[00:00:29] <kexman> aha
[00:00:31] <kexman> i understand
[00:00:40] <kexman> vice-versa: and what is the default setup around DSNs ?
[00:00:47] <kexman> i read that what you paste before
[00:00:52] <kexman> but ill read it again
[00:01:14] <kexman> so basically postfix has nothing to do with the mail that cant be sent ... even after 4 hours ?
[00:01:17] <vice-versa> delayed or delivery fails iirc
[00:02:19] <kexman> aha so postfix honours delayed and delivery failed DSN -ns
[00:02:20] <kexman> right ?
[00:02:23] <kexman> by default
[00:02:28] <kexman> but those must be asked by the client
[00:02:53] <vice-versa> correct
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[00:06:06] <vice-versa> kexman: you can change maximal_queue_lifetime which defaults to 5d to whatever you want, 4h for four hours, or 1d for one day etc.
[00:06:23] <vice-versa> !overview
[00:06:24] <knoba> vice-versa: "overview" : Postfix Architecture Overview : http://www.postfix.org/OVERVIEW.html
[00:06:43] <vice-versa> there should be a section in that doc that describes this
[00:07:11] <kexman> vice-versa: yes but 5d is okay but someone said that after 4hours postfix will send back the user a notice that it couldnt send the mail (got delayed ) and it will keep trying for 5days !
[00:09:24] <vice-versa> right, and as we already established it's the responsibility of the sending mua to request such notifications
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[00:10:42] <kexman> vice-versa: so the mua asks for this when the mail its sent ?
[00:10:57] <kexman> or it can ask for it at any time after the mail has been sent ?
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[00:11:41] <vice-versa> when it's initially sent, you can test this with the postfix local submission sendmail emulation binary with the -N switch, see http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html
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[00:13:24] <kexman> vice-versa: what do i need to type after sendmail -N delay ?
[00:14:20] * kexman reading
[00:14:39] <vice-versa> ty ;)
[00:17:02] <kexman> no thank you :)
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[00:48:21] <puff> So, if I understand this backscatter README correctly, the key is to a) set up a subdomain (e.g. "mailhost.mydomain.com",b) configure postfix to use "HELO mailhost.mydomain.com" on outgoing mail, c) configure postfix to use mailhost.mydomain.com in the message-id header in outgoing mail, d) create /etc/postfix/header_checks and /etc/postfix/body_checks as in the README, e) add a header_checks and body_checks line to /etc/postfi
[00:48:21] <puff> x/main.cf
[00:48:53] <puff> So I guess my next step is to google on postfix settings for HELO and message-IDs.
[00:49:00] <war9407> what are you trying to accomplish? I setup mine so if I get an email from <> then I check the IP for backscatter
[00:49:10] <puff> Do I need to set up or tweak my MX record?
[00:49:22] <puff> war9407: Mainly I'm getting tons of backscatter,.
[00:49:33] <war9407> puff: then do what I did
[00:49:42] <puff> war9407: Check the IP for what?  Reverse DNS?
[00:49:45] <war9407> no
[00:49:54] <war9407> if the sender is '<>' or 'mailer-dameon'
[00:49:56] <war9407> etc etc
[00:50:04] <war9407> then check the IP via ips.backscatterer.org
[00:50:06] <war9407> or whatever it is called
[00:50:08] <war9407> works well
[00:50:10] <puff> Er, wouldn't that block *all* mailerdaemon responses?
[00:50:17] <war9407> only if they are listed for backscatter
[00:50:21] <war9407> in the RBL
[00:50:29] <puff> Ah.
[00:50:36] <puff> I see.
[00:50:52] <war9407> Aug  8 02:44:52 p34 postfix/smtpd[17717]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[85.10.211.100]: 554 5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [85.10.211.100] blocked using ips.backscatterer.org; Sorry 85.10.211.100 is blacklisted at http://www.backscatterer.org/?ip=85.10.211.100; from=<> to=<wqvmcqb at mydomain dot com> proto=SMTP helo=<mx3.spamexperts.com>
[00:51:52] <puff> Seems like README's approach is saner.
[00:52:02] <puff> Er, safer. Not to mention cheaper.
[00:52:05] <puff> Resource-wise.
[00:52:57] <war9407>  /usr/share/doc/postfix/BACKSCATTER_README.gz ?
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[00:53:44] <puff> http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[00:54:23] <war9407> good luck with that
[00:54:25] <war9407> I already tried it
[00:54:31] <war9407> if you are on mailing lists etc it doesnt work well
[00:54:56] <puff> Argh.
[00:54:59] <puff> What happens?
[00:55:27] <war9407> well it rejects legitimate mail
[00:56:42] <puff> Er, how?
[00:56:53] <war9407> I used those examples
[00:56:55] <war9407> but for my domain
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[00:58:33] <war9407> try it
[00:58:35] <war9407> just put WARN
[00:58:41] <war9407> so your mail doesnt get rejected :)
[00:58:59] <puff> Hokay...
[00:59:00] <puff> Hm.
[00:59:15] <puff> If you could tlel me more abou twhat went worng, I could maybe see a way to cope with it.
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[00:59:45] <war9407> puff: long as your not on any mailing lists you should be good
[00:59:56] <puff> I'm on scads of mailing lists, is the problem.
[01:02:03] <war9407> give it a try ;)
[01:02:04] <pickcoder> if the mailing list software put X-Mailing-List header in then you could exclude them
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[01:02:25] <pickcoder> unfortunately, people who write crappy list software don't consider backscatter
[01:05:32] <puff> Interesting:  http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/postfix-HELO.html
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[01:07:46] <kexman> hehh i have no idea where to set DSN in thunderbird :(
[01:07:51] <kexman> going to sleep
[01:08:07] <kexman> see ya guys
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[01:57:06] <sahil> puff: standard fare. :P
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[03:11:39] <Danskmand2> dft: Are you still there and sober =
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[03:22:17] <dft> Danskmand: yeah;) unfortunately too sober
[03:22:20] <dft> what's up
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[04:06:27] <Evanlec> hello, could anyone give me a hand here?
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[04:39:18] <hparker> Evanlec: Not if you don't ask a question
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[05:53:02] <Evanlec> hparker: well, in my mail.log im getting a lot of these
[05:53:04] <Evanlec> Sep 26 20:49:42 mail postfix/smtpd[4643]: warning: connect to 127.0.0.1:10030: Connection refused
[05:53:20] <Evanlec> and then
[05:53:24] <Evanlec> Sep 26 20:49:43 mail postfix/smtpd[4643]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from fmailhost03.isp.att.net[204.127.217.103]: 451 4.3.5 Server configuration problem; from=<education at upledger dot com> to=<gstiles at craniosacraltherapy dot net> proto=ESMTP helo=<fmailhost03.isp.att.net>
[05:54:47] <hparker> sounds like a content filter not running, what's supposed to be running on localhost port 10030?
[05:56:03] <Evanlec> i really dont know actually
[05:56:21] <Evanlec> ah
[05:56:26] <dft> Evanlec: grep 10030 /etc/postfix/main.cf
[05:56:30] <Evanlec> you're right, they are all on 10030
[05:56:37] <Evanlec> i just noticed they're all the same port
[05:56:48] <Evanlec> DING!
[05:56:55] <Evanlec>  check_policy_service inet:127.0.0.1:10030
[05:56:59] <Evanlec> how the hell did i miss that?
[05:57:07] <Evanlec> i looked specifically for check_policy_service
[05:57:10] <Evanlec> good lord
[05:57:20] <hparker> It's Fri night, lots of things will get missed :P
[05:57:24] <Evanlec> lol
[05:57:31] <dft> we all have a syntactically challenged day sometimes
[05:57:46] <Evanlec> Oh, i see, it was under some other stuff
[05:57:49] <Evanlec> indented
[05:58:01] <Evanlec> under smtpd_recipient_restrictions
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[06:04:12] <Evanlec> well now im getting all kinds of interesting things in the log
[06:04:24] <hparker> hehe
[06:04:25] <Evanlec> bounces, deferred, sent
[06:04:35] <Evanlec> fascinating
[06:04:46] <Evanlec> its my first real mail server on an actual domain
[06:04:49] <Evanlec> ;p
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[06:07:20] <Evanlec> wow
[06:07:26] <hparker> Oh, wait till the spammers find it
[06:07:29] <Evanlec> you can see the spam clearly
[06:07:33] <Evanlec> im already getting some ;p
[06:07:48] <hparker> heh
[06:07:49] <Evanlec> these domains have been up for a while, i just took them over
[06:07:52] <hparker> ahh
[06:08:03] <Evanlec> im still not getting my test messages back tho
[06:08:30] <Evanlec> wondering if the receiving server is rejecting me
[06:08:50] <Evanlec> but if status=sent and no othre msg's , it should've gone thru right?
[06:09:05] <Evanlec> otherwise the other server would reply with some error rite?
[06:09:22] <Evanlec> unless they just silently filtered me..
[06:33:06] <Evanlec> idk
[06:33:12] <Evanlec> guess i'll fuck with it some more tomorrow
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[07:38:12] <sahil> sigh
[07:38:18] <sahil> anyone here use clamav-milter with th esanesecurity signatures>
[07:38:28] <sahil> s/>/?/
[07:39:57] <jeev> not me
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[08:55:18] <vexellon> Hello. im having a problem with a script im writing that uses "sendmail". I have postfix installed and to my understanding postfix handles sendmail transport. The problem is that its not letting me send attachments past a certain file size (that or emails past a size in general)
[08:56:50] <vexellon> how can I increase the maz size?
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[09:13:34] <Motoko-chan> Don't use the sendmail command directly?
[09:13:42] <Motoko-chan> Although it shouldn't have a size limit.
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[10:10:01] <BuenGenio> morning guys
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[11:04:20] <SPF> ok it works now, thx for the topic links!
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[13:50:21] <Danskmand> Hi :-) - I feel so ashamed.....I forgot to write down the name of who helped me yesterday with my postfix-problem....You told me to add "transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport" to my main.cf so my chain postfix->amavisd->clamav->spamassassin->amavisd->postfix->Cyrus works....Please tell me your name :-)
[13:53:54] <sysmonk> Danskmand: dft or f3ew
[13:54:00] <sysmonk> atleast that's what logs say :)
[13:54:31] <Danskmand> You're right ! - I think it was dft :-)
[13:54:57] <Danskmand> Thats the reason he doesnt answer :-) - He's not online :-)
[14:04:28] <Danskmand> Oh well.....maybe you guys can help me too....I have a system where I get my emails with fetchmail from my pop3-boxes from the internet....Then these mails run through the above mentioned chain - except the cyrus part) and gets forwarded to my Lotus Dominoserver via smtp....Works like a charm....Just that the receipient address gets changed from hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de to admin at aktinet dot de
[14:05:34] <Danskmand> I have looked in openmailadmin and see that theres only one user....The user "admin" which has the addresses "hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de"....So I guess it has something to do with that....
[14:11:24] * sysmonk is lazy to read ALL that :P
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[14:13:38] <Danskmand> Hehe :-) - ok....When mails runs though postfix, the recipient gets changed from hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de to admin at aktinet dot de - How can I prevent that ?
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[14:19:30] <Danskmand> ...Better ?
[14:19:56] <sysmonk> depends on what changes it
[14:22:04] <jduggan> there are fetchmail options for that IIRC
[14:22:11] <jduggan> (havent used fetchmail for years)
[14:26:14] <Danskmand> I see it in the "openmailadmin"....Theres only one account named "admin" - it has the address "hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de".....I think this is the reason that it changes...
[14:26:23] <Danskmand> I find in the log: "Sep 27 12:40:46 ext-fw postfix/smtpd[14000]: maps_find: virtual_alias_maps: mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de = admin
[14:26:24] <Danskmand> "
[14:27:01] <Danskmand> "Sep 27 12:40:46 ext-fw postfix/smtpd[14000]: mail_addr_find: hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de -> admin"
[14:35:17] <Danskmand> I know its a long text again - but I cant make it shorter (I think) ...
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[15:02:46] <scott_> is there a way to configure address mapping so that it includes the message ID as part of the email address?
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[15:20:05] <rbd> I'm wondering about hardware recommendations for a high volume email server (30,000+ messages per day)... plain old SMTP and POP are enabled (pop is dovecot) already we have speced out dual quad core cpus, 8+ GB ram... how important are the risks though? can we get away with 7.2K SATA, or should we go to 10K/15K SAS?
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[15:26:38] <sysmonk> uff
[15:26:48] <sysmonk> you 'speec out' quad core cpu's with 8+ gb ram ?
[15:27:18] <sysmonk> rbd: postfix can handle 30k msg's / day easily on p3
[15:27:25] <sysmonk> all the load goes to the antispam mostly
[15:27:34] <rbd> that's what I figured, CPU wise
[15:28:14] <sysmonk> you should define specifically what will you have runing on that box
[15:29:58] <rbd> postfix, dovecot, spamassassin + other anti-spam, bind9 -- possibly with a mysql backend for geo dns ... I think that's what will eat up most of the hardware
[15:30:53] <vice-versa> don't cheap out on the disks
[15:31:50] <sysmonk> yeah, i'd go for 10k rpm's atleast
[15:32:00] <sysmonk> and don't forget raid ;)
[15:32:14] <rbd> yeah, I figure 15k for mysql especially. raid 1 (small dataset)
[15:32:21] <sysmonk> and on 30k emails / day the quad core + 8gb ram should be enough imho
[15:32:33] <vice-versa> yup
[15:32:43] <rbd> ok. cool, thanks
[15:32:47] <DanGer> that's enough for far more emails/day :)
[15:32:56] <rbd> yeah, that's the plan.. it's 30k to start
[15:32:59] <rbd> :)
[15:33:06] <vice-versa> we'll call that growth
[15:34:22] <sysmonk> also you'd need a sysadmin
[15:34:23] <sysmonk> ;P
[15:36:34] <Trengo> and sysmonk wants a job
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[15:37:10] <sysmonk> true ... true .. :)
[15:38:01] <Trengo> i'd hire you if i were my boss
[15:38:04] <Trengo> i'm not :)
[15:38:39] <devdas> You suck :P
[15:39:20] <Trengo> at least im not on dialup
[15:39:49] <devdas> Yeah, but I don't pay for DSL I can't afford to use
[15:41:44] <sysmonk> so, you both suck :P
[15:42:03] * devdas is a black hole
[15:44:45] <Trengo> neither do i
[15:44:50] * Trengo on cable
[15:45:20] <Trengo> sysmonk :P you could send your resume to the UK
[15:45:27] <Trengo> or parallels
[15:45:32] <Trengo> did you try them? :P
[15:48:43] <devdas> I have DSL with caps
[15:49:18] <Trengo> im on 8Mbps but i dont need or use that much
[15:49:27] <Trengo> 512 would be enough
[15:49:54] <sysmonk> Trengo: parallels?
[15:49:56] <sysmonk> i hate them :)
[15:49:59] * devdas offers Trengo 8M down with a 4GB cap
[15:50:01] <sysmonk> we use their software
[15:50:32] <sysmonk> + paralells use QMAIl!!! :)
[15:51:11] <sysmonk> k, afk to the shop
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[15:53:26] <Trengo> sysmonk who doesnt? :) they suffer a lot
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[15:53:53] <Trengo> devdas no thanks no traffic limits here
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[16:06:38] <nonsequitir_> Folks, I have mysql backing a virtual mailsystem, but I'm getting a 'permission denied' from postfix/virtual on my virtual mailbox directory.  I know it's a permissions issue, but the folder in question is owned by vmail.vmail (5001.5001) and main.cf has static:5001 for uid and gid.  Any ideas?
[16:12:17] <devdas> Hmmm
[16:12:30] <devdas> and you get the right path from mysql?
[16:12:44] <devdas> SELinux?
[16:13:35] <Trengo> make sure both postfix and your POP/IMAP server agree on the user
[16:13:42] <Trengo> and its the same as the FS owner
[16:14:26] <devdas> It's still a Postfix/FS issue, POP3 and IMAP don't enter into it
[16:14:28] <Trengo> mine's owned by postfix
[16:14:45] <devdas> bad idea
[16:15:05] <devdas> nonsequitir_: checked that MySQL is returning the correct path?
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[16:18:47] <nonsequitir_> devdas: Yeah, postmap -q  is returning the mydomain.com/stephen
[16:19:35] <nonsequitir_> But if I look in some of the postfix spool folders (...deferred/0) I can see an error trying to write to the tmp folder for the virtual user
[16:19:55] <nonsequitir_> I think I'm missing something very basic.
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[16:22:46] <Trengo> nonsequitir_ perhaps a dir upper in the tree?
[16:22:58] <Trengo> which vmail cant read or list?
[16:23:35] <Trengo> su -s/bin/bash -l vmail -c"/bin/ls /path/to/mydomain.com/stephen"
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[16:56:09] <xpeed> how can i manage via web all postfix user acounting and database data for postfix? there is some free web front end?
[16:57:01] <nonsequitir_> Trengo: sorry about the delay - baby's crying :-) Back in a bit
[16:57:41] <Verilium> xpeed:  look into postfixadmin
[16:59:05] <xpeed> i read about it, but on gentoo, its a kind inestable, well i read an article and it say that
[16:59:16] <xpeed> is it stable?
[17:02:04] <Trengo> nonsequitir_ thats fine, we're all at home here
[17:06:00] <vice-versa> xpeed: stable? it's a web application with a slew of dependencies, draw your own conclusions
[17:07:53] <xpeed> um
[17:08:03] <xpeed> and about securoty issues?
[17:08:10] <xpeed> security
[17:08:55] <vice-versa> ditto
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[17:21:47] <Verilium> xpeed:  can't say I've ran into any issues.  works fine by me.
[17:22:09] <xpeed> oks thank you guys
[17:22:17] <Verilium> like vice-versa said..
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[17:50:30] <sahil> wtf?
[17:51:30] <xpoint> wtc?
[17:52:45] <sahil> wth?
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[17:53:48] <vice-versa> wt?
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[18:26:29] <telmich> hello
[18:26:54] <telmich> how can I tell postfix not to use a ssl connection to the postgres-server? postgres and postfix are running on the same server
[18:27:22] <telmich> I do not find any hint in the reference on http://www.postfix.org/pgsql_table.5.html
[18:27:42] <sahil> heh
[18:28:08] <vice-versa> why would you even need such a requirement if they're on the same box?
[18:28:44] <telmich> I do *NOT* want ssl, but postfix *DOES* try it (which is not allowed and not senseful by the postgres server)
[18:29:14] <BuenGenio> hello guys
[18:29:39] <BuenGenio> i still can't get outpost to authenticate when sending mail, even with PLAIN
[18:29:55] <BuenGenio> i set postfix up to use submission for sending
[18:30:16] <BuenGenio> thunderbird works, so does apple's Mail
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[18:32:08] <BuenGenio> with outlook it's: generic_checks: name=permit_sasl_authenticated status=0
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[18:38:54] <BuenGenio> here's my main.cf http://pastebin.com/d59ed91c9
[18:39:33] <BuenGenio> i've gone around in circles with this and outlook for the last week, so if any of you have any ideas i'd be very happy
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[18:42:59] <vice-versa> telmich: what are you using for the hosts parameter in your pgsql table file(s)?
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[18:56:26] <war9407> what does everyone use for anti-spam here? anything new?
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[18:57:28] <war9407> the barracuda RBL kicks ass
[18:57:30] <war9407> Ill say that
[18:58:45] * vice-versa prefers pre-data spam control along with RBLs
[18:59:11] <vice-versa> what's this barracuda rbl of which you speak?
[18:59:52] <vice-versa> first thing that pops into my mind when I see 'barracuda' is backscatter :(
[19:01:06] <war9407> nope
[19:01:12] <war9407> barracuda is better than zen.spamaus.org
[19:01:16] <war9407> by like 2-4x
[19:01:24] <war9407> according to the chatter on SA mailing list anyway
[19:01:33] <war9407> i've been using it in prod now for a bit, works nice
[19:01:49] <vice-versa> barracuda what though?
[19:03:04] <war9407> http://www.freespamfilter.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5468&sid=c0ed546fe679601f73e1cd4f48193662
[19:03:17] <war9407> Since configuring Postfix to use b.barracudacentral.org, spam totals are down, and rejections are up. I love that trend. Smile No evidence of any HAM being blocked as of yet.
[19:03:23] <war9407> my results are the same as his so far
[19:04:32] <vice-versa> ahh, so we're not talking about the infamous 'Barracuda Spam Firewall', know to many as the 'Barracuda Backscatter Firewall'
[19:06:14] <vice-versa> war9407: what's with the registration?
[19:09:07] <vice-versa> telmich: any joy resolving this yet?
[19:09:49] * vice-versa suspects chroot is involved in this somehow
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[19:14:42] <vice-versa> war9407: just ran a few tests on it, meh it's ok, seems to have well know ips listed but fresh ones from our rbl data and some other data feeds we use it's coming up blank on
[19:15:02] <vice-versa> s/know/known/
[19:18:43] <sahil> barracuda is for lazies.
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[19:21:14] <vice-versa> sahil: huh?
[19:22:13] <sahil> vice-versa: i am allergic to barracuda systems.
[19:23:59] <BuenGenio> vice-versa, any ideas regarding sasl & outlook?
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[19:25:16] <vice-versa> sahil: ahh, network appliances from Barracuda Networks you mean
[19:25:24] * vice-versa doesn't care for them much either
[19:26:50] <vice-versa> BuenGenio: not really, seems to me I was assisting you with this a few days ago but had to go afk or my shift was over or something to that effect
[19:27:12] <BuenGenio> yeah, we were in here for a couple of days
[19:27:14] <BuenGenio> :P
[19:28:32] <vice-versa> refresh my memory and bring me up to speed
[19:29:09] <sahil> vice-versa: yes.
[19:29:46] <telmich> naaaaaaaaaaarf
[19:29:56] <vice-versa> woof
[19:29:57] <telmich> hat wer von euch postfix mit virtualmap an postgres laufen?
[19:30:06] <BuenGenio> we're not talking about uppers again...
[19:30:09] <BuenGenio> sorry
[19:30:09] <telmich> oh, wrong channel
[19:30:10] <BuenGenio> erm
[19:30:32] <BuenGenio> i was trying to set up authentication for outgoing mail
[19:30:40] <BuenGenio> which works in Thunderbird, and doesn't in Outhouise
[19:30:47] <war9407> vice-versa: which do you use?
[19:31:11] <vice-versa> war9407: rbls?
[19:34:59] <vice-versa> telmich: seeing as you made some noise, did you get your postfix/postgres ssl issue resolved?
[19:35:48] <war9407> vice-versa: yeah and rhsbls
[19:37:01] <vice-versa> war9407: no rhsbls, we have our own private rbls that we use first, then zen.spamhaus.org and psbl.surriel.com and sometimes we may use dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net
[19:38:13] <vice-versa> our own rbls account for about 98% of the rbl blocks for us
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[19:41:50] <BuenGenio> vice-versa?
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[19:47:52] <war9407> vice-versa: ah nice-- except dns-1
[19:48:11] <war9407> vice-versa: that blocked ibm.com before-- and other false-positives, I still use it but not for all hosts
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[19:55:08] <lkthomas-home> guys, does postfix be able to auth against ldap and mysql in same time ?
[19:57:41] <xpoint> yes
[19:58:13] <xpoint> just make sure no account is overlapping
[19:58:59] <vice-versa> war9407: yeah same here, only use it for domain that are heavily spamed until it backs down some
[19:59:15] <vice-versa> s/domain/domains/
[19:59:29] <lkthomas-home> I see, I will deal with it later
[19:59:31] <lkthomas-home> brb, thanks
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[20:07:26] <pianohacker> Outgoing mail is put into mailq, but will not be send, and mail.log is not helpful (conf @ http://pastebin.com/d5c56ce4e)
[20:08:07] <pianohacker> Any tips?
[20:09:51] <rcsu> pianohacker: strange, but a must: try to connect to a destination via telnet on port 25
[20:11:06] <pianohacker> telnet to the MX record for gmail.com works
[20:11:43] <pianohacker> Oh, wait a minute, mailq now says that my relayhost timed out while receiving the initial server greeting
[20:11:56] <rcsu> pianohacker: you have a relayhost defined: outbound.mailhop.org:465
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[20:12:06] <rcsu> pianohacker: just remove that option
[20:12:25] <pianohacker> Remove the relayhost? My IP address is on Spamhaus's PBX
[20:12:55] <rcsu> pianohacker: then check your relayhost with telnet
[20:13:01] <pianohacker> k
[20:13:17] <rcsu> pianohacker: all mails will deliverred to this
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[20:22:14] <sahil> does the new generation not rtfm or what?
[20:23:24] <pianohacker> sahil: Are you referring to me ? :)
[20:24:36] <sahil> pianohacker: guilty conscience? :P
[20:24:42] <rcsu> sahil: hey be calm, nothing happens
[20:25:28] <sahil> rcsu: what?
[20:25:38] <sahil> rcsu: what gives you the impression i am *not* calm?
[20:26:04] <rcsu> sahil: just stay tuned. And I dont want to be agressive to you :)
[20:26:41] <rcsu> sahil: a rtfm for a minor q is imho valid
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[20:31:13] <sahil> rcsu: i am not afraid of your aggression.  no worries.
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[20:34:27] <fuxxy> I'm trying to set up a forward to my gmail account using postfix and sasl, using the guide herer: http://www.darryl.cain.com.au/postfix/
[20:35:26] <fuxxy> I origionally had a problem with /etc/mail/aliases.db not present, fix that, now my logs are showing the mail as being forwarded but I'm not recieving the mail, nor does the log file show the gmail details like the guide
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[20:47:43] <endrnet> anyone good with master.cf and various filtering mechanisms?
[20:48:18] <rcsu> endrnet: just ask ;)
[20:49:07] <endrnet> ok, i want to implement AS and clam, but i do not want to use daemons as they consume far too much memory
[20:49:57] <endrnet> so i am trying to put together a script that is called by master.cf that will manually scan each email via the spamassassin and clamassassin commands
[20:50:08] <endrnet> since they run and exit, and i can limit processing to one or two at a time
[20:51:01] <endrnet> i started with amavis but it consumes lots of memory, which kills performance of everything else on my vps
[20:51:28] <endrnet> mail volume is low, one or two emails every 5 minutes
[20:51:59] <endrnet> any suggestions?
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[20:55:30] <subsume> Can someone please help me? root mails are being sent to root at domainbar dot com. I want to know why and what mechanism.
[20:55:45] <subsume> I have root:   domainfoo.com in my /etc/aliases
[20:55:54] <subsume> i change all manner of postfix settings and still mails go to root at domainbar dot com
[20:56:57] <endrnet> run newaliases?
[20:57:08] <subsume> of course
[20:57:13] <subsume> restarted postfix, etc
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[21:06:59] <rcsu> endrnet: you can start SA via the xinetd
[21:07:14] <rcsu> endrnet: but that takes a long time for each message
[21:08:20] <rcsu> endrnet: could that be a solution for you ?
[21:15:39] <pianohacker> Is it possible to set up postfix so that mail sent to a@b is sent to several addresses (i.e., simple mailing list, mailman and its ilk are a bit much)
[21:16:55] <rcsu> pianohacker: if only local recipients are involved then list multiple recipients in aliases
[21:17:19] <pianohacker> rcsu: Unfortunately, the destination addresses will all be at gmai
[21:17:22] <pianohacker> *gmail
[21:17:23] <rcsu> pianohacker: else you need to do it via virtual rewrites
[21:17:38] <pianohacker> sender_canonical_maps ?
[21:17:53] <rcsu> !virtual_alias_maps
[21:17:54] <knoba> rcsu: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[21:18:23] <pianohacker> Awesome, thanks
[21:18:44] <rcsu> knoba and the ! in front of a config directrive is very practical
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[21:21:40] <hyper__ch> hi, I have setup various restrications in my main.cf... especially to reject mails from not-fqdn... now on my computer at home I would like to send cron output to one of my email accounts on the server. How would I "whitelist" my computer at home? I use a dyndns to have a "domain name" constantly pointing at my computer at home
[21:23:23] <hyper__ch> actually, it's not a fqdn but fq-hostname
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[21:25:02] <endrnet> rcsu, i'm thinking running filter.sh
[21:29:17] <rcsu> endrnet: thats a pipe entry in master.cf
[21:29:37] <rcsu> endrnet: dunno wheter it is a good solution
[21:29:42] <rcsu> endrnet: but it can be done
[21:31:50] <hyper__ch> hmmm, mynetworks can only be IP addresses, right?
[21:32:42] <rcsu> !mynetworks
[21:32:43] <knoba> rcsu: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[21:33:23] <rcsu> hyper__ch: also reverse resolveable ip addr can be in mynetworks
[21:33:35] <rcsu> hyper__ch: but you should use mydestinations here
[21:33:59] <rcsu> hyper__ch: since you dont have the possibility to change the reverse lookup
[21:34:14] <hyper__ch> rcsu: well, the only thing that stays constant is  the   dnydns   address...
[21:34:26] <hyper__ch> !mydestinations
[21:34:26] <knoba> hyper__ch: Error: "mydestinations" is not a valid command.
[21:34:40] <rcsu> !mydestination
[21:34:41] <knoba> rcsu: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[21:34:45] <rcsu> sorry
[21:35:30] <hyper__ch> rcsu: hmmmm, but how would that help?
[21:35:53] <rcsu> it can be a table lookup, so it can be any number of domains
[21:36:21] <hyper__ch> rcsu: and that helps to pass the fqhn checks?
[21:36:32] <rcsu> hyper__ch: let a domain with a valid mx pointer point to your postfix instance
[21:36:57] <rcsu> hyper__ch: then direct all mails to this domain
[21:37:04] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I still don't get it... I have several domains on the server
[21:37:23] <hyper__ch> rcsu: but how can I send from cron from my local machine the output into one of the mail accounts
[21:37:32] <hyper__ch> rcsu: the server refuses to accept any mail from cron
[21:37:55] <rcsu> hyper__ch: simply set MAILTO=abc at example dot com in the crontab
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[21:38:08] <dan__t> Good morning.
[21:38:20] <hyper__ch> rcsu: but the server will still not accept my from my home computer
[21:38:25] <rcsu> good evening is better :)
[21:38:50] <dan__t> heheh
[21:38:52] <rcsu> hyper__ch: you have to use smtp_auth then
[21:38:56] <dan__t> That implies beer at that time of day, yes
[21:38:57] <dan__t> ?
[21:39:37] <rcsu> dan__t: why not ? 4 y its morning, 4 me its late :)
[21:39:38] <dan__t> So I'm using a virtual_alias_map to figure out aliases, and when I send an emial to the destination address, it appears that my virtual_alias_map is not being accessed.
[21:39:45] <dan__t> That's understandable, too.
[21:39:47] <hyper__ch> rcsu: now I'm totally confused :(
[21:40:21] <rcsu> hyper__ch: mmt, have to review it
[21:40:23] <dan__t> The query used for my virtual_alias_map does in fact return two results - or, a line formatted to return two results to postfix - but the delivery only goes to one address.  This leads me to believe that virtual_alias_maps is not even being accessed.
[21:40:34] <dan__t> How can I troubleshoot the flow of the mail delivery to figure out what's going on?
[21:41:12] <rcsu> hyper__ch: you have to send the mails to a domain which is accepted on the mailer
[21:41:37] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I have to send mails to an email account which is hosted on that server
[21:42:45] <rcsu> hyper__ch: if you send the mails via 'mail' command
[21:42:51] <rcsu> hyper__ch: do they arrive there ?
[21:42:59] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I'm trying to use mailx
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[21:43:15] <hyper__ch> rcsu: and the server rejects because I have not a fully qualified hostname on my home computer
[21:43:50] <rcsu> hyper__ch: ah, thats it
[21:44:19] <rcsu> hyper__ch: you told your server only to accept mails from a fqdn host
[21:44:21] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I run backups and chkrootkit and rkhunter on my home computer... and I want to send the results to my actual email account on my server
[21:44:33] <rcsu> hyper__ch: but your home server doesnt have one
[21:44:35] <hyper__ch> rcsu: yes, on fqdn hosts are accepted
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[21:44:47] <dan__t> dovecot_destination_recipient_limit is set to 1, which should mean that I'm in the clean on that side.  It just seems that Postfix does not recognize that there are two virtual aliases returned by MySQL, where my alias data is stored.
[21:44:55] <rcsu> hyper__ch: and you are not able to set up a fqdn entry for your home server
[21:45:19] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I'd rather say I don't know how t setup a fqdn entry for my home computer
[21:45:20] <rcsu> hyper__ch: so you have to punch a whole into the fqdn mimic
[21:45:34] <rcsu> hyper__ch: you dont have a chance
[21:45:37] <hyper__ch> rcsu: yes, there should be a way to white list my computer
[21:45:49] <hyper__ch> rcsu: I mean I can set mynetworks and put my ip address in there
[21:45:57] <hyper__ch> rcsu: but on dsl it changes once in a while
[21:45:58] <rcsu> hyper__ch: a reverse lookup is set up by your provider (your home conn)
[21:46:27] <rcsu> hyper__ch: thats why i mentioned smtp_auth
[21:46:41] <hyper__ch> rcsu: isn't there an option that I can set to white list a an IP that goes for a domain --> my   dyndns-"subdomain"
[21:47:03] <hyper__ch> rcsu: smtp_auth does not tell me anything
[21:47:04] <rcsu> hyper__ch: you can tell postifix to recognise smtp_auth connections without a valid fqdn
[21:47:55] <hyper__ch> rcsu: how? I'd only want to open for my account
[21:48:03] <hyper__ch> rcsu: for my computer I mean
[21:48:33] * rcsu is thinking of a solution
[21:49:04] <hyper__ch> I could open a whole subset of IPs but I'd rather not do that :(
[21:50:17] <hyper__ch> rcsu: but how would smtp_auth work?
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[21:55:40] <hyper__ch> rcsu: don't bother... I thought there must have been a simple way to white-list a dyndns domain :(
[21:55:52] <dan__t> It appears that *none* of my addresses in virtual_alias_maps are being referenced.
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[22:01:14] <dan__t> Anyone know why virtual_alias_maps is not being used at all?  What can I look for?
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[22:04:30] <fuxxy> it works!
[22:06:12] <dan__t> Mine doesn't! ;)
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[22:44:48] <dan__t> dum de dum
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[23:04:52] <dan__t> Anyone have a moment to help me troubleshoot a virtual_alias_maps issue?  It seems as if Postfix simply isn't using it.  postmap only shows one instance of it, MySQL is working properly because it works for virtual domains and virtual users - just not aliases.
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[23:08:51] <GetDarker`> Hi Signum are you there?
[23:11:43] <dan__t> Hello, GetDarker`
[23:12:03] <GetDarker`> Hi, I am having trouble with postfix, I have followed this guide: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ - but I cant seem to login using outlook 2007 - wondering if someone can help debug
[23:14:21] <dan__t> Are you using POP3 or IMAP to log in with Outlook?
[23:14:31] <dan__t> Have you looked at your POP3/IMAP server's logs?
[23:15:19] <dan__t> Looks like Dovecot, from what I can read.
[23:15:23] <dan__t> What do those logs say?
[23:17:28] <dan__t> For my problem, btw, postmap -q returns two addresses, as it should.
[23:17:45] <GetDarker`> I am using POP3 to log in
[23:17:50] <GetDarker`> Ok hangon just rebooting it
[23:17:59] <dan__t> What are the erorrs that you get from Outlook, what are the messages you get from Dovecot?
[23:18:05] <GetDarker`> I sent an email and it said "unknown user 'ashley'"
[23:18:25] <dan__t> Sending an email does not involve POP3.
[23:18:45] <dan__t> Are you using Postfix as your SMTP server, or are you using your ISP's SMTP server, to send email?
[23:19:39] <GetDarker`> postfix
[23:19:56] <dan__t> So your SMTP server - outgoing mail server - is defined in Outlook as the one that you had just set up?
[23:20:13] <GetDarker`> i know sending email dosent involve pop3 but surely the email should have been recieved and not bounced?
[23:20:26] <dan__t> Not if the user is unknown... right?
[23:20:38] <GetDarker`> But it runs off of MySQL and the user is defined there
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[23:20:55] <dan__t> have you used postmap to verify that MySQL "knows" about the user?
[23:21:54] <GetDarker`> how do i do that?
[23:22:01] <GetDarker`> oh hangon its in the doc
[23:24:11] <GetDarker`> ok
[23:24:18] <GetDarker`> postmap -q ashley at ncicms dot co.uk mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf
[23:24:21] <GetDarker`> That returns 1
[23:25:28] <GetDarker`> ah
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[23:25:41] <GetDarker`> can't login using outlook because plain text authentication is disabled
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[23:26:49] <dan__t> dovecot has a disable_plaintext_auth
[23:27:45] <GetDarker`> Yeh
[23:27:48] <GetDarker`> I just changed it
[23:29:59] <GetDarker`> ok thats fixed
[23:30:06] <GetDarker`> But its now not sending email, hm.
[23:30:18] <GetDarker`> Outlook 2007 hangs at sending the email.
[23:30:48] <GetDarker`> "None of the authentication methods supported by this server are supported by this client"
[23:33:45] <GetDarker`> Any ideas dan__t?
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[23:43:12] <GetDarker`> dan__t, when sending mail to my mailserver it says user "ashley" dosent exis
[23:43:13] <GetDarker`> The mail system
[23:43:14] <GetDarker`> <ashley at ncicms dot co.uk>: unknown user: "ashley"
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[23:45:55] <GetDarker`> Anyone able to help me?
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[23:53:39] <dan__t> sorry got caught in something here
[23:55:53] <GetDarker`> I can send emails from it, but I can't recieve emails
[23:58:22] <kexman> i asked for a delayed DSN
[23:58:49] <kexman> and the message is delayed. but i didnt got no mail response from my server telling me this
[23:59:01] <kexman> for successfull messages i get a delayed DSN response





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