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[00:17:41] <ThersiT> I keep reading in the postfix docs that some parameters are set one way by "default"
[00:18:04] <ThersiT> where are these "defaults" set?
[00:18:45] <ThersiT> is it the /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.dist file??
[00:22:13] <Zonei> Hi. I've set up virtual domains and mailboxes as mentioned in the VIRTUAL_README, but my server still responds with Relay access denied to incoming mail. What setting is responsible for that
[00:22:14] <Zonei> ?
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[00:35:11] <lunaphyte> ThersiT: defaults aren't set.  they just "exist".
[00:35:30] <lunaphyte> if they were set, then they wouldn't really be defaults.
[00:36:04] <lunaphyte> they're hard-coded in postfix.  read the man page for postconf for info on determining default values.
[00:36:08] <Zonei> Here's the pastebin of postconf -n
[00:36:16] <Zonei> oops here: http://pastebin.com/d6377ac1c
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[00:38:07] <ThersiT> lunaphyte: thanks, I'm just tring to get a handle on what's going on so I know what to change.
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[00:48:34] <Surye> What would cause emails to just sit in incoming, and only send out when postfix is restarted
[00:49:28] <lunaphyte> !tell Zonei logs
[00:49:28] <knoba> Zonei: -> "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[00:49:47] <Zonei> ?
[00:50:00] <lunaphyte> Surye: show logs
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[00:51:04] <Zonei> lunaphyte I know where the logs are, I just don't know why it still rejects incoming with relay access denied, even though i've setup virtual mailboxes
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[01:02:49] <lunaphyte> Zonei: show us some.
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[01:05:28] <Zonei> lunaphyte some what? it says Recipient address rejected: Relay access denied
[01:05:57] <lunaphyte> Zonei: pastebin a log snippit that demonstrates what you're describing.
[01:06:37] <Zonei> it's one line, can I paste here?
[01:07:31] <lunaphyte> grab the few preceding/following lines and pastebin it.  it will probably shed some light on the context.
[01:07:56] <Zonei> the line before is daemon started, and the line after is disconnect
[01:08:19] <Zonei> but if you insist... sec
[01:10:56] <Surye> If qmgr is set to 300 sec wakeup in the master.cf, does that mean mail will only get delivered once every 5 minutes?
[01:12:08] <Zonei> lunaphyte: http://pastebin.com/d46a6ac14  I tested it by telnetting to the server.
[01:12:10] <lunaphyte> Surye: no
[01:12:31] <Surye> Hmm, killing qmgr causes it to flush incoming
[01:12:47] <Surye> logs show nothing while it's waiting, just the recieve
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[01:18:05] <lunaphyte> Zonei: where is valid-domain.com?
[01:18:26] <lunaphyte> btw - those log messages are incomplete.  where's the connect?
[01:18:33] <lunaphyte> !obfuscate
[01:18:34] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "obfuscate" is not a valid command.
[01:18:37] <lunaphyte> hmm.
[01:19:04] <Zonei> lunaphyte listed in virtualmailbox file
[01:20:15] <lunaphyte> i don't see a parameter using that file in your pastebin.
[01:21:10] <Zonei> lunaphyte lines 65 and 66
[01:21:49] <lunaphyte> /etc/postfix/vmailbox ?  then what is virtualmailbox?
[01:22:31] <Zonei> lunaphyte that's the file the virtual email address is listed in, with appropriate directory in /var/spool/mail/
[01:23:30] <lunaphyte> grrr.
[01:24:30] <lunaphyte> supporting obfuscated log entries sucks.
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[01:25:00] <Surye> But IP addresses are super secret.
[01:25:22] <lunaphyte> Zonei: have you postmapped /etc/postfix/vmailbox?
[01:25:28] <Zonei> yes
[01:28:18] <lunaphyte> what does postmap -q valid-domain.com /etc/postfix/vmailbox say?
[01:29:46] <Zonei> nothing
[01:29:59] <lunaphyte> pastebin the contents of that file.
[01:30:27] <lunaphyte> we really prefer it here if you don't munge stuff, btw.
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[01:30:56] <Zonei> lunaphyte its one line:   valid_account at valid-domain dot com<tab>valid-domain.com/valid_account
[01:31:02] <Zonei> I know, but I have to. :/
[01:31:06] <lunaphyte> why?
[01:31:26] <lunaphyte> !tell Zonei virtual
[01:31:27] <knoba> Zonei: -> "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[01:32:06] <lunaphyte> that map isn't meant to contain lhs data.
[01:32:16] <Zonei> lhs?
[01:32:33] <lunaphyte> left hand side - eg. usernames - anything to the left of '@'.
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[01:33:03] <lunaphyte> that's why it's named *domains*, not addresses, or users, etc.
[01:33:13] <Zonei> Postfix virtual MAILBOX example: separate domains, non-UNIX accounts, I followd that, and its vmailbox example has the lhs
[01:33:56] <Zonei> do I need separate file with domains only for virtual_mailbox_domains?
[01:35:12] <Zonei> besides, this used to work few months ago when I first touched Postfix, but for the life of me, I forgot what I did, and unfortunately did not keep the config file....
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[01:42:53] <Zonei> what do I need in mynetworks and mynetwork_style to allow anyone to send to recipients in virtual mailbox?
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[01:52:39] <googlah> doesn't mynetworks only specify which networks should be able to relay via smtp?
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[01:53:07] <googlah> e.g outgoing.
[01:54:22] <lunaphyte> Zonei: it's better to separate those files.
[01:55:17] <Zonei> ok, i'll try with that, i'll switch to db anyhow, once i get this going.
[01:55:37] <Zonei> thanks for all your assistance, i must go now, but i'll come back harrass you guys some more if i need help. ;)
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[02:22:09] <ThersiT> if i'm running postfix on a cable modem (with a dynamic IP) from behind a little linksys router, do I need to set "proxy_interfaces" in my main.cf?
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[02:29:26] <lunaphyte> yes
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[02:30:33] <luke-jr> How can I require all relayed emails to be approved individually?
[02:31:00] <lunaphyte> oh no, not you again.
[02:31:02] <lunaphyte> ;)
[02:31:11] <lunaphyte> approved by who?
[02:31:54] <luke-jr> by the postmaster, me
[02:33:32] <lunaphyte> describe how you envision you approving messages.
[02:33:53] <lunaphyte> (the short answer here is no, but i'm curious what you're thinking)
[02:34:13] <ThersiT> can proxy_interfaces be a hostname or does it have to be an IP?
[02:35:04] <luke-jr> lunaphyte: I don't care about that detail, but getting an IM I can reply to with 'send' or 'discard' would be nice
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[02:40:53] <lunaphyte> ThersiT: either is fine.
[02:41:45] <lunaphyte> luke-jr: postfix itself doesn't employ a mechanism for doing that, but it's modular enough that something like that could probably be constructed.
[02:42:24] <luke-jr> lunaphyte: so how do I get outbound emails automatically "no flush" until my script tells it OK
[02:42:26] <luke-jr> ?
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[02:44:41] <lunaphyte> off of the top of my head, i think i'd start by looking at delivery transports and defer_transports
[02:45:02] <luke-jr> sounds complex ?
[02:45:05] <luke-jr> oh well, bbiab
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[03:01:44] <lunaphyte> well, you generally get what you put in.
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[05:58:41] <[shg]> when performing make install interactively, at the end during the make I get postfix: warning: valid_hostname: numeric hostname:
[05:59:01] <[shg]> postfix: fatal: unable to use my own hostname
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[07:03:07] <__machine> anyone an SPF DMIM, Sender ID, etc guru? i've been reading all the specs and info i can find and am still a little unsure...
[07:04:17] <__machine> what i think we want/need to do is setup SPF/DKIM/SenderID and optionally join SenderScoreCertified, then send emails with bounce at ourdomain dot com as the Return-Path on behalf of our clients with their email address in From and Reply-To
[07:13:29] <jeev> i use amavisd-new to do my dkim and stuff
[07:13:36] <jeev> i dunno what DMIM is
[07:15:18] <__machine> DKIM (DMIM is a typo) :)
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[07:18:38] <jeev> spf is dns stuff
[07:18:44] <jeev> dkim is dns + additional software
[07:18:47] <jeev> i use amavisd-new
[07:18:49] <jeev> i havn't looked into send id
[07:18:50] <jeev> sender id
[07:19:46] <jeev> postfix/smtp[68078]: E362B4FC88C: to=<sa-test at sendmail dot net>, relay=smtp.sendmail.net[209.246.26.21]:25, delay=4.6, delays=0/0.01/0.78/3.8, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host smtp.sendmail.net[209.246.26.21] said: 451 4.7.0 resolver returned TRY_AGAIN (in reply to end of DATA command))
[07:19:48] <jeev> what could that be??
[07:22:02] <jeev> is it cause tls cert failed
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[07:23:46] <SaetheR> hello
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[07:28:15] <SaetheR> this might be simple, but this web server I'm working on keeps trying to locally deliver mail sent to one of the domains it hosts, instead of where the mx record points
[07:28:47] <SaetheR> and the server's hostname isn't the same as the domain the mail is supposed to go to
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[07:32:00] <SaetheR> not a talkative bunch?
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[07:40:21] <__machine> is it invalid to specify a Return-Path when sending a mail? do i need to leave this blank and allow my smtp host or intermediate hops to add this header?
[07:41:05] <jeev> i dont know, my headers when i email myself show a return path.. so thunderbird does it itself i guess
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[08:08:30] <siebo> I'm working to set up alias addresses that forward to remote hosts, so far I've created virtual_alias_domains and settings in my main.cf, run postmap /etc/postfix/virtual, and restarted postfix...
[08:09:18] <siebo> but, when I try to send the message I get an error in my postfix log about:
[08:09:18] <siebo> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table;
[08:09:25] <siebo> and the message is never delivered.
[08:13:28] <siebo> any suggestions about how to diagnose this?
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[08:36:19] <coil>  couriertcpd: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
[08:40:03] <siebo> I think I found what was wrong, I had the wrong param name in my main.cf
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[09:15:34] <__machine> if the Sender header is present, does it appear in email clients (e.g. as "from" address)?
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[09:46:13] <f3ew> __machine only in Outlook, AFAIK
[09:47:39] <__machine> when i send email via python/postfix and manually specify a Return-Path header, it is ignored by postfix which continues to use the From address even when other headers like Sender are present
[09:48:12] <__machine> how can i change the Return-Path header when sending through python? or if that's impossible, change it in postfix
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[10:16:09] <loompek> umm
[10:16:42] <loompek> just a quick question.. in what table could i reqrte senders domain.. from @internal.lan to @mydomain.com
[10:18:15] <loompek> canonical?
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[10:20:05] * Fallenou content ^_^
[10:25:42] <f3ew> loompek yes
[10:26:13] <f3ew> __machine, the Return Path header is added by the remote delivery agent, from the envelope sender
[10:34:29] <__machine> there must be a way to set it... as it is used by many mailing lists etc to automatically remove bounces etc
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[10:34:45] <loompek> f3ew should i add @internal.lan @mydomain.com and then run postmap
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[10:35:25] <Zonei> Being new to MTAs, I'm trying to understand the process. After Postfix delivers the incoming email into /var/spool/mail/..., what service do I need to allow individual users to login with POP3 and fetch email _from there_? It seems to me dovecot and courier are taking only from Maildir in /home/username, or am I wrong?
[10:40:01] <f3ew> loompek yes
[10:40:17] <loompek> tanks
[10:40:19] <loompek> thanks
[10:40:20] <f3ew> Zonei, dovecot can be configured for either
[10:40:24] <f3ew> #dovecot
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[10:41:01] <Zonei> f3ew: I'll check it in depth, thanks.
[10:41:34] <Hyperi> uhm
[10:41:37] <Hyperi> Dovecot = <3
[10:41:49] <Hyperi> It's really easy to configure and has lots of automated options.
[10:42:09] <Hyperi> Courier is when you want to spend several sleepless nights to understand it and actually get to work :)
[10:42:15] <Hyperi> Good enough comparison ? :)
[10:42:44] <Hyperi> (And specially courier isn't fully potential for small/medium systems, it was ment to be used on huge corporate sized systems :)
[10:43:03] <Hyperi> Unless you like to hurt yourself and install it for personal usage only ^^
[10:44:15] <Zonei> Hyperi: heh, thanks for the review. ;)
[10:46:50] * f3ew likes Courier
[10:46:53] <f3ew> It's easy
[10:58:54] <Zonei> Speaking of which, any real threats if I don't run postfix chrooted?
[10:59:49] <sysmonk> if there will be some kind of vulnerability your setup might be affected more than the one which is chrooted
[11:04:41] <Zonei> i see, yah.
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[11:12:45] <coil>  couriertcpd: couriertls: connect: error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number
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[11:53:52] <seekwill> amavis/sa/dspam/clamav/zimbra IS SO FREAKING SLOOOOOOOOW
[11:53:57] <seekwill> RAWR
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[11:54:05] <sysmonk> hah
[11:54:08] <sysmonk> sa+dspam  ?
[11:56:17] <robtone_> hihi, www.cisco.com
[11:56:30] <f3ew> yes
[11:56:31] <robtone_> why s///g is a bad idea.
[11:56:34] <f3ew> We know :P
[11:56:36] <f3ew> %s!
[11:57:02] <sysmonk> heh, woot happened with cisco?
[11:57:27] <f3ew> %s/t//
[11:57:37] <f3ew> See #cisco or #nanog
[11:58:17] <robtone_> priceless.
[11:58:21] <sysmonk> heh, yeah i can see the ype= already
[11:59:14] * robtone_ thinks, that this is the best advertisement ever.
[11:59:24] <robtone_> and less is more validates.
[12:00:16] <lennard> I don't quite get it though
[12:00:31] <lennard> it makes it awfully hard to actually find information on their products :P
[12:01:05] <shasta> informaion on heir producs, you mean?
[12:01:13] <sysmonk> ;)))
[12:01:16] <lennard> yes, yes I do, sorry :P
[12:01:35] <lennard> also, joining #cisco doesn' clarify at all :P
[12:01:35] <sysmonk> shasa: good one! :)
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[12:02:31] <loompek> f3ew that doesn't work... i've added the line "-o sender_canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical_internet" to my master.cf and then added a line " at internal dot lan @external.com" to /etc/postfix/sender_canonical_internet and ran postmap.. but as it seems, the sender is still @internal.lan
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[12:20:20] <loompek> ... any ideas?
[12:30:59] <sysmonk> bu i don' ge i, why cisco didn ye fix he problem?
[12:34:09] <shasta> maybe hey don' know abou i
[12:34:45] <sysmonk> shasa: maybe bu i hink ha somebody from #cisco migh have already informed hem
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[12:36:37] <shasta> maybe he leer '' was removed from enire sysem, like userlis - hey don' know abou i and didn' figure ou o ry ssh webmaser at websie dot hos
[12:37:05] <robtone_> maybe they have no version control system
[12:38:25] <robtone_> no, some t's still work :) http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/products_security_advisories_listing.html
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[12:39:14] <blizzkid> I'm running Etch with postfix and mailman with virtual domains, but when I send a mail to a list, I get a "user unknown", so I guess I refer to /var/lib/mailman/aliases and /var/lib/mailman/virtual-mailman in the wrong place in /etc/mailman/main.cf. Where should these be in Etch?
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[12:50:40] <change_> hi all
[12:50:58] <joobie> guys.. postconf -m is not showing mysql.. any idea how i can get it in there?
[12:51:11] <change_> how do one configure postfix to forward a specific email address's mail to another email adress?
[12:51:56] <loompek> anyone of you guys uses canonical?
[12:52:03] <loompek> and transport afterwards
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[13:12:41] <loompek> ...
[13:12:43] <loompek> gues noone :(
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[13:25:39] <change_> heh
[13:26:44] <xpoint> it could be that who use it is not here :)
[13:27:28] <loompek> i'd just need to debug somehow.. why doesn't sender_canonical_map with transport doesn't work
[13:27:36] <change_> i added an email alias in webmin on postfix but i get a error in my maillog saying that the recepient adress was rejected and is greylisted for 5min?
[13:28:04] <change_> or am i doing mail forwarding wrong?
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[13:28:33] <loompek> that prolly means that greylisting is on the recipient's side
[13:30:17] <change_> can i ask a stupid one...wot is greylising?
[13:31:20] <loompek> google greylisting
[13:31:53] <loompek> that means that recipient's mta returns a 450... and tells the sender's mta to try sending the mail after a few minutes...
[13:31:58] <loompek> 5 minutes usually
[13:32:06] <loompek> this helps keep spam away
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[13:36:38] <sunta> hello
[13:37:28] <sunta> is it possible to use 2content_filter? I use spamassassin as content_filter but want to use amavis as 2nd content_filter
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[13:44:02] <sysmonk> o_O
[13:44:15] <sysmonk> sunta: you do know that amavis uses spamassassin?
[13:44:50] <sunta> it can.
[13:46:20] <sunta> I had that before. but I want the $SCORE in the subject. that didnt work when calling spamassassin by amavis if I remeber right
[13:48:05] <sysmonk> dunno, never abused it that way :)
[13:48:32] <sysmonk> anyway, you can't have more than one content filter, but you CAN have a chain of them
[13:48:49] <sysmonk> i.e. you send the mail to sa, then sa sends to amavisd (if sa can work that way)
[13:49:05] <sunta> ok, thats a good hint man
[13:49:12] <sysmonk> or the other way around - mail is sent to amavisd, and amavisd sends it to sa or send it to postfix instance which sends it to sa
[13:49:29] <sunta> have any resource I could read?
[13:49:48] <sysmonk> er, not really
[13:49:57] <sysmonk> maybe somewhere in www.postfix.org/docs.html
[13:50:37] <sunta> i suspected u say that hehe
[13:52:17] <sunta> currently I have content_filter=spamassassin in my master.cf. can I use another content_filter for service-spamassassin within master.cf?
[13:52:46] <sysmonk> no
[13:53:02] <sysmonk> oh i know, look at amavisd documentation
[13:53:11] <sysmonk> it has example how to reinject the mail after the scaning
[13:53:23] <sysmonk> you can then use the spamassassin content_filter for the reinjected smtp instance
[13:53:27] <sysmonk> smtpd*
[13:55:32] <sunta> good hint
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[14:13:13] <blizzkid> anyone could help me getting postfix/mailman combo working? It keeps throwing "unknown user" at me
[14:13:53] <sunta> which user is unknown blizzkid
[14:14:35] <blizzkid> sunta: I created a newlist test66
[14:15:07] <blizzkid> when I send mail to test66 at domain dot com, I get "unknown user test66 at host dot domain.com"
[14:15:16] <shasta> blizzkid, ever tried reading documentation?
[14:15:26] <shasta> like, for instance, http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node13.html
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[14:15:37] <shasta> which is suprisingly the first google hit for "postfix mailman"
[14:16:11] <HSorgYves> morning; what is the best way to rewrite user at pt dot lu to user%pt.lu at domain dot com using adress rewriting?
[14:16:51] <blizzkid> shasta: I've read like 20 howto's, but none of them did the trick
[14:16:54] <xpoint> man header_access
[14:17:00] <sysmonk> shasta: oh my, somebody must have hacked google to put it in the first hit
[14:17:18] <sunta> did you put the correct /etc/aliases blizzkid
[14:17:24] <blizzkid> shasta: also, I use virtual domains
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[14:17:34] <shasta> !tutorial
[14:17:35] <knoba> shasta: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[14:17:38] <shasta> blizzkid, ^^^^
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[14:18:20] <blizzkid> shasta: I know that, and it's not the case here, I just found that none of the tutorials seems to cover my setup
[14:19:39] <sunta> did you put anything to /etc/aliases blizzkid ?
[14:21:03] <blizzkid> sunta: see http://pastebin.com/m71cedbc0 for my current main.cf I'm not using /etc/aliases for the moment
[14:22:20] <loompek> is it possible just to do sender domain rewriting... neither canonical or generic maps work :(
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[14:22:49] <loompek> i'd just like to rewrite xxxxx at internaldomain dot com to xxxxx at some dot virtual.external.domain.com
[14:22:53] <loompek> the sender...
[14:23:01] <xpoint> loompek, man header_access
[14:24:39] <HSorgYves> man header_access
[14:25:02] <xpoint> sorry header_checks
[14:25:10] <HSorgYves> man header_checks
[14:25:19] <HSorgYves> upps
[14:25:24] <HSorgYves> i should get some sleep
[14:25:41] <loompek> thanks
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[14:28:26] <sunta> good nicht HSorgYves
[14:28:36] <sunta> ^night
[14:28:47] <HSorgYves> i should unfortunately i can't
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[14:39:29] <HSorgYves> does anyone have an example for smtp_generic_maps?
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[14:41:30] <lunaphyte_> !tell HSorgYves generic
[14:41:31] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[14:41:44] <sunta> !order beer
[14:41:45] <knoba> sunta: Error: "order" is not a valid command.
[14:42:07] <lunaphyte_> hmm.
[14:42:32] <lunaphyte_> !learn generic http://www.postfix.org/generic.5.html
[14:42:32] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Invalid arguments for learn.
[14:43:03] <lunaphyte_> !learn generic
[14:43:04] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Invalid arguments for learn.
[14:43:05] <lunaphyte_> oops
[14:43:11] <lunaphyte_> !learn generic as http://www.postfix.org/generic.5.html
[14:43:32] <lunaphyte_> what a spaz.
[14:44:06] <loompek> xpoint that hint was excellent... header_checks.. now the only thing is i have to learn pcre in 10 minutes... :)
[14:44:22] <shasta> !forget generic
[14:44:24] <shasta> !learn generic as generic(5) table specifies an address mapping that applies when mail is delivered. This is the opposite of canonical(5) mapping, which applies when mail is received. See http://www.postfix.org/generic.5.html
[14:44:28] <shasta> !generic
[14:44:29] <knoba> shasta: "generic" : generic(5) table specifies an address mapping that applies when mail is delivered. This is the opposite of canonical(5) mapping, which applies when mail is received. See http://www.postfix.org/generic.5.html
[14:44:33] <shasta> there. ;)
[14:44:58] <lunaphyte_> picky bastard.
[14:45:00] <lunaphyte_> :)
[14:45:10] <sunta> !newaliases
[14:45:11] <knoba> sunta: "newaliases" : the command you need to run when you edited your /etc/aliases (it will usually create an aliases.db from it)
[14:45:43] <loompek> the sender's e-mail is always in form +123456789/TYPE=PLM at mms dot mnc123.mcc123.gprs and i have to rewrite it to +123456789/TYPE=PLM at mms dot domain.com
[14:45:56] <loompek> wish me luck :)
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[15:01:44] <HSorgYves> so as far as i understood, generic won't help me :-(
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[15:25:05] <rosco> Hi
[15:25:38] <rosco> I'm still unsure if what I want to do is possible or not.
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[15:26:25] <rosco> I've already asked yesterday, but now I'm even more lost
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[15:30:05] <rosco> I want to set up a server for a domain with an already existent mailserver. What I want to do is receive emails for only 3 users (they are forwarded to me by the main server) and send email anywhere. The problem is: if I declare myself a destination for hazzard.com, the mail I'll send from my server will loop to myself. And If I don't declare myself a destination for hazzard.com, then how can I even receive the emails ? In fact I would like to be the dest
[15:30:05] <rosco> ination for my 3 users only. And leave all the rest of the domain to the main server. Is it possible ?
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[15:35:01] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#some_local # Correct link
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[15:44:21] <k-man__> how can i set up a system so my users can enable/disable their autoresponders?
[15:44:44] <Dominian> er.. that wouldn't be a postfix issue would it?
[15:45:23] <rosco> f3ew: yes, i remember this link, but it doesn't explain if I'm supposed to be a final destination for the domain or just for my host.
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[15:52:50] <zzzzzz> hi all
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[15:53:24] <junkY_work> hi, since i updated postfix to version 2.5.5 i get following message through squirrelmail: 535 5.7.8 Error: authentication failed: Invalid authentication mechanism
[15:54:00] <zzzzzz> someone just told me that I can detect forged sender email address using static analysis, but I don't really understand what 'static analysis' is.....
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[15:55:11] <k-man__> Dominian, no, but i thought some people here might have a few suggestions on how to do it
[15:55:36] <k-man__> idealy, i'd like some sort of web interface to allow users to enable their autoresponders
[15:55:49] <sysmonk> sieve++ in this case
[15:56:01] <junkY_work> postconf -n: http://rafb.net/p/ozng0D34.html
[15:56:04] <cpm> zzzzzz, I think that someone meant 'can detect *some* forged sender email address'
[16:00:17] <rosco> k-man__ : squirrelmail + autoresponse
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[16:00:47] <k-man__> rosco, have you tried it?
[16:00:59] <zzzzzz> cpm: yeah, but I would really know what how they do the detection, because currently I couldn't detect forge sender with the combination of whitelister + spf
[16:01:24] <zzzzzz> .. efficiently...
[16:01:36] <rosco> k-man__: yes
[16:01:50] <k-man__> rosco, and it worked well for you/
[16:01:54] <k-man__> ?
[16:02:11] <rosco> k-man__: you still have to install the vacation program.
[16:02:18] <k-man__> ok
[16:02:41] <k-man__> thanks rosco
[16:02:53] <junkY_work> the log says: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: Invalid authentication mechanism
[16:03:00] <junkY_work> isn't sasl login supported anymore in 2.5.5?
[16:03:01] <rosco> k-man__: I'm wondering why it's so difficult to find an easy  way to implement vacation messages on linux.
[16:03:28] <k-man__> rosco, well... i wonder that too.
[16:03:48] <k-man__> i think its fairly easy if you have shell access and shell know how
[16:03:57] <k-man__> but many users don't have either these days
[16:04:33] <k-man__> rosco, i think postfixadmin offers a nice way - but thats a fairly major change to the way I handle mail that I;d rather avoid
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[16:06:09] <cpm> rosco, for one thing, vacation is a pain in everyone else's rear-end when people use it. back in the day of regular ole mail servers and local accounts, vacation was trivial. times change, now everyone wants all these virtual (read vanity) domains, and zillions of non-local users, and vacation just isn't a big priority, because it's an auto-irritate mechanism, that just increases the useless email floating around.
[16:06:56] <lunaphyte_> agreed, auto-away messages in email are garbage.
[16:07:29] <cpm> auto-anny
[16:07:33] <cpm> annoy rather
[16:07:45] * sysmonk has an auto-cpm
[16:07:49] <lunaphyte_> that's not to say that non-email auto-away messages are any better.
[16:07:58] <lunaphyte_> :)
[16:08:04] * cpm sends sysmonk on vacation.
[16:08:11] <sysmonk> weee
[16:08:15] <sysmonk> will you pay for the vacation?
[16:08:16] <sysmonk> ;)
[16:08:40] <lunaphyte_> sure, you're going to newark, new jersey.
[16:08:52] <cpm> Teanack
[16:09:48] <lunaphyte_> teaneck?
[16:14:05] <f3ew> there is no ack?
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[16:16:28] <roe_> I have just discovered the first ring of hell
[16:16:47] <cpm> back away
[16:16:53] <roe_> SASL
[16:16:59] <cpm> heh
[16:17:02] <cpm> SASL is fun!
[16:17:15] <cpm> before you get to the next level, which SASL, there are 2
[16:17:17] <roe_> in a masochistic sort of way, sure it is a blast
[16:17:30] <roe_> sasl2
[16:17:46] <cpm> which of the sasl2, the cyrus-sasl or the dovecot-sasl?
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[16:17:55] <roe_> cyrus
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[16:18:12] <cpm> yup. you have entered the threshold. there is no turning back.
[16:18:50] <cpm> what imap server will you be using?
[16:19:25] <roe_> I'd like to try out the dovecot-sasl, does it work differently with postfix?
[16:19:30] <roe_> courier
[16:20:32] <cpm> if you are using courier, then there is no point to using dovecot. Once you have the cyrus sasl libraries and all that, you can use courier's auth mechanism, which will simplify it somewhat.
[16:20:37] <junkY_work> i'm having a problem with dovecot-sasl at the moment. every time i try to send a mail using squirrelmail it gives me following errors in the log: http://rafb.net/p/2ju5et40.html
[16:21:16] <roe_> cpm, correct, I would also like to replace courier with dovecot, but i think it is stupid to use both dovecot-imapd and cyrus-sasl
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[16:21:44] <cpm> roe_, then stop messing about, and go with dovecot, so you don't delve too deeply into cyrus sasl
[16:21:59] <cpm> dovecot has it's own sasl.
[16:22:29] <roe_> yes, andI have played with dovecot and sasl, but I just haven't played with postfix and dovecot sasl
[16:23:29] <cpm> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_dovecot
[16:24:16] <cpm> Hey, just got an email from those folks in Nigeria, claims I've been dealing with the wrong folks. Man, I hope these people can sort this out.
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[16:25:51] <vice-versa> roe_: it should be noted that dovecot client-side auth is not supported with postfix if that's a requirement
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[16:26:54] <afeijo> how can I fix this: postfix set-permissions
[16:26:54] <afeijo> chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_ldap.so': No such file or directory
[16:27:08] <afeijo> I dont want to use ldap
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[16:33:35] <vice-versa> afeijo: either ignore it or remove the reference from /etc/postfix-files
[16:33:42] <roe_> vice-versa, what do you mean client-side auth?
[16:34:08] <vice-versa> !sasl_client
[16:34:09] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl_client" : www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
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[16:34:37] <afeijo> thanks, vice-versa
[16:34:40] <roe_> oh, well that is required
[16:34:48] <afeijo> I just need to make my SMTP server work, I'm new on postfix
[16:34:59] <RaceCondition> how would I configure postfix to resend/forward messages sent to a particular e-mail address to another e-mail address (not on the same machine/domain)?
[16:35:31] <RaceCondition> just putting user at domain dot tld user at anotherdomain dot tld into /etc/postfix/virtual doesn't work
[16:36:33] <afeijo> how can I access postfix webmin?
[16:38:08] <cpm> ?
[16:38:19] <cpm> !webmin
[16:38:20] <knoba> cpm: Error: "webmin" is not a valid command.
[16:38:40] <roe_> is webmin still an active project?
[16:38:53] <brd> oh jeeze
[16:39:26] <afeijo> yeah, 22 sep version 3.62 was released
[16:39:33] <roe_> by the looks of their website, I guess so
[16:40:08] <afeijo> found, port 10000
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[17:00:41] <markl_> foo
[17:00:53] <roe_> bar
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[17:18:22] <simmerz> hi. i'm struggling with some alias stuff. if i test a mail to root, it should go to an email address. however, it's going to another user on the system but i can't find a reference to that link in /etc/aliases, and I've done newaliases and restarted postfix. any ideas? alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
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[17:42:22] <Techdeck> hey fellas, I have the following line in my main.cf -- virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual   --   how do I reload postfix to reread that file without restarting it? I need something like 'newaliases', /etc/init.d/postfix reload didn't work
[17:44:21] <jelly> !postmap
[17:44:22] <knoba> jelly: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')
[17:44:56] <Techdeck> do I need to reload postfix after?
[17:45:05] <jelly> tbh I don't know, but I think not
[17:45:37] <Techdeck> hmm, so what do I run exactly? postmap /etc/postfix/virtual ?
[17:46:23] <jelly> that will work, yes
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[17:55:01] <felix-da-catz> I have messages in my defer queue.  How can I get them requeued as new emails so they can be reprocessed?
[17:55:59] <felix-da-catz> deferred I guess
[17:56:31] <brd> they will automagically be tried again later
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[17:59:54] <cpm> felix-da-catz, if you are just impatient, and can't wait for the qmgr to just do it's job unattended, as it will, if you just leave it alone, you can read man postqueue
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[18:00:44] <sirio> 0/act
[18:00:52] <sirio> oops. sry.
[18:02:19] <felix-da-catz> Well here is the problem.  I know about postqueue -f and -r and -p.  But they are processing the emails with old settings in one of my config files. They are not reprocessing the email as if it were a brand new email coming into the system for the first time.
[18:04:08] <felix-da-catz> I basically took dspam out of the equation and am trying to get the emails sent directly to their maildir without going through the dspam server.  But the messages are still trying to go through the dspam server for some reason.
[18:04:42] <felix-da-catz> Ah never mind.  Apparently they have all been sent now
[18:04:54] <felix-da-catz> I used postsuper -r ALL and it seems to have worked properly
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[18:29:33] <sanmarcos> I don't need to run my postfix server on 25 right, I can just run it securely on 587 and I will receive emails?
[18:31:56] <brd> uh, no
[18:32:00] <felix-da-catz> No, mail servers communicate on port 25.  If you are talking about sending email from your email client to the mail server on port 587 then that will work.  But mail server to mail server requires port 25
[18:32:17] <brd> 587 is the submission port... i.e. for clients only
[18:32:46] <sanmarcos> ok, so I have to run both
[18:32:55] <sanmarcos> (I mean I just tried gmail to my server and it worked with 587 only)
[18:33:44] <roe_> gmail most definitely did not deliver mail to your mail server on 587
[18:34:13] <sanmarcos> it did, I had 25 closed off at the firewall
[18:36:24] <vice-versa> or so you thought
[18:37:20] <f3ew> closed in the wrong direction :)
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[18:39:59] <roe_> it would be a violation for gmail to use 587 to deliver mail to another server, no sane mail admin would ever try such a thing
[18:40:17] <roe_> nor should your mail server allow mail to be delivered through 587
[18:40:35] <brd> I wouldn't claim that gmail admins are sane...
[18:41:09] <roe_> perhaps not, but they are at least responsible in so far as their predictability, much more so than hotmail's or msn's mail admins
[18:41:22] <sanmarcos> google has mail administrators?
[18:41:29] <sanmarcos> they actually pay people to run mail servers?
[18:41:45] <brd> sanmarcos: I think they payed someone to write a bot to run the mail servers
[18:42:00] <roe_> brd, they probably built a robot to do it
[18:42:27] <loompek> argh
[18:42:30] <brd> I know a guy that works on the backend of gmail.. I should bug him
[18:42:31] <loompek> postifx doesn't like me :(
[18:42:41] <loompek> s/postifx/postfix/
[18:42:44] <roe_> can you blame it?
[18:43:08] <loompek> even though i've put '-o transport_maps=' ... in master.cf
[18:43:16] <loompek> it doesn't use it
[18:43:24] <loompek> it uses the value in main.cf
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[19:45:27] <mercun> got problem with this error >> virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem mail at domain dot com
[19:45:35] <mercun> postfix keep trying to send the email
[19:47:06] <vice-versa> !obvious
[19:47:07] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[19:47:15] <Dominian> !sweet
[19:47:16] <knoba> Dominian: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[19:49:03] <mercun> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
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[19:51:03] <vice-versa> !tell mercun vague
[19:51:04] <knoba> mercun: -> "vague" : Your description and or question is very vague. Please try to describe the problem more precisely. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
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[20:53:37] <puff> Hi... can somebody give me a little help a) checking my postfix install to make sure I'm not sending backscatter elsewhere,b) blocking incoming backscatter?
[20:54:42] <seekwill> Do you know what backscatter is?
[20:54:53] <seekwill> Blocking incoming backscatter isn't trivial
[20:55:40] <puff> Yeah, I know.
[20:55:46] <puff> But I'm swamped here.
[20:55:55] <puff> I'm more concerned with a), though.
[20:56:16] <puff> First, make sure I'm not inflicting this on somebody else :-)
[20:56:31] <lunaphyte_> not generating backscatter is trivial.
[20:56:39] <puff> Good.
[20:56:41] <lunaphyte_> !tell puff backscatter
[20:56:42] <knoba> puff: -> "backscatter" : http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
[20:56:48] <puff> I'm reading http://www.postfix.org/BACKSCATTER_README.html
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[20:57:03] <puff> However, that doesn't really address question a).
[20:57:31] <lunaphyte_> puff:  the bottom line is very simple.  don't accept mail you can't/won't deliver, and you won't generate backscatter.
[20:57:40] <seekwill> Well, if you know what it is, you know how to try it
[20:58:11] <Techdeck> thanks jelly
[20:58:14] <lunaphyte_> aye, indeed, it doesn't address not generating it.  odd.
[20:58:16] <Techdeck> what you said earlier worked great!
[20:59:00] <puff> lunaphyte_: "Doctor my arm hurts when I do this." "Then don't do that."
[20:59:44] <puff> seekwill: I'm more concerned with what settings I need to check to make sure I don't _send_ backscatter.
[21:00:14] <seekwill> puff: Send yourself a message that will bounce and see if it accepts it and then sends it back to you "i dont want it anymore"
[21:00:59] <seekwill> or if it says "no!" before it accepts
[21:01:06] * sysmonk pwn3s wedge
[21:01:12] <sysmonk> damn autocomplete
[21:01:14] * sysmonk pwn3s seekwill
[21:01:15] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:01:17] <seekwill> :(
[21:01:44] <Belgarath> hello anyubody had a problem with ssl like this ?
[21:02:23] <Belgarath> "alert write:fatal:handshake failure"
[21:02:36] <Belgarath> it happens only whern I disable SSLv2
[21:02:46] <sysmonk> did anyone have a problem with a car? it says "brum"
[21:03:13] <sysmonk> Belgarath: be more specific, logs and stuff are nice way to start
[21:04:10] * vice-versa logs some stuff
[21:04:31] <Belgarath> sysmonk: I get more or less this line ans that is it
[21:04:42] <Belgarath> SSL fails initialization because of it
[21:05:10] <Belgarath> I looked at google quite a lot of people have the same problem but nobody have solution
[21:05:57] * sysmonk doesn't even want to look at that without knowing the details
[21:06:16] <Belgarath> ok sysmonk what details do you want ?
[21:06:24] <Dominian> !logs
[21:06:24] <sysmonk> !showme
[21:06:25] <knoba> Dominian: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[21:06:26] <knoba> sysmonk: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[21:06:44] <puff> 550 <foobar at darksleep dot com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[21:07:01] <puff> okay, so this means I'm being a good network citizen, right?
[21:07:02] <sysmonk> puff: is there a system user by name foobar ?
[21:07:05] <puff> nope.
[21:07:11] <sysmonk> puff: then it works as expected
[21:07:22] <puff> Cool.
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[21:11:04] <lunaphyte_> wtf would you want to use sslv2?
[21:11:29] <Belgarath> lunaphyte_: I don;t
[21:11:33] <Belgarath> that is the point
[21:11:39] <Belgarath> but when I disbale it
[21:11:46] <Belgarath> every connection generates this error
[21:11:58] <lunaphyte_> what are you using as the client?
[21:12:26] <Belgarath> evolution kmail i even used openssl to test it
[21:12:30] <Belgarath> it fails with everything
[21:12:46] <lunaphyte_> my bet would be b0rked certificate or key.
[21:13:10] <Belgarath> hmm
[21:13:14] <sysmonk> i forgot my crystall ball today
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[21:13:25] <sysmonk> i think i even lost it
[21:13:38] <lunaphyte_> i smashed it.
[21:13:45] <sysmonk> yeah, could be
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[21:14:03] <sysmonk> or you took it for yourself, cause now you're the one who does the guessing
[21:14:08] <lunaphyte_> i melted it down and used the raw materials to manufacture cheap trinkets to sell in a mall kiosk.
[21:14:29] <sysmonk> doh, in the same place i bought it!
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[21:37:28] <felix-da-catz> Should I update the files in /var/spool/postfix/lib when they are updated in /lib?  I am obviously running in a chroot right now.  I get the warnings that the files are different.  So I didn't know how big of deal that was or not.
[21:40:32] <cinderous> Hey buds, all logs and output for my incident here: http://mrb.me/n/ ** my issue is I have no issues with remote telnet connection to imap, i can connect through webamail and clients... I do not get a bounceback message when sending mail to my email... it disapears yet I see it making files in my virtual directory! Im using MySQL dovecot postifx virtual users
[21:41:26] <cinderous> totally confused, never had this much trouble last time I setup postfix with mysql
[21:41:50] <cinderous> im thinking it has something to do with mysql connection as stated in my maillog error..yet it tells it will retry and has no further issues as from what I can tell
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[21:44:04] <cinderous> i can create imap folders and such which work between clients webmail
[21:44:21] <cinderous> the actual email messages are magical apparently
[21:46:10] <cinderous> darn looks like I missed the crowl while I was rotating my logs ;D
[21:46:14] <cinderous> im getting some water afk
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[22:00:21] <cinderous> =/
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[22:10:16] <cinderous> anybody here still? D:
[22:10:24] <vice-versa> yup
[22:10:54] <cinderous> do you have any insight on the problem I described?
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[22:11:39] <vice-versa> hmm, /tmp/mysql.sock seems rather odd
[22:12:56] <cinderous> =/
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[22:14:24] <vice-versa> not related to your issue, but sbl-sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org doesn't look right
[22:15:11] <cinderous> im sure it isnt, i havnt really messed with that
[22:15:33] <cinderous> this config has worked fine before with pop3
[22:15:46] <cinderous> i pretty much just backed up my configs when I did my machine
[22:16:09] <cinderous> and ive spent hours and hours tweaking them
[22:16:13] <kosta> One question.
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[22:16:35] <kosta> I'm looking for imformation how to block my users to send spam via our smtp server
[22:17:52] <felix-da-catz> smtp authentication maybe?
[22:18:08] <felix-da-catz> are they getting spam bots on their computers or what?
[22:18:29] <kosta> computer has viruses
[22:18:56] <brd> unplug their computers :D
[22:19:01] <kosta> :)
[22:19:06] <felix-da-catz> lol that is what I usually do honestly.
[22:19:22] <brd> block their computer from talking to the smtp server int he firewall
[22:19:28] <kosta> right now I working with 4500 > clients
[22:19:49] <brd> you should probably disable their account temporarily
[22:20:03] <kosta> so adding them to firewall is a litle bit hard
[22:20:26] <kosta> probably I will create some scripts to cound emails sended from specific ip
[22:20:30] <felix-da-catz> So would disabling their accounts
[22:20:55] <kosta> and that script will disable their accounts
[22:21:02] <felix-da-catz> Unless it is just one computer every once in a while
[22:21:12] <kosta> or I will add simple firewall rule to block spam from their accounts
[22:21:45] <kosta> problem is that IP addresses are from IP pool so I cant do much with IP blocking
[22:22:09] <brd> do they auth against your servers?
[22:22:16] <felix-da-catz> Only allow submissions on port 587.  UNless the programs are using their settings in Outlook or something.
[22:22:46] <brd> felix-da-catz: IIRC I think most spam virus programs use the API calls in outhouse or outhouse express
[22:23:11] <kosta> Yes. Bots are usually looking into outlook settings
[22:23:13] <sysmonk> russians have a good name for the outlook
[22:23:15] <sysmonk> outgliuk
[22:23:28] <kosta> what doeas it mean ?
[22:23:36] <kosta> :)
[22:23:36] <sysmonk> um, something like "outbug"
[22:23:42] <kosta> aha
[22:23:44] <kosta> true
[22:24:11] <felix-da-catz> lol  I don't know enough about them, but thanks for the tips.  :D
[22:25:10] <felix-da-catz> Do you have some examples of the spam emails that are being sent?  Maybe you could put a limit on the number of recipients on the messages.  I don't know if that only works for incoming or outgoing as well.
[22:25:17] <brd> felix-da-catz: I know nearly nothing about them.. and that is too much :)
[22:25:42] <brd> do you scan messages for viruses? with clamav or so?
[22:27:21] * sysmonk tries to look up, but damn, there's too much stuff to read
[22:28:28] <brd> :)
[22:28:37] <cinderous> man im totally screwing my sleeping schedule by not getting my sleep during the day
[22:28:42] <cinderous> i hate working in the middle of the night
[22:28:43] <cinderous> =/
[22:28:50] <cinderous> why cant it give me some errors to work with
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[22:32:38] <seekwill> It wants to make your life a LIVING NIGHTMARE
[22:35:49] <cinderous> yeah this is fucked up, I can open the file it creates in the folder for the mailbox and i can see full email headers and the message
[22:35:53] <cinderous> =/
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[22:36:55] <vice-versa> then what's the problem?
[22:38:04] <cinderous> my webmail and any client that connects to imap doesnt retreive the messages.. i can only see them has long random generated file names in the /new folder it drops them in if im looking at it through the actual server
[22:38:18] <cinderous> i can create folders ect through imap, just doesnt grab any messages it just says no new messages
[22:38:25] <cinderous> even though I see dozens in the virtual folder
[22:38:35] <vice-versa> !pop
[22:38:35] <knoba> vice-versa: "pop" : postfix is not a pop or imap server
[22:39:04] <cinderous> so really my issue just lies with dovecot I guess
[22:39:23] <vice-versa> so it seems
[22:39:53] <seekwill> You see the files?
[22:40:09] <seekwill> Are you sure you're not storing them as mbox instead of maildir?
[22:40:40] <cinderous> maildir
[22:41:30] <cinderous> just gunna rotate my logs and ask in dovecot
[22:42:13] <kosta> if you see files, than mail is received
[22:42:21] <kosta> now you need to fetch it
[22:42:29] <kosta> with dovecot or courier
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