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[00:04:35] <sakuramboo> can postfix do a round-robbin type of delivery with user accounts? i know it can do it with DNS, but im looking to do it with email addresses
[00:04:49] <_trace> can anyone suggest an appropriate channel to discuss smtp/email RFCs?
[00:05:06] <_trace> need to run some multipart/alternative questions by someone
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[00:11:32] <sakuramboo> id want it like this, if an email comes it, it would try to send it to archive at foo dot com, if it fails, it would then try to send it to archive2 at foo dot com, if that fails, then archive3 at foo dot com and so on
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[00:15:19] <loompek> umm
[00:15:42] <loompek> what to do if i don't want postfix to tamper with mail headers
[00:15:48] <loompek> so no "Rewrite addresses to standard form" and stuff
[00:15:56] <loompek> just relay it to a specific transport
[00:17:10] <loompek> local_header_rewrite_clients=
[00:17:17] <loompek> that should prolyl work.. rigt?
[00:18:31] <fremo> _trace: too late..
[00:22:50] <higuita> sakuramboo: it would depende a little what error if gives when fail to deliver to archive at foo dot com
[00:23:33] <higuita> if its a 450 error, it could be possible someway
[00:23:39] <sakuramboo> thats the thing, there are no errors on the server, but we are getting bounce backs saying that the service is unavailable, however, it IS available and DOES parse the emails just fine
[00:23:58] <sakuramboo> its a 451 error
[00:23:59] <higuita> but if its a 500 error, the email will bounce
[00:24:57] <sakuramboo> another guy and myself are trying to troubleshoot this issue and he suggested i set up a round robbin with the email accounts to see if it continues bouncing back
[00:24:59] <higuita> maybe its better that the MDA do this kind of work... IIRC, there was a maildrop option for redundancy (or was it a different MDA?)
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[00:26:17] <higuita> if its telling that the service is unavailable is because it is... check the logs for that message ID/queue ID and see the errors its giving to result as service is unavailable
[00:27:01] <higuita> a bounce because of that error implies that the email was falling for a long time
[00:27:18] <sakuramboo> that was the first thing i did and there were no errors
[00:28:42] <higuita> maybe the wrong log... how is really bouncing the email? postfix? amavis? spamassassin? maildrop? any other problem
[00:28:59] <higuita> that is the first thing you must check
[00:29:10] <sakuramboo> this is the error
[00:29:12] <higuita> the bounce message text will help you see the origin of the problem
[00:29:12] <sakuramboo> Technical details of temporary failure:
[00:29:12] <sakuramboo> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 451 451 4.7.1 Service unavailable - try again later (state 13).
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[00:30:56] <higuita> can you give me a test email so i can test it? (pvt me if you can to keep it private)
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[00:35:57] <vice-versa> 451 451? ... seems somewhat uncharacteristic for the smtp reply code to be repeated
[00:36:33] <higuita> vice-versa: it was/is a milter problem
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[00:37:01] <higuita> it is it that was  giving that error
[00:37:24] 
[00:37:42] <vice-versa> yeah, I was thinking a poorly implemented user defined reply
[00:37:59] <higuita> that. or a bad paste 8)
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[00:39:43] <Fonant> I'm maintaining a server, which has just had its IP address changed. For some reason the postfix config files use the public IP address, rather than 127.0.0.1. I have 12,000 mails in deferred, all trying to be sent to the old IP address.
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[00:40:02] <Fonant> I can release them, but postfix seems insistent on sending to the old IP, not the new one.
[00:40:17] <Fonant> I've edited config files, and restarted postfix and postfix-out.
[00:40:29] <Fonant> System uses amavisd-new too.
[00:41:59] <Fonant> Anyone know how I can get postfix to use the new IP?
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[00:43:55] <A|3x> i get message like this in my maillog: amavis[31971]: (31971-15) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)
[00:44:03] <A|3x> any ideas what might be wrong?
[00:44:10] <A|3x> clamd is running, by the way
[00:44:26] <A|3x> and file /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid exists
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[00:48:54] <Fonant> OK, fixed it. postfix was reading transport info for each user from a MySQL database, and that had the wrong IP in it. Cheers!
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[00:53:19] <wdp> <Fonant> OK, fixed it. postfix was reading transport info for each user from a MySQL database, and that had the wrong IP in it. Cheers!
[00:53:30] <wdp> what is he doing when the mysql db fails or is corrupted?
[00:53:32] <wdp> ;)
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[01:35:29] <vice-versa> A|3x: still struggling with amavis/clamav I see
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[05:28:37] <k-man> is it possible to look at the postgrey database?
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[06:50:00] <fremo> is there any trouble to expect with .eu tld (or .coop) with antispam?
[06:51:15] <fremo> it seems that the .eu is not RFC compliant (http://www.robtex.com/dns/example.eu.html)
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[10:36:40] <jduggan> guys
[10:36:43] <jduggan> who here has header checks skillz
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[10:40:47] <jduggan> http://pure.noffle.net/~jduggan/HEADERLOOP.txt <- a dspam enabled MX is sending me mail with all this headers in it, and its choking my DSPAM install - i want to reject this kinda stuff before it gets to dspam on my MX boxes
[10:40:52] <jduggan> Anyone like to suggest a sane way to do that?
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[11:06:22] <xpoint> jduggan, dspam get rid of it :)
[11:07:00] <xpoint> jduggan, dspam killed my /var do you want to be there ?
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[11:36:05] <Knoedel2> hi all
[11:36:58] <Knoedel2> i'm trying to bypass amavis but postfix is not really interessted: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/amavis_bypass, ...
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[11:37:25] <Knoedel2> 11.22.33.44 FILTER amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10025
[11:37:47] <Knoedel2> any idea ? he send the mail always over the normal content_filter port 10024
[11:39:06] <Knoedel2> http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/bypassing.html#5
[11:40:36] <f3ew> logs? postconf -n? Did you relod Postfix?
[11:40:45] <f3ew> Is the IP address correct?
[11:41:42] <Knoedel2> the ip is correct
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[11:45:30] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215640
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[11:59:47] <Knoedel2> f3ew: any idea ?
[12:01:24] <f3ew> 78.47.80.80 FILTER smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025
[12:01:25] <jduggan> xpoint: would love to get rid of it, but cant at this point in time :)
[12:01:27] <f3ew> change that
[12:03:20] <Knoedel2> f3ew same
[12:03:47] <xpoint> jduggan, bayes in spamassassin is more stable then dspam
[12:04:39] <xpoint> jduggan, so remove all other tests in spamassassin will render the same there, just more stable
[12:05:03] <Knoedel2> f3ew i have "postmap amavis_bypass" and postfix reload
[12:06:56] <xpoint> jduggan, spambayes python is olso intresting
[12:13:58] <f3ew> Knoedel2, test the map with postmap -q?
[12:14:08] <f3ew> What happens if you run smtpd in verbose mode?
[12:18:26] <Knoedel2> mx2 postfix # postmap -q 78.47.80.80 hash:/etc/postfix/amavis_bypass
[12:18:26] <Knoedel2> FILTER smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025
[12:18:36] <Knoedel2> looks ok
[12:21:34] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215669
[12:23:11] <f3ew> Oct  1 12:19:17 mx2 postfix/smtpd[15168]: > unknown[77.66.210.45]: 220 mx2.caritas-geldern.de ESMTP Postfix <=== after this/
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[12:26:53] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215673
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[12:28:20] <Knoedel2> in line 27 he forwards it to port 10025 and then in line 29 he forwarding it again to 10024
[12:33:06] <f3ew> no, that's just because of the way amavisd works
[12:33:22] <f3ew> Show verbose smtpd logs for a message from 78.47.80.80
[12:34:11] <Knoedel2> but i want to bypass amavis..and dont use a content filter for this ip...
[12:34:25] <Knoedel2> sec
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[12:38:00] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215677
[12:41:25] <active> I have a question with posting information to pipe, I would like to pass also the message-id from the queue that postfix assigns to the message and is also visible in the "Received:" header line to the pipe application so I don't have to decode the message to get the messageID ?
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[12:46:00] <Knoedel2> f3ew maybe i need to delete 78.47.80.80 from mynetworks ?
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[12:56:59] <Knoedel2> hmmmm
[12:58:08] <f3ew> do you have a separate entry in master.cf?
[12:58:26] <f3ew> because the logs don't match with your config
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[13:01:55] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215691
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[13:50:39] <Guest13676> hello all
[13:50:48] <Guest13676> .Nice to see you today.
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[14:28:39] <Knoedel2> sysmonkare you around ?
[14:28:44] <Knoedel2> sysmonk are you around ?
[14:28:54] <sysmonk> um, yes?
[14:29:21] <Knoedel2> maybe you can help me: http://de.pastebin.ca/1215691
[14:29:42] <Knoedel2> i'm trying to bypass amavis but postfix is not really interessted: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/amavis_bypass, ...
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[14:31:05] <sysmonk> Knoedel2: where's your full postconf -n output?
[14:31:09] <Knoedel2> sec
[14:33:05] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215736
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[14:33:35] <RonDamon> hi
[14:33:36] <sysmonk> you can't bypass amavisd with check_client_access IF your'e using content_filter
[14:33:50] <sysmonk> you can bypass that with a seperate transport in master.cf and content_filter set to nothing
[14:33:58] <RonDamon> Hi All
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[14:34:19] <sysmonk> OR you can make a check_client_access and use FILTER to send stuff to amavis
[14:34:35] <Knoedel2> sysmonk i'm trying to send it to port 10025 where content_filter= blank
[14:34:35] <sysmonk> (that will require turning of content_filter, ofcourse)
[14:34:53] <sysmonk> Knoedel2: it's not you who has to do that, but clients have to connect to 10025
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[14:40:00] <Knoedel2> sysmonk amavis_bypass file: 78.47.80.80 FILTER smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025
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[14:41:22] <Knoedel2> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/amavis_bypass,
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[14:45:15] <Knoedel2> sysmonk i've tryed also to set a new entry in amavis with port 10026
[14:45:26] <Knoedel2> and bypass_*_checks 1
[14:45:41] <Knoedel2> but he won't deliver to port 10026
[14:46:17] <lunaphyte_> i had the weirdest dream last night.
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[14:50:35] <sysmonk> Knoedel2: i really need full postconf's to see what you did
[14:50:39] <sysmonk> or root access :P
[14:51:41] <lunaphyte_> i dreamt that i was hanging out in some sort of community center/non-profit sort of place, and the dude running it needed an iptables ruleset built and some sort of kernel module built, and i told him i'd do it.  he asked how much i'd be looking for and i told him i'd look over the particulars and let him know, and he offered up that he was hopeful it might be around 4500 or so.
[14:51:43] <Knoedel2> hehe ok sec
[14:52:20] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: then you did the job and forwarded 4000 to me ?
[14:52:20] <sysmonk> ;)
[14:52:25] <sysmonk> nice dream!
[14:52:26] <sysmonk> ;))
[14:52:31] <Knoedel2> sysmonk http://rafb.net/p/Y2SWty20.html
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[14:53:00] <sysmonk> Knoedel2: er, i meant postconf -n's :)
[14:53:15] <lunaphyte_> ha - i remember thinking "cool, this is great".  but when i woke up, i was a bit disturbed.
[14:53:28] <lunaphyte_> what a waste of a dream.
[14:54:02] <Knoedel2> sysmonk this is (14:33) <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215736
[14:54:12] <sysmonk> Knoedel2: AFTER changes
[14:58:30] <Knoedel2> after changes ?
[14:58:38] <sysmonk> you said you changed something
[14:58:40] <sysmonk> or you did not?
[14:59:36] <Knoedel2> i have only added check_client_access
[14:59:52] <Knoedel2> and already what i have pasted
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[15:00:48] <sysmonk> and i asked to pastebin postconf -n AFTER you added that
[15:01:06] <sysmonk> i'm really not into looking at pastebin and then looking at all the changes you did and trying to combine those
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[15:03:06] <Knoedel2> this is already the AFTER postconf
[15:03:35] <Knoedel2> i make again a clear paste, moment
[15:04:01] <sysmonk> if it is, then you didn't read what i said about combining FILTER and content_filter
[15:04:10] <sysmonk> FILTER  will NOT override content_filter
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[15:07:20] <outrapessoa> greetings!  Is there a limit to the number of addresses to receive copy of the messages for one account?
[15:07:27] <Knoedel2> thats it:
[15:07:27] <Knoedel2> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215768
[15:08:12] <lunaphyte_> outrapessoa: huh?
[15:08:56] <outrapessoa> lunaphyte_: a customer asked me how much address he could configure to receive a copy of the messages for a given account
[15:09:12] <outrapessoa> and I didn't find the answer in postconf
[15:10:06] <outrapessoa> maybe depends on postfixadmin (in my case) or any other engine ?
[15:10:25] <lunaphyte_> Knoedel2: you are being redundant. check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/amavis_bypass is saying "send these particular devices through amavis, and content_filter = amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024 is saying "send *everything* through amavis".
[15:10:47] <lunaphyte_> outrapessoa: i don't understand the question.
[15:11:03] <outrapessoa> lunaphyte_: ok.. let me try to clarify
[15:12:10] <outrapessoa> i have one mail account. i want to configure the mailserver to copy the messages sent to that account to other accounts, ok?
[15:12:28] <outrapessoa> in this case, it's a postfix+mysql environment
[15:12:38] <outrapessoa> postfix+mysql+postfixadmin
[15:12:57] <outrapessoa> who sets the limit of recipients to be configured?
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[15:13:17] <lunaphyte_> oh, you are asking is there is some limit to the number of aliases postfix will expand?
[15:13:23] <lunaphyte_> *if there is.
[15:13:57] <outrapessoa> yes.. :)
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[15:14:33] <outrapessoa> you know..... somewhat new to postfix.... not nature english speaker........
[15:14:36] <lunaphyte_> !tell outrapessoa virtual_alias_expansion_limit
[15:14:38] <knoba> outrapessoa: -> "virtual_alias_expansion_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal number of addresses that virtual alias expansion produces from each original recipient.
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[15:15:02] <outrapessoa> great! i'll ask my postconf for this..
[15:15:17] <outrapessoa> congratulations for the bot programmer.. :)
[15:15:56] <outrapessoa> whow! it said 1000 !   O.o
[15:16:27] <lunaphyte_> it's actually not a bot.  it's an unpaid foreign immigrant that we threaten with deportation if he doesn't sit in a dark room and reply to queries.
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[15:16:35] <lunaphyte_> yes, default is 1000
[15:17:27] <Knoedel2> !content_filter
[15:17:28] <knoba> Knoedel2: "content_filter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of a mail delivery transport that filters mail after it is queued.
[15:17:45] <outrapessoa> hauehuha poor knoba
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[15:18:40] <outrapessoa> lunaphyte: thanks for the help.. see ya in the next doubt..
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[15:19:17] <outrapessoa> oh, btw, anyone else here experimented problems with amavisd-new, having to downgrade to 2.5.2 ?
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[15:19:22] <lunaphyte_> Knoedel2: sorry, i misread your comments.  like sysmonk said, you can't use content filter at the same time.
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[15:24:46] <outrapessoa> lunaphyte_: do you use amavisd-new? what version?
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[15:35:35] <lunaphyte_> i have an older verson atm - 2.5.3
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[15:37:46] <outrapessoa> anyone had recent problems with amavisd-new-2.6.0, related to DBD-mysql?
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[16:04:51] <download123> hey, Ive got a question Ive got entries in my mail log like this CA0A0618D37: from=<>, size=4108, nrcpt=1 (queue active) and later on CA0A0618D37: to=<VioletresiduaryFrey at monstermassive dot com>, relay=mail.monstermassive.com[64.13.232.248]:25,
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[16:05:08] <download123> it seems to me as if my server is used as an open relay
[16:05:18] <download123> (also it should not be possible)
[16:05:36] <download123> (monstermassive.com is none of my domains)
[16:05:40] <uniwiz> Anyone had errors like this one in their postfix queue:
[16:05:41] <uniwiz> (delivery temporarily suspended: conversation with SERVER_IP[SERVER_IP] timed out while sending MAIL FROM)
[16:05:56] <uniwiz> What exactly could be causing them
[16:06:01] <uniwiz> I got thousands of these
[16:06:07] <outrapessoa> download123: man, do a grep in your mail.log for CA0A0618D37
[16:06:19] <outrapessoa> maybe things turn clearer for you
[16:06:53] <outrapessoa> download123: btw, can be a person trusted, sending mail to this address
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[16:07:44] <download123> outrapessoa no ... normaly only php sends mails
[16:08:11] <DIFH-iceroot> hi
[16:08:20] <download123> should i past the grep outrapessoa?
[16:08:20] <outrapessoa> download123: so, maybe php is not informing the sender correctly
[16:08:32] <outrapessoa> download123: do it
[16:08:55] <DIFH-iceroot>  chdir alpha-unix.de/info/: No such file or directory   is this correct? my mailboxes are in /home/vmail/ so is it normal that imap/postfix is using the domain?
[16:09:32] <download123> http://de.pastebin.ca/1215810 here it is ..
[16:09:55] <download123> the log seems as if the server gets attacked .. hundreds of connections / emails in one secound
[16:10:43] <outrapessoa> download123: maybe one of the smtp users is infected by some kind or worm..
[16:11:04] <download123> there shouldn't bee any
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[16:12:09] <ElDios> yo guys
[16:12:44] <ElDios> simple question: how would you *always* APPEND a line to the headers via header_check?
[16:13:03] <ElDios> in fact, is this possible at all?
[16:13:17] <f3ew> See PREPEND
[16:13:39] <ElDios> f3ew yep.. I was looking that and the DUNNO statement
[16:13:50] <download123> outrapessoa should it bee that a bufferoverflow is used to send emails like this
[16:14:32] <outrapessoa> download123: so, dude, check the $mynetworks whether if it's correct for your needs
[16:14:39] <outrapessoa> download123: dunno..
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[16:16:49] <download123> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 seems as if mynetwors is right
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[16:19:17] <outrapessoa> download123: try to discover the sender ip for this tries, and block him awhile
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[16:30:38] <ElDios> thnx that worked
[16:30:44] <ElDios> cya..
[16:30:45] <ElDios> ^_^
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[16:35:01] <download123> is there an easy way to stop postfix triing to send the emails he wasnt able to send bevor shut down?
[16:40:24] <vice-versa> use postsuper to purge or place them on hold prior to restarting postfix
[16:43:44] <seekwill> My postfix is a woman, and she never makes things easy :(
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[16:44:48] <vice-versa> seekwill: is that the pussyfix fork of postfix?
[16:45:55] <seekwill> Whatever came with Zimbra
[16:46:32] <download123> where are the mails of the mailQueue how can i stop them from sending
[16:47:59] <f3ew> postsuper -d ALL
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[17:02:59] <DIFH-iceroot> how can is send all mails which are waiting in the queue (list with mailq)
[17:03:53] <gpled> /usr/sbin/postqueue -f
[17:04:36] <DIFH-iceroot> gpled: thx
[17:04:42] <gpled> np
[17:11:06] <DIFH-iceroot> hm, there are mails in mailq which cant be send, at the time the mails were written (echo "foo" | mailx -s "foo" adress) i had a wrong server conf, now with the correct server conf the mails are NOT send in queue but mails i am writing now with mailx can be send
[17:11:32] <DIFH-iceroot> is there a way to send the old mails in queue? pstqueue -f was not working
[17:13:38] <vice-versa> try requeuing them with postsuper
[17:15:06] <DIFH-iceroot> then the mails are marked as "mail-transport unavalable"
[17:15:56] <DIFH-iceroot> but new mails with the same mailx command are send now
[17:17:07] <vice-versa> did you requeue them as I suggested?
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[17:19:01] <DIFH-iceroot> vice-versa: now its working, they are coming (slowly)
[17:19:05] <DIFH-iceroot> thank you all
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[17:21:26] <f3ew> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321
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[17:47:20] <audela> Hello, I have an email which is BANNED and like to know why... here is the log line : amavis[14334]: (14334-09) Blocked BANNED (multipart/alternative | multipart/mixed | application/zip,.zip,Code Barre X \203.zip,=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Code_Barre_X_=83.zip?= | .empty,Code Barre X \306\222/www.Software-DS.com), [67.69.33.14] [67.69.33.14] <infographie at lm-i dot ca> -> <christian at audeladuweb dot com>, quarantine: /var/lib/amavis/quarantine, Message-ID:
[17:47:21] <audela> <CB3B6F71-EBFF-45F5-A747-584605166343 at lm-i dot ca>, mail_id: NbBbZi3h1UJA, Hits: -, 557 ms
[17:48:40] <Dominian> why not read that log.. and consult amavisd?
[17:49:13] <Dominian> it didn't like the .zip file for some reason.. read the logs..
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[17:54:38] <zaarg> virus?
[17:55:02] <audela> it's a program...
[17:55:05] <Dominian> I'm not gonna guess
[17:55:37] <Dominian> audela: Its your mail server.. how do you have it configured to handle .zip extensions?
[17:55:39] <audela> I tried to send another .zip and it passed... I wnder why...
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[17:56:06] <audela> I did not set anything specially for .zip...
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[17:56:18] <Dominian> Well, send the same .zip file again that got caught
[17:56:27] <Dominian> I dunno what to tell you.. amavisd stopped it.. not postfix
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[17:57:29] <audela> I overrun this problem, probably this specific .zip...
[17:57:33] <audela> Thank you guys
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[17:58:18] <Dominian> argh
[17:58:30] <Dominian> if.. you.. don't.. know.. how.. to.. admin.. it.. don't.. install.. it
[17:59:41] <thumbs> Dominian: I wish that were the case for all the servers.
[17:59:50] <thumbs> Dominian: there's too many clueless admins out there
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[18:05:49] <Dominian> aye
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[18:08:26] <vice-versa> and it's going to get worse unfortunately :(
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[18:11:33] <mtu> hello there, two questions: 1) i set smtp_tls_security_level = encrypt. is there a way i can verify the connection is being encrypted?
[18:11:48] <mtu> 2) where can i find documentation about the sender dependent relay feature?
[18:12:43] <Dominian> check the logs...
[18:13:02] <Dominian>  Anonymous TLS connection established from lists.sourceforge.net
[18:13:08] <Dominian> You should see something similar to that
[18:13:30] <mtu> i can't readily see the logs of my ISP's mail server
[18:15:29] <Dominian> Well, no way to tell you then
[18:16:23] <mtu> am i correct to assume that if there were no TLS available, postfix would complain and die with that setting?
[18:16:53] <Dominian> possibly
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[18:23:20] <vice-versa> mtu: don't assume, read documentation and test
[18:23:31] <vice-versa> !maincf smtp_tls_security_level
[18:23:31] <vice-versa> !tls_readme
[18:23:31] <vice-versa> !tlstest
[18:23:33] <knoba> vice-versa: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[18:23:34] <knoba> vice-versa: "tlstest" : starting with OpenSSL 0.9.7, you can test the server-side TLS with the following: openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect localhost:25
[18:26:37] <mtu> the tlstest works on my ISP
[18:26:58] <mtu> so that way i know postfix connects over an encrypted connection?
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[18:37:25] <vice-versa> mtu: that test merely indicates your isp's smtp is capable of tls transmissions, surely as an ISP they wouldn't enforce it's usage, at least not on port 25
[18:37:52] <mtu> right, which is why i set smtp_tls_security_level = encrypt
[18:38:03] <sysmonk> oh my
[18:38:23] <sysmonk> ah, if you're only using smtp via relayhsot - then maybe it's ok
[18:39:17] <mtu> yes, it's only relaying to one server. i'd rather have two, though... both of which i know support TLS, but i can't seem to find good documentation on the sender dependent relayhost option
[18:39:24] <mtu> the postconf(5) entry is cryptic to me
[18:39:50] <sysmonk> mtu: create an dns entry with 2 mx'es
[18:39:57] <sysmonk> and set relayhost to that dns entry
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[18:44:13] <vice-versa> mtu: possibly, should, maybe ... it seems to me you're looking for reassurances, given the nature of why one would want tls in the first place you should confirm it yourself, increase logging verbosity for the relayhost, check test message headers, use tcpdump etc.
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[18:45:01] <mtu> got you
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[19:05:41] <mtu> am i reading this correctly - sender_dependent_relayhost_maps only distinguishes mail by which _user_ sends it, logged on to postfix's SMTPD?
[19:06:01] <mtu> if so, is there a way i can specify different relay hosts for mail from one user, based on the From: address?
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[19:16:44] <vice-versa> mtu: postfix knows nothing about logins and envelope sender != From:
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[19:17:00] <vice-versa> that being said, sender_dependent_relayhost_maps overrides relayhost, the map would look something like, sender at domain dot com     smtp:[someother.relayhost.tld]
[19:17:24] <lunaphyte_> mtu: what indicates to you that that parameter has anything to do with "logging in"?
[19:18:13] <mtu> an example config i found. the only example config i found, at that.
[19:18:39] <lunaphyte_> where?
[19:20:10] <mtu> here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-01/msg02843.html
[19:22:50] <lunaphyte_> i'd encourage you to use the docs that the author includes with the software to learn what the various parameters do.
[19:23:08] <lunaphyte_> in that example, there is more going on that just using sender_dependent_relayhost_maps
[19:23:52] <mtu> then please enlighten me with a pointer to some useful document on said feature, because i, like the parent author of that mail i linked to, found nothing useful anywhere in postconf(5) or elsewhere
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[19:25:41] <lunaphyte_> what wasn't useful about the sender_dependent_relayhost_maps section of postconf(5)?
[19:29:17] <mtu> i do not know what the syntax and layout of that table should be. i do not know how to specify that it should search just the header, and for what to search. finally, i do not know how to properly reference that map, although i assume i would postmap it and then point to hash:/location. none of this is said in that documentation.
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[19:33:11] <J2000_ca> Does anyone know how to get postfix to ignore local users? I've tried removing unix:passwd.byname from local_recipient_maps
[19:36:50] <vice-versa> mtu: the postconf(5) documentation for sender_dependent_relayhost_maps clearly references transport(5) which details the expected map table format complete with examples and it definitely mentions postmap
[19:37:08] <lunaphyte_> mtu: good questions.  the syntax/layout follows the convention established by the description.  it's a map, so it connects 1 value to another.  in this case, an envelope sender to a relayhost (transport).  you don't specify what will be searched.  by definition, only the envelope sender is matched against - the header isn't consulted.  you reference the map by employing that parameter in your config.
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[19:43:42] <Haris> Hello people
[19:44:13] <Haris> I got a quad core box from the owner with freebsd 7.0-RELEASE to do a fresh postfix install :D
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[19:49:58] <mtu> shasta: sure!
[19:50:05] <mtu> still, i have no idea about the syntax :/
[19:50:47] <gpled> J2000_ca: how many domains are you working with?
[19:51:42] <J2000_ca> gpled: one right now, 10ish if I can get it up and runnning
[19:52:29] <shasta> mtu, lunaphyte told you. read man 5 transport
[19:52:29] <gpled> J2000_ca: i setup /etc/postfix/transport
[19:52:29] <gpled> like this
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[19:53:06] <gpled> somedomian.com  smtp:[10.0.0.4]:25
[19:53:58] <gpled> J2000_ca: are you having trouble with incoming or outgoing, with the locals?
[19:55:05] <mtu> shasta: i see it mentions relaying, i'll try to get a setup working with that. that before, i'd need to know: do common MUAs like thunderbird or kmail even set this envelope-from address right when using their "identity" feature? or is that something i'd have to tackle more low-level?
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[19:55:56] <J2000_ca> gpled: Incoming, it just locally delivers the mail it gets. I'm trying to just get it to check a hash file and if the user isn't there send it to another server.
[19:57:06] <gpled> J2000_ca: seems like in the past i would make a file called .forward or something
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[19:57:17] <gpled> stick that in the users home dir
[19:57:23] <gpled> anyone remember how to do that?
[19:58:40] <gpled> f3ew: you awake?
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[20:02:35] <gpled> J2000_ca: http://www.win.tue.nl/bcf/linux/software/mail/forward.php
[20:03:37] <shasta> mtu, of course. envelope-from is a crucial part of the smtp protocol
[20:04:20] <A|3x> vice-versa: i got amavis/clamav set up, and everything is working perfectly.  i tried to set up virus checking using clamd instead of clamscan but i get the error message ``amavis[19942]: (19942-16-2) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)``
[20:04:51] <A|3x> vice-versa: maybe its the wrong socket file?
[20:05:59] <vice-versa> maybe
[20:06:22] <A|3x> whats should the socket argument be in ``['ClamAV-clamd', \&ask_daemon, ["CONTSCAN {}\n", "/var/run/clamav/clamd.pid"], qr/\bOK$/, qr/\bFOUND$/, qr/^.*?: (?!Infected Archive)(.*) FOUND$/ ],`` in /etc/amavisd.conf?
[20:06:55] <A|3x> i mean, what should be in place of "/var/run/clamav/clamd.pid" ?
[20:08:38] <A|3x> what is the path to clamd socket file?
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[20:10:17] <vice-versa> it would be the one defined in clamd.conf
[20:10:26] <A|3x> thanks, just found that out
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[20:16:25] <A|3x> vice-versa: thanks for your help, now its working perfectly
[20:16:41] <vice-versa> yw
[20:18:15] <jp-> when using aliases from mysql, can you have multiple aliases with the same name or are you restricted to the same rules of duplicates as /etc/aliases|/etc/mail/aliases?
[20:19:11] <mtu> shasta: so, would the following be a valid line for sender dependent relay hosts: "user at mailservice dot com :[mail.mailservice.com]"
[20:19:24] <mtu> i'd have several such lines, of course
[20:22:07] <mtu> wait, that'd be "user at mailservice dot com relay:[mail.mailservice.com]"
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[20:22:25] <mtu> is there room for a port to specify? or is that taken from the passwd file?
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[20:26:18] <paf_> hi
[20:26:42] <paf_> I've installed postfix on a server.
[20:27:15] <paf_> Now I want to be able to receive emails and forward it to another address.
[20:28:06] <paf_> I don't know where to start.
[20:29:49] <vice-versa> !fish
[20:29:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for a life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !smtpd!=smtp
[20:30:26] <paf_> !tutorial
[20:30:27] <knoba> paf_: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[20:30:40] <paf_> :-)
[20:30:44] <paf_> !basic
[20:30:44] <knoba> paf_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[20:34:04] <paf_> !manuals
[20:34:06] <knoba> paf_: "manuals" : Postfix manual pages. See: http://www.postfix.org/postfix-manuals.html
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[20:37:03] <js_> i'm trying to set up mailman with postfix in debian etch, but i get "warning: connect to transport smtp: Connection refused" instead of it sending the mailman messages
[20:37:33] <js_> hm, seems like i can't send any mail
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[20:39:08] <vice-versa> js_: postconf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
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[21:20:14] <timotiCK> I've been having this problem "mail transport unavailable"
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[21:26:47] <bpgoldsb> Anyone know a good way to split up delivery for a domain?  I want to make A at example dot com, C at example dot com, and G at example dot com go Server1 and B at example dot com, D at example dot com, Z at example dot com go to Server2
[21:28:12] <bpgoldsb> Basically doing per-user transports
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[21:28:30] <sysmonk> you just answered your question
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[21:32:10] <bpgoldsb> sysmonk: Sorry, I guess I was looking at an old version of the man page.
[21:32:22] <bpgoldsb> The version I was looking at said it could only be done by domain
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[21:34:46] <sysmonk> no, it can be done per recipient
[21:34:58] <sysmonk> or even with a regexp
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[21:51:14] <js_> vice-versa: "smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,       reject_unauth_destination,      check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:60000"
[21:51:45] <js_> vice-versa: i can receive mail, but not send any
[21:51:55] <timotiCK> can anyone help on a "mail transport unavailable" problem??
[21:52:19] <js_> i have the same error :)
[21:52:52] <vice-versa> !obvious
[21:52:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[21:53:42] <chadmaynard> !logs
[21:53:42] <js_> all i get in the logs is "warning: connect to transport smtp: Connection refused"
[21:53:43] <knoba> chadmaynard: "logs" : show some logs! we don't typically have much interest in guessing. by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going. also see !have2mung.
[21:55:50] <js_> well, i fuond my error
[21:56:01] <js_> i had commented out smtp unix from master.cf in confusion
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[22:05:50] <cite> Anyone here using Barracuda's DNSBL? Barracuda as an appliance is straight outta Compt^Whell, but what about their DNSBL?
[22:06:03] <lunaphyte_> f*ck no.
[22:06:20] <cite> Compton scores. Again.
[22:06:32] <lunaphyte_> the day i use a commercial organization's bl is the day i stop using email.
[22:07:55] <sysmonk> i thought of adding it to postfix as warn_if_reject
[22:07:57] <sysmonk> just to check it out
[22:08:33] <gpled> sysmonk: sup.  how did the vino turn out?
[22:09:05] <sysmonk> gpled: it takes about up to a month for it to be come vine :)
[22:09:12] <sysmonk> but anyway, went out bad today
[22:09:16] <vice-versa> cite: I'm not using it but I ran some test against it, while not conclusive it did seem pretty good
[22:09:32] <sysmonk> after getting back home from work, i saw my room .... it wasn't looking good :)
[22:09:42] <sysmonk> two out of three bottles exploded
[22:09:46] <sysmonk> er, not the bottles themselves
[22:09:47] <gpled> doh
[22:09:50] <sysmonk> but the um
[22:09:57] * sysmonk tries to find the word for it
[22:10:02] <gpled> lol
[22:10:08] <lunaphyte_> dildos?
[22:10:15] <gpled> the mash
[22:10:17] <sysmonk> nah, those were alright
[22:10:33] <vice-versa> sysmonk: apple-glycerine ;)
[22:10:35] <sysmonk> i didn't unpack your gift yet lunaphyte_, so dildos not affected
[22:10:48] <gpled> doh
[22:10:52] <lunaphyte_> haha
[22:11:54] <sysmonk> anyway, the bottles are alright
[22:11:56] <sysmonk> fixed them
[22:12:12] <sysmonk> and they're back to work
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[22:12:46] <sysmonk> evening cpm
[22:13:27] <cpm> even'n sysmonk
[22:14:01] <gpled> do you put a balloon with a small hole in it, on the bottles?
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[22:16:15] <cite> Good night.
[22:17:08] <cpm> gpled, just put the balloon neck over the bottle neck
[22:17:45] <gpled> cpm: yah, was just reading up on it.  not sure where I got the pin hole idea from.
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[22:18:02] <nop> hello to all!
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[22:18:20] <gpled> i should make some vino
[22:18:26] <cpm> do it.
[22:18:33] <nop> nobody can help me please?
[22:18:54] <gpled> sysmonk: has reinspired me
[22:19:11] <lunaphyte_> sure, nobody can help you.
[22:19:22] <nop> gh *somebody
[22:19:41] <nop> i have installed postfix and postfixadmin
[22:19:47] <lunaphyte_> probably.  only one way to really find out.
[22:20:12] <gpled> whats postfixadmin?
[22:20:22] 
[22:20:24] <sysmonk> gpled: i've showed you the pick of it, right?
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[22:20:35] <gpled> sysmonk: no!
[22:20:37] <lunaphyte_> not a tool for administrating postfix.  :)
[22:20:56] <gpled> sysmonk: these before or after apple-glycerine
[22:20:59] <sysmonk> gpled: pm
[22:21:04] <sysmonk> before :)
[22:21:10] <sysmonk> i didn't take a pick after
[22:21:18] <sysmonk> wanted to fix everything fast-fast-fast :)
[22:23:25] <gpled> lol
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[22:54:43] <jbrouhard> Hey all
[22:55:01] <jbrouhard> can someone tell me how i can forward mail from a primary MX server to another while DNS propgates ?
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[22:55:29] <jbrouhard> i have two mail servers set up.  original's Postfix, and I'm wanting to forward mail from the postfix box to another.  I know in qmail i can do this via smtproutes....
[22:55:33] <jbrouhard> how does postfix do this ?
[22:56:06] <sysmonk> all mails?
[22:56:09] <sysmonk> or for specific domain?
[22:57:16] <jbrouhard> all mails
[22:57:27] <jbrouhard> we're migrating from an poorly set up mailserver
[22:57:28] <sysmonk> !relayhost
[22:57:29] <knoba> sysmonk: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[22:57:35] <jbrouhard> to one hosted at the datacenter
[22:57:56] <jbrouhard> Oh, so set the relayhost in main.cf
[22:57:59] <jbrouhard> and I should be good to go ?
[22:58:13] <jbrouhard> all the mail is local... i.e. local user accounts = local mail.  this will just foward them all ?
[22:58:15] <sysmonk> also adding the domains to relay_domains
[22:58:21] <jbrouhard> Ah.  heh.
[22:58:22] <jbrouhard> easy to do :)
[22:58:26] <jbrouhard> Okay
[22:58:27] <jbrouhard> thanks, man
[22:58:34] <sysmonk> and removing from other place ( mydestination? virtual_* )
[22:58:36] <jbrouhard> much appreciated.  Just means a little more work for me but doable
[22:58:43] <lunaphyte_> let it queue.
[22:58:49] <sysmonk> or if you still want recipient validated, and only then re-sent to the server - use transport_maps
[22:58:58] <sysmonk> or relay_recipient_maps
[22:59:03] <sysmonk> anyway, lots of ways of doing it :)
[22:59:06] <jbrouhard> lol
[22:59:14] <jbrouhard> just want the most common, less hassle way of doing it
[22:59:30] <jbrouhard> I really don't have that many domains, but i'd prefer not to have a 24 hour "missing mail" problem
[22:59:57] <lunaphyte_> lower your ttl before making the change and your propagation will be trivial.
[23:00:08] <sysmonk> yup
[23:00:19] <sysmonk> and turning off the old mail server will hold the mails at the sender side
[23:00:24] <sysmonk> untill they see the new server
[23:00:25] <lunaphyte_> exactly.
[23:00:28] <jbrouhard> hmm
[23:00:30] <jbrouhard> good point
[23:00:35] <sysmonk> as i said, LOTS of ways :)
[23:00:59] <lunaphyte_> don't waste your time overcomplicating things.  let the system do what it was meant for.  lower the ttl and let it queue.
[23:01:13] <lunaphyte_> or, fax them to sysmonk and he can mail them to you.
[23:01:20] <jbrouhard> lol
[23:01:25] <sysmonk> yup, will sure do
[23:01:30] <sysmonk> 1$ / mail
[23:02:59] <jbrouhard> LOL
[23:03:13] <jbrouhard> i'll probably just set up the local DNS to refresh once every few minutes
[23:03:18] <jbrouhard> tbh, every time i make a change in DNS
[23:03:20] <jbrouhard> i just reboot bind
[23:03:24] <jbrouhard> instant refresh
[23:03:31] <lunaphyte_> well that's silly.
[23:03:48] <jbrouhard> ince company uses OpenDNS for external DNS, i usually see the change within 2 hours
[23:04:03] <lunaphyte_> bind reloading it's zone files have nothing to do with propagation.
[23:04:22] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: no, it has some voodoo magic!
[23:04:32] <sysmonk> when you restart bind it will connect to ALL dns servers in the world
[23:04:35] <sysmonk> and tell them about it
[23:04:40] <lunaphyte_> haha
[23:04:44] <jbrouhard> lol
[23:05:14] <sysmonk> bind has it's internal botnet, so it knows where to find its friends
[23:05:25] <lunaphyte_> yeah, i forgot about that.
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[23:14:16] <A|3x> when the system sends mail to root i get the following error in maillog: bounced (mail for ............... loops back to myself)
[23:14:22] <A|3x> any ideas?
[23:15:02] <Dantix> hi all, because I'm over dynamic IP link I need to get postfix delivering through my ISP smtp server. My problem is the ISP's sever requires authentication to relay, how can I achieve that?
[23:15:19] <cpm> !smarthost
[23:15:20] <knoba> cpm: "smarthost" : you may need to set a smarthost to send outgoing mail through your isp smtp server, add relayhost to main.cf and then restart postfix
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[23:16:01] <cpm> http://www.jimmy.co.at/weblog/?p=53
[23:16:08] <cpm> Dantix, ^^^
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[23:17:48] <vice-versa> !tell A|3x loopback
[23:17:49] <knoba> A|3x: -> "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[23:21:27] <A|3x> interesting..., thanks
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[23:22:46] <meoblast001> hi
[23:22:49] <meoblast001> ok i have 2 emails addressed to meoblast at aol dot com and i need to send them using a port higher than 7000 because my ISP blocks anything under that... how do i change the port it sends from?
[23:23:38] <Dantix> knoba: what about the authentication?
[23:23:55] <vice-versa> !sasl_client
[23:23:56] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl_client" : www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
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[23:24:21] <Dantix> knoba: thanks very much
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[23:24:46] <vice-versa> !yw
[23:24:46] <knoba> vice-versa: "yw" : you're welcome
[23:25:00] <lunaphyte> yeah, screw you vice-versa!
[23:25:06] <vice-versa> hehe
[23:25:10] <meoblast001> any one know?
[23:25:25] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: sends from?
[23:25:34] <meoblast001> postfix
[23:25:38] <vice-versa> !tell meoblast001 dynamic
[23:25:39] <knoba> meoblast001: -> "dynamic" : If your server is using a dynamic IP, (DHCP leased IP address), you should consider using your ISP's SMTP server to relay for you as many dynamically assigned IP address spaces are listed within DNSBLs reducing the likelihood of successfully delivering mail to many servers. See the !relayhost factoid. If your ISP requires SASL auth see the !sasl & !saslclient factoids
[23:25:47] <lunaphyte> are you talking about the source port?
[23:26:26] <meoblast001> this is all im doing... i did it before before i got ubuntu on my server... i have cgiemail send stuff to postfix, postfix needs to push it out at a port over 7000
[23:27:02] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure you understand how the whole "port" thing works...
[23:27:24] <meoblast001> my ISP wont let me do much on ports under 7000
[23:27:35] <meoblast001> i know you cant get incomming mail on any port except the default
[23:27:48] <meoblast001> but i know you can send on any port you want but it has to send it to a specific port
[23:28:03] <lunaphyte> mail servers listen on 25.  that's the way it is.  if your isp doesn't allow you to to talk out on port 25, you can't arbitrarily make connections to other ports and deliver mail.
[23:28:06] <jbrouhard> just use your ISP's SMTP
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[23:28:18] <meoblast001> then how did i do this before?
[23:28:19] <lunaphyte> see the factoid vice-versa offered.
[23:28:32] <meoblast001> mail comes in on port 25
[23:28:39] <meoblast001> but im quite sure it can go out on any port
[23:28:44] <jbrouhard> nope
[23:28:45] <lunaphyte> wrong.
[23:28:56] <meoblast001> so explain to me how i got this to work in the past
[23:29:03] <lunaphyte> the destination port is *always* 25
[23:29:07] <jbrouhard> smtp = Simple Mail Transport Protocol....  for inbound *AND* outbound mail
[23:29:13] <lunaphyte> how would i know?
[23:29:22] <lunaphyte> you tell us what's changed.
[23:29:23] <jbrouhard> the only thing that's different is the ports used by POP3 or even IMAP
[23:29:25] <jbrouhard> <G>
[23:29:37] * jbrouhard bets meoblast001 used ISP SMTP server...
[23:29:50] <meoblast001> haha i doubt my ISP has one lol
[23:29:52] <meoblast001> lets find out
[23:29:57] <gpled> meoblast001: your isp is blocking sending or receiving?
[23:30:00] <lunaphyte> i doubt your isp doesn't
[23:30:01] <jbrouhard> if your ISP doesn't have one, they're retards.
[23:30:12] <meoblast001> so how would i figure out my ISP's?
[23:30:23] <brd> lol
[23:30:24] <lunaphyte> ask them.
[23:30:25] <meoblast001> jbrouhard: and yes.. my ISP is retarded
[23:31:26] <lunaphyte> there is no valuable corollary between an isp being retard and presence of a relay host.
[23:31:35] <meoblast001> who wants to help me investigate?
[23:31:40] <gpled> meoblast001: i bet your isp blocks you from sending out on port 25
[23:31:42] <meoblast001> http://www.armstrongmywire.com/index.php
[23:31:54] <meoblast001> gpled: im pretty sure thats it
[23:31:58] <meoblast001> anything under 7000
[23:32:07] <meoblast001> example.. my webserver runs on 8080
[23:32:08] <gpled> 7000 sounds to high
[23:32:26] <gpled> what is the reserver limit 10xx ?
[23:32:37] <gpled> i forget. its in /etc/services
[23:32:39] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: again, you're confusing the notion of inbound vs. outbound, as well as source port vs. destination port.
[23:32:53] <meoblast001> source port
[23:33:01] <meoblast001> going out of my server right?
[23:33:04] <meoblast001> outbound
[23:33:05] <lunaphyte> < 1024 ==  "well-known"
[23:33:09] <meoblast001> its going out of my server... to the internet
[23:33:15] <gpled> lunaphyte: that look more real
[23:33:18] <meoblast001> and then into AOL
[23:33:41] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: every connection has both a source and destination port.
[23:33:53] <meoblast001> ok.. well i only want to send mail out
[23:34:04] <jbrouhard> *shakes head*
[23:34:07] <jbrouhard> good luck with this guys :)
[23:34:11] <gpled> meoblast001: they are blocking your from picking a destination port of 25
[23:34:24] <jbrouhard> i gott alog
[23:34:25] <meoblast001> they are blocking me from doing anything on ports under 7000
[23:34:31] <meoblast001> thats what they told me on the phone
[23:34:43] <gpled> meoblast001: can you go to webpages?
[23:34:51] <meoblast001> yes... thats where it confuses me
[23:35:00] <lunaphyte> sigh.
[23:35:09] <meoblast001> how i can use port 80 but my server cant run on it
[23:35:13] <gpled> because your confusing sending and receiving ports
[23:35:18] <meoblast001> nor any other port under 7000
[23:35:24] <jbrouhard> meoblast
[23:35:28] <jbrouhard> you're confusing incoming from outgoing
[23:35:29] <lunaphyte> for the third frakin' time... inbound vs. outbound.
[23:35:34] <jbrouhard> incoming, they may be alloing everything
[23:35:40] <jbrouhard> but they just won't let you send outgoing ports
[23:35:43] <lunaphyte> no, outgoing.
[23:35:50] <vice-versa> man this interwebs thing is confusing
[23:35:55] <meoblast001> yes... they wont let me send stuff
[23:35:56] <jbrouhard> heh
[23:35:58] <jbrouhard> anyway I'm out
[23:36:15] <meoblast001> cant i send FROM port 9067 to port 25 on another server?
[23:36:27] <lunaphyte> not necessarily.
[23:36:30] <gpled> meoblast001: if your server wants to send email to my server.  i listen on port 25.  dont care what port you send from
[23:36:52] <meoblast001> exactly... i need to find a way to SEND from a different port
[23:37:00] <meoblast001> but still send it TO port 25 on another server
[23:37:00] <lunaphyte> not if your isp blocks dests port 25 outbound
[23:37:08] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: it is not up to you.
[23:37:11] <meoblast001> i doubt they're that smart lol
[23:37:13] <gpled> meoblast001: if you send to another port, you will not get to talk to my server
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[23:37:22] <gpled> unless, i set it up to do that
[23:37:38] <meoblast001> how do i set mine up to send from another port?
[23:37:45] <meoblast001> i want to try it and see if it sends
[23:37:59] <lunaphyte> you MUST use a destination port of 25 to talk to another mta.  if your isp blocks that dest port outbound, it is meaningless what port you choose as a source port (which by the way, is typically random anyway).
[23:38:15] <meoblast001> yes yes... i will set my destination to 25
[23:38:15] <gpled> meoblast001: do you understand how web servers listen on port 80 ?
[23:38:23] <meoblast001> but i want to come from 9067
[23:38:36] <meoblast001> gpled: not completely
[23:39:00] <gpled> anyone know of a howto the will explain ports?
[23:39:07] <gpled> sockets :)
[23:39:11] <gpled> dont go there
[23:39:18] <vice-versa> geebus, some one have him do a telnet test already
[23:39:25] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: you cannot specify the source port with postfix.
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[23:39:54] <meoblast001> then what do i use to specify the source port? cuz i have 2 emails waiting to be sent from postfix but they just wont go
[23:39:59] <meoblast001> they are stuck in the queue
[23:39:59] <lunaphyte> however, you can dick around with programs like telnet and netcat to disprove (or prove) your theory.
[23:40:05] <lunaphyte> iptables can do it.
[23:40:17] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: use your isp's mta.
[23:40:35] <meoblast001> well.. i know i found this out before without calling them
[23:40:40] <meoblast001> so it must be somewhere onthe web then
[23:40:46] <lunaphyte> it probably is.
[23:40:51] <meoblast001> would it be the same SMTP they use with thier email service?
[23:41:00] <gpled> meoblast001: do you own the server your trying to send to?
[23:41:13] <lunaphyte> yeah, he owns aol.
[23:41:15] <meoblast001> no... im trying to send to AOL
[23:41:27] <Motoko-chan> AOL = evil
[23:41:27] <gpled> lunaphyte: lol
[23:41:39] <meoblast001> im testing it with my AOL account
[23:41:40] <vice-versa> !tell meoblast001 relayhost
[23:41:41] <knoba> meoblast001: -> "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[23:41:43] <meoblast001> im doing this for someone else
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[23:41:53] <gpled> lunaphyte: that would explain a lot, about aol :)
[23:41:54] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: what do you mean, "the same SMTP they use with thier email service"?
[23:42:03] <lunaphyte> gpled: actually, yeah, it sure would.
[23:42:09] <meoblast001> my iSP gives you a free email account
[23:42:18] <meoblast001> with their POP3 and SMTP servers
[23:42:21] <gpled> hey, i remember how to change sending port numbers !
[23:42:32] <gpled> you can do it in transport
[23:42:33] <lunaphyte> my isp gives you free gonorrhea.
[23:42:43] <meoblast001> gpled: tell me please
[23:42:50] <lunaphyte> that's not source port.
[23:43:31] <gpled> lunaphyte: yep, destination port
[23:44:31] <meoblast001> whatever.. how do i change it
[23:44:42] <vice-versa> meoblast001: use your ISP's smtp as your relay, relayhost = your.isp.smtp.tld
[23:45:00] <meoblast001> damn it i cant remember its SMTP
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[23:45:23] <gpled> /etc/postfix/transport
[23:45:29] <Motoko-chan> smtp.YOURISPDOMAIN
[23:45:31] <meoblast001> fuck fuck fuck... i only have 15 minutes damn it
[23:45:36] <meoblast001> i forgot i have to do something at 6
[23:45:46] <Motoko-chan> That almost always works except for the huge ones
[23:46:01] <lunaphyte> meoblast001: if your isp gives you a "free" email account (which all do, and most certainly isn't "free"), then whatever address they told you to put in your mail client for sending mail is their relay host.
[23:46:10] <gpled> example.com smtp:[10.0.0.2]:2525
[23:46:38] <lunaphyte> maybe you'd be better off printing out the emails and faxing them.
[23:47:04] <meoblast001> lunaphyte: we forgot it
[23:47:08] <meoblast001> we dont use theirs
[23:47:15] <meoblast001> we use AOL and stuff now
[23:47:17] <meoblast001> dang it
[23:47:35] <meoblast001> lunaphyte: are you good at finding things on websites cuz i cant find crap
[23:47:47] <lunaphyte> gtfo
[23:47:52] <lunaphyte> sure, pay me.
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[23:48:58] <lunaphyte> if i were in your shoes, and confident that it "was working before", i'd probably invest most of my effort determining "what changed".
[23:49:13] <meoblast001> im calling my ISP
[23:49:15] <meoblast001> and fast
[23:49:32] <vice-versa> meoblast001: whois your isp?
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[23:49:40] <HansTheGerman> hello
[23:49:46] <meoblast001> Armstrong Cable
[23:49:49] <lunaphyte> that's an oxymoron.
[23:49:53] <vice-versa> http://cable.agoc.com/
[23:50:10] <HansTheGerman> hey vice-versa
[23:50:18] <vice-versa> hey
[23:50:19] <HansTheGerman> JC here
[23:50:27] <Motoko-chan> http://support.agoc.com/internet/techtips.htm
[23:50:27] <HansTheGerman> id like to thank you
[23:50:33] <Motoko-chan> meoblast001, look at #4
[23:50:42] <HansTheGerman> for your help a month or two back
[23:50:46] <HansTheGerman> with the botnet
[23:50:54] <meoblast001> i just hung up
[23:50:54] <gpled> http://members.aol.com/ADAMKB/aol/mailfaq/imap/
[23:50:57] <vice-versa> HansTheGerman: ahh yeah, sure np mate
[23:51:01] <HansTheGerman> Thank you
[23:51:05] <meoblast001> so where do i put this stuff?
[23:51:08] <lunaphyte> omfg how did u find that Motoko-chan?!
[23:51:09] <lunaphyte> :p
[23:51:21] <Motoko-chan> "armstrong cable smtp"
[23:51:24] <Motoko-chan> Search for that
[23:51:35] <Motoko-chan> It seems to be a result.
[23:51:39] <meoblast001> we found it
[23:51:46] <meoblast001> where do i put it in the config
[23:51:49] <HansTheGerman> that iptable rule worked great the botnet gave up a week later LOL
[23:52:24] <vice-versa> meoblast001: does it really need repeating?
[23:52:30] <gpled> Outgoing Mail (SMTP): smtp.zoominternet.net
[23:52:38] <meoblast001> idk
[23:52:57] <HansTheGerman> anybody know where to find info regarding helo command delay in postfix
[23:53:28] <HansTheGerman> or similiar feature as sendmails greeting delay
[23:53:59] <vice-versa> HansTheGerman: great, did you get that craziness resolved with your LAN addresses too? ;)
[23:54:20] <HansTheGerman> lol no
[23:54:54] <HansTheGerman> running M$ AD some the sysadmin said we have to wait for migration before doing that LOL
[23:54:55] <meoblast001> oh no
[23:55:01] <meoblast001> /etc/postfix/transport doesnt exist
[23:55:45] <vice-versa> HansTheGerman: sad, oh well at least you can point at someone else now
[23:55:55] <meoblast001> vice-versa: is that the right file?
[23:55:56] <HansTheGerman> lol
[23:56:00] <meoblast001> why doesnt it exist
[23:57:00] <vice-versa> meoblast001: use your ISP's smtp as your relay with the following in main.cf, relayhost = your.isp.smtp.tld
[23:57:26] <vice-versa> is it smtp.zoominternet.net?
[23:57:27] <meoblast001> ok
[23:57:33] <gpled> meoblast001: many people have no need for a transport file
[23:57:34] <meoblast001> i really messed with all the port numbers in that file
[23:57:37] <meoblast001> i hope thats not a problem
[23:58:19] <gpled> meoblast001: if you need one, just make it, and call it from main.cf
[23:58:25] <meoblast001> fuck
[23:58:26] <meoblast001> fuck
[23:58:28] <meoblast001> the mail isnt sending
[23:58:30] <meoblast001> fuck
[23:58:40] <vice-versa> lol
[23:58:57] <vice-versa> now you need to requeue
[23:59:04] <meoblast001> idk what thatmeans
[23:59:23] <vice-versa> postsuper -r ALL
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[23:59:48] <gpled> i aways did /usr/sbin/postqueue -f





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