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[00:30:32] <diveli> hi all. If I want to relay mail being sent from users on my network to a specific external domain, via a different postfix server than everything else, what's the parameter to set? the situation is that mail to @example.com domain doesn't seem to get out (times out in mailq), but a telnet works.. I know another mail server sends the mail ok, but we don't use it by default. so i want to relay to this second mail server first to handle it
[00:30:38] <diveli> (hope that makes sense)
[00:31:28] <diveli> not sure if you can specify a relayhost sort of config specific to the domain that the mail is trying to go to
[00:32:43] <diveli> something to do with sender_dependent_relayhost_maps ?
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[01:26:03] <diveli> duh. transport maps. sorry :) time for morning coffee
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[02:08:36] <eolo999> hi, ladies and gentleman. My problem: I have postfix 2.5.1 installed, i can receive mail sent from users on the same machine, i can get my mails with mutt on a remote machine using dovecot, but i can't receive mail from the outer world. With gmail i get a 550 relay denied for mydomain.com.
[02:09:07] <eolo999> any ideas, or i am to 'vague'
[02:10:25] <xpoint> !basic
[02:10:28] <knoba> xpoint: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[02:10:36] <eolo999> !basic
[02:10:37] <knoba> eolo999: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[02:10:41] <xpoint> eolo999, see this links
[02:10:56] <eolo999> xpoint: knoba thanks
[02:11:04] <xpoint> it olso works for you =)
[02:11:13] <vice-versa> !yw
[02:11:14] <knoba> vice-versa: "yw" : you're welcome
[02:13:38] <xpoint> eolo999, is non human :-)
[02:14:01] * xpoint compiles
[02:14:08] <eolo999> what do you mean?!
[02:14:24] <xpoint> eolo999, knoba is a bot
[02:14:40] <vice-versa> !stupidbot
[02:14:41] <knoba> vice-versa: "stupidbot" : heh, more like dumb ass human!
[02:15:03] <xpoint> oh
[02:15:17] <eolo999> hi just saw his name changing to green color which in my irssi means someone spelled my name... so thx knoba
[02:15:53] <vice-versa> !yw
[02:15:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "yw" : you're welcome
[02:15:55] <eolo999> !human
[02:15:56] <knoba> eolo999: Error: "human" is not a valid command.
[02:18:47] <vice-versa> !bot
[02:18:48] <knoba> vice-versa: "bot" : The bot 'knoba' resides here to learn and tell about factoids. See http://workaround.org/f=postfix for the list of currently supported factoids.
[02:19:00] <vice-versa> !factoid
[02:19:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[02:19:41] <eolo999> xpoint: should i change the mynetworks option to accept mail from outside world? or...?
[02:20:02] <vice-versa> O.o
[02:20:05] <vice-versa> hell no
[02:20:15] * eolo999 doesn't have any neuro left for thinking to mta, mda, mua, mx, ssl, ca, certs, etc
[02:20:22] <vice-versa> repeat after me
[02:20:35] <eolo999> ready
[02:20:37] <vice-versa> "I will not be an open realy for others to abuse"
[02:20:50] <vice-versa> *relay
[02:21:12] <eolo999> "I will not be an open realy for others to abuse"
[02:21:17] <vice-versa> "I will not be an open relay for others to abuse"
[02:21:47] <eolo999> ok, so why outer world cannot send me an email?
[02:22:09] <eolo999> which is the most common error? i'm sure that's the one i did
[02:22:15] <xpoint> eolo999, the outside world can send mail to mydestination
[02:22:42] <onre> just make sure that it'll only accept mail for domains that are actually yours.
[02:22:47] <xpoint> eolo999, others will get relay denied
[02:22:54] <onre> that's like lvl1 of being a good internet citizen. ;)
[02:23:09] <vice-versa> hmm most common error, let me see...
[02:23:12] <vice-versa> !tutorial
[02:23:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[02:23:26] <onre> vice-versa, failure to read the documentation pops to mind...
[02:24:04] <vice-versa> *read and or comprehend
[02:24:14] <vice-versa> !docs
[02:24:14] <knoba> vice-versa: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[02:24:55] <eolo999> really, forgive me but too many things i had to read, as i told mta, mda and mua, ssl, fetchmail not accepting self signed certs, commonname errors, mx, cname and a records, and other things... now i'm just one step far from getting my server up....
[02:26:02] <vice-versa> or so you think
[02:26:10] <vice-versa> !showme
[02:26:11] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf - also, show some logs (see !logs).
[02:28:13] <xpoint> !google postfinger
[02:28:14] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
[02:28:30] <xpoint> knoba, stupid human bot :)
[02:28:59] <onre> for some reason 'postfinger' first made me think of something involving james bond
[02:29:11] <xpoint> xpoint: Results for postfinger: 1. postfinger: http://ftp.wl0.org/postfinger/postfinger-1.30 | 2. Index of /postfinger: http://ftp.wl0.org/postfinger/ | 3. Index of /pub/postfix/postfinger: http://ftp.sanguine.net/pub/postfix/postfinger/
[02:29:33] * eolo999 is trying to order the mess
[02:29:45] <xpoint> that will make all in one go ready to be posted on pastebin
[02:29:50] <onre> it's not a mess. postfix is really quite simple to set up
[02:30:00] <onre> compare it to, say, qmail or zmailer...
[02:30:34] <xpoint> onre, most user should realy just empty the main.cf to get it working :)
[02:30:49] <eolo999> !logs
[02:30:51] <onre> indeed. :D
[02:30:52] <knoba> eolo999: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[02:31:18] * xpoint common fails is that main.cf have mostly non defaults and or bad configs anyway
[02:31:37] <eolo999> !have2mung
[02:31:38] <knoba> eolo999: "have2mung" : if you absolutely have to mung details, such as anonymizing domains, email and IP addresses etc., try to do so in a minimal, consistent and meaningful way. Keep in mind that this is our first look at your particular configuration and or log details and we do not have the benefit you posses about your existing configuration.
[02:32:17] <vice-versa> !fish
[02:32:18] <knoba> vice-versa: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !lvsv !virtual !smtpd!=smtp : Use '/msg knoba whatis #postfix factoid' to get the factoid details from knoba in a private message to reduce channel noise
[02:34:30] <hparker> poor knoba
[02:35:18] <eolo999> fatal: open database /var/lib/postfix/smtpd_scache.db: Permission denied
[02:36:02] <eolo999> !knoba
[02:36:03] <knoba> eolo999: "knoba" : an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix)
[02:36:18] <eolo999> knowledge base
[02:37:35] <vice-versa> more a collection of shit we get tired of repeating ;)
[02:38:16] <eolo999> that's the hard life of an irc op
[02:38:36] <vice-versa> so they say
[02:39:33] <eolo999> have you seen the error message i found in my logs?
[02:40:00] <vice-versa> how could I miss it?
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[02:40:20] <sasuke781> wow.....this is a huge channel....
[02:40:35] <growltiger> compared to...?
[02:40:49] <sasuke781> uhh....anyway...i need help with my postfix mail server....never had a mail server before sooo bear with me
[02:40:49] <vice-versa> #qmail
[02:41:01] <growltiger> heh
[02:41:06] <growltiger> ppl still use that?
[02:41:25] <vice-versa> not willingly
[02:41:35] <sasuke781> what else am i to you, i need something simple and easy to configure
[02:41:39] <sasuke781> use*
[02:41:57] <sasuke781> that can send and recieve
[02:42:08] <sasuke781> i'd rather just fix what i have
[02:42:10] <eolo999> but they say "THE mail server of THE internet"
[02:42:38] <vice-versa> sasuke781: what are your needs?
[02:42:51] <growltiger> postfix is the easiest, yet most powerful MTA there is
[02:43:10] <sasuke781> ok then can you guys help me fix it up so it will work
[02:43:20] <sasuke781> currently it doesnt do anything
[02:43:27] <vice-versa> how did you break it?
[02:43:35] <sasuke781> i never configured it
[02:43:40] <sasuke781> im not sure how
[02:43:57] <vice-versa> what os?
[02:45:07] <sasuke781> ubuntu 8.04 hardy
[02:45:47] <vice-versa> so it's been debianized
[02:46:28] <sasuke781> as far as i know ubuntu has always been based on debian
[02:46:33] <sasuke781> =P
[02:46:55] <vice-versa> I meant the postfix config, but meh
[02:46:59] <vice-versa> !basic
[02:47:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[02:47:04] <vice-versa> !standard
[02:47:05] <knoba> vice-versa: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[02:47:18] <growltiger> debuntu likes to mangle config files to make things more confusing
[02:47:27] <xpoint> http://dlink.junc.org/palin.jpg danish clone :)
[02:48:19] <sasuke781> i was hoping you could talk me through, tell me what has to be changed =P
[02:48:34] <vice-versa> hand holding?
[02:48:38] <sasuke781> >_>
[02:48:39] <sasuke781> no
[02:48:56] <sasuke781> i didnt say tell me every command
[02:49:27] * eolo999 still using the lightsabre with docs
[02:50:28] <sasuke781> usually guides like that dont work for me cause they dont match my situation
[02:50:39] <xpoint> sasuke781, you belive all users here know all about postconf -d defaults ? :)
[02:51:07] <sasuke781> well this is the postfix chan isnt it
[02:51:14] <sasuke781> so yea i do
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[02:51:36] <eolo999> !pastebin
[02:51:37] <knoba> eolo999: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[02:51:59] <vice-versa> sasuke781: which you've failed to elaborate on
[02:52:25] <sasuke781> well i would expect those that know postfix to ask what they need to know to help me
[02:52:48] <eolo999> sasuke781: are you blond?
[02:52:51] * vice-versa dusts off the crystal ball
[02:52:59] <growltiger> first of all what is happening, and how does this differ from what you expect to be happening?
[02:53:08] <sasuke781> ...no whats that got to do with anything....
[02:53:28] <sasuke781> it cant send or recieve
[02:53:54] <growltiger> and what does maillog have to say about this?
[02:54:16] <xpoint> sasuke781, i did not know that, postconf -d | wc -l will properly get lines areound 900 or more, and take every possible combinations on that we need a oracle database :)
[02:54:58] <sasuke781> i didnt think to look at the log ><
[02:55:11] <sasuke781> where is it and ill get it and read it
[02:55:40] <growltiger> most logs are in /var/log somewhere
[02:55:42] <eolo999> /var/log/mail.*
[02:55:49] <vice-versa> !logs
[02:55:50] <sasuke781> ok
[02:55:50] <knoba> vice-versa: "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
[02:59:47] <eolo999> unuseful thought about postfix docs: ...it's hard to have tens of links in every basic configuration page... pagess to be read grow exponentially... if i had the time to get deep in that i'll become a postfix dev...
[03:02:27] <sasuke781> http://pastebin.com/d1a77c85a
[03:02:42] <sasuke781> thats the majority of what it says....over and over and over agin
[03:02:51] <sasuke781> theres about 1000 lines of that
[03:03:26] <vice-versa> vps?
[03:03:49] <vice-versa> or some hosting service?
[03:03:57] <sasuke781> no its my own server
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[03:04:32] <vice-versa> residential broadband?
[03:05:14] <sasuke781> yea....
[03:05:22] <vice-versa> !dynamic
[03:05:23] <knoba> vice-versa: "dynamic" : If your server is using a dynamic IP, (DHCP leased IP address), you should consider using your ISP's SMTP server to relay for you as many dynamically assigned IP address spaces are listed within DNSBLs reducing the likelihood of successfully delivering mail to many servers. See the !relayhost factoid. If your ISP requires SASL auth see the !sasl & !saslclient factoids
[03:05:46] <sasuke781> O.o
[03:05:53] <xpoint> sasuke781, netstat -nr
[03:06:00] <vice-versa> I suspect your isp is blocking 25
[03:06:11] <sasuke781> i could call and find out?
[03:06:32] <vice-versa> try testing with telnet
[03:06:38] <xpoint> vice-versa, no route to host is a local problem out side of isp
[03:06:57] <vice-versa> xpoint: not always
[03:07:17] <xpoint> sasuke781, netstat -nr paste bin it
[03:07:25] <sasuke781> >_> fine
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[03:08:07] <onre> many isps just block port 25.
[03:08:25] <vice-versa> sasuke781: ping -c3 66.249.91.27
[03:08:28] <sasuke781> http://pastebin.com/d346a6823
[03:08:35] <xpoint> onre, but it does not give no route to host
[03:09:03] <vice-versa> xpoint: it can
[03:09:19] <vice-versa> depends how they reply to the packet
[03:09:24] <sasuke781> onre, http://pastebin.com/d604f6584
[03:09:46] <onre> xpoint, oh.
[03:09:59] <vice-versa> sasuke781: telnet 66.249.91.27 25
[03:10:25] <onre> xpoint, though, it can be, if the next router returns certain ICMP messages, no? can't remember, been a while since i used consumer internet.
[03:11:23] <sasuke781> if i could get business class internet i would
[03:11:33] <sasuke781> or if i could get verizon fios
[03:11:35] <xpoint> sasuke781, postfix olso need proxy_interfaces=van-ip
[03:11:45] <vice-versa> sasuke781: same thing, 'no route to host'?
[03:11:46] <sasuke781> ? whats that?
[03:11:59] <growltiger> vmware
[03:12:11] <sasuke781> yea...
[03:12:13] <sasuke781> Trying 66.249.91.27...
[03:12:33] <vice-versa> break it
[03:12:38] <sasuke781> ?
[03:12:50] <vice-versa> Ctrl+c
[03:13:02] <vice-versa> telnet smtp.gmail.com 587
[03:13:19] <xpoint> sasuke781, postfix always need to know the wan-ip else mailroutes can loop
[03:13:34] <sasuke781> http://pastebin.com/d438aba4f
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[03:14:05] <vice-versa> sure looks like ISP port 25 blocking to me
[03:14:22] <sasuke781> let me call to confirm...
[03:14:34] <phantomcircuit> how can I setup postfix to send mail through another smtp daemon that requires tls and auth?
[03:14:52] <vice-versa> !relayhost
[03:14:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[03:15:27] <sasuke781> if they do block port 25 is there a way to route around it?
[03:16:11] <vice-versa> do you think they would waste their time if there were?
[03:16:13] <xpoint> sasuke781, ask them how to send mail from outlook
[03:16:44] <sasuke781> how would i know =[
[03:16:50] <xpoint> sasuke781, thay tell you a smtp server name
[03:16:50] <phantomcircuit> !saslclient
[03:16:51] <knoba> phantomcircuit: "saslclient" : See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl when you need client-side SASL authentication to deliver mail to another server
[03:16:58] <sasuke781> ok
[03:17:05] <sasuke781> then what do i do with that
[03:17:15] <sasuke781> is that how i can route around it?
[03:17:21] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, what isp do you have?
[03:17:27] <xpoint> sasuke781, put this server name as relayhost in postfix
[03:17:28] <sasuke781> at&t
[03:17:28] <growltiger> i think it is because he needs to forward port 25 on his router to his internal vmware ip address
[03:17:54] <sasuke781> its not on a vm =P
[03:18:04] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, call their customer service you can tell them to unblock port 25, i believe there is an automated way to do it also, you need the username and password for the master dsl account
[03:18:08] <growltiger> you just said it's vmware
[03:18:23] <sasuke781> oh i thought you asked if i had one
[03:18:30] <vice-versa> lol
[03:18:44] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, what email domain do you have for att?
[03:18:47] <sasuke781> why would they unblock it for me if they block it int he first place
[03:18:51] <phantomcircuit> sbcglobal.net or what?
[03:18:58] <sasuke781> bellsouth.net
[03:19:01] <growltiger> bellsouth.net
[03:19:24] <sasuke781> ew hold time is estimated at 12 minutes
[03:19:58] <vice-versa> to keep Windo...err compromised boxen from spewing spam
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[03:20:13] <sasuke781> ?
[03:20:34] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, they block it to stop people from sending spam as zombies, the assumption is that if you can figure out they're blocking call them and request for it to be unblocked.. you probably not going to be spamming anybody
[03:21:02] <sasuke781> no lol i have no interest in that
[03:21:07] <phantomcircuit> http://support.att.net/bellsouth/asp/contentview.asp?sprt_cid=d00c5ac8-ebd0-4216-a6e2-bc5ac6de7fc8
[03:21:22] <vice-versa> that's until the bots figure out how to do this as well
[03:21:40] <Zelest> sasuke781, use relayhost and use something like smtp.isp.com, that's what they usually setup.
[03:21:56] <phantomcircuit> I know for a fact that you can get them to unblock it if you call them since I have it unblocked
[03:22:05] <Zelest> vice-versa, no great loss :D keep em spamming :D
[03:22:08] <phantomcircuit> but I had sbcglobal.net so maybe they have different policies
[03:22:37] <phantomcircuit> vice-versa, att smtp requires username/password and has mandatory spam filtering
[03:22:57] <vice-versa> eww
[03:23:18] <phantomcircuit> yeah exactly why i had them unblock it
[03:23:35] <vice-versa> mandatory random silent discards
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[03:24:10] <phantomcircuit> they don't block ssl, but that's obviously just a stop gap until the bots get ssl support
[03:24:30] <phantomcircuit> AH here it is
[03:24:31] <phantomcircuit> http://help.sbcglobal.net/servabuse.php
[03:24:45] <phantomcircuit> To request removal of the filter, use the Abuse of Service form at http://help.sbcglobal.net/servabuse.php to contact our Abuse team and choose the "Opt-Out  Port 25" under Abuse Type. Enter your account Member ID (also called your AT&TIS PPPOE Login ID or User ID) to opt-out. If you have multiple AT&TIS accounts you want to opt-out, please submit a separate form for each Member ID. Do not enter your email addresses from the other mail hosting
[03:24:45] <phantomcircuit> provider. You should expect that it will take AT&TIS 12-24 hours to process your request.
[03:24:45] <phantomcircuit> After receiving a confirmation email, sent to the AT&TIS Member account ID being opted-out, you will need to logoff the AT&TIS network and turn off your DSL router or modem for 1 minute to remove the filter. You should then turn your modem and system back on and log in using the normal procedure.
[03:24:56] <vice-versa> fuck, bots are doing mail better than most admins these days it seems
[03:25:40] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, ^^
[03:26:39] <xpoint> vice-versa, can it be vorse then facebook ?
[03:27:03] <vice-versa> huh?
[03:27:18] <Motoko-chan> Do you need to ask?
[03:27:19] <xpoint> :-)
[03:27:22] <phantomcircuit> can it be worse than facebook
[03:27:35] <phantomcircuit> xpoint, nice engrish
[03:27:42] <phantomcircuit> :P
[03:27:44] <xpoint> thanks
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[03:28:16] <sasuke781> hmm...
[03:28:18] <sasuke781> i did it
[03:28:25] <vice-versa> !xpoint
[03:28:25] <sasuke781> now what lol
[03:28:26] <knoba> vice-versa: "xpoint" : #postfix's yoda
[03:28:40] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, "You should expect that it will take AT&TIS 12-24 hours to process your request."
[03:29:23] <xpoint> facebook still makes random helo, and still makes internal failback_relay (pretty smart to start a new greylist time) :)
[03:29:45] <phantomcircuit> I actually like att, they're completely reasonable in all of their policies
[03:29:46] <sasuke781> you mean this...
[03:29:48] <sasuke781>   	Re: AT&T Yahoo Support - ABUSE FORM
[03:29:50] <sasuke781> lol
[03:30:09] <phantomcircuit> After receiving a confirmation email, sent to the AT&TIS Member account ID being opted-out, you will need to logoff the AT&TIS network and turn off your DSL router or modem for 1 minute to remove the filter. You should then turn your modem and system back on and log in using the normal procedure.
[03:30:12] <phantomcircuit> :P
[03:31:21] <sasuke781> ...
[03:31:25] <sasuke781> soo...right now?
[03:31:27] <sasuke781> O.o
[03:32:20] <sasuke781> http://pastebin.com/d60674c3a
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[03:34:45] <sasuke781> hm...
[03:34:57] <sasuke781> doesnt it piss you off how the people on the phones dont know what the hell your talking about
[03:35:17] <sasuke781> i told her my issue...and she said
[03:35:27] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, i usually call them indians, but i guess "people on the phones" works to
[03:35:38] <sasuke781> "i dont even know what your talking about, we've never been asked that question"
[03:35:39] <xpoint> no one uses squirrelmail hmm
[03:35:46] <sasuke781> LOL
[03:35:53] <sasuke781> this one is american
[03:35:54] <sasuke781> XD
[03:36:00] <deface> roundcube > *
[03:36:17] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, ask her if she knows what email is
[03:36:42] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, then ask her if she knows what SMTP is
[03:36:54] <sasuke781> LOL
[03:36:54] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, if she doesnt know what SMTP is tell her you want a manager
[03:37:06] <lunaphyte> sasuke781: it's not her fault you're a moron.
[03:37:11] <xpoint> phantomcircuit, and what 551 means :)
[03:37:14] <sasuke781> >_>
[03:37:19] <sasuke781> excuse you
[03:37:27] <phantomcircuit> lunaphyte, yes excuse you
[03:37:33] <lunaphyte> :)
[03:39:19] <lunaphyte> going around, asking questions that have never been asked before....  who do you think you are?
[03:39:19] <sasuke781> >_>
[03:39:26] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, seriously ask her if she knows what smtp is, if she says no ask for a manager
[03:39:37] <sasuke781> she wouldnt answer me
[03:39:44] <sasuke781> she kept telling me to call billing lol
[03:39:49] <sasuke781> like wtf lol
[03:39:56] <lunaphyte> well at least ask her if she knows what std is.
[03:40:01] <sasuke781> LOL
[03:40:09] <sasuke781> shes gone now
[03:40:10] <sasuke781> lol
[03:40:11] <phantomcircuit> sasuke781, did you hang up?
[03:40:15] <sasuke781> yea lol
[03:40:20] <phantomcircuit> oh no fun
[03:40:22] <sasuke781> lol
[03:40:38] <sasuke781> maybe ill do it to the next guy/girl
[03:40:38] <sasuke781> lol
[03:40:53] <sasuke781> its too long of wait time to call back now
[03:40:56] <sasuke781> brb
[03:41:18] <phantomcircuit> the first thing i do when i call tech support for any reason is ask a simple question about the tech, if they cant answer it i tell them politely that i have a cs degree and unless they have a phd i want to speak with their manager
[03:42:00] <phantomcircuit> the ones who refuse to transfer me always get a nice call to their managers direct line
[03:42:39] <rob0> cs degree :)
[03:42:48] <lunaphyte> eh, that's maybe a bit condescending.  someone can either help me or they can't, degree or not.
[03:42:51] <vice-versa> Catering Services
[03:43:35] <rob0> Someone around freenode, can't remember who, has a cute /quit message about that.
[03:44:22] <rob0> 14:55 -!- ktabic [n=ktabic at host81-133-77-224 dot in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit ["I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated"]
[03:44:27] <rob0> found it :)
[03:45:01] <alterlaszlo> trainined!
[03:45:08] <lunaphyte> heh
[03:45:09] <growltiger> ppl with computer science degrees are usually the most dense
[03:45:23] <rob0> They know where to point and click!
[03:46:04] <phantomcircuit> lunaphyte, only times i call tech support is because i specifically want something to be done by them, work order put in, something else, the first tier tech support people cant actually do any of that 99% of the time, so they are a total waste of time, but they solve 95% of peoples problems
[03:46:35] * alterlaszlo hates 550
[03:46:36] <growltiger> i've never taken a computer class in my life, yet i still get hired for senior sys admin jobs because they know experience counts more than a degree
[03:46:42] <phantomcircuit> hell if the person yells at me ill usually say well alright then maybe you can help me
[03:47:00] <rob0> Sometimes I can get by with tier one, their stupidity is not always an obstacle.
[03:47:10] <phantomcircuit> growltiger, yeah experience definitely trumps classes
[03:47:21] <phantomcircuit> growltiger, unfortunately more HR people don't get that :|
[03:47:43] <phantomcircuit> rob0, most of them simply dont have the access to do the stuff I need from them
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[03:48:05] <rob0> I guess that depends what the problem is.
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[03:48:11] <growltiger> yeah, that's why i skip applying for the ones that require a degree and only go fo the ones that say degree and/or relevant experience
[03:48:14] <eolo999> howdy hoo
[03:48:17] <phantomcircuit> the only tech support I have called where the tier 1 people had the ability to actually help me are the lenovo people
[03:48:32] <growltiger> lenova is good though
[03:48:39] <growltiger> they are not dell
[03:48:58] <phantomcircuit> rob0, see that's the thing i only call tech support when i need something done, not when i have a question,
[03:49:06] <phantomcircuit> oh god dell is the worst
[03:49:09] <vice-versa> I know I'm in for a treat when the support call starts with, "ok sir, click on the Start butto..." :(
[03:49:44] <phantomcircuit> "Hi my memory is broken, there are eight beeps at POST, can you send me another one?"... "Sir can you please reboot your computer"
[03:49:50] <growltiger> dell business support is ok, but the home user support...
[03:50:30] <phantomcircuit> it took me like 3 hours to get them to send me ram that was under warranty
[03:50:46] <phantomcircuit> it would have been easier to just work for those 3 hours and buy the fucking ram myself
[03:51:11] <vice-versa> that's what they were hoping
[03:51:15] <phantomcircuit> but it was marginally entertaining explaining to the 3 people that got the call from me just how stupid they were
[03:51:45] <rob0> Comcast's tier 1 can always reset my cable modem, so ...
[03:51:56] <rob0> anyway, afk
[03:58:12] <lunaphyte> angry fat kangaroo?
[03:59:08] <vice-versa> sounds dangerous
[03:59:18] <phantomcircuit> if I set "mydestination = " will postfix relay all email through the relayhost ?
[04:02:31] <growltiger> no
[04:02:54] <growltiger> set a relayhost
[04:03:23] <phantomcircuit> i did
[04:03:38] <phantomcircuit> only problem is that it's trying to deliver mail locally
[04:04:01] <phantomcircuit> www.covertinferno.org but mail.covertinferno.org is running the mail server
[04:04:12] <phantomcircuit> but it's trying to deliver it locally at www.covertinferno.org
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[04:05:21] <growltiger> !transport_maps
[04:05:22] <knoba> growltiger: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[04:05:58] <eolo999> me goes to sleep. 4 am here, but everything works now!!! thx guys and docs.
[04:06:05] * eolo999 goes to sleep. 4 am here, but everything works now!!! thx guys and docs.
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[04:10:30] <phantomcircuit> growltiger, * relay:
[04:10:41] <phantomcircuit> would that line relay anything to the relayhost?
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[05:11:09] <xpoint> 42
[05:13:54] <cos> hmm, I have in_flow_delay=10s but I can clearly see each smtpd process taking in messages much more quickly than that.
[05:14:18] <cos> shouldn't in_flow_delay cause each smtpd to wait that many seconds after each message it takes in, before the next one?
[05:15:19] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep rate_limit
[05:18:19] <cos> my rate_limits are at the default of 0
[05:18:25] <cos> documentation for both of them says: WARNING: The purpose of this feature is to limit abuse. It must not be used to regulate legitimate mail traffic.
[05:18:52] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep default
[05:19:12] <cos> which one do you mean?
[05:19:17] <xpoint> yes 0 is no limit
[05:19:36] <cos> (there are a lot of params with "default" in their name)
[05:19:44] <xpoint> :-)
[05:20:00] <cos> I know 0 disables the rate_limit parameters.  I think that's as it should be.  do you disagree?
[05:20:36] <cos> I'm not trying to deal with abuse, I'm trying to slow down legitimate traffic.  isn't in_flow_delay the right way to do that?
[05:21:22] <xpoint> i belive you want to try change:
[05:21:32] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep rate_delay
[05:22:04] <cos> there's no such parameter.
[05:23:22] <xpoint> then you dont have postfix
[05:23:53] <cos> also, I just went to postfix.org and searched for "rate_delay" and it found nothing.
[05:25:17] <xpoint> what postfix version ?
[05:25:35] <xpoint> i have rate_delay in 2.5.5
[05:26:31] <xpoint> keep in mind i show a grep :=)
[05:28:32] <vice-versa> cos: iirc it delays cleanup for $in_flow_delay *when* cleanup cannot get a token from qmgr
[05:29:13] <cos> xpoint: I have postfix 2.2, but if I can't find it on postfix.org I don't think it exists in 2.5 either
[05:29:49] <xpoint> cos, i need to show it ?
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[05:29:56] <cos> vice-versa: when does that happen?  I definitely have messages coming in more quickly than being delivered, which is what the doc says triggers in_flow_delay
[05:31:17] <cos> xpoint: what is the actual full name of the parameter you're talking about?
[05:31:18] <xpoint> cos, thats basicly how content_filter works
[05:31:30] <cos> I don't have a content_filter
[05:32:09] <vice-versa> cos: he speaks in riddles
[05:32:14] <vice-versa> !xpoint
[05:32:15] <knoba> vice-versa: "xpoint" : #postfix's yoda
[05:32:22] <xpoint> cos, so i dont understand the question to vice-versa
[05:32:28] <cos> ahhh
[05:33:36] <cos> vice-versa: that clears that up :)  but do you know why my in_flow_delay isn't trigerring even though messages are coming in more quickly than being delivered?
[05:33:41] <vice-versa> cos: I don't remember off the top of my head, think it's documented in qshape readme or scheduler readme
[05:34:35] <cos> qshape readme suggests in_flow_delay is triggerred when active queue is full.  huh.
[05:35:16] <cos> while postconf.5 says in_flow_delay is "Time to pause before accepting a new message, when the message arrival rate exceeds the message delivery rate."
[05:35:54] <cos> schedule readme doesn't have anything that looks relevant.
[05:36:01] <xpoint> bad doko
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[05:44:28] <vice-versa> cos: maybe you're hitting a system limitation like overwhelmed disk IO or similar
[05:45:00] <vice-versa> you might have better luck on the postfix mailing lists
[05:45:19] <vice-versa> !ml
[05:45:19] <knoba> vice-versa: "ml" : You could try asking on the postfix-users mailing list. Want to subscribe? See: http://www.postfix.org/lists.html
[05:45:37] * vice-versa packs it in for the night
[05:46:48] <vice-versa> !tune
[05:46:49] <knoba> vice-versa: "tune" : Postfix performance tuning: See http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html
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[09:47:22] <ktne> hello
[09:47:52] <ktne> is there any tutorial for easy implementation of an email server for a small number of users (max 10)?
[09:47:57] <e_> hi guys. i want mail to a remote destination be relayed over a certain host. i added @remote-domain smtp:[certain-host] to transport and executed postmap /etc/postfix/transport, however when i send mail via echo test | mail bla@remote-destination, it still goes over their MX
[09:48:05] <e_> how can i check what's wrong?
[09:50:51] <BBishop> ktne, http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual-users-and-domains-postfix-courier-mysql-fedora8 I liked this one :)
[09:51:08] <Mosu> e_: does the transport_maps parameter point to /etc/postfix/transport? and have you tried "remote-destination smtp:[certain-host]" in transport (without the "@")?
[09:51:27] <e_> Mosu: 1. yes, 2. no but i will now :)
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[09:52:59] <e_> ah that fixed it
[09:53:46] <e_> thx
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[09:56:02] <dan__t> Good morning.
[09:56:08] <e_> hmm.. okay now on that host i a get a relaying not allowed error, but i have the other host added to mynetwork and permit_mynetwork in master.cf
[09:56:17] <ktne> BBishop: thanks
[09:57:15] <BBishop> ktne, you welcome
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[10:45:58] <Desynced> so...after staring the the main.cf file for about 2 days it finally started making sense to me and i got it up and running
[10:46:50] <Desynced> must say it's alot simpler than it seems....however i havent gotten into messing with master.cf yet
[10:47:41] <Desynced> next thing is dovecot or cyrus.....i hear dovecot is preffred by alot of people so im gonna give taht a shot
[10:48:23] <adaptr> dovecot ftw
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[11:09:56] <Entroacceptor> I'm using courier, am I alone with that?
[11:09:59] <juggernought> hey
[11:10:22] <adaptr> pretty much
[11:10:38] <juggernought> can someone plz help me my company mail server got stuffed
[11:11:01] <adaptr> with animals ?
[11:11:25] <Entroacceptor> okay, so what's better about dovecot?
[11:11:26] <juggernought> the one guy left without gving me the root pass but ressetted it to what i wanted to be
[11:11:47] <juggernought> but postfix decided to stop receving local mail
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[11:11:54] <adaptr> juggernought: so is there an actual *problem* ?
[11:12:06] <juggernought> jip cant send mail
[11:12:12] <juggernought> ;)
[11:12:25] <adaptr> and your very functional mail logs tell you ?
[11:12:58] <juggernought> where do i find that running fedora7?
[11:14:48] <adaptr> hwo the fuck knows ? it's your system
[11:15:15] <adaptr> if you don't even know where to find LOGS - tel me what domain so I can avoid sending you mail
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[11:16:11] <juggernought> lol
[11:16:14] <juggernought> jip
[11:16:17] <juggernought> new here
[11:16:28] <juggernought> newb actuly
[11:18:03] <adaptr> okay, sucks to be you right now then :)
[11:18:20] <adaptr> logs on a UNIX system are normally found in /var/log - surprise!
[11:18:35] <adaptr> the system  mail log is usually called mail.log - wow!
[11:19:00] <adaptr> run tail -f /var/log/mail.log and send some local mail to see what happens
[11:20:28] <juggernought> brb
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[11:21:38] <Entroacceptor> oh. There's the domain...
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[11:34:46] <Desynced> was taht dude on irc as root on his mailserver for his company?
[11:34:48] <Desynced> ......
[11:35:07] <Desynced> * juggernought (n=root at mail dot armcoil.co.za)
[11:35:43] <Trengo> it looks like im on a mail server, but im not
[11:35:54] <Desynced> not you
[11:35:57] <Desynced> the other guy
[11:36:04] <Trengo> my boss wants the office FW name be mail
[11:36:05] <Desynced> who didnt know where logs were
[11:36:16] <Desynced> gotta love the bosses
[11:36:35] <Trengo> i have a lot of love for mine
[11:36:41] <Trengo> with a baseball bat
[11:37:39] <Desynced> lmao
[11:37:47] <Desynced> i had a boss at one point.....
[11:38:25] <Desynced> i found his directv pirating files on his machine
[11:39:59] <Desynced> and craigslist erotic services history in his web browser
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[11:59:16] <Trengo> mine gets off buying expensive routers from ebay
[11:59:25] <Desynced> lmao
[11:59:41] <Desynced> im running a cisco 850
[11:59:56] <Trengo> i've heard him call his wife telling her he's got something urgent at work and he'll miss dinner
[12:00:08] <Trengo> but all he does is surf ebay
[12:00:48] <Desynced> change his hosts file to send ebay to something found on 4chan
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[12:06:41] <stephen_> hello everyeone..
[12:06:45] <stephen_> Im in desperate need of some help
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[12:06:59] <stephen_> i have a mailgw routing mail to 3 different servers
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[12:07:42] <stephen_> im using transport to route the mail
[12:07:52] <js_> does anybody here use a HA cluster for your mail servers?
[12:07:59] <stephen_> how do i get something changed from inbound stephen at blah dot com to stpehen at lists dot blah.com in a rewrite?
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[12:12:31] <f3ew> virtual_alias_maps?
[12:17:31] <stephen_> f3ew got a nice howto?
[12:19:16] <rob0> !virtual
[12:19:16] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[12:19:24] <rob0> and "man 5 virtual"
[12:19:35] <rob0> also
[12:19:45] <rob0> !maincf virtual_alias_maps
[12:19:45] <knoba> rob0: Error: "maincf" is not a valid command.
[12:19:53] <rob0> !main_cf virtual_alias_maps
[12:19:53] <knoba> rob0: Error: "main_cf" is not a valid command.
[12:19:57] <rob0> grr
[12:21:41] <xpoint> !xpoint
[12:21:42] <knoba> xpoint: "xpoint" : #postfix's yoda
[12:22:28] <sysmonk> ;)))
[12:22:36] <sysmonk> f3ew: heil
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[12:27:20] <unevermetme> !virtual_uid_maps
[12:27:20] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.
[12:27:24] <f3ew> lo sysmonk
[12:27:36] <f3ew> !virtual_alias_maps
[12:27:37] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[12:31:38] <sysmonk> i think my amavis leaves some garbage after it
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[12:51:02] <stanman1> hi, how can i let postfix send mail via a relay server (paid) to i.e. @hotmail.com addresses?
[12:51:19] <sysmonk> !relayhost
[12:51:20] <knoba> sysmonk: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[12:51:21] <sysmonk> stanman1: ^^
[12:51:28] <xpoint> why do you ask stanman1 ?
[12:51:29] <sysmonk> ah, only to hotmail.com ? then
[12:51:34] <stanman1> yup
[12:51:34] <sysmonk> !transport_maps
[12:51:35] <knoba> sysmonk: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[12:51:38] <sysmonk> stanman1: ^^
[12:51:58] <stanman1> sysmonk: thanks!
[12:52:30] <xpoint> sysmonk, its a bad ideer to make stupid transports in postfix for this kind of problems when stanman1 dont have say what his problem is
[12:54:24] <xpoint> stanman1, remember transport_maps ignore the recipient host mx records and this can or may be another problem you will face later
[12:55:28] <stanman1> xpoint & sysmonk: i'm trying to send mail via postfix to my @hotmail.com account and am getting NDR's back, because of Micro$oft's policy of not accepting mail from dyn ip's
[12:56:02] <xpoint> stanman1, okay then use your isp with relayhost
[12:56:22] <stanman1> well... they're having massive problems (versatel)
[12:56:26] <stanman1> so mail is not sent
[12:56:29] <xpoint> only other way to do it properly is using dyndns
[12:56:52] <stanman1> i've bought mailHop from dyndns and can send 150 mails a day via them
[12:57:02] <rob0> Perhaps the relayhost is trying to return bounces to bad sender addresses?
[12:57:14] <xpoint> super add them as relayhost then
[12:57:31] <rob0> !dynamic
[12:57:32] <knoba> rob0: "dynamic" : If your server is using a dynamic IP, (DHCP leased IP address), you should consider using your ISP's SMTP server to relay for you as many dynamically assigned IP address spaces are listed within DNSBLs reducing the likelihood of successfully delivering mail to many servers. See the !relayhost factoid. If your ISP requires SASL auth see the !sasl & !saslclient factoids
[12:58:07] <stanman1> just to make sure only the 'bounced' mail domians are used, i want to be able to add/remove them from a sort of list which would be using the relayhost
[12:58:34] <stanman1> (dutch) ;) (if i don't have to pay for it, i would like not to do so...)
[12:59:18] <rob0> You don't know how many there will be. Mine, for one, is among them. You simply cannot expect to be able to run outbound mail on a dynamic IP. Many sites, large and small, will reject you.
[13:00:33] <stanman1> hmm... i can monitor the amount of mails being relayed via dyndns, so i'll just have a look at that then.
[13:01:03] <xpoint> stanman1, complains go to your isp thay have to provide you a way to send mail out with outlook
[13:01:31] <stanman1> ur right, but customer service is really bad....
[13:02:16] <xpoint> tell them about it
[13:02:17] <stanman1> so i'll be using the dyndns option i guess. It's temporarely so, if they're up again, i'd change it.
[13:02:38] <xpoint> yes dyndns if isp is clueless
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[13:02:54] <stanman1> i'll give it a shot
[13:04:20] <rob0> !hotmail
[13:04:20] <knoba> rob0: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.
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[13:05:21] <rob0> Hotmail is the worst (clueless) of the major freemail services. You might spend a lot of time trying to get them to accept your mail, and still not succeed.
[13:07:44] <jduggan> must say though, their postmaster response is very good
[13:08:06] <strummula> hello, i'm trying to migrate an existing postfixadmin installation. I installed postfixadmin and all gone well. Now: postfixadmin setup.php is asking me to create a superadmin account. Where this information will get memorized?
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[13:08:17] <jduggan> i had a problem with 2 servers blacklisted and had a response within 4hours saying my servers have been removed (after i offered the cause and the remedy)
[13:09:00] <rob0> But don't you have to sign up for an account to be able to contact them? I know they don't read postmaster at hotmail dot com .
[13:11:32] <jduggan> ah, yea well i'd signed up w/a passport account for their SNDS service
[13:11:35] <jduggan> previously
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[13:12:36] <freqmod_qu> the postgresql for postfix manual reads:
[13:12:39] <freqmod_qu>  Whenever queries fail with an error at one host, the rest of the hosts will be tried in random order.
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[13:12:56] <freqmod_qu> does that mean that the first host allways will be called if it is available?
[13:13:37] <jduggan> yes i believe it uses them in order
[13:14:06] <xpoint> freqmod_qu, postfix works as if first match wins, this olso does include if you define 2 maps with 2 diff sql servers
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[13:15:02] <freqmod_qu> xpoint: ok, so if i use the first one for realtime data and only make backups with to the last one it will use the most updated data if possible
[13:15:12] <freqmod_qu> *backups to
[13:16:07] <xpoint> first match is olso on negative match, so no
[13:16:36] <xpoint> but postfix will still try both maps if defined
[13:17:03] <freqmod_qu> xpoint: i was not thinking about maps, only two hosts with sql
[13:17:41] <xpoint> does not make sense with one maps and 2 servers
[13:17:41] <stanman1> where's the maillog?
[13:17:50] <rob0> Wow, multiple pgsql servers? This must be a big site.
[13:18:12] <xpoint> rob0, more a big problem :)
[13:18:37] <stanman1> sry. mail.info....
[13:18:39] <freqmod_qu> rob0: no, but we want to have a backup when the webserver goes down (which users the sql server) and everybody sends complaints
[13:19:07] <xpoint> freqmod_qu, in that case ask them to pay for there own server
[13:19:36] <freqmod_qu> the point is that the webapp is used to update the mail maps
[13:20:37] <xpoint> if the server is down then no mail is lost anyway
[13:21:08] <freqmod_qu> but we want the mail to work so we can debug the other problems
[13:21:29] <xpoint> mails will be remotely backupped until 5 days old pr default
[13:22:23] <tuxtoti> i have no idea how mails are sent..so this possibly could be a very dumb question: is it possible that the mail headers can have no "Recieved : from" entry?
[13:22:42] <xpoint> tuxtoti, no
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[13:23:14] <xpoint> there is always minimal one recived header from the last mta the recieved it
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[13:35:10] <stanman1> wow.... :( had a lot of bounces, via dynds... went from 1 sent mail to 74. lol
[13:35:30] <tuxtoti> xpoint: yeah... so i have got a mail(on my yahoo) from a user who has a gmail id... so there is one recieved from which points to an ip ...(the location points to california, US which is nothing but the google's server) ...but i thought i will get a full track of email that was sent
[13:35:51] <tuxtoti> xpoint: like the sender's machine's ip... and any middleman.. etc..
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[13:37:09] <xpoint> tuxtoti, gmail/yahoo uses dkim/domainkey so this is a good sign of being sendt from there hosts
[13:38:00] <rob0> Most freemail providers show the originating IP in headers. Gmail is a notable exception, thus very popular with 419's. I think 90% of the 419's I see come from gmail.
[13:38:02] <xpoint> tuxtoti, gmail olso uses spf/senderid
[13:38:50] <xpoint> rob0, aka nigeria letters ?
[13:39:49] <tuxtoti> so guys, in essence i can't know the sender's ip if he uses gmail ?
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[13:40:30] <xpoint> tuxtoti, in teories no
[13:41:26] <xpoint> tuxtoti, but i have no problem stopping spam from gmail either
[13:43:33] <stanman1> darn.... I have 2 mailservers on site, one is receiving the mail from the outside world and is forwarding some mail to the other mailserver (both postfix). If i use the relayhost, the mail get's bounced because the mail forwarded goes outside first, not using the 1st server's dns... should i use transport maps now?
[13:46:23] <xpoint> stanman1, add proxy_interfaces=wan-ip solves it
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[13:48:41] <xpoint> stanman1, but better show logs and or postconf -n from both servers, it can be complicated to guess like i do
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[13:50:45] <jacekowski> hi
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[13:53:04] <Desynced> wow ram has gotten so cheap
[13:53:28] <jacekowski> i have some e-mail adresses like all@company something_else@company which shouldn't be known to anybody outside company
[13:54:02] <stanman1> now we know...
[13:54:53] <Desynced> well....hate to break it to you but someone else will find them out :P
[13:55:12] <jacekowski> and because lot of people send e-mails to outside adresses and internal and put them both in to CC or BCC
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[13:55:24] <jacekowski> CC or To *
[13:55:35] <Desynced> man...not to be rude...but please finish this in 1 line
[13:56:06] <skar> hi, is there any db logging hook for postfix, so that, i can for eg look at all reject_non_fqdn_sender mails?
[13:56:28] <jacekowski> is there any way to remove this addresses from headers?
[13:56:53] <f3ew> use syslog-ng
[13:56:53] <xpoint> skar, google ulogd
[13:56:57] <f3ew> Or Perl
[13:57:24] <skar> xpoint: thanks will look it up, looked into pflogsumm but it doesn't cut it
[13:57:45] <xpoint> f3ew, yes some versions of syslog-ng can native log to sql olso
[14:00:09] <skar> xpoint: well ulogd  seems to be netfilter's user space logger, how does it tie with postfix? can't find any good links?
[14:00:56] <skar> f3ew: hmm so syslog-ng to db, where i run some trigger or something and parse the logs and log it structurally?
[14:01:23] <f3ew> yes
[14:01:24] <xpoint> skar, its still use syslog api to log, but ulogd can use sql if you want it or send future to syslog-ng in chained syslog style
[14:01:25] <skar> f3ew: seems nobody has done it before, maybe i'm onto something here, or i'm asking for a feature bloat!?!?
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[14:01:52] <f3ew> skar, most people do this as part of their log analysis
[14:02:03] <f3ew> not a Postfix thing
[14:02:26] <rob0> Postfix logs to syslog. Some have asked for other logging features; those have not been implemented.
[14:02:42] <skar> xpoint: ok, still the parsing isn't there, hmmm dunno if i can adapt current log analysis tools to suit me, but that seems the only remaining choice, short of changing postfix, which makes me faint
[14:03:32] <xpoint> skar, patches to postfix is welcome if you make one good syslog alternative that is better then syslog :)
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[14:07:24] <juggernought> hey back
[14:08:43] <juggernought> adaptr
[14:08:51] <juggernought> ar u there?
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[14:26:02] <stanman1> xpoint: on one server ispconfig is running with a dozen domain names. It seems that if i add the relayhost, mails get bounced, because the mail for the domains want to go outside
[14:27:19] <xpoint> stanman1, needs logs to show the problem with postconf -n
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[14:28:17] <xpoint> stanman1, its your servers and your problem as long this is not shown
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[14:31:33] <Jayzee> I have a sever running postfix aswell as a bunch of domains. these domains are added to virtual_alias_domains and all seems to work OK. But, if I try to send mail to a receipiant that is not in virtual table the mail bounces (User unknown in virtual alias table). I would like mail to this user to be sent to MX defined in domain and not local server. Possible?
[14:32:07] <Jayzee> BTW, the mail sent is generated by php script on the same machine
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[14:32:40] <xpoint> Jayzee, i take the crystall ball here and see in topic :)
[14:34:06] <Jayzee> xpoint: postfixwiki.org ?
[14:34:54] <skar> hi, how do i reject mails from connections where a spam/virus bot sends me the mail before the server even gives out the 250 ready prompt?
[14:35:00] <xpoint> olso a option yes
[14:35:59] <xpoint> skar, 42
[14:36:23] <skar> xpoint: 42?
[14:36:37] <xpoint> skar, show logs as stated in topic
[14:37:47] <skar> xpoint: i'm migrating from a qpsmtpd-qmail combo to postfix, and qpsmtpd has this drop early talker plugin, so just wanted to migrate that setting over to postfix
[14:38:54] <xpoint> Results for qpsmtpd postfix: 1. qpsmtpd with postfix - a tutorial: http://www.hjp.at/projekte/qpsmtpd/tutorial.rxml | 2. Qpsmtpd: MTA integration and testing: http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid39_gci1237459,00.html | 3. [svn:qpsmtpd] r668 - in branches/0.3x: lib/Qpsmtpd/Postfix plugins ...: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cvs.qpsmtpd/2006/10/msg532.html
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[14:43:05] <skar> xpoint: thanks for the urls, but i thought of dumping qpsmtpd altogether, as it doesn't have features like reject_unknown_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender/recipient etc
[14:43:34] <skar> xpoint: only early talker seems missing in postfix, which is there in qpsmtpd, everything else and more is there in postfix already :0
[14:43:37] <skar> :)
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[14:44:48] <xpoint> skar, yes so much power from qmail :)
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[14:47:16] <vice-versa> skar: sounds to me you're looking for reject_unauth_pipelining which is typically used in smtpd_data_restrictions
[14:48:20] <vice-versa> !reject_unauth_pipelining
[14:48:21] <knoba> vice-versa: Error: "reject_unauth_pipelining" is not a valid command.
[14:48:25] <vice-versa> bah
[14:48:55] <skar> vice-versa: yup seems like this is what i've been searching for, just that i didn't realize the meaning of this option
[14:49:01] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#reject_unauth_pipelining
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[14:50:34] <HansTheGerman> how can postfix save bandwith
[14:50:51] <Dominian> it can't
[14:50:52] <skar> xpoint: yup postfix over qmail anyday
[14:51:03] <vice-versa> skar: there is a good cheatsheet factoid for pre-data spam control that covers this and more
[14:51:39] <skar> vice-versa: well, the description is cryptic, for unauth_pipelining, listing out cases where its used outside data restrictions, hope that doesn't affect my case
[14:52:50] <vice-versa> skar: see also smtpd_helo_required
[14:52:54] <vice-versa> !smtpd_helo_required
[14:52:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "smtpd_helo_required" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Require that a remote SMTP client introduces itself at the beginning of an SMTP session with the HELO or EHLO command.
[14:53:48] <vice-versa> !cheatsheet
[14:53:49] <knoba> vice-versa: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[14:56:43] <HansTheGerman> how can postfix save bandwith like BarricadeMX
[14:57:04] <skar> vice-versa: thanks a lot, looking into this unauth_pipeline stuff
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[15:00:44] <strummula> what if i don't have mailman installed but there is an entry in master.cf referring to it?
[15:00:56] <strummula> i must disable it or i can also ignore?
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[15:11:09] <xpoint> vice-versa, update it  list.dsbl.org, gone
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[15:13:23] <strummula> !master.cf
[15:13:24] <knoba> strummula: "master.cf" : the process configuration file. Each logical line describes how a Postfix service will be run. See "man 8 pipe" for more information.
[15:14:00] <strummula> !postfix-files
[15:14:00] <knoba> strummula: Error: "postfix-files" is not a valid command.
[15:14:06] <strummula> !postfix files
[15:14:06] <knoba> strummula: Error: "postfix" is not a valid command.
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[15:15:30] <stephen__> hi guys.. if an email address is not in transport or canonical names is there a way of rejecting it?
[15:15:35] <eolo999> hi, which is the webmail system that you guys consider the best?
[15:15:50] <eolo999> of course to sit on top of postfix...
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[15:16:01] <Tykling> I recently switched from squirrel to roundcube but it depends a lot on what you need obviously :)
[15:16:44] <stephen__> I back roundcube.. its sexy!
[15:17:35] <Trengo> there's atmail free version
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[15:18:20] <eolo999> thx folk, i have to manage no more than 20 accounts...
[15:18:36] <stephen__> roundcube :-) or squirrell
[15:18:53] * eolo999 thinks 'sexy' is a good argument...
[15:19:14] <stephen__> eolo999  ;-)
[15:20:07] * eolo999 gives a deeper look to roundcube and will report...
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[15:43:38] <vice-versa> xpoint: it's not mine to update
[15:44:10] <xpoint> vice-versa, okay, dont promote it then :)
[15:45:15] <xpoint> okay i see it as a big mess mostly since alot of it can be done with internal restrctions in postfix
[15:45:33] <vice-versa> what, because it uses an expired DNSBL it's now completely worthless?
[15:45:55] <sysmonk> woflez
[15:45:57] <xpoint> i did not say that
[15:46:03] <sysmonk> good to have people on ignore list :)
[15:46:24] <xpoint> sysmonk, so ignore me please :)
[15:46:32] <vice-versa> !xpoint
[15:46:33] <knoba> vice-versa: "xpoint" : #postfix's yoda
[15:46:44] <vice-versa> he's entertaining at times ;0
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[15:47:08] <sysmonk> yeah, too much entertaining with telling the wrong stuff
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[15:47:39] <xpoint> sysmonk, what ?
[15:47:39] <sysmonk> and never admiting it ;)
[15:47:51] <xpoint> sysmonk, admit what ?
[15:48:18] <vice-versa> well we're all guilty of that, but yeah some are worse than others
[15:49:26] <xpoint> sysmonk, i will admit anything if you tell me what to admit
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[15:53:01] <anders_l> hi!
[15:53:56] <anders_l> can i have in transport domain.com smtp:[ip]:[ip2] ?
[15:54:03] <xpoint> !sysmonk
[15:54:04] <knoba> xpoint: "sysmonk" : evil
[15:54:43] <Roobarb> anders_l: no
[15:55:14] <anders_l> Roobarb: okie other sugestion on how to have that conf ?
[15:55:21] <Roobarb> anders_l: you can have "domain.com smtp:mx-goes-here.domain.com"
[15:55:36] <Roobarb> and have more than one IP address for that hostname
[15:55:44] <Roobarb> I assume thats what you're trying to do?
[15:56:09] <anders_l> ok.. but i dont want a dns to be involved
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[15:56:36] <Roobarb> anders_l: ok lets rewind a bit; what _are_ you trying to do?
[15:58:39] <anders_l> MTA mails to a relay server thats on a DMZ kinda net. the MTA's on DMZ relays to a customer
[15:59:31] <anders_l> the DMZ  dont have dns or internet access
[16:00:16] <anders_l> i hade this setup in sendmail and mailertable...
[16:00:46] <Roobarb> MTA is where? on the Internet?
[16:01:16] <anders_l> nope its a priv net no access more than mail and ssh
[16:01:34] <xpoint> create a iptable rule then
[16:01:50] <Roobarb> relayhost
[16:01:53] <Roobarb> !relayhost
[16:01:53] <knoba> Roobarb: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[16:02:04] <Roobarb> meh
[16:02:20] <cos> anders: which server is the one that needs the transport rule to two IPs?  why is it domain-specific?
[16:02:22] <Roobarb> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#relayhost
[16:02:23] <xpoint> Roobarb, he runs mta in dmz
[16:03:03] <Roobarb> I'd use that on the internal MTA, pointing at the DMZ relay. Then on the relay have a transport_map to the customers server
[16:04:44] <Roobarb> xpoint: what he's described sounds like (to me):   Internal <-> DMZ_MTA <-> External_customer
[16:05:11] <xpoint> Roobarb, olso what i get from it
[16:06:06] <anders_l> cos: the internal MTA
[16:06:50] <anders_l> cos: because the domain that the mail goes to is on internet to... but i need to force mail through this DMZ net
[16:08:42] <MarkRichman> Can a wildcard cert (*.example.com) be used with TLS?
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[16:27:01] <sysmonk> everybody, welcome cpm ! :P
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[16:30:23] * cpm bows
[16:30:33] <xpoint> !sysmonk
[16:30:33] <knoba> xpoint: "sysmonk" : evil
[16:30:56] <vice-versa> hey cpm
[16:31:11] <vice-versa> we were getting worried
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[16:31:43] <cpm> vice-versa, sorry about that. I just haven't been online for a week or so. didn't really have it in me to fiddle with computers
[16:32:44] <vice-versa> we had tentative plans of sending someone certified in cpr out to the farm to check on you ;)
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[16:35:27] <cpm> heh
[16:36:26] <xpoint> http://www.retro-data.com/images/calculadora_cambridge_sinclair.jpg
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[16:39:13] <Dominian> !rob0
[16:39:14] <knoba> Dominian: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
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[16:42:57] <vice-versa> cpm: I jest, wb
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[16:49:39] <MarcWeber> Which is the default user mailbox lecation to which local emails are saved to?
[16:50:29] <vice-versa> postconf mail_spool_directory
[16:50:47] <MarcWeber> thx
[16:53:01] <f3ew> hey cpbills
[16:53:03] <f3ew> cpm
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[16:59:19] <stephen__> hi guys.. which happens first.. transport or canonical?
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[17:00:12] <cpm> lo f3ew how U?
[17:00:28] <f3ew> good
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[17:09:58] <MarkRichman> I'm setting up a VMware linux guest just for postfix...how much ram should I allocate? I expect no more than 50 emails a day to relay through the box
[17:10:35] <MarcWeber> Whihc is the manpage to read to get to know the syntax of .forward?
[17:10:45] <sysmonk> you know, 50 emails .... all of them might be sent in the same second
[17:10:47] <sysmonk> ;)
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[17:11:05] <MarcWeber> MarkRichman: I guess less than 256 would suffice..
[17:11:07] <sysmonk> it's more of how much mails / s, not how much mails / day :)
[17:11:19] <sysmonk> but yeah, <=256 should be enough
[17:11:26] <sysmonk> also, depending on if you'll do scaning
[17:11:33] <sysmonk> and what kind of scaning ( i mean antispam )
[17:11:48] <MarcWeber> no clue. still noob
[17:12:16] <sysmonk> MarcWeber: that was to MarkRichman, not you :)
[17:13:17] <MarkRichman> not doing any scanning....just establishing TLS and sending a few emails a day tops
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[17:24:00] <MarcWeber> Which is the way to forward mailso to another host? adding localuser : remoteuser at targethost dot com to .forward results in  unkown user: <localuser:remoteuser at targethost dot com>
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[17:27:05] <bagigio> hi
[17:27:17] <bagigio> I have a problem with postfix
[17:28:17] <bagigio> I want to use a simple autentication but I dont find nothing
[17:28:33] <bagigio> I found only how to use tls encription
[17:28:39] <vice-versa> !sasl
[17:28:40] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[17:29:12] <bagigio> but I want to use a simply autentication with a username and a password not encrypted
[17:29:22] <bagigio> can someone help me?
[17:30:48] <MarcWeber> bagigio: Maybe have a look at that page and search for "plain".
[17:31:55] <vice-versa> tls is not mandatory with sasl though it's *highly* recommended
[17:32:25] <bagigio> thx MarcWeber
[17:32:36] <cpm> so highly as to be extreme, as in do you have a really staggeringly good reason *not* to use tls?
[17:32:47] <vice-versa> indeed
[17:32:55] <mio> lo all, how would one set the aliases? I am using LDAP for user lookups
[17:32:58] <mio> hi vice-versa
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[17:33:39] <vice-versa> mio: hey
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[17:35:41] <vice-versa> mio: replace the existing local aliases implementation with an ldap equivalent
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[17:58:32] <deadpigeon> Wondering if anyones used Maia Mailguard and what they thought of it...
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[18:00:46] <Trengo> i liked it
[18:00:58] <Trengo> not using it but i considered the idea
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[18:01:09] <Trengo> the developers are in here, round the corner
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[18:04:10] <deadpigeon> Trying to fine tune spamassassin, using amavisd, having a lot of issues. This was another admin's configuration and it seems everything I do has no effect.
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[18:04:28] <jonez> are you changing the right config file, deadpigeon?
[18:04:49] <xpoint> i have always dreamed about have a maia install, but i hate the fact that i need to patch core amavisd to get it to work
[18:05:03] <deadpigeon> I assume so, there is only one local.cf. spamassassin --lint reads that file and doesn't come back with errors.
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[18:07:08] <deadpigeon> I like the idea that me and other employees can manage the spam from a web interface.
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[18:07:40] <deadpigeon> So I'm considering moving over to Maia, maybe even by today if I can find a painless how to.
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[18:18:03] <Dominian> deadpigeon: you already use amavisd-new?
[18:18:59] <seekwill> Managing spam?
[18:19:18] <Dominian> maia mailguard is basically a one-stop shop for spam/virus based on amavisd-new..
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[18:21:49] <seekwill> Why would anyone want to "manage spam" centrally?
[18:22:18] <Supaplex> gives the aoler mentality the perception of controlling it
[18:22:34] <Dominian> heh
[18:22:35] <deadpigeon> Dominian: Yes we're already using amavisd-new.
[18:22:39] * Dominian nods
[18:22:41] <Dominian> then you should be fine.
[18:22:49] <Dominian> I've not used maia.. but it appears to be pretty much the same thing
[18:23:06] <deadpigeon> Patching amavis is it's biggest downfall.
[18:23:11] * Dominian nods
[18:23:27] <Dominian> well.. dunno if they trully patch it, but maia runs its own amavsid-new-like daemon I thought..
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[18:23:37] <Dominian> unless you have to install amavisd-new and patch that... that's messed up
[18:23:43] <Temporo> Afternoon :)
[18:23:55] <Supaplex> they have their own fork of amavisd-new
[18:23:58] <deadpigeon> And I'm not interested in taking the spam server down.... we're an isp and a lot of spam is still getting through, SA isn't taking the rules I've been giving it...
[18:24:12] <Dominian> sa-update ftw
[18:24:13] <f3ew> deadpigeon #spamassassin might help
[18:24:20] <f3ew> Also, are you using a DNSBL or two?
[18:24:23] <deadpigeon> sa-update I run on a regular basis.
[18:24:25] <Supaplex> amavisd-new-maia-fork-thats-not-totally-the-amavisd-we-all-know-fork-daemon
[18:24:27] <deadpigeon> no dnsbl.
[18:24:33] <f3ew> deadpigeon fix that :)
[18:24:44] <Dominian> ouch
[18:24:46] <Dominian> dnsbl is dead
[18:24:48] <Dominian> heh
[18:24:51] <Temporo> I have set up postfix on a debian server and i can receive mail for the domians i have on there
[18:24:52] <Dominian> has been for a while now
[18:25:08] <Temporo> But when i send mail by any user i get the same default domain name
[18:25:08] <deadpigeon> I didn't like what I've read about dnsbl.
[18:25:26] <Temporo> How can I change it to the domain owned by the unix user?
[18:26:00] <seekwill> deadpigeon: How large of an ISP?
[18:26:08] <deadpigeon> The simpliest fix would be to get spamassassin to actually use the rules I've written for it. btw, fyi #spamassassin is a pretty dead channel.
[18:27:01] <deadpigeon> seekwill: we use to have a large dial-up base, now we're down to something like 2700 dial-up customers, 250 or so wireless customers, 100 dryloop/dsl customers and climbing.
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[18:27:48] <seekwill> deadpigeon: Have you ever looked at commercial solutions? I've had really good luck with Cloudmark, though they can be a bit pricy.
[18:28:30] <deadpigeon> I've looked into them. Commercial solutions are a possibility for the future, we're about to become a phone company and that is where the real money is, until then I'm sticking to opensource/free software.
[18:29:08] <deadpigeon> Anyways, there is no reason why SA wouldn't take my rules, which makes me think running sa-update is pointless as well, as I've done it and seen no difference.
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[18:29:39] <seekwill> After RBLs, Cloudmark catches like 10 spams for everyone SA catches, and that's without SA rules. We're really happy with it.
[18:29:44] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[18:29:45] <knoba> f3ew: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[18:30:24] <deadpigeon> I've got that text printed out and on my desk, it was a big help a few days ago, fixed postfix right up.
[18:30:36] <gpled> how do you catch an email missing the TO: address?
[18:30:44] <f3ew> gpled with SA?
[18:30:58] <f3ew> deadpigeon, use the DNSBLs listed in there
[18:31:01] <gpled> was thinking with postfix
[18:31:16] <gpled> SA catches lots of it
[18:31:51] <gpled> would like to say, hey, if the email has no TO: i don't want it
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[18:32:22] <seekwill> gpled: You might want to say "missing the To: header"
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[18:34:58] <gpled> I think so spambots put RCPT TO: but leave the TO: out or set it to undisclosed-recipients:
[18:35:02] <Supaplex> by default, how long will mail stay in the queue waiting for the next mail server to deliver to?  I have a relay for one domain that'll go offline in a few days, and I was wondering if I can just let it sit the two days, or reconfigure to deliver locally and reinject it later with fetchmail.
[18:35:18] <gpled> undisclosed-recipients: may be coming from postfix
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[18:35:51] <f3ew> Supaplex 5 days max, between 1000 and 4000 sec to retry
[18:36:29] <gpled> maximal_queue_lifetime =
[18:36:51] <gpled> thats from main.cf
[18:37:09] <Supaplex> postconf maximal_queue_lifetime  = maximal_queue_lifetime = 5d
[18:37:11] <Supaplex> thanks =)
[18:37:13] <xpoint> enveloppe recipient is not always equal as to:
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[18:38:22] <gpled> xpoint: RCPT TO is not always equal To  ?
[18:38:31] <xpoint> currect
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[18:39:24] <gpled> xpoint: i don't doubt you.  can you explain an example when they should be different?
[18:39:58] <xpoint> when there is multirecipient is one example
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[18:40:34] <gpled> xpoint: would you put the multirecipient in the TO: ?
[18:40:51] <xpoint> see mua how thay do it
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[18:41:08] <gpled> k
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[18:42:00] <xpoint> undisclosed recipients is when postfix does not find any to: in body not in header
[18:42:35] <gpled> xpoint: thanks for clearing that up. i was suspecting that
[18:42:51] <seekwill> gpled: Imagine the MAIL FROM and RCPT TO as the info on the outside of an envelope, and the To: header being the letter inside the envelope. They don't have to match...
[18:43:03] <xpoint> and still undisclosed recipient can be ham mail to olso
[18:43:26] <gpled> xpoint: yep
[18:44:05] <gpled> i use my restrictions selectively.  for instance, i would make a class and say, i don
[18:44:29] <gpled> i use my restrictions selectively.  for instance, i would make a class and say, i don't want email with out a TO: for this at example dot com
[18:44:36] <gpled> sorry, bumped the keyboard
[18:44:54] <xpoint> gpled, it olso have taked me some time to figure out how this part works in a mta, but i belive now i know pretty much how its is now
[18:46:03] <xpoint> gpled, remember postfix policy is pr recipient, but header test is not olso
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[18:49:25] <gpled> wow, have not seen a Hoodia spam in a long time
[18:50:48] <xpoint> doh you like spam ?
[18:51:20] <gpled> i do, everyone i get, makes my system stronger
[18:51:39] <seekwill> Or bloated...
[18:52:18] <gpled> have honey pot accounts
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[18:52:23] <deadpigeon> From what I've come to understand, spamhaus is going to charge us money for their use of their dnsbl, whats the point in using this service if it's only good for 30 days?
[18:52:48] <Dominian> deadpigeon: if you exceed the amount for "free" use.. you'll be firewalled until you purchase a feed
[18:53:04] <seekwill> deadpigeon: Well, you are a commercial entity. Why not pay for it?
[18:53:17] <Dominian> yep
[18:53:22] <Dominian> its definitely worth the 250bucks lol
[18:53:26] <seekwill> :)
[18:53:28] <Dominian> its not that damn expensive.
[18:53:36] <deadpigeon> well, the quote I got from them was definitely not 250 dollars..
[18:53:39] <Dominian> for a personal user like myself it is.. but for a compnay..
[18:53:45] <Dominian> deadpigeon: what was the quote?
[18:53:51] <Dominian> it all depends on how much usage
[18:53:52] <seekwill> Dominian: I would pay $250
[18:54:08] <deadpigeon> 27 hundred or so, based on our accounts
[18:54:15] <seekwill> Per year?
[18:54:25] <deadpigeon> I believe so.
[18:54:27] <seekwill> That's not a bad price
[18:54:30] <Dominian> deadpigeon: If you don't like that.. look at a commercial spam appliance like barricademx or something
[18:54:37] <seekwill> Cloudmark :)
[18:54:44] <Dominian> heh
[18:55:04] <seekwill> No, I don't work for them. Just had a great experience with them/their product.
[18:55:25] <gpled> its the new economy, you create a problem that you already have a solution for.  then charge people for the "solution"
[18:55:53] <seekwill> spamhaus spams people?
[18:55:54] <gpled> or charge them, to ovoid the problem
[18:56:03] <Dominian> eh
[18:56:11] <Dominian> spamhaus isn't something that's "new"
[18:56:24] <Dominian> they are reliable because they are good at what they do.. which is why if I could afford it.. I WOULD purchase a feed
[18:56:48] <deadpigeon> well, if we could afford it we would purchase one too.
[18:57:00] <Dominian> commercial entity...
[18:57:02] <seekwill> deadpigeon: $2700 is $225/month or $8/day. You can't tell us your company cannot afford that
[18:57:04] <Dominian> how manyh people you employ?
[18:57:16] <f3ew> seekwill, depends on the margins you have
[18:57:17] <gpled> most of the spam i see is from hotmail, gmail, and yahoo.  though gmail has been going down
[18:57:21] <deadpigeon> ive taken a cut in pay just to keep our head above water at the moment.
[18:57:27] <f3ew> :|
[18:57:33] <seekwill> :/
[18:57:55] <f3ew> deadpigeon, you should still be able to use cbl.abuseat.org and dnsbl.sorbs.net
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[18:58:10] <deadpigeon> we have a million dollars invested in a phone service that has taken 4 years to get going, verizon/fairpoint has not been very kind to the small guys.
[18:58:46] <gpled> smells of voip problems
[18:59:05] <deadpigeon> so, adding the reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org line will check against their bl?
[18:59:20] <f3ew> yes
[18:59:37] <deadpigeon> we havnt touched voip yet, my asterisk server is sitting there pretty lonely.
[18:59:42] <Dominian> deadpigeon: My comapny does hosted voip solitions ;)
[18:59:49] <deadpigeon> we're trying to get our copper lines up first.
[18:59:52] <Dominian> sip trunking with asterisk etc ;)
[19:00:37] <gpled> just my opinion, but voip needs to wait for ipv6
[19:02:23] <seekwill> We all need ipv6
[19:02:38] <deadpigeon> heh, we got five thousand customers waiting for our copper line phone service, which we're starting at 10$ a month. we'll have plenty of money for spamhaus when that's the case =/
[19:03:02] <seekwill> :/
[19:03:02] <Dominian> gpled: uhh why?
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[19:03:27] <Dominian> gpled: IPv4 or IPv6 means nada to hosted voip providers
[19:03:56] <gpled> Dominian: well, on thing i dislike on ipv4 and voip, is nat
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[19:04:15] * Dominian shrugs
[19:04:20] <Dominian> gpled: that's still nota  valid reason.
[19:04:24] <Dominian> voip nats just fine
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[19:04:52] <gpled> and i like the ipv6 headers and encryption better then ipv4
[19:04:59] <Dominian> so do I
[19:05:08] <seekwill> I'm waiting for ipv7
[19:05:10] <Dominian> but stopping voip because ipv6 turn out isn't quite there yet.. is just... dumb
[19:06:05] <gpled> Dominian: you rush into voip in ipv4.  im am just waiting till ipv6.
[19:06:30] <gpled> but, bet mine will roll out much easier
[19:06:45] * Dominian shrugs
[19:06:49] <seekwill> lol
[19:06:56] <Dominian> I'm already doing tons of voip deployments.. no problems here
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[19:08:06] <gpled> iv seen lots of train wrecks.  cough cisco cough
[19:08:49] <gpled> most of the problem comes because network guys dont understand phone guys, and vice versa
[19:09:19] <seekwill> vice-versa ?
[19:09:27] <seekwill> vice-versa: Stop making it hard for gpled!
[19:09:43] <Dominian> gpled: I have no idea where you get your information, but I've worked with Cisco guys just fine with our voip deployments.. hosted and trunked.. no issues here.
[19:09:59] <gpled> seekwill: lol
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[19:11:15] <gpled> Dominian: how many train wrecks did cisco have when it first started?  just google around.  after a few road kills they started figuring things out
[19:11:27] <Dominian> eh
[19:11:34] <Dominian> Cisco isn't a train wreck per se
[19:11:41] <Dominian> the fact they use a totally proprietary protocl is
[19:11:45] <Dominian> and their call manager is an amazing system
[19:12:03] <Dominian> and the past is the past.. that was over 10+ years ago.. and trying to categorize voip like that now is just.. ignorant.
[19:12:43] <gpled> yah, i used to get their routers with the wrong os loaded.  then have to make a cable to upload the correct os, so it would boot, using xmodem at 9600
[19:12:57] <Dominian> that's not that big of a deal
[19:14:26] <gpled> always thought it was strange though. almost all the benefits you get from voip, you can get from a cell phone
[19:14:49] <Dominian> haha
[19:14:49] <Dominian> yeah
[19:15:01] <Dominian> true, but a company isn't going to shell out the kind of cash its going to take to equip their enterprise all with cell phones.
[19:15:22] <gpled> cept talking on the phone while driving. glad thats harder to do with voip :)
[19:15:39] <Dominian> hehe vonage has started selling a "wifi" phone for vonage customers..
[19:15:42] <Dominian> if you can get a wifi signal.. you can talk
[19:15:54] <Dominian> I also heard that are working on the "cell phone' market.. dunno how that's going to work out.
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[19:16:32] <seekwill> wimax?
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[19:30:08] <seekwill> So how them emails going?
[19:32:08] <vice-versa> fabulous, thanks for asking. And you, how are your emails going?
[19:34:02] <seekwill> Bad. All being graylisted by Dominian
[19:34:32] <Dominian> heh
[19:34:34] <Dominian> greylisted btw
[19:34:37] <Dominian> bastard get it right
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[20:21:32] <orly0wl> wut
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[20:46:26] <magyar_> hello
[20:47:27] <magyar_> how can i white list * at marketting dot com to be allowed to send mail to some of my domains only?
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[20:48:53] <gpled> magyar_: is marketting.com outside your network?
[20:49:42] <marek> hello guys, if I have a public postfix, is there any way to block other people than 127.0.0.1 to send mail but having other hosts to deliver mail to my domain?
[20:50:54] <sysmonk> heil
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[20:53:47] <gpled> http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
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[20:58:48] <sysmonk> marek: you mean - internet send mail to YOUR server, but 127.0.0.1 send mail ANYWHERE?
[20:59:21] <marek> sysmonk: yes
[20:59:31] <sysmonk> you won't believe it...
[20:59:36] <sysmonk> that's the default postfix behaiviour
[20:59:36] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:00:02] * sysmonk doesn't know how that word is written, but who cares?
[21:00:18] <deadpigeon> webster.
[21:00:36] <sysmonk> um?
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[21:02:04] <deadpigeon> its a dictionary. i was being facetious.
[21:02:09] <deadpigeon> nevermind. =/
[21:02:45] <sysmonk> sorry i don't use it
[21:02:54] <deadpigeon> hehe.
[21:03:06] <tundra> Hello, does anyone know if it's possible to log certain information from an email, I set a header on the emails I'm sending and I want to print it on mail.info to track the emails.
[21:03:07] <sysmonk> i'm not a native english speaker, and there aren't many lithuanian -> english dictionaries online
[21:03:48] <sysmonk> tundra: you can take a look at WARN
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[21:04:40] <sysmonk> !warn
[21:04:41] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "warn" is not a valid command.
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[21:04:43] <sysmonk> !access
[21:04:44] <knoba> sysmonk: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[21:04:47] <sysmonk> tundra: ^^
[21:05:02] <sysmonk> tundra: btw, what does your nick mean? :)
[21:06:12] <tundra> WARN? You mean mail.warn?
[21:06:26] <sysmonk> tundra: no, i mean access(8) WARN
[21:06:39] <sysmonk> it's an action, like OK or REJECT
[21:07:14] <gpled> tundra: what did you set in the header?   you might be able to do this with filter
[21:07:21] <gpled> !filter
[21:07:21] <knoba> gpled: Error: "filter" is not a valid command.
[21:07:37] <sysmonk> gpled: filter could be a too big overhead
[21:07:55] <sysmonk> + he'd need to pass all the email to another process
[21:07:58] <sysmonk> which ... sucks a bit :P
[21:08:09] <tundra> it's something like X-RelayTo: and the server
[21:08:11] <sysmonk> needs more resources, needs another pid, needs re-queueing ( re-injecting )
[21:08:16] <tundra> I want to log that.
[21:08:34] <sysmonk> tundra: we're back to WARN then
[21:08:34] <sysmonk> ;)
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[21:09:22] <gpled> was thinking you might be able to grep your mail log
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[21:10:16] <gpled> http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html
[21:11:11] <tundra> sysmonk: anyother clue? I can't find anything with WARN
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[21:12:29] <tundra> gpled: I was thinking on sending the mail.info to a fifo and a perl parsing the output, that way I can have reports about what's going on the server
[21:14:02] <gpled> you can fine warn here: http://www.postfix.org/access.5.html
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[21:17:16] <tundra> Thanks, I'll check it.
[21:18:10] <magyar_> gpled, yeap
[21:20:54] <gpled> magyar_: i think you could do this: http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[21:21:19] <gpled> magyar_: how are you 'black listing" them now?
[21:23:03] <vice-versa> hmm, a botnet must have been taken out recently
[21:23:16] <gpled> vice-versa: yep :)
[21:24:10] <vice-versa> thought so, spam to one of our clients domains just tanked seemingly overnight
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[21:26:19] <sysmonk> tundra: WARN !
[21:26:25] <sysmonk> tundra: read man 8 access
[21:26:50] <sysmonk> ah, gpled already gave the link :P woops :P
[21:27:02] <sysmonk> vice-versa: spam?! you get spam?! where did you get it from!?:)
[21:27:25] <sysmonk> i'm verry mad about one of my clients. i don't think if he's joking or not...
[21:27:25] <gpled> think wamart sells it
[21:27:38] <sysmonk> but... he said he got 8 spam letters this week, and he's very mad
[21:27:43] <sysmonk> and he asks me to do something about it
[21:28:30] <sysmonk> (their company is large and has ~5+ domains aliased)
[21:28:51] <sysmonk> i _really_ don't know what i should answer him
[21:29:48] <gpled> was thinking about this the other day.  we could do what the phone company did a long time ago, with ss7
[21:30:14] <gpled> just make out of bandwidth communications for our servers
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[21:30:58] <gpled> out of band width could be a port that only auth servers can communicate on
[21:31:14] <sysmonk> er, what?
[21:31:19] <vice-versa> sysmonk: oh you know, the usual suspects, us, ru, tr, cn, pl, kr, my, br, mx, ar, co, ec, pe, vn, ph, sa, de, ro, lv, pt ......
[21:31:36] <sysmonk> vice-versa: *khem*
[21:31:36] <gpled> vice-versa: lol
[21:31:46] <sysmonk> vice-versa: i'm polish, my father is russian
[21:31:53] <sysmonk> so we're removing the .ru and .pl
[21:32:04] <gpled> we will not hold that against you :)
[21:32:09] <sysmonk> then, i live in ithuania (but you didn't list .lt ;P)
[21:32:17] <sysmonk> and, the spam originated from AOL.com
[21:32:20] <sysmonk> so...
[21:32:21] <sysmonk> ;)))
[21:32:27] <Jayzee-> I have my postfix handling one of my domains as a virtual domain with few email accounts in virtual file. I would like some of these accounts to be handled by my domain mailserver specified in MX record and not my postfix - is this possible?
[21:32:43] <sysmonk> vice-versa: anyway, i just don't understand... is 8 spam letters / week REALLY that bad?
[21:33:10] <seekwill> I get negative amounts of spam
[21:33:16] <sysmonk> when your email and domain is publicly listed ?
[21:33:27] <sysmonk> seekwill: hehe :)
[21:33:36] <gpled> i sell spam credits to companies that need them
[21:34:03] <sysmonk> gpled: will you give a discount for #postfix ?
[21:34:21] <Jayzee-> when trying to send mail to an email account not specified in virtual file postfix drops it, I would like it to forward it to my ISP SMTP
[21:34:53] <gpled> sysmonk: 10% off, this month only !
[21:35:14] <sysmonk> gpled: good, will ya email the offer to devnull at example dot com ?
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[21:35:51] <gpled> sysmonk: lol, sure, how many spam credits would you like to buy :)
[21:36:02] <sysmonk> rand() will be enough
[21:36:02] <sysmonk> ;P
[21:36:08] <gpled> lol
[21:36:29] <Jayzee-> alright, could someone answer my question instead of goofing around like a bunch of 14-year olds?
[21:36:45] <vice-versa> yeah that'll help
[21:36:49] <gpled> hey, how did you guess my age?
[21:36:54] <sysmonk> Jayzee-: after that kind of sentence - not me.
[21:37:15] 
[21:37:19] <sysmonk> vice-versa: that always helps to get free help
[21:37:39] <sysmonk> Jayzee-: you didn't ask me
[21:37:49] <gpled> yah, bet he has not spam credits :)
[21:37:53] <vice-versa> s/ask/beg/
[21:37:57] <Jayzee-> sysmonk: there you go then ;)
[21:38:02] <gpled> not/no
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[21:38:23] <sysmonk> gpled: he received a negative feedback in my bayesian filter atleast
[21:38:29] <gpled> Jayzee: thinking you could do something with transport
[21:38:41] <gpled> lol
[21:38:51] <Jayzee-> gpled: thanks for pointing me in right direction
[21:39:25] <gpled> Jayzee: im not up on virtual domains, but they should work like regular, just have to list domains
[21:39:37] <sysmonk> gpled: did ya show him your middle finger that he knows the direction now ? :P
[21:39:56] <Jayzee-> sysmonk: grow up
[21:40:18] <sysmonk> Jayzee-: be nice, and i won't have to grow up
[21:40:24] <sysmonk> s/up/down/
[21:40:48] <vice-versa> Jayzee: I'm sure your isp is going to be pleased with you doing that
[21:41:28] <Jayzee-> gpled: the domain is listed but since the account is not listed (since I want it to be handled by another mail server) the postfix drops emails send from postfix machine to that account
[21:41:42] <Jayzee-> vice-versa: got my own hosting, no probs
[21:43:29] <vice-versa> so you're basically saying I'm the final destination for this domain but the user doesn't exist here, so you take it and see what you can do with it
[21:46:52] <Jayzee-> no, all mails from my server are being relayed to my ISP SMTP server, that is the reason I run postfix to begin with (relaying). Since postfix machine is also a web server serving a bunch of domains and when a script from one domain sends email to a email address belonging to that domain the postfix drops the mail since it thinks it should be handled by it instead of sending it to MX for that specific domain.
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[21:48:56] <vice-versa> Jayzee: oh I see, so you're not actually a final destination for any domain then
[21:49:16] <Jayzee-> no I'm not
[21:51:02] <Jayzee-> but I've set up noreply at mydomain dot com as a virtual mail account on that machine so that mails are not grey/blacklisted when sent from my script having noreply at mydomain dot com as sender.
[21:51:53] <Jayzee-> I hope that's the right approach?
[21:52:10] <vice-versa> interesting, why would you even bother using postfix if all you need to do is get mail of a web server to a relay hub?
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[21:53:43] <Jayzee-> for 2 reasons: I know how to setup relay in postfix and 'cause of grey/blacklisting issues due to non-exiting mail accounts
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[21:56:09] <Jayzee-> if you have other suggestions I'm all ears (eyes in this case :))
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[21:58:20] <vice-versa> something like ssmtp or esmtp would be better suited for the task imo
[22:01:59] <Jayzee-> Ok... and that woule require me to create email accounts on the MX server that are only used by scripts for sending emails (such as webmailer at mydomain dot com)? If I don't do that the mails risk being delayed and sometimes are even dropped?
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[22:06:48] <vice-versa> no, think about that for a minute, spammers use forged non-existing local parts all the time, however you should have legit sender accounts so you can monitor bounces
[22:08:59] <Jayzee-> exactly, I was hoping I could connect those accounts used by scripts to a user on postfix machine instead of setting up a seperate "script" email account for each domain. That's why I'm in this mess now :)
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[22:10:45] <Jayzee-> according to ssmtp documentation I need to specify ONE domain used by it. So mails being sent by scripts on each domain will look as they come from one and same domain?
[22:11:51] <vice-versa> yes, esmtp has better options for this iirc
[22:12:56] <vice-versa> back to your relay logic, it doesn't make any sense, you already stated you're handing off mail to your isp to relay and you're not the final destination for the domain(s) in question, so how would you expect to receive any bounces from your isp?
[22:14:41] <Jayzee-> I've set up local virtual accounts on machine used by script as "from" address and connected them to my accound. If they bounce, I get the mail.
[22:15:26] <vice-versa> connected?
[22:16:28] <Jayzee-> But, if the script sends an email to other user on same domain (from noreply at domain dot com to contact at domain dot com) that's not listed in virtual file it is not delivered although that account exists on email server specified in MX for that domain
[22:16:56] <Jayzee-> I hope you understand... :)
[22:19:43] <vice-versa> right, because you don't have a valid list of recipients of the domain and your local postfix relay obviously thinks it's the final destination so it rejects it
[22:20:30] <Jayzee-> yeah. Is there any way to get it to send to MX or something like that?
[22:21:03] <Jayzee-> or if I could create list of email adresses that are to be treated as "external"?
[22:21:11] <Jayzee-> like in virtual file
[22:24:22] <vice-versa> yeah, configure it for what it really is, a relay hub, but I would seriously consider using esmtp
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[22:24:35] <cos> what does the "relay" service in master.cf do?  I don't see any smtp -n relay processes running.
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[22:25:05] <Jayzee-> thanks, vice-versa I'll take a look into esmtp
[22:26:04] <deface> ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server.
[22:26:05] <deface> err
[22:26:11] <deface> was working before 'lenny' upgrade
[22:26:22] <deface> squirrelmail ..
[22:26:29] <vice-versa> Jayzee: np
[22:26:38] <deface> all i get in logs - imapd: Connection, ip 127.0.0.1
[22:26:47] <deface> love the verbose logging
[22:27:14] <vice-versa> !poop
[22:27:15] <knoba> vice-versa: "poop" : See: !pop
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[22:28:09] <Dominian> haha
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[22:29:14] <vice-versa> anyway, I'm sure you'e not alone deface, check on #your_destro or http://forums.yourdistro.org
[22:30:39] <deface> lol
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[22:40:43] <rob0> cos, relay is for sending mail on for relay_domains. See ADDRESS_CLASS_README (Relay domain class) if you're interested.
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[22:59:23] <phantomcircuit> I'm trying to route all mail including mail that appears to be local to go to another smtp server, i have '* smtp:[mail.covertinferno.org]' in transport and i did postmap on it, but mail that is sent locally still is delivered locally
[23:03:35] <phantomcircuit> solved
[23:03:52] <deface> relayhost = mail.covertinferno.org
[23:04:22] <phantomcircuit> already had that
[23:04:32] <phantomcircuit> solved it with "mydestination = "
[23:04:41] <phantomcircuit> that way it doesnt treat any mail as local
[23:04:42] <deface> would relay all mail, if you want to relay on a per-domain basis, you would use relay_domains
[23:04:48] <deface> = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql/relay_domains_map.cf
[23:04:49] <deface> in my case
[23:05:03] <phantomcircuit> just setting relayhost wasn't enough actually
[23:05:19] <phantomcircuit> cause it still tries to deliver mail it thinks is local.. well locally
[23:05:33] <deface> hmm ..
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[23:06:45] <phantomcircuit> i have three subdomains one of which has the mail server, so i want all the mail going through that subdomain
[23:07:01] <deface> ok
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