read up on challenge/response and find out why it's so bad. Or if you still don't get it, you ARE that bad.
[21:50:33] <eydaimon> Hah, such twisted logic. If you don't understand the problem, you are the problem.
[21:50:42] <seekwill> lol
[21:51:03] <rob0> go away, spammer.
[21:51:21] <eydaimon> go away, troll
[21:51:52] <seekwill> I have a mage Troll in WoW. Level 18!
[21:52:23] <eydaimon> Is it a spammer? :)
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[21:58:34] <bahadunn> I have multiple relay hosts setup with the dns equal priority however it seems as if SMTP AUTH stopped working
[21:59:20] <bahadunn> basically the main MTA sends out through multiple relay MTAs but it has to use TLS and authenticate via SMTP AUTH to relay through any of the relay MTAs
[21:59:43] <bahadunn> I setup the sasl_passwd file with [hostname.domain.com] username:password
[21:59:56] <bahadunn> is this the right thing to do for my situation?
[22:00:15] <bahadunn> it seems to not be working but I know SASL works on the relay MTAs
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[22:03:03] <rob0> Multiple relayhost all needing AUTH? What a strange setup. Did you consider getting a static IP and not needing relayhost at all?
[22:04:10] <bahadunn> all MTA hosts have static ips
[22:05:09] <rob0> You control these relayhost sites?
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[22:07:37] <bahadunn> yes
[22:07:43] <bahadunn> I have access to them anyways
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[22:08:51] <rob0> so the simple solution (keep in mind, I am not seeing the Big Picture, and it makes no sense from what I do see) is to add the relaying host[s] to $mynetworks, no longer require them to AUTH.
[22:09:33] <bahadunn> actually I got it sorted out I think
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[22:15:03] <eydaimon> yeah, I would have been surprised if rob0 actually helped with anything
[22:16:42] <vivia> i like the spirit of solidarity in this channel :)
[22:16:54] <xpoint> eydaimon, rob0 have his points still, its not his fault you cant see them
[22:17:52] <eydaimon> xpoint: that's possible. being hostile about it hardly makes friends however.
[22:18:11] <xpoint> such is life
[22:19:01] <eydaimon> then it should be no surprise to anyone if he gets treated likewise
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[22:32:06] <suprsonic> is header_checks global?
[22:39:27] <rob0> Yes
[22:39:51] <suprsonic> oh dang
[22:40:21] <rob0> header_checks is also almost always the wrong answer :)
[22:40:36] <rob0> whatever the question/issue may be
[22:40:43] <suprsonic> you might remember Im migrating from mailscanner to dspam.
[22:40:51] <suprsonic> I need it to be an easy move
[22:40:58] <rob0> yes, and I suggested check_recipient_access
[22:42:45] <suprsonic> thinking about it
[22:42:50] <suprsonic> wait for it.... wait for it
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[22:56:34] <suprsonic> I totally understand what you're saying rob0, but Im trying to figure out how I can put check_recipient_access into place.
[22:57:34] <suprsonic> right now every email inbound and outbound is being held via a header_checks regex.
[22:58:18] <suprsonic> how can I create a check_recipient_access to include incoming and outgoing messages?
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[23:01:48] <rob0> !restriction_classes
[23:01:49] <knoba> rob0: Error: "restriction_classes" is not a valid command.
[23:01:52] <rob0> !restriction_class
[23:01:53] <knoba> rob0: "restriction_class" : postfix per-client/user/etc. access control http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[23:04:07] <xpoint> rob0, its the first one in postfix so knopa is bad :)
[23:07:39] <rob0> Don't blame the messenger, I think I made that factoid. :)
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[23:11:23] <notech> hi, where would i look when i get a 'relay access denied' error?
[23:12:08] <rob0> !relay_denied
[23:12:10] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[23:16:07] <notech> rob0: hmm, ok. not quite the same error, but someplace to start. thanks
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