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[00:06:43] <blake> does anyone have any good documentation on integrating postfix with amavisd? I'm trying to follow some stuff but its not working. seems postfix isn't able to connect to amavis
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[00:22:00] <j2^> goodevening
[00:22:19] <j2^> I am trying to figure out something very simple.. If i want to use more then one mapping file. What is the syntax?
[00:22:24] <j2^> Right now i have relay_recipient_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/relay-names
[00:22:57] <j2^> do i add another line with "relay_recipient_maps = hash:something", or is the syntax different?
[00:23:13] <Trengo> j2^ i think they're comma separated
[00:23:24] <j2^> Since the config directive is "maps", i would guess they are separated?
[00:23:33] <blake> or you can just add them with whitespace separting them. works fine in my config
[00:23:41] <j2^> Trengo: Yeah, i woudl assume so.. but call me stupid.. i cannot find the document that supports that notion.
[00:24:04] <lunaphyte> comma or whitespace
[00:24:22] <j2^> blake: Aha! Do you know where in the documentation i can find this? Grud knows that i have _looked_ :)
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[00:25:56] <lunaphyte> j2^: man postconf
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[00:27:19] <j2^> lunaphyte: Yeah.. but now i searched for "comma" "separated" without hits...
[00:28:19] <Trengo> j2^ i grepped main.cf for alias
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[00:30:57] <blake> j2^: the relay_recipient_maps entry doesn't particuarly cover the whitespace and search order thing, but its a table lookup the same as most other parameters accept
[00:31:22] <blake> for instance authorized_mailq_users says " Specify  a  list  of user names, "/file/name" or "type:table" patterns,
[00:31:25] <blake>        separated by commas and/or whitespace. The  list  is  matched  left  to
[00:31:27] <blake>        right,  and the search stops on the first match."
[00:31:44] <j2^> blake: Fair enough. I will use that as a reference :)
[00:31:48] <blake> AFAIK seraches through relay_recipient_maps work the same way
[00:31:52] <j2^> (I just need _something_) :)
[00:31:55] <blake> :)
[00:33:09] <j2^> so... relay_domains, relay_recipient_maps, and transport_maps _Should_ work the same way?
[00:33:23] <j2^> considering they are all in the plural form.. I would assume "yes"?
[00:33:39] <blake> in regards to separting various lookup tables by whitespace or commas, yes
[00:33:55] <blake> I use my system like that. works fine.
[00:34:16] <j2^> Great.. Now bed... Thanks heaps for your help! :)
[00:34:21] <blake> np
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[00:38:00] <travis_b> How can I stop postfix from sending messages to a certain domain like @example.com?
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[00:55:16] <higuita> travis_b: use the transport and map the destination to /dev/null maybe?
[00:55:47] <higuita> or better, use a virtual domain, @example.com   nobody
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[00:56:22] <higuita> so that postfix things that he is the final destination for that domain and deliver it to the nobody (/dev/null)
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[00:59:22] <travis_b> higuita: yes it's coming from a machine that is allowed to relay so I don't want post fix to deliver it to any place but /dev/null
[01:01:25] <higuita> travis_b: i have used in the past the virtual domain trick redirecting to the nobody...
[01:02:51] <higuita> the transport might also be a solution, but i never used it or think about it... might also be a dead end;)
[01:03:50] <travis_b> k thanks
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[03:19:55] <richard_> hey
[03:20:19] <richard_> my postfix server today decided that it would take like 30 seconds from when the HELO is sent to when it responds
[03:20:47] <richard_> one of the dns servers in my resolv.conf is down, so i commented it out and rebooted the server and its still slow
[03:20:49] <richard_> any ideas?
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[03:23:22] <lunaphyte> !tell richard_ showme
[03:23:25] <knoba> richard_: -> "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
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[03:25:47] <richard_> http://pastebin.com/dac8d82d
[03:38:08] <lunaphyte> when exactly is the delay?
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[03:39:11] <lunaphyte> make sure you remove the bogus nameserver from the resolv.conf file in the postfix chroot
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[03:52:36] <richard_> the delay is imeediately after the HELO is sent
[03:52:50] <richard_> it takes quite some time to get the response back after that
[03:53:03] <richard_> i forgot about that, i'll have a look there, thanks.
[03:53:16] <richard_> i have to run... thanks for your hepl guys
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[04:04:26] <neurodamage> how can I allow relaying through SMTP sasl_auth only
[04:04:56] <neurodamage> I thought smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated, took care of that?
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[04:09:14] <lunaphyte> yes
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[04:12:39] <neurodamage> lunaphyte: interesting still getting rejects due to Relay Access Denied :(
[04:18:16] <neurodamage> lunaphyte: yeah still getting those errors unfortunately
[04:22:28] <lunaphyte> !tell neurodamage showme
[04:22:29] <knoba> neurodamage: -> "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
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[04:27:21] <neurodamage> http://rafb.net/p/edSVR774.html
[04:27:28] <neurodamage> knoba: there she is? did you want to see main.cf?
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[04:32:23] <neurodamage> http://rafb.net/p/OS5lpZ47.html
[04:32:31] <neurodamage> and that's my current error being output in the log files :)
[04:41:49] <neurodamage> knoba: you disappear on me?
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[04:58:03] <hparker> neurodamage|away: knoba is a bot :P
[04:59:54] <neurodamage|away> hparker: oh well then, that was exciting :)
[05:00:05] <neurodamage|away> I hate it when I get tricked by those darned things :)
[05:00:12] <hparker> chat the bot up if you wish ;)
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[05:54:23] <neurodamage|away> hparker: I'd love to if it would give me the answers I needed :)
[05:54:26] <neurodamage|away> knoba: hel
[05:54:33] <neurodamage|away> knoba: help
[05:54:36] <neurodamage|away> knoba: '
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[05:54:49] <neurodamage> knoba: hello?
[05:55:39] <hparker> !help
[05:55:40] <knoba> hparker: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[05:55:54] <hparker> !factoid
[05:55:55] <knoba> hparker: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[05:56:06] <hparker> !hparker
[05:56:06] <knoba> hparker: "hparker" : is a shining example of chivalry and champaign (but still b0rk3n)
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[06:03:26] <Haris1> !Haris
[06:03:28] <knoba> Haris1: Error: "Haris" is not a valid command.
[06:03:29] <Haris1> lol
[06:03:31] <Haris1> !Haris1
[06:03:31] <knoba> Haris1: Error: "Haris1" is not a valid command.
[06:03:40] <Haris1> I kind of like it better this way
[06:04:22] <ekontsevoy> I've been googling and reading RFC docs all day. Is it even possible to have SSL-encrypted transport layer between two public SMTP servers? I.e. can I run my company's SMTP server on port #25 and instruct others (gmail, hotmail, etc) to issue STARTTLS and encrypt everything (auth and data)?
[06:05:50] <hparker> If they want to send that way they will... If you force the issue you will lose mail
[06:07:01] <ekontsevoy> hparker: yeah, gmail refuses to issue STARTTLS
[06:07:08] <ekontsevoy> for incoming mail...
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[06:35:52] <Motoko-chan> There is no way to demand SSL from incoming servers.
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[07:20:26] <jeev> Sep 17 22:18:03 monsoon postfix/smtp[22824]: C05D74FCB65: to=<sa-test at sendmail dot net>, relay=smtp.sendmail.net[209.246.26.21]:25, delay=412, delays=410/0.02/0.41/2.3, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host smtp.sendmail.net[209.246.26.21] said: 451 4.7.0 resolver returned TRY_AGAIN (in reply to end of DATA command))
[07:20:26] <jeev> wow
[07:20:33] <jeev> lol, why did my shit defer my dkim test
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[07:40:04] <greed> Hey guys, Is there an option like "permit_backup_mx" and say "permit_backup_mx_network" that I can set i'll backup mx for any domains on my subnet, Without having a MX record in DNS for this machine ?
[07:46:33] <f3ew> !permit_mx_backup_networks
[07:46:34] <knoba> f3ew: "permit_mx_backup_networks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Restrict the use of the permit_mx_backup SMTP access feature to only domains whose primary MX hosts match the listed networks.
[07:47:04] <f3ew> You always need the MX record though
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[08:07:09] <Knoedel2> morning
[08:07:19] <Knoedel2> i'm get this error with policy-weight: "cache_query: $csock couln't be created: connect: No such file"
[08:07:32] <Knoedel2> any idea that file he's missing ?
[08:14:34] <greed> f3ew: Thanks. Know of any decent smtp proxy software I can use instead ? And even better would be if it passed the authentication to the server behind the proxy
[08:14:54] <f3ew> Knoedel2 no clue
[08:14:54] <greed> f3ew: And only greylisted and looked at data part of email
[08:14:56] <f3ew> greed no
[08:15:12] <jeev> anyone here run dkim :/
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[08:17:36] <Knoedel2> jeev whats the problem ?
[08:21:26] <jeev> uh, i'm using amavisd-new, what i did was took my amavisd.conf and postfix fodler, re-set up everything, sql and what not
[08:21:28] <jeev> everything working great
[08:21:33] <jeev> incoming dkim verification from east coast server is fine
[08:21:43] <jeev> when i send from west coast to east coast of dkim tester, it fails
[08:21:50] <jeev> dkim=softfail (fail, bad RSA signature)
[08:21:57] <jeev> i'm using the same key, same key in dns, same everything
[08:21:59] <jeev> there is no reason to fail
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[08:43:57] <msshams> this is part of my master.cf file: i have amavis and i want to have dkfilter. but all of these packages must be in master.cf and get emails before queue. after some changes postfix can't get and send email. can you help me please?
[08:44:12] <msshams> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47975/
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[09:44:31] <jeev> i can't find the explanation, one domain on the mailserver works with DKIM, the other does't.. they're using the same keys, same dns, same everything.
[09:44:42] <jeev> all DKIM on the other server works great.. maybe it's some bad cache, i'll wait till tomorrow,
[09:51:14] <jeev> must be cache
[09:51:18] <jeev> dkim-test at mtcc dot com is reporting pass
[09:51:34] <jeev> autorespond+dkim at dk dot elansys or whatever is resporting fail
[09:51:40] <jeev> and both are reporting pass for other one
[09:52:01] <jeev> sleep time
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[10:17:29] <vaq> Does anybody know if there exists a plugin for postfix/mailscanner that can query the mail server destination of a domain to validate the existence of a mail account? - I run a mailscanner gateway and almost 90% of all recieved emails are for accounts that do not exist.
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[10:20:30] <f3ew> !reject_unverified_recipient
[10:20:31] <knoba> f3ew: "reject_unverified_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A sender or recipient address is verified by probing the nearest MTA for that address, without actually delivering mail. Probe messages are like normal mail, except that they are never delivered, deferred or bounced; probe messages are discarded.
[10:20:34] <f3ew> !mailscanner
[10:20:35] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "mailscanner" is not a valid command.
[10:21:24] <vaq> f3ew: So reject_unverified_recipient will probe the destination MTA for the domain to validate the existence of the email account before allowing it into the queue?
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[10:24:50] <f3ew> Yes
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[10:26:17] <vaq> f3ew: so what i need in my main.cf is:  smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_unverified_recipient right?
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[10:28:24] <f3ew> along with permit_mynetworks and rejest_unauth_destination
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[10:28:36] <f3ew> OTOH, where are those messages coming from?
[10:28:41] <f3ew> From a single user?
[10:29:00] <vaq> f3ew: no from many servers spamming my users's MTA's
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[10:29:46] <f3ew> Hmmm
[10:29:56] <f3ew> so configure those servers better?
[10:30:55] <vaq> Yes, but if I can stop the mails at my first entry that would be better?
[10:30:57] <vaq> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_unverified_recipient
[10:31:14] <vaq> doesnt seem to work, mails for mailboxes that does not exist are still delivered to the final MTA
[10:31:43] * f3ew is confused
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[10:32:02] <f3ew> Are you acting as an antispam service/MX host for various users?
[10:32:10] <f3ew> and want to relay?
[10:32:17] <vaq> yes, and those users are on other MTA servers
[10:32:22] <f3ew> but you need to verify if those accounts are valid?
[10:32:25] <vaq> i want my spam gateway to verify the user at the final MTA
[10:32:29] <f3ew> Ah, moment
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[10:34:34] <f3ew> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks,       reject_unauth_destination,      check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helos,      check_sender_access     pcre:/etc/postfix/sender.pcre     check_client_access     hash:/etc/postfix/blacklisted_clients   check_client_access     hash:/etc/postfix/whitelisted_clients   check_helo_access proxy:pgsql:/etc/postfix/postgres-helo.cf,        reject_invalid_helo_hostname  reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname        rejec
[10:34:34] <f3ew> t_unknown_reverse_client_hostname     reject_unverified_recipient     reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org        reject_rbl_client dnsbl.sorbs.net       reject_rbl_client psbl.surriel.com
[10:34:41] <f3ew> those are mine
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[10:35:52] <vaq> f3ew: could you paste that at pastebin.ca please? :)
[10:37:00] <vaq> f3ew: But what in that list makes your postfix server to query the final destination MTA for validating the account?
[10:38:03] <f3ew> reject_unverified_recipient
[10:38:56] <vaq> f3ew: but (smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_unverified_recipient) didn't work for me?  -  My MTA still accept e-mails for non-existing accounts.
[10:39:08] <f3ew> vaq logs?
[10:39:18] <f3ew> Do you see the relevant callouts in your logs?
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[10:40:55] <kaushal> hi
[10:41:15] <kaushal> I am using postfix with nagios
[10:41:35] <kaushal> I have moved nagios from hostA to hostB
[10:42:03] <gstaniak> hi
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[10:42:22] <kaushal> the issue is i still get email alerts as hostAnagios
[10:42:37] <kaushal> i want to change it to hostBnagios
[10:43:24] <vaq> f3ew: seems like it works now, one momemt.
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[10:44:02] <f3ew> Isn't that a nagios config issue?
[10:44:02] <kaushal> gstaniak, where can i look for to do this changes
[10:44:16] <gstaniak> are you aware of a tool for tracing postfix logs? there's a choice of utilities that summarize logs, but i need to trace a letter from time to time, do i need to write a script, or is there already something available?
[10:44:26] <kaushal> f3ew, ok
[10:44:40] <gstaniak> kaushal: sorry, i was posting for help too ;)
[10:44:50] <f3ew> gstaniak grep
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[10:45:16] <kaushal> f3ew, can you provide me some hint
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[10:45:32] <vaq> f3ew: but now i have a heavly bounce where i send out mails telling the account do not exist, how do i turn that off?
[10:45:32] <gstaniak> f3ew: yeah, but with amavis and such ids get rewritten and it's a bit too much grepping
[10:45:47] <f3ew> kaushal, Since Nagios sends out mails, the configuration value is in your nagios config
[10:46:01] <kaushal> ok
[10:46:07] <f3ew> vaq, you shouldn't have bounces, Postfix should be rejecting mail
[10:46:28] <f3ew> gstaniak, then no
[10:46:35] <f3ew> you'll have to script it
[10:46:47] <f3ew> Actually, let me see if an ancient script of mine is around
[10:48:45] <vaq> f3ew: oh sorry, that wasn't what i meant, I get alot of emails at postmaster@localhost about the status when validating the account like: Subject: Postfix SMTP server: errors from unknown[201.218.204.158]
[10:48:48] <vaq> f3ew: how do i turn that off?
[10:50:41] <gstaniak> f3ew: ok, thanks. i was going to sit down and check if i still remember how to write in python, but i thought perhaps i'd check if there's something out there
[10:53:26] <f3ew> Hmmm, no
[10:53:33] <f3ew> Can't find the Perl script
[10:53:45] <f3ew> vaq notify_classes
[10:54:16] <gstaniak> f3ew: thanks anyway, see you
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[10:56:04] <vaq> f3ew: do you know what i mean?
[10:57:42] <vaq> f3ew: I send many mails out like this: http://pastebin.com/m320eb6f8
[10:57:59] <djerem> is posftix doing some kind of dns caching? (when I switch to a vpn connection, postfix can not resolve relayhost, but if I do "host relayhost" it's working ; I need to restart posftix to make it work ; so I'm wondering if posftix is doing some kind of dns caching?)
[10:58:06] <vaq> f3ew: after enabling reject_unverified_recipient
[10:59:34] <f3ew> djerem, Postfix relies on the local resolver library
[11:00:04] <f3ew> are you .dk or .fr?
[11:00:15] <vaq> f3ew: .dk
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[11:01:00] <f3ew> Got enough free space?
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[11:01:05] <vaq> yes
[11:01:30] <vaq> how do i disable these messages
[11:01:38] <f3ew> the logs seem to indicate that your server is complaining about lack of free space on the partition with the queue
[11:01:53] <f3ew> what do yuor logs say
[11:01:54] <f3ew> ?
[11:02:15] <vaq> "/dev/xvdc1             20G  4.6G   16G  23% /var
[11:02:38] <f3ew> logs?
[11:03:27] <vaq> f3ew: they are fine, the final MTA has free space too
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[11:05:32] <vaq> f3ew: how do I disable these messages?
[11:09:32] <rcsu> !mailbox_size_limit
[11:09:33] <knoba> rcsu: "mailbox_size_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal size of any local(8) individual mailbox or maildir file. In fact, this limits the size of any file that is written to upon local delivery, including files written by external commands that are executed by the local(8) delivery agent.
[11:09:54] <djerem> f3ew: but if 'host relayhost' is working, posftix should manage to resolve it?
[11:09:57] <rcsu> vaq: have you set this ?
[11:10:57] <vaq> rcsu: not in main.cf aint it a default value somewhere?
[11:11:39] <rcsu> vaq: psotconf -v | grep mailbox
[11:11:54] <vaq> rcsu: mailbox_size_limit = 0
[11:13:29] <Abs0lootBeginner> STRANGE EXPANSION GOIN ON: i run a lil postfix mailserver at home using dyndns hostnames and some local hostnames. this config runs quite good. but today i found out some STRANGE behaviour i cannot locate where it is coming from or WHY. PROBLEM: if i do send a mail (using a smtp mail client or mailx) to e.g. " root@localhost " it will get expandet to something like " root at localhost dot homeip.net " and i dont se
[11:15:27] <Abs0lootBeginner> I have set "localhost" as a mydestination - but anyway it somehow expands and rewrites it to @localhost.homeip.net - some idea where this could be located ?
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[11:23:22] <Abs0lootBeginner> oh i forgot!! postfix DOES NOT expand/rewrite hostnames/domains like root@freiburg or mail at freiburg dot lan - only @localhost becomes @localhost.homeip.net  - im lost
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[11:24:47] <Abs0lootBeginner> any suggesions ?
[11:25:04] <Abs0lootBeginner> +t
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[12:04:27] <Abs0lootBeginner> duh ?! paralyzed people in here only...
[12:05:03] <sysmonk> yes, only paralyzed...
[12:05:27] <sysmonk> don't forget that people here are from different timezones
[12:05:38] <sysmonk> and that this is not the same as commercial support
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[12:17:14] <Abs0lootBeginner> yes i know that. (allways those same phrases...tssss)
[12:19:46] <Trengo> if you know, why did you say that?
[12:26:06] <frido> how is it with procmail ? if I specify in main.cf as mailbox_command = procmail -m /etc/procmailrc it will ignore user's $HOME/.procmailrc files ?
[12:27:24] <Abs0lootBeginner> because i know a lot opensource/support chats/topics worldwide and there been ALWAYS a quicker response but here.
[12:28:39] <sysmonk> maybe your question is not good enough?
[12:28:47] <sysmonk> like, maybe you didn't even read the topic?
[12:28:59] <sysmonk> have you read the topic on other channels?
[12:29:10] <Abs0lootBeginner> and i hate those nerds talking about "u dont pay us so we dont need to"... im into opensource support myself (noncomercial/free) and i know how things run here.. dont need some smarty ass to tell me every day
[12:29:49] <sysmonk> !sweet
[12:29:50] <knoba> sysmonk: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[12:34:55] <Trengo> Abs0lootBeginner i really dont believe you
[12:35:50] <Trengo> anyone who answers questions like this, inevitably gets tired of no thanks, abuse, and irritation from people who apparently think they are entitled to an immediate answer
[12:35:51] <sysmonk> Trengo: i don't believe that a person who is 'into opensource support myself' can talk like that
[12:36:03] <sysmonk> yup
[12:36:08] <Trengo> sysmonk exactly
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[12:56:29] <netcrash> hello , good morning , Email confirmation receiptes that I believe not being implemented in smtp protocol. Usually how does it work ?
[12:57:08] <netcrash> it's the client choice of implementation is there any rfc , or anything related to this
[12:59:22] <sysmonk> netcrash: there are 2 'confirmation receipts' - delivery and read
[12:59:36] <sysmonk> delivery is done on smtp part, read is done on the mua part
[13:00:25] <netcrash> where can I read about it ?
[13:00:34] <sysmonk> !dsn
[13:00:34] <knoba> sysmonk: "dsn" : Delivery Status Notifications - See: http://linuxnet.ca/postfix/docs/DSN_README.html
[13:01:47] <k-man_> so i have set up and installed postgrey
[13:01:52] <k-man_> how can i tell if its working?
[13:02:30] <jelly> mails are being delayed?  look at logs?
[13:02:52] <netcrash> knoba: thank you , that's what I was looking for .
[13:03:34] <sysmonk> all the glory goes to knoba ;(
[13:04:44] <netcrash> ups sorry, sysmonk thank you !!! Very helpfull !! :D You the man !
[13:04:55] <sysmonk> ;PP
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[13:05:18] <k-man_> jelly, well... i can't see anything about postgrey in the logs
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[13:19:48] <adnc> hello, when i want to send a mail to every user i send to a alias which lists all the users, which requires me to add new users to the alias list. is there a easier way covering all users?
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[13:21:58] <frido> for what is useful -a parameter in procmail ?
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[13:39:19] <felet> frido: http://partmaps.org/era/procmail/mini-faq.html search for "-a"
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[13:43:49] <frido> I'm trying to debug for 2-3 days, why when I have set postfix+procmail Maildir delivery, why is procmail creating also empty files in /var/mail
[13:44:24] <frido> mails are correctly delivered to $HOME/Maildir but procmail also creates empty files with username in /var/mail
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[13:56:27] <markoa> Hi folks
[13:56:34] <markoa> when I run testsaslauthd -u user -p pass
[13:56:42] <markoa> I get this:
[13:56:43] <markoa> connect() : No such file or directory
[13:56:43] <markoa> 0:
[13:56:51] <markoa> what does that mean?
[14:06:01] <felet> it meens that there is no such file or directory :P
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[14:15:08] <Trengo> markoa perhaps saslauthd isnt running?
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[14:17:51] <markoa> hmm saslauthd is running: http://pastie.org/274878
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[14:25:38] <markoa> I mean does anybody know what is testsaslauthd trying to do in the process?
[14:26:38] <markoa> or, how can I make saslauthd log to mail.log more verbosely?
[14:26:43] <Knoedel2> (08:07) <Knoedel2> i'm get this error with policy-weight: "cache_query: $csock couln't be created: connect: No such file"
[14:26:43] <Knoedel2> (08:07) <Knoedel2> any idea that file he's missing ?
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[14:29:17] <markoa> when I telnet to domain 25 I see both of these:
[14:29:17] <markoa> 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
[14:29:23] <markoa> 250-AUTH=PLAIN LOGIN
[14:29:27] <markoa> is that a problem?
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[14:30:59] <cluebuntu> morning all
[14:31:09] <cluebuntu> need some help with an ubuntu postfix server
[14:31:26] <cluebuntu> and setting it up with an existing suse ldap server
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[14:32:08] <cluebuntu> anyone out there able to help me?
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[14:34:45] <cluebuntu> anyone out there at all?
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[14:49:23] <cpm> http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html
[14:50:40] <sysmonk> http://www.postfix.org/CPM_README.html
[14:50:52] <cpm> !sysmonk
[14:50:53] <knoba> cpm: "sysmonk" : evil
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[15:00:17] <cluebuntu> anyone on yet that can give some postfix advice?
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[15:01:09] * robtone_ can give one advice, use postmap
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[15:01:27] * robtone_ is out of advices
[15:02:22] <sysmonk> !robtone_
[15:02:23] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "robtone_" is not a valid command.
[15:02:32] <sysmonk> !learn robtone_ as sucks at advising
[15:02:34] <sysmonk> !robtone_
[15:02:36] <knoba> sysmonk: "robtone_" : sucks at advising
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[15:06:12] <robtone_> oh there, the context! Its about LDAP and postfix.
[15:06:19] <robtone_> well, use postmap, still ;-)
[15:06:39] <robtone_> resp. postalias, whatever :-)
[15:06:50] <sysmonk> oh my
[15:06:56] <sysmonk> you still suck at advising :))
[15:07:19] <robtone_> to true.
[15:09:35] <cpm> cluebuntu, you have already been given advice.
[15:09:48] <Rayn> Hey folks, my postfix uses a regexp table to do lots of address rewriting (for our many virtual domains), however this seems to break local_recipient_maps somehow.. the server accepts mail for any account at all. Does postfix only check once that the address is mappable? not twice as it should in this case so that it comes up with a valid recipient?
[15:11:13] <sysmonk> Rayn: in your case, if the address matches a regexp - postfix will accept it, as the email might (or might not) be on your system
[15:11:50] <Rayn> ah... is there a better way to do this kind of thing? the regexp table mostly rewrites user@extradomain to user@maindomain
[15:12:49] <Rayn> the problem is that spam comes into these fake addresses and then somehow amavis generates a NDR when it tries to hand off the scanned mail to postfix, which results in backscatter
[15:13:09] <sysmonk> sure, make that static, not dynamic
[15:13:28] <Rayn> like, one entry per user per fake domain?
[15:13:30] <sysmonk> or, if you have this stuff in sql, you can do some sql magic to do that automatically
[15:13:34] <sysmonk> yes
[15:13:38] <Rayn> heh...
[15:13:44] <cluebuntu> I need to find a good replacement for MS exchange that has single user creation (LDAP) address books etc. I currently have a basic postfix server using local accounts for access on Ubuntu and also have a Suse server with LDAP configured. Is there a way to get the two to work? If not can you suggest a good place to look at building a complete solution?
[15:13:45] <Rayn> I guess I could do the sql thing
[15:14:28] <Rayn> is there a simple way to disable bounce from generating non-delivery reports on a specific smtpd?
[15:14:28] <f3ew> cluebuntu zimbra
[15:14:29] <sysmonk> cluebuntu: you didn't mention word 'free'.
[15:16:55] <robtone_> cluebuntu, probably: http://www.postfix-book.com/toc.html
[15:17:05] <robtone_> Chapter 19: A Company Mail Server
[15:17:45] <robtone_> Haven't read that book, though.
[15:17:47] <cluebuntu> thanks I'll have a look
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[15:19:47] <robtone_> what's so wrong with http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html anyway?
[15:20:06] <cluebuntu> not bright enough to understand it
[15:20:42] * robtone_ neither I obviously would have to read it 10 times
[15:21:21] <robtone_> but, until now Wietses readmes were always sufficient
[15:21:39] <cluebuntu> let me ask this....is ubuntu a good distro for postfix? or should I choose something else?
[15:22:39] <robtone_> it's linux, so it doesn't matter ;-)
[15:22:40] <Rayn> I'm using ubuntu and it works great
[15:23:39] <frido> I'm trying to debug why procmail in my Maildir confiration creates empty files in /var/mail/$LOGNAME (delivery to Maildir works fine)
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[15:23:59] <frido> if I set in main.cf mailbox_command = strace -fFo /tmp/debug -s 100 /usr/bin/procmail
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[15:24:35] <frido> mails are delivered correctly and no /var/mail/$LOGNAME empty file is created and mail is delivered by procmail to Maildir
[15:24:44] <frido> in I set only mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail
[15:24:48] <frido> s/in/if
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[15:25:03] <frido> it creates (touch) also /var/mail/$LOGNAME file
[15:25:13] <frido> so I cant debug it with strace :-(
[15:25:16] <frido> any idea please ?
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[15:31:46] <AMorozov> Hi!
[15:32:01] <AMorozov> I have a question regarding virtual mail hosting in postfix.
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[15:34:25] <AMorozov> I've setup a postfix server (Deb/4.0 Postfix/2.3.8) with a very basic config and added a virtual mailbox domain (test5.com) and few "required" addresses aliased to some "real" addresses, particularly postmaster at test5 dot com -> postmaster
[15:35:34] <AMorozov> So in hash:/path/to/virtual_domains I have smth like this:test5.com       test5.com
[15:36:21] <AMorozov> and in hash:/path/to/virtual there are postmaster at test5 dot com    postmasterabuse at test5 dot com abuseinfo at test5 dot com  info
[15:37:11] <AMorozov> now when I send an e-mail (via /bin/mail or localhost:25) to postmaster at test5 dot com it's delevered to root (as expected)
[15:38:05] <AMorozov> But if I connect to the SMTP server from the outside it says RCPT TO: <postmaster at test5 dot com>554 5.7.1 <postmaster at test5 dot com>: Recipient address rejected: Access denied
[15:39:51] <AMorozov> So the question is how to explain to _SMTP_ server that test5.com is now a "valid domain" for accepting mail from outside.
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[15:42:39] * cpm notes that there is *no* drop in replacement for Exchange. period.
[15:43:51] <jelly> cpm: good job, MS!
[15:43:58] <sysmonk> ;)))
[15:44:14] <cpm> jelly, no kidding.
[15:44:43] <cpm> they've managed to obfuscate/pre-break stuff to the point that it just can't be replaced. You can get close, but you can't get it all.
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[15:49:16] <sysmonk> yeah, you can't brake postfix that much
[15:49:21] <sysmonk> it's not that flexible at breaking
[15:49:21] <sysmonk> ;(
[15:49:30] <sysmonk> and postfix is delivered with no open-relay by default :(
[15:52:14] <lunaphyte_> what a p.o.s.
[15:52:15] <AMorozov> sysmonk: is it the answer to my question?
[15:53:22] <lunaphyte_> !virtual
[15:53:23] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[15:53:27] <lunaphyte_> !basic
[15:53:28] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[15:53:40] <lunaphyte_> !tell AMorozov showme
[15:53:41] <knoba> AMorozov: -> "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
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[15:59:08] <AMorozov> Just a moment.
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[16:04:53] <AMorozov> http://pastebin.com/m31cf0043
[16:06:51] <AMorozov> well, with DBs content: http://pastebin.com/m169ee07d
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[16:11:28] <vice-versa> AMorozov: are you authenticating to the server from the remote host?
[16:11:57] <AMorozov> and I should note: messages to postmaster at test5 dot com are delivered (to postmaster->root) if sent via /bin/mail or via localhost:25
[16:12:06] <AMorozov> vice-versa: not of course.
[16:13:38] <vice-versa> you have a spurious comma in mydestination, smtpd_recipient_restrictions is way to restrictive
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[16:22:24] <AMorozov> the problem was in "reject" directive in smtpd_recipient_restrictions. Debconf added it and I haven't noticed/understood what it means.
[16:24:12] <vice-versa> right, as you discovered, the way smtpd_recipient_restrictions was configured only localhost could deliver mail to the server
[16:25:22] <AMorozov> But it still received messages for users in the "real domain".
[16:25:53] <AMorozov> Smth I can't call "logically correct". But anyway thank you all for help!
[16:26:01] <AMorozov> Bye
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[16:27:34] <vice-versa> don't see how that was possible, but meh, what do I know
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[16:32:47] <frido> vice-versa: hi, remember me (~2 days before), I was talking about creating empty files in /var/mail/$LOGNAME when Maildir delivery with postfix/procmail is set
[16:32:49] <frido> ?
[16:32:59] <vice-versa> yes
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[16:34:28] <frido> vice-versa: I was doing today debug and it looks like procmail bug
[16:34:39] <frido> vice-versa: he create this file before reading /etc/procmailrc
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[16:35:52] <frido> vice-versa: if you can look here plz, http://www.gympos.sk/~frido/debug.full
[16:36:16] <vice-versa> ahh, in your debugging was procmail looking for a .procmailrc before dir creation?
[16:37:18] <frido> vice-versa: procmail is working with files in /var/mail before he read /etc/procmailrc
[16:38:31] <frido> link("/var/mail/_K2D.mhl0IB.space", "/var/mail/root") = 0
[16:38:46] <frido> unlink("/var/mail/_K2D.mhl0IB.space") = 0
[16:38:51] <frido> 15754 open("/etc/procmailrc", O_RDONLY) = 4
[16:39:21] <vice-versa> open("/root/.procmailrc", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[16:40:04] <frido> and ?
[16:40:30] <vice-versa> does that happen before or after what you pasted above?
[16:40:32] <frido> MAILDIR is defined in /etc/pricmailrc of course
[16:41:07] <frido> open("/root/.procmailrc" is after what I've pasted
[16:41:18] <frido> you can see this in debug
[16:43:29] <vice-versa> is /var/mail hard coded into procmail?
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[16:45:19] <frido> it looks...yes
[16:45:38] <frido> #define MAILSPOOLDIR    "/var/mail/"         /* watch the trailing / */
[16:47:59] <frido> http://deekayen.net/openbsd-3-4-email-server
[16:48:08] <vice-versa> wonder how it would react if /var/mail didn't exist
[16:48:10] <frido> look for "edit authenticate.c~"
[16:48:24] <frido> change line:  #define MAILSPOOLDIR   "/var/spool/mail/"
[16:48:31] <frido> to: #define MAILSPOOLDIR   ""
[16:48:36] <vice-versa> :)
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[16:48:57] <frido> but question is, how to fix that correctly in procmail
[16:49:07] <frido> for writting patch
[16:49:57] <frido> IMHO MAILSPOOLDIR should be readed from /etc/procmailrc and /etc/procmailrc should be before link/unlink operaions
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[16:51:32] <frido> http://bugs.debian.org:80/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=46598
[16:51:38] <frido> bud it's from 1999
[16:51:44] <frido> s/bud/but
[16:52:10] <frido> it looks that this "bug" is there for ~10 years
[16:54:34] <seekwill> Debian :)
[16:55:36] <vice-versa> what version are you using frido?
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[16:57:53] <frido> vice-versa: procmail ?
[16:58:00] <frido> 3.22
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[17:00:55] <frido> it's problem, because for example /home isn't mounted, or ldap get bad/slow answer for $HOME
[17:01:06] <frido> mail is stored in /var/mail/$LOGNAME
[17:01:34] <vice-versa> hmm, maybe you should look into using procmail with -m
[17:03:00] <frido> you think to run procmail -m /etc/procmailrc
[17:03:00] <frido> ?
[17:05:32] <frido> problem is, that in this configuration user can't have own .procmailrc
[17:07:51] <vice-versa> yes that was what I was suggesting
[17:08:05] <jeev> vice-versa, you set up dkim with amavisd-new before ?
[17:08:13] <vice-versa> nope
[17:08:17] <jeev> hmm
[17:08:31] <frido> vice-versa: this is problem, because some users has .procmailrc for filtering and some not
[17:08:57] <frido> of course I can create script which set for every user own .procmailrc
[17:09:07] <frido> but if someone of them remove .procmailrc
[17:09:30] <frido> errr
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[17:09:43] <frido> forget lines about script ..
[17:10:14] <frido> problem is that with -m parameter some users will be without .procmailrc
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[17:14:56] <Amped> question: I'm using LDAP to store virtual alias addresses, both individual and group. How can I select distinct individual alias addresses where the address exists in groups within another group? For example, John.Doe at mydomain dot com exists in HR at mydomain dot com and Senior.Management at mydomain dot com, and both HR and Senior.Management exists in Company at mydomain dot com, and if I send a message to Company at mydomain dot com John.Doe will receive two messages where
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[17:49:40] <stickystyle> What is the signifiance of the name of the folders being 0-F in the various queues? I get that 0-F is Hex, but does it map to something logical (like message id's) in the grand scheme of postfix?  (Just out of curiosity)
[17:50:38] <Dominian> I think it has something to do with the first Number o Letter in the queue id
[17:53:14] <f3ew> stickystyle queueids
[17:53:53] <stickystyle> Hum, okay that sounds good to me.  Thanks.
[18:02:10] <Amped> question: I'm using LDAP to store virtual alias addresses, both individual and group. How can I select distinct individual alias addresses where the address exists in groups within another group? For example, John.Doe at mydomain dot com exists in HR at mydomain dot com and Senior.Management at mydomain dot com, and both HR and Senior.Management exists in Company at mydomain dot com, and if I send a message to Company at mydomain dot com John.Doe will receive two messages where
[18:02:31] <Zelest> two messages where... and you got cut off :)
[18:03:55] <jelly> seeing a John Doe is in both HR and Sr. Mgt, he probably doesn't read his mail anyway
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[18:43:38] <Amped> Laughing Out Loud jelly
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[19:00:29] <Amped> ~[ Zelest ]~ the two messages will be delivered to John.Doe, due to his affilitation with the HR and Senior.Manangement groups
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[19:46:27] <neurodamage> I get the following error on my debian etch postfix 2.* installation Sep 18 17:44:57 www postfix/master[24573]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtp: bad command startup -- throttling
[19:47:53] <devdas> what's the warning before that?
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[19:50:21] <SlappyWilson> question: I'm using LDAP to store virtual alias addresses, both individual and group. How can I select distinct individual alias addresses where the address exists in groups within another group? For example, John.Doe at mydomain dot com exists in HR at mydomain dot com and Senior.Management at mydomain dot com, and both HR and Senior.Management exists in Company at mydomain dot com. When I send a message to Company at mydomain dot com, postfix will send John.Doe two cop
[19:50:32] <neurodamage> devdas: nothing else ?
[19:50:48] <neurodamage> Sep 18 17:51:02 www postfix/smtp[24801]: fatal: specify a password table via the `smtp_sasl_password_maps' configuration parameter
[19:50:52] <neurodamage> devdas: that's the one sorry
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[19:51:33] <devdas> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/path/to/map
[19:51:48] <neurodamage> devdas: so that would be /etc/alias?
[19:51:53] <devdas> SlappyWilson: figure out the LDAP query via ldapsearch
[19:51:56] <neurodamage> devdas: I don't have that defined, so that's the issue there?
[19:52:05] <devdas> neurodamage: comment that parameter out?
[19:52:11] <devdas> Why did you enable it anyway?
[19:52:18] <neurodamage> devdas: I don't have it enabled :(
[19:52:40] <neurodamage> devdas: just ran a recursive grep for it in anything don't see it :(
[19:52:54] <SlappyWilson> thx devdas
[19:53:40] <devdas> neurodamage: postconf -n should tell you
[19:58:09] <neurodamage> devdas: http://rafb.net/p/3FR1Bw65.html
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[20:00:33] <devdas> Hmmm
[20:00:49] <devdas> Reload/restart Postfix and see?
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[20:02:09] <neurodamage> devdas: heh did that too :)
[20:02:13] <neurodamage> still showing the log output :)
[20:05:13] <devdas> Perhaps an entry in master.cf?
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[20:09:10] <neurodamage> devdas: negative did a grep throughout /etc, got nothing and manually looked myself :(
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[20:19:17] <drumline_> Hello folks,
[20:19:42] <drumline_> Can postfix easily archive all email coming to and from a domain?
[20:21:58] <devdas> !always_bcc
[20:21:59] <knoba> devdas: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
[20:22:16] <devdas> neurodamage: that isn't making any sense to me
[20:22:22] <neurodamage> devdas: oh ok
[20:22:25] <neurodamage> devdas: me either
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[20:23:03] <drumline_> devdas: is that for me?
[20:23:43] <devdas> yes
[20:25:03] <drumline_> devdas: cool...  is that something I can split out for each domain?
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[20:32:26] <devdas> !recipient_bcc_maps
[20:32:28] <knoba> devdas: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[20:32:29] <devdas> !sender_bcc_maps
[20:32:30] <knoba> devdas: "sender_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by sender address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
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[20:32:47] <sysmonk> devdas: poor guy, you forgot what sender_bcc_maps are? :P
[20:33:16] <devdas> hehe
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[20:35:52] <sysmonk> i got home, and there's nothing to eat ;/
[20:36:15] <sysmonk> and i'm lazy to go to the shop, and it closes in 20 minutes
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[20:39:41] <devdas> go
[20:39:51] <sysmonk> or starve?
[20:41:15] <devdas> that too
[20:41:52] <sysmonk> btw, how's your ccTLD going?
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[20:45:31] <devdas> Hopefully being rolled out soon
[20:45:50] <sysmonk> oh, it's still not rolled out?
[20:46:09] <devdas> In the warmup stages, so to say
[20:46:28] <devdas> the entire TLD is supposed to be a social networking space
[20:46:39] <sysmonk> w00t?
[20:46:53] <sysmonk> what do you mean by that?
[20:47:21] <devdas> email, IM, facebook style apps
[20:47:46] <devdas> in a single identity, with revenue from ads
[20:47:48] <sysmonk> oh
[20:47:54] <sysmonk> why did i think it's a ccTLD ?
[20:48:02] <devdas> It is
[20:48:03] <sysmonk> not a commercial-stuff tld
[20:48:07] <sysmonk> hehe
[20:48:11] <sysmonk> abusers! :)
[20:48:23] <devdas> so you could sign up for sys at monk dot pw
[20:48:52] <devdas> but you will not be able to set (a) SRV records, (b) primary MX
[20:49:02] <sysmonk> ergh, sign up for sys at monk dot pw or monk.pw ?
[20:49:09] <sysmonk> why ?
[20:50:28] <sysmonk> how can you control if i'm able to set a mx record when the domain is pointing to my nameservers?
[20:50:36] <sysmonk> or are you not selling 'subdomains' ?
[20:53:00] <neurodamage> devdas: one error I do always get though is when I enable spamc it gives me tons and tons of errors about not enough resources :(, what's that about ?
[20:53:30] <neurodamage> and by spamc I mean spamassassin and I'm using spamc to send stuff and spamc is what put out the errors about insufficient resources when I enabled it ?
[20:54:50] <neurodamage> Sep 18 18:52:11 www postfix/qmgr[25368]: warning: connect to transport spamassassin: Connection refused
[20:55:06] <neurodamage> that's the current error I'm getting with spamassassin disabled, do I really need some sort of spam management?
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[21:57:49] <SlappyWilson> question: it appears ldapsearch cannot filter for unique occurrences before outputting to postfix, so is it possible to specify a an alias file within an alias file? For example, in the alias file "virtual" can I specify " company at mydomain dot com hash:/etc/postfix/Company", and /etc/postfix/Company contains all the addresses associated to that alias?
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[22:02:49] <ThersiT> anyone around to help me with some DNS stuff?
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[22:04:24] 
[22:04:41] <sysmonk> o_o
[22:04:46] <sysmonk> woot?
[22:05:12] <ThersiT> well it's about a MX reccord for setting up postfix
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[22:05:25] <sysmonk> then just ask
[22:05:29] <sysmonk> maybe somebody will help
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[22:06:24] <ritslinux> Hi all, can I ask a question about mail (a.k.a. mailx) on this channel ?
[22:07:00] <ThersiT> here's the thing. I've got a domain name with a custom dns account on it and my email goes to it using rented webspace..
[22:07:52] <ThersiT> i'm tring to setup a subdomain and point another mx recored at it.
[22:08:56] <ThersiT> will that kind of thing work?
[22:09:07] <sysmonk> sure
[22:09:57] <SlappyWilson> it'll work fine so long as each MX record is associated to the same server IP
[22:10:09] <ThersiT> so as far as postfix knows my FQDN will be subdomain.domain.net?
[22:10:33] <sysmonk> ThersiT: do you want your postfix to accept mail fro domain.net or subdomain.domain.net ?
[22:11:09] <ThersiT> subdomain.domain.net until i get it all worked out
[22:11:29] <sysmonk> then yes
[22:11:36] <sysmonk> set it to the subdomain.domain.net
[22:12:21] <ThersiT> and my email address will look like username at subdomain dot domain.net.
[22:12:41] <sysmonk> yes
[22:12:41] <SlappyWilson> you got it
[22:12:48] <ThersiT> cool i just was'nt sure if that would work
[22:12:54] <ThersiT> thanks guys
[22:17:53] <ritslinux> mail (mailx) does not sent to any FQDN, btw there is no  .mailrc in my ~home, could that be the reason ?
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[22:37:16] <sysmonk> ritslinux: i don't know mailx well enough, but afaik it just pipes the mail to sendmail
[22:37:19] <sysmonk> and that's all
[22:37:45] <sysmonk> i would search for a problem on the mta side
[22:38:03] <sysmonk> worst case - ktrace/strace and friends
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[23:48:15] <Knoedel2> @local_domains_maps = ( [".$mydomain", ".domain1.com", ".domain2.com"] ); -> is this config paramter wrong ?
[23:48:29] <Knoedel2> cause my amavis won't tag mails





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