[00:08:34] <davidroderick> higuita: the ca.pem is already installed and there is already a hash link to it.  Have  I misunderstood you?
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[00:41:51] <Flyoc> hi
[00:43:07] <Flyoc> my folks and I recently discovered postfix is silently delivering some emails (which appear to be randomy selected) to the historic mailbox ( /var/mail/$user ) in spite of our configuration
[00:44:28] <vice-versa> silently?
[00:44:54] <Flyoc> vice-versa: nothing in /var/log/mail.*
[00:45:16] <Flyoc> I know from the headers of said mails that postfix processed them, and assigned them and ID
[00:46:29] <Flyoc> someone from another channel pointed out it may be due to a full FS
[00:46:35] <Flyoc> I'll dig that for the moment
[00:50:55] <vice-versa> Flyoc: could it be that as these were unanticipated deliveries that by the time someone noticed them the log history on them had been rotated out of existence?
[00:51:15] <Flyoc> vice-versa: nope, I just have one 3 days ago
[00:51:32] <vice-versa> interesting
[00:51:42] <Flyoc> vice-versa: however, the above "someone" doesnt show the rerouted mails in its logs too
[00:52:22] <Flyoc> given the mails in mailboxes all arrived in blocks of time, the FS full trail seems legit
[00:55:57] <vice-versa> Flyoc: it's plausible, is the fs free space exhausted or no?
[00:56:25] <Flyoc> vice-versa: maildir FS has been at some point, yeah
[00:56:38] <Flyoc> but not /var/
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[00:58:19] <WDC> Hello!
[00:58:29] <WDC> I am getting "Relay Access Denied" in Postfix.
[00:58:50] <WDC> How would I go about, not getting that?
[00:58:54] <vice-versa> !relay_denied
[00:58:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[00:59:48] <WDC> So how to I make it work?
[01:01:15] <WDC> eh?
[01:03:32] <vice-versa> Flyoc: hmm, if that's the case I would have expected to see the log entries with errors about mailbox deliverers
[01:04:07] <vice-versa> !tell WDC mynetworks
[01:04:07] <knoba> WDC: -> "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[01:04:08] <Flyoc> vice-versa: maybe postfix wants in that case to write the minimum vital information on the disk ?
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[01:06:36] <vice-versa> dunno, postfix uses syslog, so that would be it's responsibility imo
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[01:18:28] <`Orum> ah, I think I found my problem
[01:19:05] <`Orum> what does biff_notify do?
[01:22:44] <vice-versa> `Orum: where are you seeing it?
[01:22:49] <`Orum> oh wait, that's not related to my problem
[01:23:17] <`Orum> in my messages syslog
[01:23:57] <vice-versa> what's it saying exactly?
[01:24:20] <`Orum> just that it couldn't connect...apparently that only notifies users of a mail arriving
[01:24:35] <`Orum> doesn't explain why some of the emails that should be bouncing on my machine aren't
[01:24:43] <vice-versa> yeah, comsat messages
[01:25:29] <vice-versa> !maincf biff
[01:25:50] <`Orum> it's weird, because nothing is showing up in syslog related to postfix aside from that
[01:29:21] <vice-versa> `Orum: try using postlog to send a test message to your mail logs
[01:31:23] <vice-versa> `Orum: ... and show a recent biff_notify log entry
[01:31:39] <`Orum> oh I don't care about the biff thing
[01:32:10] <`Orum> I'll fix the logging then try and troubleshoot the bouncing
[01:34:40] <vice-versa> `Orum: neither do I ;) ...  was just wondering if it was something else that was sending those to the mail logs besides postfix
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[01:35:09] <`Orum> oh yeah, it was the kernel
[01:35:10] <vice-versa> most postfix/syslog issues seen here are resolved by restarting the syslog daemon
[01:35:24] <`Orum> biff was being blocked by the firewall
[01:35:35] <`Orum> hrm, I can try that
[01:35:56] <vice-versa> I had the sneaking suspicion it was something else :)
[01:36:14] <`Orum> what else?
[01:37:01] <vice-versa> ...that sending the biff messages to the mail logs
[01:37:16] <`Orum> right, what did you think was sending them?
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[01:38:38] <vice-versa> wan't sure that's why I asked to see, iirc procmail logs this too
[01:40:03] <vice-versa> `Orum: so did restarting syslog get the postfix logging sorted out?
[01:44:34] <`Orum> no, unfortunately
[01:47:36] <vice-versa> `Orum: what logger are you using?
[01:49:08] <`Orum> syslogd
[01:49:47] <`Orum> this is strange...
[01:50:13] <`Orum> even when I use logger to send a message w/ priority mail.notice, it doesn't show up...
[01:50:29] <`Orum> err, mail.info
[01:51:59] <vice-versa> are the facilities configured properly in syslog.conf
[01:52:13] <`Orum> they appear to be...
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[01:54:47] <vice-versa> `Orum: stop syslogd and confirm there are no spurious syslogd processes running, kill them if there are any
[01:56:24] <`Orum> yeah, I did
[02:02:38] <vice-versa> `Orum: pastebin the syslog.conf
[02:03:58] <`Orum> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/etc/syslog.conf?rev=1.28.16.1;content-type=text%2Fplain
[02:04:05] <`Orum> haven't touched it since it was installed
[02:05:42] <`Orum> I wonder if -s (secure) mode even ignores connections from localhost...but then why would it bother opening a socket?
[02:11:31] <`Orum> wow....I guess it doesn't accept any udp logging but still feels like opening a udp socket....for some reason
[02:15:33] <vice-versa> `Orum: is your postfix chrooted?
[02:15:49] <`Orum> not yet...
[02:16:06] <`Orum> will it use unix sockets?
[02:18:34] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#chroot_setup
[02:22:27] <edibrac> can i do a regex map on /etc/postfix/transport to set the relay host based on sender?
[02:23:41] <edibrac> basically i have this in transport: /^From: noreply at blah\ dot com/    [mail.blah.com]  ... i think postmap'd it and tested it out.. but mail still goes through our normal mail server
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[02:38:02] <vice-versa> edibrac: how is your transport map being implemented?
[02:38:49] <edibrac> i did it like this: sudo postmap -q - pcre:/etc/postfix/transport.db < /etc/postfix/transport
[02:40:23] <vice-versa> not what I mean, how are you telling postfix to use /etc/postfix/transport?
[02:42:37] <edibrac> ahhh... i don't see naything in main.cf
[02:44:20] <edibrac> that would be relay_transport = pcre:/etc/postfix/transport ?
[02:45:06] <`Orum> they bounce instantly if the domain doesn't have an MX record...
[02:45:15] <`Orum> but not at all if it doesn't
[02:46:45] <`Orum> err, if it does have an MX
[02:50:04] <`Orum> ahhh, I know why
[02:50:52] <edibrac> i see.. i need transport_maps = pcre:/etc/postfix/transport
[02:52:16] <`Orum> if a mail can't be relayed, what happens to it?
[02:52:27] <`Orum> does it sit in a queue forever?
[02:53:10] <vice-versa> edibrac: that's typically how one might use it, but you should read what it's for first
[02:53:12] <vice-versa> !maincf transport_maps
[02:54:20] <vice-versa> `Orum: goes to the deferred queue and delivery is retried for the default of 5 days
[02:54:51] <`Orum> eternally retrying?
[02:55:05] <edibrac> arrgh back the beginning. so transport is only related to the recipient? I guess I can't regex against the sender
[02:55:21] <vice-versa> edibrac: right
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[02:55:50] <edibrac> oh well. I tried. I'd rather mess with postfix than exchange
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[02:56:34] <`Orum> is there a way to flush the deferred queue?  or do I just rm -r defer/* and deferred/* ?
[02:57:24] <vice-versa> to you does flush = delete or 'try to send again'
[02:59:17] <`Orum> delete
[02:59:26] <vice-versa> with postfix, flushing a queue means, try to do with the queue contents what you would do normally, just try to do it right now!
[03:00:10] <vice-versa> postsuper -d <queueid> of ALL to delete
[03:00:16] <vice-versa> man postsuper
[03:00:22] <`Orum> ahhh thanks
[03:00:36] <vice-versa> s/of ALL/or ALL/
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[03:10:36] <vice-versa> edibrac: what's the issue and or what are you trying to accomplish?
[03:12:44] * vice-versa could make some inferences but decided otherwise
[03:16:25] <edibrac> well for certain email that is sent from say, user at asdf dot com - i'd like to have that email sent through a certain server (under my control) because it's IP has been set in the domain owner's SPF record
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[03:18:51] <edibrac> so i don't want to route everything to that server, like setting relayhost to it - but basically setting "relayhost per sender"
[03:19:21] <edibrac> or in this case, a relayhost to X for just that one user, and everyone else proceeds as normal
[03:24:38] <edibrac> can i do great evil with what I'm asking about?
[03:25:02] <edibrac> it's for a legit business - not a spam operation
[03:26:57] <vice-versa> edibrac: not ignoring you, I just had something come up that needs my undivided attention, I'll be back shortly
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[03:32:50] <edibrac> not a problem. i might try fallling back on netcat - so .. perl pipes output to netcat if the From field is correct
[03:38:21] <vice-versa> edibrac: reads to me like you should be using sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[03:38:26] <vice-versa> !maincf sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[03:38:43] <vice-versa> ohh, knoba's snappy tonight
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[04:00:07] <vice-versa> `Orum: did you get the logging sorted out?
[04:02:02] <`Orum> no
[04:02:13] <`Orum> but, I got the other problem sorted out
[04:02:20] <`Orum> so it's not an issue
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[04:14:17] <vice-versa> pffft logs, we don't need no stinking logs ;)
[04:14:35] * `Orum hates syslog
[04:15:46] <`Orum> it's refusing mail for domains it doesn't handle, and that was what needed to be fixed quickly
[04:16:06] <vice-versa> yeah I would say
[04:17:05] <vice-versa> that's how postfix does it by default, what was wrong that caused it to do otherwise?
[04:17:40] <`Orum> I didn't realize my networks automatically trusts all hosts on those network to relay mail through it
[04:19:58] <vice-versa> yeah, mynetworks_style = subnet, the default, will cause the default for mynetworks a tad too gracious
[04:20:32] <`Orum> agreed :|
[04:20:55] <vice-versa> mynetworks_style = host would be a better default imo
[04:21:38] <`Orum> well, I just wish it was more apparently exactly what that does
[04:22:10] <`Orum> I don't think it was in the comment in the config, but after hunting around on the web I found the "out of date" postfix help which detailed exactly what it did
[04:22:10] <vice-versa> mynetworks_style or mynetworks?
[04:22:19] <`Orum> mynetworks
[04:22:48] <vice-versa> !maincf mynetworks
[04:23:03] <`Orum> ah, there's the up to date page on it
[04:23:15] <vice-versa> first line, The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that have more privileges than "strangers". ;)
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[04:23:38] <`Orum> right, but only on the next line does it explain what :)
[04:23:59] <vice-versa> bastards ;)
[04:24:39] <vice-versa> one line should be enough for anyone
[04:25:07] <vice-versa> wait, maybe that's cocaine
[04:25:31] <`Orum> hah
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[04:26:41] <vice-versa> wb folks
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[04:30:01] <vice-versa> `Orum: so I guess what happened to you was someone or something on your subnet found your gracious defaults and exploited them?
[04:33:53] <`Orum> I misconfigured my email server :)
[04:33:58] <`Orum> and I boke it :)
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[04:47:54] <Toerkeium> hello guys
[04:49:05] <Toerkeium> does anyone know what's the best/known/common/easy way to keep your customers mailboxes deleted after they are terminated?
[04:49:28] <Toerkeium> I mean, do you guys keep a script which removes folders for deleted customers?
[04:49:39] <Toerkeium> or is there a more elegant way someone uses?
[04:56:01] <vice-versa> make the mailbox /dev/null
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[05:14:04] <hparker> don't accept mail for them?
[05:15:00] <vice-versa> heh, you and your logical solutions
[05:15:12] <hparker> lol
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[05:20:51] <higuita> Toerkeium if you deleted then, it should never be created again... make sure that emails for that user are bouncing
[05:21:45] <Toerkeium> yeah well.. but I was referring more to the mail already in mailbox
[05:22:02] <Toerkeium> the access denied part is easy
[05:22:18] <Toerkeium> I just want to keep my hd healthy
[05:23:29] <vice-versa> guess that would depend on the terms of service
[05:24:07] <Toerkeium> meaning?
[05:24:37] <Toerkeium> someone of you keep a mail server for some hundred of domains?
[05:29:30] <vice-versa> meaning what happens to mail that was not retrieved prior to account termination
[05:30:22] <vice-versa> ...as outline in the service agreement
[05:30:56] <Toerkeium> ahh
[05:31:04] <Toerkeium> hmm
[05:31:21] <Toerkeium> lets say, those mails will be deleted :P
[05:33:04] <vice-versa> sure why not
[05:33:24] <vice-versa> we have a 60 day retention policy
[05:33:44] <vice-versa> if unclaimed anyone can read them ;)
[05:34:18] <Toerkeium> that's of a good person
[05:34:42] <Toerkeium> We do prefer if they don't pay, imagine your last month replies
[05:36:29] <vice-versa> I'm having difficulties parsing that last statement
[05:37:22] <Toerkeium> well.. basicaly "if you don't pay, you won't get your emails anymore"
[05:38:00] <vice-versa> well yeah, that's a given ;)
[05:39:08] <Toerkeium> even in your 60 day retention policy? heh
[05:40:41] <vice-versa> what if it was just some stupid accounting snafu on their behalf, or heaven forbid on your end
[05:41:53] <Toerkeium> sure, I agree with your policy
[05:41:54] <Toerkeium> :)
[05:43:59] <vice-versa> eliminates stupid shit like that ... everything gets sorted out, then someone is like, "wtf, where's all my god damn email you fucktards?"
[05:51:24] <Toerkeium> heheh
[05:52:32] <Toerkeium> we just don't let them know they have been suspended, we just change their passwords and when they pay we change the password back
[05:52:47] <Toerkeium> so they get in touch and we don't even have to call them
[05:55:08] <vice-versa> we do something similar, just toggle a flag on the account/domain that disables pop, imap and submission services
[05:56:00] <vice-versa> however doing so is extremely rare
[05:57:03] <Toerkeium> why?
[05:57:19] <vice-versa> good customers I guess
[05:57:29] <vice-versa> if anything it's the other way around
[05:58:03] <Toerkeium> ahh yeah
[05:58:37] <Toerkeium> that's true
[05:59:06] <vice-versa> I know for a fact there many domains we're paid to host mail for that has absolutely 0 mail flow
[05:59:24] <vice-versa> s/there/there are/
[06:00:20] <vice-versa> and it's pretty obvious as to why, the domains have long expired ;)
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[13:00:55] <cite> On a mailhost taking a lot of "fire", I'm getting these messages lately: 1st one, repeated a few hundred times: "warning: problem talking to service private/scache: Connection timed out", followed by: "fatal: watchdog timeout"
[13:01:10] <cite> First error ist reported by "smtp", second errors are reported mainly by master, but alos by qmgr.
[13:01:14] <cite> Any ideas?
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[13:05:06] <cite> Ok, I just did some debugging, and it looks like master(8) simply freezes and is unable to spawn any new processes. Is this an OS/kernel relateds problem?
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[18:19:34] <cmdln_> if I have a virtual alias map that maps @domain1 and @domain2 if I have user@domain2 any email sent to user@domain1 will forward to user@domain2 right?
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[18:22:49] <juro_> hi, I am testing my postfix setup and trying to send an email to myself from the command line using "telnet localhost 25", everything works ok, but I cannot escape from the telnet input after entering data
[18:23:29] <cmdln_> ctrl ]
[18:24:09] <cmdln_> juro_: that was for you
[18:24:59] <juro_> cmdln, ok, I'll try that
[18:26:36] <vice-versa> juro_: you need to terminate the end of data properly, <CRLF>.<CRLF>
[18:27:15] <juro_> vice-versa, why is that important?
[18:27:30] <juro_> cmdln_, thanx works
[18:27:40] <cmdln_> np
[18:28:20] <vice-versa> because the SMTP protocol defines the end of mail data by sending a single line containing only a "."
[18:29:23] <juro_> vice-versa, that makes sense.
[18:29:25] <juro_> thanx
[18:30:10] <juro_> also, I have a more conceptual question regarding the host name. if I have a local machine that does nothing else but collect mails from various servers and maps them to users on the system, is the host name important?
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[18:32:05] <vice-versa> imo it is
[18:33:30] <juro_> vica-versa, so taking that my main domain name is www.mydomain.org and the hosters mail server runs on mail.mydomain.org, what would a valid name be for my local postfix box? local.mydomain.org?
[18:36:05] <vice-versa> I would use a name that defines the role of the machine
[18:37:09] <juro_> vice-versa, can you give an example?
[18:37:12] <juro_> please
[18:37:21] <vice-versa> sure, given your description of what it does it more or less acts as an mda
[18:37:25] <vice-versa> !mda
[18:37:25] <knoba> vice-versa: "mda" : Mail Delivery Agent: software that delivers mail messages to individual recipient mailboxes after they've been accepted by an MTA
[18:38:14] <juro_> so you would call itmda.mydomain.org
[18:38:23] <juro_> + space ...
[18:42:27] <vice-versa> for me it would depend on its environment, I might go with localmda, lanmda, mailmda, mda001, or just plain mda
[18:43:46] <cmdln_> is it not possible to alais a domain? I might be messing around in the wrong area, I was thinking I might be able to map @domain1 to @domain2 and make jane@domain1 deliver to jane@domain2 and john@domain1 deliver to john@domain2, but my deliveries are just ening up in a Maildir at the root of my domain tree so essentially acting as expected if you take the rhs as a noone as it maps to my physical path.
[18:44:02] <juro_> vice-versa, thanx that clears that up.
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[22:00:55] <mh_le> I get this line in my logs when I try send a mail from localhost..
[22:00:56] <mh_le>  to=<xyz at gmail dot com>, relay=smtp.cybercity.dk[212.242.43.251]:25, delay=0.49, delays=0.16/0.02/0.25/0.06, dsn=4.1.8, status=deferred (host smtp.cybercity.dk[212.242.43.251] said: 450 4.1.8 <wwwrun at mh-desk dot site>: Sender address rejected: Domain not found (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[22:01:21] <mh_le> what should I do about it?
[22:02:57] <vice-versa> make sure the sending address contains a valid domain part
[22:03:56] <mh_le> vice-versa: you mean a valid ip?
[22:04:34] * vice-versa blinks
[22:04:54] <mh_le> or what do you mean by a valid domain?
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[22:05:39] <vice-versa> the sender email address, local_part@dmain_part
[22:06:01] <vice-versa> s/dmain_part/domain_part/
[22:06:05] <mh_le> I see, and how do I do that?
[22:06:15] <mh_le> alter myhostname?
[22:07:08] <vice-versa> well first you need a *real*, as in existing in the DNS system, domain
[22:07:22] <mh_le> I do have that
[22:07:25] <vice-versa> you can't just make shit up
[22:07:56] <mh_le> I know
[22:08:48] <vice-versa> well use that domain then
[22:09:13] <mh_le> I did, and it works now
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[22:18:35] <war9407> ;o
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[22:56:25] <locohost_lt> is anyone savvy with postfix in here :P
[22:56:58] <locohost_lt> i can telnet into my server and send mail with rcpt to:, data, etc
[22:57:01] <locohost_lt> but, cant do like..
[22:57:14] <locohost_lt> cat tmpfile |mail -s "are you getting this" locohost at admin02 dot fqdn
[22:58:07] <vice-versa> s/mail/sendmail/
[22:59:01] <locohost_lt> hmm, is mail like a qmail thing or something?
[22:59:16] <Trengo> no, its the mail program
[22:59:21] <Trengo> reads mail on the local machine
[22:59:46] <locohost_lt> or sends
[23:00:13] <Trengo> that too
[23:00:21] <Trengo> though i prefer mailx for that
[23:00:36] <Trengo> mail know -s on solaris and bsd, not sure
[23:00:41] <Trengo> doesnt know
[23:01:24] <locohost_lt> i think mailx does pretty much the same thing, with maybe a bit more functionality
[23:01:42] <Trengo> its the same yes
[23:04:34] <locohost_lt> when i telnet it works, but if i pipe stuff to mail or mailx it nothing even shows in the mail log
[23:05:12] <locohost_lt> whats the equiv of qmHandle -l?
[23:05:43] <locohost_lt> $ mailq
[23:05:43] <locohost_lt> Mail queue is empty
[23:05:45] <locohost_lt> that it?
[23:05:57] <Trengo> no no
[23:05:59] <vice-versa> locohost_lt: I guess it wasn't obvious
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[23:06:16] <locohost_lt> so, are my messages not even making it to the local queue?
[23:07:09] <vice-versa> pipe it to sendmail, the postfix supplied command line sendmail emulation binary
[23:07:18] <Trengo> locohost_lt so what happens when you pipe something to mail?
[23:07:51] <locohost_lt> well, i have a lot of scripts that need to be moved over to this new server that send reports and stuff with|mail and i have other servers that this works on
[23:08:03] <locohost_lt> maybe something is configured differently on them
[23:09:39] <locohost_lt> could you give me and examle of doing the same thing with sendmail?
[23:10:21] <vice-versa> I did more or less
[23:11:06] <vice-versa> s/mail/sendmail/ meant to replace sendmail for mail in your example
[23:11:36] <locohost_lt> yeah, i understand that, but it didnt like the -s switch
[23:11:48] <locohost_lt> tired -t instead, it may have liked that, ill see if i get it
[23:14:40] <locohost_lt> cat tmpfile |sendmail -t "are you getting this" locohost at syslog01 dot admin
[23:14:51] <locohost_lt> takes it, but nothing in the maillog, and doesnt reach the destination
[23:15:12] <locohost_lt> suggetions on getting a more verbose error?
[23:17:01] <locohost_lt> tried that actually, just drops to the next line still, with no output
[23:17:04] <locohost_lt> as if its working
[23:17:26] <locohost_lt> sorry for my postfix noobrosity, i appreciate your help
[23:18:56] <vice-versa> hmm, try this, echo "sendmail test" | sendmail -vv locohost at admin02 dot fqdn
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[23:19:40] <locohost_lt> takes it, drops down to next line
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[23:22:29] <locohost_lt> dont receive the message or any output
[23:23:21] <vice-versa> seems your sendmail binary is messed up or not the one supplied by postfix or was named something else by you distro and or package maintainer
[23:23:49] <vice-versa> postconf sendmail_path
[23:28:03] <vice-versa> locohost_lt: what's the output from the above?
[23:28:09] <locohost_lt> is that in main.cf or master.cf?
[23:28:32] <locohost_lt> its centos 4.6, btw
[23:28:49] <locohost_lt> postfix-2.2.10-1.1.el4
[23:29:13] <Trengo> locohost_lt the sendmail binary doesnt do the same as mail/mailx
[23:29:25] <Trengo> you have to feed it the headers yourself
[23:29:31] <Trengo> mail/mailx do it for you
[23:29:49] <vice-versa> locohost_lt: what is the output from, postconf sendmail_path
[23:29:52] <Trengo> check if you have a /usr/lib/sendmail or /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:30:06] <Trengo> because mail/mailx invoke that directly
[23:30:19] <locohost_lt> $ whereis postfixconf
[23:30:19] <locohost_lt> postfixconf:
[23:30:25] <Trengo> postcof
[23:30:27] <Trengo> postconf
[23:31:07] <locohost_lt> yar, sorry, long day
[23:31:08] <locohost_lt> sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
[23:31:46] <vice-versa> :(
[23:31:55] <vice-versa> try it with that
[23:32:06] <vice-versa> sendmail.postfix
[23:32:48] * vice-versa guesses sendmail the mta package is also installed
[23:32:51] <locohost_lt> echo "can we send a message" | sendmail -vv user@fqdn works great
[23:33:03] <locohost_lt> on another machine that should be configured the same way
[23:33:23] <vice-versa> echo "can we send a message" | sendmail.postfix -vv user@fqdn works great
[23:33:44] <vice-versa> s/works great//
[23:34:59] <locohost_lt> that works
[23:35:21] <locohost_lt> from the machine that |mail ..etc doesnt work on
[23:35:41] <locohost_lt> so, what could be different about machine a vs machine b
[23:35:42] <Trengo> locohost_lt check if you have /usr/lib/sendmail or /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:36:03] <Trengo> if you dont, create it as a symlink to your sendmail.postfix binary
[23:36:30] <vice-versa> obviously there is a binary on the host named sendmail other than the one we want
[23:37:12] <vice-versa> most likely the sendmail MTA package binary
[23:37:36] <locohost_lt> $ ls /usr/lib/sendmail
[23:37:57] <locohost_lt> $ ls /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:37:57] <locohost_lt> sendmail          sendmail.postfix
[23:38:02] <locohost_lt> have both
[23:38:46] <locohost_lt> hmm, the broken machine has qmail-1.03-41 installed, and not the working one
[23:38:52] <locohost_lt> but not confiured
[23:39:13] <Trengo> ls -l
[23:39:31] <vice-versa> remove qmail if you're not using it then
[23:40:14] <locohost_lt> could it being installed effect anyting?
[23:45:21] <vice-versa> if it's not running no it shouldn't, other than this sendmail emulation binary issue
[23:45:51] * vice-versa is assuming /usr/sbin/sendmail belongs to qmail
[23:46:26] <locohost_lt> how can i test that?
[23:46:47] <locohost_lt> i want to remove the rpm, as far as i know, qmail does nothing on that box and should not be there
[23:46:59] <locohost_lt> i have to put in change control tickets and stuff and get aproval to remove the package though
[23:47:57] <vice-versa> gah
[23:49:26] <locohost_lt> what do you mean by belong to
[23:49:33] <locohost_lt> clearly, not like file premissions
[23:50:06] <vice-versa> as in what package does it belong to
[23:50:21] <vice-versa> does your package manager not have a feature to check to see what file may belong to what package?
[23:50:29] <Trengo> locohost_lt isnt there a trouble ticket saying "it doesnt work" already?
[23:51:22] <locohost_lt> [jsling at admin01 dot garnet ~]$ rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:51:22] <locohost_lt> qmail-1.03-41
[23:51:51] <vice-versa> so there you go, my assumption was correct
[23:52:46] <vice-versa> iirc qmails sendmail binary emulation is just ok as opposed to postfix being very good
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[23:53:35] <locohost_lt> so, uninstall qmail, im assuming sendmail will show as a dependencie
[23:53:40] <locohost_lt> then, reinstall sendmail?
[23:53:55] <vice-versa> no
[23:53:58] <Trengo> locohost_lt check /etc/alternatives
[23:54:32] <locohost_lt> rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/sbin/sendmail
[23:54:32] <locohost_lt> postfix-2.2.10-1.1.el4
[23:54:34] <locohost_lt> on the box that works
[23:56:15] <vice-versa> remove qmail and create a sendmail symbolic link to sendmail.postfix or just mv sendmail.postfix sendmail
[23:56:15] <locohost_lt> soo, change the symlink from /var/qmail/bin/sendmail to /etc/alternatives/mta
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[23:59:28] <vice-versa> I know what I would do given your package removal red-tape
[23:59:47] <locohost_lt> what would you do?
[23:59:59] <vice-versa> mv /usr/sbin/sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail.qmail && mv /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix /usr/sbin/sendmail





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