[00:01:22] <sahil> GetDarker`: that means ashley does not exist to Postfix.  you haven't told it where to look.
[00:01:36] <GetDarker`> ok, how can I work out where it is looking?
[00:02:06] <sahil> is ashley a local user in, for example, the /etc/passwd file?
[00:02:15] <GetDarker`> ah, I have to make unix users
[00:02:20] <sahil> no, you don't.
[00:02:39] <GetDarker`> if I add it will it fix it?
[00:02:54] <sahil> but you *could*.  where does this ashley user exist on your system -- you should know since you're the one sending email to the user and complaining about Postfix's error.
[00:03:16] <sahil> is she a virtual user?  again, why do you think this 'ashley' exists on your postfix.  and more importantly, *where*?
[00:03:16] <GetDarker`> I thought the user would be virtual so the user exists within MySQL
[00:04:09] <sahil> ok, so you have a virtual user named ashley.  have you defined virtual_alias_maps to look wherever ashley is defined as legitimate user?
[00:06:12] <GetDarker`> ok
[00:06:50] <sahil> GetDarker`: read http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html before continuing.
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[00:07:15] <GetDarker`> i think i got it
[00:08:17] <sahil> ok.  good luck.
[00:09:09] <GetDarker`> sahil, I have been following this guide: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
[00:09:59] <sahil> GetDarker`: that's oft-referenced.  but you (and people in general) should realize that different platforms and setups will require some tweaking so the guide cannot be followed verbatim and be expected to work without tweaking!
[00:10:08] <GetDarker`> I am using Debian Etc
[00:10:11] <GetDarker`> h
[00:10:13] <sahil> *sigh*
[00:10:21] <sahil> ok, then just follow it verbatim and cross your fingers.
[00:10:23] <GetDarker`> I have followed it from start to finish
[00:10:38] <sahil> or you can try to understand *why* certain things are in that guide and read the actual Postfix documentation to get an understanding of how and why things work.
[00:11:00] <sahil> the guide is exactly that, a _guide_ -- not some infallible set of instructions.
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[00:13:07] <GetDarker`> hm, so could you help me identify what is wrong with my current set up? Everything works fine except sending email to the server.
[00:14:02] <GetDarker`> Obviously postfix isn't able to find the user. I will see if making a system user will fix it
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[00:18:42] <download123> hey anyone at home ?
[00:19:58] <sahil> GetDarker`: uh, are you even reading?
[00:20:04] <sahil> you said you said you thought you got it?
[00:20:06] <GetDarker`> yeh
[00:20:08] <sahil> you need to read the VIRTUAL README
[00:20:12] <GetDarker`> I thought but I haven't
[00:20:17] <sahil> and figure out WHY the ashley mysql virtual user is not being seen by postfix.
[00:20:19] <GetDarker`> I obviously thought wrong
[00:20:53] <sahil> so i can't help you unless you demonstrate you've read the document and show postconf -n (paste it somewhere as indicated in the topic) so we can see what is happening.
[00:21:33] <download123> I get this error log but I don't get knolledge out of it whats wrong : http://pastebin.com/db812ea8
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[00:24:56] <GetDarker`> sahil, http://pastebin.com/m702b98a4
[00:25:00] <GetDarker`> I am reading the documentation
[00:25:11] <GetDarker`> I notice I don't have a " virtual_alias_domains"
[00:25:47] <sahil> well, i gotta go.
[00:25:48] <sahil> good luck
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[00:29:19] <download123> can anyone help me ?
[00:36:32] <GetDarker`> hm, well I can see the email in the users inbox but I can't download it in outlook 2007?
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[00:38:17] <GetDarker`> Anyone help? I can send email fine, I cannot recieve email via outlook 2007 but when I look on the server I can see the email there in the users folder. Here is my config: http://pastebin.com/m702b98a4
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[01:17:51] <hparker> GetDarker`: postfix doesn't do pop3/imap
[01:17:59] <GetDarker`> Dovecot does though right
[01:18:05] <sahil> GetDarker`: that is *not* a postfix problem.  if it delivers mail to the folder, then your IMAP server's support channel/mailing list is the relevant place to seek help.
[01:18:09] <hparker> #dovecot is down the hall
[01:18:11] <sahil> GetDarker`: go to #dovecot.
[01:18:14] <GetDarker`> Ok thanks
[01:20:54] <Danskmand> Hi :-) - I want to prevent postfix from changing the recipient address from hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de to admin at aktinet dot de....How can I do that ?
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[01:21:29] <sahil> Danskmand: why is postfix doing this?
[01:21:44] <hparker> it's possessed!!!!
[01:22:06] <sahil> hparker: :P
[01:23:54] <Danskmand> Hehe - th server it is running on is pulsating red and it is growing red horns on the side ;-)
[01:28:08] <sahil> well, that's cute.  but do you really have a problem?
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[01:29:26] <Danskmand> Well, I am running this chain on it for receiving mails: Fetchmail->postfix->amavisd->clamav->spamassassin->amavisd->Lotus Domino - plus openmailadmin, on which I can see that theres only one user, the admin...He has the addresses "hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de". So I *think* that this is the "thing" that is changing the address...
[01:30:06] <Danskmand> Sure I got a problem :-) - But its 01:30 am here and my fingers and my brain are getting slower :-)
[01:30:39] <sahil> wow, there's a kitchen sing of doodoo in between postfix and the mailbox -- and any one of them could be doing re-writing.  so good luck. :P
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[01:33:23] <Danskmand> Well, I found this in /var/log/mail....
[01:33:25] <Danskmand> Sep 27 22:44:43 ext-fw postfix/smtpd[2196]: maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de = admin
[01:33:25] <Danskmand> Sep 27 22:44:43 ext-fw postfix/smtpd[2196]: mail_addr_find: hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de -> admin
[01:33:37] <Danskmand> Does that tell you something ?
[01:34:28] <Danskmand> To me this tells me that theres something wrong in mysql-virtual.cf....
[01:34:46] <Danskmand> But how can I check if I am right ?
[01:35:19] <Haris> what is your virtual_alias_maps set to?
[01:35:41] <Haris> and what do you have in mysql-virtual.cf?
[01:36:04] <Haris> run the query in mysql-virtual.cf on mysql and check the results
[01:36:14] <sahil> man postmap
[01:37:27] <Danskmand> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf
[01:37:27] <Danskmand> mysql-virutal.cf:
[01:37:47] <Danskmand> hosts = localhost
[01:37:47] <Danskmand> user = root
[01:37:47] <Danskmand> password = mysqlfire
[01:38:01] <Danskmand> dbname = mail
[01:38:01] <Danskmand> table = virtual
[01:38:01] <Danskmand> select_field = dest
[01:38:01] <Danskmand> where_field = address
[01:38:01] <Danskmand> additional_conditions = and active = '1'
[01:38:06] <Haris> great
[01:38:09] <sahil> do NOT paste all that shit in here.
[01:38:14] <Haris> note the part after the password
[01:38:21] <Haris> and run queries on mysql and check the results
[01:38:26] <Haris> see what you can make of it
[01:38:32] <Danskmand> I was afraid getting kicked allready ;-)
[01:39:16] <Haris> the answer is in the sql query, results from mysql against that query
[01:39:56] <Danskmand> You now....that was actually my thought - "if I only knew how to query that DB" ....
[01:40:18] <Haris> #mysql
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[01:40:25] <Danskmand> But I guess I'll Google this :-)
[01:40:33] <Haris> learn to use mysql cli
[01:40:34] <Danskmand> ....Or #mysql :-)
[01:40:35] <Haris> or phpmyadmin
[01:40:59] <sahil> you definitely need phpmyadmin.
[01:41:48] <Danskmand> Oh really ? - Well, I have only used phpmyadmin on my webpage.....
[01:42:14] <Haris> get a book on sql
[01:42:27] <Haris> its always beneficial to learn sql
[01:43:13] <Danskmand> Oh god....Sounds like a steep learning-curve :-) - but I have run into this "wall" several times, so I guess its worth it !
[01:43:29] <hparker> How did you get this setup?
[01:44:07] <GetDarker`> SQL is great
[01:44:41] <Haris> database = money
[01:44:46] <Haris> money = :D
[01:44:50] <Danskmand> Well, I have joined a thing called "IPFire"...They are really great ppl with a good program...always ready to help !
[01:44:54] <Haris> more! money
[01:44:59] <Haris> j/k
[01:45:20] <Danskmand> SAP=sucks, but=rich pig ;-)
[01:45:53] <sahil> lol
[01:46:06] <Danskmand> Haris: You are rich ?  ;-)
[01:46:19] <Haris> No
[01:46:24] <sahil> rich with experience.
[01:46:34] <Danskmand> Hmmmmm.....
[01:46:35] <sahil> but experience doesn't buy taco bell.
[01:46:37] <Haris> I'm at the beginning on the path that goes to getting rich
[01:46:38] <Haris> :D
[01:48:37] <Danskmand> Stay ahead of the line.....I once wasnt rich, but was "good earning"....That was with "Lotus Domino Administration"...But I wanst staying adead of the line.....now I kinda pay for it....
[01:51:07] <Haris> I have paid for it these last 5 years, but no more.
[01:51:35] <Danskmand> Same here...
[01:51:53] <Haris> I have started reading more and left a few customers to get ahead on the learning curve, far ahead
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[01:57:19] <Danskmand> Same here....Security (IPtables, etc), of course Domino on Linux, different Linux derivates, ssh, vpn, and so on...Now its the time for postfix....but with that "rattail" I wanna use I feel that its half a university study !!
[01:57:56] <Danskmand> But as you said it...Its worth it....
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[02:19:59] <sahil> pf > *
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[02:59:50] <edman007|work> hi, i need to set an address for things that get bounced, is there a header that all MTAs recognize and will send the bounced emails to or do i just have to use the From header?
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[03:03:49] <sahil> edman007|work: what problem are you trying to solve?
[03:04:52] <edman007|work> i want to have the bounces sent to a specific email (so i can unsibscribe users who give me bounces), but the bounce email looks ugly so i want a different url for the bounce anf the from
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[03:05:23] <sahil> so if i email you, and the email bounces, you want postfix to send the notification to someone *other* than me?
[03:05:26] <sahil> that's silly.
[03:05:40] <sahil> (the bounce itself == backscatter to me, because someone could've just spoofed my From:)
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[03:06:21] <edman007|work> yea....well noreply at example dot com looks better than bounce+your.name=yoursite.com at example dot com
[03:07:24] <edman007|work> and i configured postfix to accept anything starting with bounce+ to dump to a script and log it
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[03:08:54] <sahil> *sigh*
[03:10:22] <edman007|work> whats wrong with that?
[03:11:04] <sahil> i simply do not understand what you're trying to do, and it might have something to do with your typos.  :)
[03:11:15] <sahil> you want all bounces coming to your machine to be redirected somewhere?
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[03:13:33] <edman007|work> i have a mailing list, managed by some random app, i want to know if there is any header that that application can insert into its emails that will cause all (well almost all i suppose) mail servers receiving my email to NOT send bounces to the From:, and instead send it to some different address
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[03:40:47] <sahil> edman007|work: no.
[03:46:42] <sahil> edman007|work: once email leaves your system, you cannot control who will do what with it, so this exercise is futile.  you can try to set something up that messages from <> and MAILER-DAEMON that are *also* addressed to your mailing list(s) are handled in a special way.  that's about it afaik.
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[09:22:46] <dan__t> Hello.
[09:24:04] <sahil> hi.
[09:26:23] <dan__t> How goes it?
[09:27:49] <sahil> fine.
[09:28:04] <dan__t> Rad.
[09:28:10] <sahil> super.
[09:28:21] <dan__t> I'm having some issues where Postfix doesn't appear to be looking at my virtual_alias_maps, which are based in MySQL.
[09:28:55] <dan__t> This was a previously working Postfix server, until a few weeks ago I must have changed something dumb.
[09:29:10] <sahil> ok
[09:29:22] <dan__t> My maps are accessable when I run the query by hand, I have MySQL support in Postfix.  Postmap only shows my one virtual_alias_maps line.
[09:32:15] <sahil> what do you mean?
[09:32:24] <sahil> postmap doesn't show any virtual alias map lines.
[09:32:36] <dan__t> uh, post... forgot the tool I was using...
[09:32:40] <dan__t> You're right.
[09:32:48] <sahil> postconf?
[09:33:01] <dan__t> Yes, sorry.
[09:33:26] <sahil> are you saying you have two different virtual_alias_maps lines defined in main.cf?
[09:33:38] <dan__t> No, postmap.  Using postmap -q
[09:33:44] <dan__t> No, I don't - that's what I'm saying.
[09:33:52] <dan__t> But the problem seems as if I do have two - the first with no definition.
[09:34:23] <sahil> whatever postconf -n | grep virtual_alias_maps shows is what's being used by Postfix.  no if's and's or buts.
[09:34:33] <dan__t> Understood.
[09:34:52] <dan__t> It shows what I expect, being virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix-mysql/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
[09:34:55] <sahil> and postmap -q "query" mysql:whatever works as expected?
[09:35:22] <dan__t> It does.
[09:36:14] <sahil> so what leads you to believe things are not working in postfix?
[09:36:26] <sahil> can you paste your postconf -n and some relevant log excerpts to a pastebin?
[09:38:23] <dan__t> Sure, one minute please.
[09:45:17] <dan__t> sorry, still trying to wake up heh
[09:45:33] <dan__t> http://pastebin.ca/1212567
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[09:46:05] <sahil> it's almost 4am here; i'm trying to fall asleep!
[09:46:18] <dan__t> haha, well I appreciate the time.
[09:46:39] <dan__t> Well, I messed that one up.  http://pastebin.ca/1212568 might work better.
[09:48:11] <sahil> what is sendmail doing in there?
[09:49:44] <dan__t> er, on RHEL, it's part of 'alternatives'
[09:49:52] <dan__t> Well.  No.
[09:50:12] <sahil> uh, well, you shouldn't have sendmail and postfix actually running on the same system!
[09:50:18] <dan__t> I know this.
[09:50:22] <sahil> so first order of business is so destroy Sendmail! :P
[09:50:26] <dan__t> Sendmail is not.
[09:50:40] <sahil> why is it logging to syslog?
[09:50:44] <dan__t> but that is odd, I feel dumb now.
[09:50:58] <dan__t> I don't know.  Even if it was an alternative, the binary would be agnostic to whatever alternative was in place.
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[09:51:13] <sahil> we're not talking about the binary.
[09:51:17] <dan__t> Ok, well, that's gone.  Again, I cannot answer that.
[09:51:40] <sahil> if it is a proper Postfix setup, then the sendmail binary is just a wrapper for postfix itself; in this case, an actual sendmail appears to be logging to syslog.
[09:51:41] <dan__t> Well, the application running would be agnostic... nm, I understand.
[09:51:49] <dan__t> Correct.  I do understand.
[09:52:09] <dan__t> Alright, well, I feel like a dolt, but ok.
[09:52:31] <dan__t> That is no longer present.
[09:52:51] <sahil> sometimes it just takes a second set of eyes; i wouldn't be so hard on yourself.
[09:52:55] <sahil> good luck.
[09:52:57] * sahil -> $sleep
[09:53:19] <dan__t> Alright, I'll tackle it in a little bit here, I'm still not seeing my expected results.
[09:53:22] <dan__t> Thanks for the time.
[09:57:42] <dan__t> Sorry about the previous mess-up - anyone else have an idea of what might be going on?
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[10:16:02] <dan__t> hrm.
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[10:27:24] <sysmonk> oh my head hurts so much... ;/
[10:27:32] <sysmonk> another sunday
[10:27:39] <dan__t> Hangover recovery, eh
[10:27:59] <sysmonk> yeah
[10:28:19] <dan__t> So I don't suppose you're in the mood to help troubleshoot a virtual_alias_maps problem, eh?  heh
[10:29:43] <sysmonk> with root access - yes
[10:29:49] <sysmonk> with 'remote hands' - not really
[10:30:08] <dan__t> Understood.
[10:30:40] <sysmonk> atleast not now :)
[10:30:46] <dan__t> No worries haha
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[10:31:10] <sysmonk> CRITICAL: RAID5 CRITICAL
[10:31:14] <sysmonk> hooray again
[10:31:16] * Signum restores sysmonk from yesterday's backup
[10:31:28] <dan__t> Fantastic.
[10:31:42] <dan__t> At least you have some adventure lined up.
[10:31:43] <sysmonk> Signum: yeah, zfs clone people/sysmonk@20080927 people/sysmonk-new
[10:31:53] <dan__t> I tried to beat an HP BladeSystem into submission all day.  Didn't work out too well.
[10:32:01] <sysmonk> zfs promote people/sysmonk-new
[10:32:17] <sysmonk> dan__t: what's worse - that's the backup server :)
[10:32:27] <dan__t> Nice.
[10:32:33] <sysmonk> but atleast that's not MY headache :P
[10:32:44] <sysmonk> that's the fird hard failing in the last 2 months on that server
[10:32:48] <sysmonk> third*
[10:33:12] <dan__t> I just "inherited" $work's IT department two weeks ago, and I'm slowly starting to remember why I hated general IT, and enjoy the more specific areas.
[10:33:46] <sysmonk> i'm in the process of "silently" looking for a new job, which nobody wants to offer me ;/
[10:34:00] <dan__t> Which part of the country are you in?
[10:34:13] <sysmonk> are you sure i'm in "part of the country" ?
[10:34:33] <sysmonk> the "part of the country" i'm in is called Lithuania
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[10:35:33] <dan__t> Oh ok, sorry heh.
[10:35:36] <dan__t> There I go - assuming again.
[10:36:04] <sysmonk> see? you wouldn't want to offer me a job too, right? :P
[10:36:11] <dan__t> Would I have to sponsor you?
[10:36:12] <dan__t> haha
[10:36:25] <sysmonk> er, what do you mean by sponsor me ?
[10:36:58] <dan__t> Do you have any citizen options of the USA?  What about visa status?
[10:37:22] <sysmonk> heh, none :)
[10:37:29] <sysmonk> false false false
[10:37:30] <sysmonk> ;))
[10:37:39] <dan__t> Not much I can do about that, sorry buddy.
[10:37:40] <sysmonk> dan__t: what about remote work?
[10:37:45] <dan__t> At the end of the day, I'm all about the networking though.
[10:37:52] <dan__t> I usually know a guy who knows a guy who's company is hiring.
[10:37:59] <dan__t> I don't think I can get that pushed right now.
[10:38:13] <sysmonk> see, just what i said before, nobody wants me :P
[10:38:32] <dan__t> I never turn down a resume, but then again I don't give much consideration to those I know that I can't have.
[10:39:01] <sysmonk> hm, "i know that i can't have" ?
[10:39:04] <sysmonk> why can't you?
[10:39:05] <dan__t> It's not fair to waste the applicant's time like that.
[10:39:14] <dan__t> Because we're not hiring remotely right now, and I don't know of anyone currently that is.
[10:39:25] <sysmonk> ah, you're talking about me
[10:39:28] <dan__t> Sounds like you know zfs pretty well though haha
[10:39:37] <dan__t> Well, you, anyone in general, it doesn't matter.
[10:39:37] <sysmonk> dan__t: hah, nope, i don't :)
[10:39:40] <dan__t> But in this case, you, yes.
[10:39:43] <sysmonk> i just started playing with it :)
[10:39:55] <dan__t> Very cool.
[10:39:57] <dan__t> Like it so far?
[10:40:09] <sysmonk> yeah, i liked it before too, but didn't have the resources to play with it
[10:40:21] <sysmonk> now i've got a new server for our local freebsd/openbsd/centos mirror
[10:40:21] <dan__t> I was playing around with zfs just a bit, but I was still evaluating some hardware and didn't want to throw too many factors in to the equation
[10:40:24] <dan__t> So I gave up on it.
[10:40:27] <sysmonk> with no raid controller
[10:40:35] <sysmonk> so i've tried it out :)
[10:40:42] <dan__t> Don't need raid for zfs, as far as I know.
[10:40:59] <dan__t> just get a big disk and create a dozen large logical volumes on it.
[10:40:59] <sysmonk> dan__t: um, not having a raid was the factor why i choose zfs
[10:41:08] <dan__t> oh ok, I misunderstood, sorry.
[10:41:32] <sysmonk> the choice was geom_* stuff or zfs, so i thought i'd try out zfs this time
[10:41:38] <dan__t> yep.
[10:41:48] <dan__t> Ah well, someday I'll have time....
[10:41:50] <sysmonk> + i have my old server runing, so if zfs will fail on me i can always fall back to the old server
[10:42:32] <sysmonk> and, as it's not a commercial service - nobody will kill me because of zfs failing :P
[10:42:36] <dan__t> So, now that you know I might have a bit of a clue about what I'm doing, feel like helping me out with that virtual_alias_maps problem?  hahaha
[10:42:51] <sysmonk> uh
[10:42:59] <dan__t> Don't discount stuff you learn yourself.  A lot of the important things you learn on your own time, commercial or otherwise.
[10:43:00] <sysmonk> pastebin the stuff, i'll take a look at it
[10:43:10] <sysmonk> but i'm not sure if i'll be able to help with my current head situation
[10:43:10] <dan__t> Sure, I had one up a bit earlier, give me a sec.
[10:43:15] <dan__t> haha
[10:43:16] <dan__t> Noted.
[10:43:25] <dan__t> http://pastebin.ca/1212568
[10:43:28] <sysmonk> dan__t: most stuff i learn is the stuff i learn myself
[10:43:33] <dan__t> Exactly.
[10:43:34] <sysmonk> that's even 90% of the stuff i learn imho
[10:43:48] <dan__t> Likewise - I just got better by practicing it at work.
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[10:44:36] <dan__t> It appears that Postfix completely ignores my virtual_alias_maps, but I'm not sure why.
[10:44:41] <sysmonk> oh my
[10:44:45] <sysmonk> why do you keep sendmail there? :P
[10:44:52] <dan__t> Know what - that's been fixed.
[10:44:58] <dan__t> Duh, I'll get new data, give me a few.
[10:45:12] <dan__t> Sendmail is the bastard child of everything unholy.
[10:45:13] <sysmonk> dan__t: your postmap -q sucks
[10:45:19] <dan__t> Oh?  How so?
[10:45:19] <sysmonk> you checked for jane@domain
[10:45:21] <sysmonk> not jane at domain dot com
[10:45:31] <dan__t> No, my hacking-up-my-data sucks.
[10:45:39] <sysmonk> mungling sucks even more
[10:45:41] <sysmonk> !mungle
[10:45:42] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "mungle" is not a valid command.
[10:45:43] <dan__t> haha
[10:45:46] <sysmonk> knoba sucks
[10:45:56] <sysmonk> doh, my head sucks, not knoba
[10:46:26] <dan__t> haha
[10:46:42] <sysmonk> dan__t: when mungling just use sed
[10:47:00] <sysmonk> sed -e "s/yourrealdomain.com/EXAMPLE.COM/g"
[10:47:09] <sysmonk> that way you won't have any hacking-typos
[10:47:24] <dan__t> I know, I tried to half-ass it.
[10:47:53] <sysmonk> i don't even want to ask what you did with the other part of the ass
[10:47:57] <dan__t> hahaha
[10:48:46] <sysmonk> anyway
[10:48:49] <sysmonk> i see your problem
[10:48:57] <sysmonk> #
[10:48:58] <sysmonk> receive_override_options = no_address_mappings
[10:49:15] <sysmonk> !receive_override_options
[10:49:16] <knoba> sysmonk: "receive_override_options" : (default: empty) - Enable or disable recipient validation, built-in content filtering, or address mapping. Typically, these are specified in master.cf as arguments for the smtpd(8), qmqpd(8) or pickup(8) daemons. See: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#receive_override_options
[10:49:21] <sysmonk> good boy knoba
[10:49:45] <sysmonk> dan__t: you just turned off aliasing and stuff with no_address_mappings
[10:49:54] <dan__t> Incoming
[10:49:57] <dan__t> What?  Seriously?
[10:49:58] <sysmonk> comment that one out
[10:50:06] <sysmonk> and restart postfix, and try emailing again
[10:50:33] * sysmonk fills the cup with some more cola
[10:50:39] <dan__t> Are you KIDDING me
[10:50:55] <dan__t> I knew I made a typo a few days ago, I never knew it was because I had uncommented a line.
[10:50:59] <sysmonk> i think that's where the second part of the ass went
[10:51:12] <dan__t> hah
[10:51:18] <dan__t> Yeah, in my broken config.
[10:51:22] <sysmonk> just comment out the line, restart, and check again
[10:51:29] <dan__t> I did.
[10:51:30] <dan__t> It works now.
[10:51:35] <sysmonk> tadaaaam
[10:51:40] <sysmonk> you owe me a job
[10:51:41] <sysmonk> ;)))
[10:51:57] <dan__t> I'm embarrassed.
[10:52:01] <dan__t> haha, we'll see.
[10:52:22] <dan__t> how about a beer?  hah
[10:52:28] <dan__t> Thank you very much.
[10:52:49] <sysmonk> dan__t: so you choose to go the whoooole way to lithuania and buy me a beer ?
[10:52:49] <sysmonk> ;))
[10:52:53] <sysmonk> s/and/to/
[10:53:11] <dan__t> haha
[10:53:13] <dan__t> Quite possibly.
[10:53:22] <sysmonk> oh, ok, sure :)
[10:53:29] <dan__t> I could use a good vacation.
[10:53:34] <dan__t> Aren't the Zabbix guys over there?
[10:53:38] * sysmonk prepares his gpg key + cacert
[10:53:57] <sysmonk> woot? zabbix here?
[10:54:02] <sysmonk> never heard of it being in lithuania
[10:54:10] <dan__t> er, Latvia, sorry
[10:54:19] <sysmonk> ah, might be in latvia, but not in lithuania
[10:54:33] <dan__t> My mistake.
[10:54:39] <sysmonk> but latvia is just a few hundred km's away from me
[10:54:47] <sysmonk> maybe 4 hours of driving
[10:55:13] <sysmonk> ofcourse, it depends on how slow you drive
[10:55:20] <sysmonk> is it 100 km/h or 180 km/h ...
[10:55:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[10:55:54] <dan__t> haha
[10:55:59] <dan__t> I never knew about that option, btw.
[10:56:02] <dan__t> Thank you.
[10:56:21] <sysmonk> np
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[11:20:59] <sysmonk> hum, barracude made their rbl's public
[11:21:07] <sysmonk> http://www.barracudacentral.org/rbl
[11:21:11] <sysmonk> anyone tried it already?
[11:23:56] <seekwill> Nice
[11:24:05] * seekwill only uses zen
[11:24:18] * seekwill *HAS* only used zen
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[11:29:41] <seekwill> I wonder what MTA they use
[11:32:38] <sysmonk> sexchange! :)
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[11:50:44] <CAiRO-> hi
[11:51:03] <CAiRO-> what's the difference between the spool directories defer and deferred?
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[11:58:52] <CAiRO-> i've set soft_bounce to true and i thought bounces messages would end up in one of those 2 spool directories, but it seems they don't
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[12:05:28] <sysmonk> CAiRO-: soft bounces just reject the mails with temp failure
[12:05:37] <sysmonk> which means that the sending mta's will retry a bit later
[12:06:42] <sysmonk> athough it does keep the mails queued if you're the one who sends them
[12:14:23] <CAiRO-> sysmonk: hmm, ok, i'm actually trying to turn off bounce mails since about 90% are answers to spam mails
[12:14:38] <CAiRO-> probably even more than 90%
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[12:16:40] <CAiRO-> so with soft bounces the sending server will try again and again until some kind of time limit will hit and discard to original mail?
[12:19:19] <CAiRO-> we have like 10 real users on that mail server and like 55000 bounced mails
[12:19:43] <CAiRO-> is there a better solution than turning off bounce mails?
[12:19:58] <CAiRO-> 55000 bounced mail in one week
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[12:34:56] <CAiRO-> if there a difference between reject and bounce?
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[12:37:46] <CAiRO-> can i reject mails to non-existant addresses instead of bouncing them?
[12:38:17] <CAiRO-> i'm refering to point 2 in this posting: http://www.irbs.net/internet/postfix/0412/1392.html
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[12:43:59] <war9407> CAiRO-: yes
[12:44:08] <war9407> CAiRO-: look at the 'reject_unknown_' directives
[12:44:20] <war9407> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html
[12:49:03] <shasta> erm
[12:49:17] <shasta> CAiRO-, postfix by default doesn't accept emails to non-existant addresses
[12:49:30] <shasta> ie. rejects them in smtp session -> no need for a bounce
[12:49:57] <shasta> if your postfix does accept them and then sends a bounce, it means you've screwed up the configuration
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[14:36:18] <frido> Hi, I have configured postfix with ssl, but security scanner say, that for 465 is allowed anonymous cipher suite
[14:36:39] <frido> apache's mod_ssl has SSLCipherSuite parameter
[14:37:02] <frido> any way for postfix like that ?
[14:39:46] <frido> I have it
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[14:53:03] <BuenGenio_> guys, having a problem getting Outlook 2007 to send mail via SSL
[14:53:15] <BuenGenio_> i don't see any handshaking going on when they try to connect
[14:53:41] <BuenGenio_> i've got mine (Outlook 2003 & Thunderbird) mail to send yesterday, but my partners are not able to get it going
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[14:54:26] <BuenGenio_> i go them to log what Outlook is doing, and i've also logged connection debugging from postfix, here: http://pastebin.com/d6165d950
[14:54:35] <BuenGenio_> can somebody give us a hand here?
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[17:00:23] <neurodamage> how do I allow relaying mail after sasl auth for smtp?
[17:04:25] <vice-versa> by using permit_sasl_authenticated in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:04:28] <vice-versa> !sasl
[17:04:29] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[17:10:28] <biz> Hello, I'm searching for an procmail/maildrop-like MDA with support for per-user filters which are stored within a PostgreSQL database... any suggestions?
[17:11:33] <neurodamage> that's what I thought vice-versa but it's not allowing it, hrmrmrm...i'll check logs
[17:12:28] <neurodamage> would reject_unauth_destination be an issue?
[17:14:22] <vice-versa> only for non-mynetworks/non-authed clients, which is desirable else you would be an open relay
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[17:15:01] <neurodamage> vice-versa: right...but that's not causing the relay denied though right? if I have sasl stuff in front of it, so i'm not sure what oculd be it, oh well will figure it out later :)
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[17:23:13] <vice-versa> neurodamage: it takes more then just adding permit_sasl_authenticated to smtpd_recipient_restrictions to have sasl auth support
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[17:32:55] <neurodamage> vice-versa: yeah I know I've done all that, I have sasl support andn can send email via the machine and everything it's just when using a client like thunderbird to be able to send all my smtp traffic, I've had it working before but  my vps provider deleted the machine, dumb folks
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[17:36:56] <zzzzzz> hello
[17:38:32] <vice-versa> neurodamage: what sasl implementation are you using?
[17:39:43] <zzzzzz> I am using postfix-policyd-spf-perl,
[17:40:47] <neurodamage> vice-versa: meaning?
[17:41:44] <zzzzzz> I try to test that spf stuff but I see a softfail and action=dunno
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[17:43:16] <vice-versa> ...are you using dovecot or cyrus sasl?
[18:03:07] <neurodamage> oh cyrus-sasl :)
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[18:44:56] <MrCoala> hi
[18:45:12] <MrCoala> is there a way to redirect incoming mails to multiple desitnations?
[18:45:19] <MrCoala> seperating with , in alias doesnt work
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[18:49:32] <vice-versa> MrCoala: it should, what delivery transport are you creating these aliases for?
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[19:16:21] <dvl> I'm having a problem with my Postfix server rejecting my smtps connections because of "blocked using dnsbl.njabl.org".  I see "maps_rbl_domains = dnsbl.njabl.org" in main.cf.  The smtps service is defined in master.cf and I'd like to overide that maps_rbl_domains listing.  In fact, for smtps, I'd like no rbl checking at all.  Clues please?
[19:18:28] <fremo> dvl: add something like -o maps_rbl_domains= in your master.cf
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[19:18:55] <fremo> My Postfix tries to send an email to a domain with 5 MX, it try only the first three that dont work but not the forth that is working. Any solution ? (the domain is monoprix.fr and uses symantecmail.{com,net})
[19:21:14] <dvl> fremo: tried.  failed. paste to follow.
[19:22:13] <adnc> fremo: why don't the first three work?
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[19:23:00] <dvl> http://pastebin.ca/1212902
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[19:25:13] <fremo> adnc: I dont know why but it's either TCP connection rejected or never start...
[19:25:48] <adnc> fremo: but if you telnet to the second one on port 25 it works ok
[19:25:52] <fremo> I tried by another IP and it's the same, I'm not in any RBL I know (I checked robtex)
[19:26:24] <adnc> fremo: only the first one mail.monoprix.fr doesnt work
[19:26:34] <fremo> adnc: the symantec one ?
[19:26:43] <adnc> seems to work
[19:27:15] <fremo> ok, thanks but not for me ;)
[19:27:23] <fremo> I will try smtp_mx_session_limit
[19:27:41] <adnc> what do your logs say?
[19:27:42] <fremo> but I am not sure to understand what it does correctly...
[19:28:12] <fremo> connect to monoprix.fr.inbound10.symantecmail.net[208.65.145.22]:25: Connection refused
[19:28:22] <fremo> and same for the .com
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[19:28:45] <fremo> they may have blacklisted me :(
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[19:30:01] <fremo> I just sent invitations for a conference for some people who asked for (and specialy the one at this domain who is a speaker for the event !)
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[19:33:57] * fremo is thinking about setting a new zone in the DNS server for this domain...
[19:34:10] <fremo> any way to force a MX for a mail in queue ?
[19:35:35] <vice-versa> fremo: does your service provider have a smtp relay you can use?
[19:36:38] <fremo> yes, I should have that
[19:36:57] <fremo> I am looking for the option failback relay host...
[19:37:21] <fremo> or the way to specify exeptions for some domains
[19:37:43] <vice-versa> you can alternately route mail for the problematic domain(s) via transport_maps to your ISPs smtp
[19:38:15] <fremo> yes, I think this is what I will do
[19:39:06] <fremo> I will try to find another MTA where I can know if it's sent or stay in queue...
[19:39:20] <fremo> oup fallback not failback !
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[19:44:26] <fremo> done. thanks :)
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[19:44:51] <vice-versa> yw
[19:48:43] <fremo> but I still dont know why postfix didn't try the forth MX...
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[19:51:17] <artagnon> Where can I read up about Postfix's mail queuing system? I want to prioritize email
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[19:53:59] <vice-versa> fremo: I think how smtp(8) does this is to retrieve a list of exchangers and process the list by priority until it finds one that responds, which in your case it did but was rejected so it didn't try any further
[19:54:56] <vice-versa> !tell artagnon overview
[19:54:58] <knoba> artagnon: -> "overview" : Postfix Architecture Overview : http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html
[19:58:27] <artagnon> vice-versa: Thanks! I'll read it and get back to you
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[20:14:26] <artagnon> vice-versa: Okay, done. I use the sendmail compatibility layer to queue mails in postfix. I think my answer lies in qmgr/ HOLD queue but I'm still a little confused
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[22:32:21] <stainer> hi
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[22:34:07] <stainer> sombody here talked with me about setting up postfix on a dynamic ip Thursday night. I wanted to report in with my success ams say thanks. Unfortunately I am old and do not remember you nick.
[22:37:03] <vice-versa> [02:32:12] <brd> stainer1: Postfix calls it relayhost
[22:37:39] <stainer> sweet thanks
[22:38:34] <brd> stainer: np :) glad you got it worked out
[22:39:14] <stainer> setting up relayhost with sbcglobal was hard to figure out. I had to set up my local account as a sub on my sbcglobal.yahoo.com account.
[22:39:37] <brd> weird
[22:39:42] <vice-versa> stainer's wife++
[22:39:51] <Orchun> what is the ways to prevent from spam
[22:39:52] <jeev> pictures or not true
[22:39:57] <Orchun> i have set up rbl
[22:39:58] <Orchun> sasl
[22:40:04] <Orchun> and what else?
[22:40:44] <vice-versa> jeev: she got him a server for their anniversary
[22:40:55] <jeev> wow
[22:41:12] <jeev> vice-versa, i dont know if that's a good thing or bad thing.. he must be complaining a lot for it
[22:41:22] <stainer> it is a refurb from computergeeks.com
[22:41:36] <stainer> it was for our 20th anniversary
[22:41:37] <jeev> "gertrude, i need a server"
[22:41:45] <jeev> you colocating it ?
[22:41:51] <jeev> oh yea you''lre keeping it at home
[22:42:09] <stainer> no, its in my house... it sounds like a 747 or f15
[22:42:12] <brd> stainer: as long as it works :)
[22:42:14] <jeev> lol
[22:42:53] <stainer> it has 2 2.0 Opteron's and 4 gigs of ram
[22:43:02] <jeev> http://www.geeks.com/images/lapbestsel.gif
[22:43:02] <vice-versa> after 20 plus years, you start to become one ;)
[22:43:04] <jeev> is that sarah palin ?
[22:45:46] <stainer> I got to figure out how to run some external HD's into it.... it came with a 120 gig IDE hd, but has 4 sata ports. No room inside the case for much.
[22:46:44] <stainer> During the server install, I had the case open to hook the cd-rom up and left the server cd on the psu during boot up... hahaha I had to burn another one
[22:46:57] <vice-versa> hehe
[22:47:12] <jeev> i got 3 used 1U's about 2m onths ago
[22:47:19] <jeev> with 2tb total hd to move around
[22:47:21] <jeev> 9 gigs total
[22:47:25] <stainer> wow
[22:47:28] <jeev> dual single core 2ghz opterons
[22:47:34] <jeev> and i'm not using them, they're at the datacenter costing me money
[22:47:36] <jeev> i paid 1200 for them
[22:47:38] <jeev> total.
[22:47:47] <jeev> i'll wait a year till opteron prices drop more on ebay and il'l buy and change
[22:48:00] <stainer> mine was 199, same config less HD
[22:48:12] <jeev> 1U?!?!?!?!
[22:48:22] <stainer> yeah... I'll get you the link
[22:48:27] <jeev> WHAT
[22:48:49] <jeev> i'm pissed now
[22:48:50] <vice-versa> lol
[22:49:14] <vice-versa> women know how to find the deals, that's just how it works ;)
[22:49:18] <war9407> and now you can buy 1.5TB for $189
[22:49:20] <war9407> hdd
[22:49:29] <jeev> vice-versa, i was like :0
[22:49:30] <jeev> wow a nice server
[22:49:36] <stainer> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=MONARCH-SERVER-2R
[22:49:37] <jeev> on bah
[22:49:41] <stainer> out of stock now
[22:49:58] <stainer> but they had a couple of other 1u's for the same price
[22:50:00] <jeev> good price
[22:50:23] <jeev> oh well
[22:50:25] <jeev> we learn lessons
[22:50:40] <stainer> I don't know how good of equipment it is
[22:50:46] <jeev> i'm glad i didn't have sex with this one girl who wanted it so bad.. and i was just being a weenie cause i never make the move.. and her boss told me that he's glad i didn't do it. she has some type of VD
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[22:52:27] * vice-versa wonders how her boss this
[22:52:30] <vice-versa> lol
[22:52:44] <vice-versa> *knows this
[22:52:50] <thumbs> gross
[22:53:07] <stainer> I am glad I dont have to worry about that anymore...
[22:53:34] <jeev> oh
[22:53:38] <jeev> she was texting me with the business phone
[22:53:43] <jeev> and he's like did you fuck her? i said no
[22:53:44] <jeev> hes like liar
[23:09:48] <stainer> Tyan Server Management Daughter Card (SMDC) <--- I have one of these on the server, is it useful?
[23:14:17] <xpoint> 42
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