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[00:05:27] <googlah> You need to declare more, bahadunn
[00:07:33] <deface> postfix/trivial-rewrite[22436]: warning: connect to mysql server localhost: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[00:07:39] <deface> can't track this one back
[00:07:43] <deface> socket exists
[00:07:49] <deface> not in a chroot
[00:09:26] <bahadunn> googlah: what do you want to know?
[00:10:01] <googlah> deface: able to connect normally to mysql? like mysql -u root -p?
[00:10:13] <deface> yeah
[00:11:24] <bahadunn> deface: could it be postfix is chrooted and cannot access the mysql.sock outside of its chroot?
[00:11:39] <deface> bahadunn: no chroot .. that im aware of
[00:11:41] <higuita> bahadunn: sending? receiving? with spam filters? local delivery? mail gateway?
[00:11:53] <deface> bahadunn: now do i check if its chrooted? ..
[00:12:18] <googlah> deface: post your master.cf and main.cf. :)
[00:12:25] <bahadunn> higuita: sending without spam filters as that would probably degrade performance and no mail gateway that I know of
[00:13:17] <bahadunn> deface: in master.cf each service can be chrooted or not
[00:15:43] <higuita> what i and probably googlah want is to know what you want.. just high performance is too generic
[00:17:04] <bahadunn> well basically I have beem asked what would be needed to send ruffly 4 million emails a day
[00:17:38] <higuita> we might be tempted to say several smtp to send, many to receive, with a hardware load balance ip, several mail storage servers, etc :)
[00:17:42] <bahadunn> if I need to supply more information I will have to gather it so I can supply it to you
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[00:18:00] <bahadunn> I was wondering about that actually
[00:18:01] <deface> bahadunn: yeah, all are n
[00:18:06] <higuita> :)
[00:18:08] <higuita> ok, tune for sending...
[00:18:09] <bahadunn> if clustering would be necessary
[00:18:49] <higuita> for most setups, no...
[00:18:49] <bahadunn> I am not sure where to start for sending out mail with multiple servers
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[00:19:20] <bahadunn> I know I/O is very important for postfix
[00:19:27] <bahadunn> the faster the disks and I/O the better
[00:19:40] <deface> aight, got that part
[00:19:49] <deface> just replaced whole master.conf w/ a working one
[00:19:53] <deface> debian defaults seem chrooted
[00:20:20] <bahadunn> deface: yes debian defaults is chrooted
[00:20:29] <higuita> bahadunn: 4 million of emails is about 50 mails/s
[00:20:36] <bahadunn> deface: you could access mysql over localhost instead and keep postfix chrooted
[00:20:52] <bahadunn> higuita: is that a lot?
[00:21:53] <higuita> now to start, are the messages big? small? one message per mail (unique mails for each user), or many mails per message (via bcc)
[00:22:20] <bahadunn> higuita: have to find that out and get back to you
[00:22:34] <higuita> 50/s is some load... not too high, but also, not very low
[00:23:07] <higuita> but that is the perfect distribution, for sure you will get times with 200m/s and others with 5m/s
[00:24:51] <higuita> also, will the emails be received by te postfix server all at same time (newsletter) or slowly via all day (web notifications, normal sending usage)
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[00:33:06] <higuita> anyway, a quad core computer, with maybe 2Gb of ram and fast HD might be able to take care of that load...
[00:33:49] <higuita> if not spam filter is needed, postfix will scale
[00:35:21] <higuita> of course, you might need a good internet connection, a good and dedicate DNS server
[00:36:46] <higuita> and if needed, you can offload some big emails (gmail, hotmail, aol) to another server via transport (or balance then directly via dns or loadbalancer on the sending side)
[00:38:09] <higuita> also, log to a different server, or at least, a different HD
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[00:48:48] <googlah> a fast computer generally. :) but 4 million mails a day, I wonder to whom.. yeesh
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[00:54:31] <aster1sk> Good evening all.
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[00:57:01] <aster1sk> Oct 20 18:39:58 fe1 postfix/smtpd[12193]: warning: unsupported SASL server implementation: cyrus
[00:57:02] <aster1sk> Oct 20 18:39:58 fe1 postfix/smtpd[12193]: fatal: SASL per-process initialization failed
[00:57:05] <aster1sk> Any ideas?
[00:57:52] <pickcoder> you don't have cyrus support built-in
[00:58:33] <aster1sk> Thought I compiled it with cyrus
[00:59:02] <aster1sk> make makefiles CCARGS='-DUSE_SASL_AUTH -DHAS_SSL -DHAS_MYSQL -DHAS_LDAP -DUSE_CYRUS -I/usr/include/sasl -I/usr/include/openssl -I/usr/include/mysql -I/usr/include' AUXLIBS='-L/usr/lib -L/usr/lib/openssl/engines -L/usr/lib/mysql -L/usr/lib -lsasl2 -lcrypto -lssl -lmysqlclient -lz -lm -lldap -llber -Wl,-rpath /usr/lib/mysql -Wl,-rpath /usr/lib -Wl,-rpath /usr/lib/openssl/engines'
[00:59:38] <aster1sk> [root@fe1 postfix]# /usr/sbin/postconf -m
[00:59:39] <aster1sk> btree
[00:59:39] <aster1sk> cidr
[00:59:39] <aster1sk> environ
[00:59:39] <aster1sk> hash
[00:59:40] <aster1sk> ldap
[00:59:41] <aster1sk> mysql
[00:59:43] <aster1sk> nis
[00:59:45] <aster1sk> pcre
[00:59:47] <aster1sk> proxy
[00:59:48] <shasta> NOT HERE, FFS!
[00:59:49] <aster1sk> regexp
[00:59:51] <aster1sk> static
[00:59:53] <aster1sk> unix
[00:59:56] <aster1sk> Apologies.
[01:00:19] <pickcoder> postconf -a will tell you what's enabled
[01:01:11] <aster1sk> returns "dovecot"
[01:01:31] <pickcoder> then either you didn't compile it correctly or you didn't restart postfix
[01:01:47] <shasta> or you didn't install the new binary :)
[01:01:49] <pickcoder> compile it/install it
[01:01:52] <pickcoder> heh
[01:02:53] <aster1sk> Lets give her a try
[01:03:34] <aster1sk> Did my compile arguments above look correct to you?
[01:05:38] <pickcoder> shouldn't  that by -DUSE_CYRUS_SASL
[01:05:49] <pickcoder> instead of -DUSE_CYRUS
[01:05:59] <aster1sk> You are probably right.
[01:06:10] <pickcoder> !sasl
[01:06:11] <knoba> pickcoder: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[01:06:17] <pickcoder> there is a build how-to
[01:06:20] <pickcoder> bbl
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[01:14:39] <aster1sk> Recompiling with fixed args
[01:15:06] <higuita> googlah bahadunn: i'm not worried about the possibility of those 4 million of emails are spam... with so many emails, if they are spam, that server will be so quickly blocked by blacklists that by the end of the week, no one would accept emails from then :)
[01:16:35] <aster1sk> Woohoo!
[01:16:47] <aster1sk> You guys are great.
[01:19:28] <bahadunn> higuita: I dont think the people I am talking with would be sending spam and if that assumption turns out to be wrong then I wont be helping them
[01:19:31] <bahadunn> I know that much
[01:23:32] <aster1sk> Oh dear.
[01:23:55] <aster1sk> Now I am getting a relay access denied.  Mail servers are so annoying!
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[01:25:28] <higuita> aster1sk: they are not annoying, they just require to be configures properly :D
[01:26:25] <aster1sk> Very true.  I have been working on this for far too long and it was working beautifully at one point.  Can not figure out what happened.
[01:26:32] <bahadunn> aster1sk: yes, once configured properly they do their thing with little complaint
[01:26:58] <bahadunn> aster1sk: relay access denied is usually something to do with permission to send mail
[01:27:21] <aster1sk> So most likely not something in main.cf?
[01:27:33] <bahadunn> aster1sk: either something is not right in my networks
[01:27:37] <bahadunn> aster1sk: yes in main.cf
[01:27:50] <bahadunn> aster1sk: or if you use sasl it is not setup properly
[01:28:05] <bahadunn> aster1sk: or pop-before-smtp or whatever method you may use
[01:28:36] <bahadunn> aster1sk: you said something about sasl above I think so I assume sasl is not setup correctly
[01:28:47] <bahadunn> aster1sk: you running on what OS?
[01:28:54] <aster1sk> Cent OS 5.1
[01:28:59] <bahadunn> oh
[01:29:09] * bahadunn is a debian guy himself
[01:30:45] <aster1sk> http://pastebin.com/d741b3046
[01:31:04] <aster1sk> Anything look funky?
[01:31:24] <aster1sk> I have obviously change ip's and domain...
[01:35:36] <shasta> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = no ?!
[01:35:48] <shasta> smptpd_tls_cert_file <- a typo
[01:38:41] <aster1sk> Oh boy
[01:39:22] <aster1sk> I modified the "no" for testing - no joy.  I will fix the typo
[01:43:37] <aster1sk> Wow I am so freakin stupid.
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[02:10:32] <F2Knight> I have a postfix mail server running inhouse and it seems to work great, however I have one user that is getting a ton (2000+ messages today) of Delivery Status Notifications (Failure) messages.  I think someone is spamming and just putting his return email address in the From line. is there a way to block this or to check it? Using Postfix-Dovecot with amavis filtering
[02:10:38] <F2Knight> thanks in advance
[02:11:06] <F2Knight> (BTW I am using the setup from workaround.org for this server using virtual mail boxes)
[02:11:44] <shasta> F2Knight, http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[02:15:41] <F2Knight> shasta,  this look like it maybe what i was looking for. Thanks, going to give it a whirl.. is there a system to test with.. like maybe a website that you can use to send bogus mail to your box for testing?
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[02:44:17] <aster1sk> Gahh - warning: TLS has been selected, but TLS support is not compiled in
[02:44:17] <aster1sk>   Forgot to compile with TLS!
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[03:11:58] <cos> I have a fallback relay showing weird behavior.  it starts getting messages and both active and incoming queues start building up, and it starts delivering...
[03:12:24] <cos>  ... and then after a while it stops moving anything from incoming to active, and stops delivering.  now it's *just* receiving relayed messages and putting them in incoming.
[03:12:47] <cos> eventually, first-pass mailers are done with their work, and the fallback stops receiving relayed messages, and *then* it starts delivering from active again
[03:12:49] <cos> ideas?
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[03:39:49] <aster1sk> What should my /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf          look like when I am using mysql for authentication?
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[03:51:39] <higuita> cos: yes... check the logs and the mailq to know why postfix stop delivering email. its probably finding that a server
[03:52:11] <higuita> is offline or doesnt exist, so it waits increasing times before testing again delivering to that server
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[04:03:25] <deface> if i want all outbound mail from a server to be tagged w/ @domain.com .. rather than just coming from root or postmaster
[04:03:30] <deface> masquerade domains .. right ?
[04:04:22] <xpoint> myorigin
[04:05:08] <deface> append_at_myorigin (default: yes)
[04:05:12] <deface> but not happening
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[04:19:07] <cos> higuita: nonono, that's not the situation at all.
[04:19:36] <cos> it completely stops scanning the incoming queue for new messages and moving them to active, for one thing.  messages keep being placed in incoming by cleanup, but qmgr is waiting and doing nothing.
[04:19:58] <cos> and what's in the active queue is a mix of lots of domains, none of which are being attempted at all.
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[04:31:43] <jmazaredo> i need to relay all the mails to another mail server will relay = domain.com will do?
[04:33:02] <xpoint> relayhost=domain.com
[04:33:20] <xpoint> notrelay
[04:33:24] <xpoint> not relay
[04:35:01] <jmazaredo> ya sorry :)
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[04:41:06] <aster1sk> Gahh - I keep getting auth failed errors from postfix using sasl mysql
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[04:44:38] <deface> aster1sk: topic
[04:45:20] <aster1sk> Am I breaking some rule? I apologize if so.
[04:50:30] <aster1sk> Anyone see anything wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/d25b9591
[04:54:45] <aster1sk> Anytime I try to send to anyone outside of my local virtual servers (ex: gmail) I get an error saying "Relay Access Denied"
[04:56:29] <aster1sk> The first postfix guru to help me fix this gets a free beer, I am serious.
[04:57:41] <xpoint> postconf -n
[05:03:24] <aster1sk> http://pastebin.com/d4069a04
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[05:10:15] <xpoint> relay denied ?
[05:11:04] <xpoint> then client ip is out side mynetworks range or not using sasl
[05:12:42] <aster1sk> I have a feeling SASL is misconfigured ...No fatal errors in /var/log/maillog though.
[05:13:16] <aster1sk> Dovecot is working awesomely with mysql, postfix is really mest.
[05:15:13] <aster1sk> yeah I am getting a 554 error on my client though I am sending auth for smtp
[05:16:05] <xpoint> line 20 error, remove transport_maps
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[05:22:16] <aster1sk> Fail, I am still getting the error after a full reboot.
[05:23:42] <aster1sk> Do you think it has to do with /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf
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[05:34:45] <aster1sk> Wow this is probably the most frustrating issue I have ever dealt with.
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[05:53:52] <rob0> !relay_denied
[05:53:53] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
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[05:58:39] <xpoint> rob0, aster1sk show logs will help more, relay denied can olso be when client is outside mynetworks
[05:59:11] <rob0> "... typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks ..."
[06:00:01] <xpoint> rob0, aster1sk olso manglede the pastbin so not very easy to tell
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[06:01:08] <aster1sk> Well at least I am not getting auth failed messages any more.  I still have a feeling it is sasl.
[06:01:30] <rob0> 03:59 < xpoint> rob0, aster1sk show logs will help more ...
[06:02:31] <aster1sk>  /var/log/maillog?
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[06:08:05] <aster1sk> Forget this - I am going get some scotch and hit myself in the head with a hammer.
[06:08:17] <Dominian> heh
[06:08:47] <aster1sk> Calling it quits for today - have a great night guys and thank you so much for the help.
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[06:47:21] <sysmonk> really... did somebody invent a time machine lately?
[06:47:39] <sysmonk> people start coming with postfix 2.2, mysql 3.x, ...
[06:49:42] <Motoko-chan> Uptick in Debian usage?
[06:50:15] <sysmonk> hehe, yeah, i think so :P
[06:58:28] <xpoint> sqlite is still not supported map in postfix
[06:59:28] <roe_> you have to be using old-stable to get 2.2 anymore
[06:59:56] <sysmonk> doesn't debian automatically upgrades to the oldest version possible? :P
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[07:00:19] <roe_> 2.3 is in current stable (2.5.5 is backported and in almost new stable
[07:00:32] <roe_> 2.6 just missed the cut
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[07:00:53] <sysmonk> so now people will have to live 3 more years with 2.3
[07:00:58] <sysmonk> and then 10 more years with 2.5.5 ?
[07:01:18] <roe_> well lenny should be released by December (read: March) which will have 2.5.5
[07:01:27] <xpoint> problem is ?
[07:01:38] <sysmonk> yeah, and while people update their stuff it'll take 3 more years
[07:01:42] <sysmonk> so, back to my theory!
[07:01:42] <sysmonk> ;)
[07:01:58] <roe_> I've already migrated most of our production servers to lenny
[07:02:19] <sysmonk> believe me, i don't get s**t what the f**** lenny is
[07:02:29] <sysmonk> i hate when they call versions by name
[07:02:35] <sysmonk> lenny johny beebie
[07:02:48] <sysmonk> who's older? lenny or peepie?
[07:02:56] <sysmonk> or was it jeepsy ?
[07:02:57] <roe_> ok, I have migrated most machine from 4.0 to 5.0 already
[07:03:04] <sysmonk> that's better :P
[07:03:44] <roe_> there are lots of systems out there using much older than postfix 2.2 in the name of "don't touch it if it an't broke"
[07:04:10] <sysmonk> yeah, i think i have on postfix 2.2.x at work
[07:04:11] <sysmonk> ;P
[07:04:15] <sysmonk> one*
[07:04:26] <roe_> pot, meet the kettle
[07:04:39] <sysmonk> nah, we have one pretty oooooold server
[07:04:43] <sysmonk> we just keep it for fun
[07:04:49] <sysmonk> it doesn't do anything at all ...
[07:04:55] <sysmonk> it runs freebsd 3.5 :P
[07:05:12] <roe_> merely for a historical record?  when people start complaining you point the the hunker in the corner and threaten them?
[07:05:19] <Motoko-chan> roe_, the Debian stuff was a joke.
[07:05:24] <sysmonk> it's like 8 years old :P
[07:05:27] <Motoko-chan> You know the reputation it gets.
[07:05:53] <roe_> what is "the debian stuff"
[07:06:53] <sysmonk> the 'stable' debian has prehistoric stable packages
[07:07:07] <sysmonk> if you don't understand jokes, then sorry
[07:07:11] <roe_> etch, sorry 4.0 went stable in 2006
[07:07:26] <sysmonk> so, you don't.
[07:07:31] <roe_> ah
[07:07:32] <roe_> hehe
[07:07:35] <roe_> now I do
[07:07:40] <roe_> sorry
[07:07:43] <roe_> it's late
[07:07:47] <roe_> and I can't fall asleep
[07:07:50] <xpoint> 42
[07:07:54] <sysmonk> it morning here, 8am
[07:08:02] * sysmonk thinks if i should go to work or...
[07:08:05] <roe_> across the pond?
[07:08:07] <sysmonk> or go to work ;/
[07:08:15] <sysmonk> yeah
[07:09:01] <xpoint> please go to work, whe dont want sleepers here :-)
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[10:49:54] <mio> lo everyone
[10:50:13] <mio> lo sysmonk, you there?
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[10:51:01] <milligan_> I'm using postfixadmin with the quota plugin, which is working nicely. Are there any addons that will tell me how much quota the user has left aswell ?
[10:51:30] <mio> !pastebin
[10:51:30] <knoba> mio: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
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[11:45:41] <mio> lo again .. stupid ISP
[11:45:51] <mio> here it goes again :) so sysmonk helped me yesterday get this far with the problems I was having, now there is one thing left. Mail delivery still does not work. problem also is, you don't get errors http://rafb.net/p/d9leUN76.html
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[11:48:17] <stockholm> what is the address of the postfix user mailinglist?
[11:48:18] <mio> anyone ?
[11:48:29] <stockholm> do i have to subscribe to mail there?
[11:48:32] <stockholm> (guess so)
[11:48:49] <mio> stockholm, http://www.postfix.org/lists.html
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[11:53:49] <unevermetme> !virtual_mailbox_domains
[11:53:49] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_mailbox_domains" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that are by default delivered via the $virtual_transport mail delivery transport. This list uses the same syntax as the mydestination configuration parameter.
[11:54:48] <unevermetme> !virtual_mailbox_base
[11:54:49] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.
[11:55:46] <unevermetme> !virtual_uid_maps
[11:55:46] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.
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[11:56:00] <unevermetme> !virtual_gid_maps
[11:56:02] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_gid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient group ID for virtual(8) mailbox delivery. In a lookup table, specify a left-hand side of " at domain dot tld" to match any user in the specified domain that does not have a specific "user at domain dot tld" entry.
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[12:05:02] <mio> Hmmm I think the problem is at procmail's level.  6F5BB4D019C: to=<somedude at mydomain dot ltd>, relay=local, delay=0.14, delays=0.11/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: procmail -a "$EXTENSION")
[12:05:26] <mio> looks like postfix does it's job as it should but the problem is after procmail has gotten the mail
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[12:40:54] <mio> anyone knows why I can't recieve mail? the expeditor gets no error message like it use to and the  log says it delivers the message to procmail
[12:41:04] <mio> but then I don't recieve anything
[12:41:54] <Emmett> It's because you're not getting any mail, because no one loves you.
[12:42:19] <Emmett> I'm sorry to have to break the news to you like this on IRC.
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[12:45:06] <mio> hehe :)
[12:45:30] <mio> If only it was true :) I love myself and I am the one sending the mail to test :)
[12:46:10] <mio> but on a more serious note, anyone here that knows what might be the reason mail is not being delivered?
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[12:48:01] <vice-versa> do you actually need to use procmail as your lda?
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[12:48:29] <mio> It was in the config mate and i didn't change it
[12:48:58] <unevermetme> !virtual_alias_maps
[12:48:59] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[12:49:21] <vice-versa> then change it
[12:49:21] <unevermetme> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[12:49:22] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[12:49:34] <mio> vice-versa, to?
[12:49:39] <unevermetme> !virtual_transport_mail
[12:49:40] <knoba> unevermetme: Error: "virtual_transport_mail" is not a valid command.
[12:49:53] <unevermetme> !virtual_transport
[12:49:54] <knoba> unevermetme: "virtual_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport for domains that match the $virtual_mailbox_domains parameter value. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.
[12:50:14] <vice-versa> mio: default
[12:50:26] <unevermetme> thanks knoba
[12:50:33] <unevermetme> :)
[12:50:46] <vice-versa> !yw
[12:50:47] <knoba> vice-versa: "yw" : you're welcome
[12:50:55] <unevermetme> lol
[12:52:29] <mio> vice-versa, now i have mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" that should become ?
[12:52:45] <vice-versa> #mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
[12:53:00] <mio> $USER?
[12:53:05] <mio> ah
[12:53:07] <mio> kk
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[12:54:57] <mio> vice-versa, ..........dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox) but still doesnt arrive. It's probably some setting about the path where mail should arrive or something?
[12:55:03] <mio> using Cyrus with postfix
[12:56:23] <vice-versa> postconf mail_spool_directory
[12:56:35] <vice-versa> have a look there
[12:59:52] <mio> that is set to /var/mail
[13:00:20] <mio> vice-versa, though when the migration was done, I recall the spool dir was /var/spool/mail or something like that
[13:00:59] <mio> no to /var/spool/cyrus/mail/
[13:02:09] <vice-versa> it's configurable
[13:02:21] <mio> vice-versa, my imapd.conf says partition-default: /var/spool/cyrus/mail
[13:02:54] <vice-versa> mail_spool_directory = /var/spool/cyrus/mail
[13:03:19] <vice-versa> use a trailing / if you want maildir style
[13:03:23] <vice-versa> !maildir
[13:03:24] <knoba> vice-versa: "maildir" : a mailbox format introduced by qmail where emails are saved as individual files in a directory structure rather than into a single flat text file. Postfix settings like !home_mailbox and !virtual_mailbox_maps will allow delivery to maildir if the path value returned ends in /
[13:04:34] <mio> vice-versa, no change
[13:05:01] <mio> ah
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[13:07:12] <mio> vice-versa, thing is in /var/spool/cyrus/mail/ I have the users sorted alphabetically, a for anton, andre and asshatboss for instance
[13:11:36] * vice-versa shrugs
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[13:19:47] <sysmonk> ho
[13:20:16] <vice-versa> where?
[13:24:11] <sysmonk> ;P
[13:24:14] <sysmonk> in teh mirror
[13:24:36] <shasta> whore in the mirror? can't see any :P
[13:26:36] <mio> blonde ho
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[13:52:06] <sysmonk> shasta: clean your mirror a bit, it's bad that you can't see yourself :P
[13:53:36] <shasta> actually it's clean ]:->
[13:53:44] <mio> Glasses?
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[13:53:53] <mio> ;)
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[14:33:50] <adnc> hello, i get a status deferred and 451 4.2.1 Mailbox busy, try again later when sending mail to a particular address.  which conditions make a mailbox busy?
[14:34:43] <vice-versa> mbox file lock
[14:35:37] <adnc> i see
[14:35:51] <adnc> which means he might be reading his mail at the moment?
[14:37:01] <vice-versa> mbox file is being updated most likely, i.e new mail arriving, deleting mail etc.
[14:37:43] <adnc> vice-versa: i tried resending by flashing my queue three times within the last ten minutes, but still says the same
[14:38:44] <adnc> your suggestion would be a short term problem forcing the deferral, wouldnt it?
[14:39:00] <vice-versa> what's the size of the accounts mbox?
[14:39:39] <adnc> vice-versa: i don't know. the recipient is my professor, i have no access to his mbox, i even don't know if it is a mbox.
[14:41:01] <vice-versa> I see, so this actually has nothing to do with postfix
[14:41:27] <adnc> my postfix says mailbox busy in the logs. so i was wondering what could cause this problem to
[14:42:00] <adnc> since my own account on the recipient side does recieve mails
[14:42:54] <vice-versa> right, so it's on a remote system for which you have no administrative abilities
[14:43:01] <adnc> yes
[14:43:23] <adnc> and my local mta which is sending the mail and giving the log entry is postfix
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[14:45:18] <vice-versa> well it's out of your hands, all you can do at this point is contact someone in charge of the remote mta and see if they can resolve the issue or at least make them aware of it
[14:45:47] <adnc> how often will postfix try delivering this?
[14:46:19] <vice-versa> incrementally for 5 days by default
[14:47:09] <adnc> i just try to find documentation to this resend behaviour. do you know by hard which postfix documentation describes this?
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[14:49:26] <vice-versa> I would guess it would be documented in the scheduler read me
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[16:04:22] <dikdust> hi my ip is goed into spamhaus db (cbl) cause I have modified hostname from machine.domain.com to fqdnreverseprovider....
[16:05:11] <Dominian> ok..
[16:05:18] <Dominian> and?
[16:05:24] <f3ew> IP?
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[16:07:41] <sysmonk> uff, fixed mio's problem
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[16:08:01] <sysmonk> i should do commercial support ;P
[16:08:43] <dikdust> dogmeat, is possible ?
[16:08:51] <dikdust> Dominian, sorry
[16:09:05] <dikdust> f3ew, I have removed now
[16:09:12] <vice-versa> "Hi I'm a PC" ... "and I'm a sysmonk"
[16:09:33] <sysmonk> REDIRECT vice-versa
[16:09:34] <sysmonk> ;)
[16:09:34] <f3ew> "Hi, I am a Mac", "and I am a sysmonk"
[16:09:50] <sysmonk> btw, where did cpm go ?
[16:09:54] <sysmonk> i haven't seen him for a while
[16:09:55] <f3ew> nfc
[16:10:01] <sysmonk> nfc?
[16:11:04] <Dominian> no f*cking clue
[16:11:09] <sysmonk> ah ;P
[16:11:12] <dikdust> I' m sure that no virus or spam was made from that ip
[16:11:33] <vice-versa> or dogmeat
[16:13:08] <adnc> i would like to ask how many percent aproximately your receiving mails are unwanted, rejected from your postfix mta. some days i've more than 60% is this normal, what values do you experts have?
[16:14:11] <adaptr> do you use an RBL ?
[16:14:16] <adnc> yes
[16:14:24] <adaptr> then 60% is on the low side
[16:14:31] <adaptr> but nothign special
[16:14:37] <adnc> some days i have even more
[16:14:41] <vice-versa> 83.10%
[16:14:45] <adnc> wow
[16:14:47] <adaptr> and ? be glad it's working so well
[16:14:50] <adnc> so i do not have to worry then
[16:14:58] <adnc> yes sure
[16:14:59] <adaptr> better out than in
[16:15:03] <adnc> right
[16:15:05] <adnc> cool
[16:15:25] <adnc> gives me a good feeling.
[16:15:28] <adaptr> run something cool like mailgraph to plot your spam rejection rates
[16:15:35] <adaptr> it'll do viruses too
[16:15:42] <adnc> adaptr: i do have mailgraph from rrd and pflogsum
[16:15:51] <adnc> there i do get the graphs and values
[16:15:58] <adaptr> erm.. mailgraph is a program, it has nothing to do with pflogsum
[16:16:09] <adnc> no, two different statistics
[16:16:17] <adnc> i have one mail report called pflogsum
[16:16:26] <adnc> and one graphing statistics called mailgraph
[16:16:56] <adnc> there i get my statistics for rejected etc.
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[16:20:10] <aster1sk> Using mysql : SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[16:20:24] <adnc> adaptr: are there other alternatives to get statistics?
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[16:27:02] <mikeys> hello
[16:27:17] <mikeys> i am having a problem with sending email to google and yahoo.
[16:27:28] <mikeys> they keep treating my email as spam..
[16:27:47] <vice-versa> bastards
[16:28:15] <mikeys> can someone tell me what how to figure out what the issue is ?
[16:28:51] <mikeys> ??? hello anyone around ?
[16:29:06] <vice-versa> !wait
[16:29:07] <knoba> vice-versa: "wait" : Thank you for choosing #postfix for your postfix related issue. All our knowledgeable volunteers are currently busy or have more important things to take care of. Your inquiries are very important to us, please wait until the next knowledgeable volunteer becomes available. (knoba queues admin waiting music)
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[16:30:03] <seekwill> Stop sending spam, duh
[16:30:30] <mikeys> thanks seekwill..you are some <beep> help
[16:30:45] <mikeys> can i get someone with some inteligence to help me
[16:30:46] <vice-versa> O.o
[16:30:46] <adnc> !wait
[16:30:47] <knoba> adnc: "wait" : Thank you for choosing #postfix for your postfix related issue. All our knowledgeable volunteers are currently busy or have more important things to take care of. Your inquiries are very important to us, please wait until the next knowledgeable volunteer becomes available. (knoba queues admin waiting music)
[16:30:52] <adnc> cool
[16:31:30] <seekwill> lol
[16:31:55] <seekwill> vice-versa: He does not want my unintelligent help :(
[16:32:35] <adnc> don't be complicated, if comone has a hint, give it to him.
[16:32:50] <seekwill> Why?
[16:33:02] <adnc> he is asking for help
[16:33:09] <seekwill> So?
[16:33:12] <adnc> well
[16:33:20] <adnc> maybe in a strange way
[16:33:23] <adnc> ;)
[16:33:26] <adnc> !wait
[16:33:26] <knoba> adnc: "wait" : Thank you for choosing #postfix for your postfix related issue. All our knowledgeable volunteers are currently busy or have more important things to take care of. Your inquiries are very important to us, please wait until the next knowledgeable volunteer becomes available. (knoba queues admin waiting music)
[16:33:29] <adnc> cool
[16:33:35] <seekwill> He seems a bit demanding
[16:33:46] <seekwill> I'll gladly give him the answers, and then invoice him :)
[16:34:10] <adnc> shall i ask him for his address where you can then send the invoice?
[16:34:39] <seekwill> Na, just CC number
[16:35:09] <adnc> mikeys: have you got a CC?
[16:35:38] <mikeys> can you tell me some of the things i can check ? pleaswe
[16:36:06] <adnc> seekwill: now, comeone this does not sounds like a demand. there did eve follow a please
[16:36:15] <seekwill> :P
[16:36:19] <adnc> ;)
[16:36:19] <seekwill> He does not want my help
[16:36:25] <adnc> sure he wants
[16:36:39] <adnc> if you aren't lucky he won't even say thank you
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[16:36:40] <f3ew> mikeys ask postmaster@google?
[16:36:49] <adnc> seekwill: hold one.
[16:36:59] <adnc> mikeys: are you going to thank you seekwill then=
[16:37:01] <adnc> ?
[16:37:40] <mikeys> alright..i will come back when there is someone that can help
[16:37:40] <mikeys> thanks
[16:37:41] <adnc> does posfix support channel needs a sort of diplomat for managing support questions between customers and support team
[16:37:57] <adnc> mikeys: i'm sure this channel is full with those people
[16:38:04] <seekwill> He does not want f3ew's help either :(
[16:38:14] <seekwill> adnc: Customers and support team?
[16:38:14] <adnc> this is bad aswell
[16:38:19] <adnc> yeahh
[16:38:36] <adnc> cc number, support given, support taken, this all sounds like buissiness
[16:38:58] * seekwill doesn't see any CC#
[16:39:15] <adnc> thats correct, we are all waiting for the CC number yet
[16:39:21] <adnc> to be published here
[16:39:26] <seekwill> :)
[16:39:30] <adnc> where then you can bill your invoice
[16:39:37] <adnc> (and maybe some others too)
[16:42:03] <adnc> mikeys: why don't you simply ask these guys? it may take some time, but mostly they are kind people
[16:42:55] * f3ew shrugs
[16:43:03] <f3ew> I have him the best advice I could
[16:43:06] <f3ew> gave*
[16:43:18] * f3ew shrugs. I just write to postmaster@ about such issues
[16:43:39] <adnc> f3ew: and how many times did you get answers?
[16:43:46] <aster1sk> I will pay for help/.
[16:44:02] <adnc> aster1sk: you will have to publish your CC number here then
[16:44:12] <adnc> ;)
[16:44:15] <vice-versa> "Hi, I'm new to postfix, need some help, I only want answers from intelligent postfix professionals because I'm very busy and this is a very important and urgent matter"
[16:44:15] <vice-versa> "helllllo ???"
[16:44:15] <vice-versa> "anyone awake?"
[16:44:15] <vice-versa> "someone answer me god damnit!"
[16:44:19] <aster1sk> I have ~ $10 dollars in my paypal account for the first person to help me with sasl mysql auth.
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[16:44:38] <e_> hey guys
[16:44:40] <aster1sk> Everything is working but sasl.
[16:44:49] <f3ew> adnc _always_
[16:44:52] <e_> how do i modify the response to "user unknown" again?
[16:45:08] <adnc> f3ew: did you try postmaster at hotmail dot com ?
[16:45:23] <f3ew> hotmail > /dev/null
[16:45:25] <e_> i kind of don't want to reply "User unknown in virtual mailbox table"
[16:45:38] <seekwill> vice-versa: "AND I WANT IT NOW!
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[16:46:02] <f3ew> !show_user_unknown_table_name
[16:46:03] <knoba> f3ew: "show_user_unknown_table_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Display the name of the recipient table in the "User unknown" responses. The extra detail makes trouble shooting easier but also reveals information that is nobody elses business.
[16:46:14] <e_> ah, thank you! :)
[16:46:35] <f3ew> aster1sk
[16:46:37] <f3ew> !debug
[16:46:38] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[16:46:50] <cos> I've been seeing a weird thing: qmgr just goes to sleep, effectively.  it happens on a high volume fallback relay when the other mailservers are relaying a lot to it.  not always, just sometimes.
[16:47:21] <aster1sk> SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[16:47:35] <cos> tracing qmgr when this happens shows it's just waiting:
[16:47:35] <cos> strace -p 31741
[16:47:36] <cos> Process 31741 attached - interrupt to quit
[16:47:36] <Dominian> !sasl
[16:47:37] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[16:47:39] <cos> futex(0x2a96b46930, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL
[16:47:45] <cos> and there it waits.
[16:48:04] <cos> stuff keeps coming into the incoming queue, but nothing gets moved to active, and what's already in active isn't looked at.
[16:48:11] <aster1sk> I have read over that doc three times.
[16:48:14] <f3ew> cos, sounds normal
[16:48:27] <cos> f3ew: really?  why?
[16:48:29] <f3ew> Postfix is too busy queueing up messages to be able to move them out of the way
[16:48:37] <f3ew> reduce incoming concurrency
[16:49:37] <cos> so the reason this is haphazard is because it depends on how fast messages are coming in?  I haven't seen that to be true...  for a while, messages are coming in just as quickly but postfix is doing fine.
[16:49:48] <cos> I'll try that for the next mailing, though.
[16:51:43] <aster1sk> if I am using sasl with mysql authentication - do i need to specify mysql settings in /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf or is there something I am missing.
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[17:02:02] <vice-versa> cos: sort of sounds like active queue saturation
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[17:05:34] <aster1sk> Why can I send to local users in the DB but not to gmail accounts?
[17:06:00] <seekwill> What errors do you get?
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[17:09:53] <aster1sk> SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[17:10:14] <seekwill> There's your answer :)
[17:11:55] <aster1sk> Yeah, but I can not trace where the issue lies, is it in my smtpd.conf, in main.cf?  When I attempt to auth smtp using tbird or outlook I get the passwd dialogue over and over.
[17:12:23] <aster1sk> I have a feeling sasl is not authenticating via mysql when I use /usr/sbin/testsaslauthd -u <uname> -p <pw> it fails as well.
[17:12:40] <vice-versa> authenumerate
[17:12:54] <aster1sk> n00b here - explain?
[17:13:32] <aster1sk> would you like a postconf -n?
[17:13:41] <aster1sk> As I said - I am willing to pay...
[17:14:13] <vice-versa> at the command prompt as root, type in authenumerate and press the return key
[17:14:52] <aster1sk> Not compiled - I will have to do that.
[17:15:42] <cos> vice-versa: saturation?  what specifically does that mean?
[17:15:54] <cos> the active queue is not full, if that's what you mean
[17:16:12] <cos> and if it were full, it'd cause qmgr to stop scanning incoming, but it wouldn't stop messages in active being attempted
[17:16:20] <aster1sk> not in repos, I have to find it
[17:16:35] <mikeys> i have $15 in my paypall account for someone to help me with my spam issue ?
[17:16:50] <Dominian> hahahaha
[17:16:53] * Dominian goes back to work
[17:17:09] <seekwill> We all know Dominian doesn't work. He plays WoW all day
[17:17:17] <Dominian> I hate WoW
[17:17:21] <Dominian> Enemey Territory... maybe
[17:17:27] <aba-> mmmm ET
[17:17:33] * seekwill doesn't play any games :(
[17:17:33] * Dominian is a professional internet circuit tester.. I make sure the internet is working :P
[17:17:38] <mikeys> nobody can help with yahoo and google spam issue ?
[17:17:44] <Dominian> and! I just got a free copy of Enemy Territory Quakewars
[17:17:58] <seekwill> What kind of game is ET?
[17:18:13] <Dominian> seekwill: First person shooter.. WWII-based
[17:18:22] <Dominian> mikeys: what spam problem?
[17:18:30] <Dominian> mikeys: are they rejecting emails from you?
[17:18:33] <seekwill> Dominian: $15
[17:18:36] <Dominian> and if they are.. what response code are you getting back?
[17:18:39] <Dominian> seekwill: don't want th emoney
[17:18:42] <Dominian> Just want to shut im up
[17:18:43] <Dominian> hehe
[17:18:47] <vice-versa> cos: yeah that's what I meant
[17:18:48] <f3ew> mikeys ask postmaster@google? <===== SERIOUSLY
[17:18:53] <seekwill> haha
[17:19:34] <Dominian> wtf
[17:19:39] <Dominian> ok.. I'm so .. whateva
[17:19:48] * Dominian ignores
[17:19:49] <cos> vice-versa: definitely not the issue.  when active queue is full, delivery keeps happening, and whenever a slot frees up in the active queue, qmgr immediately fills it with something from incoming, until incoming is empty.
[17:20:18] <cos> I know in these cases that the active queue is well below its limit, but I also see behavior that's very different from what happens when it is full.
[17:21:02] <mikeys> Oct 21 11:21:52 rider amavis[743]: (00743-09) Passed CLEAN, LOCAL [127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1] <mjh at pickaride dot com> -> <mjh55_98 at yahoo dot com>, Message-ID: <1771.192.168.2.26.1224602511.squirrel at www dot pickaride.com>, mail_id: omn5zdf+CzJs, Hits: -1.004, queued_as: F165A17D42E6, 347 ms
[17:21:02] <mikeys> Oct 21 11:21:52 rider postfix/smtp[7757]: 9580117D402A: to=<mjh55_98 at yahoo dot com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.46, delays=0.11/0/0/0.35, dsn=2.6.0, status=sent (250 2.6.0 Ok, id=00743-09, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as F165A17D42E6)
[17:21:02] <mikeys> Oct 21 11:21:52 rider postfix/qmgr[5485]: 9580117D402A: removed
[17:21:02] <mikeys> Oct 21 11:21:55 rider postfix/smtp[7765]: F165A17D42E6: host d.mx.mail.yahoo.com[66.196.82.7] refused to talk to me: 421 Message from (72.89.70.147) temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html
[17:21:16] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[17:21:17] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[17:21:27] <Dominian> read the freakin defer statement that it posts in your logs
[17:21:27] <mikeys> sorry
[17:21:30] <Dominian> there's your answer right there
[17:21:39] <mofino> mikeys, what is your problem?
[17:21:44] <mofino> i hope it's not the yahoo issue
[17:21:45] <mikeys> it does not point to much
[17:21:47] <seekwill> lol
[17:21:49] <mofino> that's extremely obvious
[17:22:09] <mikeys> no $15 ???
[17:22:14] <mofino> what?
[17:22:28] <mikeys> nobody wants $15 in paypal account ?
[17:22:34] <f3ew> He's ogffing $15 for a solution
[17:22:42] <Dominian> the solution is right there!
[17:22:46] <Dominian> for crying out loud
[17:22:47] <f3ew> the only people with the solution are the folks at Y!
[17:22:49] <mofino> he has head trauma
[17:23:02] <mikeys> i am glad you were able to figure that part out ...but waht about the email ?>
[17:23:08] <f3ew> mikeys what part of write to postmaster@ did you not get?
[17:23:17] <Dominian> for fucks sake
[17:23:21] <Dominian> mikeys: They are greylisting you!
[17:23:23] * Dominian dies
[17:23:24] <f3ew> no
[17:23:26] <mofino> mikeys, what are you talking about?!  speak clearly
[17:23:30] <cos> it's yahoo.  they probably won't respond to you.  but fill out their form anyway, because they might.
[17:23:34] <f3ew> the deferral is infinitely long
[17:23:38] <cos> it's not greylisting really, it's a rate limit.
[17:23:43] <seekwill> cos: Yahoo does respond to you
[17:23:47] <Dominian> f3ew: aye.. it boils down to "greylisting" fill out the form.. that goes away..
[17:23:52] <seekwill> cos: Well to me, at least :)
[17:23:54] <mofino> Dominian, indeed
[17:23:55] <Dominian> however
[17:24:00] <Dominian> If you trully want them to "stop".. use DKIM
[17:24:00] <cos> seekwill: in my experience, they respond sometime between a week and never
[17:24:03] <mikeys> no answer ?
[17:24:04] * Dominian shrugs
[17:24:10] <seekwill> Dominian: They like DK
[17:24:15] <Dominian> seekwill: aye
[17:24:15] <cos> seekwill: except when they're contacted on behalf of someone big and important
[17:24:20] <Dominian> DK/DKIM..
[17:24:21] <mofino> mikeys, answer for what?
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[17:24:23] <Dominian> either or.. or both
[17:24:24] <Dominian> won't hurt
[17:24:33] <Dominian> mikeys: christ.. read the channel.. we are spewing answeres right now
[17:24:35] <Dominian> lol
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[17:24:37] <mikeys> no $15 ???
[17:24:38] <seekwill> cos: hehe, /me must be big and important
[17:24:44] <mofino> he's a scammer or something
[17:24:46] <f3ew> mikeys _free_
[17:24:48] <mofino> i don't get it
[17:25:04] <mikeys> i am looking for help guys
[17:25:09] <cos> mikey: just go to that yahoo url and fill out their forms, okay?
[17:25:14] <mofino> mikeys, you are being incoherent
[17:25:15] <seekwill> I think you're looking for your hand to be held
[17:25:27] <mikeys> i have done that ...nothing..no one responds
[17:25:37] <mofino> then what do you want anyone here to do?
[17:25:41] <cos> nothing we can do about it.  it's yahoo that's deferring your mail.
[17:25:42] <seekwill> cos: I get a response within 48 hours (generally 24, unless I sent in the request over the weekend)
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[17:26:08] <mikeys> okay..thanks guys...bye
[17:27:44] <seekwill> bye! Good luck!
[17:28:17] <Dominian> time to register: imnotholdingyourhand.com
[17:28:52] * seekwill wants the subdomain "unlessyourehot"
[17:30:34] <Dominian> lol
[17:30:58] <Dominian> If I didn't already have a bunch of domains registered.. .I'd register that one
[17:31:15] <seekwill> What's one more?
[17:31:32] <seekwill> godaddy!
[17:32:00] <Dominian> heh
[17:32:05] <Dominian> wife would kill me.
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[17:32:16] <seekwill> then you get "unlessyouremywife"
[17:32:23] <Dominian> seekwill: hahaha
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[18:21:10] <aster1sk> I am going to start drinking heavily if I cant figure this out.
[18:21:20] * seekwill hands aster1sk a bottle of scotch
[18:21:36] * vice-versa pulls up a stool
[18:21:46] <aster1sk> I didn't follow through last night - but I have my keys in hand.
[18:22:14] * seekwill takes away aster1sk keys
[18:22:36] <aster1sk> Why would sasl hate mysql? Everything else works perfectly but smtp authentication via sasl/mysql
[18:23:09] <seekwill> Who doesn't hate MySQL???
[18:23:17] <Dominian> ME!
[18:23:25] <aster1sk> I love mysql, I am hating SASL.
[18:23:33] * f3ew frowns at seekwill
[18:23:39] * f3ew takes away the Scotch
[18:23:40] <Dominian> aster1sk: what are you using to do the sasl?
[18:23:59] <aster1sk> How do you mean?
[18:24:00] <seekwill> :(
[18:24:11] <Dominian> aster1sk: dovecot.. cyrus..?
[18:24:15] <aster1sk> Cyrus
[18:24:57] <Dominian> ah
[18:25:02] <Dominian> dovecot is easier :P
[18:25:36] <aster1sk> Is it?  I need to configure virtual users with mysql.  They can all login to dovecot fine and dandy.
[18:25:54] <Dominian> I use dovecot for sasl.. works a charm.. and very simple.
[18:25:56] <aster1sk> I can receive mail perfectly - but sending just keeps popping up the password dialogue.
[18:26:13] <aster1sk> Maybe you can explain how you have it set up with mysql and I will send you money?
[18:26:31] <dikdust> aster1sk, what does the log says '
[18:26:33] <dikdust> ?
[18:26:51] <dikdust> auth, daemon, mail* smtp -v ?
[18:26:53] <aster1sk> SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[18:27:17] <aster1sk> thats in /var/log/maillog
[18:27:23] <aster1sk> Only warning.
[18:27:33] <dikdust> aster1sk, you have copied the sasl files in /var/spool/postfix* ?
[18:27:52] <aster1sk> Sasl files from /usr/lib/sasl2/ ?
[18:28:45] <Desynced> aster1sk: i beat you to it...im trying to understand postfix, dovecot, and roundcube configuration...had to go to the gas station at 10am and pick up a 6 pack f red stripe and pop a klonopin
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[18:29:43] <aster1sk> Haha yeah it appears postix leads to heavy drinking.
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[18:29:50] <aster1sk> I got roundcube working great though.
[18:29:54] <vice-versa> !sasl_test
[18:29:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl_test" : http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_test
[18:30:26] <Desynced> my problem...i have never touched mysql
[18:30:47] <aster1sk> I develop web apps in PHP so I am quite crafty with mysql.
[18:31:31] <dikdust> aster1sk,  ls -alh /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
[18:32:05] <aster1sk> Oh dear I am about to earn n00b status : ls: /var/spool/postfix/private/auth: No such file or directory
[18:32:16] <dikdust> gh
[18:32:29] <dikdust> so no sasl .-.
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[18:33:01] <aster1sk> I need to create this directory and copy files to it - but what files?
[18:33:17] <dikdust> grep smtpd_sasl_path /etc/postfix/main.cf
[18:33:58] <vice-versa> O.o
[18:34:04] <aster1sk> smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
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[18:34:27] <dikdust> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[18:34:35] <vice-versa> why would you grep main.cf?
[18:34:47] <vice-versa> postconf smtpd_sasl_path
[18:35:07] <dikdust> vice-versa, postconf is better. thanks vice-versa :)
[18:35:44] <vice-versa> right, and fwiw you're leading aster1sk astray
[18:36:01] <aster1sk> Yeah I am paying for this support! LOL
[18:36:26] <vice-versa> how much?
[18:36:30] <aster1sk> so I added
[18:36:30] <aster1sk> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[18:36:30] <aster1sk>  and removed
[18:36:43] <vice-versa> oh and btw, it's your round
[18:36:44] <aster1sk> smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
[18:37:38] <aster1sk> I have about ten buxks in my paypal for whoever helps me get this going - if I had more in there I would pay more.
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[18:38:25] <aster1sk> Thats enough for two premium beers, I think that should cover a few mins of your time ;)
[18:38:41] <vice-versa> mmmm, buxks, my favourite
[18:38:53] <aster1sk> Haha $10 Canadian Dollars.
[18:38:53] <dikdust> path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
[18:38:53] <dikdust>  in dovecot.conf
[18:39:12] <vice-versa> oh, Canada
[18:39:17] <vice-versa> Where at?
[18:39:31] <aster1sk> Toronto.
[18:39:39] <vice-versa> Halifax
[18:39:47] <seekwill> Vancouver
[18:39:55] <dikdust> Italy
[18:39:57] * vice-versa gives aster1sk the finger
[18:40:01] <vice-versa> !saslfinger
[18:40:01] <knoba> vice-versa: "saslfinger" : SASL authentication debugging tool for Postfix: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/
[18:40:22] <dikdust> for client { I mean
[18:40:40] <aster1sk> saslfinger is not in my repos - is it part of another package or do I need to compile...
[18:40:58] <vice-versa> it's a script
[18:41:15] <aster1sk> ahh, ok
[18:41:48] <dikdust> someone know a good log analyzer for postfix with spam-statistics and blah
[18:41:51] <dikdust> ?
[18:42:19] <vice-versa> Perl
[18:42:34] <dikdust> vice-versa, my hand and perl you mean :D
[18:42:53] <aster1sk> OK what in saslfinger could help you diagnose?
[18:43:24] <vice-versa> all of it
[18:43:39] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[18:43:39] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[18:43:49] <dikdust> anyway I guess you haven't socket listening
[18:44:07] <aster1sk> oh dear lol
[18:44:20] <aster1sk> Cannot find the smtp_sasl_password_maps parameter in main.cf.
[18:44:20] <aster1sk> Client-side SMTP AUTH cannot work without this parameter!
[18:44:52] <dikdust> aster1sk, you have followed some howto or this is a work in progress on your own project ?
[18:45:53] <aster1sk> I began with a how to - then dropped that idea because nothing was working... Decided to start from scratch and compile everything and I got it all on my own thus far (using ideas from how to's) and now I am "step last" which seems to be hanging for far too many hours.
[18:46:30] <dikdust> uhm not a good Idea compile everything ...
[18:46:30] <vice-versa> aster1sk: -s
[18:46:42] <vice-versa> what?
[18:47:00] <dikdust> if you want to update your system is not simple ...
[18:47:09] <dikdust> anyway
[18:47:12] <vice-versa> O.o
[18:47:43] <aster1sk> postfix is compiled - cyrus-sasl, mysql and dovecot are bin ()
[18:47:53] <dikdust> ahr cyrus ?
[18:47:55] <dikdust> .-.
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[18:48:40] <aster1sk> Centos had no support for mysql5 with postfix-mysql,  SRPM  was no luck and the suse rpm required me to downgrade everything.
[18:48:50] <dikdust> I have understand that you are using dovecot
[18:48:55] <dikdust> my fault..
[18:48:56] <aster1sk> Yes.
[18:49:03] <dikdust> ?_?
[18:49:31] <dikdust> centos .-.
[18:50:11] <dikdust> I guess I can' t help you sorry
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[18:50:48] <dikdust> anyway cyrus sasl isn't useful
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[18:51:09] <dikdust> you need libsasl or something like that
[18:51:28] <aster1sk> I believe I have it
[18:51:30] <dikdust> if you want that dovecot make all the auth mechanism
[18:51:31] <dikdust> ok
[18:51:37] * vice-versa loses interest
[18:52:10] <aster1sk> care to see my finger?
[18:52:13] <aster1sk> http://pastebin.com/d3ae083e
[18:52:14] <dikdust> you have created mysql db for this ?
[18:52:59] <aster1sk> Yes
[18:53:14] <aster1sk> Everything but smtp authentication via sasl + mysql works perfectly.
[18:53:38] <dikdust> you have mixed something
[18:54:49] <aster1sk> How do you mean?
[18:54:55] <dikdust> in this setup dovecot isn't doing what you what
[18:55:02] <vice-versa> aster1sk: are you trying to auth to *your* server or auth to *some other* from your server?
[18:55:18] <aster1sk> my server.
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[18:55:45] <vice-versa> then you need to grasp the difference between client & server
[18:55:58] <vice-versa> !smtp!=smtpd
[18:55:59] <knoba> vice-versa: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[18:56:35] <vice-versa> pastebin the output from saslfinger -s
[18:56:55] <aster1sk> It is under the three rows of ###
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[18:57:44] <aster1sk> I just /usr/bin/saslfinger -c > sasl_client  && /usr/bin/saslfinger -s > sasl_server
[18:58:00] <aster1sk> then pasted them both on pastebin seperated by a ton of ####
[18:59:07] <vice-versa> have you verified auth locally using telnet as outlined in the !sasl_test factoid?
[18:59:51] <aster1sk> I used /usr/sbin/testsaslauthd -u username -p password and it didnt auth
[19:00:08] <dikdust> I guess I haven't understood what you want to do
[19:00:12] <aster1sk> I htink I am missing some stuff in smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[19:00:35] <dikdust> you only need that your mail client send mail wit authentication ?
[19:00:39] <dikdust> *with
[19:00:43] <aster1sk> Yes
[19:01:07] <dikdust> so you don't need many of this conf
[19:01:41] <aster1sk> Probably not.  It is just funny how dovecot does everything it should and authenticates users in the db, but postfix will not.
[19:02:00] <dikdust> isn' t the same
[19:02:16] <MarkRichman> I'm on a conf call with my client regarding TLS + client cert....they pulled in a dozen people, plus a rep from their mail provider just to answer my question.
[19:02:23] <MarkRichman> wtf.
[19:02:32] <aster1sk> Guess not. LOL
[19:02:41] <Dominian> hahaha
[19:02:44] <Dominian> MarkRichman: that's great
[19:02:54] <MarkRichman> bureaucrats
[19:03:05] <dikdust> you  only need http://pastebin.com/m32abcfdd aster1sk
[19:03:38] <vice-versa> aster1sk: try your testsaslauthd again using -s smtpd
[19:03:38] <dikdust> and obvious dovecot must be configured as well
[19:03:43] <aster1sk> That can't be my entire main.cf
[19:04:23] <dikdust> vice-versa, he just want to use dovecot to do all :P
[19:04:35] <dikdust> anyway :D
[19:04:38] <aster1sk> Nice.
[19:06:15] <aster1sk> Authentication failed after postfix restart / reload
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[19:12:26] <aster1sk> Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory
[19:13:22] <aster1sk> What should be in there?
[19:13:46] <Dominian> hrm
[19:14:02] <Dominian> smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth is what ou have in main.cf?
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[19:14:31] <Dominian> and: path = /var/spool/postfix/private/auth   in dovecot.conf ?
[19:14:33] <aster1sk> yes
[19:14:39] <aster1sk> Checking
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[19:14:53] <mofino> why not use the default in /etc/postfix/sasl?
[19:15:03] <Dominian> it'll be under the "socket listen" area
[19:15:11] <Dominian> eh
[19:15:15] <aster1sk> ?
[19:15:22] <Dominian> mofino: what OS are you running?
[19:15:27] <mofino> sec
[19:15:34] * Dominian has no sasl directory or what not in /etc/postfix
[19:15:38] <dactor> hello all, i am looking for features of postfix (or other mailserver soft) similar to the exchange server such as contact, calender...etc. please advise
[19:15:51] <mofino> Dominian, yeah mine is there
[19:15:57] <Dominian> mofino: what OS though
[19:16:03] <aster1sk> Ahh I see it here
[19:16:03] <mofino> debian
[19:16:04] <Dominian> because that sounds like an OS-specific addition they've done.
[19:16:11] <Dominian> yeah.. debian.
[19:16:13] <mofino> Dominian, yeah might be
[19:16:19] <Dominian> yeah that's debian-ish
[19:16:21] <Dominian> :)
[19:16:26] <Dominian> ubuntu does the same damn thing
[19:16:32] <mofino> ok
[19:16:48] <Dominian> dactor: no such thing exists for postfix.. you're going to wanna look at something like Zimbra
[19:16:50] <mofino> yeah my path is smtpd_sasl_path = smtpd
[19:17:18] <Dominian> oops
[19:17:19] <dactor> Dominion: thanks alot.....appreciate it....
[19:17:24] <Dominian> dactor: no problem
[19:22:16] <aster1sk> Still not sending! GAHH!2
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[19:23:52] <Dominian> damn
[19:24:02] <Dominian> what's the error this time?
[19:24:28] <aster1sk> Sec
[19:25:34] <aster1sk> atal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[19:25:56] <Dominian> eh
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[19:26:09] <dikdust> aster1sk, you need ONLY the lines above
[19:26:21] <Dominian> what do you have under "auth default" in dovecot.conf
[19:26:27] <dikdust> the rest is for the smtpd auth that you don't need
[19:26:29] <Dominian> at least: mechanisms = plain login
[19:26:57] <Dominian> I thought hew as trying to do auth..
[19:27:02] <Dominian> unless I'm totally missing something
[19:27:06] <dikdust> Dominian, for dovecot.
[19:27:14] <aster1sk>   mechanisms = plain
[19:27:36] <aster1sk> Everything else is commented.
[19:27:47] <dikdust> I mean : using dovecot to auth clients to send mail
[19:27:55] <Dominian> dikdust: right
[19:28:04] <aster1sk> Thats what I want to do.
[19:28:46] <dikdust> plain is enough anyway :P
[19:28:48] <Dominian> does postconf -a specify that sasl support is compiled in to postfix...?
[19:28:49] <dikdust> :P
[19:28:56] <aster1sk> yes
[19:29:17] <Dominian> what does it return?
[19:29:34] <Dominian> should return "dovecot" at least
[19:29:38] <aster1sk> [root@fe1 admin]# /usr/sbin/postconf -a
[19:29:38] <aster1sk> cyrus
[19:29:38] <aster1sk> dovecot
[19:30:24] <Dominian> ls -al /var/spool/postfix/private/auth
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[19:30:35] <dikdust> empty :P
[19:30:36] <dikdust> ?
[19:30:36] <dikdust> :D
[19:30:51] <aster1sk> nope its there
[19:30:53] <Dominian> if it is.. then I'd say permissions for the socket aren't correct in dovecot.conf
[19:30:58] <Dominian> what are the perms on it?
[19:31:00] <Dominian> who owns it
[19:31:08] <aster1sk> postfix:postfix
[19:31:23] <Dominian> well that's right then
[19:31:30] <aster1sk> Yeah
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[19:31:43] <Dominian> I had that issue as well at one point.. and I think it was eithe rsomething in dovecot.conf or something with permissions somewhere...
[19:31:43] <dikdust> ls -al of it ?
[19:31:46] <Dominian> but its been so long..
[19:31:54] <jeeter522> hey guys - having an issue here w. smtp...outgoing mail is working perfectly fine in my situation, problem is, say i try to telnet to my WAN host, 25...nothing, its as if postfix as frozen, if i telnet to the LAN host on 25, perfectly fine, and my interface for receiving is set to ALL, any ideas?
[19:32:00] <jeeter522> im possibly thinking it could be my router?
[19:32:03] <aster1sk> All are owned by postfix
[19:32:12] <dikdust> jeeter522, firewalls ?
[19:32:19] <jeeter522> dikdust : off
[19:32:20] <dikdust> nat ?
[19:32:23] <jeeter522> yep
[19:32:26] <Dominian> jeeter522: what router are you using?
[19:32:34] <jeeter522> just a consumer grade linksys
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[19:32:42] <dikdust> other services answering correctly ?
[19:32:43] <Dominian> and you have port 25 forwarded to the internal IP?
[19:32:47] <jeeter522> yep
[19:32:56] <Desynced> in main.cf the mynetworks parameter....im trying to understand the meaning of it. what exactly does "relay mail through postfix" mean? is that so people cannot use my email server to send mail from without an account on it?
[19:32:57] <jeeter522> dikdust : yes, everything else seems fine
[19:33:13] <Dominian> Desynced: right
[19:33:18] <Desynced> gotcha
[19:33:37] <jeeter522> this just happened about 40 minutes ago, no more mail
[19:33:48] <jeeter522> outgoing smtp works fine
[19:33:54] <jeeter522> this is a MaiLScanner setup
[19:33:57] <Dominian> jeeter522: restarted postfix?
[19:34:02] <jeeter522> yep
[19:34:06] <jeeter522> rebooted the whole server as well
[19:34:08] <Dominian> well mailscanner wouldn't play into port 25 having issues
[19:34:13] <Dominian> jeeter522: Did you reboot the router?
[19:34:15] <jeeter522> no NDR's either
[19:34:21] <jeeter522> yea rebooted router and modem as well
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[19:34:24] <Dominian> wow
[19:34:26] <Dominian> weird
[19:34:30] <jeeter522> ands the WAN IP didnt change either
[19:34:36] <dikdust> aster1sk, sql tables ?
[19:34:41] <aster1sk> All set
[19:34:52] <Desynced> so mynetworks_style = host would be sufficient for webmail only?
[19:34:54] <Dominian> aster1sk: working now!?
[19:35:09] <aster1sk> Nope I am combing through all configs looking for anything goofy
[19:35:25] <Dominian> ok
[19:35:29] <jeeter522> just to confirm, anyone wanna try telnet on 25 to my host? imcsbs.imcinternet.net
[19:35:34] <dikdust> what is the last error aster1sk  ?
[19:35:40] <aster1sk> sec
[19:36:00] <aster1sk> fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[19:36:14] <dikdust> aster1sk, try to put only plain
[19:36:30] <dikdust> and remove any mechanism line in main.cf
[19:36:31] <aster1sk> In .usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf  or in dovecot.conf?
[19:36:38] <dikdust> remove smtpd.conf
[19:36:44] <dikdust> you don't need it.
[19:36:49] <aster1sk> ok
[19:37:06] <aster1sk> Thank god - that was a nightmare.
[19:37:19] <dikdust> that is for smtpD auth
[19:37:30] <aster1sk> Yeah using dovecot now.
[19:37:45] <dikdust> I haven't said it before .-. ?
[19:37:54] <Dominian> aster1sk: it worked eh?
[19:37:58] <aster1sk> Checking
[19:38:03] <dikdust> oooh
[19:38:29] <dikdust> jeeter522, any local firewall ?
[19:38:34] <dikdust> netstat -taun|grep 25
[19:38:47] <jeeter522> iptables but it allows
[19:38:55] <dikdust> uhm ...
[19:39:02] <dikdust> free ?
[19:39:07] <jeeter522> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:25                  0.0.0.0:*                   LISTEN
[19:39:17] <dikdust> maybe connection tables is dying .-.
[19:39:33] <dikdust> try to log package going into machine
[19:39:35] <jeeter522> i shut it off and tried, still no dice
[19:39:44] <dikdust> free ?
[19:39:44] <aster1sk> sending message hangs
[19:39:58] <jeeter522> free?
[19:40:09] <dikdust> jeeter522, I mean free command :P
[19:40:12] <dikdust> maybe low ram
[19:40:17] <jeeter522> saslauthd sock file in the chroot area only needs to be created once, right ?
[19:40:17] <dikdust> or something like it
[19:40:49] <jeeter522> i dont understand how it connects local though, like everything is fine, and as soon as i go WAN, boom. its like not responsive
[19:40:51] <dikdust> ?
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[19:41:33] <dikdust> jeeter522, have you got any other services supposed to work at the moment ?
[19:41:55] <jeeter522> nope just postfix/mailscanner
[19:42:13] <jeeter522> its just acting as a front end for my exchange server
[19:42:15] <dikdust> it seems a firewall issues anyway
[19:43:03] <Dominian> jeeter522: what's the IP?
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[19:43:15] <jiraia> hello i am doing an integration between AD and postfix, but is not working very well, with the command works testsaslauthd
[19:43:34] <jeeter522> 70.138.21.150 /imcsbs.imcinternet.net
[19:43:37] <jiraia> root@mail:~# testsaslauthd -u email -p 123
[19:43:38] <jiraia> 0: OK "Success."
[19:43:38] <jiraia> root@mail:~#
[19:43:54] <dikdust> jeeter522, iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -i eth? --dport 25 -j LOG
[19:44:06] <dikdust> or forward or what is
[19:44:18] <dikdust> and see if packet are arriving to mail server
[19:45:00] <Dominian> jeeter522: weird
[19:45:02] <jeeter522> what can i use to sniff out packets on 25? should i use wireshark or is there something build into fedora
[19:45:03] <dikdust> I have lost about a week for a problem like that
[19:45:11] <Dominian> tcpdump
[19:45:13] <dikdust> jeeter522, use iptables
[19:45:14] <dikdust> :D
[19:45:21] <jiraia> my setting
[19:45:21] <jiraia> http://rafb.net/p/2Pi4Jv15.html
[19:45:22] <Dominian> tcpdump -npi eth? port 25
[19:45:23] <jeeter522> dikdust : where does it log to ?
[19:45:29] <jeeter522> hmm
[19:45:31] <dikdust> messages
[19:45:35] <Dominian> jeeter522: I can't even traceroute to that ip
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[19:45:40] <Dominian> jeeter522: go to whatismyip.com
[19:45:44] <Dominian> jeeter522: I'm guessing your IP changed.
[19:45:46] <jeeter522> yea i did dominian
[19:45:48] <jeeter522> thats what i thought
[19:45:49] <jeeter522> it didnt
[19:45:53] <Dominian> hrm
[19:46:00] <jeeter522> thjey are upgrading us to a 6meg line
[19:46:01] <Dominian> jeeter522: slackadelic.com/ip.php return anything different?
[19:46:05] <jeeter522> but they said they WOULDNT change ip
[19:46:25] <jeeter522> not on that gateway
[19:46:31] <jeeter522> hold on ill go over to machine
[19:46:49] <dikdust> jeeter522, router ping is closed ?
[19:47:13] <jeeter522> yea i have wan request block
[19:47:14] <jeeter522> ill allow
[19:47:20] <dikdust> try
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[19:47:33] <Dominian> I have a constant ping going to it right now
[19:47:41] <dikdust> same for me :)
[19:47:50] <jeeter522> yea same IP on that URL
[19:47:54] <Dominian> weird
[19:48:08] <dikdust> you aren't reachable
[19:48:11] <jeeter522> tcpdump listening on 25
[19:48:16] <jiraia> someone could help me?
[19:48:19] <jeeter522> gotta be on the demarc
[19:48:23] <jeeter522> or upstream to the provider
[19:48:27] <jeeter522> this shit just doesnt die
[19:48:35] <Dominian> jeeter522: Well, the traceroute is dyeing
[19:48:40] <Dominian> and pinging isn't working
[19:48:55] <Dominian> bras12-g12-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net
[19:48:59] <Dominian> it dies right there
[19:48:59] <jeeter522> after how many hops
[19:49:03] <jeeter522> 9
[19:49:04] <jeeter522> for me
[19:49:09] <dikdust> you can't do anything that send a tuxbomb to your provider: P
[19:49:11] <jeeter522> yep dying same spot
[19:49:15] <dikdust> *than
[19:49:37] <jeeter522> i could only imagine it being upstream
[19:49:38] <Dominian> jeeter522: May want to put a call into the Telco
[19:49:42] <jeeter522> yep
[19:49:51] <jeeter522> its def. not the box
[19:50:06] <Dominian> don't think so.
[19:50:06] <jeeter522> funny though that inet is fine on that line
[19:50:14] * Dominian shrugs
[19:50:17] <Dominian> could be anything causing it
[19:50:23] <jeeter522> and outgoing is working
[19:50:26] <Dominian> is postfix running nt hat box?
[19:50:28] <jeeter522> ima swap the router first
[19:50:28] <jeeter522> yea
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[19:50:34] <Dominian> yeah .. swap the router...
[19:50:38] <Dominian> that maks no sense everything else is working
[19:51:24] <dikdust> maybe the provider is routing outgoing traffic
[19:51:33] <dikdust> uhm
[19:51:59] <dikdust> or providers firewall issues
[19:52:02] <jeeter522> maybe they blocked 25
[19:52:04] <jeeter522> hrmm
[19:52:08] <jeeter522> i wonder if im on any xbl/cbl
[19:52:33] <jeeter522> nope
[19:52:35] <dikdust> jeeter522, even you were into, provider can't block ports
[19:52:43] <jeeter522> over here, providers will block 25
[19:52:49] <dikdust> :O
[19:53:06] <jeeter522> shit im gonna have to use a hacked firmware router
[19:53:06] <dikdust> in Italy providers are lamerous
[19:53:07] <dikdust> .-.
[19:53:09] <jeeter522> its a pinch :P
[19:53:39] * vice-versa thinks it's because Jupiter is in line with Saturn
[19:53:45] <dikdust> rotfl
[19:54:03] <dikdust> time for dinner cya
[19:54:19] <Dominian> jeeter522: are you on an at&t business line?
[19:54:35] <jeeter522> yes
[19:54:57] <jeeter522> brfb ima swap this
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[20:08:57] <aster1sk> ok
[20:09:08] <aster1sk> I got postfix using dovecot for auth now.  Working good
[20:09:25] <aster1sk> Still cannot send to gmail user!
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[20:10:26] <aster1sk> Now getting : Relay Access is Denied.
[20:10:56] <seekwill> You know, Google hosts mail quiet nicely
[20:11:20] <jeeter522> nope
[20:11:23] <jeeter522> new router no dice
[20:11:40] <aster1sk> Haha I know but it is not what the client wants.
[20:12:43] <vice-versa> yeah good plan. hosting your mail with a data mining company
[20:12:59] <seekwill> aster1sk: What does the client want?
[20:13:07] <seekwill> aster1sk: And, what does the client REALLY want? :)
[20:13:19] * vice-versa hands out tinfoil hats
[20:13:30] <seekwill> vice-versa: In Google We Trust
[20:13:37] <aster1sk> Agreed,.
[20:13:42] <aster1sk> I may do that.
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[20:14:08] <vice-versa> pffft, use to be God, and look how that turned out
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[20:17:22] <kpettit> Having a "No route to host(port 25)" error.  I've gone through various readme's and such and know it's not a firewall problem.
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[20:18:11] <kpettit> I get the same error if sending to any domain I've tried.  I've gone through the main.cf and any changes I make there don't seem to make a differnce.  But I've verified my hostname and domainname are correct
[20:18:14] <kpettit> any ideas?
[20:18:30] <seekwill> Networking
[20:18:34] <seekwill> Telnet
[20:18:36] <kpettit> ?
[20:18:40] <seekwill> !
[20:19:08] <seekwill> "No route to host" is a fairly good indication that your networking needs a little tweaking
[20:19:12] <kpettit> I am able to telnet to the smtp port, and I've even flushed IP tables during tables to make sure there isn't anything there blocking
[20:19:14] <seekwill> Can you telnet?
[20:19:18] <kpettit> yes.
[20:19:29] <seekwill> What is the full error message/logline?
[20:19:54] <kpettit> Oct 21 11:16:30 intranet postfix/smtp[23482]: connect to alt1.aspmx.l.google.com[72.14.205.27]: No route to host (port 25)
[20:20:16] <seekwill> And when you do telnet 72.14.205.27  25 it works?
[20:20:25] <seekwill> From thatbox
[20:20:38] <kpettit> no
[20:20:45] <kpettit> I hadn't tried that yet.
[20:20:54] <seekwill> bah
[20:21:13] <kpettit> So what does that mean if smtp is open locally but I can't telnet smtp to google's server?
[20:21:37] <seekwill> And when you do telnet 72.14.205.27  25..../
[20:21:57] <seekwill> You can open a port in a firewall, but you don't have to have the network cable plugged in
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[20:25:50] <kpettit> it's some sort of routing problem.  I've got dual nic's and I think it's trying to route through my private lan or something
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[20:29:41] <vice-versa> kpettit: what's your default route configured as?
[20:30:29] <sysmonk> evening
[20:31:06] * vice-versa waves to sysmonk
[20:31:46] <kpettit> vice-versa, I don't see a defaultroute type setting in main.cf.  Were you talking about something else?
[20:31:53] <sysmonk> o_O
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[20:32:01] * vice-versa bails
[20:32:16] <sysmonk> vice-versa: poor thing, i see you're helping advanced users
[20:32:42] * vice-versa passes the flag to sysmonk
[20:33:00] * sysmonk is busy holding a fork
[20:33:07] * kpettit hides from the bitch slapping
[20:35:40] <sysmonk> vice-versa: btw, i've fixed mia's problem, he had ... um...
[20:35:46] <sysmonk> he had everything wrong :P
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[20:36:00] <vice-versa> yeah no doubt
[20:36:17] <sysmonk> poor guy had qpopper for pop3, cyrus for imap, delivered to mbox when he had to deliver to cyrus
[20:36:25] <sysmonk> had nss_ldap misconfiguration problem
[20:37:12] <sysmonk> what else... had syslog logging cyrus stuff to /var/log/syslog, not to /var/log/maillog, and when i asked to check his logs he couldn't find anything about cyrus ;/
[20:37:20] <sysmonk> he had _everything_ wrong :P
[20:37:50] <vice-versa> sad
[20:37:52] <sysmonk> oh, also, he had pop3 configured in cyrus, but no pop3d binary
[20:37:56] <cos> when I see a log message of this form: postfix/qmgr[19082]: C08B1182BED: from=<CgdXWAJtUQJVC1ENUwYBWFYKAwcEVQ@domain>, size=7015, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[20:38:08] <cos> that means qmgr has just taken that message from incoming and put it in active, correct?
[20:38:26] <sysmonk> i'm not even talking about chrooted lmtp transport and permission issues
[20:38:46] <vice-versa> kpettit: ....as in your default network route, the one the kernel decides to toss packets at when it doesn't know what to do with them
[20:39:12] <sysmonk> vice-versa: kernel32.dll
[20:40:05] <vice-versa> cos: that's how i would interpret it
[20:40:15] <kpettit> netstat -lnp | grep :25 gives me tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 23605/master
[20:41:02] <kpettit> I've got two nic's, one with public IP, one with private subnet.  I can ping any of the address, but smtp gives me the no route to host error
[20:41:04] <vice-versa> cos: have you tried increasing your in_flow_delay?
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[20:41:25] <sysmonk> kpettit: did you pastebin your postconf -n already?
[20:41:38] <kpettit> no, not yet
[20:41:44] <vice-versa> and route -n
[20:41:57] <sysmonk> netstat -rn :P
[20:42:32] <cos> vice-versa: experimenting with that, but the sleeping qmgr problem is intermittent, it doesn't happen during every big mailing.  and big mailings don't happen every day.  so I don't yet know what effect that will have.
[20:42:57] <vice-versa> what version of postfix?
[20:43:02] <cos> however this question is only partly related.  I'm modifying my daemon that tracks certain metrics from watching the postfix logs, and I want to make sure it's interpreting things correctly.
[20:43:31] <cos> I believe that log messages of that form mean qmgr has just moved a message from incoming to active so am making my daemon count them and report them as such, but I want to sanity check
[20:43:38] <kpettit> sysmonk, vice-versa: http://pastebin.com/d64b8f6a6
[20:43:58] <cos> postfix 2.2
[20:44:06] <vice-versa> ewww
[20:44:11] <Dominian> ahhhhhhh!
[20:44:12] * Dominian runs
[20:44:27] <cos> I know.  but can't upgrade 'til next month.
[20:44:43] <sysmonk> damn
[20:44:46] <sysmonk> as i said today already
[20:44:50] <sysmonk> did someone invent a time machine?!
[20:45:01] <sysmonk> a third person with postfix 2.2 here this week
[20:45:04] <Dominian> aye
[20:45:18] <sysmonk> and there was a guy with mysql 3.23. on #mysql
[20:45:24] <sysmonk> i think somebody DID invent a time machine...
[20:45:24] <Dominian> tht's scary
[20:45:25] <cos> it's an established large-ish setup I got in on recently, and they don't want me making big changes at a very critical time, which makes sense.  I have to do what I can with these boxes for now.
[20:45:35] <Dominian> sysmonk: either that or they all run debian
[20:45:47] <sysmonk> Dominian: hah, that was the answer i got too :P
[20:45:49] <kpettit> I'm using 2.3.3 of postfix
[20:45:51] <cos> naah, this is CentOS.  but it's CentOS 4, which I also want to move off of.
[20:46:07] <cos> again, not 'til next month.
[20:46:09] <sysmonk> 10-21 07:48:40 < sysmonk> people start coming with postfix 2.2, mysql 3.x, ...
[20:46:09] <sysmonk> 10-21 07:50:45 < Motoko-chan> Uptick in Debian usage?
[20:46:43] <sysmonk> kpettit: and could you pastebin the actual error you get in the logs ?
[20:46:59] <kpettit> sure, 1 sec...
[20:47:57] <kpettit> sysmonk, http://pastebin.com/m25953dc4
[20:48:42] <sysmonk> kpettit: could you also add your master.cf, just to be sure ?
[20:49:04] <sysmonk> and a traceroute to 'the internet'
[20:49:04] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:49:35] <sysmonk> or, even better, a telnet to some mail server on teh internet, port 25
[20:50:06] <cos> input concurrency is limited by in_flow_delay and the maxprox on the smtp line in master.cf, yes?
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[20:50:34] <cos> I'm afraid in that case, even with in_flow_delay=10s it won't matter, because our maxproc is so high.
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[20:51:05] <vice-versa> how high?
[20:51:29] <seekwill> very high
[20:51:34] <sysmonk> how stoned?
[20:51:45] <cos> varies, but for the one I'm experimenting with right now, 600 for the main smtp, plus 300 for a custom transport
[20:51:59] <cos> (do the smtp processes for a custom transport also process incoming messages?)
[20:52:17] <cos> or is it only the smtpd line that matters?
[20:52:48] <vice-versa> smtpd
[20:55:23] <rob0> !seen cpm
[20:55:23] <knoba> rob0: cpm was last seen in #postfix 9 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <cpm> postmap -q
[20:55:42] <rob0> huh? 9 weeks?
[20:56:10] <seekwill> You haven't noticed?
[20:57:32] <kpettit> sysmonk:  I can't telnet to any other main servers.  I can telnet to anything on localhost, but I think something in the route is keeping me from going out
[20:57:50] <sysmonk> kpettit: then it's not postfix issue. fix it first
[20:57:57] <seekwill> heh
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[21:23:11] <MarkRichman> Can someone give me a quick "exim vs. postfix" dump?
[21:23:50] <gangsterlicious> i have postfix+dovecot+postfix admin (managing vusers in /home/vmail/%d/%u). i also would need to have procmail filtering emails depend on subject and pipe it to several different perl scripts. i'd still like to have dovecot as LDA, if possible. how would i go by getting this accomplished?
[21:24:16] <seekwill> MarkRichman: Use sendmail
[21:24:38] <vice-versa> !mtacompare
[21:24:38] <knoba> vice-versa: "mtacompare" : MTA Comparison : http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
[21:25:33] <vice-versa> yeah cpm has been mia for a while now
[21:26:00] * vice-versa is thinking cpr is no longer an option
[21:27:49] <vice-versa> kpettit: to the best of your knowledge describe you broadband package
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[21:28:22] <kpettit> vice-versa:  Im using www.gogrid.com  which is a cloud hosting service kind of like Amazon ec2
[21:28:36] <kpettit> I found out they were blocking port 25, so i put in a ticket with them to open it
[21:29:47] <vice-versa> guilty until proven innocent ;)
[21:29:49] <kpettit> Had no idea their service blocked it by default.  How fun
[21:30:09] <seekwill> Yeah... it's like... spam protection or something
[21:30:37] <kpettit> I like the whole cloud computing thing through.  Got a Asterisk, Subversion, Postifx and a few "cough" windows systems on there too
[21:30:53] <kpettit> Nice not having to mess with hardware
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[21:33:06] <seekwill> eh
[21:33:32] <seekwill> I still like having dedicated hardware, even if it's colo'ed
[21:33:39] <vice-versa> yup
[21:33:54] <seekwill> Maybe that's just the oldfart thinking in me
[21:34:35] <vice-versa> clouds tend to disperse and vaporize too easy for my liking
[21:35:00] <seekwill> And the lightning that they generate. Probably not good for ic boards
[21:35:13] <vice-versa> the 'Perfect Storm'
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[21:36:14] <vice-versa> ok look kpettit, 'No route to host', Haris1 just lost his cloud
[21:36:26] <seekwill> oh no
[21:36:35] <seekwill> Poof, just like that
[21:36:43] <vice-versa> yup, sad really
[21:38:05] <seekwill> One day, perhaps, cloud computing will be more widespread. But I rather wait on the technology to mature first. I have all my infrasturcture in place now, and it works. No need to hop on anything bleeding edge. Otherwise I'd use Vista and Gentoo!
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[21:39:04] <vice-versa> that and Sun MySQL
[21:40:24] <vice-versa> or is it MySQL Sun?
[21:41:01] <seekwill> MySQL is not bleeding edge... :/
[21:41:33] <vice-versa> not any more at least, no one is working on it
[21:41:40] <seekwill> haha
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[21:51:05] <MarkRichman> Do NDRs have to be delivered back through the same SMTP server that sent the original message?
[21:52:03] <seekwill> heh
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[21:52:15] <seekwill> Wouldn't that be nice
[21:52:22] <vice-versa> hehe
[21:52:36] * sysmonk would then like to be a backscatter-source ;P
[21:52:52] <sysmonk> if the term backscatter would still exist :P
[21:53:10] <MarkRichman> sorry i dont understand
[21:53:10] <vice-versa> monkscatter
[21:53:28] <seekwill> MarkRichman: NDRs are delivered to the MAIL FROM address
[21:53:40] <sysmonk> rettacsknom
[21:54:01] <MarkRichman> seekwill: gotcha
[21:54:52] <vice-versa> they should at all costs be given on the same connection that tried to deliver the message
[21:55:05] <seekwill> yeah
[21:55:18] <vice-versa> once you accept it, you fucking own it
[21:55:19] <MarkRichman> I was told NDRs had to be delivered via TLS...does that sound reasonable?
[21:55:19] <seekwill> vice-versa: Yeah, we probably should inform him about that ... :/
[21:55:25] <sysmonk> and, if not possible, sent to vice-versa
[21:55:37] <seekwill> What's vice-versa's email?
[21:55:37] <sysmonk> MarkRichman: not...really..
[21:55:53] <seekwill> It would be nice if everyone used TLS
[21:56:04] <sysmonk> MarkRichman: may i ask who's your source of disinformation? :)
[21:56:14] <MarkRichman> my client's mail provider
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[21:56:26] <sysmonk> oh my
[21:56:31] <rpaddock> Using postfix or a 3rd party app, is there a way to send a single message to thousands of people, without using bcc, quickly? Iterating over each message isn't being very efficient.
[21:56:48] <seekwill> rpaddock: It is the best practice
[21:56:55] * sysmonk wonders, is it really the mail provider who's that much stupid, or is it the client who filter through the stupid-filter before getting that to you
[21:57:03] <seekwill> rpaddock: You would want to use a 3rd party app to handle that
[21:57:10] <MarkRichman> rpaddock: im sure there are spam companies to do that for you ;)
[21:57:19] <rpaddock> MarkRichman: I would bet :P
[21:57:21] <MarkRichman> rpaddock: constant contact
[21:57:45] <rpaddock> It's solicited mail, so we'd like to handle it inhouse :P
[21:58:00] <seekwill> rpaddock: You'd want to do it separately since each message should have a customized way to unsubscribe
[21:58:13] <sysmonk> seekwill: yeah, right
[21:58:15] <rpaddock> seekwill: We removed that functionality to increase sending speed
[21:58:16] <seekwill> :PO
[21:58:25] <sysmonk> seekwill: 'please unsubscribe me from your spam list' ?
[21:58:33] <seekwill> Use a better MTA, injection procedure, hardware, etc.
[21:58:41] <rpaddock> seekwill: We just send the user (since each user is a member of the site) to the subscriptions page
[21:58:57] <seekwill> How much mail are you talking about?
[21:59:07] <sysmonk> 99999999
[21:59:10] <rpaddock> Normal load is about 100k+ an hour
[21:59:11] <sysmonk> /s
[21:59:20] <sysmonk> not much
[21:59:21] <seekwill> rpaddock: heh, that all? :)
[21:59:22] <rpaddock> And we're bottle necking on a single server to about 40k an hour
[21:59:36] <seekwill> Postfix should be able to go faster than that
[21:59:42] <seekwill> muuuuuuch faster
[21:59:43] <sysmonk> it does... it does
[21:59:57] <sysmonk> that's network/hardware bottleneck
[22:00:00] <rpaddock> Well we're using PHP as the iteration method, which is definitly a bottle neck
[22:00:06] <sysmonk> just don't tell me yah runing it on 'virtualized' shit
[22:00:07] <seekwill> rpaddock: Identify your bottleneck. Is is NOT the single message injection
[22:00:22] <seekwill> rpaddock: On the same hardware as Postfix?
[22:00:38] <rpaddock> No, on a different machine
[22:00:47] <sysmonk> rpaddock: re-write your app
[22:00:54] <seekwill> It is not uncommon to have multiple injectors into a single MTA
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[22:01:09] <sysmonk> and parallelize them
[22:01:19] <sysmonk> submit messages in more than one stream
[22:01:19] <rpaddock> Time to switch away from php then :P
[22:01:24] <sysmonk> and more than one recipient at a time
[22:01:25] <seekwill> It's not just C
[22:01:34] <seekwill> sysmonk: :P
[22:01:39] <sysmonk> and don't loose time on connect shit
[22:01:46] <seekwill> Definitely messages over the same connection
[22:01:48] <sysmonk> connect, send, rset, send, rset, send ...
[22:02:08] <sysmonk> or even supply multiple recipients ('bcc' ? )
[22:02:09] <seekwill> rpaddock: There are many solutions out there that does this
[22:02:22] <seekwill> sysmonk: Say no to multiple recipients!
[22:02:35] <sysmonk> and do less mail processing on postfix ( turn off any 'antispam', body /header filtering and etc )
[22:02:36] <seekwill> Not for mailinglist type stuff
[22:02:48] <seekwill> Whitelist your injectors are a good thing
[22:02:50] <sysmonk> seekwill: ahhhhhhhh, i though i'm consulting on sending spam :P
[22:02:56] <seekwill> sysmonk: AHhhh
[22:03:03] * seekwill smacks sysmonk
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[22:43:36] <cos> oh!
[22:43:41] <cos> a log message of this form: postfix/qmgr[16049]: EE7B21EA0E10: from=<CgdXWAJtUQVSVwlRCVUDAgcJAgAFVA@domain>, size=6242, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[22:43:56] <cos> does *not* actually mean "qmgr moved the message from incoming to active"
[22:44:09] <cos> it means "qmgr moved the message from somewhere to active", where somewhere could be incoming or deferred
[22:44:15] <MarkRichman> NDRs typically don't contain any original attachments do they?
[22:44:17] <cos> there doesn't seem to be a way to tell where it got the message from
[22:44:26] <vice-versa> sysmonk: is tight time really that much better?
[22:44:44] <seekwill> MarkRichman: The only thing you can rely on in an NDR is the mailfrom address
[22:45:02] <MarkRichman> seekwill: my concern is that private info isnt bounced back
[22:45:07] <vice-versa> and we all know how reliable that is ;)
[22:45:14] <seekwill> MarkRichman: Why?
[22:45:28] <seekwill> MarkRichman: Private info shouldn't be emailed in the first place :)
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[22:57:02] <lunaphyte_> i had to whitelist my fuel injectors with to keep my cylinders from filling up with spam.
[22:57:32] <seekwill> But spam has so much octane!
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[22:59:17] <adnc> !smtpd_sender_restrictions
[22:59:18] <knoba> adnc: "smtpd_sender_restrictions" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional restrictions that the Postfix SMTP server applies in the context of the SMTP MAIL FROM command. See access(5) for an overview of access restriction features.
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[23:18:05] <orly0wl> got  a quick question
[23:18:19] <orly0wl> so i have to migrate a domain on a different tld, say .us
[23:18:45] <orly0wl> i want anyone who emails me at user at domain dot us --> user at domain dot net...how best to accomplish that?
[23:19:06] <vice-versa> alias
[23:19:13] <orly0wl> just alias eh?
[23:19:23] <orly0wl> cool, fair enough, that's easy
[23:19:29] <orly0wl> i was going to goof around with the mx records
[23:20:21] <vice-versa> naw, create the new account as per usual, alias the old to the new
[23:21:47] <orly0wl> new accounts are already created
[23:21:53] <orly0wl> i mean, they exist in user at domain dot net
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[23:27:00] <seekwill> The mx records isn't going to solve anything
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[23:28:33] <orly0wl> well let me run this down then...
[23:28:47] <orly0wl> so i have someone at domain dot us working on another mailserver
[23:28:59] <orly0wl> i want whatever is sent to someone at domain dot us --> someone at domain dot net
[23:29:17] <orly0wl> i can alias there, but...that requires that I leave that .us mail server online
[23:29:23] <orly0wl> i'm taking it down at some point
[23:29:27] <orly0wl> so i don't really want to do that
[23:29:47] <orly0wl> hence, i just want the domain.us to be really another way of mailing domain.net
[23:29:56] <orly0wl> so that's why I thought I'd use the mx records
[23:30:07] <seekwill> oh
[23:30:21] <orly0wl> ya rly
[23:30:31] <seekwill> Yeah, don't talk like that...
[23:30:52] <orly0wl> ok ok, sheesh
[23:31:03] <seekwill> It hurts my tiny head
[23:31:59] <orly0wl> that's why i was thinking just change the mx rcord on the .us domain
[23:32:26] <orly0wl> but i wanted to confirm if that's the best way to go about this
[23:33:15] <Entroacceptor> yeah, your mailserver has to get the mail
[23:33:22] <Entroacceptor> you need the mx record for that
[23:33:34] <Entroacceptor> and then you set it up with the alias
[23:33:37] <orly0wl> that's kinda where i was going with that :)
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[23:33:58] <NoGi> hello
[23:34:03] <orly0wl> so..add mx of .net to the zone of domain.us...then alias the users from there in alias table of use
[23:34:39] <orly0wl> oh and update postconf to accept mail from that domain.us
[23:38:26] <Entroacceptor> of course :)
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