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[01:10:08] <pbx> It's been a year or so since I've touched my Postfix setup, but: I want to add an alias to one of my virtual domains, and alias that will forward mail to three addresses -- two of which are external. My first attempt (using virtual_maps) resulted in "Relay access denied". Is there another mechanism I should be using (and reading the docs on :)?
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[01:29:50] <roe_> one of my users seems to have a bug in their .mailfilter  - any idea how to find out which one?
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[02:25:34] <rycar> I have a mail server with a lot of users, it's a piece of shit that runs on windows, and unfortunately I do not have the option to replace it.  The problem I am having is that it is getting more spam than it can handle.  Would it be possible to setup postfix so that it receives the messages first, filters out spam, and then forwards the non-spam to the old mail server?
[02:33:29] <sahil_> rycar: yes.
[02:33:42] <jduggan> rycar: very common scenario
[02:33:47] <sahil_> rycar: that is how lots of Exchange servers are setup today -- Postfix "gateways" stand in between the internet and the end server.
[02:33:49] <jduggan> quick google
[02:33:51] <jduggan> http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/mailrelay/
[02:52:25] <rycar> that is funny postfix being used to "fix" exchange
[02:53:10] <sahil_> it's not funny; it's intelligent.
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[03:12:44] <innerself> imap allows all mail to been seen on separate computers right? instead of only downloading unread/new mail like pop3?
[03:12:52] <innerself> or am I misunderstanding that?
[03:13:44] <sahil> innerself: IMAP has nothing to do with Postfix.  wrong chan. :P
[03:14:05] <sahil> but you appear to have a good initial understanding of the difference between POP3 and IMAP; see google for more detail.
[03:14:43] <innerself> thanks
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[03:16:01] <rycar> innerself: try #dovecot maybe?
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[03:51:38] <magyar> disable_vrfy_command
[03:52:09] <magyar> knoba: hi
[03:52:12] <magyar> hi
[03:52:36] <magyar> bot dead?
[03:53:19] <magyar> !disable_vrfy_command
[03:53:19] <knoba> magyar: "disable_vrfy_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Disable the SMTP VRFY command. This stops some techniques used to harvest email addresses.
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[06:31:18] <roe_> I'm not sure where this question lies.  We are using maildrop as our lda for postfix.  We have an alias defined that represents 6 users.  Whenever one person has a typo in their maildrop filter it creates a lot of duplicate email to all members of the alias.  I was wondering if there was any way to prevent this behavior
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[07:14:12] <rycar> I am trying to get my postfix server to forward all mail to another server for processing, how do I force it to not deliver to local users?
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[09:01:20] <JeffH> Is there a way to look at my postgrey database?
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[09:07:57] <vice-versa> JeffH: yes, you can use postfix's postmap to view the postgrey db
[09:08:15] <JeffH> thanks
[09:08:22] <vice-versa> postmap -s btree:/var/spool/postfix/postgrey/postgrey
[09:09:12] <vice-versa> that will dump the db to stdout
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[09:13:55] <JeffH> hm.. is there no way to age off old entries?
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[09:40:56] <rycar> YAY I GOT IT
[09:41:07] <rycar> now to spam filter
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[10:31:03] <Haris1> Hello people
[10:31:10] <Haris1> in case I'm using postfix+mysql setup
[10:31:29] <Haris1> do I need to restart postfix's daemon for postfix to know about newly added domains?
[10:32:13] <Roobarb> "postfix reload"
[10:38:16] <sysmonk> no you don't
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[11:46:45] <jeffery> I don't know if this is a postfix configuration issue.. I have fetchmail getting my mail and postfix setup to deliver mail to dovecot. I have also setup postfix with procmail to filter my emails. However the emails are getting written as "-rw------- 1 root mail"  and my mail client can't fetch the mail as dovecot can't read it. Does anyone know what I am missing?
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[12:07:27] <ultrav1olet> Help, my messages get lost! The remote SMTP server connected to my SMPT server, then I see these lines in my maillog:
[12:07:40] <ultrav1olet> Oct  3 11:25:21 ikar postfix/smtpd[8519]: 3C0A1248006: client=
[12:07:48] <ultrav1olet> Oct  3 11:25:21 ikar postfix/cleanup[6735]: 3C0A1248006: message-id=<
[12:07:55] <ultrav1olet> Oct  3 11:25:21 ikar postfix/cleanup[6735]: 3C0A1248006: warning: header Subject:
[12:08:25] <ultrav1olet> and nothing else, 3C0A1248006 doesn't appear anywhere else in the log :-(
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[12:23:46] <Mazon> is it correct to assume that FROM <my domain> is invalid for all hosts, but my own server ?
[12:25:31] <f3ew> no
[12:27:16] <Mazon> so I should allow other servers to assume my identity ?
[12:29:55] <Mazon> in my case, I have a - send link to friend - server connecting to my server and doing a FROM <me>; RCPT TO: <other>
[12:30:01] <Mazon> I just think thats wronge ?
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[13:53:47] <download123> hey .. can anybody tell me how i must grap the mail.log that i get all the count of all the emails that were send through out my system
[13:54:17] <sysmonk> is 'from' included in the 'through' ?
[13:56:05] <sysmonk> if yes, then ...
[13:56:05] <sysmonk> grep -cE "postfix/smtp\[.* relay=.* status=sent" /var/log/maillog
[13:56:07] <sysmonk> should work
[13:57:48] <sysmonk> ergh, you can ommit the relay=.*, but both should work
[13:58:14] <download123> yea that says 5
[13:58:27] <download123> i dont get it how can i be listed in a spammer list
[13:58:28] <download123> ?
[13:58:31] <download123> 5 mails
[13:58:40] <sysmonk> dynamic ip?
[13:59:20] <download123> no
[13:59:22] <download123> static
[14:00:16] <download123> in the past there was a problem with spam on this server (because it relayed all the mails to an external mailbox), but thats fixed as the log shows
[14:00:18] <sysmonk> when did you get listed ? what rbl are you in ?
[14:00:52] <download123> CBL Lookup Utility this mornin 8 o'clock
[14:01:12] <sysmonk> what rbl/cbl ?
[14:02:00] <download123> http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=213.239.211.232 <<-- isnt this a list
[14:02:28] <sysmonk> download123: that's what i've tried to ask- WHICH list
[14:02:32] <sysmonk> there are lots of them
[14:03:06] <sysmonk> download123: maybe it was a mail from a few days ago
[14:03:45] <download123> who can i find out witch list it is ?
[14:06:27] <sysmonk> download123: cbl.abuseat.org
[14:07:09] <download123> sysmonk thats the list in witch my ip is listed am i right?
[14:07:28] <sysmonk> didn't you just ask that....?
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[14:09:15] <download123> I asked because you asked ..  a little disaccord
[14:09:47] <sysmonk> you said you're blacklisted, i asked where, you gave a link, then you asked what black list is it, i answered
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[14:10:21] <download123> i thought CBL Lookup Utility  was the name of the list
[14:11:20] <download123> what ever .. I was listed in that list befor ( on the 1. October .. ) at that date it was right .. there was spam send by my server.. but now i thought i've fixed it and as the log sys it is fixed
[14:12:51] <download123> do you have any idea why i am listend again?
[14:17:35] <sysmonk> 10-06 15:03:50 < sysmonk> download123: maybe it was a mail from a few days ago
[14:18:11] <rycar> how do I see how many messages are queued up in postfix/spamassassin?
[14:18:13] <download123> so you think its okay if i simply click on delisting
[14:18:20] <rycar> I am wondering if my server is able to keep up with the incomming load
[14:18:34] <sysmonk> rycar: mailq ( or postqueue -p) for postfix
[14:18:40] <sysmonk> and there's no such thing as spamassassin queue afaik
[14:18:52] <rycar> thank you sysmonk
[14:19:04] <sysmonk> download123: sure
[14:19:27] <sysmonk> download123: unless it's not only a server, but also a router for your company, then maybe there are some virused clients behind it
[14:20:33] <download123> its only a server
[14:20:42] <rycar> sysmonk: are there any other fancy statistics I can look at?  For example can I see what percentage of incomming mail is spam?
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[14:22:52] <adnc> what does this logentry mean?  warning: 81.19.151.110: address not listed for hostname mon.itor.us
[14:23:45] <sysmonk> rycar: not really, but you could look into stuff like pflogsumm or mailgraph
[14:24:19] <sysmonk> adnc: it means that mo.itor.us doesn't point to 81.19.151.110, but the ip points to that host
[14:24:44] <adnc> sysmonk: is this something i need to take care?
[14:25:00] <sysmonk> adnc: nope, unless you're the owner of 81.19.151.110
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[14:26:23] <adnc> sysmonk: i use a service from mon.itor.us and i wonder if they try to send mails
[14:27:19] <download123> adnc possibly that the ip says it it host mon.itor.us but the dns entry tells somethink different
[14:27:39] <lunaphyte_> adnc: why do you wonder?
[14:27:53] <lunaphyte_> if you're looking at your logs, there should be no question.
[14:27:59] <adnc> download123: i just did try to look who has a mx record for mon.itor.us but it is not that ip
[14:28:08] <adnc> lunaphyte_: no, just for understanding it
[14:28:57] <download123> sysmonk how can i make sure that the mails send by system users get real sender adresses ( now a mail from root has root at localhost dot localdomain)
[14:29:11] <sysmonk> configure postfix correctly
[14:29:13] <sysmonk> !myorigin
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[14:29:14] <knoba> sysmonk: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[14:29:17] <sysmonk> download123: ^^
[14:29:57] <adnc> i see 81.19.151.110 is not a mx record for mon.itor.us thats why postfix makes this log
[14:30:12] <download123> adnc right :)
[14:30:15] <sysmonk> adnc: isn't that what i said?
[14:30:27] <adnc> sysmonk: sort of yes
[14:30:56] <adnc> sysmonk: thank you!
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[14:32:23] <download123> what the f... who enterd localhost.localdomain in /etc/mailname *arg*
[14:32:34] <lunaphyte_> me.
[14:33:04] <lunaphyte_> i set it that way on purpose.  don't go screwing around and changing it, or you'll break my rootkit.
[14:33:09] * download123 slaps lunaphyte_
[14:33:30] <lunaphyte_> just for that, i added you to zen.
[14:34:00] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: syntax failure, you can't add to zen, zen is a composite list
[14:34:05] <sysmonk> you must add to sbl, xbl or pbl
[14:34:06] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:35:32] <lunaphyte_> if you must know, i added him to the pbl, which effectively means i added him to zen ;)
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[14:37:59] <download123> how can i resend the mailq
[14:38:00] <download123> ?
[14:38:09] <lunaphyte_> man postfix
[14:38:48] <download123> flush ?
[14:39:04] <lunaphyte_> !tell download123 tias
[14:39:05] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[14:39:09] <lunaphyte_> murp
[14:39:15] <lunaphyte_> tias anyway.
[14:42:10] <sysmonk> ghm
[14:42:11] <sysmonk> http://echelog.matzon.dk/stats/postfix.html
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[14:42:15] <sysmonk> i'm on the first place. ouch
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[14:51:24] <wdp> Hello
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[14:52:52] <wdp> is there a tool with what i get the "sender" ip of an email?
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[14:56:05] <lunaphyte_> wdp: sure.  your eyes.
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[14:56:49] <wdp> lunaphyte, there's a sense behind "with a tool"
[14:56:58] <wdp> i know how to do it manually.
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[14:58:33] <lunaphyte_> then how exactly would you like to do it?
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[15:00:19] <wdp> lunaphyte, http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html#simple_filter <- i wrote something similar, now i just need the ip of the sender. so is their anything in postfix like a variable i could use, or is there any tool where i could give the mailheaders in, to get the ip, or.. someone got a bash snippet for me?
[15:00:55] <lunaphyte_> what's your goal?
[15:01:13] <wdp> doesn't matter. I just want the sender's ip.
[15:01:23] <wdp> answering questions is a hard thing, hm?
[15:01:36] <lunaphyte_> sigh
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[15:02:03] <lunaphyte_> fine.  if your goal "doesn't matter", then get the ip out of the log file after the fact.
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[15:02:49] <wdp> that'd be stupid. but i bet you haven't thought about it. See: using a content filter in postfix, that's parsing postfix's logfile is a bit...
[15:03:06] <lunaphyte_> why would someone coming here looking for help be so obstinate?  it seems counterproductive to me.
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[15:04:20] <sysmonk> wdp: depends WHERE you want it
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[15:04:34] <asn> Greetings. I'd like to pipe out mails that contain a given attachment name and a given sender's email in a script. How can I do that? Can header_checks do that?
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[15:05:20] <sysmonk> you can't mach multiple lines, so not really
[15:05:27] <sysmonk> match*
[15:05:45] <asn> well, can I only match the attachment's name, for example and if it matches a string move it to a given directory?
[15:05:52] <asn> or to a pipe
[15:06:27] <wdp> Because, if someone is asking for a help, and/or for a tool, and someone else is answering "with your eyes" it's also counterproductive. I think most guys in here know how to manually look into the headers of a mail and get the ip. Your next question "whats your goal" would go to "use this or this or this daemon, that's already done." but that's not what i want. i just want to get the ip out of a mail, either from postfix, or with some lines in bash, o
[15:06:27] <wdp> r with some tool what i could call from a bash script.
[15:06:47] <wdp> sysmonk, well, as i posted, i'd use something similar like the example here: http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html#simple_filter
[15:07:07] <wdp> filter    unix  -       n       n       -       10      pipe
[15:07:07] <wdp>     flags=Rq user=filter argv=/path/to/script -f ${sender} -- ${recipient}
[15:07:24] <sysmonk> asn: you could use a REDIRECT statment to redirect to a mailbox which pipes it somewhere
[15:07:37] <lunaphyte_> wdp: man 8 pipe
[15:07:48] <wdp> sysmonk, in fact i only need the ip. it's like a dnsbl check.
[15:08:05] <wdp> /path/to/file IP.IP.IP.IP
[15:08:05] <sysmonk> wdp: so it depends on the place where you use it
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[15:08:16] <wdp> it'll return an message what postfix should do with the mail.
[15:08:37] <lunaphyte_> wdp: more to the point, from the little you've offered, it sounds like a policy daemon would be more appropriate for such things.
[15:08:44] <sysmonk> if you want to use it in master.cf with a  pipe transport - then you can use the ${client_address}
[15:08:51] <wdp> lunaphyte, see. and that was the answer i didn't wanted. ;)
[15:08:53] <sysmonk> if you want to use it in policy scripts - there's another way
[15:08:59] <wdp> sysmonk, ty
[15:09:01] <wdp> ;-)
[15:09:13] <wdp> ${client_address} will do the job.
[15:09:16] <sysmonk> if you want to make the blacklisting and stuff i'd better do that with policy
[15:09:18] <lunaphyte_> wdp:  oh, you wanted to be spoon fed?
[15:09:27] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: and spoon too
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[15:10:54] <lunaphyte_> i literally point the person to exactly where to get what they're looking for, and the response is "i don't want to read that, i want you to read it for me and tell me the answer"...
[15:11:27] <wdp> lunaphyte, well. the answer was easy in this case. i asked how to get the idea. the question was "where" and then sysmonk explained how i could do it with the pipe transport.
[15:11:35] <wdp> lunaphyte, that was all what i wanted to know. where's your problem?
[15:11:51] <wdp> +ip
[15:11:55] <wdp> whatever.
[15:12:28] <lunaphyte_> what do you think man 8 pipe means?
[15:12:45] <wdp> lunaphyte, and i did, when u wrote it.
[15:13:09] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: a man ( person ) with 8 pipes?
[15:13:14] <cpm> man ate pipe, , you sickos
[15:13:20] <lunaphyte_> what wasn't the answer you wanted then?
[15:13:35] <wdp> <lunaphyte_> wdp: more to the point, from the little you've offered, it sounds like a policy daemon would be more appropriate for such things.
[15:13:42] <wdp> that wasn't the answer i wanted. "policy daemon"
[15:13:48] <wdp> everything else was just fine. ;)
[15:13:49] <lunaphyte_> why not?
[15:14:09] <wdp> because a policy daemon isn't helping in this special case. anyway. ty for your help guys.
[15:16:56] <wdp> sysmonk, is there some documentation, how to do the same in smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ? or is the variable working there, also?
[15:17:17] <wdp> didn't found it at the postfix documentation, well, thats at least why i'm here..
[15:17:43] <sysmonk> wdp: smtpd_client_restrictions
[15:17:48] <sysmonk> and anything later
[15:17:56] <sysmonk> you can use the check_client_access
[15:18:02] <sysmonk> anyway, i'm afk to look at our new office
[15:18:40] <wdp> ty
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[15:26:14] <roe_> I'm not sure where this question lies.  We are using maildrop as our lda for postfix.  We have an alias defined that represents 6 users.  Whenever one person has a typo in their maildrop filter it creates a lot of duplicate email to all members of the alias.  I was wondering if there was any way to prevent this behavior
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[15:36:10] <Zonei> Hi all. How do I redirect all local mail sent to root, to one of my virtual domains account? I've tried to set root: myaccount at mydomain dot com in aliases, but that does not seem to work.
[15:37:22] <Dominian> didy ou run newaliases?
[15:38:11] <Zonei> ouch.... I forgot, I only restarted postfix.
[15:39:28] <Zonei> speaking of which, where is the local mail delivery directory/file for root?
[15:40:59] <Zonei> ah, found it in /var/mail (wasn't there before something was sent to it). Thanks for your help, Dominian. :)
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[15:48:29] <Dominian> np Zonei
[15:48:40] <Dominian> Its easy to forget the easy stuff ;)
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[16:51:09] <cult_acamas> hi all. is postfix able to authenticate against something else than sasl?
[16:52:17] <cult_acamas> some password file?
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[16:54:30] <zaarg> yes
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[17:00:20] <cult_acamas> i was searching for a half an hour and all solutions i found were using sasl. using sasl+pam its also possible to tie in mysql etc. but i remember having a lot of trouble with sasl.
[17:00:49] <cult_acamas> zaarg: can you give me a hint, what the other method is?
[17:01:19] <cult_acamas> some keyword for google would be really helpful!
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[17:11:53] <lunaphyte_> cult_acamas: no
[17:12:10] <cult_acamas> :) damn
[17:12:15] <lunaphyte_> sasl is a mechanism, not a source of data.
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[17:13:02] <lunaphyte_> postfix uses sasl to authenticate against a source of authentication information, one of which, yes, can be a flat file.
[17:13:06] <cult_acamas> i know, and i am very uncomfortable with it. i hoped there is another "adapter" for authentification.
[17:13:26] <cult_acamas> so i guess i have to dig in again
[17:13:27] <Dominian> !sasl
[17:13:28] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[17:13:52] <cult_acamas> ok, thank you very much lunaphyte_
[17:14:04] <cult_acamas> Dominian too
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[17:15:39] <lunaphyte_> cult_acamas: if what you are *really* asking is if there is an alternative to cyrus sasl, then yes, there is.  dovecot also offers an sasl component that postfix can use.  many find it much less troublesome than cyrus' implementation.
[17:17:42] <cult_acamas> i stubled upon it already. using dovecot currently, maybe this is the solution. i check on it. thank you!
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[18:06:07] <Zelest> I've been told by my ISP that their mailserver talks SSL/TLS on port 465.. and according to my /etc/services, that's a ssmtp service.. I tried using relayhost = [smtp.isp.com]:465 but it seems to just timeout, waiting for the EHLO..
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[18:06:32] <Zelest> Anyone care to enlighten me what 465 is and if/how I can use it to securely relay mail with postfix.
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[18:12:31] <journeyman> hello folks
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[18:13:02] <orly0wl> so, i have another postfix 'bounce'
[18:13:05] <orly0wl> and yet, no evidence in logs
[18:13:13] <orly0wl> this time i have the copy of the 'bounced' message
[18:13:31] <orly0wl> i searched the time frame, the host, the email address, the error (RCPT, relay, etc), nothing
[18:13:50] <orly0wl> this keeps happening, and i don't believe it is just all these other mail servers misconfigured :)
[18:14:19] <orly0wl> so...i'm already at info log level.  i don't want to go to debug if that won't tell me much else
[18:14:30] <orly0wl> info and above I should say
[18:14:52] <orly0wl> if my server is bouncing these messages, a log of it is recorded
[18:15:33] <orly0wl> i know this, i know how to find it, but yet...i've received 4 complaints within a week from legitimate senders saying that for a period, my server was unreachable..getting the stupid relay error along the way
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[18:37:56] <mofino> orly0wl, all that can be done is you looking in the logs
[18:38:04] <orly0wl> dur
[18:38:08] <orly0wl> i've been looking :)
[18:38:15] <mofino> aside from that
[18:38:18] <mofino> no clue
[18:38:23] <orly0wl> i just ain't seeing evidence of a bounce to those senders
[18:38:24] <mofino> log the packets from that machine
[18:38:29] <orly0wl> jeebus
[18:38:39] <mofino> all you need is the packet flows (headers)
[18:38:50] <orly0wl> i have this particular message bounce header
[18:39:12] <orly0wl> in the logs i see a connection from smtpd, a queue is assigned, then connection is closed, that's it
[18:39:24] <orly0wl> no Relay reject, blah blah, no RCPT blah blah
[18:39:37] <mofino> what do you want the channel to do?
[18:39:57] <orly0wl> well, my question was really what level of logging i should tune to :)
[18:40:02] <mofino> more?
[18:40:07] <orly0wl> eh, debug useful?
[18:40:09] <mofino> if you think it's not enough, increase it?
[18:40:11] <orly0wl> i don't know what else it would tell me
[18:40:14] <mofino> what the hell do you think?
[18:40:23] <mofino> what is preventing you from trying this?
[18:40:24] <orly0wl> it could be just crap
[18:40:28] <mofino> did you try it?
[18:40:34] <orly0wl> i don't want to page thru mountains of logs for nothing
[18:40:41] <orly0wl> i'm in the process of trying actually
[18:40:43] <mofino> oh, so you'd rather someone else do it for you
[18:40:44] <mofino> i see.
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[18:45:37] <orly0wl> well debug is on now, just have to wait and see i guess
[18:45:53] <orly0wl> lemme ask this..
[18:46:18] <orly0wl> how would *someone else* troubleshoot the:  "I have a bounced message from your server" issue and you don't see the bounce in your logs, ??
[18:49:10] <vice-versa> request evidence or at the very least some pertinent details and review logs and or headers
[18:49:41] <orly0wl> i have evidence
[18:49:46] <orly0wl> and logs did not *log* it
[18:49:50] <orly0wl> so i have tuned to debug
[18:49:56] <orly0wl> and i'll just have to wait n' see for now
[18:52:31] <vice-versa> perhaps you're misinterpreting the provided evidence
[18:52:36] <orly0wl> perhaps
[18:52:49] <orly0wl> i'm willing to admit that, but i have a message
[18:53:24] <orly0wl> it says, in so many words:  Received <<< 554 5.7.1 <user@hostt>: Relay access denied  - Could not deliver mail to this user
[18:53:36] <orly0wl> now, admittedly, it is a vague message
[18:53:57] <orly0wl> so i figure it is a bounce, from us, for whatever reason
[18:54:16] <orly0wl> and i go to look...now, understanding i don't know *why* it bounced at the moment, i am just trying to see where this would be recorded in our logs
[18:54:41] <mofino> jesus man
[18:54:44] <orly0wl> so, greppin' logs left and right, looking in all the obvious places (queues, host names, ip's, time frame, email address, error messages), nothing
[18:55:51] <orly0wl> eh mofino ?
[18:56:10] <orly0wl> please, feel free to lambast me if it'll help me out
[18:56:28] <mofino> nothing will change
[18:56:36] <mofino> but telling the channel about it also does nothing
[18:56:45] <mofino> if you cannot find it, you cannot find it
[18:56:57] <orly0wl> right, and i'm taking it as my problem, not the channel's, don't worry :)
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[18:57:39] <orly0wl> but i was hoping that the collective wisdom of the chan might point me in the right direction (and it has)
[18:58:16] <mofino> it's not going to produce log entries
[18:58:25] <mofino> wisdom or not, nothing changes
[19:00:02] <orly0wl> like i said, i'll let the debug generate the gobs of logs to look at over the week, yay
[19:00:08] <orly0wl> and with that, i'm out
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[19:01:04] <vice-versa> good luck with that, cuz it aint gonna help
[19:01:19] <sysmonk> gh
[19:01:25] <sysmonk> i see it's a nice day today on #pistfox
[19:01:27] <sysmonk> er, #postfix
[19:01:46] <vice-versa> amateur hour
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[19:02:10] <sysmonk> profesionals
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[19:02:32] <mofino> vice-versa, you going to offer anything or just snide remarks?
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[19:02:48] <vice-versa> just snide remarks, why?
[19:03:02] <mofino> obviously if regular logged produced nothing, extended logging won't
[19:03:08] <mofino> logging*
[19:04:00] <vice-versa> right, hence my "good luck with that, cuz it aint gonna help" snide remark
[19:04:16] <mofino> fair enough
[19:04:41] <mofino> but at least he's covering his bases
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[19:04:54] <mofino> he did mention he saw some log entries, but they were incomplete
[19:05:00] <mofino> i wonder if he logs remote
[19:08:31] <vice-versa> I was actually in the middle commenting how what he offered didn't resemble a typical postfix 'Relay access denied;' smtp reply, but he bailed
[19:14:55] <mofino> anyone happen to know a method of testing an RBL?
[19:14:55] <seekwill> Or why he thought it was a bounce
[19:15:45] <seekwill> mofino: Google!
[19:15:46] <xpoint> mofino, dig 2.0.0.127.rbl.example.org
[19:16:12] <mofino> sorry, to be more specific, testing an smtp lookup
[19:16:33] <xpoint> what ?
[19:16:35] <mofino> i just need to make sure the RBL i've set on smtpd is working
[19:16:48] <mofino> sorry
[19:16:49] <mofino> hold on
[19:17:11] <mofino> smtpd_client_restrictions = reject_rbl_client ...
[19:17:18] <mofino> I want to confirm that's functioning
[19:17:22] <xpoint> postmap -q 127.0.0.2 hash:/etc/postfix/myrbl
[19:17:44] <mofino> hmm
[19:17:45] <sysmonk> ah, mofino is on my ignore list
[19:17:51] <sysmonk> another one bit the dust
[19:18:05] <seekwill> :)
[19:18:18] <mofino> thank god, sysmonk is stunned.
[19:18:32] <mofino> xpoint, not the same, but thanks
[19:18:33] <xpoint> sysmonk, why do you hit your own foots ?
[19:18:35] <vice-versa> seekwill: because someone sent him a ndr, he was in the channel the other day with this but didn't or wouldn't provide any viewable details
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[19:18:45] <seekwill> vice-versa: :)
[19:19:27] <mofino> xpoint, I will use this to test to ensure it's working at all, thanks again
[19:19:41] <xpoint> mofino, did you post postconf -n somewhere ?
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[19:20:13] <krondorl> Greetings.
[19:20:50] <xpoint> mofino, else seekwill and vice-versa cant help you :)
[19:21:05] <seekwill> can't/won't?
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[19:21:15] <xpoint> 42
[19:21:19] <seekwill> 71
[19:21:28] <xpoint> pi
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[19:22:41] <xpoint> irc as root
[19:23:30] <krondorl> We are running Postfix 2.5.5 and are having problems getting the "recipient_bcc" file to work with the following entry: "address at address dot com bcc1 at newadd dot com,bcc2@newadd.com,bcc3@newadd.com"..  I searched the web and found that this is the correct method of multiple BCC's but would like to know if that is true.
[19:24:26] <shasta> !tell krondorl recipient_bcc_maps
[19:24:28] <knoba> krondorl: -> "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[19:24:49] * shasta highlights the "(multiple results are not supported)" part
[19:25:05] <xpoint> krondorl, try postmap -q foo maptype:mapfile
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[19:25:22] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hello
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[19:25:33] <xpoint> world
[19:25:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hahaha
[19:25:53] <krondorl> postmap: fatal: unsupported dictionary type: maptype
[19:26:11] <xpoint> krondorl, postconf -m
[19:26:36] <krondorl> btree
[19:26:38] <krondorl> cidr
[19:26:40] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> when I try to send a email to an external host (like gmail, hotmail, etc) relaying over gmail, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m734a75e0
[19:26:40] <krondorl> environ
[19:26:42] <krondorl> hash
[19:26:43] <krondorl> mysql
[19:26:45] <shasta> sigh
[19:26:45] <krondorl> pcre
[19:26:46] <krondorl> proxy
[19:26:48] <krondorl> regexp
[19:26:50] <krondorl> static
[19:26:51] <krondorl> unix
[19:26:53] <shasta> krondorl, I already told you
[19:26:53] <xpoint> doh dont post it here
[19:26:56] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> http://pastebin.com/m43cdb6 < my main.cf
[19:27:05] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> http://pastebin.com/m6108bd2c < my master.cf
[19:27:08] <krondorl> oops sorry
[19:27:12] * vice-versa thinks he took the maptype: literally
[19:27:13] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> http://pastebin.com/m1bba4d4 < my generic
[19:27:33] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> can you guys please help me?
[19:27:49] <xpoint> send more dollers :)
[19:27:50] * shasta thinks he didn't read the MULTIPLE RESULTS ARE NOT SUPPORTED thing
[19:28:31] <xpoint> shasta, hmm like multiple alias is not supported in right hand side ? :)
[19:28:51] <shasta> sigh
[19:29:03] <shasta> read the
[19:29:06] <shasta> man 5 postconf
[19:29:16] <shasta> (freakin' enter key, sorry)
[19:29:24] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, problem in last pastebin is ?
[19:29:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> no one
[19:29:58] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> jsut showing the conf files
[19:30:01] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> the problem is in the first
[19:30:02] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
[19:30:19] <shasta> smtp_generic_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/generic; relay_domains = /etc/postfix/generic  ?!
[19:30:46] <krondorl> shasta: I saw that..  I also found that on sites but also find that it is supported , so I want to know which is the true one because the sites I found are supposed "genuine" sites.
[19:30:50] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> uh...
[19:30:53] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> one second
[19:31:12] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> yeah, I see it in a forum, I think
[19:31:27] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> what to put in relay_hosts?
[19:31:33] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> sorry
[19:31:34] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> domains*
[19:31:44] <shasta> krondorl, the Only True Source of Postfix Wisdom is the Postfix documentation
[19:32:05] <shasta> Kamus_H_Zwisch, why do you want to change the default value of $relay_domains in the first place?
[19:32:11] <shasta> !tell Kamus_H_Zwisch basic
[19:32:12] <knoba> Kamus_H_Zwisch: -> "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[19:32:19] <shasta> !tell Kamus_H_Zwisch standard
[19:32:20] <knoba> Kamus_H_Zwisch: -> "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[19:32:32] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> ty, I will read
[19:33:46] <shasta> also my favourite factoid
[19:33:49] <shasta> !tutorial
[19:33:49] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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[19:34:44] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, remove settings you are unsure if is correct or not, where is the wan ip ?, is the postfix installed behind a nat network ?, if yes you need to add proxy_interfaces=<wan-ip>
[19:35:17] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> no, it isn't
[19:35:23] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> and I have only this machine
[19:35:32] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> ...in my "network"*
[19:35:40] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, i prefer to have a postfinger output not just a config file shown
[19:36:04] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> is that a command? :S
[19:36:08] <xpoint> postfix runs on wan ip ?
[19:36:28] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, google postfinger and download
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[19:36:59] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> k
[19:37:03] <xpoint> show complete output from it on pastebin if more help is needed
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[19:39:58] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> xpoint: http://pastebin.com/m168c999a
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[19:41:50] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, 20 21 23 remove, if unsure why its changed
[19:42:34] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, where is you wan ip in line 30 ?
[19:42:35] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> k, let me restart
[19:43:37] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> xpoint: auto
[19:44:11] <xpoint> no remove line 30 if you want auto
[19:44:30] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> no, no
[19:44:35] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> it appears automatically
[19:44:39] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> I don't changed it
[19:44:44] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> didn't*
[19:44:45] <xpoint> please explain then
[19:44:56] <xpoint> remove it then
[19:45:38] <xpoint> any line that is defined in main.cf is non default crap by default
[19:46:14] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hmm
[19:46:15] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> done
[19:46:19] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> Oct  6 14:45:23 Anna postfix/smtp[6888]: 6DBE0BD026: to=<kamus-hadenes at bol dot com.br>, relay=mx.bol.com.br[200.221.29.128]:25, delay=23, delays=0.09/0.44/22/0.08, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host mx.bol.com.br[200.221.29.128] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [189.62.240.139] (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[19:46:24] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> that is the error now
[19:46:37] <xpoint> super
[19:46:40] <sysmonk> interesting nick :)
[19:46:52] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> I tried to send it locally, removing relayhost
[19:47:03] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> try over gmail again?
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[19:47:39] <xpoint> yes surre mx.bol.com.br is localhost :(
[19:47:46] <xpoint> :)
[19:47:49] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> hmm
[19:47:52] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> I mean direct
[19:47:59] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> as the http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#myorigin explains
[19:48:07] <bmeynell> what's that program that will monitor false logins? I get a TON of requests trying to login to dummy accounts
[19:48:15] <sysmonk> bmeynell: fail2ban
[19:48:21] <bmeynell> sysmonk: yes, that's it... thank you!
[19:48:26] <sysmonk> bmeynell: although there are lots of implementations, fail2ban is one of them.
[19:48:28] <xpoint> kiddies :)
[19:48:52] <xpoint> Kamus_H_Zwisch, relayhost is your isp mta
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[19:49:17] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> Oct  6 14:49:24 Anna postfix/smtp[7194]: setting up TLS connection to smtp.gmail.com[64.233.185.111]:587
[19:49:17] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> Oct  6 14:49:24 Anna postfix/smtp[7194]: certificate verification failed for smtp.gmail.com[64.233.185.111]:587: untrusted issuer /C=ZA/ST=Western Cape/L=Cape Town/O=Thawte Consulting cc/OU=Certification Services Division/CN=Thawte Premium Server CA/emailAddress=premium-server at thawte dot com
[19:49:17] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> Oct  6 14:49:25 Anna postfix/smtp[7194]: Untrusted TLS connection established to smtp.gmail.com[64.233.185.111]:587: TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5(128/128 bits)
[19:49:19] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[19:49:22] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> I can fix it now
[19:49:24] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> thank you guys
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[19:49:27] <sysmonk> Kamus_H_Zwisch: please try a pastebin next time
[19:49:27] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:49:32] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> sysmonk: sorry :)
[19:50:04] <xpoint> sysmonk, he dont have a life anyway :)
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[19:50:15] <sysmonk> who? Kamus_H_Zwisch ?
[19:50:22] <xpoint> all :)
[19:50:35] <Kamus_H_Zwisch> :D
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[19:56:55] <cult_acamas> In master.conf, there are variables like $sender, $user, $nexthop, $extension that can be used in commands. is there any list of these? i cant find any
[19:57:09] <bmeynell> hi again, what's that ubuntu tutorial written by the guy who hangs out here? I couldn't find it on google
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[20:01:25] <mofino> has anyone seen postfix duplicate messages?
[20:01:39] <mofino> i'm seeing postfix receive a message, show TWO from log lines, and delivery twice
[20:01:47] <mofino> the delivery line only runs once
[20:01:57] <mofino> yet two messages, identical, show up
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[20:03:43] <vice-versa> cult_acamas: pipe(8)
[20:03:53] <vice-versa> bmeynell: might be Signum's ISP-style debian Sarge or Etch tutorials
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[20:06:03] <sysmonk> vice-versa: as always. you're too slow !
[20:06:03] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:06:24] <vice-versa> heh?
[20:06:35] <sysmonk> i don't understand the guys who ask a question and run away from the channel before getting an answer
[20:06:45] <sysmonk> and the time frame between asking and runing away if less than 10 minutes..
[20:06:48] <vice-versa> ahh, missed his part
[20:07:15] * sysmonk made some tea
[20:08:41] <vice-versa> heh, kids these days have no patience
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[20:10:21] <sysmonk> yup
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[20:14:08] <JoaoCarneiro> hey guy's, anyone up?
[20:14:22] <mofino> found it, ... now i have to test's postfix's shutdown...
[20:14:30] <JoaoCarneiro> i'm searching for a nice exim vs postfix comparison, anyone knows a good one?
[20:15:15] <vice-versa> !mtacompare
[20:15:16] <knoba> vice-versa: "mtacompare" : MTA Comparison : http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison
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[20:15:31] <JoaoCarneiro> knoba: :)
[20:15:44] <JoaoCarneiro> what about security?
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[20:16:00] <JoaoCarneiro> is there any detailed review of both of them at hand?
[20:16:50] <JoaoCarneiro> a friend mentioned some rants from bernstein about storage security and had links
[20:17:10] <JoaoCarneiro> i even saw a couple of old posts on the issue
[20:22:34] <vice-versa> why mention djb in relation to an "exim vs postfix comparison" question?
[20:23:04] <edibrac> i have a postfix server set as a relay -- what I'd like to do is forward mail that has been relayed to it from a certain address, to another server. I was thinking I can do it with procmail,  but AFAIK, procmail requires local delivery?
[20:23:42] <cult_acamas> oh, thx vice-versa
[20:24:19] <sysmonk> vice-versa: because djb is qmail, and we're talking about postfix vs exim! isn't that related? :P
[20:25:43] <sysmonk> heh, i remembered some conference where a guy was talking about mail servers, he compared lots of mta/lda and stuff, and hi chose exim.
[20:26:16] <sysmonk> when i asked him why - he answered, that because in exim, you could check if a given from was 'From: <>' or 'From:<>'
[20:26:23] <sysmonk> (the whitespace)
[20:27:02] <sysmonk> that was mainly the only plus he had for exim
[20:28:43] <edibrac> what's the big deal with that?
[20:29:13] <edibrac> he was kidding?
[20:30:11] <sysmonk> no he wasn't
[20:30:47] <sysmonk> his point was that rfc's say that there should be a whitespace between (i didn't really look into it, so i don't know)
[20:31:07] <sysmonk> and that botnets don't put a whitespace, and he can block by that.
[20:33:45] <lunaphyte_> yikes.
[20:34:01] <lunaphyte_> sounds like someone going for obscurity points.
[20:34:52] <sysmonk> anyway, he didn't say anything useful at all
[20:35:00] <edibrac> who says the botnets won't adapt and starting including it
[20:35:39] <lunaphyte_> well, you can't really use that logic.  as a rule, that's exactly what they do, but you still employ things based on current behavior.
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[20:41:27] <Bejgli> is it a good idea to use safe.dnsbl.sorbs.net in policyd-weight?
[20:41:32] <Bejgli> it's not in the config by default
[20:44:12] <cos> anyone here using a fallback_relay for a cluster of postfix servers?
[20:44:42] <cos> if you are, I wonder, what do you do for fault tolerance?  for when the fallback relay freezes or crashes?
[20:45:29] <sysmonk> cos: i don't, but my first idea is to use a host with a few mx'es
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[20:45:49] <sysmonk> fallback_relay should look at mx'es
[20:46:00] <cos> ahhh, good point
[20:47:11] <cos> hmm, and what about balancing the load, without dedicating a load balancer to it?    if I have two MXes with the same priority, will fallback_relay use both?
[20:47:23] <cos> that actually might be in the docs   *goes to look*
[20:50:02] <sysmonk> cos: thats dns stuff
[20:50:03] <cos>  I was also looking for people's actual experiences with multiple fallback_relay hosts, not just "how *can* one do it?"
[20:50:08] <sysmonk> cos: use equal weight mx'es
[20:50:15] <sysmonk> and round-robin dns reponses
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[20:50:34] <cos> doing round robin DNS isn't as easy for me at this setup than just doing equal weight MXes
[20:50:53] <cos> which is why I'm trying to figure out how postfix will handle those
[20:51:15] <sysmonk> cos: round-robin dns is the default, atleast on bind/named
[20:51:31] <sysmonk> so, unless you have it specifically turned off - then it should work
[20:52:12] <cos> no, that's not the issue.  there are other complexities, related to the scripts that automatically construct hosts files from DNS data here.
[20:52:24] <cos> which I didn't write and don't want to have to get into rewriting at the moment
[20:52:40] <cos> so, only one A per node, for now, keeps things simpler.
[20:53:09] <sysmonk> cos: i'm not talking about A entries
[20:53:14] <sysmonk> and hosts file doesn't support mx entries
[20:53:29] <cos> oh, you mean round-robin for the MXes
[20:53:40] <sysmonk> yes
[20:53:51] <cos> some places do round-robin for the A's that each MX points to, so I thought you meant that
[20:54:00] <cos> (because we also were talking about equal-weight MXes)
[20:54:02] <cos> got it now
[20:54:21] <sysmonk> nah, i'm talking about round-robin equal weight mx records
[20:55:14] * cpm round robins sysmonk's weighting.
[20:55:45] <sysmonk> cpm: i'd want to load balance that
[20:55:53] <sysmonk> too much load right now :P
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[21:03:02] <ojentu01> lunaphyte: ping
[21:03:14] <lunaphyte_> hm?
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[21:08:35] <ojentu01> lunaphyte: remember the problem with amavis I asked before?
[21:08:54] <lunaphyte_> not at the moment.
[21:09:09] <ojentu01> ok.. so forget it
[21:09:14] <sysmonk> :)))
[21:09:46] <lunaphyte_> you'll have to remind me.
[21:10:23] <ojentu01> if you remeber it would worth to tell.. if not, it's ok.. :)
[21:11:12] <lunaphyte_> go ahead.  maybe your comment will remind me.
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[21:13:15] <ojentu01> i asked if you had seen problems with the new version for amavisd-new, 2.6.1
[21:13:31] <lunaphyte_> oh, yes.
[21:13:42] <ojentu01> forcing me to downgrade to version 2.5.2
[21:14:23] <ojentu01> today, after some investigation, i found that the problem was solved, even after the upgrade, after recompile lha
[21:14:58] <lunaphyte_> i'm trying to remember - what was i that was happening?
[21:15:03] <lunaphyte_> *it
[21:15:12] <ojentu01> and the downgrade just worked partially, with dozen of errors like     "amavisd[15658]: segfault at bf4c4fdc eip 0811b319 esp bf4c4fb0 error 6"
[21:16:55] <ojentu01> amavis was having problem with the delivery, seems to be a DBD-mysql problem... but it was the lha all the time..
[21:17:40] <sysmonk> lha?
[21:18:49] <ojentu01> Utility for creating and opening lzh archives
[21:19:25] <ojentu01> I really don't know why it's used... lhz is a compression algorith, isn't it?
[21:19:54] <sysmonk> yup. that's why i was asked if it 'lha?'
[21:20:04] <sysmonk> s/if it//
[21:20:21] <sysmonk> did it die on startup or on mail processing?
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[21:28:19] <ojentu01> no one has died, but amavis couldn't send the messages to it's respective transports, 'cause it couldn't talk with mysql
[21:28:45] <sysmonk> i reallly don't see where lha fits in this error :)
[21:28:57] <ojentu01> and so i thought  the problem was related with mysql, DBD-mysql in this case
[21:29:07] <sysmonk> btw the mysql syntax a bit changed between amavisd 2.5.2 and 2.6.x
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[21:29:31] <sysmonk> s/syntax/table structure/
[21:29:34] <ojentu01> well, today i searched dmesg for hd-related messages
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[21:29:51] <ojentu01> and found the problem with amavis i posted above
[21:30:27] <ojentu01> asking google for amavis segfault, then the lha suspect was there registered..
[21:31:17] <ojentu01> rightaway i recompiled lha, and the segfault messages was gone.. and my mail queue returns to its normal behavior..
[21:33:02] <mofino> anyone familiar with pipe(8) and stopping postfix?
[21:33:10] <mofino> is there a way to getting postfix to stop the children of pipes?
[21:33:17] <mofino> they end up on init
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[21:34:41] <mofino> perhaps it's this script, i'll investigate more
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[21:38:39] <mofino> is postfix stop supposed to wait for things to finish?
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[21:39:27] <mofino> seems that stop behaves like abort, for me
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[21:56:10] <fzzzt> The description of relayhost says "overrides non-local domains in recipient addresses". Does that mean the relayhost is used instead of the normal MX of the recip domain?
[21:56:29] <sysmonk> yes
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[22:00:57] <mofino> ahh bug fixed in 2.5
[22:00:59] <mofino> lovely.
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[22:10:42] <Mazon> should I allow my server to accept when external servers fake sending as me from my domain? (send link to friend type of action tries to send as the user you specify, despite being another server)
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[22:12:12] <Mazon> if that makes any sense ...
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[22:15:14] <fzzzt> Okay I'm getting "fatal: unknown service: smtp/tcp" but the services file is in the chroot and perms are ok, what els emight cause that?
[22:16:14] <sysmonk> nsswitch settings?
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[22:16:33] <fzzzt> i didnt copy that into the chroot
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[22:17:01] <fzzzt> er
[22:17:04] <fzzzt> ok it just went out
[22:17:06] <fzzzt> strange
[22:17:41] <fzzzt> oh no it didnt
[22:18:56] <fzzzt> warning: private/smtp socket: malformed response
[22:18:57] <fzzzt> hmmm
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[22:23:12] <cmdln> hello
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[22:24:50] <cmdln> when evaluating virtual_alias_maps after finding one map what happens? I have a virtual user that also has a forward. The forward is being completed but delievery is not happening to their virtual account. If I remove the forward it does.
[22:31:42] <higuita> how do you have the forward?
[22:39:27] <JoaoCarneiro> back
[22:39:31] <JoaoCarneiro> hey higuita
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[22:41:28] <sysmonk> cmdln: use user at domain dot com user at domain dot com,otheruser@otherdomain.com
[22:41:50] <Roppel> hi all, we are builing up a forum for blackhats, please join and help us: http://www.bhseo.de
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[22:44:05] <sysmonk> and where's my baseball bat when i need it?
[22:44:11] <sysmonk> damn, he's out ;/
[22:47:06] <higuita> JoaoCarneiro: ois!
[22:54:44] <vice-versa> hmm, a forum for asshats
[22:55:30] <higuita> someone that wants to learn what other do, to use it... a script kid for sure :)
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[23:00:53] <vice-versa> right, and that would be, white, grey, ... black
[23:00:56] <sysmonk> just a note - a k-lined one
[23:00:56] <sysmonk> :)
[23:01:07] <vice-versa> so calling it a blackhat forum pretty much sums it up, at least for me ;)
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[23:45:15] <sega01> can anyone recommend a good fingerd (or full finger suite) that supports IPv6?
[23:45:24] <mofino> google
[23:45:31] <sega01> without going through inetd, preferably
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[23:45:36] <zaarg> fingerip6d
[23:46:13] <sega01> oh
[23:46:14] <sega01> lol
[23:46:15] <sega01> sorry
[23:46:20] <sega01> i thought i was asking in #ipv4
[23:46:22] <sega01> *ipv6
[23:46:41] <sega01> channel number 9 on my irssi setup was #ipv6 before
[23:46:45] <zaarg> 8)
[23:46:46] <sega01> but they got reordered
[23:47:39] <sysmonk> /layout save
[23:47:40] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:48:01] <jduggan> nod
[23:52:20] <zaarg> (as an aside, wtf people still use finger?)
[23:52:31] <mofino> for the .plan i bet
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[23:55:04] <edibrac> this is possible right? send all mail through procmail?
[23:56:26] <edibrac> i mean, not locally delivered mail -- outbound mail





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