[00:00:18] <dariball> can i dump one mail in the mailqueue in postfix into a file?
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[00:01:49] <moggie2> sure
[00:01:52] <moggie2> cat and redirect to a fhile
[00:01:54] <moggie2> file
[00:03:03] <dariball> means the queue is stored in a directory and not exclusivly in memory? so which directory is it?
[00:03:29] <moggie2> depends what happened to the msg
[00:03:44] <jair> moggie2: I did the test using telnet and send a message to myself, I got it on gmail
[00:04:00] <jair> I replied and now I don't know where to look for the message
[00:04:09] <jair> I have not configure any pop server yet
[00:04:15] <jair> just smtp, tls, postfix
[00:05:43] <moggie2> check your maillog
[00:05:51] <moggie2> it might tell you what postfix has done with it
[00:06:00] <moggie2> but it will depend on what you told it to do with your configuration options
[00:06:09] <jair> it say rejected
[00:06:28] <jair> relay access denied
[00:06:47] <jair> no queue
[00:06:55] <moggie2> it hasn't been stored then
[00:07:03] <jair> that is what it shows, but I can see the email server trying to communicate with mine
[00:07:16] <dariball> moggie2, postqueue -p is full of  not deliverable messages ... i'm expecting some "hole" in some webmailer on my box, so i want to see a whole mail - not just the postqueue -p outfit.... are they stored somewhere ?
[00:07:40] <jair> where will it stored, if I do not have any configuration that say "/home/maildir" or something like that
[00:08:14] <moggie2> jair: rejected inbound messages are not stored.
[00:08:38] <jair> inbound, they are coming from an external MTA right
[00:08:39] <moggie2> dariball: depends on your platform, sometimes all the postfix stuff is in /var/spool/postfix
[00:08:42] <jair> from hotmail
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[00:09:08] <moggie2> jair: what's the question again?
[00:10:10] <jair> I did send an email using my MTA to hotmail, the person received the message, but when they reply they got a message (they could not send the message) and I check my log and say something like rejected blah blah
[00:10:32] <jair> what do I need to install or configure to be able of receive messages
[00:10:52] <moggie2> exactly why was the msg rejected?
[00:11:07] <dariball> moggie2, yes /var/spool/postfix ... that's what i was looking for - thx - linux platform here btw...
[00:11:22] <moggie2> dariball: welcome
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[00:15:58] <jair> moggie2: I think is because I do not have a place to store the messages configured on my MTA?
[00:17:07] <moggie2> it might be, but you wont know unless you look at the error / reject message
[00:19:20] <moggie2> if you don't think it's delivering local mail
[00:19:32] <moggie2> reading this might help you configure it
[00:19:32] <moggie2> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[00:20:19] <jair> moggie2: Thank you i will check that
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[00:41:15] <rhalff> Hi if I want to make a custom logger for postfix where do I start ?
[00:41:50] <rhalff> right now I'm parsing every message with a php script though a pipe, which works very well actually, but it can't hardly be called optimal.. :)
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[01:25:47] <Nothing_> someone here use dspam with virtual users/domains with postfix ? :)
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[01:26:20] <Nothing_> I can't told to dspam new "spam"
[01:26:32] <Nothing_> usually we send spam to spam-user at domain dot tld
[01:26:58] <Nothing_> because I use virtual domains/users, I have this error : Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table;
[01:27:07] <Nothing_> that's normal because this user didn't exist
[01:27:53] <Nothing_> but how can I configure postfix to send mails (spam-*user* at *domain dot tld) to dspam retrain ?
[01:28:09] <Nothing_> maybe someone here use dspam+virtual users+postfix could help me ... :)
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[02:45:50] <deface> i dont use dpsam, but i'd say try using procmail
[02:45:54] <deface> Nothing_: -^
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[02:46:52] <Nothing_> snappy help me on #dspam :)
[02:47:31] <deface> ah
[02:47:36] <deface> what'd he say to use ?
[02:47:37] <Nothing_> now I'm searching some documentation about "check_recipient_access"
[02:47:49] <deface> or that
[02:48:23] <Nothing_> basicly, dspam use an virtual alias like : spam-$user$ at $domain dot tld$ to told him that a mail is a spam
[02:48:40] <Nothing_> and ham-user at domain dot tld to told it : that mail isn't spam
[02:48:44] <cite> Nothing_: Can dspam deal with mails which it gets feed on STDIN?
[02:49:22] <Nothing_> now I have postfix with virtual users / domains... and I don't want to create multiple virtual aliases for each mails/domains
[02:49:39] <Nothing_> so I'm searching about "check_recipient_access", but I don't know how it works ... it's hard :)
[02:49:42] <Nothing_> (for me)
[02:49:56] <cite> If dpsam can deal with mails presented on STDIN, that becomes quite easy.
[02:50:22] <Nothing_> cite:  I don't know well dspam and postfix ... I'm testing it, but at this moment, I'll prefer it (Qmail pissed me off)
[02:51:20] <cite> I once set up dspam as an LMTP content_filter with Postfix. Retraining mails was done using the web interface.
[02:51:35] <Nothing_> yep, I'm trying to retrain with web interface
[02:51:36] <Dominian> dspam has a web interface..?
[02:51:49] * Dominian looks
[02:51:55] <Nothing_> I click on "As spam" on history tab
[02:51:58] <Nothing_> but nothing changes
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[02:52:25] <cite> Ah well, I remember the pain.
[02:52:30] <Nothing_> so I think I have an error, and I don't have any spam-user@domain or ham-user@domain ... so I think the problem is here
[02:52:32] <Nothing_> but I'm not sure
[02:52:56] <Nothing_> ho, you have a tips ?
[02:53:00] <cite> Nothing_: The web interface doesn't use mail aliases. It works by modifying the data(base) directl.
[02:53:13] <Nothing_> ho great news for me
[02:53:16] <cite> You problem sounds somewhat like a permission problem.
[02:53:27] <Nothing_> but why nothing appens when I clic on that ?
[02:53:29] <Nothing_> hmmmph
[02:53:43] <Nothing_> how can I launch debug mode ? :)
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[02:53:50] <cite> I don't remember.
[02:53:55] <Nothing_> ho crap
[02:53:57] <cite> I dropped dspam entirely for various reasons.
[02:54:11] <Dominian> cite: what do you use now?
[02:54:12] <Nothing_> please try to remember =)
[02:54:13] <Dominian> amavsid-new?
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[02:54:30] <Nothing_> It not solve my problem but... by curiosity, why have you dropped taht ?
[02:54:33] <cite> Dominian: Standard amavisd-new + Spamassassin + Virus Scanner setup
[02:54:48] * Dominian nods
[02:55:05] <cite> Nothing_: Old code, almost no active developement, multiple unfixed issues, lack of documentation, inadequate spam hit ratio.
[02:55:16] <Nothing_> hmm
[02:55:33] <cite> Oh, add inadequate webinterface with gross code.
[02:55:39] <Dominian> heh
[02:55:42] <cite> And add inadequate integration of virus scanning.
[02:55:52] <Dominian> I knwo most don't like it, but I use mailscanner and mailwatch
[02:55:54] <cite> Lack of content filtering based on MIME types.
[02:55:58] <Nothing_> but I need to fix my web frontend :)
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[02:57:07] <lucas_> hi there. I have working in the instalation of a postfix server for the last days. Now i only need to understand a bit about how pipeling works in the delivery (not sure if those are the right words ... I mean to pass incoming by a program prior to delivery) anyone can recommend something for me to read ?
[02:57:37] <Dominian> what?
[02:57:43] <cite> lucas_: How about http://www.postfix.org/CONTENT_INSPECTION_README.html to start with?
[02:57:45] <Dominian> lucas_: can you give us a bit of history as to what you want to accomplish?
[02:58:05] <Nothing_> ho, Dominian, you're here too... I've just realised that =)
[02:58:18] <Dominian> Nothing_: hehe
[02:58:23] <Dominian> Nothing_: I'm everywhere ;)
[02:58:30] <Nothing_> ho, you too ? =)
[02:58:32] <cite> Nothing_: Probably, the user and group under which the code in the web interface runs is wrong.
[02:58:33] <Dominian> hehe
[02:58:38] <Dominian> Nothing_: How's France?
[02:58:52] <Nothing_> It's 3h00 AM in france now
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[02:59:07] <Nothing_> I'm tired but I need / want to fix my dspam
[02:59:16] <Dominian> Nothing_: ahhh I know how thta goes
[02:59:33] <Nothing_> cite: yep, I searching in that direction
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[02:59:53] <cite> Nothing_: Take an inventory of files in /var/dspam (or wherever the local files are stored). Note their ownership.
[03:00:23] <cite> Nothing_: Then get your webserver to run the scripts under the exat same uid (or at least, gid). (apache: suexec)
[03:01:11] <Nothing_> I'm using suexec (user/group : dspam/dspam)
[03:01:11] <lucas_> Dominian: i am migratin an instalation from qmail to postfix, The old instalation has a redir for when people lose their accounts. This redir not only delivers the mail, but also runs incoming email through a script, and sends a response saing "this email account is to be terminated, please ask your friend for his new mail address", and I'd like to keep the feature
[03:01:33] <Dominian> ahhhh
[03:01:37] <Nothing_> if I remember, this cgi will not run if it's run by another user
[03:01:40] <Dominian> lucas_: yeah content_filter is what you're probably after
[03:01:42] <Dominian> !content_filter
[03:01:42] <knoba> Dominian: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.
[03:01:45] <cite> lucas_: You can do that with therelocated_table.
[03:01:52] <Dominian> or what cite said
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[03:01:59] <Dominian> !therelocated_table
[03:02:00] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "therelocated_table" is not a valid command.
[03:02:02] <Dominian> hah figures
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[03:02:24] <cite> lucas_: http://www.postfix.org/relocated.5.html and http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relocated_maps
[03:04:33] <lucas_> cite: will this allow me to send the mail to the recipient and the alert to the sender , or just the alert ?
[03:04:58] <cite> lucas_: Just the alert, the mail will bounce.
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[03:05:46] <cite> lucas_: If you want to redirect mail, deliver it locally _and_ send a warning, you will have to do some rewriting in virtual_alias_maps, define a new transport in main.cf as type pipe(8) and make use of transport_maps.
[03:07:20] <lucas_> another thing ... say after a while, someone else takes the same username. What takes precedence ? the bounce and alert or the new user ?
[03:08:08] <cite> The bounce, as long as you don't remove the entry vom relocated_maps.
[03:08:10] <cite> Uh oh.
[03:08:14] <cite> Technically, it's not a bounce.
[03:08:22] <cite> Mail is rejected at ESMTP time.
[03:08:51] <cite> gn8
[03:09:08] <lucas_> =P I dont have any idea of waht that means
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[03:25:22] <Nothing_> hmm shit I don't find anything
[03:27:26] <Nothing_> and when I do : /usr/bin/dspam --source=error --class=spam --signature=1,490cdb0257161646615799 --user name\.xyz\ at domain\ dot tld
[03:27:51] <Nothing_> it don't change the status of mail from ham to spam :(
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[04:46:28] <Nothing_> hem need to sleep
[04:46:31] <Nothing_> going ...
[04:47:07] <Nothing_> cite, Dominian : if u want to know more about my probleme, it's not solved, but ... I investigate ( read : http://groups.google.fr/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/ca7030bb1b752b35# )
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[06:11:05] <derwiki> hi, I'm having trouble with virtual domains. messages seem to be silently getting dropped
[06:11:09] <derwiki> my config file is at http://pastebin.com/d61485293
[06:11:16] <derwiki> does anyone have a second to help me?
[06:12:24] <deface> lets see
[06:12:56] <deface> myhostname = pixcede | should be an fqdn
[06:13:29] <deface> #
[06:13:29] <deface> inet_interfaces = all
[06:13:29] <deface> #
[06:13:29] <deface> inet_protocols = all .. redundant, by default it listens on all
[06:13:45] <deface> [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 - drop it if your not using ipv6
[06:14:04] <deface> besides those, i need some mail logs
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[06:16:42] <derwiki> deface: ok, let me try that, hold on
[06:21:31] <derwiki> deface:  that didn't seem to help.  what logs do you want now?
[06:22:16] <deface> depending on where your mail is logged to - /var/log/mail.log or messages ?
[06:22:48] <deface> bbiab .. like 10
[06:23:09] <derwiki> deface:  the last entry in that is that the config got reloaded
[06:24:58] <derwiki> deface: http://pastebin.com/d498a5425   is the tail of my mail.log
[06:36:00] <higuita> /etc/postfix/virtual/addresses.db: Permission denied
[06:36:11] <higuita> what this tells you derwiki ?!
[06:39:06] <derwiki> higuita:  that was an attempt at something, i've since reverted the changes
[06:39:28] <derwiki> higuita: that was at 5:19, i fixed that problem and reloaded at 5:21
[06:40:02] <derwiki> higuita: there was no error in the most recent run of `postfix reload`
[06:43:10] <deface> back
[06:43:18] <deface> higuita: postmap the file
[06:43:47] <deface> err, derwiki postmap /etc/postfix/virtual/addresses
[06:44:20] <deface> i need to see some inbound & outbound mail logs
[06:46:18] <derwiki> deface:  i got rid of /etc/postfix/virtual/addresses , everything is back in /etc/postfix/virtual   now
[06:46:44] <derwiki> deface: /etc/postfix/virtual/addresses  was a failed attempt at something
[06:46:58] <derwiki> deface:  which mail log files do you want to see?
[06:47:42] <deface> the one that has some inbound/outbound emails
[06:48:44] <derwiki> deface:  well, that's my problem. messages to study at pixcede dot com go through and end up in the mail.log; messages to study at wordisms dot org don't show up in mail.log
[06:49:16] <deface> then you've got a mis-configuration somewhere
[06:49:28] <deface> do pixscede.com emails work ok?
[06:50:37] <derwiki> deface: yes, pixcede.com emails work fine
[06:50:47] <deface> ok, so lets check your virtuals
[06:50:51] <derwiki> deface: wordisms.org emails were working before i set up the virtuals
[06:50:52] <deface> what distro ?
[06:50:56] <derwiki> ubuntu hardy
[06:51:06] <deface> postconf -n
[06:51:13] <deface> paste it all to rafb.net/paste
[06:51:30] <deface> err, or pastebin.com
[06:52:30] <derwiki> deface:  http://pastebin.com/d6c84b155
[06:55:35] <deface> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[06:55:39] <deface> what does virtual look like ?
[06:59:53] <derwiki> deface:  http://pastebin.com/mf32bba9
[07:00:25] <deface> a normal hash file should be - arg1: arg2
[07:00:30] <deface> user at domain dot com: user
[07:00:37] <deface> missing the :
[07:01:31] <derwiki> deface:  oh ok, i was looking at http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html   and they just have tabs
[07:01:41] <derwiki> i can try colons to separate them
[07:02:03] <derwiki> deface: then after that sudo postmap /etc/postfix/virtual  && sudo postfix reload
[07:02:23] <deface> yups
[07:03:36] <derwiki> deface:  ok, i did that and tried sending a message -- still nothing in mail.log
[07:06:20] <deface> enable verbose logging
[07:06:27] <deface> in main.cf add -vv to the smtpd line
[07:07:23] <derwiki> deface:  which smtpd line?  there's a bunch of lines that start with smtpd, none that are -just- smtpd
[07:07:54] <deface> 1st
[07:08:42] <derwiki> deface:  smtpd_banner ?
[07:09:42] <deface> err, master.cf
[07:09:43] <deface> sorry
[07:13:27] <derwiki> deface: i did that and ran postfix reload, and sent a message to study at wordisms dot org -- still nothing shows up in mail.lg
[07:13:45] <derwiki> deface: the log just says that i reloaded the configuration
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[07:15:16] <deface> [01:15][root@zeus][vmware-mui-distrib]$ host wordisms.org
[07:15:16] <deface> wordisms.org has address 209.20.72.16
[07:15:16] <deface> wordisms.org mail is handled by 0 mail.wordisms.org.
[07:15:16] <deface> [01:16][root@zeus][vmware-mui-distrib]$ host mail.wordisms.org
[07:15:16] <deface> Host mail.wordisms.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[07:15:33] <deface> your mx records are fucked up
[07:16:03] <derwiki> deface: oh really?  this was working when wordisms.org was in maildestinations
[07:16:18] <derwiki> deface: before I started setting up virtual hosts
[07:16:40] <deface> try it from your box
[07:16:43] <deface> host mail.wordisms.org
[07:18:43] <derwiki> deface: ok, I fixed it -- can you try that host mail.wordisms.org again?
[07:19:51] <derwiki> deface:  now i get a bounce back when i send a message to study at wordisms dot org
[07:19:55] 
[07:20:10] <deface> youve got it backwards
[07:21:44] <deface> sales at example dot com      jane
[07:21:49] <deface> i guess it is just a tab
[07:21:56] <deface> i dont keep my virtuals in a hash file
[07:22:02] <deface> try putting it back
[07:22:08] <deface> mine are all in mysql
[07:22:26] <derwiki> deface:  ok, I switched that back, but instead of a bounce now, the message just silently drops
[07:22:31] <derwiki> deface: nothing shows up in mail.log
[07:25:40] <derwiki> deface: i see you doing a lot now though :)
[07:25:50] <deface> :(
[07:25:52] <deface> :) *
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[07:28:45] <deface> no bounce ... yet
[07:28:57] <derwiki> deface:  uberpenguin?
[07:29:05] <derwiki> deface:  that went through!
[07:29:12] <deface> yups
[07:29:14] <derwiki> it looks like things are just going super slow from gmail now
[07:29:19] <deface> so your internal dns lookups are jacked
[07:29:34] <deface> ahh sending from external
[07:29:41] <deface> reply back, lets test
[07:29:56] <derwiki> deface: um... how do i do that from command line mail ? :)
[07:30:09] <deface> user a mail client .. mutt
[07:30:24] <deface> whats the point of recieving them, if you cant reply ?
[07:31:25] <derwiki> deface: i'm eventually setting up a .forward that passes them to a script to handle things
[07:31:43] <derwiki> deface: this wont be used for regular mail..
[07:32:39] <deface> ah
[07:33:08] <derwiki> deface: can you send me another mail real quick?
[07:33:20] <derwiki> deface: i just want to confirm that gmail is slow in relaying messages for some reason
[07:34:04] <deface> sent
[07:34:11] <derwiki> deface: ok i just got it
[07:34:24] <derwiki> deface:  i think it's just gmail being slow, on top of having a faulty configuration before
[07:34:30] <derwiki> deface: i think i'm good now :)
[07:34:48] <derwiki> deface: thank you so much for your help! i thought i was going to have to break out wireshark and sniff packets!
[07:35:12] <deface> np
[07:35:19] <deface> thats why its good to have a few test email accounts ;)
[07:36:30] <derwiki> :)
[07:36:34] <derwiki> thanks again man, i'm out!
[07:37:12] <deface> chaow
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[07:51:55] <hyper_ch> hmmm, if I want to relay mail with postfix, how would I authorize myself on the relaying mailserver (I have an account there so I can authorized myself from an email client like TB/KMail)
[07:55:12] <deface> ?
[07:57:58] <hyper_ch> deface: I would like to have run some cron jobs and email the output to an email address
[07:58:28] <deface> wouldn't go all out w/ postfix just for that
[07:58:31] <deface> ssmtp or mailx
[07:58:31] <hyper_ch> deface: however as that server is on a dynamic IP I want to relay it through my ISP
[07:58:35] <deface> idk what distro your using
[07:58:47] <hyper_ch> mailx uses postfix, does it not?
[07:59:14] <hyper_ch> deface: question is, how do I make mailx/postfix/whatever authorize itself at my ISPs mailserver
[07:59:28] <deface> you should be able to relay w/ out authentication
[07:59:55] <hyper_ch> I can't
[08:00:36] <hyper_ch> this may have to do because my ISP doesn't provide email anymore themselves but they use gmail :(
[08:00:44] <deface> lame isp
[08:00:44] <deface> lol
[08:01:09] <hyper_ch> http://www.sunrise.ch/privatkunden/kundendienst/k-internet/kundendienst-email-anleitungen/windows-mozilla-thunderbird-einrichten.htm
[08:01:18] <hyper_ch> deface: if you scroll down you see:  smtp.gmail.com :(
[08:02:11] <deface> whole isp eh .. nice
[08:02:54] <hyper_ch> Big Google's watching you ;)
[08:03:11] <hyper_ch> and not only watching, but also analyzing and studying
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[13:35:04] <cdavis> Is anyone aware of the situation with ubuntu hardy and quota support with the included postfix .deb's?
[13:35:22] <cdavis> aware = familiar
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[13:38:27] <hyper_ch> cdavis: what's the question
[13:39:15] <cdavis> I can't get it to work and have found some threads that says they can't either. I just want to know if the deb works out of the box or if I need to patch and rebuild?
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[13:39:50] <hyper_ch> you can't get quota to work with postfix on hardy?
[13:40:13] <cdavis> correct
[13:40:21] <hyper_ch> no clue :)
[13:40:24] <cdavis> hehe
[13:41:02] <cdavis> do you know how to get postfix to give me verbose logging of everthing that transpires so I can see if there is any indication that quota support exists in my deb
[13:41:26] <hyper_ch> syslog
[13:41:29] <hyper_ch> mail.log
[13:41:50] <hyper_ch> do you have quota activated on your partition?
[13:42:37] <cdavis> hyper_ch, no, i am using virtual domains and trying to get maildir to work
[13:44:17] <hyper_ch> cdavis: tried howtoforge.com ?
[13:44:54] <cdavis> extensively :). I will keep trying though. Wish I could just figure out what path to go down
[13:45:08] <hyper_ch> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier
[13:47:53] <cdavis> thanks, I will read that one
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[13:48:34] <cdavis> That says: quota (quota is not built into Postfix by default, I'll show how to patch your Postfix appropriately)
[13:48:37] <hyper_ch> and falko is very helpful on the forums also ;)
[13:48:41] <cdavis> But it was written in 2005
[13:49:05] <hyper_ch> it's debian
[13:49:21] <hyper_ch> so it's still up-to-date (for debian)
[13:49:34] <cdavis> ah, ok
[13:49:55] <hyper_ch> and very likely if the debian packages don't have that patch then the ubuntu ones will not have it either
[13:50:09] <dxtr> Hello. What would be the easiest way to forward all messages sent to root to another user? I tried created an entry in alias_maps in my database but that won't do it (To be honest, I don't know what alias_maps is for and I haven't found much on google)
[13:50:52] <dxtr> I've edited my aliases file
[13:51:01] <dxtr> And run newaliases
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[13:53:50] <cdavis> dxtr, are you using mysql backend? I am and all I had to do was enter root and myemail at mydomain dot com and it worked. However, I think that would only forward root@mydomain. If you want root@localhost you might need to do something like edit the /etc/aliases file?
[13:55:01] <dxtr> cdavis: I'm using mysql. I never tried to enter just "root" :P
[13:55:02] <dxtr> Will try that
[13:55:08] <dxtr> I thought the syntax was user@domain
[13:55:51] <cdavis> in my mysql table I have a column that specifies the domain. so I only enter the username
[13:56:21] <dxtr> oh, okay
[14:07:27] <dxtr> cdavis: But I actually wanna forward the mail to root at mydomain dot com
[14:07:41] <dxtr> to mymail at mydomain dot com
[14:09:18] <cdavis> I take back what I said, postfixadmin had me confused with the way it had me enter it. Here is what my table looks like
[14:09:37] <cdavis> | dns at domain dot com             | cdavis at domain dot com                          | domain.com                | 2008-11-01 17:41:54 | 2008-11-01 17:41:54 |      1 |
[14:09:41] <xpoint> !pastebin cdavis
[14:09:41] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
[14:10:04] <cdavis> xpoint, was that too much?
[14:10:14] <cdavis> xpoint, anything is too much probably, sorry
[14:10:28] <xpoint> generic its ok with one line, but not more
[14:10:38] <cdavis> k
[14:12:00] <xpoint> cdavis, you should remap the alias "postconf -d | grep alias_maps" that file that is pointed there edit it to have non unix mailbox there and have the resulting domain in postfixadmin
[14:12:58] <xpoint> root: cdavis at domain dot com
[14:13:09] <xpoint> and so on :)
[14:14:49] <xpoint> you should add all domains from mydestination to postfixadmin, but keep localhost, localhost.$myhostname there
[14:15:24] <xpoint> that way you can control all domains in postfixadmin
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[14:15:54] <xpoint> and none from outside can spam your unix users
[14:17:22] <riz_> Hello. Lately I've receive lot of spam with "Re:" and "Fw:" in the subject (seems sent from yahoo) Could someone suggest me a solution for solve this problem? I'm using postfix+postgrey+spamassassin
[14:18:12] <Dominian> Update SA rules?
[14:18:27] <xpoint> riz_, see spamassassin with whitelist_auth
[14:19:05] <xpoint> riz_, yahoo uses dkim so you can reject if users is not whitelisted in mta stage
[14:19:57] <riz_> ok xpoint let me see whitelist_auth, thanks for now.
[14:20:36] <xpoint> riz_, newer use whitelist_auth for whole domains
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[14:21:07] <xpoint> use something like def_whitelist_auth * at yahoo dot com
[14:21:24] <xpoint> whitelist_auth user at yahoo dot com
[14:21:45] <riz_> xpoint yes, whitelist_from_rcvd joe at example dot com  example.com
[14:21:53] <xpoint> whitelist_auth uses both spf and dkim
[14:22:15] <xpoint> riz_, not this one
[14:22:22] <riz_> ops sorry
[14:22:35] <riz_> I've found it
[14:23:10] <xpoint> remember to enable dkim in spamassassin and spf olso
[14:23:39] <xpoint> and change scores to apply better then default scores for whitelist
[14:24:02] <xpoint> spf_pass should not let mail throught :)
[14:24:23] <xpoint> since spammers can use spf to !
[14:24:45] <xpoint> keyword is domain trustness
[14:26:22] <riz_> xpoint now I'm checking how to enable spf and dkim in SA :)
[14:26:40] <xpoint> see the *.pre files
[14:27:30] <xpoint> and check "spamassassin 2>&1 --lint -D | less" :)
[14:29:29] <riz_> xpoint ok :) #loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::DKIM <- this is dkim
[14:29:41] <xpoint> remove #
[14:30:13] <riz_> yes, but reading the doc: Mail::DKIM module required for use, see INSTALL for more information.
[14:30:16] <xpoint> and do the --lint after you edit this
[14:30:47] <xpoint> ao install it :)
[14:33:53] <riz_> libmail-spf-query-perl is already the newest version.
[14:33:54] <riz_> :)
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[14:34:27] <xpoint> see spf plugin on how to enable Mail::SPF
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[14:36:21] <xpoint> riz_, spamassassin can use Mail::SPF::query and Mail::SPF, only Mail::SPF supports SPF rr in dns
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[14:37:29] <riz_> xpoint, ok right
[14:38:19] <xpoint> riz_, guide is the --lint debug
[14:39:03] <xpoint> instaall missing perl module as much as need, but not if the modules is not on your distros
[14:39:52] <xpoint> riz_, disable plugins you dont want in the pre files
[14:39:53] <riz_> xpoint yes I think in my debian lenny there are all modules. The only thing is to enable it
[14:40:10] <xpoint> sounds right :)
[14:40:27] <xpoint> but i use gentoo
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[14:40:39] <riz_> xpoint ok:)
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[14:44:58] <riz_> xpoint http://pastebin.com/m6a709891 seems to be ok.
[14:45:49] <xpoint> riz_, yep, remember to configure the plugin
[14:46:17] <xpoint> perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf
[14:46:29] <xpoint> perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::SPF
[14:46:37] <xpoint> have fun :)
[14:46:55] <riz_> thanks xpoint !
[14:47:47] <xpoint> olso set the envelpe sender in local.cf so spamassassin can use spf with the envelope sender from eg postfix "Return-Path"
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[14:51:50] <riz_> ok, now I need to create a yahoo account for trying spf check :)
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[15:04:35] <tomONbsd> hi all, where can i find some good tutorial about postfix like satelite server, plz ?
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[15:26:32] <xpoint> riz_, yahoo does not use spf
[15:29:23] <xpoint> riz_, sa-test at sendmail dot net mail to this auitoresponder to test it
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[15:57:51] <riz_> xpoint sent :) I'm waiting for result
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[16:13:26] <solairion> hello, i have this problem after the postfix mysql install : Nov  2 15:51:06 ks29423 postfix/virtual[19977]: warning: maildir access problem for UID/GID=101/104: create maildir file /data/mail/teste, can you help me ?
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[16:14:09] <moggie2> the mail directory structure must be writable by the LDA so it can store / create mail
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[16:17:34] <kunshin> hi, how i can check the mails log
[16:17:35] <kunshin> ?
[16:18:03] <moggie2> usually in /var/log/maillog
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[16:36:47] <solairion> moggie2 the directory is chown on postfix user
[16:37:30] <moggie2> what is the UID of the postfix user?
[16:40:39] <solairion> how i can known ?
[16:41:11] <moggie2> you do not know how to find out the id number used by a user?
[16:42:13] <solairion> i don't understand
[16:42:18] <solairion> (i'm french)
[16:42:47] <solairion> i don't know the uid = username, i only think is postfix
[16:42:51] <solairion> is normal
[16:42:54] <solairion> no ?
[16:43:04] <moggie2> what OS are you using?
[16:43:10] <solairion> debian
[16:43:18] <moggie2> do you know what a UID is?
[16:43:39] <solairion> the id of a user
[16:43:44] <moggie2> right
[16:44:10] <moggie2> unix systems use UIDs (numbers) to handle permissions
[16:44:16] <moggie2> which we map to useful usernames
[16:44:25] <moggie2> because numbers are too hard to remember
[16:44:41] <moggie2> with me so far?
[16:45:29] <solairion> (i translate with google)
[16:45:58] <solairion> i understand
[16:46:11] <moggie2> cool
[16:46:36] <solairion> but how obtain the uid of a username ?
[16:46:36] <snappy> solairion: id <user> in shell.
[16:46:38] <moggie2> so debian will keep a file, that contains the mapping between all the UIDs and usernames
[16:47:03] <moggie2> cat /etc/passwd
[16:48:04] <solairion> 101 is statd
[16:48:10] <solairion> not postfix
[16:48:25] <solairion> i try with a chown
[16:48:47] <moggie2> i think you need to change the UID in your postfix maps
[16:48:53] <moggie2> it is trying to use a silly UID
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[16:49:05] <moggie2> UID/GID=101/104: create maildir file
[16:49:08] <heikki2> hi
[16:49:18] <moggie2> 101 does not look right to me at all
[16:50:14] <solairion> how change ?
[16:50:40] <moggie2> are you doing virtual hosting?
[16:51:00] <solairion> no website hosting
[16:51:21] <moggie2> are you doing virtual email domain hosting?
[16:52:25] <heikki2> how do i migrate from old /var/mail/user & ~/Maildir/ to new mysql-based thing.? I have set (in a test environment) the settings so that the new mysql-based thing works 90%, but the problem is, how to convert those old files (folder per file) to the new format (message per file)
[16:52:32] <solairion> this virtual_uid_maps = static:101 ?
[16:52:39] <moggie2> solairion: yes
[16:52:40] <heikki2> i use postfix and dovecot
[16:52:54] <solairion> i set the uid of postfix ?
[16:53:22] <moggie2> solairion: the UID of the LDA that will store the mail in your virtual mail directory structure.
[16:53:36] <moggie2> which is probably postfix
[16:53:43] <moggie2> unless you changed it
[16:54:16] <moggie2> you should be creating a new username for it though
[16:54:20] <heikki2> any ideas on how to convert those files, or is it even needed?
[16:54:25] <moggie2> that is non-priviileged
[16:54:46] <solairion> ok
[16:54:55] <moggie2> heikki2: what does 'folder per file' mean?
[16:55:20] <heikki2> moggie2: like /var/mail/user has all files from the inbox folder but is just one file
[16:55:33] <moggie2> sounds like a mbox format
[16:55:37] <heikki2> yea
[16:55:56] <moggie2> conversion tools exist that might be able to convert for DB for you
[16:55:57] <heikki2> and is the other thing called maildir?
[16:56:10] <moggie2> maildir is one email per file, yes
[16:56:28] <solairion> what is the good pop server ?
[16:56:38] <moggie2> http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration/MailFormat
[16:56:46] <heikki2> solairion: i have used dovecot for some years
[16:56:49] <heikki2> moggie2: thanks :)
[16:56:53] <solairion> thanks
[16:56:56] <moggie2> dovecot is an excellent IMAP and POP3 server
[16:57:01] <moggie2> np
[16:57:45] <riz_> xpoint are you there?
[17:10:30] <heikki2> still one question: Is it possible to convert normal system user passwords to store in the mysql?
[17:10:57] <heikki2> to change the user type from system user to only virtual mail user
[17:11:34] <kunshin> how can I figure out that some mails do not deliver ? I am using postfix.
[17:11:53] <heikki2> kunshin: tail /var/log/mail.*
[17:11:58] <heikki2> mail.log and mail.err
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[17:12:35] <kunshin> mail.err is clean
[17:12:43] <heikki2> mail.log then?
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[17:14:40] <kunshin> i see the log. thanks
[17:15:35] <solairion> i can't access to my pop :'(
[17:15:59] <solairion> I will kill the computer
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[17:21:22] <b4|hraban> Hi, I just noticed that the lighttpd user has been sending himself huge amounts of e-mail because of a cronjob that was failing, and I was wondering what a good way to deal with this is..
[17:21:38] <b4|hraban> obviously, I don't want system users (in my case, UID < 500) getting any mail. at all.
[17:22:20] <b4|hraban> I want outside mail to any such address to bounce (preferably) but if I have to accept it and just delete it, that's fine too, I don't really care...
[17:22:42] <moggie2> fix the cron job?
[17:22:44] <b4|hraban> and if possible I'd like mail to those users from localhost to be forwarded to a certain user
[17:22:56] <b4|hraban> moggie2, that's not exactly the point..
[17:24:01] <moggie2> looks like you want to null route all cron email
[17:24:05] <moggie2> which doesn't make sense.
[17:24:54] <b4|hraban> no, I want mail from localhost to system users to be forwarded to a certain user
[17:25:24] <b4|hraban> and I want outside mail to bounce (the system users' mailboxes should never get any mail, at all, because it makes no sense---nobody ever reads it)
[17:25:26] <moggie2> perhaps setup alias maps?
[17:25:41] <b4|hraban> moggie2, then I'd have to add an alias every time I install a new service
[17:25:50] <moggie2> not necessarily
[17:25:54] <b4|hraban> no?
[17:25:57] <moggie2> what about canonical maps?
[17:26:57] <b4|hraban> ah? does that allow a UID range or something similar?
[17:27:44] <moggie2> more of a catch-all address
[17:28:26] <moggie2> is it just cron email you're getting?
[17:28:28] <moggie2> and want to prevent?
[17:28:43] <b4|hraban> .. I don't want to catch all mail, just system user mail. aside from nonexistent users (which should bounce) I don't want to catch mail for legitimate system users (UID >=500)
[17:28:49] <moggie2> s/prevent/redirect/
[17:28:58] <kunshin> does postfix have a queue ?
[17:29:32] <kunshin> how can check it?
[17:29:32] <b4|hraban> moggie2, for the moment, yes, but I'd like to make sure nobody can send mail to a system user, not from outside.
[17:30:33] <moggie2> kunshin: postqueue -p
[17:30:52] <heikki2> hmm, my system users are not receiving the mail. virtual users are. The mailserver creates an empty INBOX now
[17:31:22] <heikki2> i can copy messages to inbox, but will not receive any mail by sending :>
[17:31:26] <moggie2> b4|hraban: do people ssh to your mail server then?
[17:31:36] <b4|hraban> moggie2, trusted users, yes, why?
[17:32:01] <moggie2> and you store mail for these people in system directories or virtually?
[17:32:08] <moggie2> s/system/home/
[17:32:12] <b4|hraban> in home dirs
[17:32:40] <moggie2> i don't think there is inbuilt functionality to do what you want (that I am aware of)
[17:32:50] <b4|hraban> am I the only one with this problem?
[17:33:02] <b4|hraban> I mean... isn't this one of the most obvious things to do if you want to annoy a sysadmin?
[17:33:03] <moggie2> usually people either want users to receive emails or not.
[17:33:37] <b4|hraban> yes but I take it there are more people with lighttpd, mysql, psql, etc users?
[17:33:46] <xpoint> riz_, 42
[17:33:49] <b4|hraban> how does that work?
[17:33:53] <moggie2> i don't allow system users to receive email, so it's not a problem.
[17:34:06] <b4|hraban> how do you do that?
[17:34:15] <moggie2> by using virtual email
[17:34:25] <b4|hraban> oh, right. makes sense.
[17:34:36] <b4|hraban> then again, that's (abstractly speaking) like a white-list... no?
[17:35:15] <moggie2> well the virtual database creates a list of users that exist... and it only accepts email if there is a valid email account for them.
[17:35:18] <moggie2> so i guess so
[17:35:25] <b4|hraban> ok
[17:35:30] <b4|hraban> well, thanks for your help
[17:35:41] <moggie2> do your normal users run cronjobs?
[17:35:44] <b4|hraban> I think I'll just try to use a whitelist myself, then. if that's possible..
[17:35:46] <moggie2> or just system users?
[17:35:46] <b4|hraban> moggie2, yes
[17:35:57] <moggie2> so you can't just route all cron tab email to a specific users
[17:35:58] <moggie2> user
[17:36:01] <b4|hraban> no, both. actually, I don'teven know about normal users, but I want to allow them to
[17:36:02] <moggie2> bummer
[17:36:13] <b4|hraban> no, and it's not just cron, it's /all/ outside mail
[17:36:26] <b4|hraban> I don't want /any/ e-mail in the mailbox of /any/ system user, ever
[17:36:48] <moggie2> only way i can think you can do that is to setup alias maps for them.
[17:37:16] <b4|hraban> ok. odd, though... I wonder how other people deal with this.
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[17:38:29] <moggie2> not sure, never had the problem so never had to think of a solution.
[17:49:59] <heikki2> now my incoming mail is going for the system users to /var/mail/username but dovecot reads it from /mail/vmail/..... just where the virtual users' mboxes are located
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[17:50:24] <heikki2> how do i tell the system to put all to the same place
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[18:02:15] <tomONbsd> ok, i found some article about postfix-satellite server. posfix check on server and satellite is ok. i have only one trouble.
[18:02:38] <tomONbsd> postfix/smtpd[17571]: lost connection after UNKNOWN from dezane.de[78.47.91.30]    - whats wrong here, plz ?
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[18:05:03] <deface> just means the connection was terminated
[18:05:04] <deface> normal
[18:08:19] <tomONbsd> sure, but why doesnt know server my satellite ? i did set relays in server and satellite too
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[18:22:03] <heikki2> saakohan Can i somehow use shadow-type passwords in dovecot/mysql?
[18:22:17] <heikki2> oops
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[18:34:54] <jeev> anyone use MailZu ?
[18:35:10] <adnc> !mail_name
[18:35:11] <knoba> adnc: "mail_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The mail system name that is displayed in Received: headers, in the SMTP greeting banner, and in bounced mail.
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[18:48:38] <adnc> can mail_name be empty?
[18:49:01] <heikki2> try it
[18:49:52] <deface> wouldn't try it
[18:50:04] <deface> more than likely get flagged as spam &/or blacklisted
[18:50:21] <adnc> it can not be empty i tried but
[18:50:39] <adnc> there is a insertion into the received header entry where it says
[18:50:49] <adnc> (Postfix, from userid 1006)
[18:51:02] <adnc> i would like to removethe from userid xxxx
[18:51:11] <rob0> jeev, devoiced in #asterisk?
[18:51:14] <deface> thats part of tracking, why would you want to ?
[18:51:25] <adnc> the userid
[18:51:32] <adnc> why should this be published?
[18:51:45] <deface> and who knows who use id 1006 is on your box ?
[18:51:46] <deface> lol
[18:51:48] <jeev> rob
[18:51:49] <deface> user *
[18:51:51] <jeev> muted ;D
[18:51:58] <jeev> i had a VERY naughty text to russell
[18:51:58] <rob0> :)
[18:52:01] <jeev> it was really gay
[18:52:02] <adaptr> hi, I upmigrated an ol dpostfix install to presumably 2.5.something, and now I get periodic logs saying connect from unknown[unknown] - how is this even possible ?
[18:52:03] <jeev> i dunno why i said it
[18:52:17] <jeev> HAHAh
[18:52:21] <adnc> deface: whats this information good for?
[18:52:32] <deface> adaptr: just means it doesnt know who is connecting, either too fast, or too slow
[18:52:39] <deface> adaptr: for you ? as an administrator ?
[18:52:54] <adaptr> ehm... it is not showing an IP, which is theoretically impossible
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[18:53:04] <adaptr> if there's a connection, there's an IP
[18:54:00] <adaptr> I can up the debugging but I was hoping for a well-known answer ...
[18:54:11] <adnc> so i understand there is no good reason for keeping this
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[18:54:36] <rob0> adnc, that's what happens when UID 1006 invokes sendmail(1). Try using smtp?
[18:55:08] <adnc> rob0: how you mean try using smtp?
[18:55:50] <jeev> rob0, was that disgusting or what
[18:56:02] <rob0> jeev: :) silly
[18:56:03] <adaptr> deface: specifically, it's this:
[18:56:06] <adaptr> Nov  2 18:48:12 atom postfix/smtpd[20281]: lost connection after CONNECT from unknown[unknown]
[18:56:10] <adaptr> Nov  2 18:48:12 atom postfix/smtpd[20281]: disconnect from unknown[unknown]
[18:56:10] <jeev> heh
[18:56:38] <adaptr> so how can postfix know that it gets an SMTP connection but not know from which IP ?
[18:56:48] <adaptr> that's just silly
[18:57:12] <rob0> adaptr might want to poke around in the source code.
[18:57:28] <adaptr> ...or not :P
[18:57:30] <rob0> or ... just trust Wietse
[18:57:58] <adaptr> trust some random ex-Dutchie that an application bound to a socket can NOT know what the other endpoint is ?
[18:58:07] <adaptr> piffle.. random ex-Dutchies
[18:58:19] <lennard> what, hes not dutchie anymore?
[18:58:21] <lennard> the traitor
[18:58:25] <adaptr> vagaries, I say! vagaries!
[18:58:36] <adaptr> he lives in IBM country now, doesn't he ?
[18:58:45] <lennard> well, yeah
[18:58:52] <lennard> doesn't mean hes not dutchy :P
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[18:59:08] <rob0> Upstate Nu Yawk
[18:59:23] <adaptr> anybody have a clue why it is showing me this message on 2.5 but not on my previous 2.4 ?
[18:59:42] <lennard> if postfix waits long enough accepting the connection its potentially possible the remote end already ended the connection and the kernel cleaned up most ofits info. I think.
[18:59:45] <adaptr> that sounds like some rather fundamental code changes in the core between them
[19:00:01] <adaptr> (any core change is fundamental.. I should know, I babysit release schedules :)
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[19:00:53] <adaptr> lennard: granted, for which a trivial "solution" is to immediately store the socket info in the ACCEPT() for later logging and debugging use
[19:01:44] <adaptr> I can envision a scenario where one does not, and only tries to read the info when postfix is ready for it, thereby robbing me of any means of logging these port scan malefactors (which is what they'll mostly be)
[19:01:55] <lennard> I think the scenario I remembered and described was the one where you're waiting with the accept() a while
[19:02:07] <lennard> but I suppose waiting long enough after accepting also works :P
[19:02:16] <adaptr> apparently ...
[19:03:01] <adaptr> the upshot of it is that people R portscanning mi postfix and I can't immediately DDoS them in retaliation! where is the internetwebtubeseries going!
[19:03:45] <adaptr> lennard: I fully understand the HOW, but I fail to see any use for the WHY
[19:04:03] <lennard> true :)
[19:04:11] <adaptr> postfix has always been one of the better programs in not throwing away ANY information that could ever be useful
[19:04:24] <lennard> I guess I don't feel like poking around in the source either though
[19:04:26] <adaptr> (no, this was not a deliberate stab at qmail...)
[19:04:30] <lennard> so I don't think we'll ever know
[19:04:33] <adaptr> wholly coincidental
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[19:04:44] <lennard> oh, thats one of its downsides too huh?
[19:05:01] <adaptr> well, you know DJB - he knows what's best for YOU!
[19:05:15] <lennard> ofcourse he does
[19:05:31] <adaptr> I am grepping the source, out of pure curiosity
[19:05:45] <adaptr> perhaps the comments will explain...
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[19:19:03] <ovb_> sysmonk, hi!
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[19:20:54] <adaptr> well, that was fun
[19:21:26] <adaptr> note to self: do not fuck around with gnome-terminal settings when you have 5 windows open, because they WILL all die
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[19:27:33] <adaptr> !smtpd_use_tls
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[19:27:35] <knoba> adaptr: Error: "smtpd_use_tls" is not a valid command.
[19:27:36] <arooni> anyone here familair with kolab config for postfix?  if so i'd love your feedback on http://pastie.org/305934 ... with setting up kolab preferenes
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[19:36:08] <roe_> can I configure sytem groups to be valid recipients?
[19:36:38] <adaptr> if you alias them to actual mailboxen, yes
[19:36:42] <adaptr> as groups, no
[19:37:11] <roe_> so, I need to manage the alias separately from group membership
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[19:37:44] <adaptr> perhaps there is a map type that can expand groups (a la @group format), but I'm not aware of it
[19:38:04] <adaptr> traditionally, these things have never been coupled on Unix
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[19:55:25] <sysmonk> ovb_: hey :)
[19:55:31] <sysmonk> ovb_: what ya doing here?
[19:56:26] <sysmonk> adaptr: sure, you know how's that called? alias_maps = /etc/aliases, /etc/groups :P
[19:56:40] <sysmonk> atleast i'd try that way, the format of group file is alias-file compatible
[19:56:46] <sysmonk> groupname: user, user, user
[19:56:56] <sysmonk> err, wait, /me failed
[19:57:03] <adaptr> when didn't you ?
[19:57:09] <sysmonk> gid and group password failed on me
[19:57:16] <sysmonk> adaptr: blah :P
[19:57:30] * adaptr fails postfix
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[20:13:42] <deftunix_> i've a question about per user message size limit. is possible define multiple virtual or other delivery agent instance with different message_size_limit and use this agent for users?
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[20:14:19] <deftunix_> the main problem is when in mail recipient appear different user whit different message size limit?
[20:16:30] <adaptr> !message_size_limit
[20:16:30] <knoba> adaptr: "message_size_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal size in bytes of a message, including envelope information.
[20:16:52] <adaptr> that's global
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[20:18:34] <deftunix_> isn't possible define per user limit?
[20:19:55] <ovb_> sysmonk, trying remember password :-)
[20:20:16] <adaptr> deftunix_: the docs say no
[20:21:06] <sysmonk> ovb_: your nick pass?
[20:21:07] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:21:14] <ovb_> mhm
[20:22:39] <ovb_> btw, we have wine party @home :-)
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[20:24:32] <sysmonk> with who?
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[20:25:47] <ovb_> with neighbours :-)
[20:26:04] <sysmonk> ah, i see
[20:27:33] <ovb_> it's simple way to see neighbours: sh cdp neighbors =)
[20:27:51] <sysmonk> heheh
[20:28:45] <sysmonk> ovb_: we're just drinking some beer at home with friends, so 'party' here too, but i don't really like it
[20:29:02] <ovb_> yeh..
[20:29:21] <sysmonk> ovb_: btw, did you do something today with the dc1/dc2 ?
[20:29:59] <ovb_> just left build raid50 :-)
[20:30:07] <sysmonk> 50?!
[20:30:14] <ovb_> just for fun..
[20:30:17] <sysmonk> o_O
[20:30:34] * sysmonk counts the disks...
[20:30:41] <sysmonk> how much disks did they have?
[20:30:45] <sysmonk> 8 ?
[20:30:46] <ovb_> 6
[20:30:56] <sysmonk> ah, i see
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[20:36:17] <ovb_> wine goes to the end..
[20:36:45] <sysmonk> yeah, i can see the bottom of the bottle here too
[20:36:58] <sysmonk> but errgh, i still have some (lots) of vodka on the balcony :P
[20:37:00] <ovb_> but.. at maxima (for to day) wine has -25% discount :-P
[20:37:04] <sysmonk> and some beer which i don't like
[20:37:25] <sysmonk> wee, nice, i'm not a wine lover but i'd buy some for the future :)
[20:40:49] <ovb_> actually i'm waiting VK meet.. with alots of beer.. maybe vodka ;-)
[20:41:13] <ovb_> ok, it's offtopic..
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[20:53:51] <arooni> anyone know how to fix this: ? http://pastie.org/305979  issues with kolab and postfix :P
[20:54:45] <adaptr> #kolab
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[20:56:05] <P5YCHO> yo
[20:56:10] <P5YCHO> n e body here
[20:56:23] <adaptr> negatory
[20:56:29] <adaptr> we M R us all awayz
[20:58:08] <P5YCHO> >=|
[20:58:10] <P5YCHO> wtf
[20:58:17] <P5YCHO> why can u get completly away then
[20:58:20] <P5YCHO> cant*
[20:58:26] <P5YCHO> why u got ot be 50/50
[20:58:30] <P5YCHO> i got a question
[20:58:36] <P5YCHO> say i have a new house
[20:58:38] <adaptr> the channel.. it's calling to us...
[20:58:41] <P5YCHO> how do i go about setting it up to get mial
[20:58:45] <P5YCHO> o yea i bet
[20:58:52] <P5YCHO> sounds to me like your doctor is calling maybe
[20:58:53] <P5YCHO> med time
[20:59:04] <adaptr> excuse me ?
[20:59:27] <adaptr> do you have anything remotely resembling an actual postfix MTA question, or are you going to FOAD immediately ?
[20:59:35] <adaptr> I'm tempted to make you
[20:59:56] <P5YCHO> yea
[21:00:02] <P5YCHO> make mE
[21:00:05] <P5YCHO> well come make me then
[21:00:10] <P5YCHO> i thought a question about my mail
[21:00:13] <P5YCHO> regarding the POST office
[21:00:18] <P5YCHO> would be apperioate
[21:00:20] <P5YCHO> but since u want to make me
[21:00:22] <P5YCHO> mr mail man
[21:00:25] <P5YCHO> lets get POSTAL
[21:02:09] <P5YCHO> lame
[21:02:13] <P5YCHO> i'll make youir fuckin CABLE MODEM
[21:02:15] <P5YCHO> blink 1 light less
[21:02:17] <P5YCHO> mother fucker
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[21:03:04] <adaptr> well chosen, that nick
[21:03:59] <arooni> i'm trying to figure out how i can have the simplest to set up app that allows users to create/edit/update email addresses on a given box that currently serves an app on www.domain.com ... i.e. mail.domain.com.  i've been trying to setup kolab but i find it bulky, complicated to set up, and still it is not working... ideas?
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[21:04:34] <adaptr> why would you want users to be able to edit email addresses ?
[21:04:48] <arooni> adaptr, thats the requirement from the client... i dont know why
[21:05:10] <adaptr> ah, client, implicating you get paid, no ?
[21:05:26] <adaptr> so get to know your groupware - kolab, phpgw, zimbra, whatever pleases you err.. him
[21:06:36] <jense> arooni: kolab is *very* easy to setup - you obviously do something wrong
[21:07:03] <lennard> oh yes, obviously
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[21:12:44] <arooni> is there some other solution that is easier to setup?
[21:13:01] <adaptr> edit /etc/aliases by hand
[21:13:10] <adaptr> waay easier than anything else you may think of
[21:13:24] <arooni> um but how could user do crud on email accounts
[21:13:26] <arooni> via website?
[21:13:57] <adaptr> postfixadmin can do some stuff
[21:16:05] <arooni> adaptr, i'm trying to view screenshots;  can it do crud on email accounts?
[21:16:18] * vivia just scrolled up a bit. whew, those noobs are everywhere...
[21:16:41] <adaptr> arooni: crud ? like... screw them up ? that's best done by hand, really
[21:17:03] <arooni> adaptr, create, update, delete
[21:17:09] <arooni> ;p
[21:17:16] <adaptr> if they're virtual, yes, you can
[21:17:24] <adaptr> seriously, go investigate it
[21:17:31] <adaptr> it will tell you more than I know
[21:17:35] <arooni> i am trying;  half the site is down :(
[21:17:48] <adaptr> which half ? if it's the postfix half, we can help with that
[21:17:49] <arooni> what do you mean virtual?  they cant be real email addresses?
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[21:17:57] <adaptr> not in postfixadmin, no
[21:18:04] <adaptr> virtual domains and virtual users
[21:18:05] <jair> hello guys, I keep getting a message on my post fix server each time I log in about receiving a new message.  I have configured only two accounts on my linux system (debian etch) the users are "root" and "jair" I have on the "/etc/postfix/aliases" the following information: http://paste.debian.net/20532/ Question! am I creating a lookp?
[21:18:15] <arooni> whats the difference between virutal email addresses and real ones
[21:18:30] <adaptr> a virtual address does not correspond to a system user account
[21:18:42] <adaptr> they're both equally "real", they both exist
[21:18:54] <adaptr> but a virtual address must explicitly be delivered to a mailbox
[21:19:02] <adaptr> a system user usually has a mailbox
[21:19:19] <arooni> ok well i will likely have many more virtual email addresses than user accounts on linux
[21:19:26] <arooni> so it sounds like postfixadmin could help here
[21:19:31] <jair> adaptr: in my case the mailbox is: "/var/mail/user" correct?
[21:20:03] <adaptr> unknown
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[21:20:49] <jair> adaptr: mail:~# postconf mail_spool_directory
[21:20:49] <jair> mail_spool_directory = /var/mail
[21:21:05] <adaptr> yes, and ?
[21:21:09] <adaptr> what is the question ?
[21:21:26] <jair> let me pste the question again
[21:21:30] <jair> hello guys, I keep getting a message on my post fix server each time I log in about receiving a new message.  I have configured only two accounts on my linux system (debian etch) the users are "root" and "jair" I have on the "/etc/postfix/aliases" the following information: http://paste.debian.net/20532/ Question! am I creating a lookp?
[21:23:54] <jair> do i need to edit my "/etc/postfix/aliases" and put something like => postmaster: root and root: root and jair: jair?
[21:24:15] <heikki2> no need for root: root and jair: jair
[21:24:33] <jair> hmm
[21:24:47] <adaptr> and it's not postfix/aliases - it shouldn't be
[21:25:01] <heikki2> it is maybe /etc/aliases
[21:25:30] <jair> well I am following the examples of the "book of portfix"
[21:25:33] <jair> postfix
[21:25:37] <jair> hmmm
[21:26:16] <heikki2> grep aliases /etc/postfix/main.cf
[21:26:32] <heikki2> for me it says for example alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[21:26:37] <jair> so then in my main.cf should be: http://paste.debian.net/20533/
[21:26:48] <adaptr> postconf aliases
[21:26:49] <jair> right
[21:27:08] <jair> mail:~# postconf aliases
[21:27:08] <jair> postconf: warning: aliases: unknown parameter
[21:27:21] <jair> I may need to put that the way it was then :(
[21:27:23] <jair> one sec
[21:27:35] <jair> that stupid book is confusing me
[21:27:47] <jair> maybe that is the problem
[21:29:04] <adaptr> because it wasn't "the book of stupid" ?
[21:29:16] <jair> hmmm
[21:29:21] <heikki2> :<
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[21:30:04] <jair> but believe me in the book it is talking about "/etc/postfix/aliases" and when I installed postfix I saw: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases so I changed
[21:30:30] <roe_> I have an odd situation...
[21:30:45] <heikki2> jair: for what postfix version is that book? :)
[21:30:49] <jair> now do i need to run the hash program with postalias again
[21:30:59] <jair> heikki2: not sure
[21:31:20] <jair> 2.x
[21:31:49] <jair> Installed: 2.3.8-2+etch1 this is the version I am currently running
[21:31:53] <roe_> I have server A which is the main postfix server for my network, I have server B which is a mailing list server with postfix configured.  there is a transport configured on server A to forward all messages addressed to mailinglist.domain.com to server B.  Server be is using Server A as an smtp relay... I am getting a 554 too many hops error
[21:32:20] <roe_> Server be = Server B
[21:32:31] <adaptr> a relay to where ?
[21:32:38] <adaptr> to expand the list addresses, right ?
[21:32:44] <roe_> yes
[21:33:00] <adaptr> and it also resends it to the ML address again... which loops
[21:34:10] <roe_> I send a message to list at mailinglist dot roe.lan, server A forwards that message to server B, server B expands addresses to all subscribed and re-sends message to each user to server A, and server A should send the message out to the world
[21:34:30] <roe_> not sure where the loop is
[21:34:37] <adaptr> what do your logs say?
[21:34:57] <roe_> my logs say there is a loop, but conceptually I don't see one
[21:34:58] <heikki2> roe_: are you sure the server B expands the address correctly? have you looked to the logs
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[21:35:31] <jair> heikki2: why I keep getting this ? postconf: warning: aliases: unknown parameter
[21:35:32] <adaptr> roe_: vagueness.. show hard data
[21:35:47] <jair> I did the change back and added "/etc/aliases"
[21:36:01] <heikki2> jair: just run command newaliases
[21:36:33] <heikki2> it will read the /etc/aliases file
[21:36:52] <jair> like this: newaliases hash:/etc/aliases?
[21:37:08] <xpoint> jair, no just newaliases
[21:37:15] <jair> ohh ok
[21:37:37] <jair> done
[21:37:48] <xpoint> jair, did you edit the right one "postconf -d | grep alias_maps"
[21:37:59] <jair> yes
[21:38:27] <xpoint> postfix reload
[21:38:44] <jair> it looks like: alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[21:38:44] <jair> alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
[21:39:05] <jair> and I did that right after running the newaliases command
[21:39:18] <adaptr> you might want to do that BEFORE
[21:39:30] <jair> hmm
[21:39:37] <adaptr> they're not really related
[21:39:46] <jair> ohh ok
[21:39:47] <adaptr> newaliases builds a hashed db from the aliases file
[21:39:56] <adaptr> this has nothing to do with it being USED or not
[21:40:03] <jair> well this is the only thing I have on the "/etc/aliases" now postmaster:    root
[21:40:09] <adaptr> when you change postfix configuration, you must at least reload postfix
[21:40:19] <jair> ok
[21:40:22] <jair> that is what I did
[21:40:34] <adaptr> and you should really direct all root mail to an actual person
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[21:41:38] <jair> but what I am trying to accomplish is, when someone send email to: postmaster from outside I wanted to be send to root, and all messages to root I want them to be send to jair, and messages from internal system to root, send to jair as well. and messages sent to jair from external to jair.
[21:41:59] <jair> adaptr: "jair" is my account on the debian system besides root
[21:42:15] <vivia> jair: you said it was debian, right? shouldn't it have this configuration by default? at least my ubuntu did
[21:42:25] <adaptr> "from external" is meaningless
[21:42:32] <adaptr> did you set up postfix as an Internet host ?
[21:42:44] <adaptr> if so, just alias root: to your account
[21:42:51] <adaptr> your account is a real systejm account
[21:42:55] <vivia> jair: i have this configuration: postmaster: root \n root:  vivia
[21:42:58] <adaptr> problem solved
[21:43:03] <vivia> replace \n by enter :D
[21:43:35] <jair> ohhh ok
[21:43:39] <jair> let mecheck that
[21:44:08] <jair> vivia: the default I have is: postmaster: root nothing else
[21:44:19] <heikki2> jair: add a line  root: jair
[21:44:23] <jair> ok
[21:44:54] <heikki2> and then newaliases
[21:45:03] <jair> ok
[21:45:24] <jair> done
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[21:45:58] <jair> my question is: will this affect the messages coming from localhost or also the ones sent by another MTA (external)
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[21:46:14] <vivia> jair: both
[21:46:19] <jair> I see
[21:46:21] <jair> alright
[21:46:35] <jair> so I will try now sending a message to my email: jair at persistentit dot com
[21:46:46] <adaptr> jair: there is no difference as far as ostfix is concerned - mail comes in, mail goes out, it doesn't matter from where
[21:46:56] <jair> ok
[21:46:58] <jair> I see
[21:47:47] <jair> guys I keep getting the message: postconf: warning: aliases: unknown parameter
[21:48:05] <jair> after I ran postfix reload and newaliases
[21:48:07] <jair> :(
[21:49:00] <heikki2> do you try to run postconf aliases
[21:49:21] <jair> and I sent a message to my account jair, and it went to "nobody" :(
[21:49:36] <adaptr> what. does. the. log. say.
[21:49:44] <jair> I guess I need to add jair: jair
[21:49:53] <jair> let me check the log
[21:49:54] <heikki2> no
[21:50:47] <js_> when doing host -t mx spinea.se i get "!!! spinea.se MX host mail.spinea.se is not canonical"
[21:50:47] <heikki2> jair: are you using virtual email hosts?
[21:50:50] <js_> what does it mean, and how can i fixi t?
[21:50:58] <jair> http://paste.debian.net/20537/
[21:51:20] <heikki2> spinea.se mail is handled by 10 mail.spinea.se.
[21:52:03] <jair> mail:~# postconf aliases
[21:52:04] <jair> postconf: warning: aliases: unknown parameter
[21:52:13] <adaptr> then stop doing that
[21:52:19] <adaptr> it's a nonsense
[21:52:26] <heikki2> jair: don't run that command :)
[21:52:32] <jair> hahaha
[21:52:39] <jair> so what should I do then?
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[21:52:58] <jair> something is wrong on that line...
[21:53:00] <heikki2> put your main.cf to somewhere in internet
[21:53:05] <jair> ok
[21:53:32] <adaptr> postmap -q jair hash:/etc/aliases
[21:53:51] <jair> heikki2: http://paste.debian.net/20538/
[21:54:02] <jair> adaptr: one sec I will run that
[21:54:06] <adaptr> also, don't paste main.cf - use postconf -n
[21:54:14] <adaptr> we don't care about Debian defaults
[21:54:28] <heikki2> oh yea, postconf -n is better
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[21:55:00] <jair> ok
[21:55:14] <jair> adaptr: the command you gave me did not give any output
[21:55:23] <adaptr> okay, now try root
[21:55:26] <jair> postmap -q jair hash:/etc/aliases <=== that one
[21:55:30] <jair> ok
[21:55:47] <heikki2> #
[21:55:53] <jair> it shows jair
[21:55:54] <jair> :)
[21:56:02] <adaptr> you should be set, then
[21:56:25] <jair> adaptr: so if i send a message to postmaster, root will get it.
[21:56:30] <adaptr> no
[21:56:33] <adaptr> you will get it
[21:56:39] <adaptr> root will never get mail
[21:56:42] <jair> right right
[21:56:48] <jair> :)
[21:56:57] <adaptr> learn to read your logs, it will show you what happens
[21:57:07] <jair> so messages to postmster, and jair will go to: /var/mail/jair
[21:57:09] <heikki2> tail /var/log/mail.log
[21:57:40] <jair> ohh ok, btw I really appreciate, your help guys this is making a lot of sense now
[21:57:54] <adaptr> tail -f for actual usefulness
[21:57:59] <jair> ok
[21:58:00] <heikki2> yea
[21:58:02] <jair> let me check
[21:58:04] <heikki2> depends on the case
[21:58:08] <vivia> jair: /var/log/mail.err might also be useful
[21:58:18] <jair> ohh
[21:58:32] <jair> ok, so in conclusion = postconf aliases this command does not make any sense
[21:58:44] <adaptr> never has, never will
[21:58:53] <adaptr> postconf |grep aliases, however
[22:00:15] <jair> adaptr: :)
[22:00:55] <jair> it is working nicely and with the command tail -f /var/log/mail.log, i could see when the email arrived and how was the origin etc.. very cool stuff
[22:01:02] <adaptr> we know
[22:01:07] <jair> thank you very much
[22:01:25] <jair> I need to learn and understand alot though
[22:01:50] <jair> so basically, all the messages will arrive to "/var/mail/nameofuser"
[22:02:15] <heikki2> yea
[22:02:53] <adaptr> if you use the default mbox setup (which sucks)
[22:03:02] <adaptr> mbox is so last century
[22:03:02] <jair> but my concern is: root exist in my debian system, jair also exist in my debian system.  but  postmaster does not.  it is  kind of virtual
[22:03:09] <adaptr> no, it is an alias
[22:03:18] <jair> I see
[22:03:26] <jair> so that is what I am using ? mbox?
[22:03:32] <adaptr> you can build a small-ish mailing list with nothing but aliases
[22:03:39] <jair> I see
[22:03:47] <adaptr> mylist: jair, joe, bob, john, sarah
[22:03:49] <jair> so I am using last century configuration :(
[22:03:56] <adaptr> will expand the alias to those addresses
[22:04:07] <jair> got it
[22:04:09] <adaptr> they don't even have to be local
[22:04:11] <arooni> `how do i learn which version of postfix i'm running?
[22:04:21] <adaptr> postfix -v ?
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[22:04:35] <adaptr> come on, that was obvious
[22:04:36] <heikki2> adaptr: will give an error
[22:04:40] <adaptr> yes
[22:04:56] <adaptr> postconf version
[22:05:03] <adaptr> or myversion, or something
[22:05:17] <adaptr> this is why I use grep - a LOT :)
[22:05:32] <adaptr> I refuse to remember the exact vagaries of 400-odd postfix variables
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[22:06:10] <heikki2> postconf mail_version
[22:06:18] <heikki2> that command works
[22:06:25] <jair> arooni: use this ===> postconf -v | grep version
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[22:06:40] <arooni> ok thank you
[22:07:00] <adaptr> the -v is useless
[22:07:02] <arooni> ok now i'm reinstalling;  its asking me which type of config i want.  i want to be able to send/receive emails.... so should i use "Internet site"
[22:07:04] <jair> arooni: this one is even more elegant => postconf mail_version
[22:07:20] <jair> yes
[22:07:34] <jair> it looks like arooni is new on postfix like me
[22:07:39] <arooni> yes sir
[22:07:40] <jair> :-)
[22:08:04] <arooni> OK so for mail name.... i need to enter FQDN.  i have not set up any MX records, is this OK?
[22:08:13] <jair> this guys know a lot, so I think you need to read the manual yourself to at least ask the right questions
[22:08:29] <adaptr> arooni: then you won't get any mail unless it's specifically addressed to your machine name
[22:08:51] <adaptr> you won't get domain mail without an MX record
[22:09:05] <jair> adaptr: you did not answered me the question if I am using a last century configuration mbox :(
[22:09:25] <heikki2> i don't see why mbox is last century
[22:09:29] <jair> arooni: do you have an static ip, dns set up?
[22:09:37] <arooni> jair, yes for dns and static ip
[22:09:41] <arooni> now i want to set up appropriate mx records
[22:09:48] <jair> heikki2: that is what adaptr said
[22:09:50] <jair> :(
[22:10:11] <heikki2> i'm using mbox too, but with virtual aliases
[22:10:57] <moggie2> mbox has some technical limitations. maildir is a superior mail storage format.
[22:11:20] <arooni> i have one MX record setup:   0  	clamilpro.com  	mail2.clmailpro.com ... if i want mail to come from clmailpro.com .... do i need to change this?
[22:11:24] <heikki2> what kind of limitations? other than subdirs?
[22:11:32] <arooni> right now, could mail be sent from mail2.clmailpro.com ?
[22:11:41] <adaptr> heikki2: speed ?
[22:11:50] <heikki2> yea that
[22:11:55] <adaptr> arooni: MX records have nothing to do with sending mail
[22:12:04] <arooni> adaptr, only receiving it right?
[22:12:12] <heikki2> yea
[22:12:12] <adaptr> that would be the obvious remaining choice
[22:12:13] <moggie2> not true
[22:12:22] <jair> mbox vs maildir
[22:12:33] <moggie2> if a server sending mail cannot resolve an MX record, it doesn't know where to send the email.
[22:12:41] <adaptr> moggie2: stop bitching smartarsely
[22:12:43] <arooni> adaptr, heh ;p  what do i need to do to be able to receive emails correctly?  setup 0 priority mapping to clmailpro.com ?
[22:12:54] <adaptr> YOUR MX records have nothing to do with YOU sending mail... happy ?
[22:13:13] <adaptr> arooni: you already have that
[22:13:23] <lunaphyte> well, that not necessarily *entirely* true.
[22:13:27] <lunaphyte> *that's
[22:13:27] <moggie2> since when is ensuring technical accuracy bitching?
[22:13:28] <adaptr> arooni: that line is useless - retrieve actual DNS information from somewhere
[22:13:44] <adaptr> dig clmailpro.com mx
[22:13:52] <heikki2> +short
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[22:14:03] <adaptr> if it returns your host, it's set up
[22:14:14] <heikki2> dig +short clmailpro.com mx
[22:14:26] <arooni> no results ;  not set up
[22:14:28] <heikki2> and add : @dns-server
[22:14:34] <lunaphyte> whatever hostname is returned must also resolve to the address of the computer running postfix too, of course.
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[22:14:38] <heikki2> if it hasn't updated yet
[22:14:42] <jair> hmm I think that what he should do is follow this tutorial o he can get the system ready: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5
[22:14:42] <adaptr> +short ? nonsense
[22:14:46] <jair> arooni: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5
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[22:15:00] <heikki2> adaptr: why nonsense? without it, it will give me lots of useless lines
[22:15:01] <jair> and make sure that you have dns, static ip, and mx record configured
[22:15:19] <arooni> jair, there is no MX record stuff there
[22:15:22] <jair> heikki2: so what I am using is mbox? or mail dir?
[22:15:41] <heikki2> jair: mbox, but there is no need to be ashamed of that ;)
[22:15:49] <jair> arooni: nope, the mx record is configured on your dns
[22:16:11] <jair> heikki2: I guess I will have to check the pros and cons
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[22:16:23] <moggie2> might want to consider switching to maildir sometime though
[22:16:48] <heikki2> too much work to switch from mbox to maildir :>
[22:16:50] <arooni> how do i setup a MX record so that all mail sent to clmailpro.com gets sent to a specific IP address?
[22:16:56] <moggie2> not really, it's quite easy
[22:17:28] <heikki2> arooni: you have domaincontrol.com, right? go there and set up one MX-record
[22:17:34] <jair> moggie2: do you have a web site, tutorial how to?
[22:17:42] <moggie2> dovecot.org
[22:17:48] <moggie2> oooodles and oodles of info on there
[22:17:52] <jair> arooni: how are you doing resolution? do you have your own dns server?
[22:18:05] <heikki2> oh, domaincontrol.com is not working :>
[22:18:07] <jair> moggie2: alright
[22:18:07] <arooni> jair, no godaddy
[22:18:20] <jair> ok
[22:18:21] <heikki2> has no A-record :D
[22:18:36] <jair> then in the godaddy page you should have the option to create an mx record
[22:18:42] <jair> hmm
[22:19:03] <jair> or you can do what I do, I use zoneedit.com to configure the a record and also the mx record
[22:19:17] <jair> otherwise I will need to get an static ip and configure my own dns server
[22:19:20] <heikki2> or build your own dns server like i did ;)
[22:19:32] <jair> but at this point I do not want to get an static ip :)
[22:19:49] <jair> heikki2: but you have static ip right?
[22:19:54] <heikki2> yes
[22:19:54] <adaptr> jair: you won't get your own nameserver
[22:20:07] <adaptr> it's not very useful unless you have a LOT of hosts
[22:20:22] <moggie2> for just one simple domain, godaddy will work fine.
[22:20:29] <heikki2> true
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[22:20:57] <jair> ok
[22:21:00] <jair> then it is fine
[22:22:09] <jair> i have go daddy as well but I don't have static ip
[22:22:19] <jair> I have the domain name and I use dynamic ip
[22:22:38] <gk> hello, how can I silently drop mail with given From header address coming from authenticated SMTP user? (so that user thinks the mail is going to be delivered but it lands in /dev/null instead)
[22:22:42] <jair> but i have a program called ddsclient updating the external ip with zoneedit.com
[22:22:42] <adaptr> then no-ip or dyndns would have been a better bet
[22:22:54] <adaptr> gk: don't do that
[22:23:01] <gk> adaptr: why?
[22:23:11] <jair> adaptr: zoneedit.com works very nice
[22:23:13] <adaptr> because it subverts the mail process
[22:23:28] <adaptr> you should always tell clients what happens to the mail they send
[22:23:51] <adaptr> if you elect not to do this, then all the debugging fuckups in the world are yours - for free!
[22:24:35] <gk> adaptr: I have one very very very annoing spammer who keeps abusing our free email account system to send spam and he keeps on creating new accounts
[22:25:00] <gk> adaptr: so the only sane way for him to stop is to let him think everything is ok while it is not
[22:25:22] <gk> adaptr: that is before I will find his real life address and make him sorry for spamming ;)
[22:25:35] <adaptr> actually, that doesn't stop spammers at all
[22:25:47] <heikki2> i was just saying the same
[22:26:00] <adaptr> use a proper RBL
[22:26:10] <adaptr> most domestic IPs will not pass these
[22:26:21] <adaptr> ergo neitehr will about 90% of the world's spammers
[22:26:39] <adaptr> an MTA without RBL is an accident waiting to happen, really
[22:26:43] <gk> adaptr: huh? he creates account in my system and then sends spam from my system as a authenticated user...
[22:27:08] <adaptr> so how do you know this is the same person ?
[22:27:23] <adaptr> block his IP, alert his ISP, use decent captchas
[22:27:33] <adaptr> limit sending to 1 per hour
[22:28:02] <heikki2> gk: creates an account to your system?
[22:28:22] <gk> adaptr: dynamic IP, stupid ISP, captchas alreay there, I hand-banned at least a 100 of his accounts and he creates new by hand
[22:28:24] <heikki2> do you allow anyone to create accounts?
[22:28:49] <heikki2> hmm
[22:28:56] <gk> heikki2: yes, this is small comunity web site with many normal users and one stupid looser
[22:29:27] <gk> and his spam is always the same with same From address
[22:30:08] <gk> so the best thing to do seems to be to detect it and kill silently
[22:31:02] <gk> hoping he will stop annoying me and move somewhere else or maybe he won't notice his spam lands in /dev/null and he will keep on "spamming"
[22:31:27] <jair> heikki2: alright now that everything looks like working, why when I log in as jair to the system i keep getting the message, "you have mail"
[22:31:55] <jair> heikki2: I already open the mail, with vim /var/mail/jair, so when this will stop?
[22:32:09] <heikki2> jair: "you have mail" means you have some old mail there. "You have new mail" means you have new mail ;)
[22:32:45] <jair> heikki2: I see
[22:33:44] <jair> heikki2: now I can send emails from telnet, using my email server, I can also received emails on my postfix server. when do i need a pop3 then? or the program cyrus or pop3 something?
[22:34:02] <jair> heikki2: if I want to configure a client email software?
[22:35:07] <jair> heikki2: let's say i want to start using thunderbird on my desktop computer but using my postfix as email server, and send and received emails using the account "jair".
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[22:37:11] <heikki2> jair: i suggest dovecot for pop3 / imap
[22:37:25] <heikki2> you need pop3 or imap when using a mail client such as thunderbird
[22:37:30] <heikki2> to read mail
[22:37:31] <jair> ok
[22:37:37] <jair> right right
[22:37:59] <heikki2> if you read from a remote machine
[22:38:25] <jair> so I understand the imap = all emails are move to one place. pop3 emails are located on the client computer or in the server and client pc right?
[22:38:47] <heikki2> this is the default, yes, but can be configured
[22:38:57] <heikki2> from the mail client
[22:38:58] <jair> let's say i want to read and send emails from a remote machine or my iphone :) all I need is install pop3 package right
[22:39:07] <jair> right right
[22:39:22] <jair> I want to do, pop3 and have messages in the server and client
[22:39:30] <heikki2> some pop3 or imap server program, yes
[22:39:35] <jair> do you have any suggestions where i can get info to accomplish this
[22:39:59] <heikki2> depends on the client you use.. in thunderbird there is a setting for this somewhere
[22:40:13] <jair> hmm
[22:40:16] <heikki2> why do you want to use pop3?
[22:40:17] <jair> I think i know that
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[22:40:37] <jair> pop3, because I do not want to have all the messages only in one place
[22:40:52] <heikki2> well, that is configurable too ;)
[22:41:09] <heikki2> you can have local copies of imap folders in thunderbird for example :)
[22:41:10] <jair> imap I can see the messages from different places but they are stored in one server only
[22:41:27] <heikki2> yes, by default
[22:41:27] <jair> I see
[22:41:31] <jair> I see
[22:41:49] <jair> is this the maildir thing => http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5
[22:42:20] <jair> heikki2: please check at the end of the tutorial: corier-imap or curier-pop3
[22:43:04] <arooni> ok my friends;  i got postfix installed;  and also got postfixadmin installed.... what else must i do to be able to send emails?
[22:43:15] <heikki2> it's courier
[22:43:17] <heikki2> isn't it
[22:43:24] <jair> yes
[22:43:45] <heikki2> but you can have both installed at the same time
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[22:44:51] <heikki2> and yes, that configuration has maildir instead of mbox
[22:45:29] <jair> heikki2: so then it is not that hard
[22:45:50] <jair> heikki2: I think i will try doing that then
[22:46:05] <heikki2> not the configuration, but to move from an already-in-use mbox system to maildir
[22:46:19] <heikki2> if you have lots of mboxes
[22:46:31] <jair> I see
[22:46:32] <heikki2> or, i don't know because i haven't tried that :>
[22:46:39] <jair> ohhh I see
[22:46:48] <heikki2> i'm planning to try that
[22:46:56] <jair> alright let me save the configurations on my postfix the way they are and i will give it a try
[22:47:00] <jair> :)
[22:47:23] <jair> I am doing all this learning on a virtual machine so i will create an snapshot and then try
[22:47:32] <heikki2> ok :)
[22:47:40] <jair> if it does not work I will revert and have my email server still working :)
[22:47:47] <heikki2> :)
[22:47:48] <jair> heikki2: thank you so much
[22:47:55] <jair> I will be back
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[22:49:23] <vivia> lol, so true
[22:49:39] <heikki2> :)
[22:51:01] <adaptr> watch out, he vill be bakc
[22:51:22] <jair> hey I am still reading :(
[22:51:47] * jair thinks that adaptr can sometimes be little smart@55
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[22:52:08] <vivia> jair: what 55?
[22:52:35] <vivia> alright. note to self: should never interpret @ as "at" by default :$
[22:52:36] <adaptr> jair: I'm not little by any stretch of the imagination, trust me on this one
[22:52:51] <adaptr> my @r53 is humongous
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[22:59:32] <arooni> i have these settings in my rails app.  how do i change this up to use my postfix server?  ActionMailer::Base.smtp_settings = {:address  => "75.127.96.177", :port  => 25,   :user_name  => ".com",:password  => "ddd", :authentication  => :plain}.  app + postfix are on same ip.  i'm also confused at how i can create different email addresses on my postfix server from which to send emails from.  and what username/pass are.
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[23:01:00] <adaptr> username .com ?
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[23:01:24] <adaptr> what is your reason for using SMTP at all ?
[23:01:53] <arooni> how do i check email that has been sent to a given user account? (from postfix)
[23:01:53] <adaptr> quite apart from using SASL from a local machine, which is fairly silly
[23:01:58] <arooni> adaptr, no reason to use smtp
[23:02:00] <adaptr> define "check"
[23:02:07] <arooni> adaptr, its just what my app is currently using
[23:02:33] <arooni> well let me hold off on that for now
[23:02:38] <arooni> first i want to be able to send emails
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[23:03:13] <arooni> so i've got postfixadmin installed;  and i'm trying to configure postfix using that admin or somehow to:  create different email addresses that can be used to send email from
[23:03:39] <arooni> lets start out with that;  is setting up a new mailbox + a few aliases the way to do this?
[23:04:17] <adaptr> no
[23:04:27] <adaptr> postfixadmin *requires* you to configure postfix a certain way
[23:04:36] <adaptr> you need to set that up first
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[23:05:15] <arooni> adaptr, i followed their install instructions
[23:05:22] <adaptr> then, IME, postfixadmin doesn't do local users, it only doesn virtual domains
[23:05:45] <adaptr> so even if you only have one local domain, set it up as a virtual domain anyway, and then use pfa to admin that
[23:05:51] <adaptr> for anything else it's a PITA
[23:06:14] <adaptr> did I already mention editing /etc/aliases by hand as THE easiest method ?
[23:06:35] <arooni> adaptr, you absolutely did; but i cant expect my client to do that for himself
[23:06:38] <arooni> cuz he's weak sauce
[23:06:48] <arooni> even weaker than me
[23:06:50] <adaptr> so script it
[23:07:10] <jair> adaptr: ok I followed your advice and configured postfix with courier pop3 to use maildir instead mailbox. (configuration obsolete) http://paste.debian.net/20541/
[23:07:15] <adaptr> provide him with an email account tha only he may use, and set up a system so that he can email new aliases to your box
[23:07:31] <adaptr> wouldn't need more than 5~10 lines of bash
[23:08:14] <jair> adaptr: now I guess all i need to do is open the port 995 on my firewall, install an email client (thunderbird) and test
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[23:14:09] <arooni> how do i configure postfix to forward all emails sent to all accounts to a gmail address?
[23:16:01] <adaptr> by using a relay
[23:16:09] <adaptr> but gmail will not allow you to do this
[23:16:50] <jair> adaptr: did you get upset with me :(
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[23:18:49] <adaptr> not at all
[23:19:02] <adaptr> just don't treat this channel as your personal how-to
[23:19:13] <jair> ohh ok
[23:19:14] <adaptr> go out and figure things out on your own, you'll actually learn a thing or two
[23:19:22] <jair> :)
[23:19:24] <jair> ok
[23:19:26] <jair> thank you sir
[23:19:32] <adaptr> no problem
[23:19:47] <jair> there will be others like me that can help the newbies if they know the answers.
[23:20:11] <adaptr> of course, or we'd chase you out completely :)
[23:20:13] <xpoint> adaptr, and see possitive to that
[23:20:53] <jair> but thank you guys seriously
[23:20:55] <jair> :)
[23:21:09] <jair> I think i will keep looking on google see if I can test the maildir configuration
[23:21:40] <adaptr> what do you need to test about it ?
[23:21:49] <adaptr> send yourself some mail
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[23:21:55] <adaptr> install mail(x) if it's not already
[23:22:15] <adaptr> mail jair -s Test \n testing \n . \n
[23:22:36] <jair> I will try using a remote laptop configure an email client with smtp and pop3
[23:22:41] <jair> then send some emails
[23:22:46] <jair> :)
[23:23:03] <adaptr> I just told you that's completely unnecessary
[23:23:12] <jair> also I will try again to received emails to see if they go somewhere else or to the same "/var/mail/jair"
[23:23:16] <adaptr> everything there is to test about mail delivery you have right there
[23:23:30] <jair> ok ok
[23:23:37] <jair> so all I need is install mailx
[23:23:38] <adaptr> a remote box will merely allow you to test your rulesets and routing/relaying
[23:23:46] <jair> because I do not have it installed :(
[23:23:56] <jair> mail:~# mailx
[23:23:56] <adaptr> but if everything doesn't check out locally then don't bother testing it remotely
[23:24:29] <jair> ok
[23:24:37] <jair> let me install that package
[23:25:04] <jair> mailx - A simple mail user agent <= that one right
[23:25:17] <jair> then do this: mail jair -s Test \n testing \n . \n
[23:25:44] <jair> and then look at the tail -f /var/log/mail.log
[23:26:08] <jair> adaptr: does this sound ok?
[23:26:25] <xpoint> sendmail -f me recipient at microsoft dot com < body.eml
[23:27:09] <jair> xpoint: is this another kind of test?
[23:27:18] <adaptr> well, yes, you don't *need* mailx, but it's certainly easier to use
[23:27:33] <jair> adaptr: I have sendmail though
[23:27:39] <xpoint> jair, just a spam mail :)
[23:27:48] <jair> the binary that comes with postfix
[23:27:56] <adaptr> yes
[23:28:05] <adaptr> but it's not as easy to use as mailx
[23:28:12] <adaptr> mailx just calls sendmail
[23:29:22] <jair> ok what about this: echo slipknot | /usr/sbin/sendmail -f jair jair && tail -f /var/log.mail.log?
[23:31:26] <adaptr> what about it ?
[23:31:34] <jair> I did that
[23:31:57] <jair> http://paste.debian.net/20546/
[23:32:08] <jair> I got that as result, it say delivered to maildir
[23:32:09] <adaptr> yes... and ?
[23:32:16] <adaptr> and is that good or bad ?
[23:32:17] <jair> will that test?
[23:32:25] <jair> good
[23:32:26] <jair> :)
[23:32:34] <adaptr> read the logs - seriously, you need to understand what you rmail logs are telling you
[23:32:43] <jair> ok
[23:32:44] <adaptr> nothing else is that important
[23:32:45] <jair> let me check
[23:32:49] <jair> ok
[23:33:41] <jair> it looks like it was a message send from jair locally to jair
[23:33:46] <jair> and was delivered
[23:33:49] <jair> to maildir
[23:34:18] <adaptr> login as jair to verify
[23:34:20] <jair> now it does not tells me where my maildir is, that is what i need to find now
[23:34:24] <jair> ok
[23:34:53] <jair> aha!
[23:34:59] <jair> I see it on my home directory
[23:35:16] <jair> cur  new  tmp :)
[23:35:19] <jair> nice stuff
[23:35:34] <adaptr> now set up a decent imap server
[23:35:41] <adaptr> I recommend dovecot
[23:35:47] <jair> hmm, that will take me sometime
[23:36:11] <jair> I will have to take a break otherwise my eyes will explote
[23:36:24] <jair> I need to take a shower and go to the gym I feel weak :P
[23:36:30] <jair> adaptr: Thank you very much
[23:36:39] <jair> adaptr: you rock
[23:37:12] <xpoint> postfix rooks to
[23:37:14] <adaptr> not at the moment, but thanks
[23:37:58] <jair> :P
[23:38:03] <jair> later guys
[23:38:06] <jair> thank you so much
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[23:38:38] <jair> of course thanks to everybody that makes postfix to exist :)
[23:39:27] <adaptr> pretty much just wietske
[23:39:59] <adaptr> *wietse, even my speling fails me now
[23:40:15] <adaptr> ach, it's all the same to a Frisian
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