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[00:02:11] <brd> HenZo: an entry for a domain shouldn't override blah.my.domain
[00:02:13] <brd> doh
[00:12:04] <googlah> omry: that is kind of wierd. are you trying to receive a mail, and then forward it to a user? I just have lots of aliases to my user... www-data, root, nobody, all goes to my account.
[00:12:08] <googlah> (googlah)
[00:12:54] <omry> googlah, I am testing by sending a local email to root (echo "test" | mail root)
[00:13:07] <omry> I expect it to be forwarded to the email I specified in aliases
[00:13:18] <omry> instead I get the bounce loop error
[00:13:28] <omry> if I email the address directly it works fine
[00:13:43] <googlah> the bounce error is in mail.log or?
[00:14:02] <omry> syslog
[00:14:21] <googlah> Ah. Just did a echo "test" | mail root, myself. and got it to my user account. :-)
[00:14:40] <googlah> with help of aliases.. so.
[00:14:53] <omry> well
[00:14:59] <omry> something is wrong. I know this much
[00:15:10] <omry> .forward should have worked just as well
[00:15:35] <googlah> yea. have you tried google on the error line?
[00:15:42] <omry> I think postfix is confused by the dns configuration
[00:16:02] <omry> found a few suggestions, none seemed relevant
[00:16:14] <googlah> maybe. myhostname = should be very correct, I believe.
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[00:16:32] <omry> ?
[00:17:11] <googlah> I mean, if you specify myhostname = to a bad value, it might not get forwarded as well..
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[00:18:48] <omry> googlah, fixed myhostname (was localhost), restarted postfix, tried again. same error.
[00:20:03] <googlah> I see. well, can't think of any solution though :-(
[00:20:30] <googlah> there shouldn't be much configuration for this to work. what os are you running?
[00:21:31] <omry> debian etch
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[00:22:34] <omry> anyway, going to sleep. thanks for trying
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[00:23:07] <googlah> good luck.. me doing the same. ciao
[00:23:24] <omry> bye
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[00:25:20] <loompek> i'm looking for the simplest way to do conditional address rewriting... possibly directly in postfix (without any policy daemons etc..)... in case the recipient is @arecipient.com change the sender from @origsender.com to @truesender.org and the recipient to @brecipient.com and transport it via smtp to a remote relay
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[00:49:08] <__jeff_o> is there a way to set up postfix to relay incoming email to another postfix server?
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[00:50:05] <ndonegan> __jeff_o: set the other server up as the smart host?
[00:52:25] <ndonegan> __jeff_o: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html#relayhost
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[00:54:34] <__jeff_o> ndonegan: is relayhost for outgoing mail only?
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[00:57:57] <__jeff_o> ndonegan: maybe I need to use a transport file...
[00:59:02] <loompek> __jeff_o it depends what you need
[00:59:36] <loompek> for a 'per recipient' relaying you should use transport
[00:59:52] <loompek> for a global relay use the relayhost variable
[01:00:15] <loompek> and by 'per recipient' i mean 'per recipient domain' also
[01:00:37] <__jeff_o> well, I would like server1 to be able to send outgoing mail to the internet. but when mail is sent to server1 I'd like it to relay it to server2
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[01:01:22] <__jeff_o> so, per recipient domain would actually work for me... I just need to find the correct option so outgoing mail isn't relayed
[01:01:42] <__jeff_o> if any of that makes sense :)
[01:04:31] <loompek> umm
[01:04:38] <loompek> if i understand correctly..
[01:05:22] <loompek> all the locally generated mail (via sendmail command or whatever) should be sent directly to the recipient's mx
[01:05:34] <loompek> but all the 'incoming' mail should be relayed
[01:13:16] <__jeff_o> loompek: yes, I think that's right (I'm a bit new to mail servers). I think my solution is this (and it seems like it worked) in the transports file:  server1.com smtp:[server2.com]
[01:14:25] <__jeff_o> I'm testing outgoing mail now....
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[01:15:27] <loompek> umm
[01:15:57] <loompek> entry like that in your transport file means that all mail, that should go to server1.com should be forwarded to server2.com
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[01:18:10] <__jeff_o> loompek: yeah, that's what it's doing... shoot...
[01:18:38] <__jeff_o> loompek: is there a way to specify incoming only?
[01:20:36] <loompek> not that i would know of...
[01:20:49] <loompek> none ..
[01:20:57] <__jeff_o> loompek: uhoh :(
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[01:21:13] <loompek> i'm looking for even a more complex solution...
[01:21:26] <loompek> i'm looking for the simplest way to do conditional address rewriting... possibly directly in postfix (without any policy daemons etc..)... in case the recipient is @arecipient.com change the sender from @origsender.com to @truesender.org and the recipient to @brecipient.com and transport it via smtp to a remote relay
[01:25:47] <__jeff_o> that sounds intense
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[01:37:53] <__jeff_o> this seems to work
[01:37:55] <__jeff_o> in main.cf
[01:38:09] <__jeff_o> local_transport = server2.com
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[01:47:03] <__jeff_o> maybe not argh
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[02:05:32] <feta> i am having a problem with postfix sending mail to anything is /etc/aliases, this better explains it: http://pastebin.com/m3c4cbeb8
[02:06:42] <aszlig> hullo, i'm probably wrong in this channel, but are there any _good_ solutions to differentiate soft bounces and hard bounces when using VERP?
[02:07:47] <aszlig> or do i need to write regular expressions for every damn mta/isp who is doing "weird" bounce messages?
[02:09:10] <aszlig> for example i don't want to remove recipients which are bouncing back with "mailbox full" or anything similar
[02:10:49] <xpoint> 42
[02:10:55] <aszlig> feta: yah, you are sending this locally
[02:11:14] <aszlig> feta: and without a domain part
[02:11:26] <aszlig> so what do you want to achieve?
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[02:12:20] <feta> i want to verify postfix will send to an alias, and that alias forwards to my smpt/exchange server
[02:12:36] <feta> or points to an address and sends to that address
[02:12:52] <xpoint> aszlig, mailbox full should really be fixed with a tempfail on remote, not with a hard reject, otherwize recipients will get to much bounces to the sender
[02:12:57] <aszlig> ah, that relayhost you supplied?
[02:13:02] <feta> yes
[02:13:33] <roxydog> is there a way to allow accounts to be defined on the fly as long as they match a regex?
[02:13:37] <feta> if i specify an address on that relay host, when sending a mail through telnet, it sends just fine
[02:14:05] <feta> i need it to send to the address specified in /etc/alias
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[02:14:24] <xpoint> felet, try postmap -q foo-something-on-exchange hash:/etc/postfix/relay_recipient_maps
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[02:15:04] <aszlig> feta: okay, to summarize: you just want a relay that forwards _all_ mail to the relay host?
[02:15:18] <aszlig> s/relay h/satellite h/
[02:15:24] <aszlig> ah, darn...
[02:15:28] <aszlig> vice versa :-D
[02:15:39] <xpoint> feta, alias is local unix users, dont use this for exchange users
[02:16:00] <aszlig> xpoint: okay, true so far, but i can't stop other MTAs from messing around with bounces :-/
[02:16:00] <feta> To better explain...   i'm using Rancid.  Rancid sends information about our routers to address specified in /etc/aliases, postfix should send those through the exchange/smtp sever (relay)
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[02:17:31] <xpoint> aszlig, i had once 90% rejections to 1 newer existing user here, sender was <>
[02:17:32] <feta> http://openmaniak.com/rancid_tutorial.php  this has been the only tutorial i could find.  the rancid portion works.  It just won't send through postfix to what's defined in the /etc/alias
[02:17:39] <aszlig> okay, there is still the possibility left to shoot the other postmaster and fixing his mta and/or configuration ;-)
[02:18:11] <roxydog> is there an easy way to set up accounts in postfix programmatically?
[02:18:38] <xpoint> aszlig, what i did was to use fail2ban to blacklist this ips for 6 mounts :)
[02:19:06] <xpoint> thay learn fast then !
[02:20:02] <aszlig> eesh, unfortunately this is not an option as this could probably also bring up legal side effects :-/
[02:20:25] <xpoint> aszlig, he whitelist the problem in fail2ban then
[02:21:07] <xpoint> point is minimize problem in the regexp
[02:21:19] <aszlig> mhm
[02:21:44] <xpoint> to=foo@mydomain from=<>
[02:22:00] <xpoint> blacklist ips from this regexp
[02:22:18] <xpoint> foo@mydomain have newer existted
[02:23:07] <xpoint> but newer use it if foo@mydomain have being in a real users
[02:23:09] <aszlig> you mean bounces without a proper fqdn?
[02:23:19] <xpoint> no
[02:23:32] <xpoint> mydomain is fqdn
[02:23:43] <aszlig> ah, sorry, mixed up from=<> with return-path ;-)
[02:24:09] <xpoint> dont make that error
[02:24:30] <__jeff_o> OK, I've figured out what I actually need to do... Maybe someone can help. My website is running on server1 with postfix so  that when a contact form is filled out, it'll be sent. However the mail server is located on server2. So when somebody fills out the contact form it's sent at foo at server1 dot com locally. postfix never checks the mx server for this domain (which is server2) and the mail is never recieved
[02:25:02] <aszlig> feta: ah, sorry, didn't have a detailed look at it, but if you specify the domain part you said it worked? if yes, then rancid should work fine(?) maybe try to specify the exchange server directly as the relay host
[02:26:26] <aszlig> __jeff_o: ah, you mean you have that domain in $mydestination in server1?
[02:27:06] <__jeff_o> aszlig: yeah
[02:27:15] <aszlig> xpoint: nah, i just mixed it up in what you've said, just an I/O-error of myself
[02:27:22] <__jeff_o> aszlig: should i set server1's mydest to server2?
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[02:28:26] <__jeff_o> aszlig: or remove server1 from it...
[02:28:33] <aszlig> hm, just don't set the $mydestination to that domain and it should work, or do you want to recieve mails with server1?
[02:31:03] <aszlig> xpoint: okay, the thingy implemented in mailman seems to be fine so far, but it implements way too much just for VERP, is there any other solution?
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[02:31:18] <aszlig> preferrably not perl based ;-)
[02:32:00] <cafuego> ]i'm sure there is somehting in ruby, if you prefer using ram more than perl ;-)
[02:32:56] <aszlig> hm...
[02:32:57] <xpoint> aszlig, mailman have its own spam handling, so not sure if postfix can help minimize it
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[02:33:08] <aszlig> anyway, okay, perl should be fine, then i'll re-implement it then
[02:34:13] <aszlig> one big great killall-regular expression with many lookahead/lookabehind assertions and other stuff would be enough :-D
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[02:35:17] <aszlig> if there are no such implementations out there, maybe i should do my own :-D
[02:35:46] <xpoint> aszlig, home made is good :)
[02:36:05] <aszlig> okay, even if there are two regexp: one for the headers, one for the body would be okay, too :-D
[02:36:19] <xpoint> here i have 100k python code that runs a full flowted bbs with fidonet
[02:37:09] <xpoint> aszlig, that is content filtering
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[02:37:35] <xpoint> better make a good policy server
[02:37:41] <aszlig> mh...
[02:37:47] <aszlig> okay, then i'll do it on my own
[02:38:24] <lunaphyte> wow, wietse speaks up.
[02:38:33] <aszlig> but thanks anyway for your suggestions =)
[02:38:56] <aszlig> xpoint: so fidonet seems to be still alive, maybe i should have a look at it =)
[02:40:38] <xpoint> aszlig, yes, i belive you want my code and host later
[02:41:16] <xpoint> when i am ready you will see more on nodelist.info :)))
[02:41:18] <aszlig> xpoint: hehe, i probably would reimplement it in erlang :-D
[02:42:21] <aszlig> xpoint: hehe, and if i should have the time to finish that project, take a look at regexmail.net ;-)
[02:42:42] <xpoint> aszlig, python ?
[02:42:57] <aszlig> that's a great thing tease web/post-masters to get their implementations rfc821/822-compliant
[02:43:36] <aszlig> xpoint: yah, i'm using python, too but not for high-traffic/high-performance server implementations
[02:44:58] <xpoint> what is the problem ?
[02:45:13] <aszlig> ah, there is no problem for a fidonet point
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[02:46:06] <aszlig> and maybe you just got an I/O error missing the ":-D"
[02:46:22] <xpoint> i have cherrypy and sqlalchemy and sql backend thats all here, current code is less then 100k
[02:46:39] <xpoint> in python
[02:46:55] <aszlig> yah, sqlalchemy is a great nice thing :-)
[02:47:28] <aszlig> can't wait until the sqlalchemy branch is merged to the django trunk
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[02:47:46] <xpoint> using gentoo so no problem :)
[02:48:44] <xpoint> aszlig, we are offtopic btw :)
[02:49:06] <aszlig> right =)
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[03:09:21] <phantomcircuit> Sep 23 01:08:10 mail postfix/smtpd[71124]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[03:09:23] <phantomcircuit> help?
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[03:13:59] <feta> ?aszlig: sorry for the late response.  My problem is postfix won't use the alias file at all.  It takes the name variable from Rancid and just appends the domain name to it.   Example.  If I have an /etc/alias entry that states "rancid-test: chris at yahoo dot com", and the rancid application tells postfix to send a mail to "rancid-test", instead of sending to "chris at yahoo dot com"  it's sending to "rancid at mydomain dot com"
[03:14:10] <feta> it is like it ignores the alias file altogether
[03:14:59] <feta> err.. that last line should've been rancid-test at yahoo dot com
[03:19:08] <feta> oh he left
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[03:26:32] <SexyKen> Anyone know much about domainkeys?  Do I have to patch my mail server or do I just edit a DNS record?
[03:28:44] <seekwill> Both
[03:29:11] <seekwill> Well, that's if you want to sign (and have it validated) DK
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[04:15:06] <amason_> hi guys, is it possible to requeue messages from the hold queue with a new message ID ?
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[07:10:33] <Motoko-chan> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/479
[07:10:41] <Motoko-chan> The channel might appreciate the article.
[07:11:03] * f3ew gets the link for the umpteenth time
[07:11:50] <Motoko-chan> heh
[07:12:21] <seekwill> Oh man, I thought he'd be older
[07:13:24] <Motoko-chan> That's not his picture, it's the author of the article.
[07:13:35] <seekwill> oh
[07:14:27] <Motoko-chan> Mr Venema isn't white, anyway.
[07:14:37] <Motoko-chan> He's Indian, iirc.
[07:14:47] <f3ew> Dutch
[07:15:09] <f3ew> amason_ postsuper -h ALL
[07:15:13] <f3ew> postsuper -r ALL
[07:27:26] <amason_> f3ew: and they get a new message id in the header ?
[07:28:58] <f3ew> yes
[07:30:34] <amason_> oh ok cool
[07:32:13] <phantomcircuit> Sep 23 01:08:10 mail postfix/smtpd[71124]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[07:32:16] <phantomcircuit> what is that about?
[07:33:34] <Dominian> !sasl
[07:33:35] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[07:35:05] <amason_> f3ew: you sure it will regenerate the message id and not the queue id ?
[07:35:34] <f3ew> that regenerates the queue id
[07:35:40] <f3ew> why would yuo want a new message id?
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[08:18:31] <k-man_> is there an easy way to make an all@hostname alias that will email all the local users?
[08:18:51] <k-man_> and if i add new users they will automatically be added to the all alias?
[08:19:13] <sysmonk> not really, unless you have those in sql/ldap
[08:19:26] <k-man_> sysmonk: no, just standard unix users
[08:19:26] <sysmonk> or you want to make a custom script which 'generates' the 'all' alias
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[08:19:46] <sysmonk> then script is what i'd do
[08:19:49] <k-man_> sysmonk: yeah, thats not a bad idea
[08:20:04] <k-man_> cos in fact there are some users i'd like to leave off the list anyway
[08:20:16] <sysmonk> yeah, like boss@
[08:20:16] <sysmonk> ;))
[08:20:32] <k-man_> sysmonk: would you just grab the list from /etc/passwd and grep it out of that?
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[08:26:26] <sysmonk> depends
[08:26:44] <sysmonk> i don't think you need games@
[08:26:48] <sysmonk> or www@
[08:26:50] <sysmonk> or whatever
[08:26:52] <k-man_> yeah...
[08:27:17] <k-man_> well, i think i'll start with passwd, and remove all that are not in /home
[08:27:26] <k-man_> and also make a hand made list of accounts to ignore
[08:27:34] <k-man_> and get the difference of the two lists
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[08:36:09] <doesnotexist> lo..
[08:36:31] <doesnotexist> status=deferred (mail transport unavailable) <-- keep on getting this error at the log
[08:36:54] <doesnotexist> postfix/qmgr[7924]: warning: connect to transport scan: No such file or directory
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[08:38:16] <sysmonk> doesnotexist: isn't the error informative enough? no such transport.
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[08:38:46] <sysmonk> ah, wait, connect to transport scan: - then look at your scan transport and see where it connects to
[08:38:46] <doesnotexist> postfix is up tho, i can't figure out what's wrong :(
[08:38:56] <sysmonk> your 'scan' transport is down
[08:39:09] <doesnotexist> where can i see that @ sysmonk
[08:39:23] <sysmonk> you can see that @ your system
[08:39:24] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:39:37] <sysmonk> i don't have my crystall ball around
[08:41:05] <doesnotexist> shoot :D
[08:41:07] <doesnotexist> ahaha
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[08:43:16] <doesnotexist> sysmonk: i tried out this http://bsdinn.com/postfix/index.php?page=SB01
[08:44:07] <doesnotexist> anychances if u could help me out..
[08:44:29] <sysmonk> how much you're paying?
[08:44:29] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:45:34] <doesnotexist> heh
[08:45:45] <doesnotexist> >:D ill pay you with a million thanks.
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[08:46:49] <sysmonk> damn ;/
[08:47:00] <sysmonk> that's too muh, i'd only need half of that in USD $
[08:47:05] <sysmonk> much*
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[08:47:18] <doesnotexist> lol
[08:47:21] <doesnotexist> haha
[08:47:24] <doesnotexist> oh wel..
[08:47:29] <doesnotexist> well*
[08:47:57] <sysmonk> well, if you'd read the topic...
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[08:48:15] <sysmonk> dh: what's up with all the nick changes today ? ;/
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[08:48:33] <dh> sysmonk: All the?
[08:48:42] <sysmonk> dh: yes, 'All the'
[08:49:14] <doesnotexist> go on..
[08:49:17] <dh> Ok, I guess 'one' nick change would be indeed covered by 'all'
[08:49:19] <doesnotexist> hihi
[08:49:21] <sysmonk> dh: http://pastebin.com/d2e1e52cf
[08:49:36] <sysmonk> that's in last ~20 minutes :)
[08:49:57] <sysmonk> i'm not talking specifically about you :)
[08:50:05] <doesnotexist> lol.
[08:50:17] <doesnotexist> sysmonk xD
[08:50:53] <dh> I hope the thousands more on other IRC networks won't blow your mind then :)
[08:51:21] <sysmonk> dh: heh, that's only in this channel :)
[08:51:45] <sysmonk> oh, you're also on ##freebsd
[08:51:51] <sysmonk> i can cry there too :))
[08:52:04] <dh> I'm on way too many channel
[08:52:05] <dh> s
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[08:52:17] <sysmonk> maybe, but we share 3 ;)
[08:52:18] <dh> One would guess that I'm a logbot or whatnot
[08:52:33] <sysmonk> only 19 chans here
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[08:52:42] <sysmonk> er no, 23
[08:53:14] <doesnotexist> >_<
[08:53:22] <dh> Yeah, I reached that limit while ago, then parted the ones that I haven't followed for a half a year
[08:53:30] <sysmonk> hah
[08:53:37] <sysmonk> somebody here showed his irssi screenshot
[08:53:44] <sysmonk> and ... he had ~300 windows
[08:53:52] <doesnotexist> lol
[08:53:53] <dh> That's sick
[08:53:56] <sysmonk> that's f***king sick
[08:53:58] <sysmonk> right :)
[08:54:17] <sysmonk> i already have troubles managing my irssi after ~20 windows
[08:54:24] <sysmonk> and i don't even want to think about 300 ...
[08:54:43] <lennard> I average at about 50 :P
[08:55:05] * sysmonk buys lennard a gun
[08:55:14] <sysmonk> you'll know what to do with it
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[09:02:04] * f3ew has hit the limits of freenode
[09:02:22] <sysmonk> limits on channels?
[09:03:06] <f3ew> yes
[09:04:34] <sysmonk> i'm on two networks so i'm not matching the limits
[09:04:42] <sysmonk> and don't want to hit them
[09:04:48] * sysmonk tries to keep the chan list low
[09:05:04] <chadmaynard> sysmonk: admit it.... you're a loser. =(
[09:05:17] <chadmaynard> you can't join as many channels as you'd like
[09:05:25] <sysmonk> chadmaynard: oh boy, i really have to ask for a user on this chan :P
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[09:05:49] * f3ew is on 5 networks
[09:06:05] <sysmonk> er, i'm on 3, forgot efnet
[09:06:09] <sysmonk> but i'm on 1 chan on efnet
[09:06:14] <sysmonk> so i didn't even count it
[09:06:37] * f3ew is on efnet, freenode, oftc, a couple of private ircds
[09:07:15] <sysmonk> ;P
[09:07:39] * chadmaynard is on.... bed.
[09:07:47] <f3ew> TMI
[09:09:15] <chadmaynard> sorry
[09:09:28] <chadmaynard> I thought we were sharing
[09:10:22] <f3ew> no, only logical locations
[09:10:45] <chadmaynard> ahhh. My bad. Sometimes I get carried away.
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[09:17:08] <k-man_> you know the :include: you can use in aliases? well... do you have to run postalias after changing the included file?
[09:17:17] <k-man_> i guess you do?
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[09:22:43] <MaybeDrunk> wow, how many people ...
[09:23:16] <k-man_> err? 10 or so
[09:23:19] <k-man_> are you asking me?
[09:23:45] <MaybeDrunk> k-man_: lol, no no, isn't a question =)
[09:23:55] <k-man_> oh
[09:24:01] <k-man_> oh
[09:24:02] <k-man_> hehe
[09:24:06] <k-man_> didn't notice that you just joined
[09:24:20] <sysmonk> k-man_: yes, you do
[09:24:33] <k-man_> ok, thanks sysmonk
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[09:25:28] <k-man_> so.. if i have a script that automates the creation of some aliases, i should also automaticaly run postalias afterwards (or is there a better way to do that?)
[09:27:03] <sysmonk> yup
[09:27:20] <sysmonk> if it regenerates the aliases, it shouldn't be hard to add one command to it, RIGHT? :)
[09:27:29] <k-man_> no, not at all
[09:27:43] <k-man_> just wanted to make sure i wasn't reinventing the wheel or something
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[09:36:10] <lawnchair> b.s.
[09:36:20] <lawnchair> you do not have to run a newalises after you modify the actual include file
[09:39:07] <MaybeDrunk> ehm poeple, i start to trying to use postfix now
[09:39:56] <MaybeDrunk> is very hard, and i can't find a main.cf example
[09:40:40] <lawnchair> theres like a million main.cf examples
[09:40:53] <lawnchair> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[09:42:07] <MaybeDrunk> i'm talking about real main.cf
[09:42:11] <lawnchair> uh
[09:42:13] <lawnchair> those are real
[09:42:19] <lawnchair> sheesh
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[09:43:26] <xpoint> there is just one empty main.cf that works :)
[09:44:04] <MaybeDrunk> i know =) but work well only for localdomain
[09:44:45] <xpoint> no more 127.0.0.1 since that ip can have microsoft.com olso
[09:45:09] <MaybeDrunk> ah
[09:45:21] <MaybeDrunk> tnx, now i go to try something again =)
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[09:48:10] * MaybeDrunk hoping no spammer find his mail server at the moment
[09:49:18] <xpoint> why not ? :)
[09:49:36] <MaybeDrunk> lol
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[09:49:47] <HSorgYves> morning
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[09:50:59] <HSorgYves> does anyone know if mail relaying, i.e. test at abx dot com -> something at domain dot net is covered in some RFC? i have trouble with a provider who qualifies all such mail as spooofing
[09:51:43] <xpoint> in what way ?
[09:52:29] <xpoint> rfc821 for a start, and rfc2822
[09:53:08] <HSorgYves> mail sent from an e-mail @pt.lu to test at domain dot com which expands to something at pt dot lu gets rejected as 5.1.7 Spoofing denied
[09:54:23] <xpoint> ask postmaster at pt dot lu what it means
[09:55:15] <HSorgYves> i wanted to make sure if this way of handling mail is valid from the point of the rfc
[09:55:41] <xpoint> its not a postfix error code
[09:55:58] <xpoint> by default that is
[09:56:14] <xpoint> so its a mailfilter/policyd
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[09:57:52] <HSorgYves> ok, thx,  i think i found something in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc821#section-3.6
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[09:58:30] <robtone_> HSorgYves, does abx.com have SPF records?
[09:58:53] <robtone_> HSorgYves, if so, check them, and verify that this domains allows you to on behalf of them
[09:59:10] <robtone_> s/to on/to send on/
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[10:00:45] <HSorgYves> it didn't have when i last checked; now it has... so this is the source of the error ;-)
[10:00:57] <HSorgYves> thx robtone_
[10:01:07] <HSorgYves> thx xpoint for the rfcs
[10:01:30] <xpoint> np
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[10:01:45] <HSorgYves> pt.lu	text = "v=spf1 +ip4:194.154.192.0/25  ~all "
[10:01:54] <tuxick> lo
[10:02:08] <tuxick> how wise is it to allow VRFY these days?
[10:02:20] <tuxick> it seems to be on by default
[10:02:23] <xpoint> space after all ?
[10:02:44] <HSorgYves> robtone_: any way around this?
[10:02:46] <xpoint> its a bad spf
[10:03:23] <robtone_> HSorgYves, I am no SPF expert. Everytime I look at it I get to foobaars.
[10:03:33] <robtone_> s/to/the/
[10:03:56] <xpoint> HSorgYves, the spf is not valid
[10:04:00] <robtone_> HSorgYves, google for SRS
[10:04:06] <HSorgYves> xpoint?
[10:04:26] <xpoint> robtone_, +ip4 error
[10:04:43] <xpoint> space after all
[10:05:22] <HSorgYves> robtone_: what is srs, i find quite different things
[10:05:28] <xpoint> robtone_, and srs makes things harder for the domain owner
[10:06:04] <xpoint> HSorgYves, SRS = Sender Rewrite Sheme
[10:06:20] <robtone_> xpoint, but SRS is the thing one wants if he wants to mail to services which verify SPF
[10:06:29] <robtone_> (the insane way)
[10:06:36] <xpoint> no
[10:06:37] <HSorgYves> xpoint: thx
[10:06:40] <robtone_> no, okay.
[10:07:04] <xpoint> SRS is newer needed for things that can be fixed in spf
[10:07:32] <robtone_> and I thought forwarders have to utilize SRS
[10:08:07] <xpoint> forwarders need to be defined as trusted and msa in spamasssin
[10:08:15] <robtone_> what?
[10:08:19] <robtone_> Jesus.
[10:08:29] <xpoint> you asked
[10:08:37] <HSorgYves> xpoint, well according to spf i will never be allowed to forward mail for that domain
[10:08:57] <xpoint> ask for smtp auth then on there server
[10:09:00] <HSorgYves> what do i need to have srs in postfix?
[10:09:05] <gh0st-> hi, anysuggestions on where can i get a guide in setting up a mail server with av and anti-spam?
[10:10:34] <xpoint> HSorgYves, skip srs
[10:10:53] <robtone_> HSorgYves, skip hosts which use SPF the wrong way.
[10:10:57] <xpoint> HSorgYves, no one use it anyway
[10:11:07] <HSorgYves> xpoint? any other solution?
[10:11:24] <robtone_> HSorgYves, make your own mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Rewriting_Scheme
[10:11:37] <xpoint> if you are custommer on pt.lu ask them for smtp auth
[10:11:38] <HSorgYves> robtone_: read that one
[10:11:56] <robtone_> HSorgYves, and, once it is up again: http://www.openspf.org/SRS
[10:12:13] <robtone_> http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:5QHGQ0ChNuEJ:www.openspf.org/SRS+forwarders+SRS&hl=en&client=firefox-a&strip=1
[10:12:43] <robtone_> the concept of "wwhitelist forwarders" explains the braindamage of SPF
[10:13:23] <robtone_> howeever, there is no other solution: use SRS (eg, rewrite sender), make the receiver whitelist you or make the origin sender set correct SPF records
[10:13:25] <xpoint> srs makes more prpblems then it solves, olso nearly no one need srs, but alot try to fix spf problems with it, but its the wroung way of doing things
[10:13:47] <xpoint> that way forwards soooks big time anyway
[10:13:49] <robtone_> HSorgYves, the only option which YOU can chose and enforce is "ignore SPF users". You can decide.
[10:14:18] <robtone_> their mail, their problem.
[10:14:34] <HSorgYves> i can't ignore the biggest provider in Luxembourg, sorry that is no option
[10:14:40] <xpoint> robtone_, fair :)
[10:14:43] <robtone_> you have to.
[10:14:53] <robtone_> because this all is not in your control.
[10:14:59] <robtone_> accept it.
[10:15:02] <xpoint> robtone_, no he is not need to
[10:15:10] <robtone_> or rewrite the sender.
[10:15:14] <xpoint> HSorgYves, ask them about smtp auth
[10:15:28] <robtone_> forwarding via smtp auth?
[10:15:35] <robtone_> well, ha ha, hahaha.
[10:15:37] <xpoint> forwarding sooks
[10:15:58] <xpoint> biggest isp in lu can not make smtp auth ?
[10:16:38] <HSorgYves> well they cannot write a spf record, so ;-)
[10:16:53] <robtone_> HSorgYves, rewrite the sender
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[10:17:00] <xpoint> HSorgYves, yep, its badly brokken in the format
[10:17:21] <robtone_> HSorgYves, currently your only technical choice. anything else is a political choise.
[10:17:24] <robtone_> choice.
[10:17:28] <HSorgYves> that's what i intend to do; how to use srs in postfix?
[10:17:36] <xpoint> robtone_, pretty easy with smtp auth :-)
[10:18:06] <xpoint> HSorgYves, srs is wrong and not supported in postfix
[10:18:16] <robtone_> xpoint, you mean, the forwarder shall smtp auth to the receiver, well, would be an option
[10:18:32] <xpoint> no no no no
[10:18:44] <robtone_> ?
[10:18:57] <xpoint> robtone_, HSorgYves should use smtp auth to pt.lu period
[10:19:08] <HSorgYves> xpoint: why should they allow me smtp auth for our mailserver?
[10:19:25] <xpoint> if you use there domain as email
[10:19:43] <robtone_> xpoint, he is not sending to pt.lu
[10:19:51] <robtone_> xpoint, pt.lu is sending to him
[10:20:00] <HSorgYves> i do not use there domain
[10:20:04] <robtone_> or I have read wrong
[10:20:09] <HSorgYves> there/their
[10:20:25] <xpoint> does not makes sense where he sends, if the domain as sender is spf protected, it needs smtp auth anywhere its sent
[10:20:30] <HSorgYves> i get mail from them which a client wants to forward back to them
[10:20:49] <robtone_> puh.
[10:20:53] <robtone_> now.
[10:21:30] <robtone_> it can be that this isn't even an SPF problem
[10:21:39] <xpoint> if pt.lu sends to HSorgYves its there problem to fix it :)
[10:22:25] <robtone_> HSorgYves, we reject mail from outside, which has our domain, too.
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[10:22:58] <HSorgYves> robtone_: can srs bypass that?
[10:23:05] <robtone_> HSorgYves, think so.
[10:23:12] <xpoint> forget srs
[10:23:16] <robtone_> HSorgYves, but don't ask me, how to do SRS
[10:23:28] <robtone_> SRS is not only useful to beat SPF
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[10:23:36] <HSorgYves> xpoint: is there another solution then?
[10:23:48] <xpoint> forget another problem :)
[10:24:27] <xpoint> if pt.lu sends to you its there problem to fix it
[10:24:58] <robtone_> why?
[10:25:12] <xpoint> rfc821
[10:25:22] <robtone_> they reject mail from outside, claiming to be pt.lu
[10:25:33] <robtone_> I bet, you do this too.
[10:25:35] <xpoint> so ?
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[10:26:02] <xpoint> i only care on spf pass, not on the bad ones
[10:26:10] <robtone_> this is not a SPF problem.
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[10:26:28] <xpoint> its related
[10:26:45] <robtone_> uhm.
[10:27:13] <robtone_> you accept it, when I say MAIL FROM: root at junc dot org?
[10:27:29] <xpoint> maybe
[10:28:08] <robtone_> nearly 90% of comapnies and orgs don't accept specifically _that_
[10:28:31] <xpoint> i am not part of 90% then
[10:28:50] <HSorgYves> robtone_: by using which argument to reject them?
[10:29:12] <robtone_> spoofing as own domain
[10:29:24] <xpoint> HSorgYves, google sender_login_missmatch
[10:30:32] <HSorgYves> only 1 hit?
[10:30:34] <xpoint> robtone_, do you belive root have passwords on pop3 ?
[10:30:55] <HSorgYves> oh, with 1 s
[10:32:51] <robtone_> HSorgYves, most companies follow this guide http://www.arschkrebs.de/postfix/postfix_incoming.shtml
[10:33:03] <robtone_> not exactly this guide, but to give you a figure
[10:33:15] <xpoint> robtone_, and the rest use there brains :)
[10:33:41] <robtone_> HSorgYves, this guide is also listed on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[10:34:09] <HSorgYves> but this is nuts
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[10:35:02] <robtone_> HSorgYves, it is not nuts. It's a protection against viruses which use the own domain as sender, to gain social trust.
[10:35:13] <xpoint> HSorgYves, this url can be maked more secure with sender_login_mismatch
[10:36:09] <robtone_> HSorgYves, your option is to reqrite the sender, or to reject pt.lu.
[10:36:12] <HSorgYves> ok, mailman uses srs afaik
[10:36:56] <xpoint> HSorgYves, we talk very fuzzy about problems you belive you have, show logs and postconf -n if need help as stated in topic, so far robtone_ have just used his crystal ball :)
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[10:46:57] <HSorgYves> back, the logs will follow right away
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[10:52:39] <HSorgYves> http://pastebin.com/d1e47c083
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[10:56:26] <nonsequitir_> Getting an undefined symbol error for db_common_parse_domain when trying to query mysql from postfix. Version is 2.4.5. Has anyone seen this before?
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[11:03:08] <nonsequitir_> Back rev'd to 2.3 - all is good again.
[11:03:33] <sysmonk> what's so magic about that query?
[11:03:33] <HSorgYves> xpoint: still around?
[11:03:40] <sysmonk> does postmap -q return that error too?
[11:03:45] <sysmonk> why 2.4.5 when there's 2.5.1 ?
[11:03:51] <HSorgYves> robtone_: still around?
[11:04:15] <HSorgYves> sysmonk: maybe you have an idea about my forwarding/relaying problem as well?
[11:05:10] <nonsequitir_> sysmonk: I'm using SUSE Linux Enterprise 10 SP2, these are the default packages.
[11:05:36] <nonsequitir_> sysmonk: and I'm running my mail services inside a Xen Virtual Machine
[11:06:21] <nonsequitir_> Once I get the system up and running, I'll clone the VM and start with a working config against the latest released code.
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[11:12:19] <xpoint> HSorgYves, oh
[11:12:33] <xpoint> this is policyd-weight
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[11:13:05] <HSorgYves> ?
[11:13:21] <xpoint> HSorgYves, what problem is there without policyd-weight ?
[11:13:43] <HSorgYves> policyd-weight on my side?
[11:13:49] <xpoint> yes
[11:14:15] <HSorgYves> the reject comes from them, not from me?!?
[11:14:49] <xpoint> HSorgYves, no your policyd-weight says spoofing to them
[11:15:09] <HSorgYves> ooooh, hmm will try to disable it
[11:15:15] <xpoint> so YOU have the problem here
[11:15:44] <xpoint> olso consider policyd-weight not supported anylonger
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[11:16:15] <HSorgYves> i know, didn't have the time to replace it, any suggestion?
[11:16:42] <xpoint> policyd v1
[11:17:44] <xpoint> not use the v2 since its not very stable
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[11:20:07] <HSorgYves> status=bounced (host inmx1.pt.lu[194.154.192.93] said: 500 5.1.7 Spoofing denied (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[11:20:22] <HSorgYves> xpoint: isn't that inmx1.pt.lu not accepting the mail?
[11:23:17] <xpoint> no, you send a DSN back to them
[11:24:36] <xpoint> Sep 23 10:48:47 castor postfix/smtp[17712]: 96DFB63489: to=<georges.kreis at pt dot lu>, relay=inmx2.pt.lu[194.154.192.92]:25, delay=0.08, delays=0.01/0/0.02/0.05, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 m8N8mjTE030406 Message accepted for delivery)
[11:27:21] <HSorgYves> ? yes accepted for delivery
[11:27:48] <xpoint> yes thay accept the DSN back from you
[11:27:58] <HSorgYves> ?
[11:28:10] <xpoint> remove policyd-weight
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[11:28:33] <HSorgYves> i am, sorry have phone calls beside
[11:28:49] <xpoint> multitasking is ok :)
[11:32:05] <HSorgYves> .-)
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[11:32:30] <HSorgYves> ok, removed policyd-weight; working now... many thx
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[11:34:04] <robtone_> this is somewhat nonsense
[11:34:13] <robtone_> Sep 23 10:48:47 castor postfix/policyd-weight[2612]: decided action=PREPEND X-policyd-weight: using cached result; rate: -1.5
[11:34:21] <robtone_> is an accept, no reject
[11:34:56] <robtone_> in all removing of policyd-weight should result in the same behaviour, otherwise I'd like to know WHERE policyd-weightis making a problem.
[11:35:22] <HSorgYves> will try to reenable it
[11:36:32] <robtone_> it would be news to me if PREPEND/accepting mail is a reason for problems.
[11:38:02] <HSorgYves> upps, sorry, sent using wrong e-mail
[11:38:37] <robtone_> HSorgYves, talk to the postmaster of pt.lu
[11:38:56] <robtone_> either to whitelist you, or rewrite the sender.
[11:39:12] <robtone_> (well, you should reqrite the sender)
[11:39:14] <HSorgYves> same error again; so policyd-weight is not the problem
[11:40:21] <HSorgYves> http://pastebin.com/d4a55778e
[11:40:30] <HSorgYves> the one without policyd-weight
[11:41:25] <robtone_> HSorgYves, you could try to dig through http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html
[11:41:36] <robtone_> I would have to do that myself first in order to give hints
[11:42:22] <robtone_> probaby address_rewriting is a totally wrong advice.
[11:42:29] <robtone_> (the readme)
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[11:46:54] <robtone_> HSorgYves, I'd try to use pcre maps with http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#generic
[11:47:00] <robtone_> (for a start)
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[11:49:24] <HSorgYves> hmmm, what should i use for abc at pt dot lu -> test at hosting-skills dot org -> xyz at pt dot lu ? i would need to rewrite abc at pt dot lu isn't it?
[11:49:42] <robtone_> yes
[11:50:11] <HSorgYves> but then reply will no longer work?
[11:50:28] <robtone_> abc at pt dot lu abc+pt.lu at hosting-skills dot org
[11:50:33] <robtone_> well
[11:50:39] <xpoint> Sep 23 10:48:47 castor postfix/smtp[17712]: 7CAE963487: to=<geokreis at pt dot lu>, orig_to=<test at hosting-skills dot org>, relay=inmx1.pt.lu[194.154.192.93]:25, delay=6.9, delays=6.8/0.02/0.04/0.01, dsn=5.1.7, status=bounced (host inmx1.pt.lu[194.154.192.93] said: 500 5.1.7 Spoofing denied (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[11:51:56] <xpoint> its a verp bounce
[11:52:00] <HSorgYves> robtone_: and with abc+pt.lu at hosting-skills dot org replying will work?
[11:52:04] <robtone_> HSorgYves, no
[11:52:23] <robtone_> HSorgYves, you would have to have a program which evals the local part and does ill magic
[11:52:38] <robtone_> but,
[11:52:43] <robtone_> if reply-to is set
[11:52:58] <robtone_> and the users MUAs use it ...
[11:54:37] <HSorgYves> xpoint: ?
[11:56:05] <xpoint> i give up on this one
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[11:59:13] <robtone_> HSorgYves, its a problem of pt.lu which you try to solve on your side.
[11:59:26] <HSorgYves> i mailed the postmaster
[11:59:40] <rosco> Hi
[12:00:02] <HSorgYves> i know, but i doubt they will change there settings; they will argument to prevent span/virus this way which is insane
[12:01:04] <rosco> I've configured a postfix server as a "secondary server" for a few users in a domain with an already working SMTP server. What's the name of this kind of configuration ? Is there a specific term ?
[12:02:37] <xpoint> mostly a outbound mta
[12:02:40] 
[12:03:16] <xpoint> if  thay do thay are very clueless it self
[12:05:09] <xpoint> thisemmailisnotspam at foo dot domain.example.org even this email addy is no more no less more or less spam then other email as mydomaindont at sooks dot microsoft.com
[12:05:16] <robtone_> HSorgYves, you could reject the mail if you are going to forward it to the domain listed also in the sender
[12:06:45] <robtone_> but this might lead to backscatter.
[12:06:57] <f3ew> rosco backup MX?
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[12:09:04] <HSorgYves> a friend who owns a small isp company told me to use mailing lists; that is what they do
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[12:26:39] <robtone_> btw, forwarders would have the same troubles if the $recipient_domain uses sender_login_mismatch and the sender is from that domain
[12:28:49] <robtone_> hm, no, doesn't play a role. the forwarder will always be in trouble if the receiver uses sender_login_mismatch
[12:29:08] <rosco> f3ew: My problem is that I can receive all the mail for my users, since I'm the destination domain for a few users, but as soon as they send mail to other people in the same domain, the delivery fails because the recipients aren't in my users list. I can't find an equivalent config in the official doc. If I remove the "mydestination = mydomain" in the config file, I won't be able to receive my emails anymore.
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[12:30:56] <rosco> my config isn't a backup, it is a server that offers more storage space for some users in the domain. The mail for those users is forwarded by the central server. But the mail they send cannot reach this central server.
[12:30:59] <HSorgYves> using a mailinglist its working... now it starts to get strange!
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[12:31:43] <f3ew> Ah
[12:31:45] <jacobat> howdy
[12:32:01] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#some_virtual
[12:32:15] <jacobat> i'm trying to send a bunch of newsletters with postfix, running in a single process and injecting into /usr/sbin/sendmail i can inject around 7 mails a second
[12:32:36] <jacobat> if i spawn several process doing the same thing i go to around 70 a second
[12:32:36] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#some_local # Correct link
[12:32:50] <f3ew> jacobat submit via smtp, it's a bit faster :)
[12:33:20] <f3ew> If you can submit multi-recipient mail, submit your messages grouped by domain
[12:33:24] <jacobat> f3ew: it doesn't seem to make much of a difference in this case
[12:33:30] <f3ew> so all @yahoo.com go nito a snigle message, for example
[12:33:33] <jacobat> f3ew: I can't, each newsletter is unique
[12:33:34] <f3ew> single*
[12:33:37] <f3ew> ah, damn
[12:33:45] <jacobat> we put in peoples names
[12:34:02] <f3ew> You should still be able to hit ~ 100 concurrent submissions fairly trivially
[12:34:15] <f3ew> Depending on the hardware, more
[12:34:19] <jacobat> that's what i'm expecting
[12:34:41] <jacobat> i just don't get how a single process can only enqueue 7 mails a second
[12:35:16] <f3ew> jacobat, sendmail(1) is slow becayuse a new process is created for each message submitted
[12:35:34] <jacobat> yeah, but 7 a second? ;)
[12:35:49] <jacobat> and connecting with smtp doesn't seem to do much of a difference
[12:36:12] <jacobat> is it possible to enqueue multiple mails over one smtp connection or does it need a new one for each?
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[12:44:04] <jacobat> hmm, with smtp i can go to 10/sec
[12:45:28] <f3ew> HELO
[12:45:31] <f3ew> MAIL
[12:45:32] <f3ew> RCPT
[12:45:35] <loompek> howdy
[12:45:36] <f3ew> DATA
[12:45:37] <f3ew> .
[12:45:42] <f3ew> MAIL
[12:45:46] <f3ew> RCPT ...
[12:45:53] <sysmonk> flooooooooooooderrrr!!!!
[12:45:54] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:45:57] <sysmonk> let's kick f3ew
[12:46:01] <f3ew> Nah, I typed it :P
[12:46:10] <sysmonk> so what ;P
[12:46:14] <sysmonk> you're still a flooder!
[12:46:17] <jacobat> f3ew: I'll give it a go
[12:47:13] <f3ew> jacobat, open multiple SMTP connections?
[12:47:45] <f3ew> Open 100 connections concurrently
[12:48:31] <jacobat> f3ew: Is it impossible to get the same performance running without concurrency?
[12:48:45] <jacobat> Or at least reasonable performance
[12:49:00] <f3ew> jacobat, Yes
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[12:49:23] <f3ew> Concurrency does increase performance
[12:50:04] <jacobat> Of course, I just wonder how much performance you can get without concurrency
[12:50:28] <sysmonk> jacobat: it queues only 10 mails / s ?
[12:50:39] <sysmonk> or it delivers 10 mail /s ?
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[12:51:18] <jacobat> sysmonk: queues
[12:51:23] <sysmonk> that's not good
[12:51:35] <jacobat> sysmonk: Trying to inject 100 mails from a shell script takes 10 seconds
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[12:51:44] <jacobat> Agreed :)
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[12:52:11] <sysmonk>  time ./test.sh > /dev/null
[12:52:11] <sysmonk> 0.010u 0.007s 0:00.18 5.5%	108+1780k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[12:52:16] <sysmonk> that's 20 emails
[12:52:25] <sysmonk> in ... ? 0.18 seconds
[12:52:50] <jacobat> what does your test.sh look like?
[12:53:35] <sysmonk> http://pastebin.com/d3f3ea9c8
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[12:54:55] <sysmonk> basically what f3ew told to do, just in a script
[12:55:48] <sysmonk> the .sh is just to easily use `time` with it :)
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[12:57:43] <jacobat> sysmonk: I got good speed with that script too, guess it must be somewhere else
[12:57:49] <jacobat> it = the problem
[12:58:02] <sysmonk> jacobat: that script has small data
[12:58:14] <sysmonk> try putting bigger data ( i.e. the real one )
[12:58:18] <sysmonk> with all the headers and stuff
[12:59:37] <jacobat> sysmonk: thanks
[12:59:43] * f3ew introduces jacobat to better programming languages
[13:00:02] <f3ew> jacobat, if you really want to use a shell script,. use make(1
[13:00:10] <f3ew> make(1) for job control
[13:00:25] <f3ew> make -j 50
[13:00:55] <jacobat> f3ew: Hehe, I'm using Ruby for now
[13:01:06] <jacobat> f3ew: So far I'm just looking for the root cause
[13:01:17] <sysmonk> uh, atleast not java
[13:01:31] <sysmonk> i'd know where the performance bottleneck is if you'd be using java ;P
[13:02:20] <jacobat> hehe
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[13:27:50] <ribasushi_> hi
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[13:53:13] <st_iron> hello
[13:53:28] <st_iron> can I add 2 mail addresses to the always_bcc= config?
[13:54:06] <st_iron> I tried always_bcc = mail@1, mail@2 but it did not work
[13:55:23] <sep> st_iron, dont know, but how about using a alias that expands to the 2 recipients ?
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[13:56:29] <st_iron> huh not good
[13:56:39] <ribasushi_> st_iron: why not?
[13:57:16] <st_iron> hmm
[13:57:22] <st_iron> or maybe good
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[13:58:35] <ribasushi_> hmm... why if I put in localhost instead of 127.0.0.1 in a transport relay map the sending smtp can not resolve it all of a sudden...
[13:58:36] <ribasushi_> wtf
[13:58:49] <ribasushi_> there is a proper hosts file in the chroot too
[14:05:37] <sysmonk> st_iron: no, you can't have multiple recipients in there
[14:05:49] <sysmonk> st_iron: but you can do the way sep suggested
[14:06:03] <st_iron> sysmonk: thanks, the alias solved my problem
[14:06:09] <st_iron> sep: thank you too!
[14:06:14] <st_iron> o/
[14:06:34] <sysmonk> ribasushi_: because it uses dns to resolve localhost
[14:06:50] <ribasushi_> but why? nsswitch says file first
[14:06:51] <sysmonk> ribasushi_: i bet dig localhost won't return anything good
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[14:07:09] <sysmonk> ribasushi_: nsswitch is for gethostbyname
[14:07:21] <ribasushi> aaaa.... such a gotcha
[14:07:22] <sysmonk> postfix doesn't use gethostbyname ( unless you disabled internal dns client)
[14:07:34] * ribasushi enables localhost resolution for external hosts then :)
[14:09:34] <loompek> i'm looking for the simplest way to do conditional address rewriting... possibly directly in postfix (without any policy daemons etc..)... in case the recipient is @arecipient.com change the sender from @origsender.com to @truesender.org and the recipient to @brecipient.com and transport it via smtp to a remote relay
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[14:11:30] <sysmonk> i think it requires some magic configuration
[14:11:42] <sysmonk> can't think of anything _simple_ right now
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[14:23:52] <lunaphyte_> loompek: wtf?
[14:24:15] <lunaphyte_> could you come up with something a bit more convoluted please?  :)
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[14:26:28] <sysmonk> oh my, eurodns offers to UPGRADE my email forward to a pop account! :)
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[14:27:17] <lunaphyte_> "bringing you into the 21st century on the information superhigway"
[14:27:22] <lunaphyte_> *highway
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[14:28:36] <loompek> lunaphyte okay... the scenario is.. in case postfix gets mail from: a at origsender dot com to: b at arecipient dot com .. the adresses should be rewritten... from: a at truesender dot org to: b at brecipient dot com
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[14:30:06] <dikdust> hi
[14:30:25] <cVsup> I have postfix and mailman
[14:30:36] <cVsup> when i send mail to list postfix return error
[14:30:48] <cVsup> Sep 23 09:28:07 andromeda01 postfix/virtual[28483]: D8FF81150D2: to=<teste at aliardistribuidora dot com.br>, relay=virtual, delay=0.1, delays=0.03/0.04/0/0.03, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "teste at aliardistribuidora dot com.br")
[14:30:48] <cVsup> Sep 23 09:28:07 andromeda01 postfix/cleanup[28473]: F05541150D3: message-id=<20080923122807.F05541150D3 at andromeda01 dot aliardistribuidora.com.br>
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[14:31:09] <cVsup> if i empty tranpost_maps in main.cf
[14:31:14] <cVsup> her working
[14:31:16] <ribasushi> oh fuck... found it
[14:31:18] <cVsup> somebody can help me?
[14:31:33] <ribasushi> postfix asks the dns not for localhost, but for localhost.<my search postfix>
[14:31:38] <ribasushi> isn't this a bug?
[14:32:42] <sysmonk> what is <my search postfix>
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[14:33:11] <ribasushi> the one listed in /etc/resolv.conf
[14:33:14] <ribasushi> search xxxx
[14:33:37] <sysmonk> doesn't it query for localhost before that?
[14:33:43] <ribasushi> no
[14:33:46] <ribasushi> have the tcpdump to prove it
[14:33:52] <ribasushi> goes directly for localhost.xxxx
[14:33:53] <dikdust> I' m trying to setup a postfix-mail-system with more than one mx servers from different ip and connection. And I want to preserve same mails on every server trough dovecot
[14:34:08] <sysmonk> should query for localhost first, and on failure go to localhost.xxxx
[14:34:26] <dikdust> obviously must exist a primary mx server local for the users
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[14:37:35] <ribasushi> sigh no time... will just add the localhost to the zone for now
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[14:46:01] <ribasushi_> what happens first - transports or aliases?
[14:46:35] <ribasushi_> I need to divert a message to a different smtp before an alias picks it up, do I use transport_maps?
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[14:55:39] <cVsup> tranport_maps not check alias_maps?
[14:57:04] <dikdust> uhm transport is before alias
[14:57:08] <dikdust> I guess
[14:57:51] <dikdust> if you transport .domain.com to somewhere than somewhere must have alias
[14:58:01] <dikdust> afaik but I'm a noob
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[15:01:15] <cVsup> dikdust i have mailman configure
[15:01:28] <cVsup> if i use transport_maps and send mail to user
[15:01:29] <cVsup> worki
[15:01:31] <cVsup> work
[15:01:49] <cVsup> but if i send mail to mailing listing not work
[15:02:39] <cVsup> if not user tranpost_maps my mail list work
[15:02:58] <cVsup> and i send mail to user in domain not work
[15:03:04] <cVsup> return unknown user
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[15:21:40] <ribasushi_> hm... ok here is the problem I have
[15:22:11] <ribasushi_> I want to run a secondary smtpd service with a smaller maximum message size cap
[15:22:37] <ribasushi_> and I want the primary (listening on 25) to direct messages addressed to a specific address to the other smtpd
[15:23:08] <ribasushi_> the problem is that transport_maps is not used by smtpd, so I can not disable/enable it on the primary/secondary one
[15:23:24] <ribasushi_> and I can not get the secondary smtp to use a different transport daemon either
[15:23:26] <ribasushi_> how can I do this?
[15:24:26] <lunaphyte_> loompek: but why, though?
[15:25:18] <ribasushi_> lunaphyte_: was this line for my by chance?
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[15:29:16] <loompek> lunaphyte because of grx :)
[15:29:23] <loompek> if that's any good to you
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[15:32:10] <kotique> hey guys. I'm trying to process mail, delivered to non-existant user.
[15:32:20] <kotique> but it says  status=bounced (unknown user: "mail2fax")
[15:32:56] <kotique> virtual_alias_maps contains @domain mail2fax
[15:33:41] <kotique> and fallback_transport_maps contains fax2email@localdomain    fax:localhost
[15:33:49] <kotique> and it doesn't work!
[15:35:33] <lunaphyte_> loompek: no, i don't know what grx is.
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[15:50:36] <cVsup> hey tranport_maps not read aliases_maps?
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[16:07:47] <b_> Hi,
[16:09:38] <b_> How could I configure master.cf for anti-virus check done just once
[16:09:52] <b_> I use clamsmtp has proxy
[16:10:23] <b_> If I send a mail to 42 mails addresse, 42 mails while be anti-virus check, but that's the same mail
[16:11:09] <b_> that's not necessary, and memory/watt consumer
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[16:33:45] <cpm> cough, cough, amavis, cough
[16:35:01] <cVsup> somebody can say why postfix configured with transport_maps not ready alias_maps?
[16:36:56] <kotique> User unknown in virtual alias table
[16:41:32] <cVsup> kotique if i use transport_map, when send my to list
[16:41:40] <cVsup> return user unknown
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[17:01:58] <ribasushi_> sysmonk: http://marc.info/?l=postfix-users&m=122218196420919&w=2
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[17:10:50] <silvex> After updating ports-tree freebsd 6, & fixing a lot of broken config files, I'm left with 1 problem. Postfix is not comunicating with postgrey. I believe the problem is postgrey & it's DB. But don't know how to fix it. I tried repairing the DB , didn't help. Trying to start postgrey gives this error:can't create DB environment.
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[17:17:57] <jelly> silvex: which database does it use?  If it's an older version bdb, perhaps you need to upgrade (ie. db*_dump with older tools and db*_load with the version postgrey is now using, or a similar method
[17:20:20] <silvex> jelly: yes, i do get this error in the logs Mail.Warning:postgrey[29377]: warning: WARNING: disabling DB_AUTO_COMMIT because you are using BerkeleyDB version 3.3. Version 4.1 is required for DB_AUTO_COMMIT. You might have problems in case of system failures to recover the database.
[17:20:48] <jelly> silvex: huh
[17:21:10] <silvex> jelly: but when i check i do have ver 4.1 installed
[17:21:13] <jelly> silvex: that could mean postgrey is now using an _older_ BDB compared to before
[17:21:53] <jelly> I'm not familiar with any bsd, can you check what is postgrey linked with?
[17:22:52] <silvex> jelly : linked, how. as in DB or perl
[17:23:53] <jelly> I'm also unaware of what's postgrey written in.  if it's perl, look for which DB is used by the particular perl module used
[17:24:18] <jelly> (so, as in which BDB)
[17:24:21] <cVsup> my postfix ignore virtual_alias_maps
[17:24:24] <cVsup> somebody can help?
[17:25:35] <silvex> jelly: it was loaded with p5-berkeley db, probaly originaly with ver3 and now it wants 4.1. If i have 4.1 installed, i could try your dump and reload suggestion.
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[17:26:20] <jelly> silvex: that warning is just a warning anyway, not an error worth dying
[17:27:46] <silvex> jelly: true, but this is the error from postfix:Mail.Warning.Sep 23 11:50:53 postfix/smtpd[29403]: warning: problem talking to server 127.0.0.1:10023: Connection refused
[17:28:02] <jelly> silvex: make backups.  :-)  oh, my linux system mention's there are tools like db4.4_upgrade
[17:28:21] <jelly> argh, apostrophe attack
[17:28:26] <silvex> jelly: thanks will check.
[17:38:21] <silvex> jelly: yes there are db4 tools. So I just have to find the postgrey DB and try to upgrade.
[17:38:44] <jelly> ... which might or might not help, but hey
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[17:44:06] <silvex> jelly: db4_upgade ran, but complained: DB_OLDVERSION:Database requires a version upgrade.   :(
[17:44:46] <jelly> silvex: yeah, that's probably why people do dbOLD_dump and dbNEW_load instead
[17:45:13] <cVsup> in virtual_alias_maps i use test at domain dot com    test
[17:45:24] <cVsup> postfix use alias_maps?
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[17:46:37] <silvex> jelly: I will try your the dump. thanks
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[18:17:25] <brd> hmm, how can I temporarily stop delivery of mail to a certain location?
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[18:21:24] <vice-versa> use HOLD
[18:21:49] <brd> right, how do I tell it to hold messages for an entire domain..
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[18:37:02] <vice-versa> !access
[18:37:02] <knoba> vice-versa: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[18:38:19] <shasta> man 5 access
[18:38:23] <shasta> right
[18:40:23] <cVsup> hey
[18:40:37] <cVsup> helppppppppp
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[18:46:19] <Dominian> wtf
[18:46:25] <Dominian> what kind of quit message irritation is that
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[18:51:48] <dft> agreed, that hurts
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[18:58:28] <SomethingISODD> hello all i was wondering with postfix is there anyway to put a footer on some domains but not all hosted with postfix?
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[19:41:43] <silvex> jelly: if your still there,couldn't get the db ixed. maybe it's something else. anyway , i'll have to run without postgrey untill I can fix it.
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[19:48:38] <markl_> does postfix check the transports file before it checks aliases?  I have like 3 addresses i want to handle one way, and the others i want to relay to another server
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[19:56:46] <markl_> ugh, looks like transport is first
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[20:04:57] <change_> any1 awake?
[20:05:07] <dft> yes, but wish I wasn't
[20:05:11] <change_> lol
[20:05:40] <change_> can u mayb help me wif my postfix
[20:05:47] <dft> maybe
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[20:05:56] <dft> what's up, just ask someone will answer
[20:06:22] <lunaphyte_> u?  wif?
[20:06:37] <dft> take a wif of that...damn!
[20:06:50] <change_> cant send mail, get a time out from server
[20:06:54] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: 1 wif 4 u
[20:07:09] <dft> pastebin the log entry from maillog
[20:07:10] <change_> host or domain name not found
[20:07:11] <sysmonk> 2 beer 4 i
[20:07:15] <change_> kk
[20:07:16] <dft> well, good ol' dns
[20:07:18] <sysmonk> kk
[20:07:22] <sysmonk> oh my
[20:07:35] <dft> lions and tigers and DNS oh my
[20:07:43] <lunaphyte_> am i just an old, obstinate, prick? :)
[20:07:44] <gpled> dft: lol
[20:07:57] <dft> can't go around it
[20:08:26] <dft> can't go under it
[20:08:33] <dft> can't go over it
[20:08:36] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: you're not the only one
[20:08:39] <dft> gotta go through it
[20:08:54] <dft> I resemble that statement
[20:08:59] <sysmonk> i don't think i'm old, but i h8 that kind of talkz
[20:09:06] <sysmonk> lunaphyte: kk?
[20:09:11] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: i guess that makes two of us then. :)
[20:09:41] <change_> http://pastebin.com/d7c743f3
[20:10:08] <dft> where's the whole DNS error
[20:10:23] <gpled> i betting $myhostname in main.cf :)
[20:10:26] <lunaphyte_> change_: talk to whoever runs the server at 66.178.107.76
[20:10:28] <change_> thats form mailq
[20:11:01] <dft> looks like there's no smtp service running at mail.oxigen.cd
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[20:11:48] <change_> http://pastebin.com/d3a69f23
[20:12:19] <dft> the answer is right there
[20:12:21] <change_> if i use the internal ip and telnet it connects to 25 and 110
[20:12:21] <dft> =MX: Host not found, try again)
[20:12:38] <dft> you have no MX records
[20:12:46] <gpled> change_: what ip you using when you telnet to it?
[20:13:14] <change_> internal ip 192.168.*.*
[20:13:32] <gpled> change_: your firewall is not routing to that nat address
[20:13:33] <lunaphyte_> make sure you hide your private, unreachable address from us.
[20:13:57] <gpled> lunaphyte: lol
[20:14:03] <change_> lol
[20:14:14] <dft> http://pastebin.com/d2513115a
[20:14:20] * cpm hides his privates from lunaphyte_
[20:14:45] <dft> change_: smtp is inaccessible from the outside world
[20:15:14] * dft always has his privates at attention
[20:15:27] <dft> make it hard to walk somedays
[20:15:29] * lunaphyte_ closes his eyes and starts swinging a hammer wildly.
[20:15:32] <dft> but I manage
[20:15:37] <gpled> i change my guess to router/firewall not routing correctly
[20:15:51] <adnc> there you guys found someone you can laugh about
[20:16:07] <markl_> is there a way to do something like luser_relay but have it preserve the original to: address - just on a different host
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[20:16:44] <change_> thaxn
[20:16:46] <change_> thanx
[20:17:11] <gpled> dft: no. i want to know more about these lions and tigers you speak of
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[20:22:03] <MaybeDrunk> hi all
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[20:22:07] <MaybeDrunk> i'm here again =)
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[20:27:10] <PHP_GURU> arround 50,000$ in freelance projects dayly
[20:27:35] <PHP_GURU> i use my talent
[20:27:49] <shasta> use the dictionary too, please
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[20:29:24] <sysmonk> PHP_GURU: o_o
[20:29:45] <sysmonk> and who are you to come here and tell that?
[20:31:23] <adnc> sysmonk: a bot?
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[20:31:55] <PHP_GURU> i am  not a bot
[20:32:16] <adnc> why don't you answer sysmonk? is question was very interesting
[20:32:18] <PHP_GURU> my mistake
[20:32:25] <PHP_GURU> this was for private
[20:32:29] <PHP_GURU> conversation
[20:33:21] <PHP_GURU> http://www.getafreelancer.com/affiliates/freelancerbg/
[20:35:12] <sysmonk> adnc: which what question be interesting?
[20:36:18] <shasta> PHP_GURU, let me make this clear: we DON'T CARE
[20:36:38] <shasta> go away or we will replace you with a very small shell script
[20:36:41] <sysmonk> i think /kb is more cleaer
[20:37:44] <PHP_GURU> ok. sorry
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[20:38:07] <shasta> /kb requires p@wer
[20:38:23] <sysmonk> ain't we p@werful enough?
[20:38:24] <sysmonk> ;P
[20:38:38] * seekwill wants p@wer
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[20:39:25] <adnc> sysmonk: i was saying the sentence above to PHP_GURU not to you. i was trying to say sysmonk did ask a interesting question why don't you GURU answer him.
[20:40:48] * adnc is laughing about "we will replace you with a very small shell script"
[20:42:36] <MaybeDrunk> i have a little question, i have a pc (in the lan) called server.lan.net
[20:42:53] <MaybeDrunk> and i want to use it with the something.dyndns.org domain
[20:42:58] <MaybeDrunk> how can i do that ?
[20:43:20] <MaybeDrunk> (sorry for the maybe stupid question, but i'm starting to use postfix from 5 hours)
[20:44:08] <MaybeDrunk> i know that too many mail services will not accept my mail, but not important at the moment
[20:46:02] <MaybeDrunk> myhostname = server.lan.net
[20:46:02] <MaybeDrunk> mydomain = something.dyndns.org
[20:46:09] <MaybeDrunk> is this conf right ?
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[20:51:24] <brd> shasta: I know I always trust someone with a name like PHP_GURU
[20:52:15] <sysmonk> the lower-caseness of the nick shows his experience
[20:52:33] <sysmonk> and his power at all
[20:52:38] <brd> hehe
[20:52:42] <seekwill> DefinitelyDrunk: If many mail servers won't accept your mail, how is that not important?
[20:53:13] <sysmonk> seekwill: you've got AI in your tab auto-complete? :P
[20:53:22] <seekwill> :)
[20:53:23] <MaybeDrunk> seekwill: i only try to build a mail server, not important it works great with all other server ... just for try =)
[20:53:48] <seekwill> SometimesDrunk: I suggest buying the book: The Book of Postfix
[20:54:15] <MaybeDrunk> i'm reading ... but not easy for me
[20:54:16] <adnc> seekwill: i had it for a week in german. great book
[20:54:45] <sysmonk> somebody sent bought me that book from this channel
[20:54:48] <sysmonk> for helping
[20:54:57] <sysmonk> i read it, it was _REALLY_ easy to read
[20:55:16] <MaybeDrunk> so the best way to resolv if to change the hostname in the domain name ?
[20:55:22] <sysmonk> my co-worker read it too, he liked the style and easness of reading it
[20:55:58] <seekwill> Definitely.
[20:56:20] <adnc> they fetch the really important and essential parts.
[20:56:33] <sysmonk> i missed more advanced stuff :(
[20:56:44] <adnc> MaybeDrunk: this could be really interesting for you, setting a mailserver which will probaply only work in your lan up
[20:59:20] <MaybeDrunk> adnc: no
[20:59:34] <MaybeDrunk> adnc: some server accept also mail from mine
[20:59:57] <MaybeDrunk> not all, but the onlyone i'm interesting recive the mail
[21:02:33] <MaybeDrunk> ok, tnx a lot for help
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[21:59:52] <suprsonic> is there a way to match a regex from an incoming email and the action is to forward to another address while still delivering?
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[22:06:49] <gonzzor> How can I create a "/dev/null" address, the server has only virtual delivery, no local?
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[22:08:34] <workdammit> is there an obvious cause to this error: fatal: /opt/local/etc/postfix/master.cf: line 44: bad transport type: smtp_send_xforward_command=yes
[22:08:54] <shasta> yes, syntax error in master.cf
[22:10:42] <workdammit> thanks shasta
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[22:12:54] <OneFix_Work> So, which is better DomainKeys or SPF?
[22:13:22] <workdammit> OneFix_Work: that's what i'm workin on right now.  i think you need both
[22:14:00] <seekwill> They do different things
[22:14:01] <seekwill> There'
[22:14:08] <seekwill> There's no problem in using both, however
[22:14:10] <shasta> which is better? fridge or vacuum cleaner?
[22:14:13] <workdammit> yahoo mail seems to be the place that likes you to have a domainkey
[22:14:22] <workdammit> fridge
[22:14:26] <workdammit> it's full of tasty stuff
[22:14:27] <seekwill> vacuum cleaner
[22:14:35] <workdammit> vacuum is full of yucky tasting stuff
[22:14:36] <shasta> seekwill, 'cause it sucks? ;>
[22:14:40] <seekwill> shasta: :)
[22:15:36] <workdammit> shasta thanks again i was about to throw this thing out the window.
[22:15:59] <seekwill> Also look into DKIM
[22:16:05] <OneFix_Work> RIght, I've heard that.
[22:16:27] <seekwill> Goodmail!
[22:16:42] <OneFix_Work> Do they require me to run a seperate service?
[22:17:03] <seekwill> I was kinda kidding
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[22:18:00] <seekwill> Depends on what you're doing
[22:18:11] <seekwill> The best thing to do is have a good IP reputation
[22:18:45] <workdammit> damn my domainkeys didn't work :(
[22:18:47] <seekwill> SPF/SID/DK/DKIM all help with that
[22:19:10] <workdammit> is there any diff between senderID and spf? i got confused about that, the microsoft tool to make me a sender ID made me an SPF
[22:19:32] <OneFix_Work> seekwill: Well, we have a department here that uses a company for mass emailing and Yahoo is asking us to implement DomainKeys.  I'm personally kind of against it, because it's an extra thing that can cause messages to be bounced
[22:19:34] <seekwill> They are different, but similar concept
[22:19:51] <sysmonk> one sucks, the other one sucks more
[22:20:00] <seekwill> OneFix_Work: Ah, ok. Why do you think it can cause messages to be bounced?
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[22:20:41] <seekwill> OneFix_Work: I _strongly_ disagree...
[22:21:20] <seekwill> What company do you guys use?
[22:21:30] <OneFix_Work> seekwill: Well, many providers will deny your messages if you have an SPF record and things don't match.
[22:22:02] <OneFix_Work> seekwill: It's a small web design company that runs this as a service
[22:23:06] <seekwill> heh
[22:23:10] <workdammit> so if domainkeys isn't working as in my emails get sent but they aren't gettin signed...does that mean my DNS record is messed up, or something i did to postfix is messed up?
[22:23:38] <seekwill> workdammit: If they aren't signed, then... they aren't signed. If the sign but don't VALIDATE, then your DNS could be the cause
[22:24:15] <seekwill> OneFix_Work: Ah... Ok, but you're mixing something up. SPF and DK are different. You mixed them up in your statements. In any case, make sure they match ;)
[22:24:45] <seekwill> OneFix_Work: How large is your mailing, and what are you mailing?
[22:25:20] * seekwill has to fix his DK as well... :/
[22:25:22] <workdammit> looks like they aren't getting signed at all.  as in there's nothing magical being added to the header.  i notice i have two smtp sections in master.cf maybe i put the filter line under the wrong one
[22:26:06] <seekwill> workdammit: Yeah, you should see a DK header.  Well, it's not your DNS :)
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[22:33:01] <workdammit> weird i get no domainkeys action when i send from the commandline on the box, but if i smtp through the box it does it. but yahoo still puts it in spam!
[22:34:23] <seekwill> Don't send spam! :)
[22:34:30] <seekwill> That's a whole other process
[22:34:36] <workdammit> this is so ridiculous
[22:34:55] <OneFix_Work> See, it's not spam.  These people said that they wanted the email on an application
[22:35:08] <seekwill> workdammit: It's probably because of your IP
[22:35:19] <seekwill> OneFix_Work: Sure, but Yahoo doesn't know that.
[22:35:24] <workdammit> i send from the commandline, with the same from address, and no domainkeys, and it gets to the inbox.  i send from a different box, with the same from address, and it has a passing domainkey! and gets marked spam!  must be the different content of the messages
[22:35:28] <seekwill> You guys realize that Yahoo is the LARGEST email provider?
[22:36:04] <workdammit> i'm probably explaining this poorly...all the mails get sent from the same box...some from it locally, some from another box that connects to it..you guys probably know that already
[22:36:05] <seekwill> workdammit: A lot of things are taken into consideration.
[22:37:07] <OneFix_Work> So, SPF is built into Postfix, but DomainKeys requires an addon
[22:37:17] <seekwill> SPF is not an MTA thing (for senders)
[22:38:28] <workdammit> yeah i think it's probably the content and subject line.  we have things like "click here to unsubscribe" and the words free, money, advertising, etc
[22:38:46] <workdammit> SPF is easy to set up for sending...you just put some stuff into your DNS records
[22:39:00] <workdammit> domainkeys has been a nightmare (for me anyway)
[22:39:05] <adnc> any mail that I pipe to applications and feed back to postfix do get a new id, is there a way to have them marked with the initial id again?
[22:39:23] <OneFix_Work> So, is DK-Milter the preferred method for using Postfix with DomainKeys?
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[22:40:09] <workdammit> i feel like a paraplegic that just got thrown into a pool.  our mailserver is running solaris, and i barely know linux...and everything is different
[22:40:38] <suprsonic> something wrong workdammit?
[22:40:48] <workdammit> OneFix_Work: i tried dk-milter but ended up just using dkfilter, this blog post saved my butt: http://hotops.blogspot.com/
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[22:41:56] <seekwill> workdammit: Solaris :) heh
[22:42:42] <OneFix_Work> workdammit: Thanks
[22:43:08] <OneFix_Work> workdammit: You seen anything on SPF?
[22:44:03] <workdammit> suprsonic: nah it's workin now, i just dunno how to do package management on solaris, and once i figured that out, there was no package for dkfilter, so i tried installing from source, but the libraries weren't gettin found...nightmare
[22:44:41] * suprsonic love FreeBSD's ports system.
[22:45:13] <workdammit> OneFix_Work: yeah SPF is a piece of cake, openspf.org was down all day yesterday and might still be today..try this guy http://wizard.easyspf.com/
[22:46:24] <seekwill> workdammit: Yeah, those kinds of words don't work too well from new IPs. It'll take a while to generate an IP reputation. The best thing for you to do is to mark them as Not Spam...
[22:46:47] <workdammit> the trickiest thing with it (for me) was in the DNS record you create a TXT record with a value like "v=spf1 a a:smtp1.fb.joyent.us include:aspmx.googlemail.com ~all" and i didn't realize i had to put quotes around it in the TXT record
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[22:55:14] <seekwill> Check out http://www.espcoalition.org/senderid/
[22:55:57] <seekwill> Don't listen to their DKIM results
[22:56:13] <adnc> workdammit: do you own aspmx.googlemail.com?
[22:56:39] <workdammit> adnc: no. we use google apps, that's how you allow emails from your domain to be sent from google apps boxes
[22:56:57] <adnc> you can also test your setting by sending a mail to sa-test at sendmail dot net
[22:57:21] <adnc> workdammit: your spf record should point to the domain or ip that is allowed to send mail for
[22:57:50] <adnc> s/spf/txt
[22:58:15] <workdammit> we send mail to our customer from smtp1.fb.joyent.us and our company email gets sent from google apps.  obviously we want all of it to pass SPF
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[22:58:45] <workdammit> adnc: http://www.google.com/support/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=33786
[23:00:37] <adnc> workdammit: sa-test will also test senderid spf dkim and domainkey
[23:00:44] <adnc> sa-test at sendmail dot net
[23:01:31] <workdammit> cool thanks adnc i will try tht
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[23:02:23] <adnc> workdammit: the principle is to set the allowed domains to send mail, and this information is set in the dns txt record
[23:02:37] <adnc> so if googlemail is wanted than this is ok.
[23:02:49] <workdammit> adnc: yep :)
[23:07:44] <seekwill> adnc: I sent a mail to sa-test at sendmail dot net, didn't get a reply :(
[23:08:05] <seekwill> Nevermind :)
[23:08:30] <seekwill> Yeah, my DK is broken
[23:08:53] <adnc> hehe
[23:09:03] <adnc> sa-test at sendmail dot net works great
[23:09:24] <adnc> seekwill: didnt it answer yet?
[23:09:55] <adnc> seekwill: you can also use echo at charite dot de
[23:10:08] <adnc> and look into the headers of your mail which is included in the reply
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[23:11:22] <seekwill> adnc: Yeah, I got an answer. Just a little late
[23:13:35] <seekwill> Man, I need to host a mailing list or something... I need more volume through my mailserver
[23:13:51] <adnc> seekwill: dont say this
[23:14:00] <seekwill> What?
[23:14:11] <adnc> soon you will have more traffic
[23:14:15] <seekwill> Good!
[23:14:18] <adnc> hehe
[23:14:19] <adnc> no good
[23:14:23] <seekwill> Yes good
[23:14:26] <adnc> ok
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[23:15:26] <adnc> seekwill: i've a googlemail account which receives hundrets of spam mails daily
[23:15:33] <adnc> if you like i can forward them to you
[23:15:35] <seekwill> Sure
[23:15:43] <adnc> ;)
[23:15:45] <seekwill> "hundreds" is small
[23:15:58] <adnc> you just have to reply to them
[23:16:13] <seekwill> Well, not looking to block spam. That's already taken care of
[23:16:14] <adnc> the increasing will be in e^x function wise
[23:16:26] <seekwill> I want legit mail :P
[23:16:33] <adnc> then let them pass
[23:16:34] <seekwill> Which is why I want to host a mailing list
[23:16:46] <seekwill> That's not the point
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[23:29:51] <workdammit> uh oh i just tried to change from my test selector to a real selector and broke it
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[23:31:51] <workdammit> oh pff i messed up the dns key name
[23:31:53] <workdammit> phew
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