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[01:41:14] <Nirgal> Hi everyone. I have a problem with relocated_maps. The documentation says that as of version 2, a relocated recipient bring an error on the RCPT TO command. However, here, the recipient is accepted and a bounce mail is generated. Did anyone succeed in making relocated works properly? ( trivial-rewrite/resolve.c does not set any error flag...)
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[03:09:23] <bunnyto> hello , how to monitor the traffic of a mailbox in particular?
[03:10:44] <Dominian> logs
[03:16:08] <xpoint> end users dont have logs :)
[03:16:40] <xpoint> so its a kind of 42 answer
[03:17:21] <xpoint> bunnyto, what do you want to monitor ?
[03:19:06] <bunnyto> i want to monitor if the email has problems receiving emails , maybe checking the size or the amount of emails received by day
[03:23:05] <bunnyto> oh well, any form to monitor will be interesting
[03:23:15] <bunnyto> do we have any guide to tweak postfix?
[03:26:42] <sahil> bunnyto: yes, Postfix logs to the maillog which you can monitor with tail.
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[03:28:11] <bunnyto> any example to use tail to monitor 1 email address?
[03:33:17] <lunaphyte> man grep
[03:35:35] <lunaphyte> that's a clue though, not an example.
[03:35:49] <bunnyto> where are the postfix logs?
[03:36:02] <lunaphyte> ~tell bunnyto logs
[03:36:08] <lunaphyte> oops
[03:36:15] <lunaphyte> !tell bunnyto logs
[03:36:16] <knoba> bunnyto: -> "logs" : postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung
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[03:47:48] <bunnyto> any guide to tweak postfix?
[03:48:12] <xpoint> its is tweaked by default
[03:48:53] <bunnyto> ok so , i just install and no need of security configs, just the basics?
[03:49:29] <xpoint> http://www.postfix-book.com/ but if you want it :=)
[03:50:11] <xpoint> !tell bunnyto basic
[03:50:12] <knoba> bunnyto: -> "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[03:50:33] <bunnyto> i seee thanks
[03:50:50] <bunnyto> is is possible to earn the life mantaining postfix servers?
[03:50:59] <xpoint> nope
[03:51:19] <xpoint> to few jobs, to many wanny bies :)
[03:51:26] <bunnyto> whats the easiest way to earn the life mantaining something?
[03:52:01] <xpoint> nothing is easy thats why we are here in the first place
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[03:53:13] <xpoint> bunnyto, first step is learn postfix, next rule the world :)
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[03:54:38] <bunnyto> heh, damn, im 55 years old, im telling my boss that in invented Postfix, he believed me
[03:55:15] <xpoint> i belive you have being onto cpm aswell :)
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[03:55:57] <xpoint> as in comp.sys.os.cpm
[03:56:24] <bunnyto> cpm
[03:56:25] <bunnyto> ?
[03:59:00] <xpoint> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.cpm/topics?start=0&sa=N
[04:00:06] <bunnyto> who does use that?
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[04:01:18] <xpoint> me
[04:01:48] <xpoint> commodore 64 and all that shit :)
[04:02:00] <bunnyto> may i get a job learning CPM ?
[04:03:53] <xpoint> no, but if one knows cpm one can understand more  of todays os and how it working, when i started using computers it was all in 8bit and autocad hosted on cpm hardware, today one think that autocad needs 1Gb ram just to have a map
[04:04:38] <xpoint> but when i did autocad it was all in 64k ram
[04:04:57] <bunnyto> i agree, today all technology is overhyped...
[04:06:38] <xpoint> its like programmers newer think how do i reduce ram usage to a minimal, this times a long gone, ram is to cheap now to use time on ram optimizing programs that way
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[04:08:10] <xpoint> .. wasted asciii from cilly :)
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[04:09:02] <bunnyto> yeah, that points to one thing, we need to start programming for Iphones
[04:10:14] <xpoint> and run postfix on iphones
[04:11:01] <bunnyto> thats brilliant!
[04:12:00] <xpoint> i would prefer ssmtpd on iphone
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[05:08:52] <[shg]> autocad is that old?
[05:10:35] <bunnyto> yeah, its arcaic
[05:11:33] <[shg]> I agree about memory management and programmers.
[05:11:44] <[shg]> Seldom do I try to optimize my programs to be memory efficient.
[05:12:45] <xpoint> db2 on 8bit
[05:13:00] <xpoint> wordstar
[05:14:05] <xpoint> big programs started on 8bit in very small enviroments
[05:14:41] <[shg]> All programs started in small environments.  Was not much of a choice.
[05:14:56] <[shg]> Speakin of which, http://www.disona.net/comments.php?DiscussionID=7&page=1#Item_4
[05:15:02] <[shg]> My problem and resolution if you were interested.
[05:15:04] <xpoint> i remember when we got 1280x960 pixel hires graphics to the autocad cpm computer, that was freaked
[05:15:34] <[shg]> Very rough, I'll rewrite it later.
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[05:16:12] <[shg]> postfix/virtual ignore myhostname which is unique in my opinion.
[05:16:16] <[shg]> ignores.
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[05:16:49] <[shg]> As of right now, I do not know of a variable to replace myhostname that postfix/virtual requires.
[05:17:52] <xpoint> nummeric hostname ?
[05:18:12] <[shg]> That's what it said.
[05:18:59] <xpoint> try 1.0.0.127.localhost.localdomain in myhostname in the postfix main.cf
[05:19:28] <[shg]> It is ignoring myhostname all together.
[05:20:08] <xpoint> but since myhostname is get from machine its runned from its not postfix fault
[05:20:34] <[shg]> myhostname is NOT gotten from the machine it is running from.
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[05:20:43] <[shg]> myhostname is a variable set in your main.cf
[05:21:46] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep myhostname
[05:21:56] <[shg]> All that information is in that link I posted earlier.
[05:22:28] <xpoint> postfix blame the host for have nummeric hostname
[05:22:34] <[shg]> Starts with the error, a few troubleshooting steps along with debug information which lists the information pertinate my conclusion.
[05:23:08] <[shg]> xpoint not just postfix, postfix/virtual
[05:25:58] <xpoint> uname -a gives `
[05:26:29] <amason_> hi guys, i am trying to use a virtual_mailbox_domains = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-domains.cf directive in main.cf. I have a working virtual_users map which i have copied and altered the query to
[05:26:31] <amason_> query    = SELECT domain_name as 'domain'  FROM virtual_domains WHERE domain_name='%d'
[05:26:50] <amason_> i am getting a recipient rejected error
[05:26:58] <amason_> which i assume means that the query is not correct
[05:27:06] <amason_> since it's the only thing that has changed
[05:27:32] <[shg]> xpoint once again, the troubleshooting has ended, I have located (with the help of a collegue) the problem and resolved it.
[05:28:01] <amason_> if i subsitute in the relevant domain name i get the correct results
[05:28:07] <[shg]> I was just posting it just in case you were wondering what the 'fix' was since I was working on it for so long.
[05:28:19] <amason_> if i enter it into the mysql console
[05:28:40] <[shg]> I must sleep now...
[05:28:45] * [shg] is sleeping
[05:29:18] <xpoint> [shg], thats very fast sleeping :)
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[05:31:46] <jmazaredo> my ip block is listed in uceprotect level 3
[05:32:05] <jmazaredo> nothing i can do about it eh?
[05:32:19] <amason_> is there any way i can see the sql query that postfix is sending off to the database ? my understanding from the documentation is that it is expecting back a domain name
[05:32:29] <amason_> which i am sure its getting
[05:32:53] <amason_> postmap -q amason at testdomain dot com mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-domains.cf
[05:33:00] <amason_> returns testdomain.com
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[05:37:30] <xpoint> amason_, but it should return nothing
[05:37:57] <xpoint> there is no domain with @ :)
[05:38:13] <xpoint> fix this
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[05:44:20] <amason_> xpoint:  i'm confused sorry. it isn't looking for a domain with '@' , the %d grabs the domain part of the string
[05:44:30] <amason_> so it does a lookup for testdomain.com
[05:44:53] <amason_> is the idea not to check that the domain part is valid ?
[05:45:12] <amason_> i have mailbox maps to check that its a valid user
[05:46:56] <xpoint> how is the query in mysql-domains.cf ?
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[05:47:37] <amason_> query    = SELECT domain_name as domain  FROM virtual_domains WHERE domain_name = '%d'
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[05:48:37] <amason_> xpoint: is that what you were asking ? I am sorry, english is not my first language so occasionally i get confused.
[05:48:56] <xpoint> try: query = SELECT domain  FROM virtual_domains WHERE domain_name = '%s'
[05:49:23] <amason_> ok
[05:49:58] <xpoint> when query with email address is must return nothing
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[05:50:27] <xpoint> when query with domain it must return the domain it self
[05:50:47] <xpoint> this is the domain maps so
[05:51:52] <xpoint> the user maps must not return anything for the domain query, but for the mailbox is should return the mailbox it self
[05:52:09] <amason_> ok i think i understand now. if i pass user at domain dot com when postfix looks up the domain maps it automatically strips the domain.com from the whole string
[05:52:15] <amason_> is that correct ?
[05:52:22] <xpoint> no
[05:52:26] <amason_> so when it does the look up , its passing only the domain already
[05:52:43] <amason_> no ?
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[05:53:03] <xpoint> %s is the -q string
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[06:23:39] <Landon> hi, I'm having some troubles with virtual aliases, in my main.cf I have:
[06:24:05] <Landon> virtual_alias_domains = mysite.org myothersite.org localhost localhost.localdomain
[06:24:18] <Landon> virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[06:24:47] <Landon> and then in /etc/postfix/virtual I have several entries like:
[06:24:50] <Landon> @mysite.org landon
[06:25:24] <Landon> but in my mail log after I send a message to a nonexisting address I get:
[06:25:35] <Landon> Oct 13 23:22:06 c29150 postfix/error[13139]: EDCAF14910: to=<landon at mysite dot org>, relay=none, delay=0.02, delays=0.01/0/0/0.01, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (User unknown in virtual alias table)
[06:25:57] <Landon> no error messages have come back to me either
[06:26:29] <Landon> is there a common problem I'm overlooking?
[06:27:51] <Landon> (just noticed there are a few messages similar, but that's the one for when the message is being forwarded to my account after being sent to a nonexistant one)
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[06:56:23] <Landon> hm I think I fixed it by removing the virtual_alias_domains line and moving them back to my_destinations, I would like to know if this is the optimal solution though
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[07:20:07] <k-man> i know this is not a postfix question but has anyone had problems with mailmanctl failing silently and so mailman stops forwarding emails?
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[09:26:28] <stony> hi
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[09:26:54] <stony> i'm running postfix 2.5.5-1.1 on debian sid and trying to setup sasl support
[09:27:30] <stony> saslauthd is working ok (tested with testsaslauthd), i edited /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf and added the needed values, also i set the vars in main.cf
[09:28:04] <stony> when i connect to postfix it hangs, and then drops the connection without sending the banner
[09:28:25] <stony> in syslog postfix says that there are no auth mechs available
[09:28:58] <stony> i set the path of saslauthd into the chroot environment of smtpd and checked that it is accessible by the postfix user
[09:29:21] <stony> so now i'm at the point that i straced postfix and it doesn't seem to search for the mux-socket of the saslauthd
[09:29:36] <stony> is it possible that this postfix version is missing sasl support ?
[09:29:56] <stony> it reads /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf and uses it, but it is not trying to connect to the saslauthd in any way
[09:30:40] <vice-versa> postconf -a
[09:31:04] <stony> cyrus
[09:31:05] <stony> dovecot
[09:31:25] <sysmonk> i like the sasl chroot note on postfix website
[09:31:41] <vice-versa> :)
[09:31:51] <vice-versa> make sure there is no trailing white space in smtpd.conf settings
[09:32:08] <sysmonk> "To run software chrooted with SASL support is an interesting exercise. It probably is not worth the trouble." www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html
[09:32:11] <sysmonk> ;)
[09:32:33] <vice-versa> !saslfinger
[09:32:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "saslfinger" : SASL authentication debugging tool for Postfix: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/
[09:32:35] <stony> sysmonk: i've got 10 servers this works on - so i'm a little bit confused atm
[09:33:50] <stony> vice-versa: no trailing white space found
[09:33:59] <stony> but i try it without the chroot
[09:35:14] <stony> the same
[09:35:29] <stony> and saslfinger is returning 0 mechs
[09:36:42] <stony> i'll go and test another version
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[09:38:13] <stony> saslfinger isn't looking for a mux socket either
[09:44:52] <vice-versa> pastebin the saslfinger output
[09:47:05] <stony> server only ?
[09:47:20] <vice-versa> yes
[09:48:31] <stony> vice-versa: http://rafb.net/p/BUra2g48.html
[09:51:31] <vice-versa> looks to me like you need to install libsasl2-modules
[09:52:00] <stony> i'm only using the pam module
[09:52:06] <stony> pam -> pam_pgsql
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[09:52:23] <stony> and this works
[09:52:35] <stony> testsaslauthd is working perfect
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[09:54:01] <realbugix> hi
[09:55:06] <stony> vice-versa: you're right - i missed the modules
[09:55:11] <stony> vice-versa: thx a lot !
[09:55:16] <vice-versa> ;)
[09:55:17] <vice-versa> np
[09:55:44] <realbugix> my /etc/postfix/transport file seems stuck
[09:56:03] <realbugix> or better cached somewhere
[09:56:33] <vice-versa> !vague
[09:56:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "vague" : Your description and or question is very vague. Please try to describe the problem more precisely. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[09:57:32] <realbugix> smtpd seems to cache old entrys of transport
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[09:58:03] <stony> realbugix: change the tranport file, do a postmap on it and then, perhaps, reload postfix
[09:58:09] <realbugix> i had a wrong entry in there, corrected it, postmapped restratet etc
[09:58:29] <realbugix> s/restratet/restarted/
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[09:59:25] <realbugix> even rebootet to kill some still-connected deamons
[10:01:41] <vice-versa> !obvious
[10:01:42] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
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[10:03:29] <stony> realbugix: so what makes you so sure that the wrong entry is still there ?
[10:04:54] <realbugix> stony: maybe i found it, i deletet my address_verify_map db
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[10:10:27] <realbugix> stony: the problem was that smtpd reprintet the error msg he has got from the unknown host which confused me
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[10:48:16] <Bigmack83> i have setup a mail server, i can connect via pop with ssl and smtp (port 25) with tls but i cant connect on port 25 with ssl or on port 587 at all. I dont see any errors in mail.log . I am using outlook to connect. on 587 for tls/ssl it just tells me it cant connect to smtp. on posrt 25 using ssl it tells me my server doesnt support the connection type
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[11:04:06] <vice-versa> wb
[11:05:25] <vice-versa> Bigmack83: have you tested with any other sane MUAs?
[11:06:25] <Bigmack83> no i havent. i can try thunderbird
[11:07:39] <vice-versa> general rule of thumb is to test using a sane standards compliant MUA such as thunderbird, once working, then see what it is you need to do to fix the broken MS shit
[11:09:10] <Bigmack83> yea good point. i have just used outlook for so long now i forget about thunderbird. havent used it in a while. but just downloaded it and getting ready to test with that
[11:09:39] <vice-versa> there is a ms tech net article that describes how to enable advanced debug logging in outhouse that can be of some help when you get to the point of trying to get it working
[11:10:06] <Bigmack83> ok thanks. i will look that up.
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[11:30:04] <Bigmack83> ok thunderbird is also unable to connect also to port 587 with ssl/tls
[11:33:00] <vice-versa> is the submission service enabled in master?
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[11:35:14] <Bigmack83> ok i did a netstat and seems postfix isnt listenign to 587, and i just opened up master.cf
[11:36:39] <vice-versa> !msa
[11:36:40] <knoba> vice-versa: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf
[11:41:03] <Bigmack83> ok now im getting a response. trying thunderbird again.
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[12:55:42] <nirgal> Hi everyone. I have a problem with relocated_maps: The documentation says that as of version 2 of postfix, the RPCT TO command should generate an error, but here the message it accepted for delivery, and then a bounce message is generated. Did anyone here succeeded in making relocated works properly?
[12:58:29] <xpoint> rcpt to must only be listed in relocation_maps
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[13:00:33] <nirgal> xpoint: I have a catch all for that domain. That may be the problem. I'll try thanks
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[13:30:07] <kaushal> hi
[13:30:24] <kaushal> I have restarted postfix on gentoo OS
[13:30:42] <kaushal> but i dont see maillog file under /var/log
[13:30:55] <onre> check out your syslog.conf and see where the maillog actually goes
[13:31:06] <xpoint> see messages why
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[13:32:15] <xpoint> kaushal, gentoo uses either metalog or syslog-ng, and syslog-ng logs all in /var/log/messages
[13:32:59] <xpoint> kaushal, this is the default, but syslog-ng can be configured diffrent
[13:34:39] <kaushal> xpoint, ok
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[13:35:12] <kaushal> xpoint, i dont see anything in the messages file
[13:35:34] <kaushal> I used mail command to send message and i dont see any message in the mailq command
[13:35:48] <kaushal> what could be the issue
[13:36:14] <xpoint> then see /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf if its default or try tty12
[13:36:58] <xpoint> no mail shown in mailq is pretty normal when all works :)
[13:37:25] <kaushal> but i dont receive any mails :)
[13:37:43] <kaushal> xpoint, how can i try tty12
[13:38:01] <xpoint> control alt f12
[13:38:09] <xpoint> from x11
[13:38:13] <kaushal> nope
[13:38:23] <xpoint> from console just alt f12
[13:38:30] <kaushal> i cannot do that since its a remote server
[13:38:39] <xpoint> ah
[13:38:53] <kaushal> xpoint, do you want my syslog-ng.conf
[13:39:02] <xpoint> nope
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[13:39:39] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep syslog
[13:40:08] <kaushal> ok
[13:40:22] <kaushal> syslog_facility = mail
[13:40:22] <kaushal> syslog_name = postfix
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[13:48:34] <kaushal> xpoint, yt ?
[13:48:57] <xpoint> see syslog-ng.conf
[13:49:07] <xpoint> is it running ?
[13:49:32] <kaushal> yeah
[13:49:38] <kaushal> root      7551     1  0 Jun30 ?        00:00:03 /usr/sbin/syslog-ng
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[13:50:44] <xpoint> cd /tmp && touch test && ls -l
[13:50:55] <xpoint> works ?
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[13:51:36] <kaushal> yes
[13:52:22] <vice-versa> !no_logs
[13:52:23] <xpoint> is /tmp /var/log/ same partion ? (just to be sure syslog-ng can write)
[13:52:53] <xpoint> no bot either :)
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[13:53:03] <vice-versa> yeah I see that
[13:53:15] <kaushal> xpoint, yes
[13:53:35] <vice-versa> !no_logs  = Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[13:53:43] <xpoint> kaushal, try restart syslog-ng so
[13:53:57] <kaushal> i did that
[13:56:35] <vice-versa> postlog -v "testing syslog logging"
[13:57:12] <kaushal> is vice-versa a bot ???
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[13:57:36] <vice-versa> nope
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[13:58:33] <kaushal> i did run that command
[13:58:42] * vice-versa has been downgraded to bot status :(
[13:59:07] <vice-versa> check the logs for that string
[13:59:39] <kaushal> postfix/postlog: testing syslog logging
[14:00:18] <vice-versa> and there is nothing else postfix related in that log?
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[14:03:05] <kaushal> yes
[14:03:38] <vice-versa> ok, well logging is working
[14:06:08] <kaushal> vice-versa, I am not getting mails :(
[14:08:47] <vice-versa> echo "mail test" | sendmail postmaster
[14:09:10] <kaushal> ok
[14:09:26] <kaushal> done
[14:09:43] <vice-versa> check the logs again
[14:10:02] <kaushal> where exactly
[14:10:23] <vice-versa> same log as last time
[14:11:30] <kaushal> you mean  postlog -v "testing syslog logging"
[14:11:38] <tifflor> is there some way causes postfix in use with courier-imap to create a .maildir directory for a specific user if it does not exist?
[14:12:21] <vice-versa> kaushal: no, check the log for details of the test mail to postmaster
[14:14:23] <vice-versa> tifflor: postfix will create the required .maildir structure if one does not exist on message delivery
[14:14:51] <tifflor> vice-versa: hmm, strange but it didn't that for every user
[14:15:39] <tifflor> vice-versa: it does that only if a new message arrives, correct?
[14:15:51] <vice-versa> normally yes
[14:16:29] <vice-versa> are you using something else for mailbox delivery?
[14:16:44] <vice-versa> postconf mailbox_command
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[14:20:40] <tifflor> vice-versa: no just postfix and courier-imap as backend
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[14:22:50] <vice-versa> only other thing I can think of is to check permissions of the mailbox directory tree
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[14:34:12] <Silicium> hi there
[14:34:35] <Silicium> i have created a virtual mailbox environment
[14:34:45] <Silicium> with a forwarding-table
[14:34:50] <tifflor> vice-versa: thank you for your help
[14:35:09] <Silicium> so if i send a mail to a in the forwarding table defined address i get the following smtp error:
[14:35:15] <Silicium> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table
[14:35:38] <Silicium> but why?
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[14:44:01] <Silicium> damn
[14:44:04] <Silicium> i found the failure
[14:45:14] <Silicium> my script has created wrong mail addresses :D
[14:45:16] <Silicium> bye
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[14:45:45] <Dominian> doh
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[14:51:16] <woleium> lo aall
[14:51:19] <woleium> all^
[14:53:37] <woleium> Anyone in here know how to stop (or limit by domain) postfix's auto bounce messages? We have had complaints that we are a backscatter source. For now i have set all our error replys to 450, but that's not a good long term solution.
[14:54:14] <woleium> oh, mail_version = 2.2.10
[14:54:45] <woleium> i know that there is new bounce confguration in 2.3, do i need to upgrade?
[14:54:55] <Dominian> wow
[14:55:04] <Dominian> 2.2.10 is older than the dinosaurs.
[14:55:08] <woleium> lol
[14:55:17] <Dominian> I'm on 2.5.0
[14:55:19] <Dominian> :)
[14:55:20] <woleium> i guess i should upgrade then
[14:55:25] <Dominian> I would say it'd be a good idea..
[14:55:31] <woleium> hehe
[14:55:43] <woleium> methinks that the yum install on this box is broken
[14:55:51] <Dominian> heh
[14:56:02] <woleium> damn isp's and their custom update repos
[14:56:11] <Dominian> aye
[14:56:21] * sysmonk runs 2.5.5
[14:56:31] <Dominian> When it comes to mail servers.. I usually build from source
[14:56:32] <woleium> but if i do upgrade, will i be able to stop the backscatter?
[14:56:35] <sysmonk> real os ++
[14:56:36] <Dominian> sysmonk: I'll be updating soon :)
[14:56:36] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:56:57] <sysmonk> woleium: first of all, why are you a source of backscatter?
[14:57:02] <sysmonk> what are those bounces ?
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[14:57:38] <woleium> well, initially we didn't have a good relay_recipients file (we do now)
[14:57:58] <woleium> we just had "relay_recipients=" in the config
[14:58:02] <woleium> :-$
[14:58:19] * woleium points at hei predecessor
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[15:00:00] <woleium> so the server sould accept any mail, and then bounce it if itfailed the transport domain check.
[15:02:24] <Dominian> well..
[15:02:41] <Dominian> you should accept everything and "refuse" to accept anything that doesn't match your relay_recipients..
[15:02:50] <sysmonk> exactly
[15:02:54] <Dominian> You don't want to accept then bounce.. that's backscatter...
[15:02:57] <Dominian> :)
[15:03:02] <woleium> k
[15:03:06] <woleium> i have done that now
[15:03:30] <Dominian> good
[15:03:34] * Dominian slaps woleium's hand
[15:03:36] <Dominian> bad admin!
[15:03:43] <woleium> so i am ok... I can go back to 550
[15:03:47] <Dominian> should
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[15:12:49] <woleium> I'm still confused... If i set the unknown_address_reject_code = 550, and someone emails nonexistant_address_1 with a from field of target_1, then postfix still sends a bounce, containing the orig message - which is backscatter, isn't it?
[15:13:06] * woleium is only simple
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[15:17:30] <tadeu_> guys, roundcube webmail looks quiet new. Have you used it ? What are the experiences ?
[15:18:06] <jduggan> apart from being unrelated to #postfix its not that new, and yes, it works very well
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[15:18:33] * woleium likes roundcube
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[15:19:41] * woleium doesn't want to anger the gods by talking ot, but i think roudcube is part of cpannel now, so i'd say it's production ready.
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[16:09:35] <Zitter> any hint for this warning: fatal: open database /etc/postfix/tls_per_site.db: No such file or directory
[16:09:35] <Zitter>  in /var/log/mail.log ? TIA
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[16:10:05] <lunaphyte_> !tell Zitter postmap
[16:10:20] * Zitter is waiting
[16:10:21] <lunaphyte_> ugh.
[16:10:23] <Zitter> lol
[16:10:27] <lunaphyte_> Zitter: man postmap.
[16:10:29] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: I haven't seen Zitter, I'll let you do the telling.
[16:10:37] <lunaphyte_> the bot is broken.
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[16:10:48] <Dominian> !postmap
[16:10:48] <knoba`> Dominian: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')
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[16:11:25] <Zitter> anyway, yes, i've done postmap tls_per_site
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[16:24:16] <lunaphyte_> f3ew: ping
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[16:25:02] <lunaphyte_> hparker: ping
[16:25:15] <hparker> lunaphyte: pong
[16:25:38] <lunaphyte_> hey.  what say you ban knoba for the moment?
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[16:25:59] <hparker> I'll be leaving shortly, not a mess I'd want to leave :P
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[16:26:18] <Ahrimanes> hi
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[16:26:44] <hparker> Though he does look to be having problems
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[16:27:01] <Ahrimanes> is there a way to apply a check_policy_service only to sasl authenticated clients?
[16:27:01] <lunaphyte_> signum can fix it when he's back online, he just needs to be banned for now so he stops flapping.
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[16:27:57] <hparker> lunaphyte_: When he comes after me I'll point him to you ;)
[16:28:04] <lunaphyte_> indeed :)
[16:28:13] <rebel_kid> glad u got it sorted out lunaphyte_ :D
[16:28:26] <lunaphyte_> rebel_kid: thanks.
[16:28:32] <hparker> Ahrimanes: I think you could add it to master.cf if you're using submission
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[16:29:38] <Ahrimanes> hparker, true, but it's not via submission, it's via "normal" smtp :(
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[16:30:30] <nemo> If I want to try adding DKIM to my domain, would dkim-milter be the best choice for postfix?
[16:30:31] <hparker> Ahrimanes: hrrmm... not sure on that.. Sorry
[16:31:28] <Ahrimanes> hparker, thx anyway :)
[16:31:59] <The_rogue_smiler> I don't mean to advertise but if anybody is interested in playing a game of uno, join #smilerhouse
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[16:33:17] <The_rogue_smiler> anybody?
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[16:34:08] <lunaphyte_> i was waiting for that :)
[16:34:15] <hparker> heh
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[16:34:38] <lunaphyte_> he showed up here moments after i referenced #postfix in #freenode.
[16:34:57] <nemo> I guess I should rephrase.  Does postfix have dkim built in somewhere now, so that it doesn't need the sendmail milter.
[16:35:28] <hparker> nemo: Hit the amavisd-new site, good article there on setting it up
[16:35:33] <lunaphyte_> nemo: no
[16:35:58] <nemo> 'k
[16:37:48] <nemo> hparker: ah. I see, if I added amavisd I could get dkim too
[16:37:54] <adj> hmm. i seem to be doing something wrong. i have a postfix setup as an outbound relay for another MTA.
[16:38:09] <adj> and it keeps sending from only one of the IP's its bound to
[16:39:00] <adj> http://rafb.net/p/VapkyB81.html
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[16:39:55] <adj> thats my master.cf. from watching the logs, i can see postfix accept the relay and send it, but the resulting email has .61 in the headers, and identifies itself as the host on that ip, and not example.com
[16:40:06] <adj> any pointers on where to look next?
[16:40:15] <jiraia> hi
[16:40:19] <jiraia> i settings postfix with auth Active Directory, the sasl working perfecty and have the parameter "mail_spool_directory=/var/spool/mail", the delivery display "http://rafb.net/p/PfnAwr58.html"
[16:40:30] <jiraia> i create the mailbox using the command cyradm
[16:40:36] <christel> lunaphyte: did someone sort you out with your bot problem earlier?
[16:40:39] <jiraia> someone has been there or have idea where you are missing?
[16:40:58] <lunaphyte_> christel: yes, thanks.
[16:41:02] <christel> ok cool :)
[16:41:24] <hparker> adj: your kernel routing would be my guess.  This comes up on the list quite often
[16:41:38] <hparker> christel: I did :P
[16:41:46] <adj> hparker: ok. i will check the lists
[16:41:52] <christel> hparker: ah cool :)
[16:42:00] <hparker> christel: You know how kick happy I am ;)
[16:42:02] <christel> haha
[16:42:24] <hparker> even had to kick one more since then :P
[16:42:24] <lunaphyte_> yeah, i tried to get him to not do it, but he wouldn't listen.  :p
[16:42:29] <hparker> lol
[16:42:47] <adj> they are virtual interfaces, and the source ip is .61. i had hoped postfix could handle this
[16:43:39] <hparker> It's up to the kernel, not the app
[16:45:08] <lunaphyte_> adj: see smtp_bind_address
[16:45:57] <adj> lunaphyte_: i need to relay outbound mail for a number of domains. afaik, smtp_bind_address binds postfix for all domains its handling
[16:46:13] <f3ew> adj, one IP per domain?
[16:46:15] <f3ew> ick
[16:46:19] <adj> yes
[16:46:54] <adj> 1 IP for *some* domains. a number of them are virtual and can route out of the parent company's IP as long as SPF is set properly
[16:46:56] <f3ew> create clones of smtp in master.cf, each one with a different -o smtp_bind_address and use a sender based transport
[16:47:27] <adj> f3ew: like this? http://rafb.net/p/VapkyB81.html
[16:47:52] <lunaphyte_> smtp, not smtpd.
[16:48:09] <lunaphyte_> smtpd is for receiving mail, not delivering it.
[16:48:28] <adj> oh. damn it =)
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[16:51:34] <The_rogue_smiler> meh?
[16:52:03] <f3ew> meh!
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[16:58:50] <shal3r> It`s not postfix-related question, but maybe someone there can help. Any recommendations for webmail for use on mobile devices (excepting MIMP)?
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[17:04:47] <adj> f3ew: if i clone the smtp line in master.cf and set the bind address there, how do i let postfix know which to use for a given domain?
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[17:05:32] <adj> i believe i could do this with multiple postfix instances, but i'm really hoping to avoid that
[17:05:33] <f3ew> sender based relayhost or something like that
[17:05:54] <f3ew> Multiple is the easiest setup, actually
[17:07:54] <adj> well, not in this case, unfortunately.
[17:08:14] <adj> i have zimbra set up to handle all internal mail processing, delivery, and auth
[17:09:10] <adj> we have a few different companies here, and each has its own IP block. i need to keep things seperate, so sending from user at comp-a dot com sends from the IP associated with comp-a, and so on
[17:09:34] <adj> its a bit rediculous, imho, but i'm just the admin
[17:09:54] <lunaphyte_> why would zimbra have anything to do with it?
[17:10:00] <f3ew> Multiple instances, seriously
[17:10:20] <adj> zimbra only lets me specify one outbound relay per machine, not per domain
[17:11:28] <lunaphyte_> if you're intent on managing postfix through zimbra, then you are better off asking zimbra for help.  postfix isn't written with zimbra in mind.
[17:11:55] <adj> ? i'm not managing postfix with zimbra
[17:12:01] <adj> zimbra just does my groupware
[17:12:28] <adj> its really out of the picture, except for the fact that i have 1 zimbra server and it can relay outbound mail to 1 relay host
[17:12:38] <adj> i'm simply trying to set up my relay host
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[17:18:33] <f3ew> add Postfix instances in front of Zimbra
[17:19:08] <adj> yep. thats what i've done. so anything coming from zimbra gets relayed to 127.0.0.1:2225
[17:19:49] <f3ew> I need to book hotels
[17:19:55] <adj> now how do i get postfix to bind to 1.2.3.4 if the from address is domain.com, and send from 2.3.4.5 if the from domain is example.com
[17:20:04] <adj> thats where i'm stuck :)
[17:20:20] <adj> bind for sending*
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[17:23:41] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sender_dependent_relayhost_maps in Zimbra
[17:24:00] <f3ew> All mail comes in via Zimbra, and is routed to a different Postfix instance
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[17:27:05] <Signum> lunaphyte_: My bad... I forgot that I already run the bot via "runit" and don't have to start it manually any more. :)
[17:28:10] <lunaphyte_> no worries.  i'm glad he's back.  typing everything myself is time consuming :)
[17:28:34] <Signum> :)
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[17:33:04] <adj> f3ew: interesting. thanks for the link. i'll try that out
[17:33:25] <adj> so its zimbra -> postfix -> postfix(0..n)
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[18:23:00] <eydaimon> Is it possible to prevent the prepending of Return-Path by postfix?  I'm writing a mail client, and I need to be able to set my own return-path.
[18:24:25] <lunaphyte_> sure, just set the envelope sender as desired
[18:25:44] <eydaimon> envelope sender?
[18:26:02] <lunaphyte_> yes.
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[18:27:02] <eydaimon> I'll give you a case scenario. I'm using perl's MIME::Lite library. I set Return-path to whatever mailaccount the user is sending the email from. When I examine the headers after it's been sent, return-path has been overwritten by "something". The only something left, and according to postfix, seems to be postfix itself.
[18:27:25] <eydaimon> Is envelope sender a header I can set?
[18:27:47] <eydaimon> hmm
[18:27:52] <lunaphyte_> envelop sender isn't a header, it's part of the envelope.
[18:28:03] <eydaimon> "he Return and Envelope parameters are used for DSN (Delivery Status Notification)."
[18:28:08] <eydaimon> yes, that looks good
[18:29:32] <lunaphyte_> heh, that seems a bit misleading.  as though those two values were added in support of dsn. :)  but yes, dsn happens to be one such mechanism that uses those values.
[18:38:57] <eydaimon> so the problem i was having is that the DSN wasn't being sent to the users account who was sending the mail
[18:39:28] <eydaimon> however, with the envelope set, the DSN is still being sent to the sending host
[18:40:29] <eydaimon> i.e. the postfix host is mailhost.com and my account is foo.com. the return-path gets set to eydaimon at mailhost dot com, and even though I set envelope to eydaimon at foo dot com, the DSN is still being delivered to eydaimon at mailhost dot com
[18:41:06] <eydaimon> afk
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[19:54:36] <eydaimon> any ideas?
[19:54:45] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: ?
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[19:58:24] <radius> hi all -- are there any docs supporting email attachments (pdf) with 1 email at 10mb locking the user mailbox?
[20:00:04] <radius> i have "message_size_limit = 20000000"
[20:02:31] <nemo> radius: you're using postfix for the mailbox too?
[20:02:36] <nemo> radius: not courier or something else?
[20:02:48] <radius> no
[20:03:00] <radius> and correct
[20:03:22] <nemo> you're using postfix for the mailbox too? no.  not courier or something else? correct.
[20:03:22] <radius> teapop to retrieve email but postfix for all
[20:03:29] <radius> correct
[20:03:42] <nemo> heh. that's contradictory :-p
[20:03:55] <nemo> but I infer you meant yes for first one
[20:04:18] <radius> sorry typed before you finished
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[20:05:30] <nemo> anyway. I'm not going to be any help then. my postfix doesn't include mailboxes
[20:05:39] <radius> np nemo
[20:06:36] <radius> first time i'm seeing this so was a little confused why it would lock the mailbox ... after i deleted the message it was fine
[20:08:39] <nemo> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/postfix-mail-server-limit-the-mailbox-size.html
[20:08:42] <nemo> I JFGI'd :-p
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[20:10:55] <nemo> radius: say, is postfix smart enough to share an attachment or e-mail between all recipients to keep file sizes down?
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[20:11:06] <nemo> some folks here at work have a stupid habit of using e-mail as a file system
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[20:11:53] <lunaphyte_> nemo: nope
[20:12:02] <nemo> oh well.
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[20:12:08] <nemo> really they should just stop being stupid
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[20:12:23] <lunaphyte_> Signum: knoba's having a fit again :)
[20:12:57] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: did you read the last thing I mentioned?
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[20:14:00] <lunaphyte_> eydaimon: show logs of that message being processed by postfix.
[20:14:13] <Signum> lunaphyte_: Hmmm....
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[20:15:47] <radius> nemo, that is another issue ... but this sales guys mailbox is pretty clean. was just the 1 msg over 9mb
[20:15:54] <radius> nemo, thanks for the link
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[20:18:55] <radius> nemo, for my own curiosity, what do what most ppl use as a distro for their postfix server? any ideas
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[20:22:46] <Fiver> hi, I'm trying to get postfix+dovecot+ldap working using http://www.linuxmail.info/postfix-dovecot-ldap-centos-5/
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[20:23:06] <jakobsg> What is the easiest way of triggering commands on incomming mails (per user)
[20:23:10] <jakobsg> ?
[20:23:18] <Fiver> everything seems ok until I go to test it via telnet, and then I get a 550  Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[20:23:47] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: http://pastie.org/292341
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[20:24:24] <Signum> Heck...
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[20:25:04] <jakobsg> I have tried .forward - but It stops the normal mail delivery - what I want is a passive hook so I can just react om certain mails
[20:25:24] <Fiver> if I do a postmap -q <user>@mydomain ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-users.cf it returns <user>/Maildir/ so it seems able to do the ldap query
[20:25:44] <Signum> jakobsg: Try procmail for local users.
[20:26:09] <jakobsg> can you be a little more specific :-)
[20:26:26] <Fiver> and I have virtual_mailbox_maps = ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-users.cf in main.cf
[20:27:05] <Signum> !tell jakobsg procmail
[20:27:55] <Signum> jakobsg: basically you way "|/path/to/procmail" in your ~/.forward and then create an appropriate ~/.procmailrc that handles the filtering (or launching actions)
[20:28:31] <jakobsg> Signum: ok - so procmail is a helper to filter mails?
[20:30:23] <Signum> jakobsg: Yes. For local users. (It doesn't work with virtual_*_domains)
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[20:32:15] <jakobsg> Signum: OK - I'll look into it
[20:32:18] <jakobsg> thanks
[20:32:29] <nemo> radius: using gentoo personally
[20:32:32] <stockholm> how can i remove mail headers caused by internal mail routing from outgoing mails?
[20:33:35] <Signum> stockholm: Try header_checks with an IGNORE action
[20:34:00] <stockholm> isnt that for incoming mail?
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[20:34:34] <Signum> stockholm: Postfix doesn't exactly have a notion of incoming versus outgoing usually. Perhaps that wouldn't work for locally generated mail. But if you relay through the Postfix server then this will surely work.
[20:35:02] <Signum> stockholm: Like you want to hide virus or content filter "Received:" lines while Postfix is an outgoing relay server in a DMZ or something like that.
[20:35:55] <stockholm> exactly, that is my kind of setup
[20:36:17] <Signum> stockholm: I thought so. DDs think alike. :)
[20:36:42] <stockholm> they do? :-) i had not noticed :-)
[20:37:01] <Signum> stockholm: OTOH... ;)
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[20:40:31] <lunaphyte_> eydaimon: you are submitting messages via sendmail(8)?  i'd strongly encourage you to submit them via smtp.
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[21:20:30] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: the perl lib I'm using is using Net::SMTP library, so I would say it's using smtp :)
[21:21:11] <lunaphyte_> hmm. you'd think that would be the case, but clearly postfix shows it being submitted via the sendmail binary.
[21:21:26] <eydaimon> ok, I guess I'll check what that library does
[21:22:36] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: how can you tell it's using sendmail vs smtp?
[21:23:36] <lunaphyte_> there are no entries from smtpd for that message id, and the first line in your pastebin shows a uid value
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[21:42:48] <natureshadow> hi out there :)
[21:42:51] <war9407> hii
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[21:48:41] <natureshadow> Well, probably this is a bit exotic, but let's try it ...
[21:48:52] <natureshadow> I have a mail domain that is handled by virtual maps
[21:49:21] <natureshadow> So mails to different localparts is routed to different local users
[21:49:29] <natureshadow> This is what I want to end up with
[21:49:50] <natureshadow> Unfortunately, I can not create the mailboxes right now so I route all mails to any localpart to a public mailbox
[21:50:16] <natureshadow> Some addresses were in use when the domain was handled by another server, so private mail is made public to other users right now
[21:50:36] <natureshadow> Is there a way of accepting mail but delaying delivery for a few days without the sender noticing?
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[21:58:10] <kylepike> now ... I know it says in the install...
[21:58:11] <kylepike> Please specify the prefix for installed file names. Specify this ONLY
[21:58:12] <kylepike> if you are building ready-to-install packages for distribution to other
[21:58:12] <kylepike> machines.
[21:58:35] <kylepike> when you do make install* ... would this be a bad thing to use this to put postfix under /opt ?
[21:58:50] <kylepike> seems to work fine in a test env...
[21:59:47] <victor-> How would I configure postfix to accept mail from 192.168.0.0/16 but only relay for 1 domain? (reject everything else, no local users)
[22:02:40] <natureshadow> victor-: my_networks=192.168.0.0/16
[22:03:13] <victor-> natureshadow: I got that part.. but it's allowing 192.168.0.0/16 clients to send to any address
[22:03:25] <victor-> This is a test server, so I only want to allow one test domain
[22:03:28] <natureshadow> victor-: yeah, hold on a moment ;)
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[22:04:38] <natureshadow> victor-: smtpd_client_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject
[22:05:30] <natureshadow> victor-: relay_domains = testdomain.tld
[22:06:18] <victor-> i got that. :)
[22:06:29] <natureshadow> So what does it do?
[22:06:43] <victor-> allows me to send to anyone
[22:08:12] <natureshadow> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unauth_destination
[22:08:38] <victor-> got that too
[22:09:02] <natureshadow> And that doesnt work?
[22:09:10] <victor-> nope. :\
[22:09:17] <natureshadow> Strange ...
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[22:14:33] <natureshadow> victor-: I'll check that, come back to you later ;)
[22:14:47] * natureshadow will return soon ...
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[22:20:09] <victor-> Hmm.. actually, I think it works.  I was testing from local machine and it was allowing everything through, but from another machine on the network it obeyed the destination restriction
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[22:51:58] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: would smtpd be running as a different process? how can I send a mail through smtpd to see what the log messeges should look like?
[22:52:19] <lunaphyte_> !tell eydaimon telnet
[22:53:03] <eydaimon> alright
[22:53:11] <lunaphyte_> i guess knoba's having some trouble.
[22:54:03] <lunaphyte_> anyway, it's pretty easy to use telnet to emulate an smtp conversation.  some quick google searching should reveal a good amount of clues.
[22:54:29] <eydaimon> heh, yeah, it's been forever since I sent a mail by telnetting to port 25
[22:55:16] <stockholm> i did that last week
[22:56:18] <eydaimon> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0821.txt (p15) helps :)
[23:00:01] <eydaimon> the log looks the same
[23:00:12] <eydaimon> oh
[23:00:18] <eydaimon> nm
[23:05:49] <eydaimon> lunaphyte_: so why do I loose control over the Return-path because I'm using sendmail?
[23:07:03] <lunaphyte_> see the man page for sendmail - specifically the -f argument.
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[23:09:27] <eydaimon> thanks
[23:09:30] <eydaimon> again :)
[23:10:39] <eydaimon> well, source code for NET::SMTP tells me it is using smtpd
[23:10:50] <eydaimon> wonder why it shows up different in the log file
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[23:41:18] <brad_mssw> I've got a postfix setup that I've been using for about 4 years.  We have multiple domains hosted and it's worked great.  Recently hit an issue where I can't send e-mail to one particular address, their bouncing it because "Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command)" ... never had this issue anywhere else
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[23:43:15] <brad_mssw> I think postfix is sending the hostname as the server in the RCPT TO, but I'm not sure how to tell (the hostname/domain of the server does differ from the From address of the message being sent)
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[23:46:27] <brad_mssw> great, X crapped out on me
[23:48:17] <brad_mssw> Oct 14 17:44:58 nameserver1 postfix/smtp[13333]: 047101148001: to=<someone at foo dot com>, relay=mail1.foo.com[XX.XXX.XXX.XX], delay=11, status=bounced (host mail1.foo.com[XX.XXX.XXX.XX] said: 554 <support at bar dot com>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[23:48:54] <brad_mssw> any ideas?
[23:51:34] <victor-> It sounds like your receiving server is requiring that bar.com be in its allowed list
[23:52:07] <brad_mssw> the other side appears to be a postfix server as well
[23:52:32] <brad_mssw> but it appears to be a mail server of a fairly large company ... surely it can't be that misconfigured
[23:52:45] <brad_mssw> I'm thinking they have sender address validation enabled on their side
[23:53:31] <victor-> hmm. maybe
[23:53:41] <victor-> does support at bar dot com exist?
[23:53:47] <brad_mssw> yes
[23:54:00] <brad_mssw> perhaps a DNS issue with bar.com's MX record?
[23:54:21] <victor-> try telnetting into mail1.foo.com and testing some emails with different MAIL FROM: fields
[23:56:26] <brad_mssw> good idea
[23:59:19] <brad_mssw> hmm, seems like whatever @bar.com doesn't work ... but if I try another domain on that box, it does work





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