[00:00:00] <cite> Anyways - good night.
[00:00:01] <deface> relay to me means internet > server > relay > actual server
[00:00:09] <rob0> cite -- railroad
[00:00:12] <cite> war9407: Keep me posted on your experiences with gross.
[00:00:17] <cite> rob0: Hnghn?
[00:00:26] <rob0> Lay down on the tracks. ;)
[00:00:33] <cite> :-P
[00:00:34] <rob0> wearing dark red
[00:00:36] <cite> Laters.
[00:00:39] <rob0> bye
[00:00:54] <cite> rob0: Have fun with some super-stupid first-level-support blondies ;)
[00:00:56] <cite> *detach*
[00:01:14] <rob0> (At least it's not dot-NET)
[00:02:48] <war9407> cite: eh still reading the doc s;)
[00:02:49] <deface> errr, this makes no sense .. atleast to me
[00:02:57] <deface> rob0: help me!
[00:03:06] <deface> cite: go to bed since you broke me
[00:06:14] <deface> nm, got it
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[00:17:04] <TGM> hi
[00:17:27] <TGM> what do I have to change in php.ini so my mail woulnd not be threated as spam?
[00:20:53] <deface> nothing
[00:21:06] <deface> php just does what its told to do, it has no filtering capabilities
[00:21:22] <TGM> tnk for the info
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[00:25:17] <TGM> should i focus more on postfix conf or should i write the headers better?
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[00:27:15] <war9407> cite: this thing looks cool
[00:27:19] <war9407> cite: I am playing with it now
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[00:30:39] <avri210984> hi guy i have a problem with postfix can anyone here help me out?
[00:38:19] <avri210984> When I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[00:38:44] <avri210984> when it asks for a local address extention I tried + and anything else i could think of but it still gives me an error and it dosent create the mail.cf file :(
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[00:44:51] <TGM> What do I have to config so my mail would not be treated as spam?
[00:45:07] <war9407> TGM: what is the ip?
[00:45:12] <war9407> cite: this is really exciting
[00:45:21] <war9407> cite: I may turn off postgrey and my rbl+rhsbl checks in favor of this tool
[00:45:24] <TGM> spidernetromania.net
[00:45:50] <war9407> TGM: its not listed on any important rbls
[00:45:58] <war9407> $  rbc 85.204.46.242
[00:45:58] <war9407> 85.204.46.242 RBL filtered by l2.apews.dnsbl.uceprotect.net: Your recipients got bored with email. They preferred to guess what RBL zones at UCEPROTECT-Network might be or where to query, instead of reading http://www.uceprotect.net/en/index.php?m=6&s=11 (127.0.0.2)
[00:45:59] <war9407> just one
[00:46:07] <TGM> rbls?
[00:46:21] <war9407> $  rhblc2 spidernetromania.net
[00:46:23] <war9407> and none on rhsbls
[00:46:33] <TGM> what is that?
[00:46:39] <war9407> google -> RBL and RHSBL
[00:46:44] <TGM> k, brb
[00:46:46] <war9407> why do you think your mail is treated as spam?
[00:47:19] <TGM> wrong headers?
[00:47:43] <war9407> send me an email
[00:47:51] <TGM> adress?
[00:48:05] <war9407> see pm.
[00:49:16] <war9407> ok so
[00:49:22] <war9407> I see the problem
[00:49:37] <war9407> Received: from mail.spidernetromania.net (85-204-46-242.etth.opensys.ro
[00:49:37] <war9407>     [85.204.46.242])
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[00:49:48] <war9407> your forward and reverse dns do not match
[00:50:04] <TGM> ok...
[00:50:12] <TGM> How can I fix that?
[00:50:36] <war9407> talk to your ISP, your dns should be
[00:50:38] <deface> put in an rdns request to the isp that maintains the dns
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[00:50:42] <war9407> yep
[00:50:45] <rob0> !fcrdns
[00:50:46] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : $myhostname should resolve to your IP address, which in turn should resolve to $myhostname. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost .
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[00:52:25] <TGM> I have $myhostname resolveing to my ip address, but my DNS hosted somewhere else.
[00:52:30] <TGM> I think I know what I have to do
[00:52:32] <TGM> Thank you.
[00:52:35] <war9407> np.
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[01:05:51] <war9407> cite: where did you read about this program?
[01:05:58] <war9407> cite: I want your sources! ;-)
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[01:07:29] <TGM> war9407: Fixed the DNS problem, I still didn't escaped the spam problem.
[01:08:18] <war9407> TGM: dns takes 72hrs to propogate
[01:08:34] <TGM> mail.spidernetromania.net, it's sub dns, so instant
[01:08:46] <war9407> if you send me mail the IP should resolve to that domain
[01:08:51] <war9407> does it?
[01:08:58] <war9407> or does it resolve to the *.opensys.ro again
[01:09:43] <TGM> haven't tested yet
[01:10:05] <war9407> the IP you send from must resolve to the domain
[01:10:09] <war9407> $ host 85.204.46.242
[01:10:09] <war9407> 242.46.204.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 85-204-46-242.etth.opensys.ro.
[01:10:11] <war9407> doesnt look like it
[01:10:37] <TGM> so only my isp can help me with this?
[01:10:43] <deface> http://rafb.net/p/QfzOeC78.html
[01:10:56] <war9407> TGM: yep
[01:11:14] <war9407> and s deface shows your dns has problems too
[01:11:20] <war9407> *as
[01:11:38] <TGM> how the heck it should look like?
[01:11:52] <TGM>  85.204.46.242 spidernetromania.etth.opensys.ro ?
[01:12:25] <war9407> no
[01:12:33] <war9407> 85.204.46.242 should be spidernetromania.net
[01:12:38] <war9407> with an MX record of mail.spidernetromania.net
[01:12:47] <TGM> well it is
[01:12:53] <thumbs> your ISP is probably gonna tell you to go screw yourself
[01:12:57] <TGM> the MX record I don't think it's set
[01:13:06] <TGM> thumbs: yeap
[01:13:13] <war9407> TGM: its not and the mx record is set to the hostname itself
[01:13:15] <war9407> $ host -t mx 85.204.46.242
[01:13:15] <war9407> 242.46.204.85.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 85-204-46-242.etth.opensys.ro.
[01:13:43] <TGM> hmm
[01:13:44] <TGM> I see
[01:13:47] <TGM> ok 2 sec
[01:15:39] <war9407> m
[01:15:47] <avri210984> in anyone here able to help me with my problem?
[01:16:32] <war9407> avri210984: maybe ask in #debian
[01:16:53] <deface> avri210984: whats your problem?
[01:17:07] <deface> ahh, lemme read up
[01:17:11] <avri210984> ya its up there
[01:17:34] <avri210984> thanks for your time deface
[01:19:09] <deface> and if you dont make any modifications to the dpkg-reconfigure postfix .. does it create it ?
[01:19:12] <deface> what is the exact error ?
[01:19:44] <avri210984> nope
[01:19:54] <deface> ok, whats error, pastebin it
[01:19:57] <avri210984> i'll tell you exectly whats the error
[01:20:54] <avri210984> thasts what i write to start the config sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[01:21:05] <avri210984> then i select internet site
[01:21:15] <avri210984> and leave everything as defualt
[01:21:19] <deface> ok
[01:21:26] <avri210984>  Bad recipient delimiter
[01:21:29] 
[01:21:29] 
[01:21:47] <deface> keyboard is jacked up
[01:21:48] <avri210984> i entered the default
[01:21:52] <deface> what are you using for a terminal ?
[01:21:57] <avri210984> ssh
[01:21:59] <avri210984> putty
[01:22:06] <avri210984> from windows
[01:22:11] <deface> try shift +
[01:22:17] <avri210984> i did
[01:22:20] <avri210984> dosent work
[01:22:20] <deface> yeah, keys aren't being sent properly
[01:22:24] <deface> ok, copy and paste mine
[01:22:25] <deface> +
[01:22:44] <deface> ? !== +
[01:22:50] <deface> not the same character
[01:22:52] <avri210984> its stuck now
[01:23:10] <deface> whats stuck ?
[01:23:18] <deface> ctrl+z
[01:23:21] <deface> try dpkg again
[01:23:53] <avri210984> ctrl+z dosent do anything
[01:24:17] <deface> hmm
[01:24:27] <deface> im not sure what your doing, but your keys aren't being sent properly
[01:25:11] <avri210984> should i try from another computer?
[01:25:43] <deface> no, just fix your keys
[01:25:52] <avri210984> hehe how ?
[01:26:14] <avri210984> i tried the same thing on a ubuntu machine that i have in vmware
[01:26:17] <avri210984> and it worked fine
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[01:28:23] <avri210984> thats my problem :(
[01:29:12] <avri210984> i retried using you plus now its not stuck just not working
[01:29:22] <avri210984> it gives me the same error
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[01:29:38] <avri210984> i even tried removing postfix and reinstalling it
[01:29:41] <avri210984> still no luck
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[01:30:29] <deface> well, fix your keyboard, then try again
[01:30:35] <deface> or manually create your own main.cf file
[01:30:45] <deface> its just writing a few questions that can manually be edited
[01:30:54] <deface> its not required to properly run
[01:31:34] <avri210984> oh cool how do i write my own main.cf
[01:31:35] <avri210984> ?
[01:32:28] <deface> !basic
[01:32:29] <knoba> deface: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:35:04] <avri210984> i'm so new to this i thought it would be easy
[01:36:13] <avri210984> can i copy a main.cf from another server and use it to make it work?
[01:38:14] <deface> sure
[01:39:13] <avri210984> ok i did that
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[01:41:27] <avri210984> ok the server starts now
[01:41:31] <avri210984> but i cant talnet into i t
[01:41:33] <avri210984> *it
[01:42:38] <avri210984> want me to post my main.cf?
[01:49:41] <deface> no
[01:49:47] <deface> try telnetting locally
[01:49:58] <deface> telnet localhost 25
[01:50:13] <deface> netstat it and grep 25
[01:50:14] <deface> listening?
[01:51:00] <avri210984> btw man thank you so much for you help
[01:51:07] <deface> np
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[01:51:22] <avri210984> it says connecting but nothing comes up
[01:52:13] <avri210984> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[01:52:13] <avri210984> Connected to localhost.
[01:52:21] <deface> so its not running
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[01:52:37] <deface> did u add port 25 ?
[01:52:46] <avri210984> dont know where can i check ?
[01:52:53] <deface> var/log/messages
[01:52:57] <deface> var/log/mail.log
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[01:55:17] <stanman1> hi, how can i forward mail to an internal domain, but not through the relayhost?
[01:56:14] <deface> !transport
[01:56:15] <knoba> deface: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
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[02:07:10] <MrY> hi all
[02:07:26] <MrY> when i start postfix with dkim installed.. i got the following error:  connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: Permission denied
[02:07:35] <MrY> could someone give me some helpt on this..
[02:07:42] <MrY> cite: thank you for the info earlier.
[02:08:14] <deface> chmod the file
[02:08:18] <deface> give postfix perms to touch it
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[02:08:47] <MrY> deface: is that for me?
[02:08:51] <deface> yes
[02:08:54] <deface> sorry
[02:09:03] <MrY> i can chmod 777 /var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock
[02:09:26] <deface> sure
[02:09:33] <MrY> thank you
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[02:24:14] <stanman1> in my mail.log i get a 550 you must authenticate to use mailhost... and the mail gets bounced. I used username and password in sasl_passwd and ran postmap. Also i've routed in transport, the right way, i think. Why's this?
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[02:31:45] <deface> authtest -s imap username at domain dot com password
[02:31:47] <deface> what do you get
[02:31:58] <deface> or pop3
[02:32:04] <deface> depending on what your using
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[02:39:19] <deface> hmm .. for some reason postfix is completely skipping my policy server
[02:40:07] <deface> check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:2501,
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[02:47:22] <deface> why would i have to put it first, to get any checks out of it?
[02:47:24] <deface> hmm
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[03:19:35] <bahadunn> does postfix come with an init startup script?
[03:19:43] <bahadunn> when building from source?
[03:20:56] <Zelest> echo "postfix start" >> /etc/rc.local :D
[03:31:26] <bahadunn> okay so I setup TLS on centos in postfix and no matter what I do I get this in the logs
[03:31:39] <bahadunn> warning: No server certs available. TLS won't be enabled
[03:31:49] <bahadunn> and I know the config file is right
[03:32:03] <bahadunn> all the configuration objectives point to server certs etc...
[03:32:13] <bahadunn> any idea what is going on?
[03:38:04] <avri210984> deface thank you so much
[03:38:16] <avri210984> eventualy i solved my problem :)
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[06:07:56] <tonok> i cant seem to get postfix to use dovecot SASL
[06:07:59] <tonok> warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth-client failed: No such file or directory
[06:11:58] <tonok> i believe it is looking for this location /var/spool/postfix/private/auth-client which doesn't exist
[06:12:33] <tonok> i have tried configuring dovecot to put the auth socket their but it doesn't seem to work
[06:12:49] <deface> did you restart dovecot after modifying the socket path ?
[06:13:02] <deface> it also looks like your running in a chroot
[06:13:07] <deface> !pastebin
[06:13:07] <knoba> deface: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[06:13:13] <deface> your master.cf
[06:16:33] <tonok> http://paste.debian.net/20032/
[06:16:40] <tonok> doh
[06:16:43] <tonok> thats my main.cf
[06:16:51] <tonok> hmm
[06:18:00] <deface> !chroot
[06:18:00] <knoba> deface: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[06:19:39] <tonok> http://paste.debian.net/20033/
[06:19:43] <tonok> thats my master.cf
[06:20:03] <deface> yeah, chroot
[06:20:14] <deface> take the whole 5th column to n
[06:21:16] <deface> http://pastebin.com/f247dbd76
[06:28:32] <tonok> hmm it appears to be working now
[06:31:21] <tonok> woohoo test mail worked!! i think Authentication is working now!!! yay
[06:32:16] <deface> nice
[06:34:49] <tonok> somehow i had to figure out to use this option as well. smtpd_sasl_path = /var/run/dovecot/auth-client
[06:35:13] <tonok> even though all the tutorials say to use =private/auth-client
[06:35:14] <deface> glad you figured it out
[06:35:27] <deface> yeah, you would use that path if you were chrooted
[06:36:30] <tonok> i couldn't get dovecot to create the socket in the chroot though
[06:37:59] <tonok> oh well it seems, im happy i got this working
[06:38:16] <tonok> thank you for the help!!
[06:39:02] <deface> np
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[10:06:34] <Niemi_> hi all
[10:07:13] <Niemi_> i have strange warning messages in logs http://rafb.net/p/dGO68g46.html
[10:07:37] <Niemi_> how can i resolve this?
[10:09:11] <onre> how heavy load do you have?
[10:09:31] <onre> i've ran into same problem with other apps when per-process resource limits have been too small
[10:10:14] <Niemi_> not so heavy, but server is old and poor
[10:11:35] <Niemi_> how can i see per-process resource limit?
[10:12:09] <onre> ulimit -aH
[10:12:22] <onre> google knows more on how to set that stuff on whatever OS you're using
[10:12:51] <onre> first i'd use some tools to verify the exact problem, though :)
[10:13:16] <Niemi_> http://rafb.net/p/XxIEib77.html
[10:13:30] <Niemi_> ok, thx
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[10:47:50] <war9407> cite: you are the author of gross? :P
[10:47:52] <war9407> cite: or? :P
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[10:53:38] <cite> war9407: I have nothing to do with the project :)
[10:53:50] <cite> war9407: I wus just some, let's call it, "early adaptor".
[10:55:14] <cite> war9407: However, my master thesis was about bloom filters, so... ;-)
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[11:52:52] <war9407> cite: wow... nice :-)
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[12:12:44] <war9407> cite: does greylisting work properly with that tool?
[12:12:48] <war9407> cite: having some issues with it
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[12:19:57] <war9407> nvm found the problem *i think*
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[12:28:52] <cite> war9407: If with "this tool" you are referring to grossd, yes, it does. Though the default postfix_response_grey (or was ist postfix_grey_response) action is "DEFER_IF_PERMIT", not 450 Descripitve Text.
[12:29:19] <war9407> that's problem #2, problem #1 is I needed to create the state -C
[12:29:32] <war9407> so should postfix_response_grey = action=421?
[12:30:23] <cite> I don't know what answer is right for you.
[12:31:09] <war9407> cite: I want it to greylist the email like with postgrey you use --action=421
[12:31:16] <war9407> cite: then it does not go to the next restriction
[12:31:20] <cite> Then set it accordingly :)
[12:31:34] <war9407> yeah my question is syntax
[12:31:35] <war9407>        postfix_response_grey
[12:31:35] <war9407>            is the response template grossd(8) uses for a STATUS_GREY result.
[12:31:35] <war9407>            Default is `action=defer_if_permit %reason%', where `%reason' is
[12:31:35] <war9407>            the template for the reason string.
[12:31:39] <war9407> postfix_response_grey = 421
[12:31:39] <war9407> or
[12:31:42] <war9407> postfix_response_grey = action=421
[12:32:24] <cite> I can't remember, TBH.
[12:32:29] <cite> Matter of 20 seconds to test this out.
[12:32:30] <war9407> k, trying them both
[12:44:02] <war9407> cite: tried both neither work, trying to figure out how to make it return a 421 response code atm
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[12:47:34] <war9407> cite: got it, no quotes needed
[12:47:37] <war9407> postfix_response_grey = action=421 Service temporarily unavailable
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[12:59:40] <war9407> postfwd author here? trying that out as well
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[14:42:11] <cdavis> I am trying to install Postfix with mysql and wondered if there was a way to have it save the password in clear text?
[14:42:40] <adaptr> what password
[14:44:32] <cdavis> the user's password that they will use via pop3 or imap,
[14:46:55] <gencha_> why would you want to do that?
[14:47:24] <cdavis> because so many of my users call and ask for their password and it makes life a lot easier
[14:47:49] <cdavis> users don't understand why passwords aren't stored in clear text
[14:47:58] <cdavis> it is how we did it wiht vpopmail and it has worked well
[14:48:26] <gencha_> create a mechanism that allows users to reset their passwords
[14:48:47] <adaptr> cdavis: users should never, ever, have access to the database their info is stored in
[14:48:57] <adaptr> so how their passwords are stored is irrelevant in the extreme
[14:49:26] <adaptr> NO - remember this - NO secure system EVER allows people to RETRIEVE passwords
[14:49:32] <adaptr> they can be RESET
[14:49:35] <adaptr> but never divulged
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[14:57:35] <cdavis> it was mostly for admins use, not users use
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[15:14:53] <cdavis> Anyone have experience with vconvert? I run it and it provides no errors but it doesn't really do anything?
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[15:39:59] <anders_l> i got virtuals domains and local accounts on the box, how can i conf so the orig_to is the same as to= ? need the right domain in that, for my spam mysql db...
[15:40:30] <anders_l> it appends the default domain for the local user
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[16:23:47] <eolo999> hi, i set up a postfix server with tls/ssl. I have issues with mail-users which have port 25 blocked by their isps...i'm sure there's something in the docs, but i couldn't find it...
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[16:29:12] <eolo999> could i just make an iptable route redirect port from a different port to port 25?
[16:31:27] <sona> Got this problem when sending an email to the server: status=bounced (user unknown) , users are stored in mysql. postconf -n http://rafb.net/p/BanTuY64.html
[16:32:09] <sysmonk> eolo999: use submission
[16:32:11] <sysmonk> !submission
[16:32:13] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[16:32:15] <sysmonk> !tls
[16:32:16] <knoba> sysmonk: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[16:32:18] <sysmonk> eolo999: ^^
[16:32:41] <sysmonk> you can't redirect the traffic from port 25 to some other port, it's not you who block the stuff, it's the isp
[16:33:22] <eolo999> sysmonk: what exactly submission does?
[16:33:44] <sysmonk> eolo999: submission is a... umm... it's the same smtp but for submitting mail
[16:33:49] <sysmonk> it usually runs on port 587
[16:33:52] <sysmonk> and requires authentication
[16:33:58] <sysmonk> but you can configure it any way you like
[16:34:23] <cdavis> I have several virtual domains and they seem to all install into the /home/vmail base, is there a way I can separate them out like /home/vmail/virtdomain1, /home/vmail/virtdomain2, etc?
[16:34:36] <eolo999> i already have sasl authentication, it' enough if i just add submission on main.cf
[16:34:41] <sysmonk> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[16:34:41] <knoba> sysmonk: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[16:35:35] <sysmonk> eolo999: ^^
[16:36:02] <sysmonk> eolo999: you'll have to manually configure your mailbox_maps to return /home/vmail/$domain for each domain
[16:36:33] <sysmonk> eolo999: it's configurable in master.cf not main.cf, and yes, it's enoguh ( + you'll have to configure the clients to connect to 587 and not 25)
[16:37:10] <eolo999> so port 25 is disabled?
[16:39:37] <sysmonk> no, it will be enabled...
[16:39:44] <sysmonk> 25 is needed for server <-> server communication
[16:40:06] <sysmonk> clients submiting mail can submit it to some other port ( i.e. submission (587) or smtps (465))
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[16:49:09] <eolo999> sysmonk: thx, it works now. :)
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[17:01:16] <arooni> im looking for a mail server that allows me to easily create/edit/update accounts from a web ui, and runs on ubuntu hardy server.  server should also be REALLY easy to set up.  suggestions?
[17:03:15] <dikdust> arooni, look on howtoforge.com
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[17:05:48] <jense> arooni: kolab - easy to setup and have a web ui
[17:06:05] <jense> based on postfix of course
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[17:11:48] <cdavis> Is there a way to limit the number of users postfix creates in a single base directory? I don't want to have thousands of directories in /home/vmail/*
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[17:15:21] <dikdust> cdavis, use domian/user
[17:15:26] <dikdust> *domain
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[17:18:13] <anders_l> i got virtuals domains and local accounts on the box, how can i conf so the to= is the same as orig_to= ? need the right domain in that, for my spam mysql db...
[17:18:18] <cdavis> dikdust, I wanted to do that but I can't seem to understand how to implement that? I am using mysql
[17:19:14] <cdavis> dikdust, I understand that I can probably just change the mysql line to domain/test but postfixadmin isn't doing it like that and I don't quite understand why?
[17:19:20] <dikdust> cdavis, I use it with postfixadmin is a matetr of configuration
[17:19:39] <cdavis> dikdust, configuration with postfixadmin or postfix itself?
[17:19:51] <dikdust> postfixadmin I guess
[17:20:01] <dikdust> wait
[17:20:04] <cdavis> dikdust, perhaps that is why I can't figure it out
[17:20:08] <cdavis> dikdust, k
[17:20:32] <arooni> if i never set up a mail server before;  do i have to do something with my mx or dns records?  if so, what?
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[17:21:04] <dikdust> arooni, rtfm you need an mx record that point to your server
[17:21:47] <arooni> dikdust, ok thank you;  i assume that stuff will be in the howto i will read now
[17:22:46] <jense> arooni: you need a valid ptr record for your ip
[17:23:18] <jense> so called reverse dns
[17:24:05] <dikdust> cdavis, $CONF['domain_path'] = 'NO'; in postfixadmn/config.inc.php must be set to 'YES'
[17:24:43] <arooni> jense, i am thinking that without a mx record and valid ptr record (are they the same thing) you can send email, but not receive it?
[17:24:58] <cdavis> dikdust, thanks, makes perfect sense to me now
[17:25:08] <dikdust> ;)
[17:25:50] <jense> arooni: a correct reverse dns setup is imprtant for outbound mail. mx records are required for inbound
[17:26:50] <arooni> jense, reverse dns setup == valid ptr record?
[17:26:55] <jense> yes
[17:27:36] <arooni> how long does it take to setup say kolab and postfix if i've never done it before;  along with mx and reverse dns setup
[17:28:23] <jense> arooni:  a plain install is done in under 30 minutes
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[17:28:54] <arooni> jense, ok cool;  trying to figure out if i'll be done before i meet up with my girl in 3.5 hours ;p
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[17:31:24] <jense> arooni: but most kolab admins optimize kolabs default postfix config. (in particular when used as a internet server)
[17:32:11] <arooni> jense, ah i see;  sounds like the ideal thing for me
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[17:32:26] <arooni> we already have apache running on the box;  but i dont think that should be a problem
[17:32:28] <jense> arooni: if you have further questions, visit #kolab :)
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[17:32:43] <arooni> jense, i will ;p  thanks for the tip.  do you think kolab is easiest given what i want to do?
[17:32:49] <jense> so we can stay ontopic here :)
[17:33:00] <arooni> jense, yessir.
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[17:38:00] <dikdust> you can try also zimbra
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[17:59:48] <MalMen> hello
[17:59:55] <MalMen> anyone can help me here with courier ?
[18:00:05] <MalMen> i am trying to implementate courier + ldap
[18:00:10] <onre> that's not postfix.
[18:00:18] <MalMen> i know
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[18:01:15] <MalMen> but on courier channel no one is awser me, and i think may be here anyone can help me, because some people use to install postfix for mta + courier
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[18:15:35] <eolo999> hi, i get this warn in the logs: hostname static-xx-xx-xx-xxx.x.x.x verification failed: Name or service not known, which is the reason?
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[18:20:33] <thumbs> MalMen: then wait over there.
[18:20:40] <thumbs> MalMen: we won't help you with courier
[18:21:18] <sysmonk> blah curier blah
[18:21:19] <sysmonk> ;)
[18:21:47] <thumbs> (I've dealt with MalMen before)
[18:22:27] <sysmonk> malware man ? :)
[18:23:10] <thumbs> no, that individual. He likes to ask questions in the wrong channel.
[18:23:30] * sysmonk is just joking
[18:23:41] <thumbs> I was not
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[18:42:08] <MalMen> lol
[18:42:15] <MalMen> thumbs i remember you
[18:42:18] <MalMen> hi
[18:42:41] <thumbs> what do you want?
[18:43:22] <MalMen> i am dealing with courier + ldap
[18:43:31] <thumbs> MalMen: I know. What do you want?
[18:43:51] <MalMen> i am getting that error on courier machine
[18:43:52] <MalMen> Oct 26 14:06:07 mail authdaemond: ldap_simple_bind_s failed: Invalid credentials
[18:44:22] <MalMen> i ask here if anyone have deal with that, i know that is not the right channel, but i know may have here people dealing with courier
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[18:44:26] <thumbs> I don't care. This is #postfix. Ask the relevant channel.
[18:44:26] <MalMen> so why i am here
[18:44:31] <MalMen> ok
[18:44:38] <thumbs> don't ask here. Go ask in their channel.
[18:44:41] <thumbs> I told you already.
[18:44:49] <thumbs> what makes you think I will help you now?
[18:45:51] <MalMen> i am not expeting you to awser me
[18:46:12] <MalMen> i am expecting here anyone may have the same trouble
[18:46:13] <thumbs> knowing you from before, I wouldn't help you with anything either.
[18:46:23] <MalMen> ok
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[19:10:30] <deface> MalMen: http://www.google.com/search?q=authdaemond%3A+ldap_simple_bind_s+failed%3A+Invalid+credentials&
[19:10:56] <thumbs> better yet, that twat can't even google his way out of a paper bag
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[20:09:12] <adaptr> thumbs has invaded #postfix ?! no good will come if it, mark my words
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[20:25:05] <thumbs> adaptr: I've been here for years
[20:25:28] <adaptr> I haven't seen you once in the entirety of 2007
[20:26:37] <thumbs> then you must be blind.
[20:26:59] <adaptr> obviously
[20:27:24] <adaptr> or you haven't opened your charming trap whenever I was here, which was most of 2007
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[20:40:39] <rob0> thumbs up
[20:40:46] <thumbs> heh
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[20:50:20] <edman007> hi, looks like i have to do DKIM on my mailserver, but from what i have read i have to do something with my DNS server, where do i find out how to configure this? so far all i have found is stuff on making it work with postfix, nothing seems to mention how i'm suppose to configure the other aspects of it
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[21:14:39] <Marco_> Hey.  I have a postfix server at mail.mydomain.com and when I try to connect to it from my email client at home, I get a relay access denied error.
[21:15:22] <Marco_> but when I do it internally, that does happen.
[21:15:41] <Marco_> *that doesn't happen
[21:15:44] <edman007> yup...generally you don't want anyone to connect to it from outside...open relays are bad
[21:16:08] <Marco_> edman007: well, how do I use my email client then
[21:16:09] <edman007> you can add some auth stuff though to allow authorized users to connect from outside
[21:16:39] <Marco_> how would I go about doing that
[21:16:48] <edman007> your ISP will usually provide an outbound SMTP server
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[21:17:24] <Marco_> will my ISP's server allow me to send mail from blah at mydomain dot com
[21:17:32] <edman007> usually
[21:17:57] <cgibin> hello, i m not sure where this coming however when i test my email it checks out its tested, i m tailing the mail info its not even hitting the box,
[21:18:29] <edman007> you can configure your server to allow authorize people though, thats arguably better, but its more difficult to setup, and i'm not really sure exactly what you need to do
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[21:25:51] <cgibin> gmail didnt came back with an error , however when i tail it i dont see i get info from google.. not sure whats going on.. any ideas?
[21:26:48] <cgibin> let me check on /etc/login
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[21:29:06] <fissy> hello, I'm trying to use openldap together with virtual mailbox domains. I am doing a search for the mail attribute and using a person's uid as the result (so one mailbox per uid). I want to have multiple e-mail addresses per person, but the second e-mail address (which can be found by ldapsearch) is rejected as not being in the local recipient table. What am I doing wrong?
[21:29:43] <adaptr> only the primary address is being searched, obviously
[21:29:54] <adaptr> you need to adjust your query to fit
[21:30:37] <fissy> i have query_filter = (mail=%s) - does %s not come from the RCPT TO:   ?
[21:31:21] <cgibin> when i check on the email, i see the tail showing the email
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[21:31:34] <adaptr> you're only matching the primary mail address
[21:33:05] <cgibin> lol i wonder where this email going to when i send it from gmail i dont get any error from gmail
[21:33:37] <fissy> there's nothing different, except the order I added them in ldif file. i guess thinking of it as a database is wrong
[21:33:55] <adaptr> yes
[21:39:06] <cgibin> oh i found it, ty
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[21:43:44] <fissy> I can't work it out :( I use  ldapsearch -x -D "cn=Manager,dc=example,dc=net" -W "(mail=user at example dot net)" uid and it gives exactly the same result whichever of the e-mails I feed it
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[22:04:19] <fissy> ok, I added a third mail attribute, that one also allows mail to be delivered :S just the second one that doesn't work
[22:04:34] <jdrake> Can anyone tell me what file might contain stuff for mail redirects? (For example to say abuse goes to X)
[22:05:54] <rob0> !basic
[22:05:55] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[22:06:20] <rob0> A question like that suggests that you have not looked into the documentation at all.
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[22:50:18] <rusty_> Can someone get me some help with this? http://tinyurl.com/helppg
[22:50:39] <TGM> hi
[22:51:14] <TGM> I have a quick question, If my Return-Path:   	 	 <root at example dot com> then my postfix server is running under root?
[22:51:51] <Trengo> rusty_ wtf is that crap?
[22:51:56] <rob0> Spam.
[22:52:02] <lennard> very much spam
[22:52:17] <lennard> someone should probably report it to some freenode-thingy
[22:52:24] <lennard> someone other than me :P
[22:52:48] <rob0> Yup, I think a k-line is called for.
[22:52:53] <Trengo> whats the official support channel, do you know?
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[22:53:04] <rob0> haha
[22:55:27] <rob0> tgm, that is not what that means. It means the mail was submitted with an envelope sender of root at example dot com.
[22:56:01] <lennard> which *can* mean the mail was locally submitted through sendmail by a process running under root. I think.
[22:56:03] <TGM> tnk
[22:56:19] <TGM> any advice to fix that?
[22:56:27] <rob0> To fix WHAT?
[22:56:41] <TGM> to change root at example dot com to something else
[22:56:55] <TGM> I don't even know what user postfix is running as atm
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[22:58:00] <rob0> You don't have a quick question. You have a "can you explain all the basics of email?" question.
[22:58:19] <TGM> The first one was a quck question . :P
[22:58:26] <TGM> nvm, i'll figure it out
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[23:21:58] <adaptr> rob0: please explain the basics of IRC to me ? I'm a poor student and my grades suck
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[23:32:47] <ZenithDK> hi, can someone help me debug setting up postfix to accept connections from other machines?
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[23:33:09] <ZenithDK> I have made som changes to the main.cf file, the primary changes are there: zenith.dk
[23:33:18] <ZenithDK> sorry, these: http://pastebin.com/m1636daef
[23:33:49] <shasta> is this your *exact* main.cf?
[23:34:06] <shasta> if so, its syntax is wrong
[23:34:16] <shasta> man 5 postconf
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[23:34:48] <ZenithDK> shasta: no, it is just a select clipping
[23:34:56] <ZenithDK> relating to what I figure is wrong with it
[23:35:01] <rob0> postconf -n
[23:35:01] <shasta> but still, this is wrong:
[23:35:16] <ZenithDK> I can send mail from the machine itself, but not remotely...so only webmail + mutt works
[23:35:18] <shasta> #
[23:35:18] <shasta> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
[23:35:18] <shasta> #
[23:35:19] <shasta> #       reject_invalid_hostname,
[23:35:34] <ZenithDK> I just commented out some lines, will that not work?
[23:35:44] <shasta> man 5 postconf...
[23:35:53] <rob0> "postconf -n" would tell you what worked
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[23:36:02] <shasta> rob has a point here
[23:36:26] <ZenithDK> it has: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,       permit_sasl_authenticated,       reject_unlisted_recipient,       reject_unauth_destination
[23:36:33] <ZenithDK> when typing postconf -n
[23:36:45] <ZenithDK> so it seems to work, yes?
[23:36:51] <shasta> oh, so now I'm wrong (:
[23:37:02] <shasta> what can I say, shit happens (-8
[23:37:06] <ZenithDK> the thing I do not understand is why the sasl authentication does not work
[23:37:11] <ZenithDK> shasta: hehe, fair enough ;)
[23:37:14] <rob0> so what is the problem?
[23:38:22] <ZenithDK> rob0: when looking in /var/log/mail/current (gentoo here), I have this: Oct 26 23:37:12 [postfix/smtpd] NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 0910ds3-abc.0.fullrate.dk[90.185.61.79]: 554 5.7.1 <lasse at hardwareonline dot dk>: Relay access denied; from=<zenith at zenith dot dk> to=<lasse at hardwareonline dot dk> proto=ESMTP helo=<[192.168.1.101]>
[23:39:14] <shasta> is there any record of that client *trying* to use smtp auth?
[23:39:22] <ZenithDK> so the sasl stuff works, but I am not allowed to relay, even though I am trusted?
[23:39:29] <ZenithDK> shasta: yes, plenty
[23:39:40] <ZenithDK> Oct 26 23:37:12 [postfix/smtpd] initializing the server-side TLS engine
[23:39:40] <ZenithDK> Oct 26 23:37:12 [postfix/smtpd] connect from 0910ds3-abc.0.fullrate.dk[90.185.61.79]
[23:39:43] <ZenithDK> Oct 26 23:37:12 [postfix/smtpd] setting up TLS connection from 0910ds3-abc.0.fullrate.dk[90.185.61.79]
[23:39:49] <shasta> TLS != SASL
[23:40:04] <ZenithDK> so it uses TLS or some such
[23:40:08] <shasta> TLS == encryption, SASL = authentication
[23:40:16] <shasta> two *very* different things
[23:40:28] <rob0> What is the MUA?
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[23:40:49] <ZenithDK> then no, no traces of SASL in the logs
[23:40:51] <Tabmow> ZenithDK: if you want that mail server to be able to relay through your mail server then allow it to
[23:40:55] <ZenithDK> MUA = evolution
[23:41:20] <rob0> and it is configured to send AUTH credentials, and the logs says ... ?
[23:41:21] <ZenithDK> Tabmow: I just want all trusted clients to be able to send e-mail to any domain
[23:41:25] <ZenithDK> which does not work now
[23:42:10] <Tabmow> ZenithDK: ahhh, well if there is a ip block that you want to allow to send e-mail then add that network, or else setup SASL auth in your clients and use it
[23:42:35] <ZenithDK> in Evo I have, in the "Sending e-mail" tab: "server requires authentication" and have set it up to use TLS and "plain" password
[23:43:08] <ZenithDK> it is not because I have not setup SASL incorrectly on the serverside? postfix I mean
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[23:44:03] <rob0> "postconf -n" would tell
[23:44:30] <ZenithDK> rob0: let me post the outpot of postconf -n then :)
[23:45:22] <ZenithDK> http://pastebin.com/m254a2562
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[23:46:11] <shasta> !sasl
[23:46:12] <knoba> shasta: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[23:46:28] <ZenithDK> the log also says: Oct 26 23:45:12 [postfix/smtpd] Anonymous TLS connection established from 0910ds3-abc.0.fullrate.dk[90.185.61.79]: TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)
[23:46:28] <rob0> postconf smtpd_sasl_auth_enable
[23:46:32] <shasta> !smtpd_sasl_auth_enable
[23:46:33] <knoba> shasta: "smtpd_sasl_auth_enable" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Enable SASL authentication in the Postfix SMTP server. By default, the Postfix SMTP server does not use authentication.
[23:46:44] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd
[23:46:44] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[23:47:26] <ZenithDK> arh, I have it enabled for smtp, not smtpd
[23:47:42] <ZenithDK> what are all the smtp things then good for?
[23:47:58] <rob0> !tell ZenithDK smtp!=smtpd
[23:48:56] <MatBoy> hi guys !
[23:49:00] <ZenithDK> rob0: :) I understand the difference between the two, I just do not understand what setting smtp_* in postfix will do, does it enforce the rules on the clients then? why not just set the smtpd_* stuff then?
[23:49:20] <MatBoy> man I thought there were simpeler script for adminning postfix than postfix admin
[23:49:26] <MatBoy> *scripts
[23:49:38] <rob0> !mta
[23:49:38] <knoba> rob0: "mta" : Mail Transfer Agent: software that facilitates the transfer of mail messages between hosts
[23:49:42] <shasta> you don't understand the difference :)
[23:49:52] <rob0> A MTA is both client AND server.
[23:50:23] <rob0> think about it ... if it was only one or only the other, how would mail be exchanged?
[23:50:36] <adaptr> brute force
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[23:51:41] <ZenithDK> arh, I get it then :) so I am using the server side when my MUA wants to send mail, but when my postfix server needs to relay to other servers, it is acting as a client
[23:51:53] <rob0> right
[23:52:02] <adaptr> and both always happen for every message, unless postfix decides to drop it
[23:52:19] <adaptr> which is where the *restrictions come in
[23:52:21] <ZenithDK> ok, thanks....so should I have any settings at all for smtp_* then, unless I want something special for that?
[23:52:47] <rob0> well, it sometimes is the case that mail comes in via sendmail(1) and is delivered by local(8); no SMTP used at all.
[23:53:18] <ZenithDK> ok
[23:53:49] <rob0> My only smtp_* settings are for client TLS.
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[23:53:50] <adaptr> rob0: true, but they're simply different protocols; the entire send/receive stack is still traversed, is it not ?
[23:54:10] <rob0> yup
[23:54:12] <adaptr> including trivial_rewrite and virtual* processing
[23:54:30] <adaptr> and envelope rewriting and whatnot
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[23:55:23] <ZenithDK> I have these: smtp_tls_security_level = may
[23:55:29] <ZenithDK> smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes
[23:55:35] <ZenithDK> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_pass
[23:55:41] <ZenithDK> smtp_use_tls = yes
[23:55:41] <ZenithDK> smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer = yes
[23:57:20] <adaptr> can you flood some more please ?
[23:58:29] <ZenithDK> adaptr: sorry, It was only 5 lines so I thought it would pass, will use pastebin for that next time
[23:58:51] <rob0> well, I had already seen those in your other pastebin :)





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