[00:00:33] <RonDamon> jaja
[00:00:39] <RonDamon> one question
[00:01:24] <RonDamon> i read this http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[00:01:30] <RonDamon> great tutorial
[00:02:25] <RonDamon> but o cant find a quota detail
[00:02:48] <RonDamon> how i can do to work with quotas?
[00:05:46] <A|3x> i get the following message in maillog: amavis[21496]: (21496-04) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket /var/run/clamav/clamd: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)
[00:05:58] <A|3x> any ideas?
[00:06:10] <A|3x> clamd is running
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[00:15:30] <Danskmand> Hi :-) - What is the name of the configfile for spamassassin ?
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[00:22:31] <A|3x> its in /etc/mail/spamassassin/ on my system
[00:22:42] <Trengo> local.cf
[00:22:49] <Trengo> also check *.pre
[00:26:30] <vice-versa> and review perldoc Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf
[00:27:06] <Trengo> good point
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[00:29:06] <gpled> amavis/clamav permissions can be a little tricky, make sure what program is running as what user, and what the chmods are for the folders
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[00:41:46] <A|3x> it should have been /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid and now i get connection refused
[00:41:56] <xpeed> there is some way to get a postfix + imap + pop3 server work all thogueter with a web interface wich allows to mail users change their passwords, setup teir mailbnoxes and that actualy the whole system works as one?
[00:42:18] <A|3x> amavis user is part of clamav group
[00:44:23] <xpeed> i'll take that like a "not possible" xD
[00:44:46] <vice-versa> xpeed: yes, we call them mail service providers
[00:45:01] <xpeed> ah oks
[00:45:03] <xpeed> thx
[00:47:15] <xpeed> the usual postfix configuration is directed to works with mail client programs like mutt or thunder bird, right?
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[00:50:48] <vice-versa> not sure what you're trying to ask xpeed
[00:51:33] <xpeed> yeah my english sucks xd
[00:51:50] <vice-versa> you do realize postfix is a MTA right?
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[00:54:28] <xpeed> yes
[00:56:09] <xpeed> what i was trying to ask is, that the original porpouse (i can't remember the right sintax for this word, objective) was to work with a client mail program for end users, not web interfaces & stuff
[00:57:10] <xpeed> mail client programs * xD
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[00:58:09] <Orchun> hello
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[00:58:34] <Orchun> i wondered to know, if i send 50000 mails every day will i get listed on spam databases?
[00:58:46] <Orchun> if so, what can be done to prevent this
[00:58:58] <xpeed> some one of you guys use Horde like a web interface for postfix?
[01:00:04] <vice-versa> xpeed: postfix will accept mail from MUAs if that's what you're asking
[01:00:11] <Orchun> openwebmail i am using
[01:00:20] <Orchun> MUS?
[01:00:24] <Orchun> MUA?
[01:00:29] <Orchun> what does it mean?
[01:00:32] <xpeed> openwebmail?
[01:00:36] <xpeed> Mail user agent
[01:00:37] <vice-versa> !mua
[01:00:37] <knoba> vice-versa: "mua" : Mail User Agent: software used for mail message retrieval, commonly known as an email client, such as mutt, Evolution and Thunderbird
[01:00:47] <Orchun> yes openwebmail i have been using several years
[01:00:51] <xpeed> i know that it works with mail user agents xd
[01:01:07] <xpeed> but nevermind just forget  what i wrote
[01:01:18] <xpeed> i couldn't make me understand
[01:01:21] <xpeed> xD
[01:01:28] <vice-versa> or me ;)
[01:01:29] <xpeed> srry about my painfull grammar
[01:01:38] <Orchun> knoba: i am asking that, we are sending 50000 advertising emails nearly every day from our oracle database generated sources
[01:01:55] <vice-versa> !bot
[01:01:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "bot" : The bot 'knoba' resides here to learn and tell about factoids. See http://workaround.org/f=postfix for the list of currently supported factoids.
[01:02:12] <vice-versa> !factoid
[01:02:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[01:02:18] <Orchun> :)
[01:02:29] <Orchun> vice-versa:i am asking that, we are sending 50000 advertising emails nearly every day from our oracle database generated sources
[01:02:45] <Motoko-chan> Orchun, if the users are opt-in, then you are safer.
[01:02:59] <Motoko-chan> However, there is always a chance of getting on a list when you send any mail.
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[01:03:25] <Motoko-chan> Just monitor bounces and check error messages on those (particuarly 5xx errors) to keep an eye on things.
[01:03:48] <Motoko-chan> Then check openrbl.org monthly to see if you are blacklisted on any of the major lists.
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[01:04:21] <vice-versa> 50000 advertising emails
[01:04:22] * vice-versa shudders
[01:04:38] <Orchun> isn't there any solution like reformarting headers or anything else?
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[01:04:55] <Orchun> reformating*
[01:05:00] <vice-versa> now now, that's spammer speak
[01:05:43] <Orchun> sorry but i am not a spammer
[01:05:53] <Orchun> we just wanted to inform our customers
[01:06:09] <vice-versa> then you should have nothing to worry about
[01:06:12] <Orchun> they are our customers, so they have accepted our policy to receive emails from us
[01:06:25] <Orchun> but many of them are using free mail services like hotmail
[01:06:34] <vice-versa> just by being a customer?
[01:06:49] <Orchun> why not?
[01:07:05] <Orchun> it's their need to inform about news and new services
[01:07:08] <Orchun> isn't it?
[01:07:18] <vice-versa> not if they don't want it
[01:07:25] <Orchun> then why would they check the checkbox when signing up?
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[01:07:41] <Trengo> they didnt know they'd get one a day
[01:07:52] <Orchun> it's not 1 a day
[01:07:58] <Orchun> may be 1 per week
[01:08:14] <Trengo> "nearly every day" becomes one a week?
[01:08:32] <Orchun> nearly every day means at least 1 per day
[01:08:37] <Orchun> pardon
[01:08:43] <Orchun> not more than 1 per day
[01:09:03] <Orchun> because if you have 10 news then you do not send them seperate
[01:09:05] <Trengo> isnt that a lot for company announcements?
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[01:09:20] <Orchun> pardon but i said may be
[01:09:31] <Trengo> i mean, i do that, i send a monthly newsletter to unwilling customers
[01:09:38] <Trengo> they have to read it :s
[01:09:59] <vice-versa> well if that was all clearly outlined, and they actually had to opt-in, (double opt-in would be better), then have at it
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[01:11:26] <Orchun> ok, sorry for bothering you, i was just asked something to clear it but i fell down on an unneded conversation
[01:11:36] <Orchun> unneeded*
[01:11:48] <Orchun> sory for my bad english aswell
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[01:12:56] <vice-versa> hehe
[01:13:01] <vice-versa> beat it
[01:13:19] <Trengo> spammers know better than that
[01:13:50] <Trengo> on the other hand, i've seen lately big companies using spamming systems
[01:15:24] <vice-versa> yup, that's usually the result of management and marketing making such decisions despite warnings from IT
[01:16:09] <michelin> i have a problem setting transport_maps from master.cf on postfix 2.5.5, it seems to be completely ignored master.cf looks like the following (as in described in http://www.postfix.org/master.5.html): "smtp inet n - y - - smtpd -o transport_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/transport". /etc/postfix/transport has simply a default transport set: "* smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10031". "localhost ~$ postmap -q '*' /etc/postfix/transport" outputs "smtp:[127.0.0.1]:1
[01:16:09] <michelin> 0031".
[01:16:31] <michelin> if i set transport_maps from main.cf, everything works as expected BUT i can't set it from there since i need different transport maps for different instances of postfix. i tried with chroot=n for smtpd, no success either. everything has worked previously but i have not been able to reproduce that, it was on an earlier version, but even with downgrading tests failed. logs don't show any errors/warnings etc., strace'ing the smtpd process di
[01:16:31] <michelin> dn't help no further. it seems like no transport setting works from master.cf, e.g. '-o local_transport=error:expected_error' shows no effect, too. other settings from master.cf like '-o mail_name=thanks_wietse' just work fine. setting a default transport map from main.cf and then overwriting it for a special instance also didn't succeed. anyone an idea what might be wrong or any steps to do further diagnosis?
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[02:42:00] <bkw> Is it possible to rewrite the Sender: address in a mail header when received from a specific host?
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[03:22:43] <A|3x> i get the following line in my mail log:  amavis[4812]: (04812-08) ClamAV-clamd: Can't send to socket /var/run/clamav/clamd.pid: Transport endpoint is not connected, retrying (1)
[03:23:26] <A|3x> i have in amavisd.conf:  $daemon_user  = "amavis"
[03:24:03] <A|3x> amavis user is in my clamav group
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[03:28:54] <A|3x> any ideas?
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[03:37:29] <vice-versa> A|3x: is clamd running?
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[03:59:48] <RomanaMentalis> Hello all, I am running a Gutsy Ubuntu "perfect server" with Ispconfig and postfix - I am trying to install a SSL certificate for my domain that I purchased from GoDaddy but it is failing.  Anybody here have any experience with Ispconfig & SSL or can point me to somewhere to look?
[04:01:22] <vice-versa> failing how?
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[04:03:29] <vice-versa> RomanaMentalis: one of the common issues seen here with certs is postfix cannot work with encrypted private key pem certs
[04:05:10] <vice-versa> the postfix tls readme may be of some help for you as well
[04:05:14] <vice-versa> !tls_readme
[04:05:15] <knoba> vice-versa: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[04:05:50] <enderst> was trying to get relaying setup for a domain and now have email sitting in their maildir/new is there a way to resend/queue them so the server forwards them on? i have the relay working.
[04:08:28] <vice-versa> enderst: no easy way I know of, how many are we talking about?
[04:09:38] <enderst> 87
[04:09:48] <vice-versa> :(
[04:09:50] <enderst> for one user, i'm sure there are more
[04:10:13] <RomanaMentalis> thank you I will take a look
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[04:11:35] <enderst> vice-versa: would be nice to just move them to deferred and be done with it
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[04:12:22] <vice-versa> enderst: what I'm thinking you can try is cat an existing msg into the sendmail emulation binary using -t
[04:14:58] <enderst> hmm, will that hit the cc addresses also? hope not
[04:15:46] <vice-versa> dunno, you'll have to experiment with it first
[04:16:18] <vice-versa> I've done this many times with messages stuck in the deferred because of recipient domain typos etc.
[04:17:02] <vice-versa> cat msg | sendmail -t -f sender at example dot com
[04:21:23] <enderst> hmm
[04:23:07] <enderst> so i need to set the sender address?
[04:24:37] <vice-versa> yes else the envelope sender will be the local user used to make the local submission
[04:25:04] <enderst> gahhhh, ok thanks
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[04:26:39] <vice-versa> enderst: if you're any good with scripting you could parse the messages for the recipient and sender addresses then do ... | sendmail -f $SNDR $RCPT
[04:28:20] <enderst> so if -t isn't specified it takes the last address?
[04:28:30] <vice-versa> yes
[04:28:40] <enderst> cool, should be ab easy script
[04:28:59] <vice-versa> ;)
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[04:29:52] <vice-versa> enderst: the -t causes sendmail to extract recipients from message headers
[04:30:15] <enderst> gotcha, just read that
[04:30:43] <vice-versa> normally the last parameter is interpreted to be the recipient address
[04:30:53] <enderst> maybe i'll just use -t and shrug if anyone complains about duplicates
[04:31:00] <vice-versa> hehe
[04:32:01] <enderst> server crashed last week and i restored from backups to a new server. just silly issues to deal with now.
[04:32:30] <vice-versa> ouch, disk(s)?
[04:32:43] <enderst> yepper disks croaked
[04:33:33] <enderst> almost 100 domains
[04:33:46] <vice-versa> well at least you had backups, kudos for having at least that to work with
[04:34:19] <enderst> heh, wouldn't be if we didn't since provide an offsite service ;)
[04:34:29] <enderst> wouldb't be good
[04:34:38] <vice-versa> indeed
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[05:23:15] <sahil> enderst: gotta keep two concurrent setups so you can just switch on the fly with a flip of DNS.
[05:23:34] <enderst> hehe
[05:24:10] <enderst> well, both sides of the mirror wasn't supposed to die
[05:24:52] <vice-versa> but sometimes it does in fact do just that
[05:24:59] <enderst> yeah
[05:25:05] <vice-versa> but raid!=backup
[05:25:24] <enderst> nope was plus backup ;)
[05:26:03] <vice-versa> which saved your ass, or if nothing else your time
[05:26:54] <enderst> yepper
[05:27:08] <enderst> luckily small domains. 2-25 per
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[05:38:22] <enderst> well that was fun, thanks vice-versa
[05:38:31] <vice-versa> worked?
[05:39:12] <vice-versa> enderst: what method did you use in the end?
[05:39:37] <enderst> mkdir done; for i in *.*; do cat $i | sendmail -t -f username at example dot com; mv $i done/; sleep 3; done
[05:40:11] <vice-versa> great
[05:41:43] <vice-versa> enderst: did it cause any duplicates that your were concerned about?
[05:41:49] <enderst> heh yep
[05:41:54] <vice-versa> hehe
[05:42:20] <vice-versa> damn them mta gremlins ;)
[05:42:52] <enderst> not really dups i guess but did send then to the other recipients
[05:43:25] <vice-versa> dupes for them
[05:43:56] <enderst> hehe, kind of like a reply all
[05:44:30] <enderst> i used the intended recipient as the -f
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[05:53:23] <vice-versa> hehe, was looking over some spamtrap reports from the weekend and someone injected a humorous comment
[05:53:28] <vice-versa> 246 BW Botswanna # Oh the irony!
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[05:55:02] <enderst> vice-versa: a little 'postqueue -f' and remove the one that tried to send/recieve outside our domains from deferred with pfqueue, we'll see how it shakes out tomorrow.
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[06:04:36] <enderst> vice-versa: thanks for your help
[06:04:43] <vice-versa> np mate
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[06:38:08] <inflex> hiya everyone
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[06:55:55] <inflex> hi there f3ew
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[07:15:51] <MaxeyPad> How can I configure an internal sendmail (actually postfix) open relay to relay from any host on the intenral lan (192.168.1.0/24) to ANY host on the Internet.
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[07:16:28] <MaxeyPad> technically all the from domains will be the same but that will be specified from the client. Its to basically act as a box to send mail from while we switch their mail servers over.
[07:18:21] <f3ew> add the ip range to mynetworks
[07:18:24] <f3ew> !mynetworks
[07:18:25] <knoba> f3ew: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[07:21:01] <MaxeyPad> So there is a real email server on the Internet for this domain, I just want ot use this box as the gateway to the Internet. this box will know how to send email from the internal relay then to the Internet email server for htis domain (lets say mydomain.com) and it won't try to locally deliver mail even if that username exists on the system right?
[07:22:37] <roe_> where do the mail stores live?
[07:24:30] <roe_> I take that back, doesn't matter.  If all this is going to be doing, is unquestionably relaying mail, may I ask what the point is of it?
[07:25:09] <f3ew> roe_, it's purely a smarthostr
[07:25:12] <f3ew> !standard
[07:25:12] <knoba> f3ew: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[07:25:18] <f3ew> MaxeyPad read hat
[07:26:02] <inflex> *yay* my application works
[07:26:33] <roe_> but a smarthost generally is the upstream mailserver, due to port limitations and such
[07:27:10] <roe_> it sounds like he is able to forward to the "real" mailserver
[07:33:34] <MaxeyPad> right
[07:33:36] <MaxeyPad> I can do that
[07:34:56] <MaxeyPad> I just need to be able to get mail from their network clients to the Internet and let the primary mail server sort out the accounts for the users in their domain and forward the rest of the mail on to  external hosts.
[07:41:12] <f3ew> inflex yay
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[08:16:31] <BuenGenio> morning
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[08:27:02] <lambda> morning
[08:27:19] <lambda> my host warn me my present postfix+amavis+clamav+SA+pipermail+mysqld config is going to move on a more reliable hardware platform and run through the xen virtual server.
[08:27:33] <lambda> do someone already experiment this kind of migration ?
[08:27:45] <lambda> can you provide me advice or point me out to link for succeeding this in softness?
[08:30:34] <lambda> !migration
[08:30:35] <knoba> lambda: Error: "migration" is not a valid command.
[08:31:02] <inflex> lambda: mmm
[08:31:18] <inflex> lambda: I did a Slackware 10 -> VirtualBox migration (to Ubuntu)
[08:31:30] <inflex> was a bit painful to say the least, in some ways it's easier to just start from scratch again :(
[08:31:53] <lambda> ok
[08:32:02] <inflex> At least with Postfix you won't be hamstrung with too many distro-specific aspects
[08:32:24] <inflex> My system was a Sendmail-milter-Xamime system and the sendmail part caused some real pain
[08:32:48] <Motoko-chan> inflex, qmail + vpopmail would probably have been worse.
[08:33:03] <inflex> ( in fact, such is my discontent with the distribution's dreadful consistency with sendmail setups that I'm seriously considering making this new commercial email attachment/disclaimer system of mine Postfix only
[08:33:13] * Motoko-chan likes Slackware
[08:33:20] <inflex> Well, Motoko-chan, I won't argue agains that - qmail alone is ... I think I should stop before I rant
[08:33:40] * Motoko-chan has ranted out loud to no one many times
[08:33:42] <inflex> Slackware is nice, yes - though lately I've moved to Ubuntu for systems that I need to setup more complicated things with
[08:33:58] <Motoko-chan> I find Slackware easier to handle complex stuff.
[08:34:12] <Motoko-chan> Ubuntu wants to do too many things in the way it thinks they should be done
[08:34:15] <inflex> Motoko-chan: depends if the software can be built for it, I used SW from about 1996
[08:34:29] <Motoko-chan> I can build plenty on it.
[08:34:32] <inflex> Motoko-chan: Ubuntu Workstaiton/desktop is bad... but server is quite nice.
[08:34:38] * inflex was very surprised.
[08:34:47] <inflex> but it's still a maze compared to Slackware
[08:35:04] <Motoko-chan> Except for PAM stuff, but mostly because I just haven't bothered to package PAM for it.
[08:35:04] <inflex> One thing I'll give Ubuntu kudo's for though is being sane enough to let us have /etc/rc.local
[08:35:16] <Motoko-chan> ?
[08:35:24] <Motoko-chan> /etc/rc.d/rc.local too long to type?
[08:35:36] <inflex> sorry, I mean to say some distros don't even let you have a rc.local
[08:35:41] <Motoko-chan> Ah.
[08:35:47] <inflex> instead they whine on about how it's "poor form"
[08:36:04] <inflex> personally, I much prefer rc.local's because then you can change the entire init tree and still have your personal tweaks preserved
[08:36:05] <Motoko-chan> If you are going to use Ubuntu Server, might as well use straight Debian
[08:36:36] <inflex> Ah well, system is all installed and running now - not going to touch it for another 5 years :D
[08:36:50] <inflex> Ubuntu server host running Ubuntu server guest
[08:37:12] <inflex> Still, I need to stop chattering so much... must go work on this new postfix software
[08:37:52] <Motoko-chan> I still have one or two Slackware 10.2 servers.
[08:37:54] <lambda> thx thx for feedback
[08:37:59] <Motoko-chan> Anything older got rebuilt
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[09:50:55] <lambda> quick question: could greylisting behind a gateway (a smtpd relay server) be harmful ?
[09:53:03] <lambda> i notice the IP address of the connecting host is always the same (the one of the relay) and i assume it's a quite normal
[09:53:26] <lambda> but someone tell me it should be avoided ?
[09:53:33] <lambda> wht do you think about that ?
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[10:01:38] <f3ew> lambda, greylisting is designed to be used on the MX, once you have accepted it, it doesn't matter much
[10:04:33] <lambda> so i don't have to worry to greylist even if it occured at downstream behind the primary MX postfix relay ?
[10:05:52] <lambda> sorry for insistance but it 's my boss who warn me i do blood and fire
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[10:06:49] <f3ew> lambda, you only greylist at the box which accepts connections from the world
[10:06:56] <f3ew> Post that, you gain nothing
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[10:08:10] <Roobarb> in fact, greylisting on a box that only sees mail from a handful of IP addresses does precicely nothing
[10:09:35] <lambda> thx
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[10:51:40] <kexman> f3ew: my hero :) thank you
[10:51:41] <kexman> i missed that
[10:51:44] <kexman> i think
[10:51:55] <kexman> default = 0 = no warning ?
[10:52:06] <kexman> To enable this feature, specify a non-zero time value (an integral value plus an optional one-letter suffix that specifies the time unit).
[10:52:10] <kexman> dinnggg
[10:52:13] <kexman> f3ew: thank you very much really !
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[10:56:42] <kexman> f3ew: where does it gets this : It will be retried until it is 0 day(s) old.
[10:56:43] <kexman> this 0days
[10:58:37] <f3ew> maximal_queue_lifetime perhaps?
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[12:00:54] <weedar> I need to be able to delete messages according to how long they have been in the queue. Can someone point me in the right direction?
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[12:02:56] <Trengo> qtool.pl
[12:03:01] <Trengo> ups sorry
[12:03:21] <cpm> they will delete themselves or bounce if they can't be delivered if you just leave it alone.
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[12:25:08] <jduggan> wtfs
[12:25:09] <jduggan> :O
[12:32:08] <shasta> crapnode
[12:32:43] <sysmonk> nope
[12:32:45] <sysmonk> freecrap
[12:32:46] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:35:13] <jelly> I like crapnode betterer
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[12:39:20] <szonek>  Sep 30 10:30:56 smtp1 postfix/smtpd[76356]: sql_select option missing
[12:39:23] <szonek> Sep 30 10:30:56 smtp1 postfix/smtpd[76356]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available
[12:39:25] <sysmonk> don't paste here
[12:39:26] <szonek> Sep 30 10:30:56 smtp1 postfix/smtpd[76356]: _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql
[12:39:30] <szonek> could you please tell me what's going on?
[12:39:30] <sysmonk> use a pastebin
[12:39:32] <szonek> okay, sorry
[12:39:52] * sysmonk kicks shasta
[12:40:02] <sysmonk> shasta: control your neighbours! :)
[12:41:07] <szonek> http://pastebin.com/m1ebd4c32
[12:41:11] <szonek> could you please help me?
[12:41:24] <sysmonk> szonek: sasl problem
[12:41:58] <szonek> yes i know, i'm trying to run it in chrooted env on FreeBSD 7.0 with mysql support..
[12:42:34] <sysmonk> weeeee
[12:42:35] <sysmonk> !sasl
[12:42:36] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[12:42:55] <sysmonk> quote from that link: " To run software chrooted with SASL support is an interesting exercise. It probably is not worth the trouble."
[12:42:57] <szonek> i have cyrus installed
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[12:44:55] <mojobo> Hi, at the moment I pipe all mails thru the spamassassin section in master.conf, but the problem is that we will implement more services (eg. autoreply, maildrop and such). My question is: How can I do this the easiest way? Would it be possible to create a batch script that handles all services, and pipe all e-mails thru that script?
[12:45:04] <shasta> _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql => in simple words "I can't load libsql.so"
[12:45:26] <sysmonk> mojobo: didn't you already ask that question?
[12:45:40] <mojobo> Yes, but I did not get any reply.
[12:46:00] <sysmonk> can't you go to the other room, where Wietse is, and ask him ? :) *me looks at the cloack*
[12:46:00] <mojobo> Might have forgotten to read a reply, if there was any.
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[12:46:36] <mojobo> I'm not following you? :)
[12:46:56] <sysmonk> mojobo: Wietse, the creator of postfix, work(s|d) in IBM
[12:47:07] <f3ew> Wietse works at IBM research
[12:47:45] <mojobo> Ah ;-)
[12:48:04] <szonek> shasta: mhm, but libsql.so is present in a /usr/local/lib/sasl2/
[12:48:09] <mojobo> Won't ask the creator of postfix for advice on this question thoght ;)
[12:48:09] <f3ew> mojobo, you can do it any way you like|want|need
[12:48:15] <ray__> hello, i have a problem, i have spamassassin running, but i do not want to use the standard "smtp" transport, which invokes the spamassassin, beeing used if i connect from localhost (127.0.0.1) ... how can i accomplish that in postfix?
[12:48:19] <sysmonk> szonek: in CHROOT /usr/local/lib/sasl2/ ?
[12:48:26] <szonek> sysmonk: yes
[12:48:32] <f3ew> szonek, then is /usr/local/lib/sasl2/ in your ld.conf ?
[12:48:39] <mojobo> f3ew: Well, would it be possible to do that way? Pipe all mails thru a script, and from there run the e-mail thru different services?
[12:48:48] <f3ew> mojobo yes
[12:48:52] <mojobo> ..and then pipe back to MTA.
[12:49:31] <mojobo> f3ew: Alright - will try that.
[12:50:53] <ray__> basically, i just want to create a new transport (like, smtp2 ...) and to use this transport if i am coming from 127.0.0.1 ... my company send's newsletters to approx. 7.000 clients and with the spamassassin it takes me about 2 seconds or more for each message ...
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[12:58:08] <mojobo> f3ew: I did a script that runs /etc/postfix/services.sh, and piped all mails thru that script. My question now is how I pipe back the email to the MTA.-
[12:58:43] <jduggan> any brits here rejecting virgin media smtp customers because they've outsourced to a company without reverse DNS??
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[13:05:26] <xpoint> jduggan, 42
[13:06:08] <xpoint> jduggan, i find facebook worse then missing reverse dns
[13:06:56] * cpm rejects mail from mx hosts with no reverse dns.
[13:07:06] <cpm> jduggan, what is the mx host in question?
[13:07:39] <xpoint> mx host is not reverse
[13:08:36] <Hyperi> xpoint: foo.bar has MX for bar.foo, if bar.foo doesn't have reverse IP
[13:10:10] <jduggan> cpm: it's a SMTP relay - i'm trying to find out, but the whole /24 doesnt have reverse delegation configured - major booboo by the looks
[13:10:15] <jduggan> cpm: i can msg you the IP if you want :)
[13:10:31] <cpm> umm, sure.
[13:10:42] <jduggan> cpm: looks like VM have outsourced their SMTP
[13:10:43] * cpm wonders why folks think that IPs have to be secrets
[13:10:52] <jduggan> i've probably had 20 complaints
[13:10:59] <lunaphyte_> grumble
[13:11:00] <jduggan> Ok, well i dont like to badmouth fellow admins
[13:11:01] <jduggan> ;]
[13:11:12] <jduggan> but 64.99.136.180/24
[13:11:15] <cpm> if they are fsck'ups, they kinda have it coming.
[13:11:18] <jduggan> 180 was the last one
[13:11:21] <jduggan> but the whole /24
[13:12:22] <cpm> that's a /16, and it belongs to tucows. I rest my case.
[13:12:40] <cpm> actually, it's a /14
[13:12:52] <cpm> 64.96.0.0/14
[13:12:55] <cpm> tucows
[13:13:02] <cpm> that should explain it all.
[13:13:06] <cpm> so, bad mouth away.
[13:14:16] <cpm> Too bad for those customers of vm.
[13:14:17] <mojobo> Anyone: I've piped all my mails thru /etc/postfix/handle.sh and I wish to pipe the e-mail back to the MTA - how can I do that?
[13:15:05] <sysmonk> mojobo: sendmail
[13:15:24] <sysmonk> sendmail(1) even
[13:16:31] <mojobo> Do you know which arguments I shall use? I know that I tried sendmail before, but the e-mail where stuck in a loop (since I transfered it back to the start point of the MTA)
[13:16:40] <cpm> jduggan, http://www.fixedorbit.com/cgi-bin/cgiip.exe?Machine=64.99.136.180&submit=Search
[13:17:04] <sysmonk> mojobo: how do you pipe the mails to your shell script?
[13:17:18] <mojobo> sec.
[13:17:50] <mojobo> services     unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[13:17:50] <mojobo>     flags=O user=nobody argv=/etc/postfix/handle.sh ${sender} ${recipient}
[13:17:50] <mojobo> smtp      inet  n       -       -       -       -       smtpd
[13:17:50] <mojobo>         -o content_filter=services
[13:18:24] <mojobo> That's the one I'm using now, and the handle.sh just contain a logging function at the moment - just to try. But I wish to send the mail back after I'm done in the script, to the MTA.
[13:18:33] <mojobo> I guess you understand :)
[13:18:53] <sysmonk> yes, just next time use a pastebin.
[13:19:09] <mojobo> Will do.
[13:19:15] <jduggan> cpm: yea, already saiud they use tucows :)
[13:19:19] <sysmonk> mojobo: re-injecting the mail using sendmail should work fine, as your current pipe handler is in smtpd
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[13:19:28] <jduggan> cpm: oh wait, i said they outsourced but didnt say who :P
[13:19:34] <cpm> yup.,
[13:19:41] <cpm> anyway, too bad for them.
[13:19:41] <sysmonk> when you re-inject using sendmail (pickup/maildrop) then you'll omit the content_filter
[13:19:58] <jduggan> cpm: heh, have you heard of VM? they're 2nd largest ISP in the UK
[13:20:06] <jduggan> cpm: so yea, too bad ;)
[13:20:30] <mojobo> sysmonk: Just need to find out how I do re-inject the mail.
[13:20:41] <cpm> large only means lots of money, doesn't mean shite when it comes to common sense/good practices. In fact, , well, we'll just leave that be.
[13:20:47] <sysmonk> mojobo: repeating myself: sendmail(1)
[13:21:03] <sysmonk> cpm: woot? where ?! where's lots of money?! :)
[13:21:15] <cpm> in the corner office at vm.
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[13:21:23] <cpm> that's where it usually is anyway.
[13:21:28] <sysmonk> cpm: btw, about apple vine - i don't know if i can call it cider, in our country cider is some low-alcohol drink
[13:21:28] <mojobo> sysmonk: I'm reading the manual
[13:21:30] <mojobo> :)
[13:21:36] <sysmonk> and apple vine is kinda high alcohol
[13:21:45] <sysmonk> 15+ %
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[13:22:45] <cpm> sysmonk, good 'hard' cider usually starts to proof out at somewhere around nothing (like a light beer) and then becomes undrinkable, then you let it go ahead and freeze, and in december, you punch through the ice to the part that isn't frozen, which usually proofs out around 70 or so. quite drinkable. :)
[13:23:16] <mojobo> sysmonk: 'sendmail -bm' seems to be the one I'm looking for, hmm.
[13:23:18] <cpm> but putting it into a vine process is interesting.
[13:23:19] <sysmonk> cpm: hmmm. interesting
[13:23:23] <jelly> please convert to alc. percentage?
[13:23:29] <sysmonk> cpm: yeah
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[13:23:48] <sysmonk> cpm: http://www.fw.lt/2008/09/29/trying-to-brew-some-home-vine/ <<<--- that's how it looked yesterday
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[13:24:10] <mojobo> sysmonk: Hmm, "read mail from standard input" - hmm, the only I get into the script is ${sender} and ${recipient}, as it's parsed via the script.
[13:24:17] <mojobo> damn, I don't really know how to solve this :/
[13:24:37] <jduggan> cpm: in my experience the larger consumer ISPs dont have piles of cash, everything is mortgaged and they have a net worth of nothing ;]
[13:24:39] <sysmonk> mojobo: mail should be given to you as STDIN
[13:24:41] <jduggan> cpm: certainly in the UK.. :P
[13:24:53] <mojobo> sysmonk: How do I read the stdin? :|
[13:25:03] <mojobo> never done that
[13:25:09] <sysmonk> mojobo: time for #sh #bash #perl #whateveryouuse ?
[13:25:23] <sysmonk> in perl it's just as while (<STDIN>)
[13:25:35] <mojobo> in bash?
[13:25:39] <mojobo> I try google it
[13:25:45] <sysmonk> i don't use bashhhhh :)
[13:25:49] <sysmonk> but read 'read' manuala
[13:25:51] <sysmonk> manual*
[13:26:26] <mojobo> /dev/stdin works fine.
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[13:32:51] <cpm> jduggan, that's because the folks in the corner offices keep it all.
[13:33:07] <cpm> there really is no point in being a big isp
[13:35:47] <jduggan> nod
[13:36:36] <f3ew> jelly 200 proof == 100% alcohol
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[13:45:10] <Ramattack> Hi!!
[13:45:16] <Ramattack> I had one little question mates...
[13:45:42] 
[13:46:18] <xpoint> first wins yes
[13:46:50] <Ramattack> sorry mate?
[13:46:56] <Ramattack> what do u mean?
[13:47:01] <Ramattack> oh no
[13:47:03] <Ramattack> I mean
[13:47:08] <xpoint> but how did you configure 2 diff transports ?
[13:47:46] <Ramattack> I want a copy of all mail of one domain to arrive to another smtp server accepting mail for that domain too...
[13:48:09] <Ramattack> with this I want to achieve the goal of having two different mail servers with the same incoming mail
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[13:48:34] <xpoint> recipient_bcc_maps, with transport to the other server, hmm loop
[13:49:23] <xpoint> unless the other server recieve on another port
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[13:50:02] <Ramattack> but using the same domain in the other server?
[13:50:03] <xpoint> where this map is mapped out to not being applyed
[13:50:15] <Ramattack> the fact of listen in another won't be a problem...
[13:50:27] <Ramattack> I can configure an smtp transport on the other machine... listening on any port
[13:50:34] <Ramattack> sorry an smtp server I meant
[13:50:42] <xpoint> dns round robin ?
[13:51:03] <xpoint> how is dns for this domain ?
[13:51:49] <Ramattack> no round robin
[13:51:56] <xpoint> why not ?
[13:52:12] <Ramattack> because that could take you some mails to one server and another ones to the other
[13:52:22] <xpoint> and ?
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[13:52:48] <Ramattack> I want to have exactly the same number of messages in A than on B
[13:52:55] <xpoint> so why the transports ?
[13:53:00] <Ramattack> are two different mailbox machines
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[13:53:24] <xpoint> how should it work for endusers ?
[13:53:36] <Ramattack> imagine I want that mail for @aaaa.com to arrive to two smtp servers
[13:53:42] <Ramattack> the users only use one of them
[13:53:52] <Ramattack> and when one fails... starts using the other
[13:53:55] <xpoint> bad praktise
[13:54:11] <Ramattack> but it's the most similar to real time redundancy
[13:54:46] <xpoint> you want one mta, with 2 lda, or one mta with one lda that use clustered storage
[13:55:18] <xpoint> dbmail is for you then
[13:56:06] <xpoint> postfix deliver to dbmail, dbmail make the copy to 2 sql servers, for the end users there is just one pop3 still
[13:56:17] <memic> is it possible to accept mails if postgrey is not reachable?
[13:56:31] <Ramattack> but I can't store mail in sql
[13:56:35] <xpoint> memic, nope
[13:56:41] <Ramattack> mmmm
[13:56:44] <Ramattack> well anyway
[13:56:54] <Ramattack> I'll look again all :)
[13:56:58] <Ramattack> thanks a lot xpoint :)
[13:57:15] <xpoint> Ramattack, it does not need to be sql, i say clustered storeage :)
[13:57:22] <Ramattack> Oh
[13:57:24] <Ramattack> I see...
[13:57:28] <memic> xpoint thx
[13:57:36] <Ramattack> mmmm not possible too are in different geographical places
[13:58:05] <xpoint> Ramattack, you get alot of fun out of it :)
[13:58:34] <Ramattack> :) I'll check but I think it's not possible :)
[13:58:41] <Ramattack> thanks a lot!!!!
[13:58:44] <Ramattack> bye mate!!
[13:58:49] <xpoint> we are not running windows :)
[13:59:01] <Ramattack> we don't too :=
[13:59:03] <Ramattack> :)
[13:59:20] <xpoint> see more into dbmail one more time
[13:59:51] <Ramattack> ok I'll do it really... bye!!!
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[14:24:38] <loompek> hi...
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[14:29:11] <loompek> http://pastebin.com/d581666ca
[14:29:14] <loompek> any ideas?
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[14:29:36] <loompek> or is my interpretation of transport table, master.cf all wrong :S
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[14:34:45] <xpoint> beers to the channel would be fine with me :)
[14:34:57] <cpm> BoIP?
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[14:36:35] <c4stro> hello, i have a question about postfix, my mail server get a lot of spam from unknown IPs , how can i rejected this connection?
[14:36:57] <xpoint> loompek, nope its not wroung, but you miss transport map still in main for it
[14:37:02] <taec> what criteria do you want to reject it on?
[14:37:10] <taec> the fact that it has no DNS / rDNS ?
[14:37:19] <c4stro> no rDNS
[14:37:42] <xpoint> reject_unknown_client
[14:37:52] <xpoint> !basic
[14:37:53] <knoba> xpoint: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[14:38:17] <c4stro> ok thx
[14:38:36] <xpoint> /^unknown$/ REJECT
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[14:38:58] <xpoint> in smtpd_client_restrictions
[14:39:14] <xpoint> with a pcre map
[14:39:34] <vice-versa> be prepared to whitelist
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[14:39:40] <xpoint> oh well beer mode
[14:41:06] <xpoint> its senders responsible to have reverse dns up, newer recipients fauls to make work around it
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[14:41:53] <vice-versa> where in rfc's do you see where rDNS is required?
[14:42:01] <jduggan> 1918
[14:42:05] <jduggan> 2.1
[14:42:08] <jduggan> \o/
[14:42:14] <vice-versa> anyhow, reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname would be better for no rRDS
[14:42:26] <jduggan> 1912*
[14:42:31] <jduggan> mot 18
[14:42:33] <jduggan> not*
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[14:43:31] <xpoint> if all users/admins know there rfc's this channel could go into beer mode :)))
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[14:56:58] <vice-versa> !tell loompek obvious
[14:56:58] <knoba> loompek: -> "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
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[15:10:24] <googlah> beer around? 8)
[15:11:27] <sysmonk> !basuc
[15:11:27] <knoba> sysmonk: "basuc" : !basic, plus a bit of alcohol
[15:12:07] <googlah> :)
[15:12:22] <googlah> !basic
[15:12:23] <knoba> googlah: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[15:17:29] <loompek> vice-versa excellent... i already checked out man transport...
[15:17:38] <loompek> unfortunately i'm still clueless
[15:18:08] <vice-versa> who said anything about transport(5)?
[15:19:44] <vice-versa> was there anything more useful from using the egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):'  on your logs?
[15:20:34] <vice-versa> any fatal or panic messages?
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[15:24:31] <loompek> no
[15:25:09] <loompek> oh
[15:25:11] <loompek> there is...
[15:26:43] <loompek> http://pastebin.com/d5dcaafee
[15:26:44] <loompek> :D
[15:27:07] <loompek> aparently postfix is not an okay use
[15:27:12] <loompek> r
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[15:32:49] <loow> Hallo ! Can anybody help me with Postfix and Dovecot, beause Mails arrive in /var/mail/user but not in ~/Maildir for IMAP ?
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[15:35:40] <Haris> !home_mailbox
[15:35:41] <knoba> Haris: "home_mailbox" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional pathname of a mailbox file relative to a local(8) user's home directory.
[15:37:13] <vice-versa> loompek: right, do not use 'nobody' and you most certainly do not use 'root' or 'postfix'
[15:37:22] <vice-versa> what does your script do?
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[15:41:09] <ray__> hello, i have a specific problem, my company (a big hotel) is sending newsletter out to our clients, right now i have to send 7000 mails, but i get a throughput from around 4.4 seconds per message ... i checked a lot of documentation, but i do not know where to allow postfix to deliver the mails faster (or store it for delivery localy) my scenario is like: i am using a software (mailings) which i feed the emails and the template doc
[15:41:09] <ray__> ument, and this connects via ssh to my mailserver, which has an smtp transport on 127.0.0.1:10000 (to prevent the spamfilter) ... and now i have to wait for 7000 emails 7 hours just to be delivered to my mailserver, how could i speed up the recipient of these mails so i can rush them to my server? how long my server takes to deliver i do not care ...
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[15:41:37] <ray__> it would be enough to point me to the right configuration documentation ... if possible
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[15:42:14] <sysmonk> why can't you connect directly to smtp on your server?
[15:42:34] <sysmonk> do the emails differ in any way (i.e. each email has clients name, or are all emails identical?)
[15:42:42] <loow> I'm using home_mailbox = Maildir/ but the mails don't go into the dir or doesn't Dovecot get them ?
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[15:43:52] <ray__> sysmonk because my server is located in austria and the hotel (son-julia) is in palma de mallorca, ... and, you know, the ip address from the adsl here changes repeatedly ... so it's easier to connect via ssh, (well, actually an ssh-tunnel)
[15:44:14] <ray__> and yes, they differ, for example they have an unsubscribe tag with their specific email address etc.
[15:44:46] <ray__> (austria because we use a dedicated server in a datacenter for our mail needs)
[15:45:09] <sysmonk> ray__: how do you send the mails when you're on the server already ?
[15:45:18] <sysmonk> that is, when you ssh to the server
[15:45:34] <sysmonk> ah, wait, you make a tunnel directly to :10000 ?
[15:45:54] <ray__> it's like this: i have a ssh-tunnel, meaning my localport 2500 get's tunneled to 127.0.0.1:10000 of the mailserver
[15:46:05] <sysmonk> i see
[15:46:10] <sysmonk> and how much emails do you send per session?
[15:46:56] <ray__> i want to send all the mails at once, i could do something like, batching 100 mails, and waiting 5 seconds or so, but when i start, right from the beginning, i have a somehow a limitation for about 3-5 seconds per email
[15:47:30] <ray__> my first guess was it's a rate control from postfix for recivieng mails from the same client, but i can't figure out what exactly causes the limit
[15:48:27] <ray__> well, my first, first guess was the limit is the spamfilter, so i created the new transport 10000 which does not use the spamfilter, but the delivery time did not change really, altough the spamfilters are not invoked (at least this i can see from the logs)
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[15:49:59] <sysmonk> ray__: my offer would be ...
[15:50:08] <sysmonk> 1. IF possible, move the mailing software onto the server
[15:50:31] <sysmonk> 2. (even after moving) send emails in one session, i.e. 20 or 50 emails per session
[15:50:54] <sysmonk> that is, you connect once, issue ehlo, mail from, rcpt to, data. then isue mail from, tcp to, data. and so on (50 emails )
[15:51:00] <sysmonk> that will speed up the stuff much
[15:51:20] <ray__> hmm, i believe the mailing program connects only once ... i do not think it connects for every message ... can i check these in the logfiles?
[15:51:23] <sysmonk> 3. there could be a limitation from postfix (i.e. in_flow_delay, or even anvil) but that's not enabled by default
[15:51:48] <sysmonk> ray__: you might. if you get one connect and then a few messages will be queued - then it does how i offer
[15:51:49] <ray__> transfer of the program is not possible, server is debian, the mailings software is a macintosh app
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[15:52:04] <sysmonk> if you see a connect for each mail - then it sends only 1 message / session
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[15:53:02] <vice-versa> loow: home_mailbox is used by local(8), are you using local or virtual?
[15:53:31] <loow> What's local or virtual ?
[15:53:39] <vice-versa> !lvsv
[15:53:40] <knoba> vice-versa: "lvsv" : local(8) provides message delivery to local UNIX user accounts whilst virtual(8) provides message delivery to non-UNIX accounts which optionally facilitates hosting multiple domains on a single host
[15:53:43] <loow> sorry, I'm rather newbee
[15:54:01] <ray__> sysmonk, what is a connect in the log exactly? starting with the word connect?
[15:54:02] <loow> it's a local Unix user
[15:54:29] <sysmonk> ray__: yes
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[15:55:48] <vice-versa> !tell loow showme
[15:55:49] <knoba> loow: -> "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[15:57:22] <ray__> sysmonk i say it's sending in a session, it's like: mail from:, rcpt to:, data, RSET (not sure what RSET is, reset session?)
[15:57:46] <ray__> and i do not see connects in the log so i guess it's a session, so there should no be a delay here
[15:58:40] <loow> here you go: http://pastebin.com/m62f19481
[15:59:46] <sysmonk> ray__: does it disconet after that?
[16:01:22] <loow> is that okay ?
[16:03:02] <vice-versa> loow: yes
[16:03:08] <ray__> sysmonk, so, i stopped and started the process again, i see a connect first, thenn seeing the messages drop in, so, it's in a session
[16:03:09] <sysmonk> ray__: anyway, if it's issuing rset then it might be sending more than one per session
[16:03:22] <sysmonk> ray__: i just misread what you said before
[16:03:30] <sysmonk> ray__: i thought you get 4.4 messages per second
[16:03:35] <loow> found a poblem ?
[16:03:36] <sysmonk> ray__: but you've got 1 message per 4.4 seconds
[16:04:00] <sysmonk> ray__: is it possible that it's your connectivity problem? i.e. it's just slow?
[16:04:41] <ray__> sysmonk, is there a possibility for, e.g. stopping the mail delivery if this causes the problem? ... because hmmmmmm ... the messages are very small, just around 17k per message
[16:05:00] <ray__> i mean, our upload is nasty and slow, but that slow?
[16:05:01] <sysmonk> ray__: what causes the problem?
[16:05:12] <vice-versa> loow: you've configured your system to use procmail instead of local(8)'s internal delivery agent for mailbox delivery
[16:05:26] <loow> oh
[16:05:26] <vice-versa> mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
[16:05:31] <sysmonk> ray__: maybe. postfix reaaaaly shouldn't be THAT slow
[16:05:40] <loow> yes, it's cause I used a tutorial
[16:05:43] <sysmonk> ray__: oh, unless you have before-queue scaning, but you don't, right?!
[16:05:44] <vice-versa> !tutorial
[16:05:45] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[16:05:46] <loow> so I got to remove this line ?
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[16:05:52] <sysmonk> ray__: pastebin your postconf -n. /me afk for a smoke for a bit
[16:06:17] <ray__> sysmonk, no, my question was if itis possible that the mail *delivery* for these newsletter messages could be the cause of the problems, but i really do not know ... ok, mom
[16:08:24] <loow> wow !!!
[16:08:28] <loow> That works !
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[16:08:44] <wdp> hello
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[16:09:44] <ray__> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/d2aa0033b
[16:11:15] <sysmonk> ray__: nope, nothing wrong in postfix config
[16:11:30] <sysmonk> ray__: the mails don't even go through the spam filter, so spam fitler is out of the question
[16:12:03] <sysmonk> ray__: also, postfix should queue the mails right away, so you shouldn't care if it delivers them fast or not
[16:12:27] <sysmonk> ray__: that is, the speed of postfix delivery doesn't affect the speed of you pushing the mails in
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[16:13:39] <sysmonk> ray__: one thing i can offer is turning of in_flow_delay (set in_flow_delay=0 in main.cf) but it still should accept more than 1 mail in 4 seconds
[16:13:48] <sysmonk> ray__: so, imho, it's a connectivity problem
[16:14:00] <loow> thanks for now !! it works :D bye
[16:14:01] <vice-versa> slow DNS?
[16:14:03] <ray__> hmm, i just tried to scp a 3 MB file to the mailserver
[16:14:03] <sysmonk> might be an overhead of ssh
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[16:14:31] <ray__> segfault.txt                                   100% 3379KB  33.5KB/s   01:41
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[16:15:01] <sysmonk> ray__: might depend on compression and encryption scheme
[16:15:08] <ray__> so, with this it should be able to send at least 2 messages per second (message approx 17k, average 33.5kb/s)
[16:15:14] <ray__> hmm
[16:15:29] <sysmonk> ray__: try to open a port on outside and whitelist your macos ip
[16:15:40] <sysmonk> and send directly, without using ssh
[16:15:46] <sysmonk> just as a test
[16:15:54] <ray__> how do i whitelist my ip?
[16:16:03] <sysmonk> add it to mynetworks
[16:16:05] <ray__> put it in the allowed_rec list?
[16:16:08] <ray__> yeah
[16:16:12] <ray__> ok, il' try this
[16:17:15] <ray__> sysmonk just out of interest, what is the delay=<X>, delays=X/Y/Z values meaning when sending the message (in the log file?)
[16:17:25] <sysmonk> !delays
[16:17:26] <knoba> sysmonk: "delays" : The format of the delays=a/b/c/d logging is as follows: a = time from message arrival to last active queue entry; b = time from last active queue entry to connection setup; # c = time in connection setup, including DNS, EHLO and TLS; d = time in message transmission
[16:17:47] <sysmonk> the delay=<x> is the sum of x/y/z in delays=
[16:17:53] <ray__> ah
[16:17:55] <ray__> ok, thx
[16:18:14] <sysmonk> err, atleast i think so :) should recheck, i never look at delay, always look at delays :)
[16:18:38] <sysmonk> and that, again, shouldn't affect, because mails are queued and only then sent out
[16:18:44] <sysmonk> queueing mails should be fast
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[16:23:54] <xpeed> hi, what is the better way to avoid spammers  use my MTA postfix server as a relay open server?, i have set relay_domains directive in my main.cf but, i still can get access via telnet and make an email with an acount @anyotherdomain as a emisor acount
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[16:24:37] <xpeed> was it understable? xD
[16:25:04] <inflex> not really :p
[16:25:34] <inflex> Postfix, Spamhaus-XBL and greylisting combined culls out a lot of spammers
[16:25:35] <ray__> sysmonk hmm, the delivery times are nearly the same, 2,9 seconds per message ... but, now i also have the spamd invocation, just as a test i make another transport
[16:25:52] * inflex personally stopped using SpamAssassin years ago
[16:25:55] <sysmonk> spamd shouldn't be the problem
[16:25:57] <sysmonk> it's after-queue
[16:26:32] <sysmonk> ray__: but atleast it's went from 1 msg / 4.4 seconds to 1 msg / 2.9 seconds
[16:26:35] <inflex> for things that slip past greylist and XBL, I just put in spot-blocking via Xamime or other 'content filtering' systems
[16:26:49] <sysmonk> anyway, imho it's reallllly a networking problem
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[16:27:04] <sysmonk> k, i'm out to studies
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[16:27:09] <inflex> sysmonk: that's a bit sluggish isn't it
[16:27:35] <sysmonk> inflex: i'll be home after ~4 hours if you'll still need help
[16:27:39] <ray__> sysmonk yes, but that's not reliable, i got the msg average floating around from 4.4 to 2.6 upto 3.3 ... around 3.something per second is most of the time after i leave it running ...
[16:27:43] <sysmonk> damn
[16:27:48] <sysmonk> ray__: ^^ that one was for you
[16:27:58] <inflex> I was going to say :p
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[16:28:43] <ray__> sysmonk thank you, i'l try the in_slow something parameter ... maybe this is also a problem ... or it really is the connection ... damn ...
[16:30:10] <vice-versa> !tell ray__ tune
[16:30:12] <knoba> ray__: -> "tune" : Postfix performance tuning: See http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html
[16:30:58] <ray__> vice-versa y knoba ... i read all this stuff, but i get a message recieve performance from 3.3 seconds per message ...
[16:30:59] <vice-versa> might be worthwhile have a read
[16:31:24] <xpeed> i have a doubt, postfix by can defense by itself agains become in a spammer open relay server? i mean, i have to install other servides to protect it?
[16:31:35] <xpeed> rm -r first by
[16:31:43] <xpeed> >.<
[16:31:51] <xpeed> yes, i know my gramar stinks xD
[16:34:22] <brd> by default, it isn't.. only things you do can make it one
[16:34:37] <brd> there are test services available on the internet
[16:34:50] <xpeed> i think that a better way to ask would be:
[16:34:51] <xpeed>  postfix can defense by itself to avoid become a spam open relay server*
[16:34:51] <xpeed> xD
[16:35:15] <vice-versa> !relaytest
[16:35:16] <knoba> vice-versa: "relaytest" : a public service to test if your mail server is an open relay. Just run "telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org" or visit http://www.abuse.net/relay.html
[16:35:19] <xpeed> brd, what kind services?
[16:35:20] <brd> uh, that didn't help much
[16:35:22] <xpeed> umm
[16:35:30] <xpeed> oks thankyou i will take the test
[16:35:33] <xpeed> umm
[16:35:42] <xpeed> why? it isn't accurate?
[16:36:04] <brd> what you said still didn't make much sense
[16:36:17] <vice-versa> xpeed: yeah, it's not very clear what you're trying to convey to us
[16:36:26] <xpeed> >.<
[16:38:30] <xpeed> i sucks at postfix && at english... i think i will beter find out all things by reading by myself to avoid be molest guy xD
[16:38:32] <xpeed> thank you
[16:38:33] <xpeed> guys
[16:38:51] <vice-versa> maybe your config can tell us more about your "open relay"??? concerns
[16:39:10] <xpeed> oks i'll paste it in a paste bin
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[16:39:17] <vice-versa> !showme
[16:39:18] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
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[16:41:33] <wdp> postfix/smtp[30223]: 040205182A: to=<noreply at cpdevelopmentservices dot com>, relay=none, delay=0.5, delays=0.01/0.01/0.48/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to mail.cpdevelopmentservices.com[70.38.48.3]:25: Connection refused)
[16:41:40] <wdp> was that a mailer-daemon?
[16:42:06] <wdp> (no, i don't know cpdevelopmentservices.com)
[16:43:41] <xpeed> vice-versa, this is it
[16:43:44] <xpeed> http://rafb.net/p/8ncy2771.html
[16:44:01] <vice-versa> wdp: check the message contents out with postcat -q 040205182A
[16:44:13] <wdp> postcat: fatal: open queue file 040205182A: No such file or directory
[16:44:26] <wdp> .)
[16:44:37] <vice-versa> try mailq to get the queue id
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[16:44:55] <wdp> i just think, that some guys are using my mailserver to relay their mails.
[16:45:09] <wdp> but every relay-test i made was negative. (means it's not an open relay)
[16:45:49] <vice-versa> for the test performed at least
[16:45:54] <vice-versa> *tests
[16:46:01] <wdp> well, ye.
[16:49:25] <vice-versa> wdp: more log details may shed more light on this, something like egrep '040205182A|70\.38\.48\.3' /your/mail/log
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[16:50:19] <xpeed> http://rafb.net/p/FKA3lB53.html here is the showme requirements
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[16:54:49] <vice-versa> xpeed: where are you getting 'check_relay_domains' from?
[16:56:57] <xpeed> i don't understand very well, you mean if some external service check domains or something like that? or where i get that directive?
[16:58:00] <vice-versa> you're using it in your smtpd_recipient_restrictions, it's the last parameter
[16:58:46] <xpeed> yes i know
[16:59:34] <xpeed> but i does need an external verificator? (verifier or entity that verifies)
[16:59:46] <xpeed> or postfix can do it alone?
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[17:03:36] <vice-versa> xpeed: I'm asking where you got this from, or did you just make it up, there is no such parameter to my knowledge
[17:04:35] <lunaphyte_> check_relay_domains is valid.
[17:05:04] <xpeed> yes is valid
[17:05:17] <xpeed> i take it from a paper
[17:05:21] <xpeed> of postfix
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[17:06:45] <xpeed> but my real problem is, apart of can't make correct grammar sentences, i really can't find a text that explains how actually does postfix work xD
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[17:08:50] <xpeed> for example, i want to force clients to use TLS
[17:09:43] <xpeed> and i set smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes directvive that suppose force clients use tls
[17:10:02] <lunaphyte_> that is not what that does.
[17:10:11] <xpeed> but i can still get false email identity via telnet on my server
[17:10:14] <xpeed> um
[17:10:21] <lunaphyte_> you should probably read postconf(5)
[17:10:28] <xpeed> then i am follow a bad papper xD
[17:10:30] <xpeed> oks
[17:10:34] <xpeed> i will
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[17:11:01] <lunaphyte_> !tell xpeed tutorial
[17:11:02] <knoba> xpeed: -> "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper (1 more message)
[17:11:09] <xpeed> there is explanation (explication)  of firectives in config files?
[17:11:43] <lunaphyte_> !basic
[17:11:44] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:11:46] <lunaphyte_> oops
[17:11:50] <xpeed> yes i know that follow a tutorial like a cook recet is bad, thats why i looking for info about directives and stuff x
[17:11:52] <lunaphyte_> !tell xpeed basic
[17:11:52] <xpeed> xD
[17:11:54] <knoba> xpeed: -> "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:12:10] <lunaphyte_> !tell xpeed exampls
[17:12:10] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[17:12:14] <lunaphyte_> !tell xpeed examples
[17:12:16] <knoba> xpeed: -> "examples" : http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[17:12:27] <xpeed> i will read
[17:12:31] <xpeed> thank you lunaphyte
[17:12:49] <xpeed> my config is  at least decent?
[17:13:04] <xpeed> or it's pretty sucky for a good mta?
[17:13:28] <roe_> isn't there a utility to convert an mbox to a maildir
[17:13:47] <soren> roe_: Sure. Several.
[17:13:49] <lunaphyte_> roe_: there are a few floating around.
[17:14:14] <lunaphyte_> my recommendation would be to simply use imap, unless you have a huge number that must be converted.
[17:15:02] <soren> roe_: mb2md, formail+procmail, and dovecot's convert-tool all come to mind.
[17:17:39] <roe_> well here is the issue, a user has a maildir and also an mbox file with a few messages in it,  I would like to merge the mbox file into the existing maildir
[17:19:18] <lunaphyte_> roe_: if it's just an isolated instance, i would definitely just use imap/pop
[17:19:43] <roe_> so I need to tell the imap server to also server this mbox?
[17:20:01] <lunaphyte_> use another temporary account as a transition.
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[17:21:16] <roe_> ugh
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[17:25:43] <elux> hey guys
[17:25:54] <roe_> looks like mb2md worked well enough
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[17:31:38] <mib_ljj7ck> hey guys
[17:31:40] <mib_ljj7ck> hows it going
[17:32:13] <szonek> is it possible to use cyrus with postfix to authenticate TWO types of passwords? (MD5 and DES)
[17:32:16] <mib_ljj7ck> i need some help configuring postfix to send mail locally
[17:36:26] <xpoint> szonek, if you have 2 ips or 2 ports for this yes
[17:37:01] <szonek> no..
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[17:37:07] <xpoint> how does users use it ?
[17:37:35] <xpoint> if it works with imap, it works with saslauthd aswell
[17:37:42] <afh1> hey having a small issue with php and postfix. it USED to work.. however.. not working anymore.
[17:38:13] <szonek> the problem is we have users passwords in database and after migration there are two kinds of passwords MD5 and DES
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[17:38:27] <szonek> and when i test it, it only works with MD5 passwords
[17:38:46] <xpoint> so give new passwords ?
[17:39:08] <afh1> the issue being that I can send mail doing: echo "this is a test" | sendmail mymail at email dot com
[17:39:26] <afh1> however, when I use the php mail() function.. it doesn't work anymore. (used to.)
[17:39:30] <szonek> it's not a good idea to change passwords for about 60000 accounts
[17:39:54] <lunaphyte_> szonek: quit being a pussy :p
[17:39:56] <xpoint> szonek, its olso bad that 60000 user can get mail
[17:40:17] <lunaphyte_> !tell afh1 logs
[17:40:17] <knoba> afh1: -> "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
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[17:41:17] <afh1> knoba /var/log/mail.log I knew tht..
[17:41:20] <szonek> xpoint: what's your point because i don't get it? :D
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[17:41:35] <afh1> knoba, I just don't understand why I WAS able to and now I can't.
[17:41:35] <lunaphyte_> afh1: show some.
[17:41:39] <afh1> logs are the same..
[17:41:57] <xpoint> szonek, change passwords seems the route from here
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[17:43:54] <xpoint> szonek, make it scripted is not that hard :)
[17:43:58] <afh1> http://pastebin.com/d42257eb8
[17:44:54] <xpoint> problem is to deliver it to users, since password is changed, before users new the new password
[17:46:04] <xpeed> how do you manage that the users themselves change their passwords options?
[17:46:46] <xpoint> in postfixadmin ?
[17:47:02] <xpoint> just enable it there
[17:47:29] <afh1> lunaphyte http://localhost/cruise/index.php?step=book
[17:47:36] <afh1> oops lol
[17:47:50] <afh1> lunaphyte http://pastebin.com/d42257eb8
[17:48:14] <xpoint> funny url that givers the channel beer :-)
[17:48:40] <afh1> huh
[17:49:01] <afh1> the thing is.. it used to work! flawlessly.. now it dont.
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[17:50:11] <szonek> xpoint: it wouldn't work for our clients, it would be to much trouble for them
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[17:50:40] <xpoint> szonek, hmm ask them a few dollers then :)
[17:51:34] <xpoint> afh1, you send from dynamic ip ?, do as the reject tell you to then
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[17:56:09] <xpoint> afh1, relayhost in postfix main.cf
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[17:57:05] <afh1> afh1: I know.. what would I set it too? because the host I'm at now... doesn't allow port 25 / relay
[17:57:58] <xpoint> afh1, your isp should give you a way to sendmail throught them
[17:58:23] <afh1> xpoint:  no.. doesn't work that way.
[17:58:42] <xpoint> how so ?
[17:59:33] <afh1> xpoint: because it used to work. it doesn't now. has to do with the MTA
[18:00:08] <xpoint> sign up on dyndns then, use them as relayhost from postfix should work then
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[18:01:00] <xpoint> or if that does not work, then make a gmail account and setup postfix to smtp auth to your account in smtp mode
[18:01:57] <afh1> xpoint I did.. still no dice
[18:02:54] <afh1> xpoint: you're not understanding. I tried all that. it USED to work.. donn't know why all of a sudden it stopped.
[18:03:15] <xpoint> your logs should tell you more
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[18:05:10] <xpoint> In order to prevent spam, Gmail refuses mail when the sending IP address does not match the sending domain. To send mail from your server to Gmail, we suggest using the SMTP relay provided by your ISP. Please note that we are unable to whitelist IP addresses or otherwise make exceptions at this time. < afh1
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[18:07:20] <afh1> xpoint: I told you... it USED to work from my mail() function in PHP. now if I open a terminal and type: echo "This is a test email" | sendmail myemail at domain dot com
[18:07:23] <afh1> it'll send.
[18:07:59] <xpoint> sorry i read your logs
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[18:12:52] <jY> we have stupid sales people who mass mail through postfix and not use our mass mail service and get us blacklisted.. is there anyway to rate limit connections
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[18:18:34] <LordKovu> heh, got it to work. I simply removed it and purged the configuration files ^_^
[18:19:42] <LordKovu> oh.. then reinstalled it..
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[19:06:05] <TommyG> Do you have any recomandations on web based administration software for using with Postfix and virtualhosts, with a mysql or postgreSQL backend?
[19:06:23] <TommyG> I've looked at postfix admin. Are there any other you would recomend
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[19:09:07] <shasta> your own. <:
[19:09:46] <TommyG> neh, I started that 3 years ago, and it's *still* not done, so I don't think that'll work ;-)
[19:10:15] <shasta> what happend to the "better late than never"? ;-)
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[19:40:24] <mib_ljj7ck> can postfix be used to send mail locally?
[19:40:32] <devdas> yes
[19:40:37] <devdas> !standard
[19:40:38] <knoba> devdas: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[19:42:45] <mib_ljj7ck> ya, ive read skimmed through that before. i dont fully understand it though since ive never done it
[19:43:02] <devdas> !basic
[19:43:03] <knoba> devdas: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[19:43:17] <devdas> asdd IP to mynetworks, add destination domain to mydestination
[19:43:20] <devdas> you are done
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[19:52:21] <mib_ljj7ck> instead of adding my IP can i just uncomment the line #mynetworks_style =host?
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[19:53:33] <devdas> or do nothing
[19:53:38] <devdas> See postconf mynetworks
[19:53:46] <devdas> if your IP is already therer
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[20:00:15] <ponyofdeath> hi, wondering if smtpd_recipient_restrictions has a weight to it if i put permit_mynetworks before check_recipeint_access it should allow if my ip is in mynetworks even if address doesn pass recipient_access hash correct?
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[20:00:48] <mib_ljj7ck> devdas, so postfix uses the sendmail command?
[20:00:56] <mib_ljj7ck> i thought they were two seperate things
[20:01:27] <devdas> Postfix provides a sendmail command
[20:01:29] <mib_ljj7ck> i set up main.cf and am now trying to send mail locally
[20:01:35] <devdas> Sendmail the MTA != sendmail
[20:02:01] <shasta> well
[20:02:23] <shasta> postfix provides a sendmail-compatibile interface via a binary called 'sendmail' ;)
[20:02:30] <mib_ljj7ck> so, its different then the snedmail that mail uses?
[20:02:30] <vice-versa> it's a sendmail compatible command line emulation binary
[20:02:53] <mib_ljj7ck> sendmail*
[20:03:01] <xpoint> hmm sendmail is a cli command to both sendmail and qmail and postfix, did i mis something ? :-))
[20:03:37] <devdas> no
[20:03:46] <devdas> Lots of utilities expect a sendmail binary
[20:03:58] <devdas> hence, any Sendmail replacement needs to provide one
[20:04:47] <mib_ljj7ck> sendmail is a daemon used by various programs to send mail am i correct?
[20:05:00] <mib_ljj7ck> i thought postfix was a variant of sendmail
[20:05:05] <mib_ljj7ck> maybe i was mistaken
[20:06:15] <TommyG> it is, but you're confusing sendmail the MTA, and sendmail the command line utility to send mail
[20:06:47] <mib_ljj7ck> man, this is hurting my head
[20:06:48] <mib_ljj7ck> lol
[20:07:12] <mib_ljj7ck> ok, does postfix need the binary /usr/sbin/sendmail
[20:07:44] <shasta> no
[20:07:48] <devdas> Postfix provides it
[20:07:50] <shasta> postfix *provides* one
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[20:08:19] <mib_ljj7ck> can i get an example line or something of a requestion to send mail then?
[20:08:28] <k0de> What's teh command to flush queued messages, again? i'm rusty
[20:08:38] <mib_ljj7ck> i manned postfix
[20:08:49] <mib_ljj7ck> no example on actually sending mail
[20:09:38] <devdas> mailq -q
[20:09:41] <devdas> postfix flush
[20:09:51] <shasta> k0de, man postsuper
[20:10:11] <k0de> thanks devdas
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[20:13:49] <vice-versa> mib_ljj7ck: what is it you need to do exactly?
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[20:14:49] <mib_ljj7ck> i just want to be able to send email between users on the same machine
[20:15:20] <mib_ljj7ck> the command mail wont work becasue i cant use /usr/sbin/sendmail
[20:16:02] <jp-> why can't you use (or why is it broken)?
[20:16:15] <mib_ljj7ck> so im trying security reasons
[20:16:20] <mib_ljj7ck> blah
[20:16:24] <mib_ljj7ck> security reasons*
[20:16:42] <mib_ljj7ck> if i could i def. would
[20:18:15] <shasta> mib_ljj7ck, ls -l `postconf -h sendmail_path`
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[20:21:13] <mib_ljj7ck> that spit out an extremely long ls
[20:22:40] <shasta> shouldn't be longer than a line
[20:22:52] <shasta> and what's the output of this? postconf -h sendmail_path
[20:23:54] <mib_ljj7ck> postconf: error while loading shared libraries: libsas12.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[20:24:38] <shasta> (it's sasl, not sas1 ;-)
[20:24:42] <shasta> your installation is broken
[20:24:52] <shasta> you're missing cyrus-sasl, apparently
[20:24:55] <shasta> what system is this?
[20:26:08] <mib_ljj7ck> redhat 4.4
[20:26:14] <LordKovu> postfix = broken lol.
[20:27:02] <mib_ljj7ck> i sure hope not
[20:29:23] <shasta> mib_ljj7ck, how did you manage to install something without needed dependencies on a package system with dependency support? (-:
[20:29:31] <vice-versa> you obviously got some dependency issues, mossing cyrus-sasl package as shasta noted
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[20:30:28] <mib_ljj7ck> anything else?i can always do a fresh load
[20:31:12] <shasta> what is redhat 4.4 anyway? don't you mean RHEL?
[20:31:13] <jp-> does rhel have yum? try yum search libsasl2 and install the library if it exists. if that doesn't work you can just build postfix from source without sasl support since you only want local delivery anyway.
[20:31:18] <shasta> and if so, isn't there 5.x already?
[20:31:27] <mib_ljj7ck> same thing
[20:31:29] <jp-> i was wondering that too, i think he meant rhel 4 update 4
[20:31:47] <mib_ljj7ck> and yes there is
[20:31:49] <jp-> cause there was no redhat 4.4 in the early days that i'm aware of
[20:32:01] <mib_ljj7ck> its RHEL 4.4
[20:32:14] <mib_ljj7ck> everyone just calls it redhat though
[20:32:34] <jp-> does matter, try to install the library from their repositories and see if that clears it up
[20:32:39] <jp-> that is the path of least resistance.
[20:32:43] <shasta> well, there *was* redhat linux 5.x, so calling RHEL 5.x a "redhat" is...
[20:33:27] <mib_ljj7ck> so one has enterprise and one doesnt, not really a big deal
[20:33:58] <mib_ljj7ck> picky picky
[20:34:26] <jp-> and one was released ~10 years ago
[20:34:31] <jp-> so yeah, there is a difference
[20:35:47] <shasta> still I wonder how did your package manager miss the sasl dependency
[20:35:59] <mib_ljj7ck> ok, well im running "red hat enterprise linux version 4.4", lol
[20:36:00] <shasta> i hope you didn't rpm -ivh --force --nodeps postfix*rpm ;)
[20:36:19] <mib_ljj7ck> no, im working with a very secure system
[20:36:25] <mib_ljj7ck> and a lot of things dont work
[20:36:28] <vice-versa> ....and a Shelby GT500KR is just a Ford Mustang
[20:36:30] <mib_ljj7ck> b/c of the security
[20:36:59] <shasta> vice-versa, LOL (-8
[20:37:11] <jp-> well if you think sasl is a security risk then go pull down the postfix sources and build it with the bare minimum of what you need
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[20:38:17] <shasta> i heard qmail is secure
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[20:38:42] <mib_ljj7ck> i dont think anything, this is just how the system currently is. i didnt throw all of these restrictions on here
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[20:46:43] <MoarLook> Hi I have a legacy application that isn't properly terminating emails with CRLF.CRLF, is there any way to skip this check and/or cause Postfix to append the proper sequence to the files?
[20:47:03] <dft> !body_checks
[20:47:04] <knoba> dft: "body_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection as specified in the body_checks(5) manual page.
[20:47:26] <dft> ty knoba
[20:47:54] <shasta> MoarLook, but this is required to finish the SMTP dialog
[20:48:08] <shasta> how do you want that app to talk to your smtp if it can't say "goodbye"?
[20:49:07] <MoarLook> Short of a timeout, I don't know
[20:49:11] <MoarLook> It's a stupid application
[20:49:15] <seekwill> heh
[20:49:56] <MoarLook> Half of everything at this company is though
[20:50:02] <lunaphyte_> i'd say legacy has nothing to do with it.  the fundamentals of the smtp protocol haven't changed in 26 years.
[20:50:52] <MoarLook> I mean legacy in the second, derogatory sense: We Use It Because, as spoken by the ones on from high
[20:51:01] <seekwill> MoarLook: How does it work?
[20:51:10] <lunaphyte_> was there something that this application did "work with" at some point?
[20:51:15] <vice-versa> not very well apparently
[20:51:33] <seekwill> It seems like the only way it could work is if it reads in files from disk
[20:51:51] <seekwill> So when you get EOF, you could replce it with .
[20:52:23] <lunaphyte_> of course, that's a function of how messages are submitted.
[20:52:30] <MoarLook> I'm thinking that what has broken is actually where the text files get appended with the crlf sequence
[20:52:36] <lunaphyte_> yeah.
[20:52:46] <MoarLook> It'll take me some digging to find though
[20:52:47] <lunaphyte_> oops.
[20:53:05] <MoarLook> Just figured I'd check to see if there was a quick way around it
[20:53:14] <sysmonk> too. much. traffic. here. :)
[20:53:23] <seekwill> RED LIGHT
[20:53:32] <shasta> red light district
[20:53:36] <seekwill> ...
[20:53:40] * lunaphyte_ grabs sysmonk's wheel and yanks it to the right.
[20:53:57] * sysmonk doesn't even have drivers license
[20:54:07] <sysmonk> i like buses! :)
[20:54:19] <sysmonk> atelast i can read a book while i'm going to work :)
[20:54:32] <sysmonk> or ponder nice-looking chicks ...
[20:54:44] <seekwill> Take pictures
[20:54:47] <seekwill> Send to me :)
[20:54:59] <lunaphyte_> are you implying that people who drive themselves to work can't read while they're doing it?
[20:55:13] <MoarLook> If so, you'd be correct where I live
[20:55:13] <sysmonk> it's already a bit cold here, so they're not so sexy looking right now
[20:55:19] <sysmonk> that is, they're dressed already :(
[20:55:32] <seekwill> heh
[20:55:45] <MoarLook> I don't know anyone under the age of forty that can read the sign that says: Speed Limit: 50 km outside of my house around here
[20:55:46] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: no sir, i don't! i see such people every day, while they wait for the police to come over
[20:55:54] * dft starts looking for IT jobs in the carribean
[20:56:13] <sysmonk> dft: if you'll find an IT job - ANY, ANYWHERE, page me :)
[20:56:21] <sysmonk> (a remote one)
[20:56:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:58:07] <seekwill> hehe
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[20:58:10] <giskard> hi all
[20:58:14] <giskard> do you know why i get this
[20:58:14] <giskard> Sep 30 20:57:44 mail postfix/pickup[10959]: AFFC224C451: uid=0 from=<root>
[20:58:14] <giskard> Sep 30 20:57:44 mail postfix/cleanup[10960]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Connection reset by peer
[20:58:14] <giskard> Sep 30 20:57:44 mail postfix/master[10956]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/trivial-rewrite pid 10971 exit status 1
[20:58:15] <dft> heh, I need users to be able to forward/mark messages as spam from their inbox to a single mailbox to be scanned by sa-learn
[20:58:16] <giskard> Sep 30 20:57:44 mail postfix/qmgr[10958]: warning: problem talking to service rewrite: Success
[20:58:19] <sysmonk> oh noes
[20:58:26] <seekwill> sysmonk: Apply to Sun!
[20:58:47] <dft> my problem with this is, will the forwarder part of the header by processed and added to the bayes-db
[20:58:48] <sysmonk> seekwill: i'm a looser baby, so why don't you kill me :P
[20:59:01] <sysmonk> seekwill: i suck at going outer space, especially moon and sun
[20:59:11] <seekwill> heh
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[21:20:38] <MaxeyPad> I get this message on my postfix server that I created a mynetworks file for to allow relaying when sending from hosts in that range "the client sent an incorrect greeting" does anyone know how to fix this issue. I'm using thunderbird on windows as the client and I configured the server on port 25 and set the ip....no user and pass no ssl.
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[21:22:07] <lunaphyte_> MaxeyPad: show some logs.
[21:23:38] <vice-versa> ...in a pastebin
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[21:24:09] <Tanguy> hello
[21:24:20] <lunaphyte_> well hello there, little fella!
[21:24:30] <vice-versa> hehe
[21:25:03] <Tanguy> what should i write as an alias so that a user's email is copied to some address in addition to being delivered to its normal mailbox?
[21:25:45] <Tanguy> should i copy the main.cf mailbox_command as a part of the alias, or is there a better solution?
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[21:26:09] <shasta> username: username, some at other dot address
[21:26:21] <shasta> local(8) can do that IIRC
[21:26:39] <Tanguy> okay so that shall not give me a mail loop
[21:27:00] <sysmonk> i remember there was some kind of user: \user, someotheruser stuff
[21:27:07] <sysmonk> but i think that was sendmail style
[21:28:19] <Tanguy> okay, i will try that
[21:28:34] <Tanguy> (when i get back home)
[21:28:39] <sysmonk> nah, the user: user, other should work too
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[21:42:59] <active_hp> hi all! at first let me clear out that I am new to postfix and am coming from a "sendmail" world, I have successfully installed and configured the postfix server with mysql backend for email delivery, now the problem is that I have made my own "maildrop" application that does the spam cheking and virus scanning etc. and delivers to specific folder or drops the message depending on the outcome of the filers, the thing is tha
[21:43:09] <active_hp> does anyone have any idea what could be wrong?
[21:43:20] <lunaphyte_> the thing is tha...
[21:43:25] <lunaphyte_> t my message was truncated.
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[21:43:35] <active_hp> ups...
[21:43:48] <active_hp> ... the thing is that the "pipe" of postfix keeps running for some time (10-20sec) after my "maildrop" finished and delivers the mail
[21:44:46] <lunaphyte_> are you aware that it's likely you're reinventing the wheel to some degree?
[21:45:45] <active_hp> yes I am aware of that but since I have my own POP3/IMAP server that deal with my mailboxes as it were before from sendmail, I need to get the same format now with postfix and I can get that with my own "maildrop"
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[21:47:34] <active_hp> the question is if it's normal that the "pipe" processes stay a little longer than the actual "maildrop" process. in maillog the message is stated as delivered so from this point of view I would say it should be finished
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[21:51:31] <lunaphyte_> active_hp: how are you calling it?  what's indicating to you it's still running?
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[21:52:23] <sysmonk> f3ew: ^^
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[21:52:59] <active_hp> lunaphyte_: if I make a "ps aux" I see "pipe -n maildrop -t unix ..." in process list but the process list doesn't contain and actual process of the "maildrop" process
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[21:57:34] <active_hp> another question about passing parameters to the maildrop, is there any variable that would pass the message-id that postfix assigns to the message and is also seen in logs, so I could put the same ID in my log posts ?
[21:58:31] <lunaphyte_> i don't really use pipe, but i don't recall a -n argument...
[21:59:58] <lunaphyte_> to directly answer your question though - i don't know if that's "normal" or not.  if i had to hazard a guess, i'd say yes, it's normal and probably relates to re-use of resources.
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[22:01:48] <vice-versa> most likely
[22:02:15] <vice-versa> active_hp: is it like 1m40s
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[22:04:51] <active_hp> vice-versa: didn't time it that accurately, but I'd guess somewhere around 2minutes yes
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[22:07:01] <vice-versa> !maincf max_idle
[22:07:14] <vice-versa> default is 100s
[22:07:33] <vice-versa> so that sounds like why it's hanging around
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[22:09:55] <active_hp> ok, thanks for the info, now another question, how stable is the SQL support for virtual maps etc. ?
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[22:10:47] <coteyr> OK i need help I'm pulling my hair out
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[22:11:13] <coteyr> I have a working multi-domain postfix box (virtual domains with mysql)
[22:11:19] <coteyr> it's been running for months
[22:11:25] <coteyr> maybe even a few years by now
[22:11:41] <coteyr> I want to allow authenticated users to send emails from off the local network
[22:11:59] <coteyr> many users have started going from local to remote
[22:12:01] <coteyr> no biggie
[22:12:08] <coteyr> except I just can't get it to play nice
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[22:12:45] <vice-versa> active_hp: it works well
[22:13:06] <coteyr> I get nothing fancy in the logs other then "lost connection after AUTH from rrcs-71-40-173-130.se.biz.rr.com[71.40.173.13"
[22:13:42] <coteyr> using  testsaslauthd -s stmp -u..... -p ..... reuturns OK. Susccess
[22:14:13] <coteyr> I hve tried using mysql directly and I am not just aiming for rimap
[22:14:20] <coteyr> but I can't even get that to work
[22:14:47] <coteyr> (in conjunction with postfix)
[22:14:53] <coteyr> I am sure I am missing something simple
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[22:16:19] <coteyr> I relize I haven't given very much information, but I don't really know where to start from now.
[22:16:29] <coteyr> Like I said no errors, it just won't work
[22:16:40] <coteyr> (doesn't work with the telnet method either)
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[22:17:13] <k-man__> do you think greylisting works as well as it used to?
[22:17:36] <k-man__> i recently set it up on my server but I haven't noticed any real drop in spam
[22:18:14] <TommyG> No, I've noticed a significant drop in eficiency of greylisting over the last year or so
[22:18:26] <wdp> i'd say it depends on the spammer / amount of mails.
[22:18:35] <wdp> greylisting works very very good on my server
[22:18:44] <TommyG> Or, maybe it's just that the amount of spam that circumvents greylisting has increased
[22:18:45] <wdp> (recieving 7000 mails per hour)
[22:19:10] <wdp> still there's spam coming through. so greylisting isn't helping against every spammer.
[22:19:34] <TommyG> Well, untill last year, I only used greylisting to block spam
[22:19:42] <TommyG> And, I received very little spam
[22:19:51] <vice-versa> it's not a silver arrow, just another tool
[22:21:52] <wdp> anyway. spammers will always find a way to get arround those tools.
[22:22:00] <wdp> still those tools can make life harder for spammers.
[22:22:19] <vice-versa> yup, arms race
[22:22:24] <vice-versa> !tell coteyr sasl_test
[22:22:26] <knoba> coteyr: -> "sasl_test" : http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_test
[22:22:46] <vice-versa> try that on the localhost coteyr
[22:22:56] <TommyG> I got a feeling we're loosing
[22:23:36] <wdp> i get one spam mail per week
[22:23:44] <wdp> easy to deal arround with local filters
[22:23:47] <wdp> *shrugs*
[22:23:50] <TommyG> I experience more and more mail just getting lost, without any notification to either sender or receiver
[22:25:12] <coteyr> knoba; thats what I ment about the "telnet method" it just returns a 535 5.7.0 (bad password from what I can tell)
[22:25:48] <wdp> coteyr, knoba is a bot, talk with vice-versa
[22:25:51] <wdp> :p
[22:26:42] <coteyr> vice-versa; see above post
[22:26:44] <coteyr> lol
[22:27:09] <coteyr> wdp; get a better bot ;)
[22:27:20] <wdp> it's not my bot
[22:30:54] <vice-versa> coteyr: try it again and tell us what it actually replies with
[22:32:06] <xpeed> anyone uses postfixadmin?
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[22:32:12] <xpeed> someone*
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[22:34:47] <coteyr> Trying 127.0.0.1...
[22:34:48] <coteyr> Connected to localhost.
[22:34:50] <coteyr> Escape character is '^]'.
[22:34:51] <coteyr> 220 mail.coteyr.net ESMTP Postfix
[22:34:53] <coteyr> EHLO blah
[22:34:54] <coteyr> 250-mail.coteyr.net
[22:34:56] <coteyr> 250-PIPELINING
[22:34:57] <coteyr> 250-SIZE 10240000
[22:34:59] <coteyr> 250-ETRN
[22:35:00] <coteyr> 250-STARTTLS
[22:35:02] <coteyr> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 NTLM CRAM-MD5
[22:35:03] <coteyr> 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN DIGEST-MD5 NTLM CRAM-MD5
[22:35:05] <coteyr> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
[22:35:06] <coteyr> 250-8BITMIME
[22:35:08] <coteyr> 250 DSN
[22:35:08] 
[22:35:09] <coteyr> auth plain
[22:35:10] <seekwill> Is that really necessary?
[22:35:11] <coteyr> 334
[22:35:12] <coteyr> AGNvdGV5ckBjb3RleXIubmV0AHMzcjNuMXR5Kg==
[22:35:14] <coteyr> 535 5.7.0 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure
[22:35:15] <coteyr> quit
[22:35:17] <coteyr> 221 2.0.0 Bye
[22:35:27] <coteyr> it was asked for it didn't look taht big on my screen apologies
[22:35:27] <seekwill> 8BITEME
[22:35:39] <sysmonk> coteyr: damn, i didn't see what you were pasting, can you paste again?
[22:35:42] * sysmonk runs away
[22:35:45] <coteyr> lol
[22:36:06] <xpeed> xDD
[22:36:06] <seekwill> Well, xpeed did ruin it
[22:36:11] <seekwill> Paste it again
[22:36:15] <sysmonk> yup
[22:36:33] <sysmonk> now i can't understand what was pasted, that xpeed ruined everything
[22:36:37] <sysmonk> and then seekwill ruined everything
[22:36:41] <seekwill> I do that
[22:36:49] <xpeed> back off xD
[22:37:32] <coteyr> oh and the little conversation warning didn't come up, (it does that most of the time when I co paste crazy)
[22:37:46] <seekwill> Paste! paste! paste!
[22:38:21] <vice-versa> coteyr: are your passwords encrypted in mysql?
[22:38:25] <coteyr> http://pastebin.com/d4145ceee
[22:38:37] <coteyr> vice-versa; no
[22:39:10] <vice-versa> ...and that was a good password, but since the whole world knows it now, you might want to consider changing it soon
[22:39:22] <sysmonk> hah
[22:39:25] <coteyr> itslol
[22:39:30] <coteyr> its my test password
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[22:40:10] <sysmonk> now, when we know the hostname, and we know the password...
[22:40:17] <sysmonk> where's my mailing software
[22:40:23] <coteyr> yeah buts it not working
[22:40:25] <coteyr> so ...
[22:40:55] <xpeed> how can i put encrypted passwords via md5 or wahtever in mysql for the acounts?
[22:41:01] <sysmonk> maybe because you pasted only once into the channel?
[22:41:16] <xpeed> my users passwords are plain text in a table
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[22:43:09] <TommyG> xpeed: MySQL has a md5-function
[22:43:50] <xpeed> yes, but then users can't login via pop3 or imap
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[22:45:14] <coteyr> xpeed; select encrypt(stored-password);
[22:45:17] <coteyr> works just fine
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[22:45:33] <coteyr> sorry
[22:45:36] <coteyr> thats backwords
[22:45:41] <coteyr>  /ignore me
[22:45:47] <sysmonk> we did already
[22:45:50] <coteyr> lol
[22:45:58] <xpeed> something in imap or pop3 configurations even at postfix config mus be changed?
[22:46:22] <xpeed> must*
[22:50:43] <vice-versa> coteyr: decode your auth string and confirm the credentials
[22:51:36] <coteyr> vice-versa; there perfect
[22:52:16] <vice-versa> ok, time to get fingered
[22:52:24] <vice-versa> !saslfinger
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[22:52:25] <knoba> vice-versa: "saslfinger" : SASL authentication debugging tool for Postfix: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/saslfinger/
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[22:54:45] <coteyr> wow
[22:54:48] <coteyr> taht was easy
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[22:55:42] <coteyr> i got smtp_sasl_password_maps, but I have virtual users and domains
[22:55:44] <coteyr> so ...
[22:55:52] <coteyr> research but it's a good starting point
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[23:13:28] <coteyr> vice-versa; worked great thanks.
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