[00:02:20] <loompek> do you have a policy daemon api for postfix?
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[02:27:53] <stainer1> Anyone familiar with using a "smart host" (sbcglobal specifically) to run a mailserver when you have a dynamic ip? If this is the wrong channel, if I could be pointed in the right direction, that would be awesome.
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[02:32:12] <brd> stainer1: Postfix calls it relayhost
[02:35:27] <stainer1> is there a how to somewhere?
[02:35:34] <stainer1> and thanks :)
[02:36:25] <stainer1> google has lots of stuff... I should be good.
[02:36:57] <stainer1> my wife got me a server for our anniversary... I have stuff to do for the next 10 years
[02:37:05] <brd> hehe, that is awesome :D
[02:37:16] <brd> stainer1: check the official docs at postfix.org
[02:37:59] <stainer1> k... setting up a mailserver is new for me, but as long as there is a how to or something, I should be good.
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[02:40:47] <brd> stainer1: I really like The Book of Postfix if you like books..
[02:42:30] <stainer1> ok, I will check it out.
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[03:00:05] <stainer1> hey brd, thanks for the pointers, I just found some stuff, and when I get back home from this business trip, I am pretty sure I can get it running with relayhost and dyndns.
[03:02:35] <brd> stainer1: np, good luck :)
[03:03:10] <__machine> what's the easiest way to get dkim setup with postfix for outbound mail?
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[03:52:56] <jeev> __machine, i use amavisd-new but never said it's easy :D
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[05:02:43] <Templar_Xion> If I don't have a FQDN what is suggested for the FQDN when configuring Postfix?
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[05:03:31] <Templar_Xion> I'm intending to use Postfix as an internal MTA, but to send out to FQDN email addresses
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[05:15:49] <puff> Templar_Xion: be aware, some sites won't accept email unless you have reverse IP.  Really annoying.
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[05:22:48] <hparker> bitch at the spammers using all the zombies
[05:23:33] <hparker> Templar_Xion: Use your internal network setup as long as postfix HELOs as a properly setup external DNS name
[05:27:16] <Templar_Xion> hparker: Alright. for an internal Dn should I just use the mailservers sysname/dhcpname?
[05:27:48] <hparker> Yeah, that should work
[05:27:59] <hparker> May have to setup split DNS views is all
[05:30:24] <Templar_Xion> thakn you :)
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[05:33:08] <TDT_> Hey all.  I was a bit curious about a problem I'm trying to resolve.  I think I may have narrowed it down, but need a bit of help to see if I'm on the right direction.  The issue is that I'd like to have postfix for sendmail, for every email that's sent outside the local box (so foo at gmail dot com, whatever) would map to a certain user in the local box.
[05:33:42] <TDT_> I read a bit about the smtp_generic_maps, and read a bit about that, and came up with something like, in my /etc/postfix/generic, the line @ foo@localhost
[05:33:45] <hparker> !recipient_bcc
[05:33:45] <knoba> hparker: Error: "recipient_bcc" is not a valid command.
[05:33:47] <hparker> ...
[05:34:09] <hparker> TDT_: I think recipient_bcc is what you're looking for
[05:34:19] <hparker> Poke the postfix docs for more info
[05:34:23] <TDT_> I'd prefer if the email actually never leaves the system, this is totally for development.
[05:34:41] <hparker> Then block port 25 outbound :P
[05:34:43] <TDT_> I could just use fixtures to local data, but prefer kinda this safety net so random people don't get emailed
[05:35:12] <TDT_> haha, well...being able to view what would have been sent would be nice though :)
[05:35:12] <hparker> You could futz with dns
[05:35:14] <hparker> you can view the queue files
[05:35:25] <hparker> pfqueue makes it easy
[05:36:01] <TDT_> hmm, interesting, never heard of that package but I will take a look at it.
[05:36:18] <hparker> ncurses interface to the queues
[05:36:19] <TDT_> I suppose just disabling port 25 as you said does make sense as a possible solution.
[05:36:31] <TDT_> *nod* yeah, read a bit abot it in the emerge screen right now
[05:36:38] <hparker> Can view, requeue, delete, etc
[05:36:50] <hparker> mmMmm... emerge ;)
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[05:40:24] <TDT_> hehe, yeah, gentoo guy for the development thing.
[05:40:59] <TDT_> I think I found another option as well, siimilar to what you said..well, kinda inspired me to check on this, but in the /etc/postfix/master.cf, if I set smtp to fifo instead of inet..maybe it wont send? not sure, reading still on that
[05:41:05] <hparker> heh.. I run it on my desktops, servers, everywhere... For some reason
[05:41:21] <hparker> fifo to what?
[05:41:24] <TDT_> You have a lot more guts than I do, servers I kinda draw the line
[05:41:36] <hparker>  /whois me
[05:41:38] <TDT_> fifo for file input, file output...assuming that's what they mean, to drop it into a file instead.
[05:41:56] <TDT_> ah ok, core gentoo guy, cool
[05:42:01] <hparker> you'll need something listening on the other end of the fifo to collect it
[05:42:08] <hparker> Not core, just a dev ;)
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[05:53:17] <TDT_> awesome, good solution just found
[05:54:01] <hparker> what did you decide on?
[05:55:04] <TDT_> Went into master.cf and commented out smtp, both for listening and for delivery.
[05:55:25] <TDT_> Which will block all outgoing emails, but not route them, but will allow the internal stuff.
[05:55:47] <hparker> that should work
[05:55:49] <TDT_> Works pretty well actually.  I can see that queue getting a little large eventually, so I'll need to create a cron job to remove it
[05:56:05] <TDT_> So far it worked pretty well, I get a transport error on a service not available if I send to anything outside this box.
[05:56:08] <TDT_> Which is optimal really
[05:57:48] <sahil> why don't you defer_transports?
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[05:58:30] <TDT_> That wasn't mentioned, and I didn't see documentation on that (been drowning in postfix documentation for awhile now)
[05:59:06] <sahil> grep the docs for defer_transports
[05:59:44] <TDT_> Yeah, already did
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[06:14:28] <TDT_> hahah, ok oh god, totally disgusting but I actually improved all this a bit.
[06:14:49] <TDT_> I added what you originally mentioned, hparker, with the always_bcc.
[06:14:55] <TDT_> So now it fails and still reports the email.
[06:15:35] <hparker> ok... so does it succeed at failing or fail at succeeding?
[06:15:53] <TDT_> It gives the message as if it succeeded, but it actually fails at sending.
[06:16:03] <hparker> ;)
[06:16:03] <TDT_> Which...is horrible, but it works.
[06:16:14] <plarsen> How would I approach setting up virtual domains the source of each domain is a separate ldap dn tree?
[06:16:41] * hparker can barely spell ldap :P
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[06:27:50] <plarsen> Any bids? What if there's no LDAP? If you have two directories (files) one for org1 and one for org2 with usernames/email addies. How do you set that up?
[06:28:17] <plarsen> Do you have to make one virtual map files that contains both organizations?
[06:34:39] <hparker> No, you can do multiple  lookups, first match wins
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[09:25:39] <Knoedel2> is it possible to patch amavis with the policyd v2 patch and use it wihout a database ?
[09:27:52] <vice-versa> O.o
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[09:29:28] <cinderous> im totally blank right now, where can you configure the directory postfix makes based on %d domain? everything is working fine right now for me but postfix dumps everything into a folder by %u and I can't find the configuration for postfix's side
[09:29:45] <cinderous> since I can easily change the location dovecot looks for the folder postfix places messages in
[09:30:19] <cinderous> i know ive seen it before, i cant find the config path for postfix to place maildrop
[09:30:21] <cinderous> if that makes sense
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[09:31:37] <Hyperi> uhm
[09:32:17] <Hyperi> virtual_mailbox_base = /var/spool/mail
[09:32:18] <Hyperi> ?
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[09:32:31] <Hyperi> Or home_mailbox = Maildir/
[09:32:44] <Hyperi> Depending are you using virtual or local
[09:32:51] <cinderous> im using virtual
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[09:33:01] <perlmonkey> morning guys
[09:33:44] <Hyperi> cinderous: mhm
[09:33:56] <perlmonkey> just got up to a strange problem.. cant connect to my mail server.. even on local IP address.. mail server is running, not a firewall issue.. any ideas?
[09:34:01] <cinderous> ah okay i see
[09:34:23] <cinderous> i guess I could add /%d/ at the end of virtual_mailbox_base
[09:34:24] <Hyperi> perlmonkey: It's not accepting connections.
[09:34:39] <Hyperi> cinderous: It should create it automatically tbh
[09:34:39] <perlmonkey> Hyperi: ya I figured that much, but any ideas why
[09:35:06] <cinderous> Hyperi: it creates a folder based on the mailbox username
[09:35:22] <cinderous> so it gets a little messy if I have a bunch of mailboxess ince the username ends in the domain name
[09:35:26] <Hyperi> cinderous: Then the mailbox user isn't defined as virtual :)
[09:35:35] <vice-versa> !tell perlmonkey obvious
[09:35:36] <knoba> perlmonkey: -> "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[09:35:49] <perlmonkey> ok thanks
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[09:36:23] <cinderous> =/
[09:36:36] <perlmonkey> doesnt seem to be any problems in mail server log
[09:37:30] <perlmonkey> Sep 26 08:14:10 server postfix/smtpd[19684]: warning: TLS library problem: 19684:error:20074002:BIO routines:FILE_CTRL:system lib:bss_file.c:354:
[09:37:34] <perlmonkey> thats all i can see
[09:39:04] <perlmonkey> stop/start postfix has no effect, connections still being refused
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[09:40:17] <cinderous> well screw it my mail works i can live with a messy mailbox account folder
[09:41:22] <perlmonkey> interestingly mail works at shell on server
[09:41:23] <Hyperi> heh
[09:41:42] <Hyperi> "Weird" :D
[09:41:53] <perlmonkey> it is
[09:41:54] <Hyperi> Try fixing your TLS? :)
[09:42:11] <Hyperi> Doesn't use TLS when mailing locally ^^
[09:42:14] <perlmonkey> I have no clue what that is or why it should suddenly stop working
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[09:42:22] <perlmonkey> this server has been running for 5 years
[09:42:34] <Hyperi> Updated some libraries lately? (o:
[09:42:44] <perlmonkey> no i havent done any updates for a while
[09:42:50] <Hyperi> Things don't break by themselves
[09:42:53] <perlmonkey> the server worked fine up until a few hours ago its weird
[09:42:58] <Hyperi> So some changes has happened probably
[09:42:59] <perlmonkey> true, so what happened
[09:43:15] <Hyperi> Outer firewall ?
[09:43:19] <perlmonkey> seriously i have not updated or installed anything
[09:43:24] <Hyperi> hmm nvm, if it can't connect locally to the port
[09:43:27] <Hyperi> Try telnettin to it ?
[09:43:44] <perlmonkey> I tried telnet but connection was refused to server period
[09:43:48] <Hyperi> 'telnet localhost smtp'
[09:44:11] <perlmonkey> ok that works
[09:44:15] <perlmonkey> im connected
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[09:45:46] <Hyperi> What does it output ?
[09:46:03] <perlmonkey> Connected to 192.168.1.1. Escape character is '^]'.
[09:46:04] <perlmonkey> 220 magnia.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
[09:46:17] <Hyperi> So that means it works :)
[09:46:27] <Hyperi> You can connect to it
[09:46:28] <perlmonkey> must be a client problem then eh
[09:46:30] <msshams> i use amavisd-new and spamassasin and clamav. now i want to sign outgoing mails with domain keys. can you help me please?
[09:52:22] <perlmonkey> hmm seems server is refusing connections to mail server
[09:52:30] <perlmonkey> other clients are reporting same problem
[09:53:06] <vice-versa> I can connect to it fine
[09:53:14] <Hyperi> msshams: Did you try googling some guide up first ?
[09:53:38] <perlmonkey> vice-versa you can connect to magnia.net?
[09:53:49] <Hyperi> I get 220 magnia.net ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU)
[09:53:55] <vice-versa> perlmonkey: yup
[09:53:56] <perlmonkey> woah thats strange
[09:53:56] <Hyperi> No problems for me either :)
[09:54:06] <Hyperi> So that makes it your failure somewhere
[09:54:17] <Hyperi> You're using TLS encryption in your clients (which aparently doesn't work on your server)
[09:54:25] <msshams> Hyperi: yes. but i can't find useful doc
[09:54:28] <perlmonkey> but im also getting another client outside my network reporting connection refused
[09:54:44] <Hyperi> msshams: funny. As I got plenty with just 'postfix domain keys' keywords :)
[09:55:18] <f3ew> perlmonkey tcpdump?
[09:55:36] <f3ew> perhaps your ISP is blocking port 25?
[09:56:01] <Hyperi> yup
[09:56:10] <Hyperi> Which would mean funfun portforwarding for you:P
[09:56:15] <msshams> Hyperi: yes, with this phrase i can find many docs too. but now, i installed postfix+amavisd-new+dovecot in debian-etch. with this status i can't find that how can i signing my email with domainkey
[09:56:53] <perlmonkey> f3ew: :-/
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[09:57:54] <Hyperi> msshams: http://www.enterux.com/en/resources/yahoo-domainkeys-howto-debian
[09:58:01] <Hyperi> Specially for debian :)
[09:58:29] <perlmonkey> this sucks
[09:58:42] <sysmonk> uf, atleast it's not a perlmonk
[09:58:42] <sysmonk> ;)
[09:59:10] <perlmonkey> we can rule out ISP
[09:59:23] <perlmonkey> as i cant connect even on my own local network on port 110 to pop server
[09:59:41] <vice-versa> !pop
[09:59:42] <knoba> vice-versa: "pop" : postfix is not a pop or imap server
[09:59:58] <perlmonkey> so the problem lies elsewhere?
[10:00:12] <vice-versa> apparently
[10:01:05] <perlmonkey> I have no clue what im using for pop, what do people typically use with postfix?
[10:02:14] <vice-versa> ask the admin
[10:02:20] <perlmonkey> thats me
[10:02:21] <perlmonkey> :P
[10:02:27] <vice-versa> damn
[10:02:38] <perlmonkey> aye
[10:03:18] <perlmonkey> i dont see anything remotely like a pop daemon in /etc/init.d :-/
[10:04:01] <vice-versa> courier and dovecot are popular
[10:04:26] <perlmonkey> i think i used something called qpopper? or similiar name, q something
[10:06:30] <perlmonkey> ya looks like i have qpopper installed, but strangely its not in /etc/init.d/
[10:08:07] <Hyperi> sysmonk: haha heya there :)
[10:08:36] <sysmonk> hi
[10:08:41] <perlmonkey> this sucks
[10:08:54] <Hyperi> sysmonk: Starting to sing soon? :)
[10:09:06] <sysmonk> hare krishna hare hare
[10:09:07] <sysmonk> ;)
[10:09:34] <Hyperi> ^^
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[10:09:48] <giskard> hi *
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[10:11:45] <giskard> i got some problem with my sasl setup:  http://paste.debian.net/17993/
[10:11:49] <giskard> where i'm wrong
[10:12:37] <perlmonkey> no channel for qpopper that sucks
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[10:15:47] <perlmonkey> great, pdf manual for qpopper and no mention of how to start the daemon even. i can see its going to be one of those days.
[10:16:10] <Hyperi> haha :)
[10:16:18] <Hyperi> Have you tried to connect to it ? )
[10:16:29] <Hyperi> Or reading logs ? :)
[10:16:29] <sysmonk> qpopper--
[10:16:38] <sysmonk> isn't qpopper thing started from inetd ?
[10:16:47] <Hyperi> imo
[10:17:11] <Hyperi> Check /etc/services file :)
[10:18:04] <Hyperi> POP3 isn't even accepting connections, IMAP is stalling :/
[10:18:19] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:18:59] <perlmonkey> root@server:/etc# telnet localhost pop3  Trying 127.0.0.1...
[10:18:59] <perlmonkey> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[10:19:01] <sysmonk> qpoop-er
[10:19:03] <sysmonk> ;)
[10:19:08] <Hyperi> hehe
[10:19:10] <perlmonkey> yeah thats a fitting description
[10:19:13] <Hyperi> I say get rid of it
[10:19:24] <Hyperi> This is the first time I hear abotu qpopper for years tbh :P
[10:19:28] <Hyperi> (Honestly)
[10:19:29] <perlmonkey> but ive had it 5 years and no problems until today
[10:19:42] <Hyperi> Well check the logs then :)
[10:19:42] <sysmonk> doh, then maybe you have to rethink about your solution
[10:19:48] <sysmonk> what logs?!
[10:19:48] <sysmonk> ;)
[10:20:20] <Hyperi> Well if he doesn't want to change it to a proper daemon, he should probably fix it ? :P
[10:20:33] <Hyperi> Tho I'm shooting in the dark here, no memories about qpopper tbh
[10:20:47] <Hyperi> Anyways
[10:21:12] <Hyperi> The file /etc/services should have the line for pop3 and shows you which command is executed on connection to that port
[10:21:17] <Hyperi> (pop3 = 110 port)
[10:21:41] <perlmonkey> ya
[10:21:47] <perlmonkey> I got it, everything seems ok
[10:22:02] <Hyperi> imap2 = 143, imap3 = 220 and imaps = 993
[10:22:04] <sysmonk> Hyperi: o_o
[10:22:18] <Hyperi> perlmonkey: Got the logs?
[10:22:28] <perlmonkey> nothing is reported in the logs
[10:22:28] <sysmonk> Hyperi: /etc/services doesn't list a "which command is executed on connection to that port"
[10:22:34] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: got root?
[10:22:36] <perlmonkey> ya
[10:22:47] <Hyperi> sysmonk: ssh :P
[10:22:48] <sysmonk> start from typing in rm -fr /* ;)
[10:22:57] <Hyperi> haha :D
[10:23:03] <perlmonkey> dont be an idiot
[10:23:03] <sysmonk> then fetch freebsd iso
[10:23:04] <Hyperi> sysmonk: You remind me of one IRC quote
[10:23:08] <sysmonk> and reinstall your server
[10:23:13] <Hyperi> "What are you doing? We don't help people here, we yell at people!"
[10:23:19] * vice-versa slaps sysmonk
[10:23:26] * sysmonk re-slaps vice-versa
[10:23:27] <Hyperi> sysmonk: Are you some kind of sadist? :P
[10:23:39] <perlmonkey> nah hes just a plonker
[10:23:41] <Hyperi> sysmonk: BSD on someone who can't even manage linux ? :D
[10:23:49] <sysmonk> Hyperi: i think 99% people on freenode know what rm -fr does
[10:23:51] <sysmonk> and won't do that
[10:23:56] <Hyperi> BSD is the hardest free *nix OS :P
[10:24:00] <sysmonk> except the 80% on #ubuntu
[10:24:05] <perlmonkey> what about the 1% who dont, its foolish to give out such advice
[10:24:15] <Hyperi> Anywas don't go emo
[10:24:20] <vice-versa> indeed
[10:24:21] <Hyperi> We were enough offtracks with the qpopper already :P
[10:24:36] <Hyperi> And almost got BSD vs. Linux
[10:24:52] * sysmonk gets some more wood for the flame
[10:24:56] <Hyperi> MY call is check the logs and try to find why it isn't working
[10:25:03] <Hyperi> sysmonk: :D
[10:25:15] <sysmonk> my call is - it's not a postfix problem first of all - secondly, check if qpopper is runing
[10:25:30] <sysmonk> check if anything is listening on the 110 port ( sockstat -4l on bsd, or netstat -nap on lunix )
[10:25:36] <sysmonk> if it's not, then how did you start it before?
[10:25:54] <sysmonk> was it started from inetd ( xinetd on most lunix nowadays)
[10:25:55] <Trengo> qpopper is probably called from inetd
[10:26:04] <sysmonk> Trengo: that's what i said 20 minutes ago
[10:26:07] <Trengo> but it sucks
[10:26:10] <Trengo> like BSD
[10:26:12] * Trengo hids
[10:26:19] <sysmonk> if it was started from [x]inetd, then is it now ?
[10:26:19] <Trengo> sysmonk sorry, only got here now
[10:26:24] <sysmonk> is inetd runing?
[10:26:33] <perlmonkey> seems like nothing is listening on port 110
[10:26:41] <perlmonkey> strange
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[10:26:49] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: is qpopper started from inetd?
[10:27:05] <sysmonk> grep -R qpopper /etc/*inet*
[10:27:07] <perlmonkey> it should of been, but i tried to start it manually earlier using the line from inetd
[10:27:14] <perlmonkey> and it seemed to start without any probs reported
[10:27:23] <perlmonkey> ok thanks
[10:27:24] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: is [x]inetd runing?
[10:27:49] <perlmonkey> ya
[10:27:56] <perlmonkey> i see qpopper
[10:28:00] <sysmonk> btw, is it xinetd or inetd ?
[10:28:08] <perlmonkey> inetd
[10:28:36] <perlmonkey> all other services seem unaffected
[10:28:38] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: ps -xuaw | grep inetd; grep qpop /etc/inetd.conf
[10:28:39] <sysmonk> and pastebin that
[10:28:42] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:28:45] <sysmonk> and also, netstat -nap | grep 110
[10:28:48] <sysmonk> and pastebin that too
[10:29:48] <perlmonkey> http://pastebin.com/m15f8e414
[10:30:09] <perlmonkey> nothing returned for grep 110
[10:30:43] <sysmonk> you have pop-3
[10:30:46] <sysmonk> change that to pop3
[10:30:48] <sysmonk> (in inetd.conf)
[10:30:50] <sysmonk> and restart inetd
[10:30:52] <perlmonkey> ah
[10:30:53] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:31:01] <perlmonkey> how the hell did that get changed
[10:32:03] <sysmonk> and check if it works
[10:32:18] <perlmonkey> doesnt seem to have made any difference :(
[10:32:29] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: netstat -nap | grep 110
[10:32:36] <sysmonk> does it return anything NOW ? :)
[10:32:44] <perlmonkey> no
[10:32:57] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: did you restart inetd?
[10:33:22] <perlmonkey> ya, grep on inetd now shows pop3
[10:33:39] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: grep 110 /etc/services
[10:33:40] <sysmonk> and pastebin
[10:34:10] <perlmonkey> http://pastebin.com/m13073866
[10:34:49] <sysmonk> oh, you had the pop-3 defined there too
[10:34:55] <perlmonkey> :-/
[10:35:00] <sysmonk> as an alias
[10:35:10] <sysmonk> anyway, having pop3 or pop-3 shouldn't matter than
[10:35:12] <sysmonk> then*
[10:35:16] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:36:20] <sysmonk> ok, so, did you really restart inetd? ( pastebin the ps -xuaw | grep inetd )
[10:37:09] <perlmonkey> http://pastebin.com/me80e404
[10:37:23] <sysmonk> you didn't
[10:37:27] <perlmonkey> oops
[10:37:46] <sysmonk> and i don't know, but i don't like the Ss
[10:37:50] <perlmonkey> inetd restart didn't do it
[10:38:14] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: then stop it and start it
[10:38:20] <perlmonkey> ok will try again
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[10:38:55] <perlmonkey> no change on grep
[10:39:25] <perlmonkey> strange
[10:40:12] <perlmonkey> I killed it and started again
[10:40:36] <sysmonk> and ?
[10:40:54] <perlmonkey> its no longer showing in grep
[10:41:02] <perlmonkey> root     22219  0.0  0.5   3060   696 pts/0    R+   09:28   0:00 grep inetd
[10:41:31] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: then go fetch the logs
[10:41:38] <perlmonkey> Sep 26 09:28:18 server inetd[22213]: start: No such file or directory
[10:41:51] <sysmonk> how did you start it ?
[10:42:09] <perlmonkey> inetd start
[10:42:16] <sysmonk> grep ...
[10:42:19] <sysmonk> woops, sorry
[10:42:24] <sysmonk> /etc/init.d/inetd start
[10:42:32] <perlmonkey> ok i started it without the start using full path
[10:42:40] <perlmonkey> its started now and showing in grep
[10:42:46] <sysmonk> and what about pop3?
[10:42:49] <perlmonkey> root     22228  0.0  0.4   1884   588 ?        Ss   09:30   0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[10:42:58] * perlmonkey checks
[10:43:07] <perlmonkey> woah pop3 back
[10:43:13] <perlmonkey> thanks!!
[10:43:16] <sysmonk> good, then i'm out for a smoke && coffee
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[10:43:27] <perlmonkey> im still really baffled how that pop-3 got changed
[10:43:32] <perlmonkey> ok
[10:43:44] <sysmonk> perlmonkey: should have worked with pop-3 too
[10:43:50] <sysmonk> as it's there aliased in /etc/services
[10:44:07] <perlmonkey> oh maybe it was just inetd got messed up somehow?
[10:47:20] * perlmonkey gives sysmonk cookies for the coffee
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[10:52:13] <sysmonk> maybe it was. but still, qpoop sucks :P
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[10:58:40] <Hyperi> sysmonk doesn't drink coffee
[10:58:46] <Hyperi> He drinks liquid binary
[10:58:57] <Hyperi> (and sings hare krishna meanwhile)
[10:59:06] <sysmonk> i drink something which reminds coffee :)
[10:59:07] <Hyperi> Sorry... hare_krishna :P
[10:59:13] <sysmonk> yeah, hare_krishna ftw :)
[10:59:17] <Hyperi> :P
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[11:03:17] <perlmonkey> is he a hairy krishna
[11:03:58] <perlmonkey> sometimes my server seems to have a mind of its own
[11:12:50] <vice-versa> heh, that's end user speak for "I have no fucking idea what's happening"
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[11:27:19] <Hyperi> :)
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[11:45:00] <perlmonkey> end user
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[11:46:33] <Danskmand> Aloha ;-) - I have a config where I receive my emails by running a fetchmail every 5 mins. Its being forwarded to a postfix on the same machine. The mails do then run through this chain: postfix->amavisd->clamav->spamassassin->amavisd->postfix->Cyrus.
[11:46:34] <Danskmand> This was pre-installed, so I am not totally into this config. My problem are 2 things. As I said, mails are forwarded to cyrus. But I am running a Lotus Domino server "behind" the postfix server and I want amarisd-new to forward mails to my Lotus Dominoserver after the mails have been checked through this chain. Not to forward it to cyrus.
[11:48:33] <Danskmand> And the next poblem is that mails from fetchmail should be forwarded to my Dominoserver (receive) and mails coming FROM my Dominoserver to bwe forwarded to the relay-server of my provider....
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[11:54:49] <Danskmand> If you ned my postconf: http://pastebin.com/d59b7690e
[11:55:26] <Danskmand> I am able to send mails....
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[12:26:40] <Sero> how can I change a users sending address? I'd like to change "apache" to something else
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[12:31:40] <Edward123> hullo
[12:33:20] <vice-versa> Sero: that's typically set within the mua
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[12:35:10] <xpoint> soro generic_maps
[12:35:25] <xpoint> sorry Sero
[12:35:42] <Sero> ?
[12:35:54] <xpoint> apache <>
[12:37:18] <xpoint> seems vierd ?
[12:38:02] <xpoint> users do not  want to reply back to a webserver :)
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[12:40:24] <robtone_> ?
[12:40:48] <robtone_> Sero, see http://us2.php.net/function.mail (section additional_parameters)
[12:41:09] * robtone_ supposes this is PHP related
[12:41:45] <robtone_> otherwise, nevertheless, it boils down to: use sendmail -f
[12:42:25] <vice-versa> indeed
[12:42:31] <Edward123> robtone_ ftw?
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[12:44:12] <robtone_> and you should not set it to <> but to some address where bounces will be read.
[12:44:26] <xpoint> robtone_, this does not set From: just envelope sender
[12:45:17] <xpoint> robtone_, huh ?, generic maps with just apache <> is fine for what is needed
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[12:46:23] <robtone_> xpoint, of course you don't want to get ahold of some mailflooding and maybe resulting bounces, some start to act when they are blacklisted.
[12:46:49] <xpoint> who gets the problem ?
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[12:47:51] * robtone_ refuses to answer this
[12:54:59] <xpoint> robtone_, if my mailserver gets blacklist becurse i send dsn then the recipient need more clue
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[12:56:20] * cpm refuses robtone_
[12:56:26] <robtone_> xpoint, if seros server is being abused he _does_ want to know this. bounces are usually the first evidence.
[12:57:04] <Edward123> hey i use postfix with an ldap backend which runs sexily but i'm looking for a way to forward mail for accounts on to external hosts (e.g. mail coming from edward at netring dot co.uk gets re-routed back out to madduck37 at yahoo dot com)
[12:57:22] <Edward123> now i'm strongly suspecting if i put 'madduck37 at yahoo dot com' in the maildrop field i am just going to enter a world of not-working
[12:57:34] <xpoint> problem is just that it creates more silly problem doing it so
[12:57:55] <Edward123> in the examples on the postfix.org they just put the to/from address in /etc/postfix/virtual.... but i'm not sure how i'd translate this?
[12:58:52] <xpoint> i see alot "can not reply at domain dot tld" bulk mails that clearly says in budy it can be reply'ed, but the mail is not sendt <>
[12:59:23] <xpoint> cant
[12:59:45] <Edward123> i already run virtual_alias_maps from ldap, the config looks like this:
[12:59:57] <Edward123> http://pastebin.com/m14db1549
[13:04:32] * robtone_ reuses cpm
[13:04:41] * cpm feels reused
[13:04:46] <Edward123> OK scrap that... it appears that if you do put an external message in the maildrop it does actually attempt to deliver it externally
[13:05:01] <Edward123> but then what if i want local delivery AND to ship the message out?
[13:05:07] <cpm> aliases?
[13:05:15] * Edward123 binds to robtone_ and cpm
[13:05:21] <Edward123> cpm, virtual aliases
[13:05:36] * cpm feels uncomfortable
[13:05:39] <Edward123> heh
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[13:06:37] <Edward123> virtual_alias_maps = ldap:/etc/postfix/ldap-aliases.cf <- http://pastebin.com/m14db1549
[13:08:28] <Edward123> hmm maybe postfix can handle 2 maildrops? let's see
[13:08:39] <robtone_> uhm, BCC?
[13:09:08] <Edward123> BCC...... good idea!
[13:09:40] <Edward123> but i'm not sure how to tell postfix to find that data in ldap if it's based around the alias_maps
[13:10:49] <robtone_> http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#auto_bcc
[13:11:03] <robtone_> you can reuse ldap with  recipient_bcc_maps = type:table
[13:11:23] <robtone_> but, with ldap, uhm, dunno how.
[13:11:25] <Edward123> oh awesome
[13:11:33] <Edward123> i think i can use this
[13:13:36] <Edward123> at the moment i'm just running a test through  my setup to see what happens if i specify 2 maildrops, one internal and one external
[13:13:50] <Edward123> and actually so far it hasn't turned into a bloodbath:  dict_ldap_lookup: Search returned badger at client dot office,madduck37@yahoo.com
[13:14:33] <Edward123> i just didn't think this would work at all
[13:15:26] <robtone_> ah, The main applications of virtual aliasing are: To redirect mail for one address to one or more addresses.
[13:15:38] <Sero> I've created a generic.db, how can I make postfix use this db?
[13:15:47] <Edward123> there's the trick
[13:17:09] <Edward123> it actually looks quite sexy... i now just have to go through the rest of my postfix config and check this isn't going to break anything else
[13:17:20] <Edward123> as i had in the back of my mind that maildrop had to only return 1 result for some reason...
[13:17:37] * robtone_ knew this from aliases
[13:18:10] <robtone_> Aliasing occurs only on local names.  Loops can  not  occur,  since  no message will be sent to any person more than once.
[13:18:31] <Edward123> hmm robtone_, you mean in reference to maildrop addrs?
[13:18:47] <robtone_> yeah, thought aliases rules would apply
[13:19:28] <Edward123> i'm not sure i follow - you mean multiple entries can be allowed because it's not a situation where loops can occur?
[13:20:13] <robtone_> I am not sure why virtual(5) does have other rules than aliases(5)
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[13:20:27] <robtone_> I just knew from aliases, that one can only list one target
[13:20:34] <Edward123> oh right
[13:20:42] <Edward123> in testing though this seems to have worked as desired
[13:20:47] <Edward123> this is for virtual_alias_maps to clarify
[13:21:14] <Edward123> which makes sense based on what you pasted from the manual and have been saying to me heh
[13:21:23] <Edward123> sorry, communcating badly today
[13:25:18] <robtone_> its rather me, aliases(5) says name: addr_1, addr_2, addr_3, . . . - so one can list more than one target also in aliases, so I don't know really why I thought that only one target is allowed and the rest should be done via bcc
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[13:33:53] <Edward123> because you are a sexy e-mail beast
[13:34:26] * vice-versa pukes
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[13:37:11] <Edward123> just as vice-versa is the sexy puker
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[13:40:57] <Edward123> come on, it's all very modern and jerry springer
[13:41:00] <Edward123> people like that sort of thing now
[13:41:10] <Edward123> but i don't like ldap right now, oh no, it's the naughtiest horse
[13:41:29] <Edward123> it won't let me ldap modify something that has two 'maildrops' if i want to get rid of one of them
[13:41:34] <Edward123> which i consider very naughty
[13:44:06] <cpm> sounds like a lack of discipline. In need of a spanking, I think.
[13:44:16] <Edward123> :(
[13:45:06] <cpm> fetch the crop, , sharpish
[13:45:31] <Edward123> dad's getting raunchy
[13:45:36] <Edward123> it's making me uncomfortable
[13:45:46] <Edward123> this is bad karma paying me back for my earlier comments
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[15:30:46] <Danskmand> Noone that can help me here with my problem ?
[15:31:01] <Dominian> what problem..
[15:31:03] <f3ew> what problem?
[15:31:05] * Dominian hasn't seen a "problem" stated
[15:31:24] <Dominian> the answer is "42"
[15:32:29] <Danskmand> Dominian: Haha :-) - The answer is not the problem (allthough it took ager to find the answer) - The problem is to find the right question ;-)
[15:32:42] <Dominian> Which will take 10million years
[15:33:24] <Danskmand> ...Exactly :-) - Poor ppl that havent seen that movie !
[15:33:33] <Danskmand> 11:47:05) Danskmand: Aloha ;-) - I have a config where I receive my emails by running a fetchmail every 5 mins. Its being forwarded to a postfix on the same machine. The mails do then run through this chain: postfix->amavisd->clamav->spamassassin->amavisd->postfix->Cyrus.
[15:33:33] <Danskmand> (11:47:05) Danskmand: This was pre-installed, so I am not totally into this config. My problem are 2 things. As I said, mails are forwarded to cyrus. But I am running a Lotus Domino server "behind" the postfix server and I want amarisd-new to forward mails to my Lotus Dominoserver after the mails have been checked through this chain. Not to forward it to cyrus.
[15:33:33] <Danskmand> (11:49:05) Danskmand: And the next poblem is that mails from fetchmail should be forwarded to my Dominoserver (receive) and mails coming FROM my Dominoserver to bwe forwarded to the relay-server of my provider....
[15:34:09] <f3ew> Danskmand so set amavisd to forward mail
[15:34:16] <Danskmand> (11:55:21) Danskmand: If you ned my postconf: http://pastebin.com/d59b7690e
[15:34:16] <Danskmand> (11:55:58) Danskmand: I am able to send mails..
[15:34:25] <Danskmand> I thought I did....
[15:34:43] <Danskmand> But I am not sure how to set it...
[15:39:46] <dft> Danskmand: what's your transport look like?
[15:40:49] <Danskmand> aktinet.de      smtp:[192.168.4.3]
[15:40:49] <Danskmand> .aktinet.de     smtp:[192.168.4.3]
[15:40:49] <Danskmand> *               smtp:smtp.strato.de
[15:42:03] <dft> in postconf you have transport_maps undefined
[15:42:22] <dft> change it to hash:/etc/postfix/transport
[15:42:38] <dft> then cd to /etc/postfix
[15:42:47] <dft> postmap hash:transport
[15:42:53] <dft> postfix reload
[15:43:07] <dft> BUT
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[15:43:29] <dft> verify you want mail for aktinet.de going to that private IP/smtp service
[15:43:47] <dft> and all everything else to strato.de
[15:53:12] <dft> Danskmand: how's it going?
[15:54:35] <Edward123> hey if you're running virtual users but delivery your mail to an MDA (cyrus in this case) rather than letting postfix handle that then virtual_mailbox stuff becomes irrelevent, right?
[15:54:36] <Danskmand> Ahaa...So its like I need to tell postfix what file to use....
[15:54:50] <Danskmand> I see...
[15:55:15] <Danskmand> I have "done it now....Now I will do some testmails....
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[16:01:44] <BertrandH> I see in mail.log : postfix/smtp[13029]: certificate verification failed for xxx.xxxxx.xxx: num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
[16:02:30] <BertrandH> but emails are delivered, certainely without SSL. How can i resolve this ?
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[16:05:46] <Danskmand> Hmmm....I am getting confused of the /var/log/mail Log....What do I have to look for ? (Mail has not arrived on the Dominoserver.... )
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[16:09:31] <Danskmand> Aaah....Now I received a NDR on GMX (response from my Testmail) - "User admin (admin at aktinet dot de) not listed in Domino Directory"
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[16:17:15] <Danskmand> So it seems the first problem seems fixed !!!
[16:18:08] <Danskmand> I have sent some testmails....They all arrived - except the one with the receipient of admin at aktinet dot de
[16:18:24] <Danskmand> dft: Still there ?
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[16:18:53] <Danskmand> Maaaann....Sometimes its really the small things that do it !
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[16:25:58] <dft> ??
[16:26:32] <dft> Danskmand, I'm still here
[16:27:37] <Danskmand> Ok :-) - Many thanks for the help on my first problem :-)
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[16:30:28] <dft> coolio, what's next
[16:30:44] <Danskmand> I am running openmailadmin too....But I dont think I need it....I have made a user "admin" with it and the address "hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de".....I think this is why postfix is changing the recipient from <hbrolarsen at aktinet dot de> to <admin at aktinet dot de>...
[16:32:12] <Danskmand> It should (now that I think of it) just leave it as it is....
[16:32:38] <Danskmand> Wasnt there an option for "dont change addresses" ?
[16:33:23] <dft> check aliases or recipient_maps
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[17:01:57] <SteveC> Why would I get an unknown recipient error when I have the recpient in the transport table?
[17:02:23] <SteveC> Does it have to be elsewhere, or does transports get updated in a different way than a simple "newalises" ?
[17:02:57] <brd> postmap
[17:04:20] <SteveC> Umm, not sure if that was an answer or not, I've got, main.cf:transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf
[17:05:11] <brd> so it should notice right away
[17:05:31] <brd> enable the query log in mysql and see if it is querying for it?
[17:05:51] <SteveC> hurm... If I've got a specific email address, it's ok to have an SMTP:mail.example.com entry right?
[17:06:13] <SteveC> Doesn't need anything else?  I've done it for domains like that fine and I've done the opposite for specific email address exceptions..
[17:07:48] <SteveC> It even seems to check with the relay server to see if the user exists, that works OK, then it fails it based on it being an unknown recipient.  Guess I shoudl double check the relay server's direct reaction.
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[17:08:57] <f3ew> SteveC, the transport table isn't checked for relay_recipients
[17:11:26] <SteveC> ahh, I think I only have relay_domains - can I just add a set of rules for relay_receipients too?
[17:13:35] <f3ew> yes
[17:18:57] <SteveC> Makes no difference..  Even when I spelled it correctly..  The actual error from the server is, "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table"
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[17:27:12] <SteveC> ahh, I think the problem is that it's in my list of domains, it then fails to find the user..  shouldn't be in domains if it's a transport..  Which provides the problem that you can't then have one user being relayed out, but you can have one exception to a domain being relayed out.
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[17:27:39] <adnc> when i get mails which are DKIM signed i see that the headers do have two dkim-filter checks. is it possible the postfix sends them twice to dkim-filter?
[17:27:44] <SteveC> (one or more of the latter)
[17:28:27] <adnc> # Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.6.0 mail.mydomain.org 9457F34BCC and # Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.6.0 mail.mydomain.org BA54A34BCA in the X-DKIM field. the same applies to DomainKeys
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[18:12:09] <Zonei> Hi. Need some help. I'm delivering email to /var/mail/domain.com/username. The setting is virtual mailbox with non-unix accounts. I'm having problem syncing with dovecot. It appears to me that dovecot must access those emails with same uid as the process that delivered them there. Is there a better solution?
[18:13:08] <jeev> how could there be a better solution
[18:13:12] <jeev> is the MTA delivers the mail
[18:13:16] <jeev> or whatever its' called into a file
[18:13:24] <jeev> dovecot should have read permissions
[18:13:34] <Dominian> are you using mysql or something for virtual domains?
[18:13:39] <Zonei> Yes, I've assigned that to newly created user "postfix_delivery", so I don't use postfix' system user.
[18:13:52] <Dominian> my /var/spool/mail/virtual directory where everything is stored is owned by my virtual user and group... not by postfix nor dovecot
[18:13:56] <Zonei> jeev: and write perms in order to remove email (pop3), no?
[18:14:14] <jeev> well
[18:14:15] <jeev> let me see
[18:14:20] <jeev> i dont use dovecot, i use courier
[18:14:29] <jeev> my /usr/local/virtual is user:group static
[18:14:53] <jeev> the permissions are ok i guess that's why
[18:14:58] <jeev> i dont know what to check right now, i can't think
[18:15:10] <jeev> are you getting an error ?
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[18:15:58] <kexman> hello
[18:16:23] <Zonei> jeev: yes, dovecot actually reads the files with UID that I set it to. Usually, it should be the UID of the user to whom /home/username/Maildir belongs, but I'm not using /home folders, I have no unix accounts for them. So Postfix and Dovecot must use same uid when deailng with those files. I guess.
[18:17:29] <kexman> im thinking about running postfix & stuff i use with it in chroot
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[18:19:12] <dft> Danskmand, how goes the battle
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[18:20:32] <jeev> well Zonei
[18:20:38] <jeev> my postfix user is static
[18:20:42] <jeev> my amavisd is vscan i think
[18:20:48] <jeev> it's a bunch, i dont think you've read the proper howto
[18:20:53] <jeev> this was an absolute bitch for me to set up in the past.
[18:21:04] <jeev> i probably read like 20 howto's before one made some sort of sense and put it all together
[18:21:05] <jeev> what OS are you running
[18:21:33] <kexman> jeev: i truely understand what you are saying :)
[18:21:43] <kexman> jeev: for this purpose i am currently started reading abook
[18:21:56] <Zonei> jeev my users are also static, that's why I'm trying to figure out how to use it proeprly. I guess a dedicated user for both processes (postfix delivery and dovecot's pop3 read/write) is in order.
[18:22:00] <kexman> the book of postfix ... managed to get until the cover :) hehe :)
[18:23:40] <jeev> haha
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[18:38:11] <TDT> Hey all. I may be running into someting kinda odd that I'm curious about - I'm working with the Precedence: bulk option, right now for headers...inside a PHP script, I set the value - but it doesn't seem to get applied to outgoing emails.  Could postfix rewrite headers to prevent something like this?
[18:39:15] <Danskmand> gft: Will you be here tomorrow too ? - I am afraid I got a meeting in a short time....I found out that theres something called "local_recipient_maps" and so....I need a little time to find out what to use....But thanks for your help so far 8-)
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[18:58:59] <TDT> nm, thunderbird was being pretty dumb.
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[19:38:30] <Zonei> I'm having problems finding sqlite support for postfix. What is it exactly and where can I find it?
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[19:41:16] <sysmonk> hm
[19:41:21] <sysmonk> postfix has sqlite support?
[19:42:14] <Dominian> yep
[19:42:17] <Dominian> not that I would use it
[19:42:24] <sysmonk> Dominian: i mean, really, does it?
[19:42:28] <sysmonk> i didn't see it available anywhere
[19:42:44] <sysmonk> google doesn't return anything for site:postfix.org sqlite
[19:42:51] <Dominian> ah
[19:42:52] <Dominian> dunno
[19:43:01] <Zonei> Well, i am reluctant to install entire rdbms for a handful of email addresses on a dedicated server, where I need each byte of ram for more useful things. :)
[19:43:14] <sysmonk> sources don't anything with sqlite inside
[19:43:15] <Dominian> http://www.treibsand.com/postfix-sqlite/
[19:43:34] <Dominian> looks like you have to patch the source though
[19:43:40] <Dominian> and it doesn't appear to be an official patch
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[19:44:22] <Dominian> argh I so hate this chair I have at work.. its comfortable.. but its made of foam.. so if you fart.. you smell it for hours lol
[19:44:45] <sysmonk> solution: don't fart
[19:44:46] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:44:50] <Dominian> heh
[19:44:52] <Dominian> hard to do sometimes
[19:45:02] <Dominian> and mine will peel paint
[19:45:06] <sysmonk> farting at work isn't... good :)
[19:45:17] <sysmonk> especially if you're not the only one in the office :)
[19:45:24] <sysmonk> there are 5 of us in my room
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[19:49:37] <Dominian> heh
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[19:53:27] <kexman> hey guys how you doing ?
[19:54:00] <kexman> i have a mail in /var/spool/postfix/defer
[19:54:06] <kexman> what will happen to that mail ?
[19:54:40] <dft> Dominian: remind not to work close quarters with you any day soon
[19:54:58] <dft> unless of course I had some Indian/curry buffet for lunch:)
[19:57:03] <Dominian> hehe
[20:02:04] <kexman> so none know what happens to mail that is in there and its deferred ?
[20:02:56] <cpm> lemon curry?
[20:03:03] <Mazon> it is ... deferred  - ie handled later
[20:03:24] <Mazon> later being... not now
[20:03:27] <kexman> Mazon: what happens to it when it cant be handled for several hours/days ?
[20:03:53] <Mazon> not sure, eventually I guess the queue manager will drop it somewhere
[20:04:00] <kexman> Mazon: i sent it to domain that has no MX set and the ip that the domain points to has no mailserver. its my domain :) just testing !
[20:04:29] <kexman> Mazon: but will the user get any reply ?
[20:04:37] <kexman> that the mail couldnt be sent ?
[20:04:48] <Mazon> eventually the MTA should notify the sending user that it gave up
[20:05:05] <kexman> aha
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[20:07:04] <kexman> Mazon: where can i read up on this ? how much time is used etcetcetc ... what about speeding up this process ? :) is there any command that tells the que to be processed ?
[20:11:55] <Mazon> man postfix ? ;)
[20:12:16] <Mazon> flush  Force  delivery:  attempt  to  deliver  every message in the deferred mail queue. Normally, attempts to
[20:12:16] <Mazon>               deliver delayed mail happen at regular intervals, the interval doubling after each failed attempt.
[20:13:33] <Mazon> http://www.postfix.org/defer.8.html
[20:20:39] <kexman> reading :)
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[20:24:24] <kexman> Mazon: i did postfix flush but i didnt get no error back or any info nor did my mail getr back to its sender:)
[20:24:59] <kexman> isnt that how i should use it ? :)
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[20:25:34] <kexman> Mazon: it keeps trying to send the mail
[20:25:37] <kexman> i see it in the logs
[20:26:58] <kexman> relay=none, delay=2818, delays=2818/0.03/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred
[20:27:04] <kexman> is this how it should be looking like ?
[20:32:19] <Mazon> yes
[20:32:27] <Mazon> delay increases exponentially
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[20:39:57] <kexman> Mazon: well i run postfix flush about 100x now :)
[20:40:00] <kexman> and still its there :))
[20:40:54] <kexman> other then spamming my /var/log/messages nothing happens :))
[20:41:38] <kexman> relay=none, delay=1954, delays=1954/0/0/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred
[20:41:43] <kexman> this is another mail
[20:41:59] <kexman> the other with the 2818 delay now has a delay of 3659
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[20:47:48] <kexman> problem is that delay isnt doubling
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[21:40:59] <normal1> would there be a legitimate reason as to why postfix is sending e-mail utilizing the information from the FROM field?
[21:41:05] <normal1> meaning, the FROM and TO are the same.
[21:41:18] <normal1> I checked the aliases and they are all correct
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[21:51:37] <normal1> clues?
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[22:00:56] <ExElNeT> i ve added my email to the aliases db for root... so im getting all email errors.. is it possible turn off this feature? im getting thousands of mails...
[22:01:50] <Dominian> Instead of turning it off.. fix the errors
[22:03:34] <normal1> wow this is real annoying
[22:04:02] <ExElNeT> Dominian: has been blocked by spamlist... i get this message 1000 times a day... there is nothing to fix that...
[22:04:14] <normal1> C09E397A0: from=<root at domain dot org> 09E397A0: to=<root at domain dot org>
[22:05:38] <Dominian> Blocked by spam list?
[22:05:45] <Dominian> why is it going back to YOU and not to the sender?
[22:06:20] <Dominian> although that makes sense
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[22:06:26] <Dominian> are these connections from your mail server going out?
[22:07:10] <ExElNeT> nope incoming, and im receiving a notification that an incoming mail has been blocked
[22:07:41] <Dominian> uhh
[22:07:44] <Dominian> ok
[22:07:50] <Dominian> are you using amavisd or something?
[22:07:59] <ExElNeT> no
[22:08:10] <ExElNeT> this server is just relaying mail
[22:08:12] <Dominian> So you have SA tied directly into postfix ?
[22:08:16] <Dominian> eh
[22:08:18] <ExElNeT> but still...
[22:10:22] <ExElNeT> there is about 1 connection per second from some random ip adress... and im receiving for each one a notify...
[22:10:36] <Dominian> ouch
[22:10:40] <Dominian> not sure where that is in the config
[22:10:49] <Dominian> have to see what your main.cf looks like..
[22:10:55] <Dominian> are you doing RBL checks in postfix?
[22:11:03] <ExElNeT> yeah
[22:15:12] <ExElNeT> so im looking for an option to reduce the loglevel...
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[22:16:22] * Dominian nods
[22:16:25] <Dominian> not sure what to tell you man.
[22:18:39] <ExElNeT> i think i ll just remove myself from the aliases table... the logs are enough...
[22:20:05] <normal1> does anyone have any ideas as for why postix would be sending mail to an address not designated in the aliases file?
[22:21:35] <normal1> guess not
[22:32:16] <kexman> could anyone tell me when to use postfix flush ?
[22:32:31] <kexman> i have a mail that will never reach its destination since there is no smtp on the other side
[22:32:46] <kexman> so i tought id speed things up with "postfix flush" command :)
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[22:33:00] <kexman> but that doesnt "pups" up the delay
[22:33:09] <kexman> can i somehow manage the delay="" number of a message "
[22:33:11] <kexman> ?
[22:33:22] <Dominian> no
[22:33:33] <Dominian> If it won't go anywhere.. and you want to delete it...
[22:33:38] <Dominian> postqueue -p and get the queue ID
[22:33:44] <Dominian> then: postsuper -d <queue id>
[22:35:09] <kexman> Dominian: well i want to see what the user gets back if the message fails to be delivered
[22:35:28] <kexman> someone said that postfix sends a message back to the user after 4 hours that it couldnt send the mail
[22:35:35] <kexman> and that it will try sending it for 5 days
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[22:35:43] <kexman> Dominian: is that correct ?
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[22:38:15] <kexman> Dominian: still here ?
[22:38:24] <vice-versa> kexman: only if a DSN delay status request was sent from the client, as for 5 days, depends on the value of maximal_queue_lifetime, but 5d is the default
[22:38:39] <normal1> why would the aliases file not be read?
[22:39:21] <kexman> vice-versa: aaa DSN delay status ? uff i dont know if my client sends that ... but cant i make postfix send this "information" mail regarding is the client requested DSN delay status or not ?
[22:39:49] <kexman> vice-versa: this is what i see in my logs : relay=none, delay=10085, delays=10084/0.03/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred
[22:39:58] <Dominian> kexman: that is correct
[22:40:03] <Dominian> You have to give it time to go through the process...
[22:40:23] <kexman> can i somehow find out if the client requested this DSN delay status ?
[22:40:37] <Dominian> ask them if they got a message back about "4 hours in the queue or delay" or what not
[22:40:57] <kexman> Dominian: im just testing the mail server :)
[22:41:00] <kexman> its me the only user
[22:41:04] <kexman> and im still waiting :)
[22:41:05] <Dominian> ah
[22:41:12] <kexman> can i set the 4hours to less somehow ?
[22:41:19] <kexman> at this testing phase ?
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[22:43:03] * Dominian shrugs
[22:43:10] <Dominian> maximal_queue_lifetime,
[22:43:15] <Dominian> as vice-versa suggested
[22:43:20] <normal1> Looks like postfix can't use aliases when myorigin is defined
[22:43:22] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html
[22:44:03] <normal1> because if the to doesn't specify a domain it appends the domain in myorigin
[22:44:12] <normal1> lame
[22:45:02] <kexman> Dominian: that is 5 days old
[22:45:17] <kexman> Dominian: but about that first 4hours reply
[22:45:21] <Dominian> no idea
[22:45:25] <Dominian> 16:43 < vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/DSN_README.html
[22:45:27] <kexman> or the DSN delay status FORCED :)
[22:45:37] <kexman> sorry i missed that
[22:45:38] <kexman> sorry
[22:46:46] <Dominian> no worries
[22:46:47] <Dominian> ithappens.
[22:46:53] <Dominian> and vice-versa is a prick anyway
[22:46:54] <Dominian> hehehe
[22:46:56] <kexman> i am using thunderbird client with imap support . did i needed to set up anything  for a DSN delay status request ?
[22:47:00] <kexman> hehe :)
[22:47:08] <kexman> i dont say that :) since he helps me :)
[22:47:10] <Dominian> not that I know of..
[22:47:15] <Dominian> I use thunderbird for imap as well
[22:47:23] <Dominian> and imap does nothing more than tie the client to the mailbox.. not the queue
[22:47:27] <kexman> and you get back DSN delay status ? :)
[22:47:33] <Dominian> no
[22:47:42] <Dominian> Regular mail accounts have no access to the queue
[22:47:43] <kexman> but i mean when mail couldnt be sent
[22:47:53] <Dominian> that.. I dunno
[22:47:55] <kexman> uff so how will the user know if it was sent or not ?
[22:47:56] <kexman> uff
[22:47:57] <Dominian> I never have issues sending mail
[22:47:59] <kexman> i need more reading :)
[22:48:08] <kexman> yeah but i was thinking about special setups :)
[22:48:08] <Dominian> I usually wait for somethng to break...
[22:48:14] <kexman> when mail couldnt be sent for some reason
[22:48:15] <kexman> :)
[22:48:16] <Dominian> and when it breaks.. THEN I fix it.. but nothing has broken yet hehe
[22:48:17] <kexman> hehe
[22:48:18] <kexman> okay
[22:48:25] <kexman> i wanted to minimize problems
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[22:57:32] <Kirill> I've set up postfix as a mail relay server (so runs on localhost, but sends mail using an external smtp server). When I try to send mail, I get the following from the external server: 53 Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts. Any ideas?
[22:58:17] <jeev> isn't that a qmail issue
[22:58:26] <jeev> does qmail have the account in rcpthosts
[22:58:38] <Kirill> jeev: I'm not running the actual server that sends the mail
[22:58:49] <Kirill> jeev: I'm just running postfix on my machine, and postfix uses my ISP to send mail
[22:58:58] <Kirill> jeev: so that reply is from my ISP's mail server.
[22:59:08] <jeev> and you're authenticating?
[22:59:20] <dft> Kirill: do you have proper DNS records for your personal smtp service?
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[23:00:01] <dft> chances are you're being seen as some dnydns host which most smtp admins will block
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[23:00:29] <Kirill> dft: well, if I send mail directly using my ISP from my machine (that is, I telent into the ISP's smtp server from my machine), everything works just fine.
[23:00:39] <Kirill> dft: when I try to relay it from postfix, the ISP's server spits this error
[23:00:59] <Kirill> jeev: this was my next question; I've put my username and password in the file saslpass; is there anything else to do?
[23:01:00] <kexman> Dominian: #
[23:01:01] <kexman> What notifications are sent: success, failure, delay, or none. Normally, Postfix informs the sender only when mail delivery is delayed or when delivery fails.
[23:01:09] <kexman> i suppose i need not worry about anything
[23:01:14] <kexman> just wait for that mail :)
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[23:04:21] <Kirill> jeev: okay, so using sasl. but now it says "SASL authentication failed"
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[23:06:18] <vice-versa> kexman: you should try to minimize as much undeliverable mail as possible from your users by not queuing obvious undeliverable mail in the first place
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[23:12:10] <Kirill> how does postfix behave if the smtp mailhub it uses times out? will it just dump the message on the queue and retry later?
[23:13:22] <Kirill> anyone?
[23:13:57] <Dominian> if the smtp server its sending to is unavailable.. it usually issues a temp fail and holds on to the message for later delivery attempts
[23:14:15] <Kirill> when are the delivery attempts made?
[23:14:21] <Kirill> i.e. what's the retry interval? 5 minutes later? 5 months?
[23:14:31] <Dominian> I have no idea
[23:14:37] <Kirill> but it's configurable?
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[23:14:44] <Fenix|work> Greetings
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[23:14:48] <Dominian> no idea
[23:14:56] <Fenix|work> Quick question.  How can I change the name a message is sent from.
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[23:15:21] <Fenix|work> ... when the system sends mail it comes from root, I want it to reflect my structure and have it come from itsupport instead
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[23:18:59] <sahil> Fenix|work: this is not a postfix issue.
[23:19:15] <Fenix|work> sahil, actually, yes it is... it's configurable through generic
[23:19:20] <sahil> you need to fix whatever it is that's sending the mail.  or give more information.
[23:19:23] <Fenix|work> which I just discovered.
[23:19:28] <sahil> that's the wrong way (tm).
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[23:19:47] <sahil> why not just set the from properly in whatever it is that's relaying through postfix?
[23:20:00] <sahil> do you want all mail from root, always, to appear to come from itsupport?
[23:20:24] <sahil> kreg_: yes, it's configurable.
[23:20:29] <sahil> err, kirill.
[23:21:06] <Fenix|work> sahil, yes
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[23:27:48] <sahil> *yawn*
[23:27:49] <sahil> lame-o.
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[23:29:25] <kexman> vice-versa: huhh what do you mean by that ?
[23:30:32] <kexman> vice-versa: i cant know if a domain has no smtp :) right ?
[23:30:49] <kexman> i should only send mail to domains that have a valid MX record ?
[23:32:02] <vice-versa> like non fqdn recipient addresses and unknown domains
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[23:33:13] <vice-versa> I typically use something like the following, smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, permit_mynetworks, ....
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[23:35:22] <kexman> what does reject_unknown_sender_domain and the reject_unknown_recipient_domain do ?
[23:35:53] <vice-versa> well if the boss sends a really, really important email to someone at example dot com, but types someone at xeample dot com you'll still have a job five days later
[23:35:55] <kexman> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated,  permit_mynetworks,  reject_unauth_destination
[23:35:58] <kexman> this is what i have now
[23:36:14] <kexman> vice-versa: hehehehe :))
[23:36:21] <kexman> vice-versa: that was a good one :)
[23:36:24] <kexman> okay
[23:37:23] * kexman goes for postfix reject_unknown_sender lookup
[23:37:40] <kexman> vice-versa: in your scenario xeample.com is an existing domain with an existing MX ?
[23:37:47] <kexman> and a running smtpd ?
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[23:42:49] <kexman> vice-versa: reject_unknown_sender_domain isnt for smtpd_sender_restrictions ?
[23:43:03] <vice-versa> kexman: a domain is not required to have a mx record to have mail delivered
[23:43:16] <kexman> vice-versa: i know that
[23:43:45] <kexman> but i was just asking in the situation you have described what is the xeample.com ?
[23:43:55] <vice-versa> I put almost all my restrictions in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
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[23:44:46] <kexman> well relay=none, delay=14674, delays=14674/0.04/0.01/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred
[23:45:08] <vice-versa> xeample.com would be a non-existing domain
[23:45:09] <kexman> i got delay=14674 which is past the 4 hours and user didnt recieved no email about the DSN status :((
[23:45:36] <kexman> vice-versa: well i get back an error report immediatly with a non existent domain.
[23:45:43] <kexman> and i use that what i wrote above
[23:45:45] <vice-versa> yes
[23:46:01] <kexman> <nomaillikethis at nonexistentdomain dot com>: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=nonexistentdomain.com type=MX: Host not found, try again
[23:46:28] <vice-versa> if you use reject_unknown_sender_domain before permit_mynetworks and permit_sasl_authenticated
[23:46:51] <vice-versa> err, reject_unknown_recipient_domain
[23:47:01] <kexman> what happens then ?
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[23:48:41] <vice-versa> the sending client will receive an immediate failure notification
[23:49:08] <kexman> vice-versa:  i dont have that but i still recive that immediate failure notification
[23:49:39] <kexman> my problem isnt this. i dont have no problem with this. i have problems when boss sends mail to other boss but other boss has smtpd server offline for some reason.
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[23:50:01] <kexman> and this boss doesnt gets back no mail notification , not even after 4 hours that its mail didnt reached destination yet :)
[23:50:07] <kexman> and it will keep on trying
[23:50:30] <kexman> i need that notification after 4 hours ... or as soon as possible
[23:50:59] <kexman> vice-versa: do you understand ?
[23:52:02] <vice-versa> kexman: that's beyond your control, the mua is responsible for requesting DSN notifications, see RFC3464
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[23:55:37] <kexman> vice-versa: cant i set it to request DSN notifications ?
[23:55:56] <kexman> i mean cant i set postfix to automagically set something that send DSN notifications ? :)
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[23:59:33] <vice-versa> kexman: not to my knowledge, you can only control what if any DSNs postfix honours, and that's somewhat convoluted too iirc





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