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[00:35:04] <jacksafro> i am setting up postfix with fedora directory server (LDAP), and I am unable to find a proper objectClass (or is that a schema?) for my mail users in ldap.  where can find such a thing?
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[01:53:59] <jbAU> Hi all - I've had a server down for around 15 hours.  The backup mail servers have some mail which is coming in drips and drabs...  i recall there is some type of request you can make to request mail from the backup servers
[01:54:07] <jbAU> but i can't for the life of me remember the request commands
[01:57:54] <sysmonk> if you're not owning those servers then you can't
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[01:58:31] <jbAU> oh ok - i thought there was some type of SMTP request but I guess I was mistaken.  Thanks
[01:58:43] <sysmonk> if there is one - i don't know about it
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[02:02:54] <magyar> hello
[02:03:02] <jbAU> hello
[02:04:06] <magyar> I am using debian etch with postfix and amavis (clam and spam)  when I bind postfix to my main WAN ip, amavis doesn't work
[02:04:08] <magyar> help
[02:04:13] <magyar> thanks
[02:04:54] <xpoint> debian is default stupid :)
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[02:05:07] <jbAU> magyar: Is it possible to not bind to WAN and just bind to all ?
[02:05:37] <xpoint> can i have a postfinger output from you debian setup on pastebin ?
[02:05:38] <sysmonk> xpoint: that's not debian problem. it's all bout routing
[02:05:42] <magyar> jbAU: don't want to run postfix on 5 WAN ips
[02:05:45] <sysmonk> magyar: how do you send stuff to amavis?
[02:05:51] <sysmonk> magyar: do you have a dedicated transport for that?
[02:05:58] <sysmonk> i.e. content_filter=antispam:
[02:06:07] <sysmonk> err, antispam:127.0.0.:10024 or something
[02:06:37] <xpoint> sysmonk, master.cf dont change routeing in my ip setup
[02:06:42] <magyar> sysmonk: default configuration:  master.cf   port 10025  and amavis on port 10024
[02:07:01] <sysmonk> magyar: yes, but how do you _send_ to amavis, with content_filter ?
[02:07:18] <sysmonk> xpoint: using smtp_bind_ does
[02:07:40] <xpoint> sysmonk, thats what i like to see from magyar
[02:08:03] <xpoint> none of us have a crystal ball
[02:08:30] <sysmonk> some people do!
[02:08:31] <sysmonk> :)
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[02:08:46] <sysmonk> i've broke mine :(
[02:10:08] <xpoint> super then you dont :-)
[02:10:31] <sysmonk> i think f3ew has one
[02:10:55] <xpoint> lets wait then
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[02:11:34] <xpoint> one with penguins on the north pole ? :)
[02:12:32] <Zonei> Hi folks. I have a problem, I want to route all mail for root (local), to a virtual domain account setup on the server. I've put "root: something at mydomain dot com" into alias file, run newaliases and restarted postfix, but the mail for root is still being delivered locally.
[02:13:15] <xpoint> Zonei, postconf -d | grep alias_maps
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[02:13:26] <xpoint> did you change the right file ?
[02:14:53] <Zonei> xpoint: heh..... no, I was changing /etc/postfix/alias instead of /etc/aliases .... damned defaults, I thought they were set. meh. Thanks a bunch!
[02:15:07] <xpoint> np
[02:15:48] <Zonei> how can I test now, that the aliases work as expected?
[02:15:57] <sysmonk> try to send a mail?
[02:15:57] <sysmonk> ;)
[02:16:06] <xpoint> move the content from /etc/postfix/alias to /etc/aliases and postalias it
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[02:16:38] <xpoint> sysmonk, dont tell lies, "sendmail -bv root" :)
[02:17:28] <sysmonk> xpoint: sendmail -bv doesn't behave that good afair
[02:17:38] <sysmonk> i.e. on my system my root alias is alex+cron-reports at mydomain dot com
[02:17:44] <sysmonk> > sendmail -bv root
[02:17:44] <sysmonk> Mail Delivery Status Report will be mailed to <alex>.
[02:17:45] <xpoint> sysmonk, show me logs then :)
[02:18:02] <Zonei> hehehe, php -r <?php mail ('root', 'hello', 'world); done and done. Thanks. ;)
[02:18:29] <xpoint> Zonei, not as effitive as sendmail
[02:18:42] <Zonei> xpoint: but it uses sendmail
[02:19:01] <xpoint> maybe the diff shows later
[02:19:35] <xpoint> php mail() sooks on 8bit content
[02:20:17] <xpoint> mail headers must not be 8bit
[02:20:25] <Zonei> xpoint: anyways, I've tested it. Both with php's mail and sendmail -bv. Thanks, both received. :)
[02:20:37] <xpoint> super duper
[02:20:43] <magyar> sysmonk: not sure, default setup
[02:21:08] <xpoint> where is my penguins :)
[02:22:47] <magyar> sysmonk: in main.cf I use content filter
[02:22:48] <sysmonk> magyar: postconf content_filter
[02:23:27] <magyar> content_filter=amavisfeed:[127.0.0.1]:10024
[02:23:50] <sysmonk> then go to master.cf and look for amavisfeed
[02:23:55] <sysmonk> and give it an option
[02:23:56] <magyar> telnet from localhost works fine
[02:24:18] <magyar> sysmonk: blank?
[02:24:26] <sysmonk> don't forget the white space at the begining
[02:24:32] <sysmonk> yes, blank, or 127.0.0.1
[02:24:54] <sysmonk> both should work
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[02:29:38] <xpoint> sysmonk, are you sure your crystall ball is brokken ? :=)
[02:29:57] <sysmonk> yeah, and if it's not then i don't know where it is
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[02:31:34] <magyar> sysmonk: fudge, that was easy. I've been looking for a way to make this work for a few months/
[02:31:54] <sysmonk> magyar: next time sing a hare_krishna song
[02:32:02] <sysmonk> and i'll offer you help :P
[02:32:05] <sysmonk> !hare_krishna
[02:32:06] <knoba> sysmonk: "hare_krishna" : Rumor has it that Hare Krishna means hire a consultant in Hindi.
[02:32:59] <magyar> why you kick my dog?
[02:33:09] <sysmonk> ?
[02:33:16] <sysmonk> must be someone i have in the ignore list?
[02:33:16] <sysmonk> ;)
[02:33:19] * magyar with an indian accent
[02:34:53] <magyar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3uIe92HuE
[02:35:11] * sysmonk doesn't have flash
[02:36:08] <magyar> bahh
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[03:17:37] <rycar> how do I tell postfix to immediately deliver messages in /var/spool/postfix/active ?
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[03:26:07] <xpoint> rycar, postsuper -r ALL or postfix flush
[03:26:40] <xpoint> first one needs postfix reload olso
[03:26:49] <sysmonk> it doesn't..
[03:27:15] <sysmonk> and also, he said 'active', which is what postsuper -r does - moves the messages to active queue
[03:27:22] <sysmonk> so, that's not what he wants
[03:27:46] <sysmonk> rycar: mails in active queue should be delivered almost immediately, unless you have some bottleneck
[03:27:47] <xpoint> sorry i have no crystall ball :(
[03:30:34] <rycar> I think I have some bottleneck
[03:33:46] <hparker> Your logs will know
[03:36:11] <rycar> the -r ALL is exactly what I wanted
[03:36:57] <rycar> it's processing the mails now, I blocked port 25 so that it can catch up.  what do I look for in the logs to figure out where the bottleneck is?
[03:37:17] <rycar> I am running all kinds of spam filtering stuff and am sure one of them is the problem
[03:37:41] <rycar> also I want a pony
[03:40:10] <hparker> watch top while it's processing... Look for swapping...
[03:41:21] <rycar> how do I do that?  I am only using 92k of swap and the number isn't changing
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[03:53:29] <rycar> also why is my load average only 0.24, I want it to be higher
[03:55:12] <higuita> rycar: while [ true ] ; do echo increase load!! ; ( find / & ) ; done
[03:55:21] <higuita> this will increase your load !! :)
[03:56:32] 
[03:57:11] <higuita> are you sending or receiving? sending many emails fo different locations, or just one domain?
[03:57:36] <higuita> does the spam/virus filter works on your outgoing email too?
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[03:57:42] <rycar> incomming only
[03:58:01] <higuita> please give more info, as we cant read your mind nor have access to your server
[03:58:07] <rycar> mx record points to this server that filters spam and then forwards mails to the real mail server
[03:59:04] <rycar> i looked at it an hour ago and it had 19k messages sitting in the mailq, and it wasn't doing anything at all with the messages
[03:59:30] <higuita> so incoming have nothing to do with the active queue (even if you send all emails to a spam filter via smtp, at that point, the email is already in your server)
[03:59:58] <higuita> ok, so isnt the incoming, is the forward to the spam filter
[04:00:47] <higuita> what does the mailq output says? any error? does all emails are active (with the *) or some are deferred (without the *)
[04:00:58] <higuita> if they are deferred, check the logs to see why
[04:01:35] <higuita> if they are active, you are hitting a limit in forwarding to the spam filter
[04:02:01] <rycar> there are a ton with the *, but that might be because I did the 'postsuper -r ALL' command earlier
[04:02:10] <higuita> :)
[04:02:25] <rycar> a few of them don't have the *
[04:03:43] <higuita> those without the *, what they say (they should have a error/description of the problem below that line)
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[04:04:31] * vice-versa guesses no recipient validation is being performed
[04:04:48] <rycar> yeah I'm not doing that
[04:05:26] <rycar> the other server is running windows and I don't have an easy way to get a user list off of it
[04:05:57] <higuita> rycar: exchange?
[04:08:52] <rycar> IMail
[04:09:47] <higuita> does it use the AD?
[04:10:27] <rycar> no
[04:10:41] <higuita> ok, then forget it 8)
[04:10:54] <rycar> I could probably write a program to dump a userlist
[04:11:19] <higuita> its probably possible to extract the email list, but i dont know imail, so i have no idea
[04:11:36] <rycar> I can figure that part out, but once I extract a list what should I do with it
[04:13:29] <cmdln> what happens when multiple maps are specified for virutal_alias_maps? if a match is found in the first map listed does it continue to search the rest of the maps?
[04:13:48] <cmdln> if it does, then ive got a problem
[04:13:58] <vice-versa> rycar: you definitely have to do something, what's most likely happening is your final destination delivery is much slower than the corresponding input delivery rate
[04:14:17] <higuita> rycar: remember, if you have a problem, probably another guy already had it: http://www.tex-is.net/ImReg2Rec.html
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[04:15:05] <JDuke128> hi
[04:15:54] <rycar> even if I have this list what would it do?  most of my spam is being sent to legitimate email addresses
[04:16:31] <JDuke128> rycar , you doing spam ?
[04:16:41] <JDuke128> rycar , how many maillist do you have ?
[04:16:45] <higuita> cmdln: IIRC, it uses all maps and build the global map... so a user is defined in the first  map, it is set, if only the last one defines it, then it will be
[04:16:56] <rycar> maillist?
[04:17:00] <JDuke128> yes
[04:17:11] <higuita> if you have a email defined in both, the first should prevail (again, IIRC)
[04:17:26] <rycar> I'm not sending spam, I'm trying to block incomming spam
[04:17:31] <JDuke128> does someone wants me to exchange mails ?
[04:17:48] <JDuke128> i ve 5 million mail
[04:18:08] <higuita> JDuke128: go way, we dont like spammers!!
[04:18:15] <JDuke128> :D way
[04:18:22] * vice-versa drives a stake though JDuke128's heart
[04:18:25] <cmdln> JDuke128: im trying to cut back
[04:18:43] <JDuke128> its not bad man , we need to do advertisement
[04:19:01] <higuita> if the user didnt ask for it, its spam
[04:19:07] <rycar> I'm noticing that my server is only processing a couple messages a second
[04:19:23] <rycar> spam is rape basically
[04:19:30] <higuita> it will be blocked, domain and ip added to the spamcop and spamhaus
[04:19:34] <JDuke128> no its not
[04:19:55] <higuita> and statistical data add to spamassassin and other filters... give up,
[04:20:15] <JDuke128> how can we learn BCC and CC limit of 1 server ?
[04:20:20] <JDuke128> does someone know ?
[04:20:23] <cmdln> higuita: its cat and mouse, spamming is too profitable for them to stop
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[04:20:48] <cmdln> JDuke128: call their admin and ask
[04:20:51] <higuita> yes, i know, there are many suckers out there
[04:21:06] <rycar> it's a tax on stupidity
[04:21:13] <cmdln> JDuke128: if he wont tell you cross him off and move to the next admin on your list
[04:21:30] <higuita> JDuke128: hey, i have a dead mouse to sell, do you want it!?
[04:21:35] <cmdln> you will have a better delivery rate when you find an admin that tells you everything you want to know to deliver to all of his/her users
[04:21:40] <higuita> JDuke128: hey, i have a dead keyboard to sell, do you want it!?
[04:21:48] <higuita> JDuke128: hey, i have a dead monitor to sell, do you want it!?
[04:21:50] <rycar> JDuke128: I have some pills that can help you please your woman
[04:21:53] <higuita> JDuke128: hey, i have a dead tree to sell, do you want it!?
[04:22:01] <higuita> JDuke128: hey, i have a dead spammer to sell, do you want it!?
[04:22:23] <JDuke128> <rycar> , can u share ur domains with me ? i missed making DDoS in these days
[04:22:23] <cmdln> yeah
[04:22:30] <higuita> its anoying? yes, just like spam
[04:22:47] <JDuke128> 70k zombies suck ur server u want or u shut up ?
[04:22:58] <rycar> JDuke128: My domains are scientology.org
[04:23:04] <rycar> send all the messages there you want
[04:23:13] <higuita> JDuke128: i'm so afraid
[04:23:25] <stainer> thats my domain too
[04:23:30] <higuita> yes, i use that domain too
[04:23:33] <cmdln> JDuke128: my domain is ttnet.net.tr
[04:23:35] <cmdln> spam me
[04:23:42] <rycar> yeah please don't spam scientology.org, I don't get much spam there right now
[04:23:47] <stainer> my email is tom.cruise at scientology dot net
[04:23:56] <higuita> lol
[04:23:58] <cmdln> my address is abuse at ttnet dot net.tr, please send there first
[04:23:59] <stainer> tw spammers kick tr spammers ass
[04:24:02] <JDuke128> if u brave enough
[04:24:03] <rycar> tom: you shouldn't give away your address in the channel
[04:24:04] <higuita> tom!! is that you?!
[04:24:05] <JDuke128> give real
[04:24:06] <JDuke128> :)
[04:24:10] <JDuke128> =o)
[04:24:13] <stainer> tr spammers are lame
[04:24:14] <JDuke128> then suck my balls
[04:24:25] <rycar> my mail server IP is 127.0.0.1, do your worst
[04:24:26] <stainer> tw spammers know there shit
[04:24:53] <JDuke128> <stainer> tr spammers are lame , yes because they fuck ur as s much
[04:24:57] <JDuke128> i know ur problem
[04:25:01] <higuita> you have balls?! i read that russia mafia had cut then off!!
[04:25:11] <JDuke128> try making ur ass hole bigger solves problem
[04:25:39] <JDuke128> hehe
[04:25:43] <stainer> dont make me fly to whatever third world country you live in, drag you out of the internet cafe, take you to your hut, and then burn it down
[04:26:09] <rycar> I'll buy his sisters if you are selling them
[04:26:23] <stainer> the wemmins are for me
[04:26:31] <JDuke128> come Turkey
[04:26:32] <rycar> cmon man share
[04:26:32] <stainer> you can have his granny
[04:26:44] <JDuke128> i ll get u here go forest
[04:26:46] <stainer> Turkey? is it thanksgiving?
[04:26:55] <JDuke128> fuck with many men
[04:27:03] <stainer> you fuck men?
[04:27:07] <stainer> sad
[04:27:15] <rycar> JDuke128: I bet u r pretty cute, do you still pleasure men?
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[04:27:27] <stainer> men would be a step up from goats
[04:27:33] <cmdln> howbout house.gov not liking them too much send them some mail
[04:27:47] <higuita> hey, if he likes, no one should disagree... dont be a sexist
[04:27:51] <JDuke128> hahaha , u still didnt give ur domain ?
[04:28:09] <stainer> mine is is-a-geek.com
[04:28:13] <stainer> really
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[04:28:19] <cmdln> i told you ttnet.net.tr, house.gov
[04:28:34] <cmdln> i pay taxes so part of house.gov is mine
[04:28:47] <cmdln> \/say ignore JDuke128
[04:28:54] <stainer> I also own ayayayayayyaaaa.boom.crazy.ass
[04:28:56] <cmdln> /ignore JDuke128
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[04:35:19] <higuita> Corty hparker knoba waldi weasel f3ew Signum: sorry to nag, but we have a spammer in here:  <JDuke128> does someone wants me to exchange mails ?  <JDuke128> i ve 5 million mail   <JDuke128> 70k zombies suck ur server u want or u shut up ?
[04:36:29] <hparker> JDuke128: Oh?
[04:37:00] <vice-versa> bought time you slacker ;)
[04:37:33] <magyar> did I miss anything?
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[04:37:49] <rycar> +v
[04:38:17] <magyar> #postfix is getting spamed?
[04:38:24] * rycar removes channel operator status from ChanServ
[04:38:25] <stainer> he may have threatened some random goats too
[04:38:40] <stainer> not that there is anything wrong with that
[04:38:41] <magyar> isn't there a reject filter or dev/null that can be used
[04:38:41] <hparker> lol rycar
[04:38:43] <magyar> ?
[04:38:56] <rycar> stainer: as long as it wasn't same-sex goats
[04:39:08] <hparker> higuita: How long ago was that?
[04:39:15] <higuita> no, but a wise guy that want to do spam show up here asking to exchange spam lists
[04:39:24] <stainer> I am ok with that, not my thing, but to each his own
[04:39:35] <higuita> [03:18:33] <JDuke128> i ve 5 million mail                                                                                                x eric2
[04:39:53] <stainer> [21:28] <JDuke128> hahaha , u still didnt give ur domain ?
[04:39:56] <hparker> nice, it's 21:40 here :P
[04:40:02] <higuita> lol
[04:40:14] <higuita> ok, about 20 min ago
[04:40:37] <rycar> JDuke128: I'll trade lists with you, join me in channel #0,0
[04:40:45] <higuita> his last entry was 12 min ago  [03:28:36] <JDuke128> hahaha , u still didnt give ur domain ?
[04:41:19] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) does someone wants me to exchange mails ?
[04:41:19] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) i ve 5 million mail
[04:41:23] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) does someone wants me to exchange mails ?
[04:41:23] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) i ve 5 million mail
[04:41:26] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) does someone wants me to exchange mails ?
[04:41:26] <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) i ve 5 million mail
[04:41:32] <rycar> [19:42]  <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) does someone wants me to exchange mails ?
[04:41:32] <rycar> [19:42]  <stainer> [21:18] (JDuke128:#postfix) i ve 5 million mail
[04:41:34] <hparker> Interesting
[04:41:34] <higuita> :)
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[04:42:06] <rycar> it's a fair cop
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[04:42:51] <higuita> lol, stainer have done too much spam :)
[04:43:03] <higuita> thanks hparker
[04:43:11] <hparker> yw
[04:44:40] <vice-versa> spammerassassin++
[04:45:18] <hparker> lol
[04:45:22] <hparker> !hparker
[04:45:23] <knoba> hparker: "hparker" : is a shining example of chivalry and champaign (but still b0rk3n)
[04:45:25] <rycar> that's the next step
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[04:47:12] <vice-versa> rycar: how's that queue draining?
[04:47:25] <rycar> it's drained and I just opened port 25 agian
[04:47:32] <rycar> just finished a minute ago
[04:47:34] <hparker> vice-versa: That sounds a bit personal
[04:47:55] <vice-versa> lol
[04:48:42] <vice-versa> rycar: and the valid recipient list?
[04:49:27] <rycar> I got that in a flat file
[04:50:00] <rycar> haven't done anything with it yet
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[04:50:40] <stainer> did I accidently flood the channel?
[04:51:15] <hparker> jup
[04:51:26] * hparker reads scrollback and sees all the evidence
[04:51:42] * stainer ashamed
[04:51:48] <stainer> sorry
[04:52:14] <stainer> I'll try not to do that again
[04:53:07] <cmdln> ok, so I have 2 maps for virtual_alias_maps, both are sql backed. One i query a view in the database that does some munging on @domain1 and @domain2 to display a list of valid users, im thinking since it displays a full lhs and rhs the mail isnt accepted by postfix so i am not generating backscatter
[04:53:13] <cmdln> does that sound right?
[04:54:28] <cmdln> so if i do @domain1 @domain2 in my database and I have joe@domain2 the query to the view generates output of joe@domain1 joe@domain2
[04:54:47] <cmdln> and if i dont have user jane, the query returns nothing
[04:55:12] <cmdln> anybody following?
[04:58:49] <vice-versa> sort of, looks like you're creating a 1 to 1 virtual domain alias with recipient validation
[04:59:55] <cmdln> yeh that sounds about right
[05:00:12] <cmdln> i was trying to stop backscatter
[05:00:22] <cmdln> im under the impression that will do it
[05:00:50] <cmdln> any idea?
[05:02:07] <cmdln> so anyway my second map consists of addresses and destinations
[05:02:35] <vice-versa> not sure how that's going to help curtail backscatter, but I'll entertain your theory
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[05:03:33] <cmdln> Well i was under the impression that postfix recieves the entire mail when it matches @domain1 then attempts to deliver to @domain2 then trys to send the failure
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[05:04:07] <cmdln> if there is no valid @domain2 user then I get no match and it should reject it straight away shouldnt it?
[05:04:19] <cmdln> I very well may be wrong
[05:04:53] <vice-versa> ok, yeah yeah, @domain1 @domain2 will definitely do that
[05:05:12] <cmdln> cool so what im doing should help with that
[05:05:16] <vice-versa> you need the recipient validation for sure
[05:05:26] <vice-versa> yes
[05:05:32] <cmdln> ok good, glad i didnt waste time doing that
[05:05:52] <cmdln> now my second map i have normal forwards
[05:06:17] <cmdln> so i might have @domain2 user at gmail dot com
[05:06:27] <cmdln> errr user@domain2 user@gmail
[05:06:34] <cmdln> and that still works
[05:07:13] <cmdln> mmmm im gonna have to go look at my maps again
[05:07:21] <cmdln> im confusing myself
[05:07:27] <vice-versa> hehe
[05:07:37] <cmdln> no need to relay false information
[05:10:37] <cmdln> omg
[05:14:05] <cmdln> well i found a problem in my db
[05:14:13] <cmdln> but it wasnt causing a problem
[05:14:14] <cmdln> heh
[05:14:23] <cmdln> thought i had it sorted for a miunute
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[05:20:07] <cmdln> ok
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[05:20:41] <cmdln> so second map i have user2@domain2 user@gmail as a forward
[05:21:02] <cmdln> and it works if i send to user2@domain2 ... ie its forwarded to gmail
[05:21:23] <hacim> is there any point in setting dedicated transports with different concurrency/recipient limits now that postfix has feedback adjustments for these?
[05:22:00] <rycar> boobs
[05:22:29] <cmdln> user2 also has a virtual account but processing seems to stop at the virtual alias, ie its not delivered locally
[05:23:16] <cmdln> and if i send to user2@domain1 it properly maps to user2@domain2 then gets forwarded to gmail
[05:23:32] <cmdln> but why does it skip actually delivering to the virtual user?
[05:24:07] <cmdln> it will deliever if i add another forward in the forwards tabe to forward user2@domain2 user2@domain2
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[07:21:19] <googlah> !procmail
[07:21:19] <knoba> googlah: "procmail" : a frequently used mail filter for e.g. distributing mails to different folders (like for mailing lists). See http://www.procmail.org/
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[07:32:18] <phorce1> If anyone's awake, just a quick question that I'd rather not start a long discussion on the user list about. How hard would I slam my server if I temporarily changed smtpd_recipient_limit and shoved a message with about 5,000 bcc recipients down its throat?
[07:32:53] * phorce1 screwed up and created an ugly long list
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[07:36:02] <phorce1> nevermind, I'll just bust it down to 10 lists of 500
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[07:36:16] <zack23> I am getting this error in syslog: postfix/cleanup[14346]: warning: 3179136B20: write queue file: No space left on device but the drives are nowhere near full!
[07:39:39] <deface> permissions
[07:40:03] <deface> make sure postfix can write to the folder ... /var/spool/postfix ?
[07:44:59] <cmdln> phorce1: sounds like fun to try it :)
[07:45:34] <cmdln> I shove about 15000 msgs into one of my mail servers when we send out news letters
[07:45:37] <cmdln> it does fine
[07:46:01] <cmdln> that one is exim, but I cant imagine postfix queue would choke
[07:48:15] <Motoko-chan> cmdln, I sent 500K and it did fine.
[07:48:39] <Motoko-chan> Took about two days to send to the Postfix box for relaying out.
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[07:58:40] <phorce1> cmdln: I broke down and moved over to a windows box to use a piece of spammer software I grabbed years ago. I need something that works as easily in Linux for the once or twice a year I need to send a mass announcement to all customers.
[07:59:07] <phorce1> cmdln: The Winblows software sends them individually
[08:01:03] <phorce1> I suppose I could do it in bash reading a one-line-per-address file and using 'mail'
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[08:28:08] <rcsu> !parentdomain_matches_subdomain
[08:28:09] <knoba> rcsu: Error: "parentdomain_matches_subdomain" is not a valid command.
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[08:35:14] <Motoko-chan> GNU mailman?
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[08:41:43] <rcsu> nope, wrong parameter
[08:41:47] <rcsu> cu
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[08:42:05] <sysmonk> !parent_domain_matches_subdomain
[08:42:05] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "parent_domain_matches_subdomain" is not a valid command.
[08:42:15] <sysmonk> ah
[08:42:16] <sysmonk> !parent_domain_matches_subdomains
[08:42:16] <knoba> sysmonk: "parent_domain_matches_subdomains" : a configuration parameter in main.cf: What Postfix features match subdomains of domain.tld automatically, instead of requiring an explicit .domain.tld pattern. This is planned backwards compatibility: eventually, all Postfix features are expected to require explicit .domain.tld style patterns when you really want to match subdomains.
[08:42:20] <sysmonk> here it is :)
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[11:43:48] <Zeo80> Hello everybody... Big list of people here
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[11:45:57] <Zeo80> hi
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[12:14:03] <hendry> I get off messages in the queue. http://pastebin.com/m60a9feda how the hell did that get in there? It's only me on the system.
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[13:33:23] <spikyjt> I've setup Postfix+Dovecot and installed pysieved to handle sieve scripts. The sieve scripts are created successfully, but not applied by Dovecot. I have added cmusieve plugin and sieve script path to dovecot.conf, and dovecot/deliver to main.cf, but no joy. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
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[13:43:58] <shasta> spikyjt, any reason you're asking this on #postfix? ;)
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[13:45:35] <Roobarb> spikyjt: personally, I use dovecot-sieve
[13:45:54] <spikyjt> shasta, thanks for responding. Yes because dovecot is doing its thing when deliver is called manually, but not with real mail
[13:46:17] <spikyjt> which makes me think it is postfix config issue
[13:47:05] <spikyjt> Roobarb, do u mean the dovecot sieve plugin? that is what I am using, pysieved is just the sieve script management server
[13:47:37] <Roobarb> I have  mailbox_command = /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver
[13:48:13] <Roobarb> and in dovecot.conf, sieve = /var/sieve-scripts/%u.sieve    within a plugin {} block
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[13:48:25] <spikyjt> yeah I have the equiv (my path is /usr/lib/dovecot/deliver)
[13:48:33] <RG3rY> hi
[13:48:39] <spikyjt> same here
[13:48:46] <Roobarb> "mail_plugins = cmusieve" in protocol lda {}
[13:48:52] <Roobarb> and thats about it
[13:49:08] <RG3rY> i try to setup cyrus-sasl2 auth, through pam, with sasldb2 or pgsql
[13:49:21] <RG3rY> with shadow auth is working ok
[13:49:53] <spikyjt> yeah but the dovecot bit seems to be working, but postfix isnt calling it right or something
[13:50:13] <RG3rY> but i dont know why not working with sasldb2 or pgsql. somebody can help me, about the important steps
[13:50:21] <Roobarb> spikyjt: postfix just hands the message to the dovecot delivery program
[13:50:42] <Roobarb> spikyjt: have you compiled your sieve script(s)?
[13:50:53] <Roobarb> /usr/libexec/dovecot/sievec /var/sieve-scripts/postmaster.sieve /var/sieve-scripts/postmaster.sievec
[13:50:54] <Roobarb> for example
[13:51:57] <spikyjt> hmmm
[13:52:05] <spikyjt> didnt know I had to!
[13:52:31] <spikyjt> the scrpits I'm expecting to be used are in ~/.dovecot.sieve
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[13:53:15] <spikyjt> ~./dovecot.sievec gets created automatically
[13:53:23] <spikyjt> so I guess the answer is yees
[13:53:40] <Roobarb> http://wiki.dovecot.org/LDA/Sieve#head-34e9b4208be9fec9954ed07a035465d18fad5510
[13:53:43] <Roobarb> you may be right
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[14:02:19] <spikyjt> or I may be wrong
[14:02:43] <spikyjt> ~./dovecot.sievec only gets compiled when deliver is run manually
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[14:06:26] <Roobarb> spikyjt: do you see this in your mail logs:           status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver)
[14:06:31] <Roobarb> or whatever your binary is
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[14:11:14] <spikyjt> yes
[14:11:21] <spikyjt> but thanks for that
[14:11:37] <spikyjt> I now see permissions issue
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[14:12:12] <spikyjt> dovecot is run as root and can read ~/.dovecot.sieve (and hence compiled it)
[14:12:35] <spikyjt> but postfix is run as postfix and so presumably is deliver
[14:13:57] <spikyjt> thats tricky however, because I can't get ~/.dovecot.sieve to be postfix readable by default unless I manually create them for all users
[14:14:29] <spikyjt> and I'd rather not setuid deliver!!
[14:16:17] <spikyjt> aha its a pysieved issue - it can choose what user to save files as
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[14:20:04] <snap64> hi, how can I tell postfix to ignore mail send from its own domain to its own domain but send them to another mailserver (MX) instead. The server hosts a domain. Postfix is installed and send with sendmail status mails to support@mydomain. The receiving mail server for this domain is a second server (Exchange)... thx for your help
[14:20:47] <snap64> is it a postfix config or a sendmail config issue?
[14:21:57] <spikyjt> snap64, setup the other server as a relay, using /etc/postfix/transport
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[14:22:35] <spikyjt> and relayhost and transport_maps in main.cf
[14:23:09] <snap64> I think I have to explain more...
[14:23:26] <snap64> postfix runs on a root server hosting (mydomain)
[14:23:40] <snap64> from there sendmail sends a mail to support@mydomain
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[14:23:58] <snap64> the receiving mail server is an Exchange Server
[14:24:08] <snap64> MX entry is set on rootserver
[14:24:44] <snap64> every mail from outside is received by the Exchange server. Only mails send by the rootserver to mydomain are missing
[14:25:02] <spikyjt> yep thats what I thought
[14:25:16] <spikyjt> I has the same issue - except I wanted the reverse!
[14:25:21] <snap64> ok, then please try to explain details to a linux newbie ;-)
[14:26:15] <spikyjt> the rootserver is delivering mydomain mail to itself as, as far as it is concerned, it is the mailserver for mydomain
[14:26:32] <spikyjt> you need to tell it that you want all mail sent to another server
[14:26:37] <snap64> thats correct but exactly what I want to avoid
[14:26:46] <spikyjt> (the foul Exchange one!)
[14:26:56] <snap64> exactly
[14:26:56] <spikyjt> sorry I missed a bit then
[14:27:05] <spikyjt> what do you want to avoid?
[14:27:34] <snap64> that postfix accept mails for its domain
[14:27:47] <snap64> please go on - your correct
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[14:28:33] <spikyjt> (hang on just on a phone call!)
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[14:29:18] <hendry> I get off messages in the queue. http://pastebin.com/m60a9feda how the hell did that get in there? It's only me on the system.
[14:29:18] <snap64> found /etc/postfix/transport.db
[14:30:50] <spikyjt> ok dont edit transport.db
[14:31:00] <spikyjt> edit /etc/postfix/transport
[14:31:08] <spikyjt> it just needs:
[14:31:32] <snap64> this file doesn't exist
[14:31:45] <spikyjt> *  relay:[addressofexserver]:25
[14:31:50] <spikyjt> then create it!
[14:32:16] <spikyjt> when you've edited it run "postmap /etc/postfix/transport"
[14:32:33] <spikyjt> which will create transport.db
[14:33:28] <spikyjt> then add "relayhost = [addressofexserver]:26" and "transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport" to main.cf
[14:33:37] <spikyjt> then restart postfix
[14:33:45] <snap64> wait wait ... I  host two domains
[14:34:06] <snap64> so  I have two MX entries for two Exchange servers
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[14:34:12] <spikyjt> you might want to backup your current transport.db before changing it as I don't know the rest of ur config
[14:34:18] <spikyjt> ok
[14:34:32] <spikyjt> so instead of * blahblah in transport
[14:34:44] <spikyjt> replace * with the appropriate domain
[14:35:02] <spikyjt> and add another entry for the other server
[14:35:11] <snap64> I saw something like mydomain.com. (dot at the end) - or just mydomain.com?
[14:35:24] <snap64> server (IP or FQDN?)
[14:35:41] <spikyjt> FQDN but no need for ending .
[14:35:49] <spikyjt> (not on my server anyway!!)
[14:36:35] <spikyjt> if you have ssl or tls required by the exchange server, there is more to it than just this
[14:36:41] <snap64> ok done: mydomain.com relay:[mail.mydomain.com]:25
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[14:37:15] <spikyjt> for both domains?
[14:37:32] <snap64> I added to lines with different domains...
[14:37:37] <spikyjt> good
[14:37:42] <snap64> ok - now postmap...
[14:37:44] <spikyjt> backup that transport.db
[14:37:47] <spikyjt> then postmap
[14:37:47] <snap64> done
[14:38:08] <snap64> command not found...
[14:38:12] <snap64> postmap
[14:38:17] <spikyjt> hmmmm
[14:38:30] <spikyjt> what os/distro are u using?
[14:38:50] <snap64> I think there's SUSE linux installed
[14:38:56] <spikyjt> ah
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[14:39:27] <spikyjt> I'm afraid I went off SUSE a very long time ago due to its weird, no standard ways of doing things!
[14:39:36] <spikyjt> postmap may be in another package
[14:40:22] <spikyjt> not on my distro though...
[14:40:37] <snap64> what does postmap?
[14:40:42] <spikyjt> are you logged in as root?
[14:41:01] <snap64> yes - and searched with find -name postmap
[14:41:04] <snap64> nothing found
[14:41:08] <snap64> from root
[14:41:16] <spikyjt> postmap makes a hashed database from the plaintext transport file
[14:41:18] <spikyjt> and others
[14:41:30] <spikyjt> mine is in /usr/sbin/postmap
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[14:42:14] <spikyjt> try whereis postmap
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[14:42:24] <spikyjt> or find / -name postmap
[14:42:47] <spikyjt> find -name postmap will search from your current location, which is propably /root/
[14:43:11] <snap64> whereis and find have no results...
[14:43:17] <snap64> but there are db files...
[14:43:18] <spikyjt> bummer
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[14:43:45] <spikyjt> maybe suse geezers compiled it in to some bit of YaST
[14:43:54] <spikyjt> did you set it all up with YaST?
[14:44:07] <snap64> this is a root server hostet by 1&1
[14:44:14] <snap64> so I changed nothing yet
[14:44:19] <spikyjt> ah
[14:44:21] <spikyjt> I see
[14:44:36] <spikyjt> a dedicated server?
[14:44:55] <snap64> it's a full server preinstalled
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[14:45:19] <spikyjt> I mean its all yours? not a vserver?
[14:45:27] <spikyjt> you can install software etc?
[14:45:32] <snap64> not a vserver - yes a BIG one ;-)
[14:45:47] <snap64> yes I can but I don't really want to...
[14:46:05] <snap64> just try to configure and deploy some webapps...
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[14:46:32] <snap64> and the webapps send their status
[14:46:44] <snap64> and thats what's not working :-(
[14:46:46] <spikyjt> so what do you need postfix for?
[14:47:00] <snap64> sending(status) mail ...
[14:47:09] <spikyjt> just from your web apps?
[14:47:13] <spikyjt> php?
[14:47:24] <snap64> php / jsp / java
[14:47:33] <snap64> I use mail from php too
[14:47:44] <snap64> this failes
[14:47:56] <snap64> then I tried from the command line mail....
[14:47:58] <spikyjt> no local accounts - they're all done on the MS exchange server?
[14:47:59] <snap64> same result
[14:48:04] <snap64> yes
[14:48:06] <sysmonk> a 64 bit snap?
[14:48:07] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:48:21] <snap64> ?? Exchange?
[14:48:22] <spikyjt> then postfix is probably overkill
[14:48:23] <snap64> yes
[14:48:30] <snap64> I think so
[14:48:35] <spikyjt> just install ssmtp
[14:48:41] <jduggan> erm
[14:48:47] <jduggan> sendmail
[14:48:51] <jduggan> what a heap of ****
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[14:49:17] <spikyjt> it has a nice small config file that lets you use a relay host for all mail
[14:49:33] <spikyjt> jduggan, are you refering to ssmtp?
[14:49:39] <jduggan> no, sendmail
[14:49:52] <jduggan> i've just taken control of a company that use sendmail
[14:49:56] <snap64> if I type mail.... and the mail is send to outside domains, what is then installed? sendmail? I think a saw somethink like qmail?
[14:49:57] <spikyjt> sorry thought you were chiming in!
[14:49:58] <jduggan> and uh, its logs are not helpin
[14:50:03] <jduggan> :o
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[14:50:25] <spikyjt> ok sendmail is a bit of a generic term
[14:50:34] <snap64> may be I just have to STOP postfix ;-)
[14:50:45] <spikyjt> there is a piece of software called sendmail
[14:50:57] <spikyjt> but most other MTAs provide a sendmail replacement
[14:51:00] <sysmonk> /oftware/hit/ ?
[14:51:10] <sysmonk> er
[14:51:15] <sysmonk> s/oftware/hit/ ?
[14:51:16] * cpm replaces sendmail with sysmonk
[14:51:24] <sysmonk> ouch
[14:51:30] <sysmonk> that hurts.
[14:51:55] <snap64> again my question: if I type mail.... and the mail is send.... which tool sends it? Postfix?
[14:52:08] <spikyjt> that depends on ur os config
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[14:52:27] <cpm>  /bin/sysmonk
[14:52:46] <spikyjt> ideally, if you install ssmtp, it will automatically remove postfix as the two conflict
[14:52:49] <sysmonk> snap64: it uses 'sendmail'. postfix has a sendmail binary replacement. but if your mailwrapper isn't set up to use postfix's sendmail - it might be using the real sendmail binary
[14:53:08] <sysmonk> cpm: /sbin/sysmonk you mean?
[14:53:10] <snap64> no etc/sendmail or similiar found
[14:53:21] <spikyjt> then sendmail will call ssmtp which will automatically relay to ur other host
[14:54:00] <spikyjt> oops
[14:54:09] <spikyjt> "/usr/sbin/sendmail"
[14:55:10] <snap64> sendmail is a symb link to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail
[14:55:28] <sysmonk> ohmy
[14:55:39] <snap64> should I install ssmtp ? or try to config qmail?
[14:56:28] <snap64> can I config sendmail using a remote SMTP server?
[14:56:40] <snap64> instead of the local postfix?
[14:56:47] <spikyjt> I'd go with ssmtp for ease of config
[14:56:52] <spikyjt> (thats what ssmtp does)
[14:57:02] <spikyjt> I can't help you with qmail
[14:57:15] <snap64> I'll take a look in the wikis for ssmtp
[14:57:18] <spikyjt> I avoided it as I'd heard its a pig to config
[14:58:14] <spikyjt> good plan
[14:58:18] <spikyjt> good luck
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[15:00:05] <snap64> thx for helping - try to find binaries tar.gz of ssmtp ...
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[15:06:12] <spikyjt> use yum
[15:06:19] <spikyjt> it should be in your repos
[15:06:36] <spikyjt> ssmtp that is
[15:07:19] <spikyjt> try "yum update" "yum install ssmtp"
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[15:11:35] <snap64> yum is not know - I tried yast but ssmtp was not in the list of available software....
[15:11:52] <snap64> how can I get infos about my os?
[15:11:58] <snap64> version etc.?
[15:14:12] <cmdln_> cat /etc/*release
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[15:14:29] <cmdln_> should tell you the distro, well a lot of the time
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[15:15:31] <snap64> its suse 10 2 linux 2.6.24.7 -
[15:15:58] <cmdln_> now you can head over to novell and find documentation about suse
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[15:23:17] <snap64> ok - I think I give up with ssmtp - I found a version but there are a mass of dependencies which are not installed...
[15:23:26] <snap64> back to configuration ...
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[15:38:23] <sysmonk> !delays
[15:38:24] <knoba> sysmonk: "delays" : The format of the delays=a/b/c/d logging is as follows: a = time from message arrival to last active queue entry; b = time from last active queue entry to connection setup; # c = time in connection setup, including DNS, EHLO and TLS; d = time in message transmission
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[15:45:45] <spikyjt> snap64: I can't believe there are that many dependencies for ssmtp - there's not much to it
[15:46:00] <spikyjt> I so made the right decision to ditch suse ages ago
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[15:47:54] <adj> morning.
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[15:48:09] <spikyjt> afternoon!
[15:48:11] <adj> my server keeps rejecting messages with attachments larger than 50MB
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[15:48:29] <spikyjt> I dont blame it
[15:48:38] <adj> i dont either... haha
[15:48:41] <adj> # postconf  | grep size | tr '\n' ' '
[15:48:42] <adj> berkeley_db_create_buffer_size = 16777216 berkeley_db_read_buffer_size = 131072 body_checks_size_limit = 51200 bounce_size_limit = 50000 header_size_limit = 102400 mailbox_size_limit = 100000000 message_size_limit = 70000000
[15:48:53] <spikyjt> mine rejects them over 10MB - on purpose!
[15:49:02] <spikyjt> hmmm odd
[15:49:18] <adj> spikyjt: yeah. i wish, but my legal guys like to send huge attachments, and simply dont understand what fileshares are
[15:49:57] <spikyjt> force them to comply! evil users!!
[15:51:49] <adj> well, that would be the best solution, but it isnt feasible
[15:52:12] <adj> i can send a 41MB attachment, but not a 54MB attachment. what gives?
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[15:52:45] <IcyPolecat> hi does anyone know where is best to ask a general email question?
[15:55:22] <spikyjt> adj: idiot check - there is room in the mailbox? what happens if you crank message_size_limit up further? what does /var/log/mail.log say about it?
[15:57:32] <adj> ct  7 09:45:27 sb-3738-es postfix/smtpd[28583]: warning: CC84C18004: queue file size limit exceeded
[15:59:15] <adj> they only have 1.2M in their Maildir
[15:59:30] <adj> i have not tried upping the limit
[15:59:40] <spikyjt> odd
[15:59:41] <adj> 70M was high enough, imho. but i can check
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[16:00:12] <spikyjt> 70M too high in imho but clearly you can send a pretty large attachment
[16:00:42] <adj> spikyjt: yeah. i agree that 10M is a good practical limit, i just have extenuating circumstances right now
[16:01:21] <spikyjt> sure
[16:01:35] <spikyjt> there must be some external influence
[16:01:54] <spikyjt> does postfix have an absolute limit?
[16:02:00] <spikyjt> or even mail standards?
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[16:03:57] <adj> ok. i added a zero to mailbox and message size limit values and it went through
[16:04:23] <adj> the value must be in a unit i wasnt expecting. let me verify
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[16:05:54] <spikyjt> a little digging suggests that the mail will be BASE64 encoded, which will increase the file size significantly
[16:06:04] <adj> ahh.
[16:06:10] <adj> thats got to me it
[16:06:18] <adj> is it base64, or uuencoded?
[16:06:24] <spikyjt> not sure what the calculation would be though
[16:06:43] <spikyjt> base64 according to a mailing list I just read
[16:07:03] <spikyjt> and I seem to remember that from playing with webapp emails in the past
[16:09:40] <f3ew> *4/3
[16:10:46] <jelly> + 33% :-)
[16:11:36] <jelly> (ie. to allow a 10MB attachment, you want something like a 13.5-14MB body limit)
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[16:14:54] <adj> jelly: ahh. thanks
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[16:34:50] <IcyPolecat> hi there. One of our users is complaining that they are receiving email litered with the characters =3D any idea what could be causing this?
[16:36:54] <f3ew> the mail client isn't parsing quoted-printable encoding
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[16:39:08] <IcyPolecat> f3ew: ok but why would they appear in the body of the message? I understand them being needed in headers but the =3D decodes to an = sign ... and there wouldn't be that many = symbols in the examples provided
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[17:56:40] <telmich> hello
[17:57:05] <telmich> I am running two postfix servers with an almost identical (hostnames differ) configuration
[17:57:21] <telmich> on one system I can authenticate using tls+sasl on the other not
[17:58:06] <telmich> they are connected to the same postgresql-database; postfix has access to it; but I get: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure
[17:58:11] <telmich> anyone a good idea?
[18:02:34] <f3ew> logs?
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[18:05:04] <fzzzt> Is it bad if the MTA reports a name different from DNS? Like if the server at mx1.blah.com reports itself (in SMTP) as mx2.blah.com
[18:05:04] <telmich> https://nopaste.eof.name/845
[18:05:11] <telmich> f3ew: ^^
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[18:05:46] <telmich> f3ew: the client and the server is both postfix
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[18:08:31] <telmich> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:08:43] <telmich> there have been whitespaces at the end of smtpd.conf
[18:09:10] <telmich> *SHOT*
[18:10:23] <f3ew> heh
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[18:21:35] <brd> fzzzt: it isn't horrible.. mine don't.. but yeah, if you can they should..
[18:21:52] <fzzzt> i might just make postfix report mx.blah.com then
[18:22:18] <fzzzt> wont help much with error messages though
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[18:27:58] <telmich> for reference, for other dumb people like me: http://nico.schottelius.org/notizbuch-blog/archive/2008/10/07/solution-for-postfix-with-postgres-sasl-error-authentication-failed-authentication-failure/base_view
[18:28:24] <fzzzt> i love friendly urls ;)
[18:28:55] <xpoint> 42
[18:32:30] <xpoint> telmich,
[18:32:31] <xpoint> mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5 < how ?
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[18:32:55] <telmich> xpoint: via postgresql/cyrus
[18:33:00] <telmich> sorry, must go, bbl
[18:33:24] <xpoint> remind me l8tr
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[18:38:22] <jtsigma> when trying to expand ldap groups, as specified http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html, it shows only usage of 'groupofnames' type of ldap group which specify each 'member' entire DN: format.   Is it possible to use postfix to expand ldap group type of 'posixGroup', in which the member: field shows simply the username only 'joe.blow'?
[18:38:40] <jtsigma> i tried it and postfix complains: postmap: warning: dict_ldap_get_values[1]: search error 34: Invalid DN syntax
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[18:51:54] <mofino> jtsigma, LDAP is hell
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[18:57:15] <jtsigma> mofino: ya i know
[18:57:27] <jtsigma> but not as bad as NIS/NIS+
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[19:00:18] <mofino> NIS isn't bad
[19:00:26] <jtsigma> YES it is
[19:00:28] <mofino> LDAP is insanely overcomplicated
[19:00:28] <jtsigma> yp
[19:00:39] <mofino> NIS is partial insane, but not near as bad
[19:00:46] <mofino> i wouldn't use either...
[19:00:46] <jtsigma> well i can see how you'd think that.. but once you get your mind wrapped around it it's very straightforward
[19:00:46] <mofino> heh
[19:00:54] <mofino> yeah, for sure
[19:00:59] <jtsigma> i think the prob is that you go into it thinking it's a turn key solution when really it's a very open framework
[19:01:10] <mofino> just that initial 10 years of dedication to LDAP...
[19:01:11] <jtsigma> so you have to put a lot of thought into how the directory will be designed from the ground up
[19:01:19] <mofino> yeah
[19:01:39] <mofino> LDAP is nice for it's wide acceptance and use
[19:01:44] <jtsigma> but ya usually when jumping into ldap you envision it as a very straightfoward turn key way of just storing "account info"
[19:01:50] <jtsigma> oh boy you are in for surprise when u do :)
[19:01:51] <mofino> LDAP > NIS for sure
[19:01:57] <jtsigma> absolutely
[19:01:58] <mofino> yeah
[19:01:58] <jtsigma> i hate nIs
[19:01:59] <jtsigma> HATE
[19:02:01] <mofino> haha
[19:02:09] <jtsigma> i HATE nis+ even more
[19:02:11] <jtsigma> HAAAATE
[19:02:16] <mofino> you must use Sun
[19:02:26] <jtsigma> yes i was originally solaris guy
[19:02:34] <jtsigma> until sun fucked themselves up , i had to change careers
[19:02:43] <mofino> oh?
[19:02:49] <jtsigma> i'm still curious about kerberos tho may have to jump into that one of these days
[19:02:55] <mofino> solaris guys can't be running out of work...
[19:03:08] <jtsigma> well out here they are.  solaris is akin to novell netware
[19:03:12] <jtsigma> if u know what i mean.
[19:03:16] <mofino> aye
[19:03:20] <mofino> that's too bad
[19:03:27] <mofino> i guess in the telecom world solaris is still the standard
[19:03:38] <mofino> i suspect because of companies like cisco
[19:03:44] <jtsigma> is it ?  dang im surprised iw ould've guessed telecom would've been aix or something of that sort
[19:03:53] <jtsigma> very surprised in fact
[19:04:00] <jtsigma> solaris
[19:04:01] <mofino> cisco is drives all their software solutions on Sun
[19:04:07] <mofino> s/is//
[19:04:09] <jtsigma> solaris's new line of systems are basically dinosaurs
[19:04:20] <jtsigma> no shit?  i didn't even know cisco HAD software
[19:04:22] <mofino> aren't they multicore now?
[19:04:25] <mofino> yeah lots
[19:04:31] <mofino> mostly for VoIP
[19:04:36] <mofino> and telephony
[19:04:38] <jtsigma> oooooh i see.  that i wasn't aware of.
[19:04:43] <jtsigma> and that stuff doesn't run on windows?
[19:04:43] <mofino> softswitches and whatnot
[19:04:44] <jtsigma> or linux?
[19:04:47] <mofino> nope
[19:04:47] <mofino> sun
[19:04:51] <jtsigma> doh.
[19:04:55] <fzzzt> I thought N2 looked neat
[19:04:56] <jtsigma> bad move on cisco part imo
[19:05:08] <fzzzt> I thought Cisco used homegrown Linux
[19:05:09] <mofino> cisco has their own SS7 software suite
[19:05:13] <mofino> all driven on solaris
[19:05:20] <fzzzt> interesting
[19:05:22] <mofino> beats the compeition, driven on SCO!!!
[19:05:28] <brd> lol
[19:05:33] <jtsigma> who's the competition running on sco?
[19:05:37] <jtsigma> nortel ?
[19:05:38] <mofino> i don't remember
[19:05:40] <mofino> was a while back
[19:05:43] <mofino> no nortel is their own
[19:05:44] <jtsigma> ah i see
[19:05:47] <mofino> not sure what it runs on
[19:06:01] <jtsigma> is voip really taking off?  it seemed stagnant to me
[19:06:06] <mofino> yep
[19:06:10] <jtsigma> price savings didn't seem that amazing or is it
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[19:06:18] <mofino> most mid-small telecoms are doing it
[19:06:23] <jtsigma> interesting
[19:06:29] <mofino> well, i can't say most
[19:06:31] <mofino> i have no idea
[19:06:35] <mofino> but it appears that way
[19:06:56] <mofino> using a softswitch to pass voice instead of the old big iron hardware switches
[19:07:12] <jtsigma> but ya , the .com world (internet industry), solaris has gone the way of the dinosaur
[19:07:16] <jtsigma> it was hot in .com 1.0
[19:07:18] <mofino> yeah for sure
[19:07:20] <jtsigma> but we're almost to .com3.0 now
[19:07:24] <mofino> heh yeah
[19:07:26] <mofino> funny
[19:07:29] <mofino> web 3.0!
[19:07:29] <jtsigma> still waiting for .com2.0 to blow up
[19:07:35] <mofino> yeah, can't wait myself
[19:07:45] <jtsigma> it'll go bundled w/ wall st5.0
[19:07:50] <jtsigma> and greatdepression2.0
[19:07:53] <mofino> hehe
[19:07:55] <fzzzt> heh
[19:07:55] <mofino> indeed
[19:08:08] <jtsigma> cuil is a good example of that
[19:08:10] <jtsigma> CUIL!
[19:08:11] <jtsigma> goog killer!
[19:08:12] <mofino> haha
[19:08:17] <mofino> yep
[19:08:19] <jtsigma> even goog is killing itself. shares down to 350!
[19:08:21] <mofino> everything is a "killer"
[19:08:27] <mofino> that's the market
[19:08:31] <mofino> market is trashed
[19:08:31] <jtsigma> i remember 2 months or 3 months ago was over 750!
[19:08:35] <mofino> tech is overvalued anyway
[19:08:42] <jtsigma> agreed much
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[19:08:55] <jtsigma> vc sheep never learn their lesson
[19:08:57] <jtsigma> CUIL!
[19:08:58] <jtsigma> lmao
[19:09:00] <mofino> yeah, google's stock price is stupid
[19:09:14] <mofino> .com of the late 90s all over again
[19:09:14] <jtsigma> aapl under 50% of what it was just 2 weeks ago
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[19:09:16] <jtsigma> lol
[19:09:19] <mofino> "but they get 200 million views!!!!"
[19:09:28] <mofino> but do they sell anything aside from advertising?  no
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[19:09:38] <jtsigma> well to be honest, they DID have value and that was tied to real estate
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[19:09:50] <jtsigma> real estate was SOO flush with cash, they were flushing GOOG w/ advertisement $$s
[19:10:01] <mofino> heh
[19:10:06] <jtsigma> and since real estate has gone away, so has everything it supported, hence no advertising $$
[19:10:15] <mofino> advertising is a strange thing
[19:10:19] <jtsigma> so now goog is back to being just a search engine
[19:10:36] <mofino> couldn't understand how anyone would think that's a good, long lasting revenue source
[19:10:43] <jtsigma> me either
[19:11:09] <jtsigma> same reason why i couldn't understand why me, a lonely unix admin, was the only person who saw real estate explosion coming way back 2005
[19:11:19] <mofino> i guess if you have eye balls, but eventually those eye balls glaze over and stop reading your ads
[19:11:21] <jtsigma> people called me crazy for even suggesting a RECESSION nonetheless depression
[19:11:37] <mofino> haha
[19:11:41] <jtsigma> yet you have mba's who mull over graphs, #'s , stats days upon end and didn't see it
[19:11:46] <mofino> of course
[19:11:50] <mofino> they have pretty math models
[19:11:54] <jtsigma> even up to 4 motnhs ago i had huge arguments w/ my mba friends to get out of ANY FINANCE stock
[19:12:04] <mofino> and alan greenspan telling them it's cool to keep interest rates at 1% for 4 years
[19:12:07] <jtsigma> laughed at me.  scoffed!  wachovia is the SHIT!   Will last thorugh anything!
[19:12:11] <jtsigma> ya greenspan is a fuck
[19:12:11] <mofino> haha
[19:12:16] <jtsigma> shoot him and bernanke both
[19:12:21] <mofino> bernanke is funny
[19:12:21] <jtsigma> and take pauslon
[19:12:24] * cpm chuckles, , heh, Alan Greenspan, Mr. Bank Failure.
[19:12:32] <mofino> I GOT AN IDEA, let's dump massive amounts of liquid into the economy!
[19:12:35] <jtsigma> love how greenspan now pointing figures everyone else but him
[19:12:37] <mofino> the dollar will be fine i swear!
[19:12:44] <mofino> oh yeah
[19:12:46] <mofino> he's a hero now
[19:12:48] <mofino> in his own mind
[19:12:56] <cpm> hey, he's McCain's boy
[19:13:01] <mofino> doubt that
[19:13:05] <cpm> how so?
[19:13:05] <mofino> greenspan is his own man
[19:13:07] <jtsigma> i hate to say it.. i'm not racist or against any religion but the names keep showing a pattern to me
[19:13:14] <jtsigma> greenspan, bernanke, paulson
[19:13:17] <jtsigma> scary
[19:13:19] <mofino> most certainly not a pawn, at least not of mccain
[19:13:24] <mofino> indeed, very scary
[19:13:24] <cpm> in what sense? he was essentially made by Keating, and Reagan
[19:13:40] <jtsigma> cpn: reagan era was Volker
[19:13:49] <jtsigma> volker forced deflation hand.  that's what we needed
[19:14:00] <mofino> interesting
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[19:14:10] <jtsigma> it was painful but smart
[19:14:20] <mofino> yes, let the garbage go to the curb
[19:14:21] <jtsigma> greenspan unwinded allof that.  he's a fuck
[19:14:25] <mofino> don't put it back in the house
[19:14:48] <mofino> but derivatives aren't a time bomb!
[19:14:50] <mofino> we swear!
[19:14:53] <jtsigma> HA
[19:14:54] <mofino> anyway...
[19:15:03] <jtsigma> and now u and i pay for it
[19:15:07] <cpm> in 87, Reagan appointed Greenspan to replace Volker, as Greenspan at that time, no longer had a job, after he introduced the Lincoln S&L scam to McCain/others on behalf of Keating.
[19:15:17] <jtsigma> when was reagan out of fofice?
[19:15:19] <mofino> cpm, ahh ok
[19:15:25] <jtsigma> http://www.aztlan.net/wall_st_1929vs2008.jpg
[19:16:04] <jtsigma> was the 40th President of the United States (1981?1989
[19:16:15] <jtsigma> by the way , presidents do not choose who the head of fed is
[19:16:27] <jtsigma> the fed is its own entity, completely outside of the govt
[19:16:37] <jtsigma> not controlled by anyone except heads of banks such as jp morgan
[19:17:02] <mofino> eah doesn
[19:17:08] <mofino> yeah doesn't the fed board pick the head?
[19:17:13] <jtsigma> yup
[19:17:14] <mofino> heh
[19:17:20] <mofino> ahh the fed
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[19:17:27] <mofino> what a fucking scam
[19:17:33] <jtsigma> did u know the fed was CREATED by JP MORGAN?
[19:17:37] <jtsigma> i bet u didn't
[19:17:43] <mofino> david rocky?  no wai!
[19:17:47] <mofino> (no surprise)
[19:18:04] <mofino> or was morgan still alive back then
[19:18:06] <mofino> i guess he would be
[19:18:20] <mofino> late 1800s
[19:18:33] <jtsigma> well fed was created 9 years before great depression
[19:18:39] <mofino> 1913?
[19:18:48] <mofino> activated in the 20s?
[19:18:56] <jtsigma> so that would be... 1913
[19:19:17] <mofino> whatever the case, it's a lovely scam
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[19:19:28] <mofino> govts love it
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[19:19:35] <mofino> can print money at will it seems
[19:20:13] <jtsigma> fuck the fed
[19:21:23] <mofino> ahh well, everyone has one, a central bank that is
[19:21:29] <mofino> lets play inflation together!
[19:21:46] <jtsigma> did u read the article about iceland overnight collapse?
[19:21:55] <jtsigma> their 'dollar' is now rated just one tick above zimbabwe
[19:21:56] <mofino> yeah russia bailed them out
[19:22:04] <mofino> or is trying
[19:22:14] <mofino> i can't believe they nearly bankrupted themselves
[19:22:18] <Zborg> ?
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[19:22:25] * Zborg needs to read the news
[19:22:29] <jtsigma> well i can.  they export nothing but fish
[19:22:33] <Zborg> (hi)
[19:23:09] <jtsigma> yet almost every family of the poplution 300k drives range rover, benz or beamer
[19:23:22] <mofino> germany seems to one of the few bigger nations trying to reject these bailouts
[19:23:31] <jtsigma> that's where i'm moving to. that or canada
[19:23:32] <mofino> but i think they were forced recently
[19:24:12] <mofino> ahh well, </offtopic>
[19:24:15] <mofino> worktime!
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[19:24:46] <jtsigma> when trying to expand ldap groups, as specified http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html, it shows only usage of 'groupofnames' type of ldap group which specify each 'member' entire DN: format.   Is it possible to use postfix to expand ldap group type of 'posixGroup', in which the member: field shows simply the username only 'joe.blow'?
[19:24:53] <jtsigma> i tried it and postfix complains: postmap: warning: dict_ldap_get_values[1]: search error 34: Invalid DN syntax
[19:26:06] <deface> whats your search base
[19:26:17] <jtsigma> my search base is the o=company,c=US
[19:26:34] <jtsigma> btw, if i change my member: entries to state the full dn of the user, it works
[19:26:41] <jtsigma> but that's not posix compliant
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[19:35:06] <Ernest0x> hello
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[20:10:04] <Ernest0x> I'm trying to block some local senders from sending messages (they spam all the time)
[20:10:19] <Ernest0x> To do that I use in my main.cf:
[20:10:28] <Ernest0x> smtpd_sender_restrictions = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/spammers, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, permit
[20:10:38] <Ernest0x> and in /etc/postfix/spammers I have something like this:
[20:10:49] <Ernest0x> spammer_user1 at mydomain dot com REJECT My Text...
[20:10:49] <Ernest0x> spammer_user2 at mydomain dot com REJECT My Text...
[20:10:49] <Ernest0x> mydomain.com permit_mynetworks,permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
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[20:11:01] <Ernest0x> (of course I have reloaded postfix and postmaped spammers file)
[20:11:13] <Ernest0x> However, I still see "<from=spammer_user1 at mydomain dot com>" lines in my mail.log file. And there are no "My Text..." responses anywhere.
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[20:11:28] <Ernest0x> The accounts I'm trying to block from sending must have been compromized by spammers, or otherwise they would be rejected as unauthenticated (because of the third line in my spammers file). Right?
[20:11:51] <Ernest0x> The above setup works for my address, meaning that if I add "myusername at mydomain dot com REJECT My Text...", I cannot send messages and I get a "My Text..." response
[20:12:15] <Ernest0x> What's the difference with these spammers and are not rejected as senders? How can I stop these accounts from sending anything at all and send them an appropriate response? Am I missing something?
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[20:22:11] <mofino> don't know, do more testing
[20:22:12] <mofino> it works.
[20:26:11] <Ernest0x> any suggestion as to what (or how) to test more?
[20:26:38] <mofino> yes, setup an account with reject and send
[20:26:46] <mofino> if it doesn't work, you are doing it wrong
[20:27:36] <mofino> i suspect that syntax maybe wrong, but i'm sure.
[20:28:11] <Ernest0x> but it works with my address
[20:28:18] <mofino> then it's fine
[20:28:39] <Ernest0x> so what do these spammers do and are not rejected?
[20:29:39] <mofino> then you're doing it wrong, i don't know man
[20:30:28] <mofino> i didn't read your config, and i'm spending a wack of time thinking about it
[20:30:32] <mofino> but the feature works
[20:32:09] <jp-> is it possible with header_checks to validate the From: section of the header with a valid account on the mail system? spam is being sent to valid accounts but the From header that shows up in the client will be some random address like  xyzabc at domain dot com. I'm looking at the header checks man page and i don't see where you can do anything more than text matching.
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[20:32:33] <ceegee> hello
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[20:33:10] <mofino> jp-, read the docs, look for sender restrictions
[20:33:32] <mofino> regex match if you needed
[20:33:45] <mofino> all sorts of ways
[20:34:06] <jp-> sorry, meant the To field, not from.
[20:34:14] <mofino> ?
[20:34:22] <mofino> your recipient should be valid
[20:34:29] <mofino> do you have catchalls?
[20:34:52] <jp-> the mail will be delivered to sally at domain dot com which is a valid account, but in the header, the to field will be 'xyzabc at domain dot com'
[20:35:14] <jp-> as opposed to sally at domain dot com
[20:35:40] <mofino> so what
[20:35:52] <mofino> postfix doesn't care about the message content
[20:36:06] <mofino> To: is for display purposes only
[20:36:22] <mofino> and should not be used to any verification, as BCC will fuck you over
[20:36:29] <mofino> s/to/for/
[20:36:36] <jp-> i realize that, the point is the email is spam and i'm asking if i can validate the To field against _real_ accounts
[20:36:47] <jp-> ok, thanks.
[20:36:48] <mofino> ...
[20:37:00] <mofino> it's a very bad idea
[20:37:07] <mofino> unless you know what your doing
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[20:44:40] <edibrac2> i have mail sent "from" a certain user and domain that I'd like to relay through a different machine -- i was going down the route of using " sender_dependent_relayhost_maps " but i'm having problems with it. Now, I'm thinking maybe SASL authentication might work
[20:51:23] <mofino> sasl doesn't change anything
[20:55:51] <edibrac2> i mean, doing smtp auth to the box I want to relay to
[20:56:50] <mofino> i don't understand how that solves your sender specific relay issue
[20:57:19] <fzzzt> What about transport_maps?
[20:57:21] <mofino> unless you are saying you are going to use smtp auth to be sure of the sender..
[20:57:38] <fzzzt> oh nm
[20:57:39] <sysmonk> what abuott hem? public bus is the best transport!
[20:57:40] <sysmonk> ;)
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[22:49:37] <_mika> guys, is there anyone good with emails? (i need to know if is possible where to send bounced emails, i found the return-path header path, but is set by the last mail server, is there anything which can i set? i need to send a mail from an email addres (from and reply-to) but receive the bounces to another email). the problem is: the user X create a list L, some users subscribe to that list. After a while some of that emails are expired. X
[22:49:37] <_mika> send his email to all of his subscribers. Actually the from and the reply to address is the X email, so X would receive all the bounces. But that is not so nice for the user (expecially if the bounces are a lot, you know that for the user a lot would be equal like 5 or more :) ). So it would be better that all the bounces are sent to an email which can manage the bounces (using VERP)
[22:50:04] <mofino> ugh
[22:50:08] <mofino> wall of text SUCKS
[22:51:18] <mofino> my god, reading this is like trying to do a rubics cube with no fingers
[22:51:39] <brd> tl;dr
[22:51:58] <_mika> mofino: :)
[22:54:08] <shasta> isn't mailman good for that, mika?
[22:54:48] <_mika> shasta: nope, it miss some features that the app needs :(
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[23:02:49] <_mika> shasta: do you know if it's possible to do something like that?
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[23:11:09] <k-man__> what happens to emails if postgrey isn't running
[23:11:11] <k-man__> ?
[23:11:21] <k-man__> when they are delivered
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[23:35:36] <PodMan99> hey all ... any ideas whee i can get docs to make an mda for my postfix
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[23:42:51] <alvarezp> Hello everybody. I wonder if you can help me with something:
[23:43:46] <alvarezp> I have a mail server here that for historic reasons is an open-relay to our customers. However, sometimes, customer computers get infected and use us to send spam.
[23:44:40] <alvarezp> I have developed a quick script to detect illegitimate messages. However, it runs every 2 seconds, or I would hog up the CPU.
[23:44:46] <PodMan99> alvarezp some kind of max connections per second/minute for them computers? ... deffinatly outbound spam filter
[23:45:37] <alvarezp> The question is: is there a way to ask Postfix NOT to send incoming messages immediately but to have the message wait 10 seconds in the mail queue before the first attempt?
[23:46:25] <PodMan99> put messages on hold as they enter postfix
[23:46:42] <PodMan99> http://www.postfix.org/postsuper.1.html
[23:47:11] <PodMan99> it will require some work to tail log file and automaticy put the messages on hold as soon as an ID is generated
[23:48:41] <alvarezp> PodMan99, yeah, that's what the script uses, postsuper -h for the spam messages.
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[23:49:16] <alvarezp> but some of them get sent before between one iteration and another.
[23:49:23] <alvarezp> s/before//
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[23:49:49] <PodMan99> use file::tail to watch for ID's to be generated in maillog to suspend messages
[23:50:31] <PodMan99> other option is depending on how many customers are using that server change them to auth'd
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[23:53:25] <alvarezp> PodMan99, file::tail is a nice idea, but it will create a race-condition.
[23:55:46] <PodMan99> alvarezp in theory the checks will be so quick that yes race-condition will be suffereing very very small lag allowing removal of spam messages in seconds... or find way of threading it so its tailing the maillog and writing values elsewhere so another daemon can get there that quick?....
[23:56:01] <PodMan99> still has its drawbacks obviously.. however best i can think of
[23:56:05] <PodMan99> soz





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