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[00:44:47] <k-man__> if i have set an alias up for a group of users
[00:45:03] <k-man__> is it possible to have postfix add a reply-to header to that alias?
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[00:50:43] <cafuego> so tha if a use in that group msails out, replies go to the allias instead?
[00:51:54] <cafuego> not really, but you can use canonical mapping to rewrite the from into the alias
[00:54:07] <k-man__> cafuego, exactly, thanks. I'll read up on it
[00:54:17] <k-man__> cafuego, exactly, thanks. I'll read up on it
[00:54:18] <k-man__> oops
[00:54:21] <k-man__> sorry about that
[00:54:29] <cafuego> heh
[00:54:40] <cafuego> twice the dedication :-)
[00:58:07] <k-man__> is there an example i can see somewhere?
[00:58:47] <cafuego> i have an entry here: "cafuego    my at email dot address"
[00:59:20] <cafuego> so anything from "cafuego" gets rewritten to as coming from "my at email dot address"
[00:59:45] <cafuego> you'd nee to have "user1@domain   alias@domain"
[00:59:46] <k-man__> i have to go now - i'll research it later
[00:59:48] <k-man__> thanks for your help
[00:59:59] <cafuego> and repeat for each user in the alias
[01:00:17] <cafuego> np
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[01:30:24] <k-man_> cafuego: so that will basicaly rewrite the from address to the alias address?
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[01:40:20] <k-man_> what about using the prepend action to add the header? and trigger with a check_recipient_access restriction?
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[01:41:31] <jsoftw> Say I have a mail as it sit's in a Maildir. How to I inject that into postfix to get it sent?
[01:41:34] <cafuego> k-man_: 1) yes. 2) i have no idea :-)
[01:42:05] <jsoftw> Basically its a quarantined mail which I want to put back into postfix for delivery (for false positivies)
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[01:42:49] <k-man_> cafuego: maybe i'm not quite understanding but the problem with the solution you suggest is that all mails from user@domain will end up with alias@domain as their from address won't they?
[01:42:58] <cafuego> yes
[01:43:15] <cafuego> do you not want that to happen all the time?
[01:43:30] <k-man_> ah, thats not quite what I wanted. I'm trying to set up a poor mans mailing list
[01:43:48] <k-man_> using alias but I'm thinking its more difficult than I realised
[01:44:04] <cafuego> mailman ftw ;-)
[01:45:09] <k-man_> cafuego: i looked at the install howto for mailmain and it seemed fairly long winded. as I only have 1 list and about 5 users on it, it seemed a little overkill but i think yoru right now
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[01:45:17] <k-man_> its too hard to do just using aliases
[01:45:41] <k-man_> well... impossible _only_ using alias and requires other things to make it work
[01:45:49] <cafuego> mailman + postfix is fairlyn trivial to set up, especially if the list is onits own domain
[01:46:02] <k-man_> cafuego: it is on its own domain
[01:46:16] <k-man_> ill check it out again, thanks :)
[01:46:41] <k-man_> is there a prefered set of instructions on setting that up?
[01:46:43] <cafuego> k-man_: use the mailman transport method - it's in the mailman docs.
[01:46:45] <k-man_> i don't have any virtual domains
[01:46:49] <mib_7kqjgu> hey guys, how can i make it so any email sent to the alias "anton" also gets forwarded to his cell number? xxxxxxxxxx at mymetropcs dot com
[01:47:40] <cafuego> mib_7kqjgu: anton: \anton, xxxxxxxxxx at mymetropcs dot com" in /etc/aliases
[01:47:59] <cafuego> mib_7kqjgu: that will drop a copy in his inbox and also forward a copy
[01:48:55] <mib_7kqjgu> well his actual login is "vahi" without the quotes but i created an alias for him called anton. can i just daisy chain the anton alias to teh new metropcs alias as well?
[01:49:33] <cafuego> yep, just add a comma and any new recipients
[01:50:10] <cafuego> "anton: vaghi, xxxx@blah, other@address, andanother@email"
[01:50:47] <mib_7kqjgu> so now it looks like this "anton: vahi" but it needs to look like this? "anton: vahi, xxxxxxxxxx at mymetropcs dot com"
[01:51:49] <cafuego> yep
[01:52:04] <mib_7kqjgu> thanks!
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[02:02:53] <aoeu> i changed my hostname, and now postfix won't receive mail anymore
[02:03:46] <seekwill> Change it back!
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[02:05:14] <aoeu> i changed all the config files too
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[02:05:30] <aoeu> and now for some reason postfix thinks all my mail should be sent to root according to the logs
[02:05:31] <seekwill> Change it back!
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[02:10:27] <aoeu> i keep getting the error "User unknown in virtual alias table"
[02:11:02] <aoeu> so i don't think it has anything to do with my hostname now
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[02:16:49] <aoeu> how would changing my hostname cause this error?
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[02:22:15] <aoeu> seekwill, maybe i don't want to change it back. how do i force postfix to use the new domain?
[02:22:42] <seekwill> Didn't you say you thought it wasn't the hostname anymore?
[02:22:56] <aoeu> yes
[02:23:10] <aoeu> i have everything configured right, and for some reason it isn't delivering mail
[02:23:43] <seekwill> I bet it's not configured right
[02:23:48] <seekwill> What does your logs say?
[02:24:36] <aoeu> Sep 23 20:21:22 tourportage postfix/error[19658]: ED7DA9FDA8: to=<scott at zeug dot us>, orig_to=<scott at tourportage dot com>, relay=none, delay=1, status=bounced (User u
[02:24:36] <aoeu> nknown in virtual alias table)
[02:25:12] <chadmaynard> what is your virtual user map set to?
[02:25:36] <aoeu> /etc/postfix/virtual
[02:26:14] <chadmaynard> whats in that?
[02:26:45] <aoeu> http://zeug.us/virtual
[02:29:27] <aoeu> doesn't everything look right?
[02:30:37] <chadmaynard> did you postmap /etc/postfix/virtual ?
[02:30:44] <aoeu> yes
[02:31:11] <chadmaynard> after adding scott at zeug dot us ?
[02:31:17] <aoeu> yes
[02:32:10] <aoeu> and did postfix reload
[02:33:55] <aoeu> could there maybe be a bug in postfix?
[02:38:28] <aoeu> ugh this is very annoying
[02:40:10] <aoeu> a few days before i made this change, i added the user zeug, and changed my virtual file to send everything from zeug.us to zeug
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[02:40:25] <aoeu> and it started sending all email to zeug, not just zeug.us
[02:40:40] <aoeu> so then i set it back to scott, and changed my hostname and it hasn't worked since
[02:41:01] <seekwill> Who's Scott?
[02:41:11] <aoeu> a username
[02:42:11] * aoeu is going to change everything back to zeug.us just for the hell of it to see if things start working again
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[02:45:14] <aoeu> everything's suddenly working again
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[02:45:29] <aoeu> weird that it doesn't like running off my other hostname
[02:50:15] <seekwill> You are stuck with that hostname
[02:50:46] <aoeu> meh, fuck it
[02:50:53] <aoeu> i'll just run it off of this hostname
[02:51:02] <vice-versa> lol
[02:51:04] <seekwill> I like that hostname anyways
[02:51:28] <aoeu> no one ever goes to that name, they always use my others
[02:51:37] <aoeu> just gets spam
[02:51:52] <aoeu> thats how i know my mailserver's working, if scott at zeug dot us is getting spam, its up
[02:52:22] <vice-versa> O.o
[02:52:28] <vice-versa> wow
[02:53:16] <seekwill> You need better spam handling!
[02:53:24] <aoeu> it gets 1 spam msg a minute
[02:53:59] <aoeu> no, i probably shouldn't have signed up for a lot of paid survey companies with it years ago
[02:54:05] <aoeu> my stupid teenage years lol
[02:55:27] <aoeu> when i sign up for stuff now, i use aliases
[02:55:47] <aoeu> like myspace at vanness dot ws for myspace, facebook at vanness dot ws for facebook, etc.
[02:56:44] <vice-versa> seeing how you're all grown up, see the pre-data spam control cheat sheet
[02:56:47] <vice-versa> !cheatsheet
[02:56:48] <knoba> vice-versa: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[03:24:25] <roe_> how can I temporary fail (450) a handful of domains in a mail relay?
[03:25:04] <roe_> mail relay - mail gateway
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[03:54:36] <roe_> got it, headerchecks are my friend
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[04:02:18] <dan__t> Hello.
[04:03:07] <dan__t> I have many messages in queue that appear to be spam, which have a deferred status.  I suspect that they may have an impact on current performance.  Is it advisable to search and delete such messages, or is there some way that I can clear them based on recipient, or anything like that?
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[04:29:55] <vice-versa> dan__t: you're treating the symptom not the cause, your first order of business is to figure out why your queues are clogged with undeliverable mail in the first place
[04:30:17] <dan__t> That has been established and rectified.
[04:30:50] <dan__t> Assuming that being the case, I understand that Postfix will resolve the deferred messages itself, but just as part of not-often-routine maintenance there might be something I could do to assist manually.
[04:32:29] <vice-versa> !postsuper
[04:32:30] <knoba> vice-versa: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.
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[04:57:51] <sahil> dan__t: yes, you can clear them based on recipient.
[04:58:18] <sahil> dan__t: you have to parse the output of mailq, extract the QUEUEIDs and pass them to postsuper -d - (the last dash reads the input from STDIN).
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[04:58:42] <dan__t> Very cool.
[04:58:51] <vice-versa> !qstrdel
[04:58:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "qstrdel" : delete messages from postfix queues by string pattern match, find `postconf -h queue_directory` -type f | xargs fgrep -l 'YOUR_SEARCH_STRING' | sed 's,.*/,,' | postsuper -d -
[04:58:53] <sahil> if you need help with extracting, let me know.
[04:59:26] <sahil> i prefer a doing it w/o sed with cut and tr, but try what was just posted as well.
[04:59:48] <sahil> i would first just see that the output looks reasonable without piping to -d - :P
[04:59:58] <sahil> s/without/before
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[05:02:36] <dan__t> I love you guys.
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[05:36:49] <dan__t> Ok, time to roll - thanks again guys.
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[07:17:32] <k-man_> where can i find the doco on the relay_domains directive?
[07:17:59] <k-man_> oh, nm, i found it
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[07:24:35] <doesnotexist> hi, where is postmap located in freebsd? postmap: Command not found.
[07:27:27] <xpoint> /usr/sbin so need root
[07:27:51] <k-man_> when i stick this in my main.cf  "relay_domains = lists.organictrader.com.au" i get this error: fatal: open /etc/postfix/relay_domains: No such file or director
[07:28:08] <k-man_> what am I doing wrong?
[07:28:49] <doesnotexist> there's no relay_domains directory..
[07:28:51] <doesnotexist> i guess
[07:28:57] <xpoint> touch relay_domains
[07:29:06] <k-man_> make a file for it?
[07:29:07] <k-man_> hmm
[07:29:25] <xpoint> in the file
[07:29:29] <k-man_> in the postfix directory?
[07:29:35] <Motoko-chan> doesnotexist, try installing Postfix?
[07:30:04] <xpoint> lists.foo.example.org notimportant
[07:30:35] <doesnotexist> Motoko-chan: its already install
[07:30:38] <xpoint> postnao relay_domains
[07:30:57] <doesnotexist> was able to /usr/local/sbin/postmap
[07:30:58] <doesnotexist> but
[07:31:01] <doesnotexist> i had alot of this
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[07:31:07] <k-man_> xpoint: that was all for me right?
[07:31:10] <doesnotexist> postmap: warning: /etc/aliases, line 79: record is in "key: value" format; is th is an alias file?
[07:31:22] <xpoint> in main.cf define it with relay_domains=hasg:/etc/postfix/relay_domains
[07:31:23] <doesnotexist> a couple of lines have that
[07:31:27] <f3ew> hash
[07:31:35] <xpoint> hash: even
[07:31:55] <k-man_> what is postnao?
[07:32:09] <xpoint> my keyboard :)
[07:32:10] <f3ew> postmap
[07:32:14] <k-man_> oh
[07:32:30] <doesnotexist> Motoko-chan: whats thi postmap: waring: mean
[07:32:48] <doesnotexist> what does* postmap: warning: /etc/aliases, line 79: record is in "key: value" format; is this an alias file?
[07:32:56] <xpoint> doesnotexist, it means use postalias
[07:32:56] <doesnotexist> i have alot of em
[07:33:55] <doesnotexist> ill post alias where xpoint?
[07:34:24] <doesnotexist> ill postalias where?
[07:34:25] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep alias_maps
[07:35:02] <doesnotexist> u wanna see d output?
[07:35:02] <xpoint> or simply use newaliases
[07:35:53] <doesnotexist> i still get it after doing newaliases then id do postmap /etc/aliases
[07:36:02] <doesnotexist> the warning
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[07:38:55] <xpoint> are you sure postfix use that /etc/aliases file ?
[07:39:38] <doesnotexist> i did em both, looks like its working now, i did postalias /etc/postfix/aliasses and /etc/aliasses
[07:40:07] <doesnotexist> freebsd# ls /etc/aliases*
[07:40:10] <doesnotexist> /etc/aliases /etc/aliases.db
[07:40:17] <xpoint> why do you have the file splted into 2 files ?
[07:40:27] <doesnotexist> freebsd# ls /etc/postfix/aliases*
[07:40:29] <doesnotexist> /etc/postfix/aliases /etc/postfix/aliases.db
[07:40:43] <doesnotexist> what do you mean why i have to split it into 2 files?
[07:41:10] <xpoint> default postifx does not use 2 files for this map
[07:41:21] <doesnotexist> where is the postfix alias file? its in /etc/postfix/aliases right?
[07:41:38] <doesnotexist> what should i do x? :D help help
[07:41:40] <doesnotexist> im a bit lost.
[07:41:41] <xpoint> see postconf -d | grep alias_maps
[07:43:04] <doesnotexist> http://pastebin.com/d359572b6
[07:43:49] <doesnotexist> thats the output..
[07:44:34] <xpoint> so newaliases update alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases in your setup, why do you have splted aliases files ? :)))
[07:45:23] <doesnotexist> what do you mean i had to split it *confuzed*
[07:45:35] <doesnotexist> would it mess things up?
[07:45:46] <xpoint> the alias_maps is for all local users that cant read mails on localhost and since that want them otherplases or users
[07:46:56] <xpoint> give me postconf -n olso
[07:48:23] <doesnotexist> http://pastebin.com/m1df14cf7
[07:49:11] <xpoint> remove line 2 3 in main.cf
[07:50:45] <doesnotexist> ill comment it out?
[07:51:18] <xpoint> okay olso
[07:51:46] <xpoint> is this postfix on NAT setup behind a router ?
[07:52:25] <doesnotexist> http://pastebin.com/d602a62b
[07:53:00] <doesnotexist> nope
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[07:53:39] <xpoint> ah bit to fast, i see the wan ip now
[07:53:47] <xpoint> all well
[07:54:14] <xpoint> problem is now ?
[07:54:42] <doesnotexist> i was asking will i mess it up if its splitted aliases files
[07:54:46] <doesnotexist> thats what im asking
[07:54:55] <doesnotexist> after i remove line 2 and 3 in main.cf
[07:54:59] <doesnotexist> what should i do nextr?
[07:55:01] <doesnotexist> what should i do next?
[07:55:14] <xpoint> yes it will, but not for virtual_alias maps
[07:55:32] <xpoint> alias_maps most not be splted
[07:56:00] <doesnotexist> how do i fix it, the splitted files
[07:56:12] <xpoint> join them
[07:56:15] <dan__t> hm, so I can use smtp:[ip.add.re.ss] I believe, to redirect all accepted mail to a remote transport, right/
[07:56:29] <doesnotexist> Additionally, aliases were created for the email addresses virusalert and spam.police in our postfix aliases file.
[07:56:33] <doesnotexist> i was just following that
[07:56:49] <doesnotexist> i need to add virusalert and spam.police in the postfix alias file
[07:57:01] <xpoint> show me this alias files so
[07:59:18] <doesnotexist> i removed the thing that i added in /etc/aliases
[07:59:32] <doesnotexist> then i did postalias /etc/aliases
[07:59:35] <doesnotexist> then newaliases
[07:59:50] <doesnotexist> i undo-ed what iv'ed done earlier
[07:59:51] <xpoint> one of them is enough
[08:01:16] <doesnotexist> yeah i modified the one in /etc/postfix/aliases
[08:02:01] <xpoint> point is that newaliases only index /etc/aliases, you had /etc/postfix/aliases
[08:02:33] <xpoint> join the 2 files
[08:02:50] <xpoint> and save it in /etc/aliases
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[08:05:54] <gh0st> got dc < doesnotexisthere
[08:12:17] <k-man_> if i intend to add this to main.cf   ,hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases    how do i get it to make the aliases.db file?
[08:13:48] <xpoint> mailman do this
[08:14:07] <xpoint> postfix will reload when changed
[08:14:16] <k-man_> xpoint: well, my mailman isn't making it
[08:14:22] <xpoint> if mailman do the postmap
[08:14:25] <k-man_> so something must be wrong
[08:14:47] <xpoint> hmm
[08:15:21] <xpoint> it add lists to aliases ?, but do not postmap it ?
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[08:15:56] <k-man_> xpoint: no, there is no aliases file there either (in the /var/lib/mailman/data/ directory)
[08:16:26] <xpoint> then read install docs for mailman
[08:16:40] <jeev> xpoint.
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[08:22:27] <mesut> hi,is it possible to allow some users, local mailing only ?
[08:22:46] <xpoint> why ?
[08:22:59] <sysmonk> mesut: you could use restriction classess for that
[08:23:03] <sysmonk> !restriction_class
[08:23:05] <knoba> sysmonk: "restriction_class" : postfix per-client/user/etc. access control http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
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[08:27:45] <mesut> sysmonk: i've some users,(ie Group A) which supposed to mail only in their group (Group A)
[08:28:04] <mesut> or same domain
[08:29:53] <mesut> and i think yout link is what i want,thanks sysmonk
[08:30:38] <sysmonk> np
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[08:37:37] <Ergo^> morning
[08:37:53] <sysmonk> oh sure it is, atleast it's not good
[08:37:53] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:39:43] <Ergo^> hello, i needed to send mail from my server via smtp (mailboxes are handled by google), so i installed postfix, i chose "internet site" during setup do i need to configure it further, so its secure , or can i leave it as it is now after install ?
[08:40:30] <sysmonk> i don't know what the hell "internet site" is
[08:40:48] <sysmonk> it's you distribution dependend stuff
[08:42:09] <Ergo^> ah, im using ubuntu 8.04, i should probably ask on their channel  ?
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[08:43:35] <sysmonk> ask on their channel
[08:43:50] <Ergo^> k, thanks
[08:43:53] <Ergo^> have a good day
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[08:49:28] <mesut> i guess,internet site on that step,means, a mail server that sends/recieves mail from internet
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[09:07:33] <change_> hi all
[09:08:40] <change_> i get a unroutable address 550 sender verify failed wot should i check out?
[09:09:26] <sysmonk> is it your server saying so or is it remote server saying so?
[09:09:33] <change_> i can send from one account to another but not to external adresses
[09:09:40] <change_> my server
[09:09:56] <change_> in the maillog
[09:09:57] <sysmonk> do you have reject_unverified_recipient ?
[09:10:07] <change_> let me check
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[09:11:53] <change_> nno ive got a unknown
[09:12:12] <sysmonk> change_: pastebin the logs
[09:12:13] <change_> nno ive got a unknown_local_receptient_reject code = 550\
[09:12:15] <sysmonk> and your postconf -n
[09:12:17] <change_> ok
[09:16:18] <change_> http://pastebin.com/m2fee6fd
[09:16:46] <sysmonk> it's not your server. it's remote server
[09:17:03] <sysmonk> were you sending from mta or from console?
[09:17:11] <sysmonk> you have a bad from address, which can't be verified
[09:18:07] <change_> i tried from the webmail
[09:18:18] <sysmonk> then set your webmail setting correctly
[09:18:40] <change_> i tried using telnet aswell
[09:18:51] <sysmonk> what did you use for your 'from' ?
[09:19:20] <change_> my email adress...valid one...i can receive mail from anywhere bu not send
[09:19:54] <sysmonk> change_: show your whole telnet session + log in postfix for it
[09:20:02] <sysmonk> pastebin it even :P
[09:20:05] <change_> if its on the same domain then i can send ie change at mycompany dot com to robert at mycompany dot com
[09:20:12] <sysmonk> just do what i said
[09:20:16] <change_> kk
[09:20:31] <sysmonk> oh noes, kk's again :P
[09:20:57] <robtone_> wtf
[09:21:20] <sysmonk> omgwtflol
[09:21:25] <robtone_> kthxbye
[09:21:29] <sysmonk> ;)))
[09:27:55] <change_> ok thats weird,it works from telnet
[09:28:06] <sysmonk> it should :)
[09:28:11] <sysmonk> if you gave it a correct FROM
[09:28:26] <sysmonk> the problem is that your from isn't correct when sending from webmail
[09:28:41] <sysmonk> you should 1. fix the webmail or 2. make postfix append a correct domain
[09:28:56] <change_> where do i check that? or how do i fix it sorry...?
[09:29:03] <sysmonk> webmail settings!
[09:29:21] <sysmonk> if it's squirrelmail then go to your profile and make your email address correct
[09:29:47] <change_> i have squirrelmail...
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[09:42:02] <change_> ok thats sorted thanx alot....how do i create a maildir for every user in their home directory without having to use echo "helo" | mail username?
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[09:44:35] <sysmonk> that's up to your user adding script
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[09:44:52] <sysmonk> you can create a Maildir directory in your seleton
[09:45:16] <sysmonk> or if you have some specific needs, make a little user creationg script which does the job for you
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[09:47:38] <change_> will it work if i copy the eintire maildir of another user to all the other users?
[09:47:56] <k-man_> well, i have to say, hosting my own mail host is awesome
[09:48:11] <k-man_> i was using a mail host and popping off all the email for my users
[09:48:15] <k-man_> it was a nightmare
[09:48:44] <k-man_> but this is so cool now that I host it localy. emails arrive instantly. I'm running mailman localy which runs much faster than my old host too
[09:48:53] <k-man_> thanks to you all for helping me getting postfix going
[09:49:22] <k-man_> and thanks to cafuego for pushing me to set up mailman :)
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[09:53:44] <Ergo^> http://paste2.org/p/78076 - is it safe how i set up my hostname, origin and destination ?
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[09:54:38] <WeirdCulture> huch
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[10:00:37] <LordLamer> hi. i some mails are rejected here with following message: BAD_HEADER: Non-encoded 8-bit data (char FC hex)... Can i accept this mails or is this a client problem that do stupid encoding?
[10:04:44] <xpoint> client problem
[10:05:58] <Ergo^> can anyone take a loot at my main.cnf ?
[10:06:02] <Ergo^> look
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[10:09:39] <xpoint> LordLamer, but on the other hand you do not use default main.cf
[10:10:07] <LordLamer> xpoint: so what could i do?
[10:10:31] <xpoint> make client solve it is the best
[10:11:12] <LordLamer> xpoint: i know. exists a "bad" solution for serverside?
[10:11:44] <xpoint> not one i am awhere of
[10:12:03] <xpoint> but yes it can be solved on server side
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[10:12:54] <LordLamer> xpoint: any hints for me where i can search for?!
[10:12:54] <xpoint> simplest is to disable 8bitmime and hope remote client/servers do the mime part
[10:13:02] <sysmonk> LordLamer: that error doesn't seem like postfix
[10:13:09] <sysmonk> LordLamer: looks more like spamassassin/amavisd one
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[10:13:20] <Vladimir[LV]> Hello!
[10:13:31] <Vladimir[LV]> Help me please! Im trying to install postfix+courier.. mail.warn >> postfix/smtpd[18242]: fatal: need service transport:endpoint instead of "inet"
[10:13:38] <Ergo^> of i set myorigin and mydestination ? to $mydomain and myhostname to my "main" domain name is it ok ?
[10:13:54] <xpoint> sysmonk, it is postfix, but its not default main.cf
[10:14:29] <sysmonk> i don't think it's postfix
[10:15:01] <sysmonk> it's really not postfix error
[10:15:09] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep mime
[10:15:35] <xpoint> postconf -d | grep strict
[10:15:44] <sysmonk> LordLamer: could you pastebin the log line which has that error?
[10:15:53] <LordLamer> yes
[10:15:55] <LordLamer> one moment
[10:16:07] <xpoint> sysmonk, it can be amavisd olso
[10:16:23] <sysmonk> xpoint: i just looked at postfix sources, i DO NOT see that kind of error
[10:16:28] <sysmonk> i never saw that kind of error from postfix
[10:16:35] <xpoint> sysmonk, but if postfix do strict its postfix
[10:16:43] <sysmonk> xpoint: i bet it's NOT postfix
[10:16:46] <sysmonk> wanna bet?
[10:16:46] <sysmonk> ;)
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[10:17:03] <xpoint> grep 7bit then
[10:17:10] <sysmonk> xpoint: wanna bet or not?
[10:17:31] <xpoint> i win :)
[10:17:38] <sysmonk> so, wanna bet or not?
[10:17:46] <xpoint> nope
[10:17:50] <sysmonk> then shut up :)
[10:17:59] <xpoint> not on irc
[10:18:15] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: hey fellow neighbour :P
[10:18:33] <xpoint> is he from mars like you sysmonk ?
[10:18:35] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: postconf -n and pastebin
[10:18:36] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: ?
[10:18:47] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: lithuania here
[10:18:47] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: ohh ok =)
[10:18:51] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk ;p
[10:19:02] <LordLamer> http://paste.debian.net/17869/
[10:19:17] <LordLamer> @sysmonk @xpoint
[10:19:41] <sysmonk> xpoint: taraaaam, see?
[10:20:03] <sysmonk> that diagnostic is amavisd
[10:20:23] <sysmonk> LordLamer: is it your mta who rejects the mail?
[10:20:32] <LordLamer> yes
[10:20:37] <xpoint> LordLamer, postconf -d is default :(
[10:20:38] <sysmonk> LordLamer: if so, you can 'disable' it in amavisd/spamassassin
[10:21:21] <LordLamer> sysmonk: thanks for hint. did you now what value i must change?
[10:21:28] <xpoint> LordLamer, postconf -n is YOUR non default settings
[10:22:22] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/d7c2246cd
[10:22:41] <sysmonk> LordLamer: final_bad_header_destiny or something like that
[10:22:52] <sysmonk> LordLamer: look at amavisd.conf, or ask on #amavis
[10:23:08] <LordLamer> sysmonk: ok thanks for help
[10:23:16] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: pastebin your main.cf
[10:23:37] <sysmonk> might be a PEBKAC / mistype
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[10:41:40] <xpoint> sysmonk, is there more to fight about ? :)
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[10:43:00] <sysmonk> xpoint: didn't i win?
[10:43:37] <xpoint> nope you did no bet
[10:43:53] <xpoint> so you loosed :)
[10:43:53] <sysmonk> because you chickened out
[10:44:17] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: sec
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[10:46:44] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: http://pastebin.com/df5c9bae
[10:47:49] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: that's not the real main.cf
[10:48:07] <sysmonk> atleast it's not full
[10:48:13] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[10:48:25] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: your smtpd_recipient_restrictions and smtpd_sender_restrictions end in a $
[10:48:26] <Vladimir[LV]> byt this manual i was configure my server
[10:48:37] <sysmonk> i think your editor/file viewer choped the line there
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[10:49:03] <Vladimir[LV]> ohh, sysmonk
[10:49:21] <Vladimir[LV]> i cant copy from putty full text
[10:49:36] <sysmonk> then try to copy it right :)
[10:49:39] <sysmonk> and then we'll talk :P
[10:49:50] <Vladimir[LV]> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unauth_destination, check_policy_service inet
[10:49:55] <Vladimir[LV]> smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit
[10:50:00] <sysmonk> don't paste to the channel.
[10:50:05] <Vladimir[LV]> sorry
[10:50:14] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: your smtpd_recipient_restrictions are bad, they can't end like that
[10:50:19] <sysmonk> check_policy_service inet isn't full
[10:50:23] <sysmonk> there must be something after it
[10:50:36] <Vladimir[LV]> ok thank you
[10:50:39] <sysmonk> yup, the manual you have sucks
[10:50:42] <sysmonk> the howto that is
[10:50:59] <sysmonk> it's not full
[10:51:04] <Vladimir[LV]> ohh :)
[10:51:08] <Vladimir[LV]> where is full? =)
[10:51:12] <sysmonk> i don't know :)
[10:51:27] <sysmonk> but the one you have isn't full, somebody was lazy enough to not write it to the end
[10:51:50] <Vladimir[LV]> :))
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[10:52:19] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: look at the page
[10:52:20] <sysmonk>  Needs Expansion: This article is incomplete, and needs to be expanded. More info...
[10:52:32] <Vladimir[LV]> i see..\
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[10:54:04] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: where i can get full manual?
[10:54:12] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: s/manual/how-to/ :)
[10:54:16] <sysmonk> !docs
[10:54:16] <knoba> sysmonk: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[10:54:19] <sysmonk> !howto
[10:54:20] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "howto" is not a valid command.
[10:54:24] <sysmonk> doh
[10:54:28] <Vladimir[LV]> thank you xD
[10:54:32] <sysmonk> anyway, the howto you're using has some link to another howto
[10:54:40] <sysmonk> and using howtos isn't good
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[10:54:53] <sysmonk> !fish
[10:54:53] <knoba> sysmonk: "fish" : Give an admin a fish and you feed them for a day. Teach an admin to fish and you feed them for a life. -- All new anglers, please see the following channel factoids, !tutorial !docs !basic !standard !faq !manuals !logs !debug !smtpd!=smtp
[10:54:58] <sysmonk> !how-to
[10:54:58] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "how-to" is not a valid command.
[10:55:03] <sysmonk> damn it knoba :P
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[10:56:24] <Vladimir[LV]> oh, sysmonk
[10:56:41] <Vladimir[LV]> maybe you know some FULL postfix+courier installation manual?
[10:56:49] <sysmonk> don't call it manual
[10:56:51] <sysmonk> it's a howto
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[10:56:57] <sysmonk> manuals = good, howto = bad ;)
[10:57:13] <sysmonk> manual = explains how to use, howto = copy&&paste and you don't know what it does :)
[10:57:14] <Vladimir[LV]> *howto
[10:57:26] <Vladimir[LV]> i understand what i do
[10:57:29] <Vladimir[LV]> but.. :)
[10:57:34] <sysmonk> and no, i don't, haven't used a howto in ~4-5 years
[10:57:37] <wooz> Is courier is imap server?
[10:57:42] <sysmonk> wooz: yes
[10:57:59] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: workaround.org has a good howto about postfix+dovecot
[10:58:04] <wooz> Thanks sysmonk ;p
[10:58:04] <sysmonk> but i don't know any about postfix+courier
[10:58:17] <Vladimir[LV]> i want postfix+courier
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[10:58:24] <Vladimir[LV]> ;(
[10:58:33] <wooz> I would like to learn about postfix+courier too, and also squirrelmail.
[10:59:41] <sysmonk> read postfix documentation, read courier documentation, read squirrelmail documentation :P
[10:59:59] <Vladimir[LV]> :)))))
[11:00:13] <wooz> Is it difficult to migrate from sendmail to postfix? Is it really better in your opinion?
[11:00:38] <sysmonk> depends on your current setup. and yes, imho postfix is better
[11:00:55] * sysmonk afk meeting
[11:01:07] <wooz> Ok sysmonk ;p thx.
[11:01:46] <wooz> Vladimir[LV]: Why do you choose courier?
[11:01:56] <Vladimir[LV]> i dont know :)))
[11:02:27] <wooz> lol ;p
[11:05:21] <Vladimir[LV]> wooz: there is many how-to's http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[11:05:22] <Vladimir[LV]> :D
[11:06:07] <wooz> Thanks a heap Vladimir[LV] ;p
[11:06:27] <Vladimir[LV]> xD
[11:07:31] <wooz> I haven't done anything with postfix, still worried about the migration from sendmail ;p
[11:07:57] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk
[11:08:19] <Vladimir[LV]> i have already set up virtual users in postfix
[11:08:28] <Vladimir[LV]> but i cant login with mysql login and password
[11:08:36] <Vladimir[LV]> only with linux system accounts ;/
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[11:14:03] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk: how i can FULLY delete courier? imap, pop3 and others.. ?
[11:15:45] <wooz> Delete courier? Why would you want to do that?
[11:16:18] <xpoint> format C: /s
[11:16:19] <xpoint> :)
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[11:17:30] <Vladimir[LV]> x))
[11:17:43] <Vladimir[LV]> wooz: want to install dovecot
[11:18:25] <wooz> Any particular reason to do that? ;p
[11:18:44] <xpoint> its not a good question, so yelds no good answers
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[11:19:55] <scott> If my mail client tries to include the Return-Path header does postfix ignore this?
[11:20:00] <xpoint> Vladimir[LV], if you need migrade from courier-imap to dovecot, then install dovecot before uninstall courier-imap
[11:20:31] <xpoint> scott, it rewrite it
[11:20:58] <wooz> I'm too at the position to choose either to use courier or dovecot.
[11:21:20] <xpoint> Vladimir[LV], then use imapsync to migrade
[11:21:21] <Vladimir[LV]> xpoint and?
[11:21:28] <Vladimir[LV]> no no no
[11:21:31] <scott> oh, i used to use procmail and that let the mail client specify a return-path
[11:21:32] <Vladimir[LV]> its my first installation
[11:21:36] <xpoint> yes yes yes :)
[11:21:39] <Vladimir[LV]> courier is hard
[11:21:43] <Vladimir[LV]> ill try to install dovecot
[11:21:47] <Vladimir[LV]> i no need sync
[11:21:53] <Vladimir[LV]> cuz i havent mails
[11:21:58] <Vladimir[LV]> and all my mails is in mysql
[11:21:59] <Vladimir[LV]> xD
[11:22:14] <xpoint> hmm :)
[11:23:14] <scott> is there a way of making postfix rewriting the "From:" header to include the message ID as part of the email address if a certain or blank from header is sent?
[11:23:31] <wooz> Vladimir[LV]: Then just install dovecot and uninstall courier ;p
[11:23:36] <xpoint> scott, how ?, return-path is postfix envelope-sender header, did other set this ?
[11:24:48] <xpoint> if from is empty make it set to return-path is better
[11:25:23] <Vladimir[LV]> mm
[11:25:34] <Vladimir[LV]> what is best? dovecot or courier?
[11:25:35] <xpoint> message-id is newer anything to do with with sender sent the email
[11:26:05] <xpoint> Vladimir[LV], you ask to much :)
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[11:27:21] <xpoint> Vladimir[LV], first you have to define better for me
[11:28:42] <xpoint> Vladimir[LV], but shourt: 1 courier-imap is stable, 2: dovecot is more develope on, so its a bit unstable
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[11:32:49] <Tykling> dovecot has been very very stable for me, and a quantum leap in front of courier in ease of configurability ;)
[11:33:11] <Vladimir[LV]> xpoint, good, then installing courier back
[11:33:14] <Vladimir[LV]> :)))
[11:33:35] <Vladimir[LV]> but by other howto ;D
[11:33:37] <xpoint> i did not say that dovecot is bad
[11:33:53] <Vladimir[LV]> xpoint: just joke =)
[11:34:21] <andreask2> Hi! I'm trying to make Postfix SMTP-Auth work with Cyrus-SASL and MySQL. In /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf I use pwcheck_method: auxprop, auxprop_plugin: sql, libsasl2 and libsasl2-modules-sql are installed. But when I try to login, I get an error in /var/log/auth.log: sql_select option missing, auxpropfunc error no mechanism available, _sasl_plugin_load failed on sasl_auxprop_plug_init for plugin: sql
[11:34:42] <xpoint> i see a number of problems in dovecot, but maybe its just me :(
[11:35:53] <xpoint> andreask2, is cyrus-sasl compiled with mysql and crypt ?
[11:36:03] <andreask2> saslfinger -s finds libsql.* files in /usr/lib/sasl2.
[11:38:24] <andreask2> it's an ubuntu package, I installed libsasl2, libsasl2-modules and libsasl2-modules-sql.
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[11:38:38] <andreask2> how can I find out?
[11:39:11] <andreask2> I don't use cyrus but courier, only for Postfix SMTP-Auth.
[11:40:39] <scott> xpoint: I'm guessing if the header was set by the client it would override what the MDA wants to use
[11:43:03] <xpoint> andreask2, if passwords in mysql is crypted md5 then you need crypt support in sasl, else you need to do saslauthd mapping
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[11:45:23] <andreask2> xpoint, it's encrypted, but It does not look like md5.
[11:45:52] <xpoint> okay
[11:45:54] <andreask2> but shouldn't such a problem trigger a different error?
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[11:47:03] <xpoint> yes seems mysql is missing on cyrus-sasl
[11:47:17] <xpoint> or wround smtpd.conf
[11:47:25] <xpoint> wroung even :)
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[11:49:30] <andreask2> /usr/lib/sasl2/libsql.so is linked with libmysqlclient.so as well as libcrypt.so.
[11:50:50] <xpoint> andreask2, http://cvs.caudiumforge.net/viewvc/openvisp/admin/contrib/configurations/postfix/smtpd.conf?view=markup
[11:51:26] <xpoint> super then you need to do the better smtpd.conf
[11:51:47] <gh0st> hi, how can i trace the problem when i get this at /var/log/maillog stat=Deferred: Connection refused by the.domain.com
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[11:58:04] <gh0st> neone? :D
[11:59:49] <xpoint> hparker, how do i make xpoint@gentoo/developer/xpoint ?
[12:00:12] <hparker> xpoint: Easy, just become a gentoo dev
[12:00:30] <xpoint> and commit more bugs :)
[12:00:39] <andreask2> xpoint: here is the ouptut of saslfinger -s, if it helps: http://pastebin.com/m730cb187
[12:00:54] <hparker> xpoint: uhm, no.... then you're on the other side... Fixing them
[12:02:05] <xpoint> andreask2, try my link to openvisp
[12:02:45] <xpoint> yep yep, i like more to help on both sides
[12:02:50] <xpoint> hparker,
[12:03:29] <andreask2> I added all options, but this did not change anything. Somehow the sql module is not working correctly, no idea why.
[12:04:44] <xpoint> see http://cvs.caudiumforge.net/viewvc/openvisp/admin/contrib/configurations/postfix/smtpd.conf?view=markup andreask2
[12:05:12] <robtone_> nothing against reporting bugs, what does help most is fixing them too :)
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[12:05:25] <xpoint> andreask2, if that still fails ask a ubuntu supporter for cyrus-sasl
[12:06:19] <xpoint> robtone_, i know that
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[12:10:09] <xpoint> http://samfundsbetragtninger.nationenblog.dk/files/2008/09/horsedk.jpg i like this picture :)
[12:10:56] <scott> hmm, what could "dk" be short for
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[12:11:27] <robtone_> denmark
[12:12:53] <andreask2> xpoint: A very strange thing is, that the auth.log error remains, also if I remove the smtpd.conf and restart postfix.
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[14:23:48] <andreask2> how can I find out which configuration is used by smtpd f?r sasl authentification?
[14:25:03] <sysmonk> it defaults to smtpd.conf
[14:25:16] <sysmonk> unless you changed it in your main.cf
[14:25:26] <andreask2> I changed /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf and restarted postfix, but this change had no effect, still an error with sql modul, but I removed all sql commands and used "pwcheck_method: saslauthd"
[14:25:27] <jduggan> find / -name smtpd.conf
[14:25:34] <jduggan> usually /usr/lib/sasl2 on debian based systems
[14:25:56] <jduggan> hrm
[14:26:10] <jduggan> not sure that's true, actually ;o
[14:26:14] <andreask2> saslfinger -s only looks for /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf, that's the one I used (ubuntu)
[14:26:17] * jduggan shrugs
[14:26:35] <andreask2> or must I restart something else?
[14:27:06] <andreask2> or could the auth.log error come from something else? But it says postfix/smtpd...
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[14:35:38] <Vladimir[LV]> I have the same problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=922631 ! please help me!
[14:38:07] <sysmonk> guys, (just an IMHO), ubuntu is NOT for servers ;(
[14:38:14] * sysmonk goes out for a smoke
[14:40:43] <Vladimir[LV]> sysmonk its for super-servers ;D
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[14:43:02] <afeijo> hi folks
[14:43:51] <afeijo> I'm trying to access my mail account with IMAP, but it tell me this error: chdir maildir failed
[14:44:45] <sysmonk> Vladimir[LV]: for super servers (runing on home hardware with dialup access once per month)
[14:44:48] <sysmonk> ;))
[14:44:59] <sysmonk> afeijo: not a postfix problem, postfix is NOT an imap server
[14:45:07] <afeijo> ops
[14:45:12] * cpm uses the sysmonk imap sever
[14:45:14] <cpm> server even
[14:45:17] <afeijo> someone on #ubuntu told me different
[14:45:41] <sysmonk> oh noes
[14:45:45] <sysmonk> another ubuntu server guy
[14:45:45] <sysmonk> ;/
[14:45:57] <afeijo> you dont like ubuntu??
[14:46:18] <sysmonk> oh no, sure, ubuntu is dah best for serverz
[14:46:44] <afeijo> so... :)
[14:47:19] <sysmonk> i wonder if irssi can ignore people by channel name they are on
[14:47:22] <sysmonk> like #ubuntu
[14:47:22] <sysmonk> ;))
[14:47:34] <afeijo> i'm not there :pppppp
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[14:54:49] <afeijo> do I need courier if I use postfix?
[14:56:02] <xpoint> 42
[14:56:08] <afeijo> lol
[14:56:22] <f3ew> Depends
[14:57:13] <afeijo> to use in my intranet, should I pick on Postfix Configuration: only local ?
[14:57:33] <xpoint> Depends
[14:57:50] <afeijo> everything on life depends
[14:57:56] <xpoint> yes
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[15:05:10] <adnc> when a mail gets in and it is piped to an external application like spamassassin and back to postfix the mail gets a new id, is it possible to have the same id again?
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[15:16:52] <adnc> not possible?
[15:18:07] <Tykling> no adnc I wouldn't think so since to postfix it is a completely new smtp transaction
[15:18:53] <Tykling> would also make it hard do distinguish log entries on a busy server to see which is pre-scan and which are post-scan
[15:19:01] <Tykling> s/do/to/
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[15:20:37] <adnc> Tykling: i see. i thought it would be easier to see that this is the same mail
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[15:20:54] <adnc> just going through an external application
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[15:21:51] <Tykling> I understand but since the receiving mta shows you the new smtp id you can still see that it is the same mail
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[15:22:23] <adnc> Tykling: applications like pflogsumm, what do they look for?
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[15:22:36] <adnc> when they count for there statistics
[15:23:37] <Tykling> don't know, go ask the script developers :) they just look for patterns and summarize it for you, like how many NOQUEUE there are and so on
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[15:23:43] <Tykling> I haven't used pflogsumm myself
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[15:38:16] <OneFix_Work> So, SPF only requires a DNS change (nothing on the server) and DomainKeys requires a plugin like dkfilter to work?
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[15:59:25] <adnc> can someone help me interprete these headers? do i see it right that x-dkim header is added twice and as such the mail went two times through the dkim-filter? http://postfix.pastebin.com/d4e03ccf4
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[15:59:31] <Haris> Hello people
[15:59:44] <Haris> can we clean up email for some domains that we are only acting as front MX for?
[15:59:49] <Haris> via postfix+clamav?
[16:00:29] <Haris> there are 2 MX. our box is on the front, on the internet, but doesn't house the email accounts, just cleans them up
[16:11:38] <Dominian> huh?
[16:16:19] <OneFix_Work> So, here's a question.  If we have a DomainKeys record & key and a server in our domain without the key sends a message to Yahoo, will Yahoo deny the message?
[16:16:44] <adnc> no
[16:17:07] <OneFix_Work> So, is the DomainKey only for servers outside of our domain?
[16:17:13] <adnc> this is not the only criteria yahoo uses
[16:17:18] <adnc> no
[16:17:38] <adnc> it makes sure that the sender is authorized to send with this domain
[16:17:49] <adnc> and signs it
[16:18:55] <OneFix_Work> I know that, but the thing is will adding the DomainKey negatively impact a server that doesn't have it installed?
[16:19:08] <adnc> no
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[16:21:53] <Haris> Dominian: What?
[16:22:09] <Haris> Dominian: its a standard backup/extra MX scenario
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[16:37:00] <roe_> Haris, I believe what you are describing is exactly what we are doing, our email gateway is the gateway for about a dozen different domains, each email gets scanned then passed along to the final destination, where ever that may be.
[16:37:10] <brd> hm
[16:37:11] <OneFix_Work> So, what yahoo does is kind of like what SpamAssassin does, and it just assigns a negative value to a domain key
[16:37:13] <brd> !backupmx
[16:37:13] <knoba> brd: Error: "backupmx" is not a valid command.
[16:37:17] <brd> !secondarymx
[16:37:18] <knoba> brd: Error: "secondarymx" is not a valid command.
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[16:38:44] <brd> knoba: learn backupmx as http://www.linxnet.com/misc/spam/backup_mx.txt
[16:38:54] <Haris> I know what secondayr MXs are
[16:39:01] <Haris> the Q is, if I could do it with postfix
[16:39:02] <brd> apparently not ;)
[16:39:09] <Haris> postfix+any filtering app
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[17:16:11] <lunaphyte_> graham crackers taste good, but they're sooo dry.
[17:18:51] <vice-versa> moo
[17:19:34] <lunaphyte_> yeah, i had to get some.
[17:21:29] <lunaphyte_> since adult humans drink the liquid that feeds baby cows, do you think that some other adult species would benefit from drinking the liquid that feeds baby humans?
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[17:45:26] <cpm> lunaphyte_, probably
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[18:00:24] <zzzzzz> hi, does anyone use whitelister package here?
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[18:13:08] <zzzzzz> hi all
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[18:25:44] <seekwill> I whitelist everyone on zen.spamhaus.org
[18:26:27] <seekwill> On a more serious note... I have a text file that I need to send to a remote MTA. How do you guys send that over?
[18:27:14] <Dominian> I sync with a script
[18:27:23] <Dominian> that updates the transport map for the domain
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[18:28:45] <mofino> Is it possible to silent discard message for a particular rcpt?
[18:28:51] <mofino> silently
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[18:30:55] <jelly> mofino: like, accept and save to /dev/null?
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[18:31:00] <mofino> yeah
[18:31:05] <mofino> DISCARD looks promising
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[18:35:52] <mofino> man, using multiple transports for a single domain is painful
[18:36:33] <mofino> if I specify a transport_maps list, does every rcpt on the server need to be listed?
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[18:43:13] <mofino> guess not...
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[18:57:59] <MoRbItS_> buenas
[19:00:09] <MoRbItS_> HOLA
[19:00:26] <sysmonk> another ubuntu user?
[19:00:54] <MoRbItS_> ubuntu desktop
[19:01:01] <sysmonk> oh my
[19:01:20] <MoRbItS_> and server, maybe
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[19:02:38] <MoRbItS_> how are you?
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[19:17:42] <severus> Hi there, I have a new server, this time I decided to move from Slack/Qmail to Debian/Postfix (long story...)
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[19:18:11] <severus> After somewhat of a struggle (still getting used to the new MTA and all) I managed to configure postfix + clamsmtpd.
[19:18:25] <severus> New emails come and it seems to work fine.
[19:18:57] <severus> However - some old emails that were stuck in the queue - Won't go, running sendmail -q doesn't help much and I get the following errors:
[19:19:29] <Dominian> postsuper -r ALL ?
[19:19:43] <Dominian> and why'd you switch from slackware!? :)
[19:19:48] <Dominian> that's what I use.. works fine ;)
[19:19:59] <severus> I love slack.
[19:20:05] <severus> But I host this server at a friend's rack.
[19:20:16] <severus> Basically - he forced my hand into debian, telling me I am wasting my time :)
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[19:20:37] <severus> But the truth is - I still feel more at home with slack, I don't like leaving everything to the machine (apt and friends...)
[19:20:53] <severus> First - I get this annoying warning:
[19:20:55] <severus> warning: connect to transport 127.0.0.1: No such file or directory
[19:20:55] <mofino> and your problem is?
[19:21:12] <severus> And then: status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) on each of the emails in the queue
[19:21:18] <severus> New mail is being processed without any problem.
[19:21:24] <mofino> are those users using a different transport?
[19:21:28] <severus> So I don't understand what's wrong.
[19:21:44] <mofino> does everyone use the same transport?
[19:21:57] <severus> I am not sure, how can I check it?
[19:22:04] <severus> (Still getting used to postfix... Sorry...)
[19:22:10] <mofino> main.cf
[19:22:12] <mofino> master.cfg
[19:22:16] <mofino> look for transport_maps
[19:22:21] <severus> The word "transport" does not even appear there.
[19:22:27] <mofino> where is there?
[19:22:33] <mofino> in those config files?
[19:22:56] <googlah> you have to manually put transport in there..
[19:22:59] <mofino> clearly at some stage you are asking postfix to use a transport that is 127.0.0.1
[19:23:42] <severus> Well, I did add a content scanner
[19:23:52] <mofino> ok
[19:23:56] <mofino> and does that sit on 127.0.0.1?
[19:23:59] <severus> And the required configuration on master.cf to listen to the port.
[19:24:05] <mofino> excellent
[19:24:07] <mofino> there is your problem
[19:24:09] <severus> Yes, but 127.0.0.1:PORT and not just 127.0.0.1
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[19:25:16] <severus> Umm.. where is my problem...? I don't see it :)
[19:25:27] <mofino> in and around there
[19:25:44] <mofino> obviously i can't SEE what your doing
[19:25:46] <severus> Ok. But as I said - new emails are being processed okay.
[19:25:51] <mofino> ok?
[19:26:04] <severus> Yes, I send email and it arrives all the way to my maildir.
[19:26:34] <severus> Goes to port 25, from there to clamsmtpd in port 10025, from there back to postfix in 10026 and to my maildir.
[19:26:45] <mofino> so why aren't those few working?
[19:27:03] <severus> They are all originated from within the box.
[19:27:04] <mofino> are they consistently failing?
[19:27:06] <severus> Trying to go outside.
[19:27:19] <mofino> ok, so in-> out doesn't work?
[19:27:38] <severus> I guess so, I am almost certain that I did see some emails go outside though.
[19:27:46] <mofino> well check again
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[19:27:56] <severus> Only old emails that were sent before I fixed the configuration problem are stuck.
[19:27:59] <severus> Let me check again, seccy.
[19:28:05] <mofino> well
[19:28:13] <mofino> maybe those emails are in a dumb state
[19:28:18] <mofino> try re-queuing them
[19:28:23] <mofino> queueing
[19:28:42] <severus> Yup, new emails are going out without a problem, old emails are still stuck.
[19:28:46] <severus> How can I re-queue them?
[19:28:57] <mofino> man postsuper
[19:29:35] <severus> Thanks
[19:29:57] <severus> Works like a charm.
[19:30:00] <mofino> good stuff
[19:30:09] <mofino> i guess postfix saves state ...
[19:30:30] <severus> Thanks again, and actually - it was the solution suggested by Dominian in the first place :) I should have listened to a fell slackker ;)
[19:30:37] <mofino> heh
[19:30:48] <severus> fell=fellow
[19:30:50] <severus> ;)
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[19:31:51] <severus> Now all I am left with is configuring dspam, which looks a real pain... :|
[19:32:14] <mofino> dspam any good?
[19:32:31] <seekwill> I use both dspam and clamav
[19:32:45] <seekwill> Well... I use Zimbra, which uses clamav and dspam :)
[19:33:09] <mofino> but is it any good?
[19:33:24] <severus> The same friend who forced me to move from slack/qmail to debian/postfix says that SA is "a piece of crap" and dspam kicks his ass.
[19:33:30] <sysmonk> me uze sExchange
[19:33:42] <sysmonk> me sexcCHAnge be good
[19:33:44] <severus> without the his ass, just ass
[19:33:45] <severus> oops ;)
[19:33:57] <severus> This is going to bash.org I guess ;) never got quoted before...
[19:34:01] <mofino> severus, so it's a baseless claim then
[19:34:24] <severus> Well, he said that dspam is faster and more accurate.
[19:34:36] <mofino> i imagine it's faster
[19:34:44] <mofino> more accurate ..... not so sure
[19:35:01] <seekwill> oh yeah, zimbra has spamassassin too
[19:35:02] <severus> But it needs to be taught, on a PER USER basis for maximum efficiency.
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[19:35:17] <mofino> severus, sounds like a pain
[19:35:23] <mofino> it has no auto-learn?
[19:35:36] <seekwill> How would it autolearn?
[19:35:40] <severus> It has auto-learn, but you first need to teach it with 100-3000 spams and hams...
[19:35:43] <mofino> via rules + RBLs
[19:35:49] <mofino> lame
[19:35:56] <mofino> so it's a bayes DB?
[19:35:58] <seekwill> RBLs should be done before it hits your AS/AV
[19:36:04] <mofino> WEAK
[19:36:08] <seekwill> That is not weak
[19:36:17] <mofino> rbls can be done in front yes
[19:36:22] <severus> Well, I can't defend dspam as I have never used it before.
[19:36:23] <seekwill> SHOULD be done in front
[19:36:26] <mofino> but there are extended lists in SA
[19:36:38] <mofino> like content RBLs
[19:36:44] <seekwill> ah ok
[19:36:47] <mofino> heh
[19:37:29] <severus> All I know is that for the next few days, I am about to get TONS of spam... I used to have qconfirm as my "front shield" before, blocking approx 1000 spam emails per day.
[19:37:30] <seekwill> That's already integrated, afaik
[19:37:45] <seekwill> 1000/day? That's it? :)
[19:38:10] <severus> Seriously, thousand(s) per day, VERY annoying to have your firstname at lastname dot com flooded with spam.
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[19:38:48] <mofino> spam rule #1: don't give out your email address to non-humans
[19:38:49] <severus> qconfirm blocked most of the spam and most of the idiots who can't handle confirmation systems :)
[19:39:26] <severus> life rule #1: other humans might get their lame windows boxes harvested for addresses.
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[19:39:56] <mofino> heh this is true
[19:40:38] <severus> Is there an equivalent to qmail-inject in postfix?
[19:40:46] <mofino> sendmail i thinki
[19:41:12] <severus> I can't just pipe mail to sendmail afaik...
[19:41:19] <mofino> postdrop maybe
[19:41:22] <mofino> never used it
[19:41:48] <severus> Ok, I'll check it out, or re-write my mail scripts to use sendmail instead.
[19:42:10] <mofino> yeah, just specify the details on the command line
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[19:55:35] <severus> Thanks guys, gotta go.
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[20:02:42] <gstaniak> hi
[20:02:56] <gstaniak> is postfix log format documented anywhere?
[20:04:29] <cpm> ?
[20:05:14] <gstaniak> cpm, like what exactly are the numbers in the "delays" field etc?
[20:05:21] <cpm> I've seen it somewhere
[20:05:25] <cpm> this makes me nuts.
[20:05:32] <cpm> gstaniak, those are seconds
[20:05:55] <cpm> and somewhere, I've seen documentation on postfix logging
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[20:07:33] <gstaniak> cpm, yes, i see they are seconds by the way they sum up, what i need is the url to the place where you saw the documentation ;) no luck googling fot it so far
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[20:14:06] <sysmonk> !delays
[20:14:06] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "delays" is not a valid command.
[20:14:28] <sysmonk> !maincf delay_logging_resolution_limit
[20:14:31] <sysmonk> gstaniak: ^^
[20:15:31] <sysmonk> !learn delays as  The format of the "delays=a/b/c/d" logging is as follows: a = time from message arrival to last active queue entry; b = time from last active queue entry to connection setup; #  c = time in connection setup, including DNS, EHLO and TLS; d = time in message transmission
[20:15:36] <sysmonk> !delays
[20:15:38] <knoba> sysmonk: "delays" : The format of the delays=a/b/c/d logging is as follows: a = time from message arrival to last active queue entry; b = time from last active queue entry to connection setup; # c = time in connection setup, including DNS, EHLO and TLS; d = time in message transmission
[20:15:52] <gstaniak> knoba is a quick learner
[20:15:56] <gstaniak> thanks, sysmonk
[20:16:12] * sysmonk forwards the thanks to cpm
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[20:17:20] <gstaniak> sysmonk, i'm trying to write a log file analyzer and while each piece of information explained as the above is a gain, the general ad-hocness of the log formatting is a pain
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[20:17:46] <sysmonk> gstaniak: have you bumped over pflogsumm ?
[20:19:35] <gstaniak> sysmonk, at the moment i'm looking at the postfix module of logrep
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[20:26:56] <neuwald> hi all. I have two postfix servers on the same LAN. I can send email from server A to server B, and from server B to server A. But, when I send an attachment from server A to server B, I got the message delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with xxx[xxx] while sending message body
[20:27:12] <neuwald> anybody knows why?
[20:28:44] <Dominian> how bit of an attachment
[20:30:59] <sysmonk> neuwald: how about sending an bigger email
[20:31:07] <sysmonk> like copying over the loren ipsum test and sending it over?
[20:31:19] <sysmonk> imho _might_ be a MTU problem
[20:31:33] <CartoonCat> I am trying to debug my postfix on gentoo and can not locate a mail.log file (or any variation of). I have set debug_peer_list to include my localhost (where im trying to send mail from). Where would I find the confgiration that specifies the logfile locale?
[20:31:51] <Dominian> ask Gentoo...
[20:31:58] <Dominian> /var/log usually
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[20:32:28] <CartoonCat> ive checked, nothing there. does postfix not have the option to specify where its errors go?
[20:32:37] <sysmonk> CartoonCat: postfix logs to syslog
[20:32:39] <Dominian> it uses syslog
[20:32:44] <sysmonk> you can set the facility and stuff in main.cf
[20:32:58] <sysmonk> syslog_facility syslog_name
[20:32:59] <fbc> How do I make postfix accept my mail through another port?? I'm port 25 blocked at home and would like to send mail through my server.
[20:33:05] <sysmonk> and where THOSE log to - depends on your syslog configuration
[20:33:15] <CartoonCat> oooh. mmm, ok then i might have shunted it off to timbuktu myself. TY syllogism, Dominian
[20:33:17] <sysmonk> fbc: look at master.cf
[20:33:33] <sysmonk> fbc: you will see examples for submission and smtps
[20:33:41] <fbc> sysmonk, I did.. and I can't make heads or tales about anything in it.
[20:33:52] <fbc> ok
[20:33:55] <sysmonk> fbc: then that's another problem :)
[20:33:56] <fbc> let me look around
[20:34:20] <fbc> sysmonk, #submission inet n       -       -       -       -       smtpd ??
[20:34:43] <sysmonk> oh my
[20:34:46] <sysmonk> yes, that one
[20:34:56] <sysmonk> but please 1. don't paste here 2. if you don't understand it, don't touch it
[20:35:02] <sysmonk> if you HAVE to touch it - ask your sysadmin
[20:35:10] <sysmonk> if you're a sysadmin - then read the documentation
[20:35:25] <lunaphyte_> i have peons to do that for me.
[20:35:30] <sysmonk> if you're not a sysadmin and need it done - hire somebody ;P
[20:35:36] <sysmonk> oh, or bug around in /query lunaphyte_
[20:35:45] <sysmonk> he loves helping ubuntu-type-of-users
[20:35:46] <Dominian> !submission
[20:35:47] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "submission" is not a valid command.
[20:35:47] <sysmonk> right lunaphyte_ ?:P
[20:35:54] <Dominian> !smtp-auth
[20:35:55] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "smtp-auth" is not a valid command.
[20:35:59] <Dominian> grrrr
[20:36:03] <sysmonk> Dominian: knoba hates you :P
[20:36:08] <lunaphyte_> i'm taking my fish back.
[20:36:10] <Dominian> Someone's screwed with the vars
[20:36:13] <sysmonk> but he/she/it hates me too :(
[20:36:14] <Dominian> no.. submission was there
[20:36:27] <sysmonk> Dominian: f3ew !forgot submission
[20:36:32] <sysmonk> submission was there, but was wrong
[20:36:42] <Dominian> ah
[20:36:44] <sysmonk> knoba just talked about being a master of submission or something like that :P
[20:36:50] <Dominian> he forgotted it and din't put it bak!
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[20:37:00] <Dominian> !auth
[20:37:01] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "auth" is not a valid command.
[20:37:10] <sysmonk> hah
[20:37:11] <Dominian> I know ther ewas one for smtp-auth
[20:37:12] <sysmonk> !sasl
[20:37:12] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[20:37:13] <sysmonk> Dominian: ^^
[20:37:14] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:37:15] <Dominian> that's it
[20:37:16] <Dominian> damn it
[20:37:48] <sysmonk> i wonder if knoba is case sensitive?
[20:37:53] <sysmonk> !Sysmonk
[20:37:54] <knoba> sysmonk: "Sysmonk" : evil
[20:38:02] <sysmonk> oh nope, he isn't case sensitive ;/
[20:38:19] <Dominian> !dominian
[20:38:20] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "dominian" is not a valid command.
[20:38:23] <Dominian> haha
[20:41:37] <fbc> lunaphyte, i added http://pastebin.com/d7cb13150 to the end of my master.cf file. restarted postfix. Then i got a message that the server would not relay mail for address at gmail dot com
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[20:43:27] <sysmonk> fbc: didn't i say /query lunaphyte_ ?
[20:43:27] <sysmonk> ;/
[20:43:33] * sysmonk runs from lunaphyte_
[20:43:33] <sysmonk> ;)))
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[20:56:21] <roe_> I'm not really sure how to ask this question succinctly so beare with me.
[20:58:04] <oblio_> who wants to go on a date w/ me
[20:58:20] <roe_> Each smtp transaction creates an additional "Received:" header.  Within this header there is a time stamp.  Now lets take an simple example.  I send an email from my desktop to my mail server, my mail server sends it to the destination mailserver.  That will create at least 2 header entries, each of them have a time stamp.  My question is what machine is used for the time stamp
[20:58:56] <sysmonk> oblio_: are you a female?
[20:59:02] <sysmonk> oblio_: how big is your sallary?
[20:59:08] <oblio_> how big is my celery?
[20:59:13] <oblio_> isnt that a little upfront?
[20:59:25] <sysmonk> roe_: the one which adds the header
[20:59:45] <roe_> but is that the sending server or receiving server
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[21:00:07] <sysmonk> oblio_: a/s/l ? ( as in age/sallary/location)
[21:00:08] <sysmonk> ;))
[21:00:16] <sysmonk> roe_: the reciving adds the header
[21:00:16] <roe_> I guess the wording received: from <foo> by <bar> means that bar added the header?
[21:00:26] <sysmonk> yes
[21:00:53] <roe_> ok thanks
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[21:48:44] <brd> hmm, is it possible to have a backup transport for a transport?
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[21:55:51] <adnc> hello, i've two X-DKIM header entries in mails i do receive with two different id's. does this mean this mail is checked twice by dkim-filter and is this necessary?
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[22:11:59] <scott> how I make postfix send a different return-path header? it's currently sending myusername@myhost which is causing some of my emails to bounce
[22:12:28] <scott> ie. my username @ my local host name
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[22:21:35] <brd> scott: http://www.postfix.org/canonical.5.html
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[22:25:08] <stpierre> is it possible to have postfix behave differently if a message is sent to a domain with no MX record, vs. a domain with some other problem (e.g., mail server down)?  I'd like for a message sent to 'hotmail.com' be queued and retried if hotmail is down, but a message sent to 'htomail.com' bounce immediately. possible?
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[22:29:38] <scott> brd: thanks. i'll have a go at that
[22:30:01] <netcrash> Helo, inside my network I'm having trouble with message_size_limit , I set it to 20MB but the server always rejects messages with that size , file has 19MB ... any tips ?
[22:30:43] <stpierre> 19 Mb before or after MIME encoding?
[22:31:16] <stpierre> keep in mind that MIME encoding usually adds ~33% to the size of an attachment
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[22:56:17] <scott> brd: I tried what you said but it's not making any difference
[22:57:23] <brd> scott: did you specify your username and the right email address in canonical and add a canonical_maps param to main.cf and postmap the canonical file?
[22:57:54] <scott> I did 2 out of 3 of those things
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[22:59:37] <brd> scott: aha :)
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[23:00:23] <scott> brilliant, it works
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[23:13:57] <netcrash> stpierre: before
[23:14:34] <stpierre> netcrash: that'd be your problem, then.  once that 19 Mb message gets MIME encoded, it's probably closer to 25 Mb.
[23:14:39] <netcrash> stpierre: the limit is set on the machine to 25360000
[23:14:45] <netcrash> lol
[23:14:50] <netcrash> will try to increase it
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[23:19:13] <netcrash> stpierre: solved , thanks
[23:19:17] <stpierre> np
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[23:23:31] <netcrash> 6MB just for mime :S
[23:29:48] <adnc> hello, i've two X-DKIM header entries in mails i do receive with two different id's. does this mean this mail is checked twice by dkim-filter and is this necessary?
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