[00:00:35] <ZenithDK> rob0: ok, and nothing stands out as being wrong?
[00:03:45] <ZenithDK> okay, I set evo to use "login" instead of "plain", and now it asks for a password, entering my password logs this, however: Oct 27 00:02:21 [postfix/smtpd] warning: SASL authentication problem: unknown password verifier
[00:03:49] <ZenithDK> Oct 27 00:02:21 [postfix/smtpd] warning: 0910ds3-abc.0.fullrate.dk[90.185.61.79]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: no mechanism available
[00:07:33] <Tabmow> ZenithDK: you haven't setup SASL auth... what are you using for auth for your clients?
[00:07:51] <Tabmow> What pop/imap server are you using?
[00:07:55] <Tabmow> with what auth backends?
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[00:08:09] <adaptr> #postfix recommends dovecot
[00:08:17] <rob0> SASL_README.html is highly recommended
[00:08:42] <ZenithDK> Tabmow: ok, thought I had from the main.cf, I am using dovecot and it has imaps enabled
[00:09:17] <ZenithDK> but is dovecot not just an IMAP server?
[00:09:33] <adaptr> no
[00:09:45] <ZenithDK> I am probably wrong, but thought dovecot only related to accessing mail, not sending it?
[00:09:46] <adaptr> it's also an IMAPS, POP3, POP3S, and authentication server
[00:10:00] <adaptr> and it's pretty fantastic
[00:10:17] <ZenithDK> ok, but I am using it anyway :)
[00:10:25] <adaptr> it's miles easier to set up for SASL than courier or cyrus or whatever
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[00:11:16] <ZenithDK> arh, then I probably need to use the "dovecot-sasl" compile flag for postfix then
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[00:11:48] <bahadunn> hi trying to setup sasl and getting this error SASL authentication problem: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: Permission denied
[00:11:54] <bahadunn> on centos
[00:11:56] <bahadunn> any ideas?
[00:12:36] <rob0> There is no such compile flag
[00:12:38] <ZenithDK> bahadunn: what does ls -l /etc/sasldb2 give you?
[00:12:48] <Tabmow> bahadunn: i have an idea, it looks like a permission issue as the error message suggests
[00:12:51] <ZenithDK> rob0: I'm on gentoo, there is here for that ebuild
[00:13:23] <rob0> postconf -a
[00:13:52] <bahadunn> yes it is working now that I changed to 644
[00:13:58] <bahadunn> was 640 permissions
[00:14:21] <bahadunn> is 644 safe for /etc/sasldb2?
[00:14:34] <rob0> probably not :)
[00:14:41] <ZenithDK> adaptr: do I need to do anything special to get postfix to work with dovecot sasl?
[00:14:41] <bahadunn> dang
[00:14:54] <bahadunn> so what to do?
[00:15:02] <rob0> Z, "postconf -a" says what?
[00:15:12] <adaptr> ZenithDK: there's a very simple and complete guide on the postfix site
[00:15:22] <adaptr> it's noticably shorter than the other SASL guides ;)
[00:15:23] <rob0> 23:09 < adaptr> #postfix recommends dovecot
[00:15:29] <rob0> 23:09 < rob0> SASL_README.html is highly recommended
[00:15:32] <ZenithDK> adaptr: thanks
[00:15:36] <adaptr> ah, yes, and START READING
[00:15:37] <rob0> That's what I meant to paste :)
[00:15:41] <adaptr> don't come back until you have
[00:15:44] <ZenithDK> rob0: will do ;) sorry for being thick
[00:15:57] <adaptr> rob0: no, you agreed with mine too, admittit!
[00:16:27] <ZenithDK> thanks to both of you, and good night
[00:16:47] <rob0> adaptr, yeah, I do agree
[00:17:01] <Tabmow> bahadunn: figure out what user your pop/imap server runs as and ammend permissions
[00:19:29] <bahadunn> Tabmow: okay I put permissions back the way they were and gave user postfix group permissions to read /etc/sasldb2
[00:19:40] <bahadunn> is that acceptable?
[00:20:19] <rob0> bah, sounds cleaner to me
[00:20:53] <bahadunn> yeah me too
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[01:00:05] <TGM> Hy
[01:00:24] <TGM> I finished setting up my mail server, domain, MX and everything, but got a little problem.
[01:01:12] <TGM> After I sended ~5 mails I started getting the fallowing warning messages:
[01:01:13] <TGM> B6ECB1F285: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com[209.191.88.239] refused to talk to me: 421 Message from (85.204.46.242) temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html
[01:01:43] <rob0> 242.46.204.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 85-204-46-242.etth.opensys.ro.
[01:01:46] <adaptr> and you did not read that link, obviously - why would you ?
[01:01:48] <rob0> !fcrdns
[01:01:48] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
[01:02:12] <TGM> I did fix the MX problem
[01:02:17] <TGM> type host -t mx spidernetromania.net
[01:02:36] <TGM> and I DID read the link
[01:02:49] <TGM> It's not like i'm gonna send a request to yahoo for that.
[01:03:02] <TGM> must be something I missconfigured.
[01:03:08] <adaptr> you think ?
[01:03:10] <rob0> sigh
[01:03:45] <TGM> well you're the experts, point me where to look, the yahoo link dosen't rly help
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[01:04:22] <adaptr> you need brain before you can even understand what we're saying, and you'v so far given no indication of even listening
[01:04:23] <rob0> I did.
[01:04:40] <rob0> Want me to repaste everything?
[01:04:47] <adaptr> oooo yes please!
[01:04:48] <lennard> nooooo
[01:05:08] <TGM> erm, ironic <_<
[01:05:17] <TGM> but not usefull
[01:05:37] <adaptr> what, you're physically incapable of scrolling up ?
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[01:06:10] <TGM> you figure that out on your own? :|
[01:06:13] <TGM> paste it
[01:06:23] <rob0> !tell tgm fcrdns
[01:06:55] <lunaphyte> knoba's been a bit broken lately.
[01:07:18] <rob0> I prefer the PM behavior of !tell.
[01:07:42] <rob0> Especially since I already got the factoid here in channel.
[01:08:03] <lunaphyte> !tell lunaphyte logs
[01:08:51] <tonok> !relayhost
[01:08:52] <knoba> tonok: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[01:09:01] <lunaphyte> oh, i see.  i guess it reverted after he was flapping the other day.
[01:09:46] <TGM> Thank you.
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[01:19:09] <TGM> according to this http://pastebin.ca/1237359 my FcDNS is correct, so there's nothing more I can do about it.
[01:21:24] <TGM> nvm that, I found the problem
[01:22:34] <rob0> well no, it's NOT correct according to the !fcrdns factoid. Also, a common strategy is to block or defer hosts with numeric hostname parts, so even if smtp_helo_name / myhostname was "85-204-46-242.etth.opensys.ro", you would have trouble.
[01:22:57] <adaptr> he found the problem!
[01:23:09] <rob0> but I was typing that before I saw it
[01:23:30] <rob0> easier to hit enter than to hold down the backspace key
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[01:28:55] <moqq> hey .. i have a dovecot/postfix setup .. anyone know how i can force all mail destined to root to be sent to a particular user instead?
[01:30:49] <adaptr> alias it
[01:30:56] <adaptr> as I already hinted
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[06:08:46] <jdv79> been a while since i had to touch this stuff.  just had a server fail.
[06:09:03] <jdv79> why would a mx 20 host be deferring mail until it could reach the mx 10 host?
[06:11:22] <jdv79> where's the deliver locally setting?
[06:13:16] <deface> thats the purpose of a backup mx
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[06:14:29] <jdv79> mydestination - ah ha
[06:14:45] <jdv79> well, the primary isn't gonna came back soon enough and the mail is piling up
[06:15:07] <riz0n> Hello, I need some assistance setting up postfix on Ubuntu. When I type sudo apt-get install postfix, I get an error: postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory
[06:15:19] <jdv79> i just want to let the secondary deliver locally since it has the mailboxes anyway
[06:15:49] <jdv79> riz0n: sounds like a distro issue.  not a problem with postfix per se.
[06:16:06] <jdv79> #ubuntu might help or #debian
[06:16:22] <deface> riz0n: did you install it already, then delete the folder manually by chance ?
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[06:17:15] <riz0n> deface: yes, it was installed, and some configuration changes had been made by a previous admin but it never got completely installed.. Postfix was removed by apt-get remove postfix and then the /etc/postfix folder was cleared out and then we tried to reinstall it using apt-get install postfix..
[06:18:36] <riz0n> Basically I wanted to start over fresh with postfix
[06:19:19] <deface> ahh
[06:19:43] <deface> apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
[06:19:47] <deface> either or
[06:20:12] <deface> the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted
[06:20:39] <riz0n> I guess you can say I'm a linux n00b but so far everything I have set up on linux has went very well.. Except for postfix ;)
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[06:28:23] <riz0n> well deface i have to give you great thanks
[06:28:30] <riz0n> that restored the missing file and postfix has started
[06:28:46] <deface> np
[06:29:13] <riz0n> at first it didn't work but i guess its because i had already reinstalled postfix, and the reinstall didn't do anything, but i uninstalled and then used the apt-get cmd you recommended, and sure enough, it fixed it
[06:29:30] <riz0n> now its time to try and figure out how to set up inboxes.. *sigh*
[06:33:54] <deface> yeah
[06:35:07] <riz0n> ok i got a fast question... i created a virtual file in /etc/postfix and put, for instance, webmaster: joe and then saved it, and edited main.cf and found the mydestination= line and added the other couple of domains that my server is hosting... then /etc/init.d/postfix restart.. should i be ready to rock and roll?
[06:35:23] <deface> !basic
[06:35:24] <knoba> deface: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[06:35:40] <deface> you'll need to postmap that file
[06:37:13] <riz0n> ok when i postmap the aliases file, it returns 4 warnings, saying the line is in key: value format, and then asks if its an alias file
[06:37:54] <deface> webmaster: joe
[06:37:57] <deface> one per line ?
[06:38:20] <deface> im assuming your setting default aliases ?
[06:38:25] <riz0n> yes
[06:38:25] <deface> do you not have an /etc/aliases file ?
[06:38:31] <deface> newaliases should map that
[06:38:44] <riz0n> thanks :)
[06:39:18] <riz0n> i was going to go all out and try to set this thing up to handle multiple accounts for multiple domains, but then i realized that i'm the only person that receives any email on the domains so i figured i'd just alias the accounts im interested in straight to my user account
[06:39:49] <deface> nice
[06:40:09] <riz0n> for instance, webmaster, admin, info, postmaster are all aliased to joe
[06:40:19] <deface> then run newaliases
[06:40:42] <riz0n> so any time i modify the aliases file i need to run newaliases afterwards
[06:41:14] <riz0n> after newaliases, is there any reason to postfix reload
[06:41:28] <deface> yessa
[06:41:39] <deface> and no on reload
[06:43:12] <riz0n> thanks
[06:43:27] <riz0n> looks like i got everything ready to go
[06:44:34] <riz0n> but for some reason when i send a test message to one of my aliases, get a permanent fatal error: Receipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[06:45:13] <deface> go google
[06:45:23] <deface> i cant hold your hand through everything .. wouldn't be fun now would it
[06:45:51] <riz0n> lol
[06:46:37] <riz0n> well i have googled aliases and i am pretty sure everything is set up properly in the aliases file...
[06:47:05] <deface> yeah, the aliases is probably correct, but i'd google : User unknown in local recipient table
[06:53:11] <riz0n> Well I figured it out
[06:53:54] <riz0n> in main.cf it was looking for aliases in hash:/etc/aliases so i had to change it to hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
[06:54:12] <riz0n> and then newaliases
[06:54:21] <riz0n> not rejecting my messages now :D
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[06:56:24] <riz0n> Windows Mail doesn't seem to like trying to send and receive messages with my mail server... but I guess that's not a postfix problem ;)
[06:56:41] <riz0n> Thanks so much for your help... at least I can get messages from the shell so all is well.
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[07:06:19] <deface> np
[07:06:31] <deface> you'll need to setup a pop3/imap server
[07:06:42] <deface> courier/dovecot
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[07:20:59] <riz0n> i think courier/dovecot exists on my server but hasn't been configured
[07:21:03] <riz0n> the ports for them are open
[07:22:15] <riz0n> at either rate i figured out that i could modify my aliases file and instead of having the aliases go to a local user, i was able to subsitute my gmail account, which is really what i want anyway
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[07:22:58] <riz0n> my real user id on linux is joe, i wonder if i can alias that account to my gmail account as well... i guess there's only one way to find out :
[07:22:59] <riz0n> :P
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[07:26:23] <riz0n> and it looks like the answer is no.
[07:26:42] <riz0n> the message didn't go to my gmail or to the local user account
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[07:53:33] <riz0n> nice
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[08:06:28] <cite> What on earth is a "Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service"? Don't tell me that's Exchange...
[08:07:36] <deface> yup
[08:07:59] <cite> I thought ppl don't do this anymore. Letting Exchange talk to the Internet...
[08:08:16] <deface> please, exchange is above and beyond anything linux has atm
[08:08:40] <deface> and dont even say zimbra
[08:09:52] <cite> I don't care how good/bad it is. Got more than 4k malware deliveris that night from that one IP.
[08:10:09] <cite> abuse@ bounces.
[08:10:39] <deface> well, you can't blame it on exchange; as much as the admin of the exchange server .. that goes for any email server
[08:10:57] <cite> I' well in the mood to blame it on both, actually.
[08:11:06] <deface> aight
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[08:15:08] <sysmonk> oh suuure exchange is better than postfix as a ESMTP server
[08:15:12] <sysmonk> tell that to my grandma
[08:17:44] <deface> sysmonks grandma: exchange is better than postfix as an esmtp server
[08:18:17] * deface looks for the direct push option in postfix
[08:18:36] <deface> hmm .. non existant
[08:18:59] <deface> oh there is imap, but that requires polling, on an interval
[08:19:28] <cite> sysmonk: I lol'd IRL :)
[08:19:48] <cite> deface: You might wan't to read  about IDLE.
[08:20:02] <deface> ?
[08:20:12] <cite> deface: Besides, pushing mails to clients using RPC calls is not part of ESMTP.
[08:20:35] <deface> just a feature .. right
[08:20:41] <cite> deface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP_IDLE
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[08:28:43] <sysmonk> deface: that's not ESMTP
[08:28:45] <sysmonk> that's imap
[08:28:58] <deface> whats imap?
[08:29:05] <sysmonk> deface: ...
[08:29:25] <deface> as in what are you referring to is imap
[08:29:26] <deface> lol
[08:29:30] <deface> not ' what is imap? '
[08:30:06] <sysmonk> deface: i'm talking about 'pushing mails'
[08:30:11] <sysmonk> it's not esmtp, it's imap, that's all
[08:30:15] <sysmonk> so it's not postfix problem
[08:30:46] <deface> never said it was postfix's problem
[08:30:55] <sysmonk> 10-27 09:19:27  * deface looks for the direct push option in postfix
[08:31:13] <sysmonk> atleast you searched for that function in postfix, not imap
[08:31:17] <deface> looking at it from a package perspective
[08:31:27] <sysmonk> postfix is not a package
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[08:31:55] <sysmonk> and, as cite said, it's a functionality of imap, so you should refer to your imap server
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[08:57:20] <roe> can I create a bcc_map for outgoing mail?
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[09:11:20] <sysmonk> roe: there's no such thing as outgoing mail, but you can create a bcc map based on recipient or sender
[09:11:24] <sysmonk> !recipient_bcc_maps
[09:11:24] <knoba> sysmonk: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[09:11:26] <sysmonk> !sender_bcc_maps
[09:11:27] <knoba> sysmonk: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[09:11:28] <sysmonk> roe: ^^
[09:11:54] <roe> yea I just found sender_bcc_maps
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[09:13:00] <roe> that added with a little maildrop will accomplish it perfectly
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[09:55:30] <anders_l> i got virtuals domains and local accounts on the box, how can i conf so the to= is the same as orig_to= ? need the right domain in that, for my spam mysql db...
[09:56:53] <anders_l> it rewrites orig_to=user at domain dot com to=user at dom dot com
[10:12:37] <milligan_> I'm using logrotate to rotate my mail.log file. However, after the file has been rotated, it seems that postfix is no longer logging to the file .. (I see data popping up in other logfiles, but not in mail.log). Any ideas why ?
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[10:14:04] <sysmonk> milligan_: you have to reload syslog after that
[10:14:21] <sysmonk> postfix logs to syslog, so you have  to tell syslog to re-open the file after moving it
[10:17:00] <milligan_> like, /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart ?
[10:18:09] <anders_l> milligan_:  add a postrotate in your logrotate conf for postfix...
[10:19:07] <anders_l> postrotate
[10:19:07] <anders_l>       /etc/init.d/syslog-ng reload >/dev/null
[10:19:07] <anders_l>    endscript
[10:19:15] <milligan_> Fixed it .. Thanks sysmonk .. and thanks for hint anders_l
[10:19:29] <milligan_> Yeah .. restart sysklogd after rotating.
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[10:41:36] <shane_in> I am trying to route mails to a particular domain from one of my serevr running qmail (using smtproutes) to another server running on postfix,  but when I send the mail, I get the error "Relay access denied" in the mailog..can anyone please guide me..
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[10:59:10] <samix> salaam
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[11:01:36] <samix> like there is a header_check and other such checks in the postfix main.cf file can i add a custom check, is there a doc to this effect
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[11:19:30] <stanman1> hi inhere
[11:20:08] <stanman1> how do i allow certain domains through postfix
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[11:57:35] <WoRsTeNBoY> hi, i'm moving my server, actually i'm changing vps, can i config postfix so it will relay mail for certain domains to the new mailserver ?
[11:57:58] <WoRsTeNBoY> then i'd change the dns allready for 1 domain, and if the old mailserver stil gets mail, it wil relay it
[11:59:35] <anders_l> WoRsTeNBoY: yes use transport_map
[12:00:24] <WoRsTeNBoY> hmm, i'm kind of doubting, since the vps also runs  php/mysql, should i instead search for a "relay" @ network level...
[12:00:49] <WoRsTeNBoY> not related to postfix but i guess many ppl here have expirience with this mather
[12:06:36] <adaptr> WoRsTeNBoY: if you change the MX record the old server WILL NOT get any more mail
[12:06:46] <WoRsTeNBoY> dns cache ?
[12:06:51] <adaptr> 24 hours at most
[12:07:03] <WoRsTeNBoY> or should i shutdown the old mailserver so it stays in queue
[12:07:26] <adaptr> if you want to imflict a 24-hour wait on your customers, you can do that
[12:07:36] <adaptr> more like 8-12 hours anyway
[12:07:45] <adaptr> if YOU control the domain you can shorten it more
[12:08:29] <sysmonk> adaptr: '24 hours at most' - yeah right
[12:08:30] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:08:30] <WoRsTeNBoY> i do control the mx records
[12:08:41] <adaptr> sysmonk: not ?
[12:08:50] <sysmonk> adaptr: 'at most' - no :)
[12:08:57] <sysmonk> i've seen people having huuuuuuuuuge ttl's
[12:09:13] <adaptr> that's their funeral, but let's presume for now that he knows what his own TTLs ae
[12:09:16] <adaptr> *ae
[12:09:18] <adaptr> damnit!
[12:09:19] <stanman1> how do i let logwatch send via postfix?
[12:09:20] <sysmonk> are
[12:09:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:09:33] <adaptr> stanman1: whu who what ?
[12:10:07] <stanman1> have just installed logwatch but it somehow doesn't use postfix to send the mail
[12:10:47] <WoRsTeNBoY> well, maybe i should use this technique
[12:10:49] <WoRsTeNBoY> http://howtoforge.net/port-forwarding-with-rinetd-on-debian-etch
[12:11:08] <WoRsTeNBoY> what are the opinions on that
[12:11:15] <WoRsTeNBoY> i can see only 1 disadvantage
[12:11:28] <WoRsTeNBoY> 2 servers eating traffic for everyone that has old dns cache
[12:11:37] <adaptr> stanman1: it will use mailx to send mail; what happens next is up to you
[12:11:45] <adaptr> s/mailx/sendmail/
[12:11:46] <WoRsTeNBoY> should work for smtp pop imap http and mysql i think
[12:12:14] <adaptr> WoRsTeNBoY: it's horribly complicated and error-prone for a forward that only needs to be in place for a few days
[12:12:22] <adaptr> forget about it, use the proper methods
[12:14:07] <WoRsTeNBoY> ow
[12:14:31] <WoRsTeNBoY> it seems to me only ppl with old dns data can have forwarding troubles?
[12:14:50] <WoRsTeNBoY> i'll be back in a few minutes, got to go eat (lunchbreak now ;))
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[13:14:53] <datruth> What document can I read to help me setup postfix only as a local delivery agent I already have postfix doing my mail/etc but i need it on my other boxes for reporting etc
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[13:29:40] <datruth> Any docs I can be pointed to for this?
[13:32:53] <adaptr> for local delivery only, you don't need postfix
[13:33:09] <adaptr> but see
[13:33:11] <adaptr> !local
[13:33:12] <knoba> adaptr: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.
[13:33:51] <datruth> hrmm
[13:34:01] <datruth> dont need postfix>
[13:34:03] <datruth> ?
[13:34:15] <datruth> What would I use sendmail?
[13:35:25] <adaptr> for instance
[13:35:49] <adaptr> and even if you install postfix, it will just use sendmail
[13:37:22] <xpoint> simple smtp comes to mind for lda only, google ssmtp
[13:40:09] <datruth> I just need email for local reporting like for nagios
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[13:41:59] <adaptr> yes, install ssmtp
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[13:42:17] <adaptr> it can do only two things: deliver locally or use a relay
[13:42:35] <adaptr> ideal for this
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[14:01:55] <joobie> guys i have an email with headers and all.. it's actually gone through a postfix server so it has all the other headers in there.. is there a way to reinject it back into the postfix queue for mail delivery?
[14:07:38] <adaptr> it may have headers, but it does not have an envelope
[14:07:44] <adaptr> you need to re-send it
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[14:13:19] <datruth> Hrmm
[14:13:57] <datruth> Well I just want the mta to beable to send mail to user at a dot box.on.my.domain for reporting
[14:14:21] <datruth> This can be done aswell?
[14:18:36] <datruth> adaptr: I will need to configure the main.cf and master.cf?
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[14:20:13] <adaptr> datruth: if you set up ssmtp to send mail to (whoever) at your dot postfix.domain VIA the postfix machine (both are settings in ssmtp's config), then yes, it will
[14:20:26] <adaptr> this is not a postfix issue
[14:21:08] <datruth> Hrmm so ssmtp is installed on the postfix box?
[14:21:56] <datruth> If so, on the postfix box it does mail fine, but my other boxes have no kind of mta installed & sendmail has been disabled
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[14:22:08] <adaptr> no, nobody said that
[14:22:19] <adaptr> install ssmtp on the *other* boxes
[14:22:27] <adaptr> point them to postfix as the mail relay
[14:22:41] <adaptr> and tell them to send mail to a specific address that postfix can deliver
[14:22:54] <adaptr> that's the 3rd time, now gimme $50
[14:23:08] <datruth> Ok that made more since
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[14:23:20] <datruth> thanks
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[14:28:53] <datruth> adaptr: ssmtp is all I'll need to install on the other boxes I can avoid the postfix install? and does sendmail need to be enabled for this?
[14:29:45] <adaptr> sendmail enabled ? meaning what ?
[14:30:11] <datruth> I have sendmail disabled on all my boxes
[14:30:21] <datruth> wasn't sure if this program would need that or not
[14:31:58] <adaptr> sigh
[14:32:15] <adaptr> perhaps read some fundamentals of SMTP before even trying to run an MTA ?
[14:37:21] <datruth> Sorry adaptr I'll read some more documents to try and figure out and accomplish what I want to do thanks
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[15:17:15] <Haris_> !smtpd_sasl_path
[15:17:17] <knoba> Haris_: Error: "smtpd_sasl_path" is not a valid command.
[15:19:27] <Haris_> !smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[15:19:27] <knoba> Haris_: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: The access restrictions that the Postfix smtpd(8) applies in the context of the SMTP RCPT TO command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features. These restrictions control relaying to external domains. Default is to relay only for client IP addresses in $mynetworks; see also !sasl if SMTP AUTH is needed.
[15:22:35] <Haris_> !alias_database
[15:22:36] <knoba> Haris_: "alias_database" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases for local(8) delivery that are updated with "newaliases" or with "sendmail -bi".
[15:22:56] <Haris_> !smtpd_sender_login_maps
[15:22:57] <knoba> Haris_: "smtpd_sender_login_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup table with the SASL login names that own sender (MAIL FROM) addresses.
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[15:41:26] <Haris_> !check_relay_domains
[15:41:27] <knoba> Haris_: Error: "check_relay_domains" is not a valid command.
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[16:10:39] <MatBoy> anyone aware of a very simple postfix admin script in PHP ?
[16:10:46] <MatBoy> so, codewise quite simple :)
[16:11:28] <adaptr> postfixadmin ?
[16:12:19] <MatBoy> adaptr: yes I'm aware of that but I think it's too huge already, I need something I can integrate in my own cod
[16:12:22] <MatBoy> e*code
[16:12:25] <MatBoy> *code
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[16:41:01] <ktne> hello
[16:41:07] <ktne> is there any all-in-one email server?
[16:41:33] <ktne> all this email server stuff appears to be over my head, all i want is some intranet email boxes
[16:43:06] <Dominian> zimbra
[16:43:49] <ktne> is zimbra simple to install and configure?
[16:45:39] <ktne> this thing is 300mb!?
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[16:50:41] <Dominian> ktne: I've never usd it
[16:50:49] <Dominian> It was just something off the top of my head
[16:51:00] <ktne> :)
[16:51:06] <Dominian> I always do my own installs if I can.
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[16:56:42] <ktne> the problem is that this is too complicated, i have used a simple one-click-install mail server called mercury/32 for windows before, but now i've moved to ubuntu
[16:59:14] <Dominian> hehe
[16:59:17] <Dominian> mercury
[16:59:24] <ktne> why hehe? :)
[16:59:26] <Jense> maybe kolab
[16:59:26] <Dominian> that thing offers SMTP
[16:59:32] <Dominian> but really isn't a mail server imho :P
[17:01:26] <ktne> why isn't it a real mail server?
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[17:02:35] <ktne> well, i need something similar, is there such a thing?
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[17:04:31] <MatBoy> zimbra is not as kewl as it looks
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[17:06:34] <cpm> No, it isn't. It almost is, but it misses.
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[17:30:24] <eztom> hey guys
[17:30:31] <eztom> quick question about postfix transport maps
[17:31:22] <eztom> i made changes to my map to force a nexthop for a certain domain, ran postmap transport, etc but mail for ea.com in the deferred queue is not being delivered over the new next hop
[17:31:53] <eztom> do i have to run it thru transport again somehow?  i am using postqueue -f and postqueue -s to flush the domain
[17:34:39] <Dominian> You may have to force the messages to requeue
[17:34:43] <Dominian> man postsuper
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[17:37:45] <eztom> it does not seem that postsuper -r causes mail to re-eval transport maps
[17:38:09] <Dominian> postsuper -r ALL ?
[17:38:16] * Dominian doesn't remember complete syntax off hand.
[17:38:24] <Dominian> either that or the transport maps are still having issues
[17:39:02] <eztom> it is just one line:  @domain.com    smtp:host.name.com
[17:39:08] <eztom> and i ran postmap on it
[17:39:23] <MatBoy> do I always need to apply the quota patch for postfix ?
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[18:07:14] <TGM> hy again
[18:08:17] <TGM> I finished my FCrDNS and now it looks like host -t mx 85.204.46.242
[18:08:18] <TGM> 242.46.204.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail.spidernetromania.net. But my mail still gets send as spam. Any ideeas?
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[18:17:07] <BBishop> TGM, do you have rdns and a normal a entry
[18:17:19] <BBishop> try checking the dnsbl lists for possible problems
[18:17:34] <BBishop> also .. check why do you get marked as spam on the remote side ..
[18:17:59] <BBishop> ( you could try emailing the sysadmin and ask him on what rules does he mark stuff as spam )
[18:18:34] <BBishop> MatBoy, yeah.... 'till it'll become mainstream
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[18:19:40] <TGM> Well i'm the sysadmin :)
[18:19:55] <TGM> But on yahoo, duno.
[18:19:59] <BBishop> not you silly ..the sysadmin of the remote email server :)
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[18:20:11] <BBishop> ow .. dunno about yahoo
[18:20:17] <BBishop> I guess you could google more about it
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[18:20:38] <TGM> I allready did, alot of data, nothing usefull tough.
[18:20:59] <BBishop> mine works just fine ..
[18:21:48] <TGM> DNSBL is empty
[18:22:23] <TGM> I think it has something to do with headers, since FCrDNS is no longer a issue.
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[18:22:59] <TGM> what do you use to send mails?
[18:23:25] <TGM> not server, client (php, webmin etc.)
[18:26:51] <BBishop> openwebmail
[18:27:03] <BBishop> but squirrelmail mostly
[18:27:18] <BBishop> or outlook .. thunderbird ..
[18:29:05] <TGM> do you use a SPF Record ?
[18:29:14] <BBishop> yeah .. I think I have one
[18:30:00] <TGM> can you PM me? my DCC is not working
[18:30:09] <BBishop> we can tak here.
[18:30:12] <BBishop> tak*
[18:30:17] <BBishop> talk*
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[18:30:20] <BBishop> damn keyboard
[18:30:33] <TGM> Can you paste me your headers?
[18:30:58] <BBishop> of a received mail from my mail server ?
[18:31:06] <TGM> yes
[18:31:16] <BBishop> sure, one sec.
[18:32:57] <BBishop> TGM, http://rafb.net/p/cY6OV149.html
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[18:33:59] <Tadas2> Hi
[18:35:11] <Tadas2> I want to have multiple domain web server (virtual mail hosting). What domain name I need to specify in /etc/conf.d/hostname and /etc/hosts to make my mail server work correctly?
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[18:35:53] <BBishop> your main one !
[18:36:26] <Tadas2> There are only few hosts so it is hard to select "main"
[18:36:41] <Tadas2> So I can have "main" as anyone host?
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[18:43:24] <r_d> Hi, I have a problem receiving mail from Norman.no's hosted antivirus service. Their smtp-server get's rejected by my postfix. Has anyone seen this?
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[18:49:19] <BBishop> Tadas2, yeah .. guess so :)
[18:49:23] <datruth> For postfixadmin in the config_inc.php file I use to use the database type mysqli has this changed?
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[19:14:59] <adaptr> guess what we don't support here ?
[19:15:51] <datruth> Nvm fixed it
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[19:16:00] <datruth> needed to reinstall the mysqli module
[19:16:21] <datruth> Now back to ssmtp / postfix
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[19:35:00] <neuro_damage> what line of configuration do I need to add to ONLY allow sending of mail from localhost?
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[19:41:07] <Haris_> mynetworks = localhost
[19:41:14] <lunaphyte_> !inet_interfaces
[19:41:15] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
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[20:09:23] <MatBoy> BBishop: will it become mainstream in the postfix package ot the distro version ?
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[20:13:02] <rob0> What, the virtual quota patch? It won't be adopted in Postfix.
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[20:13:17] <BBishop> well .. if it gets adopted by postfix .. then it will get into the distros too ..
[20:13:43] <BBishop> if not .. they it won't .. unless there's some funky distro ( like gentoo ) who has support for this kind of stuff
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[20:17:44] <MatBoy> BBishop: mhh and why is there no quota thingy in postfix by default than ?
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[20:18:02] <MatBoy> that's actually kinda odd and not normal I think ?
[20:18:02] <bahadunn> any of you heard of "point click mail"?
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[20:18:15] <BBishop> MatBoy, ask the devels
[20:18:38] <MatBoy> BBishop: I thought bishops were good @ devving :D :P
[20:19:28] <BBishop> well .. I might be a devel .. but I'm nto a postfix devel !
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[20:24:47] <rob0> I'm sure you can Google the list to find Wietse's response many years ago when the virtual quota patch was announced. I suspect it's because quota is better handled in the mailstore. There's lots of ways to implement quotas without that patch.
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[20:25:40] <BBishop> still .. people use it .. so why not implement it .. it won't eat anybody :)
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[20:30:08] * cpm googles rob0
[20:31:53] <TGM> guys, anybody can help me determin why my mail is still considered spam? This are my headers http://pastebin.ca/1238043 I have FCrDNS.
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[20:43:59] <BBishop> what the heck is that FCrDNS ?!
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[20:44:32] <sysmonk> rdns ? or fcrdns ?
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[20:44:45] <BBishop> fcrdns
[20:44:50] <sysmonk> dunno
[20:44:55] <BBishop> rdns - reverse dns .. right !?
[20:44:59] <sysmonk> FuCking reverse dns ?
[20:44:59] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:45:21] <BBishop> TGM, did you try sending a mail that has return-path = from ?
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[20:45:33] <gencha_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS
[20:46:57] <sysmonk> gencha_: i wouldn't even think of creating a rdns which doesn't match with a hostname ;)
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[20:49:00] <TGM> RDNS
[20:53:45] <gencha_> good point :)
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[21:07:41] <TGM> can on guys, anybody?
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[21:11:15] <rhousand> Where should I look for the process to have may ip address allowed for aol and hotmail? It seem that the are blocking mail from our local smtp server.
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[21:31:01] <seekwill> rhousand: Relay through your ISP's relay
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[21:35:58] <dMaggot> hello, first of all, is there any postfix tool to check what are the connections postfix is currently issuing or has open??
[21:36:09] <bahadunn> rhousand: or get a static ip
[21:36:37] <cite> dMaggot: You can use netstat and/or losf to inspect established connections.
[21:36:40] <bahadunn> dMaggot: netstat?
[21:37:03] <bahadunn> cite: you mean lsof?
[21:37:15] <dMaggot> k, thanks, just wanted to make sure postfix didn't have a tool for that specific job
[21:37:16] <cite> bahadunn: Common typo :)
[21:37:28] <bahadunn> cite: just making sure
[21:37:42] <bahadunn> cite: thought maybe there was some command I had not learned yet
[21:37:49] <cite> dMaggot: You can always write a parser for Postfix's log files. Each connection is easily represented by a determinstic finite automaton.
[21:37:51] <dMaggot> second, postfix seems to be sending e-mails at a very slow pace from one of our servers
[21:38:15] <cite> Ok, make taht non-determnistic.
[21:38:17] <dMaggot> the active mailq is at top
[21:38:26] <dMaggot> 20000 I mean
[21:38:56] <dMaggot> is it normal for postfix to slow down when it's onder limit conditions??
[21:38:59] <cite> dMaggot: Did you read http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html and actually apply the hints given there?
[21:40:08] <dMaggot> yes, I went through that, and actually all my e-mails are going to yahoo, but that's how it should be
[21:40:29] <dMaggot> I tried to follow the topic on the mailing list but the topic seems gone
[21:41:08] <dMaggot> I'm takin about this link http://groups.google.com/groups?th=636626c645f5bbde on the webpage
[21:41:11] <cite> Well, if you have 20k messages and more, all going to one destination, and that destination is slow, there is not much you can do.
[21:41:42] <dMaggot> cite: yeah, that I guessed, Yahoo may be slowing our connections on purpose
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[21:42:19] <haroldp> hullo
[21:42:26] <bahadunn> howdy
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[21:42:47] <haroldp> anyone know how to get off hotmail/windows live's shitlist?
[21:43:48] <seekwill> Stop sending spam
[21:43:56] <haroldp> they are rejecting messages from my server today.  the reject message mentions, http://postmaster.live.com/.  But i just can't find anything useful, like an rbl removal request there.
[21:44:02] <seekwill> Hotmail has a postmaster...
[21:45:22] <dMaggot> http://postmaster.live.com/Troubleshooting.aspx
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[21:45:55] <haroldp> yeah.  there is nothing that applies there.
[21:45:59] <seekwill> Really, should read everything
[21:46:05] <seekwill> I think it does :)
[21:46:14] <haroldp> Thanks.
[21:46:25] <seekwill> Are you on a residential IP?
[21:46:34] <seekwill> static or dynamic?
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[21:47:38] <haroldp> no. it is a real, actual mail server.
[21:48:00] <seekwill> That doesn't answer the question... one bit.
[21:48:17] <haroldp> "no" answered your first question
[21:48:28] <seekwill> I run a real actual mail server at home...
[21:48:38] <haroldp> I'll remember that.
[21:48:41] <seekwill> It even has "mail server" written on the front of it :)
[21:48:42] <haroldp> thanks.
[21:48:57] <seekwill> You don't want to answer the second part?
[21:49:17] <haroldp> This is a dedicated box, and a real hosting facility, that moves a ton of mail every day, and has done so for years.
[21:49:25] <cite> seekwill: That part with the text wirtten on the fron of your mail server really owns...
[21:49:38] <seekwill> haroldp: So what changed?
[21:49:55] <seekwill> cite: All the real servers are doin' it.
[21:49:56] <haroldp> hotmail/windows live added me to some shitlist they have
[21:50:07] <haroldp> and...that can happen.
[21:50:17] <haroldp> I can deal with that
[21:50:24] <seekwill> Anything can happen.
[21:50:32] <voxter> Ive got a ton of mail stuck in the maildrop queue that amavis re injected back in, is there a way to force these to flush?
[21:51:14] <haroldp> but I expect a grownup mail provider running a blacklist to maybe tell me why i was added, and give me some steps for getting off of it
[21:51:46] <chadmaynard> they didn't like your DNS information, something in your headers, or something you sent
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[21:51:53] <haroldp> heh
[21:52:58] <dMaggot> haroldp, file a complaint w the link I gave you
[21:54:10] <haroldp> I seem to be missing the complaint form/address
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[21:54:42] <haroldp> "contact support" that one?
[21:55:02] <dMaggot> If your e-mail complies with our service guidelines and you are still experiencing e-mail delivery problems that are not addressed in our FAQ, click here to contact support.
[21:55:15] <haroldp> yeah
[21:55:22] <haroldp> *required fields
[21:55:24] <haroldp> "Provide your Windows Live ID sign-in information or personal e-mail address"
[21:56:28] <haroldp> hey, that's not bad.
[21:56:55] <chadmaynard> haroldp: What weighs more, a ton of email or a ton of bricks?
[21:57:22] <haroldp> email has no weight.
[21:57:32] <haroldp> maybe if you printed it, they'd be the same
[21:57:32] <cite> That's a trick question!
[21:57:40] <cite> And a stupid one, too!
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[22:01:56] <seekwill> There's no such thing as a stupid question.
[22:02:29] <haroldp> "...just curious idiots"
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[22:03:24] <dMaggot> see ya guys
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[22:15:27] <voxter> I have amavis reinjecting scanned mail back into postfix (tcp port 10025) and it goes directly to the maildrop queue i imagine, and is just sitting there not delivering (locally)
[22:15:31] <voxter> how might i troubleshoot this?
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[22:18:16] <TGM> I got mail delivery problems, I can't send my mail into Inbox on yahoo, I fixed FCrDNS. Help?
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[22:27:55] <haroldp> I think I got on some symantec list, and hotmail was using that
[22:28:29] <haroldp> they removed me and hotmail started accepting again, right after that
[22:28:37] <seekwill> yay!
[22:28:55] <seekwill> TGM: Yahoo gives you a website to visit, and contact info
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[22:29:47] <haroldp> I can deal with getting on someone's blacklist once a year or two
[22:29:57] <bahadunn> what would you guys recommend for managing large mailing lists?
[22:29:59] <haroldp> but provide a sane way to get off
[22:30:05] <bahadunn> mailman do well with large lists in the millions?
[22:32:09] <seekwill> bahadunn: Contract with a company that specializes in that
[22:33:24] <seekwill> Unless it's a nonprofit type of thing... then PM me ;)
[22:35:57] <bahadunn> seekwill: what companies speciallize in that?
[22:36:14] <brewmaster> how can I create a sasldb2 file in debian lenny?  I don't seem to have saslpasswd2 anywhere...
[22:36:30] <seekwill> bahadunn: Lots of places. Depends on the type of mailing, etc.
[22:37:00] <bahadunn> brewmaster: you have sasl2-bin installed?
[22:37:14] <bahadunn> seekwill: would rather manage mailing lists ourselves to be honest
[22:37:28] <seekwill> bahadunn: ok
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[22:37:48] <bahadunn> can mailman not handle large lists?
[22:38:06] <seekwill> Ask them :)
[22:39:31] <bahadunn> seekwill: okay
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[22:43:11] <seekwill> It's not just the mailing list handling, but also the delivery. When you push a lot of mail like that, you show up more on ISPs radar. A professional services company usually have all that stuff in place to allow it to get through easily. You can also get stuff like Goodmail for better inbox delivery
[22:43:46] <Motoko-chan> Mailman can handle huge lists.
[22:44:18] <seekwill> There's always that "can" handle, and "efficiently handles" :)
[22:44:25] <Motoko-chan> But keep in mind that you need to be very careful and on top of things when you do it yourself.
[22:45:08] <brewmaster> bahadunn: thanks
[22:45:22] <brewmaster> bahadunn: what sould the permisssions of sasldb2 be?
[22:45:33] <brewmaster> i'm getting a permission denied error
[22:45:44] <brewmaster> when I try to send via smtp
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[22:47:22] <bahadunn> brewmaster: give postfix read permissions
[22:47:34] <bahadunn> brewmaster: so 640 on /etc/sasldb2
[22:47:43] <brewmaster> k
[22:47:46] <bahadunn> brewmaster: owner: root group owner: postfix
[22:47:54] <bahadunn> brewmaster: should work then I think
[22:49:29] <brewmaster> yep, works fine now
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[22:51:41] <brewmaster> now for receiving...  I can recieve e-mails from my LAN, but not from the outside world
[22:52:01] <brewmaster> i'm behind a router with ports 143 and 993 open
[22:53:35] <brewmaster> the only other area i can think of is my /etc/postfix/main.cf file
[22:55:12] <bahadunn> brewmaster: you did not open port 25 for mail to come in from the outside?
[22:55:32] <brewmaster> bahadunn: err, nope
[22:56:01] <bahadunn> brewmaster: would be good to allow port 25
[22:59:01] <voxter> hmm. pickup is going thru one message in my maildrop queue, then stopping.
[22:59:06] <brewmaster> bahadunn: okay, i'm getting closer...
[22:59:32] <brewmaster> bahadunn: so I try to send to myself from a gmail account
[22:59:40] <brewmaster> and I get a "connect to 127.0.0.1:60000: Connection refused" error
[22:59:43] <brewmaster> hrm
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[23:01:56] <voxter> wow. it was actually a message in the queue making pickup halt altogether
[23:04:05] <brewmaster> yikes, I thought I had installed postgrey
[23:04:27] <brewmaster> seems to be working
[23:04:35] <bahadunn> brewmaster: you have installed postgrey?
[23:04:40] <brewmaster> who knew a mail server was so hard?
[23:04:59] <bahadunn> mail servers are complex
[23:05:05] <brewmaster> bahadunn: i just did, and now I don't get that connect to 127.0.0.1:60000 error
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[23:23:12] <bahadunn> brewmaster: what is on 60000?
[23:23:30] <bahadunn> I am getting Recipient address rejected from one internal postfix server to another
[23:23:33] <bahadunn> any idea?
[23:24:09] <seekwill> It doesn't say why?
[23:24:58] <brewmaster> bahadunn: no idea
[23:25:21] <brewmaster> *must buy beer*
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[23:26:16] <seekwill> brewmaster: Buy??? Make it!
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[23:26:39] <brewmaster> seekwill: I do, my keg just tapped out recently
[23:26:46] <seekwill> :9
[23:26:53] <seekwill> :( Panic!
[23:26:57] <brewmaster> exactly
[23:27:28] <brewmaster> i don't mind buying: there's good beer here in quebec
[23:28:03] <brewmaster> a maudite should do the trick: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22/33
[23:28:12] <seekwill> heh
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[23:30:04] <bahadunn> seekwill: no
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[23:30:23] <nightf0x09> how do i set up mailq for postfix
[23:30:33] <bahadunn> well actually it does say
[23:31:09] <bahadunn> it says @domain.com is not found in the virtual_alias_map but it is setup
[23:31:17] <seekwill> :)
[23:31:24] <bahadunn> I have been receving mail to this address for years
[23:31:40] <seekwill> What changed?
[23:31:54] <bahadunn> well on the main server nothing changed
[23:32:07] <bahadunn> but now I want another machine to relay to the main server
[23:32:15] <bahadunn> which I did not setup before until today
[23:32:29] <bahadunn> and I have been having errors sending mail from the second server to the main server
[23:32:42] <bahadunn> the same error we are talking about
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[23:44:41] <rob0> What happens when nightf0x09 types "mailq"?
[23:45:01] <Dominian> heh
[23:45:05] <nightf0x09> solve it found mailq.postfix in /usr/bin
[23:45:09] <nightf0x09> thank you anyways
[23:45:20] <rob0> Ah, a packaging issue.
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[23:57:14] <voxter> any idea what would cause the pickup process to hang entirely on some messages? I've gone thru and deleted a lot of spam mails, then restarted postfix to get it to pick back up again
[23:57:43] <voxter> but there were a good 200 messages that were causing pickup to hang, after amavis dropped them in the maildrop queue





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