[00:00:25] <victor-> so maybe mail1.foo.com is connecting back to bar.com's MX and seeing if RCPT TO returns positive
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[00:00:42] <victor-> dig -t MX +trace bar.com
[00:01:34] <victor-> then telnet to bar.com's MX and try to send some emails to bar.com and see if you get errors on RCPT TO: fields
[00:01:41] <brad_mssw> wtf, there is no MX entry
[00:01:50] <brad_mssw> there is when I look at the config directly though
[00:01:50] <victor-> there you go. :)
[00:01:59] <victor-> join #bind
[00:02:00] <victor-> :)
[00:02:10] <brad_mssw> thanks for your help
[00:02:14] <victor-> actually you probably just have an error
[00:02:31] <victor-> i know bind better than I know postfix, so send me a pastebin if you want
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[00:08:02] <brad_mssw> victor-: I got it, somehow the priority was left off the MX record so bind couldn't parse it ... thanks!
[00:08:21] <coteyr> Need a bit of help using mysql virtual domains/user/etc need ot setup an alias as described in http://www.redmine.org/wiki/1/RedmineReceivingEmails under option 2
[00:08:32] <coteyr> I have no idea how to do that on a virtual setup
[00:08:37] <victor-> brad_mssw: np
[00:08:41] <coteyr> I don;t even knowwhat to gogole for :(
[00:09:04] <coteyr> I tried entering the command into the alias table
[00:09:10] <coteyr> and that didn't get me very far
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[00:53:33] <m4r71x> hey guys
[00:53:36] <m4r71x> good afternoon
[00:53:42] <m4r71x> I have a question
[00:54:06] <m4r71x> a specific customer wants to copy all mails to a specific account manager at domain dot com.pe
[00:54:15] <m4r71x> I configured this using aliases
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[00:54:49] <m4r71x> but the problem is when a user c.c a mail to other local users manager got many mails from the same
[00:55:00] <m4r71x> so, my question is how to configure to rceiv just one copy???
[00:55:07] <shasta> !tell m4r71x recipient_bcc_maps
[00:55:23] <shasta> knoba, wake up
[00:55:24] <m4r71x> oh recipient_bcc_maps
[00:55:30] <m4r71x> I didnt know such option
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[00:55:34] <m4r71x> k, I will read about it
[00:55:43] <m4r71x> shasta: thx for the help!
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[00:55:57] <shasta> np
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[01:52:08] <[shg]> !postfix
[01:52:09] <knoba> [shg]: "postfix" : The Postfix MTA from http://www.postfix.org/. If you have no idea what Postfix is then you have probably chosen the wrong channel. :)
[01:52:17] <[shg]> !postfix debug
[01:52:19] <knoba> [shg]: Error: "postfix" is not a valid command.
[01:52:21] <[shg]> !debug
[01:52:22] <knoba> [shg]: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[02:06:30] <endrnet> anyone know how to force the mail delivery sub to process a specific filter for a given user?
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[02:41:51] <jsoftw> is there any real difference, in terms of greylisting, between a 450 and 451 ? I am seeing exchange servers which dont retry mails when getting a 450
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[02:58:19] <lunaphyte> jsoftw: no.
[02:59:24] <jsoftw> Hmm.
[02:59:59] <jsoftw> Weve got this windows monkey bitching at us because his exchange server is giving up when it gets a 450 (postgrey)
[03:00:14] <lunaphyte> sigh.
[03:00:20] <jsoftw> Yep.
[03:00:36] <jsoftw> So im going to have to tell him how it is.
[03:00:36] <lunaphyte> have you confirmed it will retry if given a 451?
[03:00:51] <jsoftw> I just changed my end to reply with 451.
[03:01:13] <lunaphyte> no proof yet - still waiting?
[03:01:39] <jsoftw> but I saw some other emails he was bitching about, which were to other servers that have nothing to do with us... they were greylisting with 450 too, so hes got other things to worry about.
[03:01:50] <jsoftw> Yeah.
[03:01:55] <lunaphyte> heh - good.
[03:01:56] <jsoftw> Just about to talk to him on the phone.
[03:02:18] <lunaphyte> lovely.
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[03:33:15] <jsoftw> Argh.
[03:33:18] <jsoftw> That was painfull.
[03:34:08] <jsoftw> Basically I he's got no idea how mail works, and thinks is exchange system is 'the most advanced setup in the company' (its a national company), and that 'Hes going to look into these greylist issues'
[03:34:26] <jsoftw> And so yeah. We could not actually identify anything that is wrong at our end.
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[03:39:07] <rob0> should have asked him to put a professional on the phone :)
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[03:53:46] <jsoftw> rob0: :D
[03:53:54] <cafuego> I thought the latest less-broken Exchange versions no longer dropped mail on 450?
[03:54:14] <jsoftw> Ahh, but see, 'His is super patched'
[03:54:38] <cafuego> Ah, my mistake. He clearly knows what he's doing.
[03:54:48] <jsoftw> :)
[03:55:04] <cafuego> Where did that brick get to.... it has a date with my face.
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[04:23:32] <lunaphyte> ugh.
[04:24:28] <lunaphyte> so in other words, he's going to look into which widgets and clickies he can diddle, and when that doesn't work, declare that the exception is the rule?
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[04:25:11] * lunaphyte feels a tirade brewing inside  :)
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[04:31:42] <lunaphyte> it's just insane to me that circumstances such as that are accepted in this industry.  could you imagine an auto mechanic who had absolutely no concept of the fundamentals of the internal combustion engine, but could somehow come to be employed to work on cars?
[04:33:07] * hparker has worked with them, so yes....
[04:33:30] <lunaphyte> no way.  i don't believe it.
[04:33:32] <lunaphyte> :)
[04:33:58] <hparker> 12 years in garages, worked with a lot of flakes
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[04:35:28] <hparker> One of the reasons I'm so down on certifications... some of the dumbasses I've worked with that had paper that said they knew what they were doing
[04:35:32] <Motoko-chan> lunaphyte, introduce him to qmail. It'll make him cry.
[04:35:56] <lunaphyte> hparker: i suppose you're right.  it's probably no different than anything else, just happens to stand out because of the environment.
[04:36:17] <dft> have cert's only helps you with HR dept.
[04:36:28] <lunaphyte> heh.  i'd use qmail before i used exchange.
[04:36:43] <hparker> what was even more amazing was how long they were able to stick around.... And how much of their shit I cleaned up
[04:36:49] <Motoko-chan> lunaphyte, perhaps. But it'll make an Exchange admin cry.
[04:36:55] <Motoko-chan> At least the fake "admins"
[04:36:59] <dft> after ten yrs working, I have yet to write an exam.  but alas, now it is time to make me look good on paper with HR
[04:37:03] <hparker> paper is for wiping after you're done...
[04:37:12] * Motoko-chan has A+ and Linux+ certs
[04:37:30] <lunaphyte> anything without buttons and widgets to diddle will make anyone who doesn't know how to use a computer cry.
[04:37:34] <eydaimon> lunaphyte: thanks for earlier today
[04:38:00] * jstabes got one cert and never admits it to anyone he works with. What a useless piece of paper
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[04:38:12] <lunaphyte> simply put - windows is for people who don't know how to use computers - which is fine - but admins should know how to use computers.
[04:38:27] <lunaphyte> eydaimon: you're welcome.
[04:38:29] <jstabes> lunaphyte: xactly
[04:38:31] <lunaphyte> oh, he left.
[04:38:38] <dft> what's even worse are managers who run around crying "I'm not technicall!!" yet they've been put in charge of a technical dept.
[04:39:00] <hparker> heh
[04:39:04] <thumbs> lunaphyte: I like that statement.
[04:39:26] <Motoko-chan> I write SlackBuilds for breakfast.
[04:39:29] <Motoko-chan> Well, not literally.
[04:39:31] <lunaphyte> i have mixed feelings about the whole manager thing.  i think both scenarios can work, it's just a question of taking the right approach.
[04:39:35] <lunaphyte> thumbs: :p
[04:39:36] <thumbs> lunaphyte: I might use it to show how incompetent some of my coworkers are
[04:39:42] <lunaphyte> haha
[04:40:59] <thumbs> not to say that all windows have no idea how to use computers - some do.
[04:41:11] <thumbs> s/windows /windows users /
[04:41:13] <dft> lunaphyte: good managers don't have to be technical..on that token good managers don't run around the office waving their hands in the air crying "I'm not technical"
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[04:41:57] <dft> honestly, it's not a matter of platforms, It's merely the level to which someone wishes to know about the system
[04:42:06] <Motoko-chan> dft, that would be funny though
[04:42:51] <dft> Motoko-chan: I've seen it and it will make you hang you head in shame that those people are under the same director as you
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[04:43:32] <lunaphyte> isn't "good manager" an oxymoron?  :)
[04:43:35] <dft> going back to the mechanic reference..most people know how to drive a car, but are clueless what goes on under the hood
[04:43:36] <Motoko-chan> It would still be funny the way I'm picturing it.
[04:44:15] <Motoko-chan> I know explosions go on under the hood.
[04:44:32] <thumbs> big 'booms' and such
[04:45:11] <Motoko-chan> Not too big, or the car would explode.
[04:46:08] <lunaphyte> dft: indeed - but a driver is a user, while an admin is a mechanic.
[04:46:49] <dft> lunaphyte: true, we are focusing on admins here now aren't we...ty for the course correction
[04:49:14] <lunaphyte> well, there are plenty of dummies out there - but honestly, i generally don't take issue with folks that are simply casual computer users who don't know and don't proclaim to know what's going on "under the hood" (as you put it :)  ) - christ, there's no shortage of crap i know next to nothing about, so i can't act like i'm special.
[04:50:43] <Motoko-chan> Those people give me an okay side-business.
[04:51:16] <lunaphyte> no doubt.
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[04:56:42] <jsoftw> Yeah but someone who boasts over the phone about how many 'servers' he looks after, should know at least a little bit about those servers, and how they work.
[04:57:34] <lunaphyte> i've always maintained that phones should have idiot lights.
[04:57:48] <lunaphyte> i think it would save a lot of people a lot of time.
[04:58:09] <Motoko-chan> I think I maintain over 20 servers.
[04:58:39] <lunaphyte> i only maintain 1 server, but it's your mom's.
[04:59:20] <Motoko-chan> She doesn't have one, so you must be talking about some else's mother.
[04:59:22] <jsoftw> In soviet russia, servers maintain you!
[04:59:55] <lunaphyte> Motoko-chan: that's exactly what she wants you to think  :p
[05:01:56] <Motoko-chan> Okay.
[05:02:05] <Motoko-chan> Want to move her website over to it then?
[05:02:29] <lunaphyte> hmm.  i thought i did that already.  is it not working?
[05:03:23] <Motoko-chan> Nope
[05:03:59] <lunaphyte> let me double check.
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[05:05:32] <lunaphyte> yes, i see here i clicked the "move website" widget.  oh well - i guess i better go back and get more certifications.
[05:06:01] <Motoko-chan> Possibly.
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[05:37:05] <xous> How can I merge two email accounts using maildir
[05:37:18] <xous> email accounts do not have the same email address.
[05:38:17] <jmazaredo> will this relay messages to the said server? relayhost = smtp.yourisp.com
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[05:58:24] <cafuego> xous: using maildir? I'd just rsync the contents of account #1 into the maildir of account #2.
[05:58:40] <cafuego> xous: Note: if you use quota checking, this will break that.
[05:58:58] <cafuego> xous: A better solution in that case is to make sure you run an imap server and use imapsync.
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[06:46:28] <xous> cafuego: thanks ;) will try it.
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[07:42:09] <pdroy> hi all
[07:42:45] <pdroy> I had accidently deleted some wrong mails from the queue using the postsuper command
[07:42:55] <Motoko-chan> Oops.
[07:42:55] <pdroy> is there any way I can recover these mails now :)
[07:43:05] <f3ew> no
[07:43:28] <pdroy> is there any chance this would go and sit some where in /var/lib/postfix
[07:43:31] <pdroy> :)
[07:43:35] <Motoko-chan> Try and recover from the filesystem
[07:43:38] <Motoko-chan> Otherwise, nope.
[07:43:51] <pdroy> thanks Motoko-chan and f3ew
[07:44:41] <Motoko-chan> Lesson: Check twice, delete once.
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[08:07:24] <milligan_> Are there any log analyzers out there that can give me a detailed statistics on how many e-mails have been sent pr ip ?
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[08:32:57] <f3ew> milligan_, pflogumm.pl?
[08:33:00] <f3ew> !pflogsumm
[08:33:01] <knoba> f3ew: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)
[08:33:51] <milligan_> I'm using pflog .. but that doesn't seem to log pr ip ..
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[10:09:20] <bitfrost> Hi good evening
[10:10:10] <bitfrost> How can I disable PORT 25 and only allow encrypted port?
[10:10:21] <bitfrost> help me please
[10:15:44] <f3ew> bitfrost see master.cfr
[10:15:47] <f3ew> master.cf
[10:16:19] <bitfrost> thanks
[10:16:29] <bitfrost> do this make the same? smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes
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[10:18:05] <f3ew> bitfrost, that's part of it
[10:18:26] <f3ew> you will have to comment out the default smtpd listener in master.cf, and uncomment submission
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[10:21:56] <bitfrost> oh! ok :) but mails from outside cant stil come trought?
[10:24:03] <f3ew> bitfrost, they will send only on port 25
[10:24:33] <bitfrost> ok
[10:24:44] <bitfrost> thanks for thee guidance
[10:25:08] <f3ew> smtpd_use_tls <=== see this for TLS on smtpd
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[10:33:04] <lera_zed> hello, how can i create per domain catch-all accounts with postfix ? for the moment i am using recipient_bcc_maps - but because of greylisting and spampd, am getting 3 copies of each message to my catchall account
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[10:49:07] <wietze> good morning, I was wondering if the virtual_mailbox_domains in the main.cf could also point to a file which in its turn points to multiple files
[10:50:01] <wietze> this in order to prevent changing the main.cf :)
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[11:24:29] <jes-o-ma1> Hi
[11:25:15] <jes-o-ma1> I had a misconfigured MX record and now there are several mails on an external mailserver stuck
[11:25:37] <jes-o-ma1> postsuper -r ALL did requeue the mails but they are not using the updated MX record?
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[11:28:40] <f3ew> jes-o-ma1, the DNS records are probably cachexd
[11:28:43] <f3ew> cached
[11:28:48] <f3ew> Clean out your nameserver
[11:36:06] <wietze> f3ew: do you happen to know if the virtual_mailbox_domain accepts file as its definition?
[11:36:18] <jes-o-ma1> f3ew: I already use a different nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf and restarted postfix
[11:36:20] <wietze> (which in its turn include other files)
[11:36:31] <jes-o-ma1> dig MX domain.name results in correct MX record
[11:37:37] <f3ew> yes
[11:37:39] <f3ew> no
[11:37:50] <f3ew> jes-o-ma1, chroot problems perhaps?
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[11:41:59] <jes-o-ma1> f3ew: I just need more patience
[11:42:07] <jes-o-ma1> now the mails had been delivered
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[12:31:29] <loompek> morning
[12:31:57] <davidroderick> hi
[12:32:23] <loompek> is it possible to command postfix's smtp client not to do address rewriting or anything?... get the whole data stream in stdin and using sendmail -f $from $to to send mail...
[12:32:33] <loompek> and in the data stream the smtp header looks like:
[12:32:45] <loompek> From: +123456789/TYPE=PLM
[12:32:55] <loompek> without the domain name
[12:33:33] <loompek> would append_dot_mydomain=no be good enough?
[12:35:11] <davidroderick> I finally got postfix up and running.  Now I am using fetchmail.  When I do fetchnail -c the mail.log tells me that I have 231 new messages in my gmail account. What will happen when I do fetchmail -S localhost?  How will I be able to read those messages?
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[12:56:29] <milligan_> Oct 14 11:58:56 smtp amavis[16224]: (16224-19) Blocked SPAM, [217.xx.xx.xx] [217.xx.xx.xxx] <xx@xxx> -> <xx@xx>, quarantine: 1/spam-14vy4tLl8Otg.gz, Message-ID: <006801c92dd1$b29fc640$230110ac@xx>, mail_id: 14vy4tLl8Otg, Hits: 6.038, size: 70090, 5575 ms <- How come that's blocked as spam, when my amavis conf has $sa_kill_level_deflt = 8; ?
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[13:27:22] <cy__> hello
[13:28:12] <cy__> i have a user at at domain dot com .. which is correct in the ldap, where postfix does the rec. check on it.. but somehow it always gets denied (no mailbox here by that name) .. is "at" a reserved word or something?
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[13:34:25] <tadeu_> guys, i need to send a BCC to me for each mail sent by some users.. any idea ?
[13:36:13] <vice-versa> !sender_bcc_maps
[13:36:15] <knoba> vice-versa: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
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[13:37:22] <tadeu_> so i'm on the right way... thanks
[13:38:53] <vice-versa> cy__: "no mailbox here by that name" does not look like a postfix response, smells like qmail to me
[13:40:46] <cy__> yeah
[13:40:48] <cy__> or cyrus
[13:41:00] <cy__> i was just checking it .. the rcpt to goes by fine
[13:41:02] <cy__> sorry
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[13:57:19] <yam> I want to setup kinf of a mirror MTA... main server (A) postfix, it receives and deliver to mbox, normal behaviour... but it also sends a copy of every mail to another postfix server (B). B holds messages in the spool so I can resend those back to A in case A has had a long outage...
[13:59:04] <vice-versa> O.o
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[14:04:02] <vice-versa> brown sure seems unstable lately
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[14:39:15] <gypsymauro> hi
[14:40:34] <gypsymauro> I've installed postfix with ldap, there is a way to change all users Maildir quota?
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[15:03:37] <sysmonk> !fish
[15:03:38] <knoba> sysmonk: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !lvsv !virtual !smtpd!=smtp : Use '/msg knoba whatis #postfix factoid' to get the factoid details from knoba in a private message to reduce channel noise
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[15:06:28] <Haris1> o..m..g
[15:06:37] <Haris1> someone has too much time
[15:06:50] <stockholm> that happens
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[15:07:48] <fibbs> Hi folks
[15:08:44] <sysmonk> Haris1: ?
[15:09:08] <fibbs> I am using ldap lookup to check email addresses in active directory, can postfix do something like a caching of already checked addresses for the case the domain controller goes down?
[15:09:56] <sysmonk> fibbs: you can check out recipient validation
[15:10:03] <sysmonk> !reject_unverified_recipient
[15:10:03] <knoba> sysmonk: "reject_unverified_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A sender or recipient address is verified by probing the nearest MTA for that address, without actually delivering mail. Probe messages are like normal mail, except that they are never delivered, deferred or bounced; probe messages are discarded.
[15:10:05] <sysmonk> fibbs: ^^
[15:12:38] <fibbs> sysmonk: this seems not to be what i wanted...
[15:13:17] <sysmonk> fibbs: with reject_unverified_recipient postfix will try to deliver to exchange and cache the results
[15:13:28] <fibbs> so i guess the best way for me would be to export the addresses from ads via perl script and build the map tables every few hours
[15:13:33] <sysmonk> an to answer your question directly - no, postfix won't cache map lookups
[15:13:59] <sysmonk> yup, that's a solution too
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[15:25:22] <Haris1> sysmonk: just a joke
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[15:55:19] <jsoft> Anyone here have issue with sending to hotmail accounts sometimes?
[15:55:40] <sysmonk> eh
[15:55:45] <sysmonk> !hotmail
[15:55:46] <knoba> sysmonk: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.
[15:56:21] <stockholm> jsoft: of course
[15:56:29] <sysmonk> jsoft: hotmail sucks hard, and delivering mails to hotmail depends on many many factors
[15:56:33] <sysmonk> like, the weather
[15:56:43] <stockholm> jsoft: i spend several days with hotmails during the last weeks
[15:57:08] <stockholm> jsoft: do you try to send more then 100 mails per day?
[15:57:53] <sysmonk> jsoft: echo rand(); what did it return? :P
[15:58:55] <stockholm> i do think i can send mails in quantities now, though :-)
[15:59:03] <hparker> Planet alignment has some effect on it too
[15:59:16] <sysmonk> hparker: yup
[15:59:38] <jsoft> Well basically some guy which has his mail hosted with one of the clients I do work for, he cant send to hotmail accounts, because of some bullshit 'policy violation'.
[15:59:55] <sysmonk> oh, policy violation
[16:00:02] <sysmonk> hotmail mostly accepts all mails
[16:00:08] <sysmonk> and uses the rand() algorithm to discard them
[16:00:12] <sysmonk> or to put into junk folder
[16:00:19] <sysmonk> or, rarely, into the 'inbox' folder
[16:00:19] <sysmonk> ;)
[16:00:35] <stockholm> not true
[16:01:02] <hparker> the gerbils randomly lose them on the way?
[16:01:56] <stockholm> https://postmaster.live.com/snds
[16:02:02] <stockholm> do you use that?
[16:05:46] <hparker> It requires a Live login to view?
[16:06:07] <sysmonk> i remember i tried to register there
[16:06:10] <sysmonk> but i faile
[16:06:13] <sysmonk> failed
[16:06:55] <lunaphyte_> that still gives you zero guarantee anyway.
[16:07:24] <hparker> heh
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[16:15:48] <stony> hi what was the entry for a domain without mx record ?
[16:15:50] <stony> mx 0 .
[16:15:51] <stony> ?
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[16:16:08] <jsoft> Yeah well, I dunno.
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[16:17:01] <jsoft> I just sent an email to a client (who was bitching about hotmail problems), saying 'Yeah I cant help you. But when you finally get hold of the guy with the hotmail account, tell him to get a gmail account here: <insert gmail signup url here>".
[16:17:23] <jsoft> I had about 4 or 5 hours today, dealing with mail issues.
[16:17:32] <jsoft> And I only work at this place one day a week.
[16:18:38] <jsoft> 2 or 3 hours was used by some idiot windows goobertron, who thought his exchange server was so perfect it could not possibly be the cause of any problems whatsoever, Thus, meaing he should ring _me_ up and pester _me_ about mail to/from domains for which I have nothing to do with.
[16:18:52] <hparker> Brother has a hotmail account... I call him
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[16:19:15] <hparker> jsoft: send him a bill
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[16:19:56] <jsoft> hparker: i let my actual client who pays _my_ bills do that.
[16:20:03] <jsoft> Im there to be a sysadmin/geek
[16:20:10] <jsoft> GNU/sysadmin/geek
[16:20:13] <jsoft> ;)
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[16:20:15] <JC_> how can i determine my spam accuracy
[16:20:26] <JC_> i am using mailscanner
[16:20:55] <jsoft> multiply your age by the number of emails you received yesterday, divide it by the hours you spent worrying about it, and then add 5.
[16:21:11] <hparker> lol
[16:21:57] <hparker> JC_: Is your inbox usable? Any false positives? If you answered yes/no in that order it's fairly accurate
[16:22:43] <vice-versa> I've resolved many hotmail delivery issues, the details in the !SenderID factoid is the basic recipe I use
[16:23:16] <JC_> ihttp://i.cmpnet.com/nc/1509/graphics/1509f2b.gif
[16:23:20] <JC_> like that
[16:24:35] <hparker> You have to manually feed data, no script/program/etc will know a false positive/negative
[16:25:24] <hparker> Well, maybe... If you only trained stuff where bayes was wrong it might get kinda close
[16:28:07] <JC_> manually feed data?
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[16:57:32] <davidroderick>  Read 159 chars: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn
[16:57:33] <davidroderick> Oct 15 15:42:10 david-laptop postfix/smtp[8670]: C8B7724680B: to=<angel.of.north at googlemail dot com>, relay=smtp.gmail.com[209.85.135.111]:25, delay=6.4, delays=0.03/0.02/5.7/0.66, dsn=5.5.1, status=bounced (host smtp.gmail.com[209.85.135.111] said: 530-5.5.1 Authentication Required. Learn more at                     530 5.5.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=14257 j10sm12343083mue.17 (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[16:57:33] <davidroderick>
[16:58:18] <davidroderick> I can send a message to angel.of.north@gmail but not elsewhere
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[17:11:27] <error404notfound> a quick question, if I have postfix installed, what do I need to enable catch all email address such that all emails adresses *@localhost which doesn't exist get to my inbox?
[17:11:29] <f3ew> !sasl
[17:11:30] <knoba> f3ew: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[17:11:35] <f3ew> @ davidroderick
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[17:13:38] <f3ew> !luser_relay
[17:13:39] <knoba> f3ew: "luser_relay" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional catch-all destination for unknown local(8) recipients. By default, mail for unknown recipients in domains that match $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces is returned as undeliverable.
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[17:15:48] <mofino> It seems like postfix is indeed faster then qmail
[17:16:14] <mofino> at least it seems to handle the same load with less work
[17:16:47] <mofino> i suspect it's because of the tighter queuing
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[17:28:42] <mofino> f3ew, i tell you i found more problems?
[17:28:52] <mofino> had postfix bouncing mail like crazy
[17:28:53] <f3ew> no
[17:29:08] <mofino> had to do with how the maps were being built
[17:29:51] <mofino> i'm doing it the "proper" way now... copy the file, postmap in the dir
[17:30:07] <mofino> map dir that is
[17:30:40] <mofino> if you overwrite the map directly, postfix flips
[17:30:53] <mofino> which is strange for a hash db
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[17:33:20] <Legality> intresting problem
[17:33:49] <f3ew> boring, common solution
[17:33:50] <f3ew> :P
[17:33:59] <Legality> hope so
[17:34:19] <Legality> I bought a new laptop and I'm used to use thunderbird to connect to my email server via IMAP
[17:34:24] <mofino> .....
[17:34:36] <mofino> already sounds like NOT a postfix problem
[17:34:46] <Legality> courier?
[17:34:57] <mofino> what is postfix?
[17:35:03] <Legality> bah.. #courier is dead
[17:35:04] <onre> postfix does smtp. smtp is not imap.
[17:35:04] <Legality> well anyways
[17:35:11] <mofino> "well anyways"
[17:35:12] <Legality> oh
[17:35:14] <mofino> no
[17:35:15] <Legality> hehe
[17:35:18] <mofino> postfix is NOT IMAP
[17:38:01] <Legality> ok fine
[17:38:06] <Legality> SMTP doesn't work either
[17:38:07] <Legality> just noticed
[17:38:37] <Legality> the problem is that when I close my laptop and reopen it(hibernate or something like that?) the SMTP/IMAP connections start giving timeouts
[17:38:44] <mofino> who cares
[17:38:55] <mofino> ask a postfix question
[17:39:16] <Legality> well, my computer is able to connect the server still
[17:39:32] <Legality> but postfix isn't able to handle the SMTP request
[17:39:40] <lunaphyte_> prove it
[17:41:33] <f3ew> Legality, I doubt it
[17:41:41] <Legality> true
[17:41:47] <Legality> I was ahead of myself
[17:41:53] <mofino> no surprise
[17:42:15] <Legality> in IMAP case its able to take the inial connection but with SMTP it doesn't even take that
[17:42:18] <mofino> haha
[17:42:21] <Legality> fuck vista, time to go back to xp
[17:42:29] <lunaphyte_> omg
[17:42:30] <mofino> sigh
[17:42:39] <mofino> Legality, this isn't #newbie
[17:42:58] <mofino> nobody is going to hold your hand while you use computers
[17:43:17] <lunaphyte_> wasn't i just preaching last night that windows is for people who don't know how to use computers, and admins should know how to use computers?  :p
[17:43:40] <mofino> he's using vista, already evidence of complete failure
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[17:44:21] <lunaphyte_> i wouldn't say that.  just that he's not ready to be an admin.
[17:44:37] <mofino> maybe you won't, but i sure will.
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[17:52:06] <rsc> Hello folks, shouldn't "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access" work and match to the sender?
[17:52:31] <mofino> smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:52:52] <f3ew> yes
[17:53:03] <rsc> but check_SENDER_access :)
[17:53:07] <f3ew> Is that the only thing you have in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:53:09] <f3ew> ?
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[17:53:19] <rsc> f3ew: no.
[17:53:31] <mofino> wait
[17:53:47] <f3ew> mofino, that works fine
[17:53:51] <mofino> are you sure?
[17:53:54] <f3ew> yes
[17:54:10] <f3ew> See postconf(5) for smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:54:16] <mofino> i am
[17:54:19] <mofino> has nothing of the sort
[17:54:40] <f3ew> Other restrictions that are valid in this context:
[17:54:40] <f3ew>     * Generic restrictions that can be used in any SMTP command context, described under smtpd_client_restrictions.
[17:54:40] <f3ew>     * SMTP command specific restrictions described under smtpd_client_restrictions, smtpd_helo_restrictions and smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[17:54:56] <mofino> that doesn't mean anything
[17:55:00] <f3ew> right before 'Example;
[17:55:07] <mofino> i read that
[17:55:08] <f3ew> The second sentence
[17:55:16] <mofino> what about it?
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[17:55:24] <mofino> smtpd_sender_restrictions != smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:55:34] <f3ew> anything valid in client, helo and sender restrictions is valid in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:55:49] <rsc> f3ew: fact is, that it doesn't seem to work, even if the documentation writes, that commands from smtpd_sender_restrictions should work in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:56:21] <mofino> yeah
[17:56:24] <mofino> makes no sense
[17:56:47] <rsc> the documentation says, it's allowed, thus why was it not implemented? :o)
[17:57:25] <vice-versa> mofino: is does if you think of them for what they are, restriction stages
[17:58:00] <mofino> vice-versa, yeah i suppose, it is down the chain
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[17:59:16] <rsc> "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_client_access pcre:/etc/postfix/client_checks_pcre" <- check_client_access would cause the reject, so why does check_sender_access with "OK" not avoid that?
[18:00:22] <mofino> why do this at RCPT?
[18:00:30] <f3ew> !smtpd_delay_reject
[18:00:31] <knoba> f3ew: "smtpd_delay_reject" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Wait until the RCPT TO command before evaluating $smtpd_client_restrictions, $smtpd_helo_restrictions and $smtpd_sender_restrictions.
[18:00:44] <f3ew> rsc are you sure it does not work?
[18:00:44] <mofino> f3ew, won't matter i don't think
[18:00:54] <mofino> he's already at RCPT
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[18:01:07] <f3ew> mofino doesn't matter
[18:01:11] <rsc> f3ew: yes, tested it.
[18:01:29] <f3ew> rsc, run smtpd in verbose mode and see the logs
[18:01:41] <mofino> rsc, why RCPT though?
[18:01:47] <f3ew> actually, reload postfix and then test
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[18:02:07] <f3ew> mofino, smtpd_recipient_restrictions is where your relay control actually happens
[18:02:07] <rsc> mofino: why not?
[18:02:23] <mofino> rsc, why not at the location where they are most valid?
[18:02:24] <rsc> f3ew: how much verbosity would you suggest?
[18:02:35] <f3ew> So it makes sense to put all your restrictions in smtpd_recipient_restrictions and have them evaluated once once
[18:02:42] <f3ew> rsc just reload, norml logging
[18:02:44] <f3ew> test
[18:02:47] <mofino> what difference does it make?
[18:02:52] <f3ew> add a single -v to smtpd in master.cf
[18:02:56] <f3ew> mofino simpler config
[18:02:59] <f3ew> reload
[18:03:00] <f3ew> test
[18:03:01] <mofino> that's it?
[18:03:03] <mofino> weak
[18:03:17] <f3ew> mofino, nothing stops you from using the others if you prefer
[18:03:29] <mofino> i already do
[18:03:33] <mofino> my question was for rsc
[18:03:43] <mofino> why not put the MAIL FROM restrictions in MAIL FROM
[18:03:54] <f3ew> FWIW, rsc has an open relay
[18:04:01] <mofino> you sure?
[18:04:48] <f3ew> yes
[18:04:55] <rsc> f3ew: do I? :)
[18:05:20] <f3ew> anyone spoofing the sender address there will get an OK in smtpd_recipient_restrictions and be able to send mail anywhere
[18:05:48] <mofino> if that's his only verification
[18:06:01] <f3ew> an OK is a check termination
[18:06:01] <rsc> it is not my only verification...hell! ;)
[18:06:11] <rsc> and currently that's a test box.
[18:06:13] <f3ew> there's nothing checked after an OK
[18:06:19] <mofino> f3ew, DATA?
[18:06:34] <mofino> albeit, it would be pointless to put such checks at data
[18:06:36] <f3ew> mofino, isn't relay control
[18:06:39] <f3ew> yup
[18:07:48] <rsc> f3ew: anyway..."generic_checks: name=check_sender_access status=0"
[18:08:12] <f3ew> so the check was passed successfully
[18:08:21] <f3ew> test your data with postmap -q?
[18:08:47] <rsc> f3ew: yes, but in the end "generic_checks: name=check_client_access status=2" and rejected.
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[18:09:20] <rsc> so why wasn't the OK from check_sender_access handled as it should be IMHO?
[18:09:38] <f3ew> rsc did anything match?
[18:09:41] <f3ew> test your data with postmap -q? <===
[18:10:14] <rsc> f3ew: "generic_checks: name=check_client_access status=2" - so something matched, but too late, the okay did not skip check_client_access
[18:10:33] <rsc> f3ew: did that.
[18:11:55] <mofino> rsc, why can you not put the checks where they are appropriate?
[18:12:22] <rsc> mofino: why does the stuff not work as it should?
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[18:12:53] <mofino> why are you fussing over features that are handled in other areas?
[18:13:08] <mofino> do you want it to work or not?
[18:13:11] <rsc> because they exist and they are documented and the documentation says it should work.
[18:13:17] <mofino> then figure it out
[18:13:28] <mofino> and report a bug if required
[18:13:41] <mofino> otherwise, move the checks to the right spots and be done with it
[18:13:46] <rsc> to get it rejected by upstream? ;)
[18:13:53] <mofino> not your concern
[18:14:07] <mofino> if it was really bad, you can always patch it yourself
[18:14:39] <rsc> upstream refused correcting/fixing patches in the past multiple times, unluckily. So upstream is not my point to discuss here, anyway.
[18:15:03] <mofino> well then screw em
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[18:15:46] <mofino> i worked around all the pitfalls i came into
[18:15:55] <mofino> it's annoying, but i wanted PF to work
[18:16:02] <rsc> mhm.
[18:16:12] <rsc> thus my private used MTA is not postfix :)
[18:16:19] <rsc> okay. I don't want to flame.
[18:16:26] <mofino> postfix is fine, mostly
[18:16:29] <mofino> just has rough edges
[18:16:41] <rsc> if it just were edges...holes :)
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[18:16:46] <mofino> heh yeah
[18:17:33] <mofino> for the first time in my history as a mail admin, we lost mail using postfix
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[18:18:04] <mofino> not really postfix's fault, it's just... sensitive
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[18:21:01] <rsc> it's a fault when it doesn't work as in documentation.
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[18:21:35] <mofino> going to test this for you
[18:21:37] <mofino> i'm curious now
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[18:22:31] <rsc> mofino: try it. I'm not so curious, because when I googled now, I found others, describing the same *shrug*
[18:22:36] <mofino> haha
[18:22:46] <mofino> what do you have in your access file?
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[18:23:03] <mofino> email REJECT?
[18:24:08] <rsc> mofino: 1.2.3.4 OK
[18:24:29] <mofino> err
[18:24:45] <mofino> weird
[18:24:55] <mofino> so you're blocking MAIL FROM via IP?
[18:25:11] <mofino> err rather, accepting
[18:25:28] <rsc> hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_client_access pcre:/etc/postfix/client_checks_pcre
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[18:25:58] <mofino> that doesn't answer my question
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[18:26:17] <rsc> pcre contains a reject for the given IP, while access.db has OK for it.
[18:26:55] <mofino> strange
[18:27:04] <mofino> why is your configuration so messy?
[18:27:32] <rsc> because pcre has a big range in it and I need a single whitelisting for one good IP.
[18:27:32] <f3ew> rsc sender matches a sender address or domain, not an IP
[18:27:39] * f3ew hints
[18:27:41] <mofino> rsc, it works, you're just doing it wrong
[18:27:43] <mofino> 550 5.7.1 <reid at vianet dot ca>: Sender address rejected: OOPS
[18:27:48] <f3ew> you want a check_client_access
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[18:28:03] <mofino> I don't think you can limit by IP for MAIL FROM, it's technically illogical
[18:28:14] <f3ew> you can
[18:28:19] <f3ew> The check is just delayed
[18:28:27] <mofino> just weird
[18:28:33] <f3ew> Why?
[18:28:36] <mofino> seems like if you want to do IP work, it's done on client connect
[18:28:40] <f3ew> "all checks happen at RCPT"
[18:28:52] <mofino> if you delay, yes
[18:28:58] <jsm> i'm getting the following message in my mail log:  "lost connection after UNKNOWN from unknown" [10.1.1.100]", that ip should be valid and able to connect
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[18:29:08] <rsc> check_client_access blocks a whole network, I would like to except a single IP address from that. Suggestions?
[18:29:11] <mofino> jsm, should and is are completely different
[18:29:18] <f3ew> No, you have the IP HELO and SENDER information available at RCPT anyway
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[18:29:37] <mofino> whatever the case, check_sender_access works at RCPT
[18:29:41] <f3ew> rsc check_client_access with a single IP
[18:29:42] <jsm> mofino, agreed, i've explicitly allowed it in my main.cf
[18:29:51] <mofino> jsm, what does that change?
[18:30:08] <mofino> rsc, order in which it evaulates
[18:30:09] <f3ew> smtpd_
[18:30:12] <mofino> evaluates
[18:30:15] <jsm> mofino, the list of ip's that are allowed to use it as an outgoing mail server
[18:30:19] <f3ew>  check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, check_client_access pcre:/etc/postfix/client_checks_pcre
[18:30:23] <f3ew> try _that_
[18:30:31] <mofino> jsm, my point was, does it ACTUALLY work?
[18:30:44] <rsc> f3ew: 2x check_client_access?
[18:30:45] <jsm> mofino, no, i can't send mail from said IP
[18:30:57] <f3ew> rsc yes
[18:31:22] <rsc> f3ew: hang on
[18:31:39] <mofino> rsc, it may block based on the client restriction, never looking at the allow in the sender
[18:31:52] <mofino> jsm, why not?
[18:32:05] <f3ew> mofino, he is trying to match a sender email address instead of an IP address
[18:32:15] <mofino> f3ew, no he had IPs in both
[18:32:18] <f3ew> wrong check
[18:32:21] <jsm> mofino, that is the $1,000,000 question.
[18:32:22] <mofino> f3ew, in client and sender
[18:32:28] <mofino> jsm, it would be in your logs
[18:32:40] <f3ew> mofino, but in the first case, he was using check_sender_address, which uses the address or domain in MAIL
[18:32:52] <f3ew> mofino the same terminology as in RFC 5321
[18:33:04] <Lewatos> Hi everybody. I have a (maybe) simple problem by using a smarthost. If I log in manualy into the smarthost with the self generated hashcode (perl -MMIME::Base64 -e ...) the smarthost accepts me, but if i'm using postfix my smarthost tells me: "smtp_auth: smtp_auth: FAILED: relay - password incorrect" Anyone an idea ? :/
[18:33:25] <mofino> f3ew, you just told me you could put IPs in sender
[18:33:41] <mofino> Lewatos, it's obvious, SMTP AUTH FAILED
[18:33:43] <f3ew> Lewatos, run smtp in verbose mode and see the logs on what Postfix actually sends
[18:33:47] <f3ew> mofino no I did not
[18:33:58] <rsc> f3ew: I don't want to do any e-mail checks, just whitelist the host connecting to the postfix
[18:33:59] <f3ew> I said you could put the sender restriction in s_r_r
[18:34:08] <f3ew> rsc, I TOLD YOU WHAT TO DO
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[18:34:10] <mofino> 12:28 < mofino> I don't think you can limit by IP for MAIL FROM, it's technically illogical
[18:34:13] * f3ew is tired
[18:34:13] <mofino> 12:29 < f3ew> you can
[18:34:21] <jsm> mofino, the only mention i have of the ip in my logs is:  http://pastebin.com/m47d4f17e
[18:34:22] <f3ew> ah, sorry
[18:34:27] <f3ew> that was a misparsing
[18:34:34] <mofino> ok
[18:34:35] <Lewatos> But i'm using exactly the same account data mofino :/
[18:34:44] <mofino> jsm, looks like the client is dropping early
[18:34:48] <mofino> jsm, turn up your logging
[18:34:53] <f3ew> I meant you can use a check_client_access in smtpd_sender_restrictions
[18:34:58] <rsc> f3ew: 2x check_client_access seems to work, but why that way?
[18:35:02] <f3ew> Lewatos, LOGS
[18:35:05] <mofino> Lewatos, ... no idea
[18:35:11] <f3ew> rsc because you want to match an IP
[18:35:31] <rsc> f3ew: and access never matches the IP of the connecting host?
[18:35:32] <f3ew> an IP or HOSTNAME is matched by CLIENT
[18:35:42] <rsc> args.
[18:35:42] <f3ew> It's not the access, it's SENDER vs CLIENT
[18:35:46] <mofino> rsc, there you go
[18:35:59] <mofino> SENDER/RCPT == domain / email
[18:36:03] <mofino> CLIENT == IP
[18:36:17] <rsc> :q
[18:36:23] <rsc> okay.
[18:36:47] <mofino> access man page is a bit confusing
[18:36:55] <mofino> gives you the impression anything will work
[18:37:06] <f3ew> mofino, the terminology is consistent with RFC 821/2821/5321
[18:37:09] <googlah> Lewatos: what is your "relayhost" line in main.cf?
[18:37:27] <f3ew> what actually works depends on calling context
[18:37:45] <mofino> f3ew, not questioning the terminology, just how things are applied
[18:37:53] <mofino> f3ew, exactly
[18:38:11] <f3ew> check_mumble_access, where the mumble determines the specific bit of SMTP transaction value being checked
[18:38:38] <mofino> yeah, makes sense
[18:38:45] <googlah> Lewatos: Apparently it is failing with the password.
[18:38:53] <Lewatos> I'm merging all important files into one paste
[18:39:00] <Lewatos> give me a second :)
[18:39:22] <mofino> Lewatos, you checking your authentication logs?
[18:40:18] <rsc> f3ew, mofino: Thank you very much.
[18:40:18] <jsm> mofino, i turned on debug_peer for that ip, found this:  502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[18:40:32] <mofino> weird
[18:40:34] <mofino> who is saying that?
[18:40:53] <f3ew> jsm, is there a Cisco firewall in front of the box?
[18:41:02] <mofino> jsm, doesn't seem like something postfix would say
[18:41:15] <mofino> 502 unimplemented (#5.5.1)
[18:41:18] <f3ew> mofino, it does if you send it **** instea of EHLO
[18:41:27] <jsm> there is a cisco firewall in front of the client, not the postfix server
[18:41:32] <stony> i need something like mail with gnupg support - any suggestions ?
[18:41:37] <mofino> f3ew, i just tried it, came back with what i pasted
[18:41:47] <mofino> jsm, sooo
[18:41:54] <f3ew> 220 devdas-b.internal.directi.com ESMTP Postfix
[18:41:55] <f3ew> **** foo.example.com
[18:41:55] <f3ew> 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[18:41:55] <Lewatos> http://pastebin.com/dfec8c4e  Here should be all important :o
[18:41:58] <mofino> stony, enigmail
[18:42:03] <stony> mofino: thx
[18:42:24] <f3ew> jsm turn OFF smtp protocol fixup on the firewall
[18:42:40] <mofino> f3ew, oh nevermind, wrong machine ;)
[18:42:42] <stony> mofino: something for the shell (that's why i was talking about "/usr/bin/mail")
[18:42:57] <mofino> stony, no idea, google
[18:43:01] <f3ew> stony mutt
[18:43:03] <mofino> maybe mutt
[18:43:09] <stony> but isn't mutt interactive ?
[18:43:22] <f3ew> not if you don't want it to be
[18:43:23] <mofino> sigh
[18:43:28] <stony> ok
[18:43:34] <mofino> mailx + gnupg
[18:43:37] <stony> i need a /usr/bin/mail replacement for shell scripting
[18:43:54] <mofino> i imagine there are hundreds of scripts to do this
[18:43:55] <f3ew> gpg file | mail -s 'sub' dom at example dot com
[18:44:04] <jsm> f3ew, but the client is behind the cisco firewall, the postfix server isn't... the firewall is still intercepting that?
[18:44:10] <stony> f3ew: thx
[18:44:13] <mofino> jsm, duh?
[18:44:24] <mofino> client -> firewall -> postfix
[18:44:27] <f3ew> jsm, *shrug*
[18:44:29] <mofino> internet -> postfix
[18:44:48] <f3ew> jsm, the debug_peer thing should also tell you what was sent by the client
[18:46:19] <googlah> Lewatos: can't say for sure.. as my relayhost is IP-based.. don't use any user/pass.
[18:46:45] <googlah> Lewatos: Try this man: http://freelock.com/kb/Postfix_relayhost. Was a different solution, than yours.
[18:47:08] <Lewatos> ok, i'll take a look. thx
[19:00:23] <Lewatos> ok.. fixed it.. stupid mistake.. don't want to talk about it :p
[19:02:01] <Lewatos> Btw: Does anyone know a good solution to manage the allowed rcpt addresses/domains, maybe with an web based admin control panel ?
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[19:14:49] <mofino> Lewatos, SQL
[19:15:32] <BBishop> q: I have some domains with the same mx .. if I try to send a mail from a at domain1 dot tld to b at domain2 dot tld ( domain1 & domain2 are on the same box ) I get : domain2.tld loops back to myself
[19:15:39] <BBishop> what did I do wrong ? :)
[19:15:52] <vice-versa> !loopback
[19:15:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[19:16:05] <mofino> not configured locally
[19:17:31] <Lewatos> do you know a good site, where it is explained how to implement this ?
[19:18:19] <Lewatos> I've a mySQL server running with all the mailserver data, so that would be nice
[19:19:08] <mofino> postfix.org
[19:19:14] <mofino> google.com
[19:19:40] <BBishop> so .. I got this virtual_mailbox_domains = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf
[19:19:47] <mofino> proxy?
[19:19:58] <mofino> whatever the case, as long as it works...
[19:20:10] <BBishop> which says query = SELECT domain AS virtual FROM domains WHERE domain='%s'
[19:20:19] <BBishop> and I got domain2.tld and domain1.tld there ..
[19:20:26] <BBishop> mofino, well .. it doesn't work :|
[19:20:46] <mofino> not sure what to tell you
[19:21:02] <mofino> perhaps try using a flatfile
[19:21:24] <BBishop> well .. I wanted mysql .. works just fine when I send/receive mails to all the domains from the outside
[19:21:36] <BBishop> the only problem is when I try to send an email to myself or to another vmail on my box
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[19:23:31] <BBishop> one sec . why does it try to connect to himself through the internet :|
[19:26:18] <vice-versa> BBishop: because you're sql logic is flawed
[19:27:14] <BBishop> no .. because I setup my dns server wrong .. so instead of localhost reporting the local ip .. it reported the external ip :)
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[19:29:43] <vice-versa> I guess, you're sql logic is still flawed for what virtual_mailbox_domains should be populated with
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[19:30:28] <BBishop> well .. it's populated with the names of the domains which my mx server should accept mails for :)
[19:30:37] <BBishop> like domain1.tld, domain2.tld and so on ..
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[19:36:31] <BBishop> ok .. it's connecting to itself ok now .. still getting that error :|
[19:37:33] <BBishop> this is what I get .. http://pastebin.com/m7953f953
[19:39:39] <BBishop> I don't get it :)
[19:40:48] <BBishop> for me .. mail.d3xt3r01.tk is 10.3.0.123
[19:41:04] <BBishop> so when I try to mail to myself .. it gets to 10.3.0.123 ( local dns )
[19:41:15] <mofino> ...
[19:41:17] <BBishop> dig mx on my machine reports 10.3.0.123 ok ..
[19:41:23] <mofino> is eniasan.com a local domain?
[19:41:42] <BBishop> no .. it should work for you too
[19:41:57] <mofino> so it's not a domain you are hosting/
[19:42:10] <BBishop> ow, yes, I'm the one who's hosting it.
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[19:42:34] <mofino> so why isn't your server accepting it for delivery?
[19:42:56] <BBishop> well .. if you send emails from gmail for example to emil at eniasan dot ro .. works ok ..
[19:43:08] <mofino> .ro?
[19:43:16] <BBishop> but when I try to send an email to emil at eniasan dot ro from emil at eniasan dot ro .. I get that issue
[19:43:18] <mofino> we are talking about .com
[19:43:20] <mofino> not the same thing
[19:43:44] <BBishop> WOUPS !
[19:43:48] <BBishop> GRRR
[19:43:51] <BBishop> I'm dumb
[19:44:22] <mofino> computers don't assume
[19:44:57] <BBishop> I have the .com and the .ro .. I was trying to .com not to .ro .. .com is working now too ( added it to mysql )
[19:45:10] <BBishop> sorry for wasting your time .. thanks for making me see the issue :)
[19:45:24] <mofino> np
[19:45:35] <mofino> no time wasted, i willing sit here and do this ;)
[19:46:16] <mofino> willingly*
[19:46:41] <BBishop> well, thanks anyway :)
[19:47:18] <mofino> no problem
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[19:59:10] <stockholm> is there a way to throttle mail delivery per domain?
[19:59:30] <stockholm> som sort of lowpass-throttle? :-)
[20:00:37] <mofino> yes
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[20:00:59] <mofino> default_destination_rate_delay maybe
[20:00:59] <stockholm> how do i do that?
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[20:01:03] <stockholm> ah
[20:01:51] <mofino> per domain, i'm not entirely sure
[20:02:10] <stockholm> yes, per domain is kind of important
[20:04:46] <stockholm> i would have to define one transport per domain. :-/
[20:04:47] <mofino> read the docs
[20:04:53] <mofino> maybe
[20:05:35] <stockholm> and it does not ramp up on the delivery attempts slowly if the backlog increases.
[20:05:44] <mofino> it may
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[20:06:06] <stockholm> hu? how could i do THAT?
[20:06:20] <mofino> i know there is options for load handling
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[20:06:24] <mofino> again, read the docs
[20:06:44] <mofino> takes 30 minutes to scan over the main.cf docs
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[20:52:07] <Siavash> hi all
[20:53:39] <Siavash> there are several emails which are kept in queue and when I run "postqueue -f" I gent errors like: status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
[20:53:47] <Siavash> get*
[20:54:01] <mofino> check your logs
[20:54:03] <Siavash> new emails are transferred without problems
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[20:59:50] <vice-versa> Siavash: if you removed a transport you'll have to requeue the mail, man postsuper
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[21:01:58] <luis14> HOLA
[21:02:52] <Siavash> vice-versa: thanks :-)
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[21:17:40] <phantomcircuit> I have postfix running, and I can connect to it on port 25, but there is no welcome banner
[21:17:59] <vice-versa> !obvious
[21:18:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[21:18:16] <redmine_user> is http://pastebin.com/m2fda3e0a a sufficient main.cnf? (if all linked files are existent)
[21:18:48] <redmine_user> or are there any parameters i do have to set in order to run postfix?
[21:19:31] <redmine_user> this config only gives me an fatal table lookup problem
[21:19:32] <phantomcircuit> hmm this is probably it
[21:19:33] <phantomcircuit> Oct 15 19:13:42 mail postfix/smtpd[97852]: warning: SASL: Connect to /var/run/dovecot/auth-client failed: Permission denied
[21:19:45] <phantomcircuit> does the smtpd run as root?
[21:19:59] <vice-versa> no
[21:20:26] <redmine_user> but i have already checked the mysql alias config ~100times
[21:20:58] <redmine_user> (running debian etch + postfix 2.3.8)
[21:21:19] <phantomcircuit> there are several processes that i assume are part of postfix, /usr/local/libexec/postfix/master (which is running as root) pickup -l -t fifo -u (running as postfix) and qmgr -l -t fifo -u (running as postfix also)
[21:22:25] <redmine_user> here is tail of all mail logs: http://pastebin.com/m66697b6f
[21:23:06] <pickcoder> redmine_user: postmap -q <key> mysql:<path to matching table query>
[21:23:21] <pickcoder> see if postmap can pull up a query you know to exist
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[21:25:32] <redmine_user> pickcoder: postmap: fatal: bad string length 0 < 1: mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf_dbname =
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[21:25:42] <redmine_user> although i have set dbname = postfix
[21:27:32] <pickcoder> delete the line an retype it to make sure there are no special chars
[21:27:50] <redmine_user> which one?
[21:27:54] <pickcoder> dbname
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[21:28:59] <redmine_user> http://pastebin.com/m7ad55801 -> there is nothing like a special char
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[21:40:22] <phantomcircuit> My ISP doesn't run an open SMTP server for it's clients, you need to login to the SMTP server, how can i setup postfix to send mail through their server?
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[21:42:00] <Zonei> Hi all. I need some help. I've got virtual mailboxes set up on the system and everything works fine. I'd like to implement forwarders, for the same domains that mailboxes are for. I want email sent to one at example dot com be forwarded to two at example dot com. I tried setting upa virtual_alias map, but incoming email to a forwarder address bounces with User unknown in virtuali alias table. Help?
[21:42:03] <redmine_user1> phantomcircuit: take a look at smarthost configuration
[21:43:37] <redmine_user1> Zonei: have you generated the map?
[21:44:08] <Zonei> redmine_user1: yes, postmap vforwarders, then set virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/vforwarders
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[21:45:25] <phantomcircuit>  warning: biff_notify: Operation not permitted <-- what does that mean?
[21:45:28] <redmine_user1> postmap -q one at example dot com hash:/etc/postfix/one at example dot com
[21:45:40] <redmine_user1> Zonei: does this work?
[21:45:44] <Zonei> sec
[21:46:37] <Zonei> redmine_user1: yes, gives me two at example dot com
[21:47:29] <Zonei> redmine_user1: do I need virtual_alias_domains set to same domains as in virtual_mailbox_domains?
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[21:49:42] <Zonei> redmine_user1: ok, I removed the virtual_alias_domains (commented out), and it apparently works now. thanks, though.
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[21:51:00] <phantomcircuit> wow fascinating, my mail server has been down for about two weeks now, but now that it's up and running im getting mail that was send weeks ago
[21:51:03] <alephant> Hi all!
[21:51:26] <phantomcircuit> i guess some people have their mail servers setup to retry for a long ass time
[21:51:27] <sysmonk> phantomcircuit: postfix queues the mail for 5 days by default
[21:51:34] <sysmonk> 2 weeks is kinda... long :)
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[21:51:51] <Zonei> phantomcircuit: queue timeouts. i set mine to few minutes. either it is sent or call back no dice. :)
[21:52:02] <sysmonk> Zonei: few minutes?
[21:52:05] <Zonei> yes
[21:52:07] <vice-versa> O.o
[21:52:11] <sysmonk> Zonei: are you joking? few minutes won't even pass greylisting
[21:52:38] <Zonei> hmm....never thought of that...
[21:52:42] <sysmonk> few minutes is awful. the only reason i see for setting it just for few minutes is ... spam
[21:52:57] <redmine_user1> Zonei: sry, don't know that, but give it a try
[21:53:07] <Zonei> redmine_user1: yes, it works now, thanks.
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[21:53:40] <Zonei> well, i have no bouncebacks for any outgoing email. if i do, i'll know what to do.
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[21:54:05] <alephant> Hi all
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[21:54:18] <alephant> ...is it possible to slice up the rh-side result of a map lookup?
[21:54:36] <phantomcircuit>  warning: biff_notify: Operation not permitted <-- what does that mean?
[21:54:37] <alephant> i.e. I have a virtual_mailbox_map that returns username at domain dot tld
[21:54:59] <alephant> and I want to deliver that to $mailroot/domain/d/domain.tld/u/username
[21:55:22] <alephant> Does that question make sense, and if so, how does it work?
[21:55:32] <sysmonk> alephant: no, postfix can't do that, but you can achieve that by creating custom mailbox maps
[21:55:38] <sysmonk> that is, by using virtual(8)
[21:56:07] <sysmonk> alephant: you have to feed that path yourself to postfix, i.e. have it in sql or generate a hash with that path
[21:56:20] <alephant> so instead of the rh side of the map being %u%@d, it should be the actual path?
[21:56:22] <sysmonk> or use software like cyrus which will do that for you
[21:56:27] <alephant> !!!
[21:56:27] <knoba> alephant: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
[21:56:32] <sysmonk> and is the way to go for large scale setups, at least imho
[21:56:34] <alephant> cyrus!  That's the problem
[21:56:35] <alephant> :-)
[21:56:46] <alephant> So cyrus wants to deliver to that location
[21:56:48] <alephant> er
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[21:56:56] <alephant> wants to chroot an IMAP login
[21:57:07] <alephant> hang on hang on
[21:57:12] <alephant> lemme start again, in more detail
[21:57:16] * alephant grimaces.
[21:57:22] <sysmonk> alephant: if you're using local - no, there's no way. if you're using virtual(8) - you specify that in your virtual_* configs
[21:57:29] <alephant> it's virtual
[21:57:38] <alephant> virtual_mailbox_maps comes from LDAP
[21:58:00] <redmine_user1> so i have located the error now - postmap doesn't even read the user and password
[21:58:03] <alephant> The result_attribute was the email address... which I guess is dumb.
[21:58:19] <redmine_user1> like i'm using the completely wrong syntax
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[21:58:28] <alephant> So I should determine the mailbox location and populate the LDAP entry with that string at account-creation time, and then use *that* as my result_attribute.
[21:58:33] <sysmonk> alephant: then it will put that in virtual_mailbox_base / what_ldap_gives_back_to_you
[21:58:42] <sysmonk> just tell ldap to return the path you need, that's all
[21:58:45] <alephant> Gosh, things make so much sense when saying them out loud :-/
[21:58:57] <phantomcircuit>  warning: biff_notify: Operation not permitted <-- what does that mean?
[21:58:57] <redmine_user1> is there anything wrong with this: http://pastebin.com/m7ad55801
[21:58:58] <sysmonk> alephant: yup :))
[21:59:14] <sysmonk> phantomcircuit: biff notifies local users about having new mail
[21:59:16] <alephant> thanks
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[21:59:32] <sysmonk> phantomcircuit: so, biff can't notify, maybe there are some permission issues
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[21:59:41] <sysmonk> or you set your biff to something scary
[21:59:53] <adaptr> he set his biff to marty
[22:00:04] <sysmonk> if you don't do local(8) delivery and you don't read the email with server-side client ( i.e. mutt, mailx or whatever ) then you don't care about biff
[22:00:36] <sysmonk> adaptr: sure, why not
[22:00:36] <sysmonk> ;P
[22:01:10] <adaptr> MACFLYYYY!
[22:01:10] <sysmonk> one of my antispam server died twice today. something is wrong with it ;/
[22:02:18] <phantomcircuit> sysmonk, hmm well i have it setup with local users, who will never actually login because mail checks are really done with IMAP
[22:02:23] <phantomcircuit> so i guess I can turn that off
[22:02:35] <sysmonk> phantomcircuit: bingo
[22:03:05] <Trengo> sysmonk what they run?
[22:03:15] <redmine_user1> pickcoder: do you have another clue why postmap can't read my config file?
[22:03:57] <sysmonk> Trengo: whole lot of sh*t, or in other words - amavisd, spamassassin, clamav, OCR, razor, bayes, i_am_tired_of_writing_all_the_software
[22:04:01] <phantomcircuit> awesome everything is working now
[22:04:20] <phantomcircuit> well i dont have smarthost configured but that doesn't seem to matter since mail is being delivered anyways
[22:04:54] <Trengo> sysmonk ouch! i gave up on most of that, very little benefit
[22:05:01] <Trengo> no ocr and no bayes
[22:05:25] <sysmonk> Trengo: when pdf/image spam was popular, clients were bitching too much
[22:05:36] <sysmonk> those boxes scan a few million emails / day
[22:05:53] <sysmonk> so it does give some benefits to clients which bitch too much ;/
[22:06:13] <Trengo> sysmonk i hear you... at least ocr didnt catch that many
[22:06:18] <Trengo> maybe half percent
[22:06:23] <phantomcircuit> argh stupid school, someone is trashing the router with bittorrent :|
[22:06:28] <sysmonk> one guy was really mad, because he said he gets too much spam, when i asked what is 'too much' he answered that he got 3!!!! spam messages this week
[22:06:36] <Trengo> wow
[22:06:36] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: stupidly configured router, then
[22:06:53] <sysmonk> i didn't know what to answer to that one ...
[22:07:09] <sysmonk> so you see, some clients get mad even when they get only a few spam mails / week
[22:07:22] <Trengo> oh i know
[22:07:22] <vice-versa> yup, asshats
[22:07:27] <sysmonk> so having some additional ocr toys does help a bit
[22:07:30] <phantomcircuit> adaptr, there are around 5 million active connections from this one guy right now
[22:07:57] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: that must be quite some router, then
[22:08:17] <phantomcircuit> yeah it is
[22:08:35] <phantomcircuit> i have one of the ten 1000BASE-T connections from it
[22:08:45] <Trengo> i've had someone yelling at me because they hadnt had any email all morning, and the problem was their router was down :s
[22:08:47] <phantomcircuit> I can get sustained 300 MB/s
[22:09:02] <kylepike> hey, I was wondering if someone might be able to help me debug... I'm getting - postfix/qmgr[16439]: warning: connect to transport smtp: No such file or directory
[22:09:04] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: what router ?
[22:09:18] <sysmonk> Trengo: that kind of problems are detected too fast here
[22:09:46] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: 300MB/sec is not possible on GbE
[22:09:46] <sysmonk> Trengo: i don't restart my imapd at working hours, because i know i'll get some complaints
[22:09:59] <sysmonk> the few seconds the imapd/pop3d will be down will cost me 20 minutes of replying to the clients :)
[22:10:23] <phantomcircuit> adaptr, the B should be b
[22:10:28] <adaptr> indeed
[22:11:28] <phantomcircuit> yes well at one point I had 50 torrents downloading, each had roughly 20K peers connected :P
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[22:12:23] <Trengo> sysmonk me either, all maintenance is done between 6 and 8am
[22:12:31] <Trengo> and lawyers complaint!
[22:13:07] <vice-versa> 6-8am, damn
[22:13:22] <sysmonk> Trengo: oh, lawyers suck the most
[22:13:22] <Trengo> last night was from 4 - 6
[22:13:32] <sysmonk> we have ~3-5 lawyer companies here
[22:13:35] <sysmonk> bigest ones in our country
[22:13:39] <vice-versa> 2-5am for us
[22:13:42] <sysmonk> so... i hate them
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[22:15:24] <phantomcircuit_> that's interesting
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[22:16:47] <phantomcircuit> dont most mail servers restrict mail sent from residential addresses where the reverse dns doesnt match?
[22:16:57] <mofino> they can
[22:17:26] <sysmonk> s/most/many/ - yes :)
[22:18:19] <Trengo> we do our best to reject all mail sent directly from residential addressess
[22:18:21] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: it depends on how you look at that
[22:18:47] <phantomcircuit> adaptr, how i look at it?
[22:19:18] <phantomcircuit> oh from the perspective of someone blocking
[22:19:27] <adaptr> phantomcircuit: rejecting mail from a client whose HELO does not resolve to the actual IP is in the RFC, but rejecting based on reverse IP resolving to the HELO name is less common - and also rather counterproductive
[22:20:05] <adaptr> as many (MANY) mailservers do not have a correct rDNS entry - since they are not required to by the RFCs
[22:20:37] <adaptr> at a guess, 90% of all non-corporate, and over 50% of all corporate mail servers would fall off the net if that were made a requirement
[22:20:46] <adaptr> check some out sometime ;)
[22:21:18] <phantomcircuit> well in that case forget smarthost
[22:21:32] <phantomcircuit> awesome there is now a mail server in my basement :P
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[22:22:00] <sysmonk> i don't even want to know what i have in my basement
[22:22:28] <vice-versa> neither do I
[22:22:33] <adaptr> I have lots of servers in my basement, none functional
[22:23:46] <kylepike> whenever I change the port for smtp in master.cf ... I get this when I try and send mail? postfix/error[3207]: DE040298139: to=<kylec at gmail dot com>, relay=none, delay=22, delays=22/0.04/0/0.08, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (mail transport unavailable)
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[22:24:03] <kylepike> if I change it back, it works?
[22:24:11] <sysmonk> how did you change it?
[22:24:15] <adaptr> and this surprises you because ?
[22:24:27] <kylepike> I changed it how I read your suposed to online
[22:24:37] <adaptr> the 22 second delay is revealing
[22:24:50] <kylepike> by editing, master.cf and changing the smtp line to the port number
[22:25:08] <kylepike> I also tried editing /etc/services, and adding it as a new name "smtp2" and calling it by that
[22:25:18] <adaptr> meaning all mail will be sent out to a non-standard port... and ?
[22:25:29] <kylepike> that seems to have fixed the error...  postfix/qmgr[16439]: warning: connect to transport smtp: No such file or directory
[22:26:13] <sysmonk> "guys, i'm breaking the rfc in 100+ ways, and my smtp doesnt work, anyone knows what can be the trouble?'
[22:26:30] <kylepike> adaptr, that changes on what port the mail gets send to?
[22:26:43] <kylepike> I guess what im trying to do is to change what port the client connects to, to send mail
[22:27:00] <vice-versa> think about that for a sec
[22:27:31] <adaptr> kylepike: SMT*P* == SENDING mail
[22:27:37] <adaptr> SMTP*D* == RECEIVING mail
[22:27:44] <mofino> in postfix context
[22:27:45] <adaptr> no 2 ways aboot it
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[22:27:58] <kylepike> adaptr, ahhh I see, so just change the smtpd port. not the smtp port... duh
[22:28:10] <mofino> wait
[22:28:13] <adaptr> master.cf actually contains plenty of comments to this effect
[22:28:43] <redmine_user1> postmap -q mysql:.... gets the right result, but the rewrite demon tells me: "table lookup problem"
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[22:28:58] <mofino> the important thing to note is the command being run
[22:29:06] <redmine_user1> where could the problem be?
[22:29:22] <mofino> redmine_user1, mail.{warn,err}
[22:29:27] <phantomcircuit> adaptr, this server is currently running on pure magic, it hasn't been touched or seen in almost 3 years, it's in a closet in my basement connected to the router via a ethernet over powerlines thing, literally nobody has touched it in 3 years
[22:29:48] <adaptr> is it bricked in yet ?
[22:30:01] <redmine_user1> mofino: err
[22:30:01] <phantomcircuit> not yet
[22:30:11] <phantomcircuit> i should do that just so it'll be more ridiculous
[22:30:18] <mofino> haha
[22:30:36] <redmine_user1> mofino: just fatal: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem
[22:30:37] <lennard> make it airtight too :P
[22:30:57] <mofino> redmine_user1, not sure...
[22:31:06] <phantomcircuit> lawl did i mention the furnace is on the other side of the wall?
[22:31:06] <mofino> redmine_user1, perhaps enable more debugging
[22:31:26] <redmine_user1> could it be that it is because of chroot?
[22:31:26] <SeJo> hey all i've set up a basic postfix server
[22:31:32] <SeJo> but i always get bounces
[22:31:36] <mofino> redmine_user1, it's possible, not sure
[22:31:37] <adaptr> define basic
[22:31:46] <mofino> redmine_user1, chroot is always at issue...
[22:32:46] <SeJo>  status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=samurai-x.org type=A: Host not found)
[22:32:57] <mofino> SeJo, chroot
[22:32:58] <SeJo> mofino: only set the strict minimum settings
[22:33:09] <SeJo> mofino: no chroot
[22:33:18] <mofino> you positive?
[22:33:25] <SeJo> how to make sure?
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[22:33:59] <vice-versa> !chroot
[22:34:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[22:34:19] <gpled> back in the day, i used to use dnsstuff.com.  now they are to commercial.  anyone have a site, that they like to use, to check dns issues against?
[22:34:26] <SeJo> yes it's set to n
[22:34:47] <mofino> SeJo, what is it?
[22:35:03] <mofino> gpled, google it
[22:35:19] <mofino> gpled, also try finding some recursive remote dns servers
[22:35:29] <SeJo> mofino: it is not chrooted (set tot n)
[22:35:32] <Trengo> gpled i like robtex.com
[22:35:43] <gpled> Trengo: thanks for reading the question
[22:35:46] <mofino> SeJo, what is "IT"?
[22:35:51] <SeJo> smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[22:36:11] <Trengo> gpled there are others, i cant find any as comprehensive as dnsstuff
[22:36:26] <mofino> SeJo, is that the service is that producing the problem?
[22:36:32] <SeJo> yes
[22:36:35] <Trengo> checkdns.net and so
[22:36:42] <adaptr> gpled: dns issues ?
[22:36:48] <gpled> Trengo: its on my todo list to make a free dnsstuff site :)
[22:36:49] <adaptr> you need more than dig ?
[22:36:50] <mofino> SeJo, no idea
[22:36:55] <SeJo> mofino: and they are all set to n
[22:37:05] <SeJo> if i ping samurai-x.org i get a reply
[22:37:24] <mofino> ok, perhaps your resolver is fucked
[22:37:24] <mofino> who knows
[22:37:39] <Trengo> gpled i let others bother with that :) i cant do sites
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[22:40:14] <gpled> Trengo: that graph is cool at robtex.com.  thanks for the info
[22:41:06] <Trengo> gpled its mostly the "you're not in these blacklists" that i like
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[22:41:50] <mofino> also, traceroute.org and it's friends
[22:41:57] <mofino> has some DNS providers
[22:42:52] <SeJo> mofino: fixed it, dns update (it returned 2 different ip's for same host)
[22:42:58] <SeJo> but now i get this status=bounced (mail for samurai-x.org loops back to myself)
[22:43:02] <SeJo> shouldn't happen neither
[22:43:24] <mofino> SeJo, not locally configured?
[22:43:59] <SeJo> mofino i thought it was, apparently not :/
[22:44:14] <mofino> :/
[22:45:19] <SeJo> fixed thanks mate!
[22:45:39] <mofino> I didn't do anything :)
[22:45:42] <mofino> but np
[22:46:17] <SeJo> yes you did you told me it wasn't locally configured (forgot the mydestination)
[22:46:30] <adaptr> !loopback
[22:46:30] <knoba> adaptr: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[22:46:35] <adaptr> go read that
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[23:15:00] <m0zzzy> hi
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[23:16:24] <m0zzzy> anyone has experience with using maildrop and postfix virtual? I have a problem, with maildrop I cannot do a successful lookup in LDAP using mailAlternateAddress as search attribute.
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[23:40:42] <gpled> mofino: thanks for the traceroute.org site. has some cool info there too
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[23:48:48] <J2000_ca> Does anyone know how to get postfix to ignore local users listed in the unix passwd db? / how to make fallback_transport forward mail that bounces?





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