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[00:03:07] <_RiCo_> Linux version 2.4.22-uc0
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[00:13:29] <_RiCo_> hmm?
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[01:11:56] <DanGer> how do I HOLD all email that's going from 92.240.234.116 ?
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[01:18:30] <xpoint> !hold
[01:18:30] <knoba> xpoint: Error: "hold" is not a valid command.
[01:18:49] <xpoint> hmm learn me knoba
[01:19:28] <xpoint> but try 127.0.0.1 hold
[01:19:44] <xpoint> in a access map
[01:20:44] <xpoint> postmap -q 127.0.0.1 hash:/etc/postfix/hold
[01:20:59] <xpoint> should say hold as results
[01:23:47] <DanGer> ah, I figured where the problem was.
[01:24:26] <DanGer> have got permit_mynetworks before check_client_access, and been trying to restrict one of the clients from mynetworks...
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[01:25:24] <xpoint> yep yep
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[01:44:27] <limitedwisdom> I'm a total n00b. Just installed ubuntu 8.04 and my server won't send/rcv mail. I'm not even sure where to be looking
[01:48:53] <higuita> dpkg-configure postfix might help you configure postfix (at least in debian, i assume ubuntu postfix package have the same configure options)
[01:49:23] <higuita> if not, edit the /etc/postfix/main.cf and read this
[01:49:27] <higuita> ! basic
[01:49:28] <knoba> higuita: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[01:52:24] <limitedwisdom> hrm. what's the easiest way to test and see if you can send a test msg?
[01:54:42] <rob0> Dan, read the documentation for mynetworks, it has examples for excluding an IP address from a range.
[01:55:18] <rob0> also, if the box is compromised by a spammer/scammer, PULL THE PLUG
[01:58:32] <xpoint> more important scan with clamav
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[02:08:27] <limitedwisdom_> ok, I have an error message now:
[02:08:48] <limitedwisdom_> fatal: open database /etc/postfix/relay_domains.db: No such file or directory
[02:09:37] <limitedwisdom_> that file does not exist, however relay_domains does exist.
[02:11:49] <higuita> limitedwisdom_: mail your_username  ; tail -f /var/log/mail.log ; mail/mailx/mutt
[02:12:39] <higuita> limitedwisdom: oops, there are 2 limitedwisdom?
[02:12:57] <higuita> limitedwisdom_: postmap  /etc/postfix/relay_domains
[02:13:01] <limitedwisdom_> oh - I should just be limitedwisdom...I lost my connection
[02:13:04] <limitedwisdom_> came back in
[02:13:06] <limitedwisdom_> sorry
[02:13:46] <limitedwisdom_> ok, and then restart postfix?
[02:13:51] <limitedwisdom_> (What does that do, exactly)
[02:15:38] <limitedwisdom_> hrm - does this chan have a pastebin?
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[02:16:52] <limitedwisdom_> still getting same error message
[02:18:29] <higuita> postmap creates a filename.db file from a "text table" in filename
[02:18:38] <limitedwisdom_> THAT DID IT!
[02:18:43] <limitedwisdom_> you guys ROCK
[02:18:45] <higuita> postconf |grep relay_domains
[02:18:47] <limitedwisdom_> thank you so very much!
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[02:19:08] <higuita> now test your server againt a openrelay tester
[02:19:22] <higuita> to check if you didnt create a openrelay
[02:19:48] <limitedwisdom_> ok - how do I do that? (i can't imagine it's open - I have about 400 hops to get mail delivered :) )
[02:19:54] <higuita> if the test shows a openrelay, shutdown the postfix and come here to ask for help
[02:20:00] <limitedwisdom_> ok
[02:21:59] <higuita> http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-relay-test.htm#web
[02:36:58] <xpoint> higuita, thanks for this link
[02:46:31] <rob0> LW, if you followed some howto, be sure to do everything it said to do.
[02:46:50] <rob0> If not, why do you have relay_domains ??
[02:47:11] <rob0> !howto
[02:47:12] <knoba> rob0: Error: "howto" is not a valid command.
[02:47:19] <rob0> !tutorial
[02:47:20] <knoba> rob0: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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[02:49:39] <k-man> where can i read up on the syntax for the virtual config file?
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[02:51:10] <sahil> BuenGenio: no, you douchebag moron.
[02:51:29] <BuenGenio> sahil, you bush
[02:51:56] <BuenGenio> coming up all bold about volia, coming from a Brandy.edu
[02:52:18] <sahil> BuenGenio: your idiocy is boundless.  shoo.
[02:53:09] <BuenGenio> go and do your homework
[02:53:26] <sahil> BuenGenio: oh, did you just try to make a funny?  *slow clap*
[02:55:12] <rob0> !virtual
[02:55:13] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[02:55:36] <rob0> k, also virtual(5) and virtual(8) depending on what you meant.
[02:55:59] <k-man> thanks
[02:56:19] <k-man> so if i'm doing virtual hosting, and my usernames are like user at hostname dot com
[02:56:44] <k-man> do i still need to list   "user at domain dot com user at domain dot com" in virtual?
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[02:56:50] <rob0> If you're doing virtual hosting you really need to understand this stuff. :)
[02:57:18] <k-man> rob0: plainly!
[02:57:26] <k-man> that's what I'm trying to understand
[02:57:32] <rob0> Start with the readme, then branch off to the proper man page.
[02:57:39] <k-man> ok, thanks
[03:02:59] <lunaphyte> when i first set up postfix, i just banged on the keyboard like a panicked infant until i had a working mail server.
[03:04:55] <k-man> lunaphyte: interesting approach
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[03:09:09] <Knio> I want postfix to accept mail to * at mydomain dot com and forward it to blah at gmail dot com, and do nothing else. what is the easiest way to set this up?
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[03:10:40] <lunaphyte> !v_a_m
[03:10:41] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "v_a_m" is not a valid command.
[03:10:51] <lunaphyte> !virtual_alias_maps
[03:10:51] <knoba> lunaphyte: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
[03:10:54] <lunaphyte> !virtual
[03:10:55] <knoba> lunaphyte: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[03:15:29] <k-man> so, if i want mail for user at domain dot com.au to be redirected to unix login name "user at domain dot com.au", is the correct syntax in /etc/postfix/virtual "user at domain dot com.au user at domain dot com.au"?
[03:19:25] <lunaphyte> !tias
[03:19:26] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "tias" is not a valid command.
[03:19:29] <lunaphyte> darn
[03:19:54] <lunaphyte> k-man: try it and see. :)
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[03:20:30] <k-man> lunaphyte: i did and it didn't seem to work
[03:27:23] <lunaphyte> why not just deliver the mail to the user's mail box?
[03:29:20] <k-man> lunaphyte: ahah! not a bad idea
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[03:36:38] <karl86> Hi guys. I deleted my mail.log file, like an idiot. I replaced it and set the ownership and permissions, but nothing is being written to it anymore.
[03:36:56] <karl86> Can anyone help?
[03:37:31] <lunaphyte> restart syslog
[03:38:27] <k-man> how long can it take for redelegation of domain names?
[03:39:01] <karl86> lunaphyte: thank you you wonderful person :D
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[03:40:55] <lunaphyte> k-man: changes to dns are immediate.  a resolver somewhere out on the internet that might have a stale record cached from a previous lookup won't bother asking for the record again until the ttl for that record has expired.
[03:42:28] <k-man> lunaphyte: ah, i see...
[03:42:37] <k-man> so its that pesky ttl thats causing me problems
[03:43:28] <k-man> ttl is 22575 or aprox 6 hours!
[03:43:32] <k-man> thats annoying
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[03:54:48] <k-man> ok, so it appears usernames with @ in them are a Bad Idea (tm)
[03:55:01] <k-man> did you guys know that?
[03:55:18] <k-man> in fact, afaict, postfix officialy does not recognise usernames with @ in them
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[04:00:12] <seekwill> Yeah, I knew that, that's why I just run an open relay. Easier for me
[04:00:27] <hparker> :-o
[04:02:39] <thumbs> silly will
[04:19:46] <seekwill> :(
[04:19:59] <thumbs> willy nilly.
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[04:57:44] <karl86> Hi everyone. Every time I send a pop connection my mail client informs me that the certificate is for an incorrect domain and that it has expired two months ago. I'm using Ubuntu Server.
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[05:19:43] <aut> hi, i'm using dkimproxy, but getting the following error sometimes: "(delivery temporarily suspended: conversation with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] timed out while receiving the initial server greeting)"
[05:20:15] <aut> my guess is that dkimproxy is not spawning enough processes to keep up... anybody have any insight?
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[06:05:35] <chairuou> inet_interfaces=localhost that mean can not connect to port 25 from other host, is that rite?
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[06:27:00] <hparker> chairuou: yes
[06:27:35] <chairuou> hparker: thanks
[06:30:08] <chairuou> oh postfix still start while I had a syntax/unrecognized parameter error in main.cf
[06:30:31] <hparker> sometimes...
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[07:55:47] <roe_> I've been wracking my config here, I know it is a typo. I can't sent email using TLS I get "SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure"
[07:55:51] <roe_> I just can't find it
[07:59:13] <roe_> nm, it is an ldap issue
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[08:36:18] <jeev> postfix/smtp[1905]: D0A124FCC43: to=<a at a dot com>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.05, delays=0.01/0.01/0.01/0.03, dsn=4.3.2, status=deferred (host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 4214.3.2 Service shutting down, closing channel (in reply to RCPT T
[08:36:18] <jeev> :/
[08:36:29] <jeev> i can't figure it out! well, i really haven't tried
[08:37:57] <vice-versa> misbehaving content filter would be my guess
[08:38:43] <jeev> i took my set up from the other box and dragged it here :D
[08:38:47] <jeev> all looks well.
[08:39:16] <jeev> i've sent an email connecting to 10024 and sending an email, worked.
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[08:42:19] <vice-versa> what's listening on 10024?
[08:43:21] <sysmonk> my mom
[08:43:22] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:43:26] <sysmonk> good morning
[08:47:37] <vice-versa> morning
[08:47:59] <vice-versa> how's the head?
[08:48:01] <jeev> vscan
[08:48:30] <vice-versa> does it keep logs?
[08:48:49] <sysmonk> my head?
[08:48:52] <jeev> it's amavis i guess, or something
[08:48:57] <jeev> vice-versa, sysmonk is a troll, has me on ignore
[08:48:59] <jeev> so disregard him
[08:49:11] <vice-versa> lol
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[08:49:31] <sysmonk> i might be having somebody on ignore list, or what?
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[08:49:57] <vice-versa> [20:38:03] * sysmonk head hurts, but that's not vodkas fault
[08:50:14] <sysmonk> oh, that awas old
[08:50:15] <sysmonk> was*
[08:50:20] <sysmonk> and sure, it keeps the logs
[08:50:32] <sysmonk> and i said, that wasn't vodka's fault
[08:50:37] <jeev> vice-versa, it's so weird though, taking from a bsd 7 system to another bsd 7 system.. the config's, obviously rebuilt others. i dont see why it wouldn't work.
[08:50:40] <sysmonk> i just got a cold ;/
[08:51:14] <vice-versa> jeev: yeah it's always perplexing until you find the culprit ;)
[08:51:31] <jeev> here comes sysmonk's comment
[08:52:00] <sysmonk> ahh
[08:52:04] <sysmonk> that's who's on my ignore list!
[08:52:06] <jeev> boom!
[08:52:14] <sysmonk> one of the 3 lucky guys ;P
[08:53:30] * f3ew hits sysmonk's head with a hammer
[08:58:06] <sysmonk> oh now that was vodka's fault!
[08:58:07] <sysmonk> ;P
[08:58:38] <vice-versa> jeev: only suggestion I have is to dig through the amavis logs
[09:00:22] <jeev> yea, i know..
[09:00:26] <jeev> i'm lookin for em
[09:00:31] <jeev> apparently it doesn't log by default
[09:00:44] <jeev> ahh, does.
[09:00:50] <jeev> of course, failure!
[09:00:58] <jeev> sql database :D
[09:01:59] <vice-versa> well at least you know where else to start looking
[09:02:25] <jeev> uep
[09:02:26] <jeev> yep
[09:04:26] <sysmonk> you can always find an answer in a glass of vodka
[09:04:27] <sysmonk> ;PP
[09:05:22] * vice-versa wonders what it is that botnets do on the weekends
[09:07:20] <f3ew> spam
[09:07:46] <vice-versa> they definitely seem to take weekends off from spamming?
[09:08:29] <aut> ddos instead then?
[09:08:54] <vice-versa> is it because millions of workers turn off their workstations?
[09:11:49] <vice-versa> the trend we see is it picks up early Tues. morning, keeps increasing until late Thurs. and peters out mid to late Fri.
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[10:11:05] <Hyperi> Hi, I'm having problems configuring virtual domains and users on Postfix, the configurables seem to be alright but still it keeps complaining: 'unknown user: "foo at bar dot com" '
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[10:12:46] <f3ew> !virtual
[10:12:47] <knoba> f3ew: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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[10:12:54] <f3ew> !debug
[10:12:55] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[10:13:19] <Hyperi> Well I've made it so that the user accounts exists
[10:13:42] <Hyperi> So that postfix would deliver the mail to ~/Maildir/ for easier take with dovecot
[10:14:20] <Hyperi> f3ew: I can put main.cf and virtusertable on pastebin if it helps? :)
[10:14:42] <f3ew> Hyperi read DEBUG_README
[10:14:52] <f3ew> Paste what that document tells you to
[10:14:52] <Hyperi> Ok
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[10:17:18] <Hyperi> I did " egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' mail.err mail.info mai                                                                                                                                l.log mail.warn|tail
[10:17:33] <Hyperi> But it only shows errors that are 4d old
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[10:18:04] <Hyperi> From friday that is. :P
[10:18:23] <sysmonk> first of all, that command will tail the _last_ output
[10:18:25] <Hyperi> It shows me permission denied on path which used to be /var/mail/domain/user
[10:18:34] <sysmonk> so if you have errors in mail.err, it will tail the last 10 entries in mail.warn
[10:18:40] <Hyperi> Exactly
[10:18:43] <Hyperi> The error file is huge
[10:18:52] <sysmonk> Hyperi: tail them seperately
[10:19:04] * sysmonk hates having 20 files for logs for postfix
[10:19:08] <Hyperi> ah true :P
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[10:19:22] <Hyperi> I failed, my bad. Sorry :P
[10:19:33] <Hyperi> So much like to use tail -f mail.*
[10:19:35] <Hyperi> :)
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[10:20:30] <Hyperi> Still the last errors I get with that is 3.5h old
[10:20:33] <Hyperi> From previous configuration
[10:20:39] <vice-versa> show the complete log entry in question
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[10:21:44] <Hyperi> From which mail.* ?
[10:22:44] <vice-versa> the one containing the 'unknown user'
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[10:28:21] <Hyperi> vice-versa: http://pastebin.com/d749fae36
[10:29:40] <Hyperi> But like I said before, that was from old configure which did it wrong. I didn't want the mails to go on some virtual place, I wanted them to go on local users homedirectory
[10:30:21] <vice-versa> if they're irrelevant why are you showing us them?
[10:30:40] <Hyperi> Because you were keeping saying that you want to see them :P
[10:31:32] <vice-versa> I did not
[10:31:51] <Hyperi> So can I put my main.cf on pastebin ? :)
[10:31:56] <Hyperi> I bet it's more revealing :)
[10:32:10] <sysmonk> postconf -n
[10:32:12] <vice-versa> when you came into the channel you mentioned, "...it keeps complaining: 'unknown user: "foo at bar dot com""
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[10:32:39] <vice-versa> let's see the mail log entry for this
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[10:33:08] <Hyperi> vice-versa: Sep 15 08:13:09 quick postfix/virtual[19601]: 947A59EA52: to=<hyperi at quick dot fi>, relay=virtual, delay=0.05, delays=0.03/0.01/0/0.02, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "hyperi at quick dot fi")
[10:33:41] <vice-versa> postconf show_user_unknown_table_name
[10:33:49] <Hyperi> Result of postconf -n -> http://pastebin.com/d18386218
[10:33:52] <vice-versa> paste the output from that
[10:34:00] <Hyperi> show_user_unknown_table_name = yes
[10:34:23] <vice-versa> you're using a filter that's causing this
[10:34:46] <Hyperi> hmm
[10:35:36] <Hyperi> Can't find any kind of entry of such from the configurables :/
[10:36:28] <f3ew> this is coming from virtual_mailbox_maps
[10:36:59] <Hyperi> Can't I unset that one ?
[10:37:59] <Hyperi> I think the main problem for me is that I tried to use ravencore, but decieded to install ispconfig instead. Now some of the ravencore settings still live in main.cf :/
[10:38:38] <vice-versa> then start over
[10:38:43] <vice-versa> !basic
[10:38:44] <knoba> vice-versa: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[10:38:54] <vice-versa> !virtual
[10:38:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[10:40:15] <Hyperi> ok ty :)
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[10:44:52] <Hyperi> hmm, started from beginnign and while trying to 'postmap /etc/aliases' it complains about the format it has in it :/
[10:45:11] <Hyperi> Keeps saying for each line: postmap: warning: aliases, line 2: record is in "key: value" format; is this an alias file?
[10:45:11] <vice-versa> use newaliases not postmap
[10:45:31] <Hyperi> k ty :)
[10:45:48] <Hyperi> postfix always been my hard point :(
[10:46:24] <Hyperi> And for virtual_alias_domains setting in main.cf I can use a file or do I need to list each domain ?
[10:48:15] <vice-versa> yes, it can be a file
[10:49:24] <Hyperi> virtual_alias_domains = /etc/virtual_alias_domains <- good?
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[10:50:51] <vice-versa> it's syntactically valid
[10:52:16] <vice-versa> why do you feel the need to store this in an external file?
[10:54:27] <Hyperi> Because I've several virtual domains + it's easier to handle them externally than from main.cf ?
[10:57:04] <vice-versa> valid reasons
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[10:57:52] <Hyperi> hm... new errors \o/
[10:57:53] <Hyperi> Sep 15 08:57:27 quick postfix/smtpd[20336]: fatal: open dictionary: expecting "type:name" form instead of "/etc/postfix/virtusertable"
[10:58:09] <sysmonk> o_o
[10:58:21] <Hyperi> They are in format user at host dot com username
[10:58:25] <sysmonk> what do you have it set to in main.cf ?
[10:58:27] <vice-versa> hash:/etc/postfix/virtusertable
[10:58:34] <Hyperi> ah, stupid me :S
[10:58:39] <sysmonk> vice-versa: unless he wants to have a flat file
[10:58:53] <sysmonk> but it still should be valid to have as a file...
[10:59:05] <vice-versa> it's a hash
[11:05:44] <sysmonk> oh my, there's an article about employers searching info about their employee-candidates in the web
[11:06:08] <sysmonk> and 40% of candidates are rejected because employers find bad information about them on the web, i.e. drinking habbits
[11:07:01] <vice-versa> s/bad/negative/
[11:07:06] * sysmonk rm -fr's all the #postfix logs on the web
[11:07:27] <sysmonk> no mor VoIP talk here! :)
[11:07:57] <vice-versa> too late, you're labeled for life now
[11:08:02] <sysmonk> damn!
[11:08:27] * sysmonk looks for a new-uber-l33t-and-cool-nickname-generator
[11:09:52] <vice-versa> that might actually be a good business idea. "Internet Identity Damage Control"
[11:10:46] * sysmonk damages vice-versa identity
[11:11:02] <vice-versa> pffft, way to fucking late for that
[11:11:10] <sysmonk> it's already damages?
[11:11:13] <sysmonk> damaged*
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[11:11:51] * vice-versa doesn't care either way ;)
[11:12:38] <sysmonk> heh, i don't care much too
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[11:14:51] <rob0> virtual_alias_domains can be a flat file. virtual_alias_maps CANNOT be a flat file, it must be a maptype:mapname lookup.
[11:16:31] <vice-versa> right, the keyword in the parameter being maps
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[11:18:58] <sysmonk> yeah, i just thought that's one for virtual_alias_domains
[11:19:09] <sysmonk> cause he asked about virtual_alias_domains a minute before that
[11:19:58] <rob0> well, yes, but that error wouldn't have happened with virtual_alias_domains, and my crystal ball is particularly clear today.
[11:20:12] <rob0> (caffeine can do that)
[11:20:50] <sysmonk> hehe
[11:20:57] <vice-versa> right again, hence my lazy comment, "it's a hash"
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[11:23:19] <rob0> !postconf
[11:23:20] <knoba> rob0: (postconf <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo ----> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#$1".
[11:23:32] <rob0> oh nice factoid
[11:23:56] <rob0> but not explicit enough for those who need it
[11:26:16] <sysmonk> yeah, i thought of asking to make it .postconf so it doesn't corrupt the !postconf
[11:26:28] <sysmonk> !postconf relay_recipient_maps
[11:27:14] <rob0> oh!!! I didn't know knoba could do that!
[11:27:31] <sysmonk> we asked Signum to implement that
[11:27:43] <vice-versa> new tricks
[11:27:48] <sysmonk> old dog
[11:27:49] <sysmonk> ;P
[11:28:08] <vice-versa> !wait
[11:28:09] <knoba> vice-versa: "wait" : Thank you for choosing #postfix for your postfix related issue. All our knowledgeable volunteers are currently busy or have more important things to take care of. Your inquiries are very important to us, please wait until the next knowledgeable volunteer becomes available. (knoba queues admin waiting music)
[11:28:09] <sysmonk> but it did 'corrupt' the !postconf factoid thought
[11:28:20] * sysmonk listens to the music
[11:28:33] <sysmonk> could we change that music to some better one? :P
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[11:32:34] <rob0> It's playing George Benson here.
[11:32:48] <vice-versa> :)
[11:33:18] <vice-versa> !factoid
[11:33:19] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[11:33:22] <vice-versa> hehe
[11:34:33] <kexman> hellooo
[11:35:15] <vice-versa> 250-kexman
[11:35:44] <sysmonk> vice-versa: doh
[11:35:50] <sysmonk> it should be a Non-smtp command received
[11:36:07] <sysmonk> 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[11:36:37] <vice-versa> ...Windows MTA emulator
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[11:42:13] <Hyperi> Got everything working nicely now, thank you guys :)
[11:42:26] <Hyperi> Now if someone got some spare time to help me with TLS it would be awesome :)
[11:43:16] <rob0> Wietse and Viktor can ... see this:
[11:43:19] <rob0> !tls
[11:43:19] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[11:43:25] <rob0> !tls_readme
[11:43:26] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
[11:44:06] <Hyperi> Ok, I'll read it up and see if it fixes my problem with "warning: connect to private/tlsmgr: Connection refused" :P
[11:44:28] <sysmonk> o_o
[11:44:36] <sysmonk> tlsmgr not runing?
[11:44:56] <BuenGenio> omrning!
[11:45:04] <rob0> that sounds like a broken install
[11:45:25] <sysmonk> yeah, like a master.cf from an old postfix or something like that
[11:45:37] <rob0> How to fix it depends entirely upon how it was broken.
[11:45:53] <rob0> damn crystal ball is clouding up now :(
[11:45:57] <Hyperi> :P
[11:45:58] <sysmonk> haha
[11:45:59] <sysmonk> ;)
[11:46:14] * rob0 looks for the packaging to RMA it
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[11:49:03] <BuenGenio> Hypericum auxilium TLSque benigne scisco.
[11:49:37] <BuenGenio> it's funny that "With Hyperi" directly translates into a plant genus... :)
[11:49:37] <vice-versa> BuenGenio: wb
[11:50:04] <vice-versa> how did you make out with the Outhouse issue?
[11:50:52] <BuenGenio> outhouse has had the better of me
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[11:51:54] <BuenGenio> i even attempted to disable smtpd_sasl_auth, but that didn't wash with O
[11:52:26] <vice-versa> O.o
[11:53:09] <BuenGenio> it wouldn't authenticate
[11:53:39] <BuenGenio> i'll might whip out the debugger in a bit, see what's happenign
[11:54:06] <BuenGenio> on a slightly different note
[11:54:30] <BuenGenio> sending emails to hotmail from my box results in them being delivered directly into the spam folder
[11:54:41] <BuenGenio> what can i do on this front?
[11:55:25] <vice-versa> heh, consider yourself luck they're being delivered at all
[11:55:32] <vice-versa> *lucky
[11:57:06] <BuenGenio> is that something to do with SPF..
[11:57:07] <BuenGenio> ?
[11:57:36] <vice-versa> usually conforming to best practices will resolve most hotmail 'spam folder' deliveries
[11:59:18] <vice-versa> spf, DNS PTR that matches forward and helo/ehlo
[11:59:40] <vice-versa> !senderid
[11:59:41] <knoba> vice-versa: "senderid" : Having hotmail delivery issues? - Consider having your server added to the Microsoft Sender ID program. Get your house in order first! Add a reverse dns ptr record for the ip of the server, forward should match reverse and helo. Create a valid spf record for the domain(s) then wander on over to https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&ct=eformts and submit your request to be added
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[12:27:12] <rob0> cpm
[12:27:28] <cpm> rob0,
[12:31:46] <xpoint> cpm, copyrighted by Digital Research :)
[12:32:57] <cpm> So, spam king Jeremy Jaynes gets a free pass after all.
[12:33:42] <rob0> yeah, I'd like to see a decent analysis of that case. Did the court screw up, or was it the legislature?
[12:41:08] <djerem> is it possible to have postfix with amavis and also configure postfix to be a secondary/backup mx for another domain?
[12:41:33] <rob0> !backup_mx
[12:41:33] <knoba> rob0: Error: "backup_mx" is not a valid command.
[12:41:43] <sysmonk> !backupmx
[12:41:44] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "backupmx" is not a valid command.
[12:41:46] <sysmonk> doh
[12:41:47] <sysmonk> !backup
[12:41:48] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "backup" is not a valid command.
[12:41:50] <sysmonk> ;/
[12:41:56] <vice-versa> !mxbackup
[12:41:57] <knoba> vice-versa: "mxbackup" : Setting up a backup MX server is described in http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#backup
[12:42:01] <rob0> Usually a backup MX is a bad idea, but it has nothing to do with it.
[12:45:56] <djerem> this is more a question of how it should work in fact: for example a mail is comming from outside of "mynetwork" into postfix for the domain it is secondary mx, it gose through amavis and it is re-injected back into postfix
[12:46:42] <djerem> the trouble I see is that when the mail is re-injected postfix will think it is comming from my network and will try to deliver it with the "relay_host" and not directly to the primary mx
[12:46:53] <djerem> i am missing something? :)
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[12:51:30] <ip-route> how block email  by FROM|Return-PATH ?
[12:53:48] <rob0> Yeah, for one, "relay_host" is not a valid parameter. See here:
[12:53:54] <rob0> !standard
[12:53:55] <knoba> rob0: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[12:54:19] <rob0> and possibly also transport.5.html
[12:55:14] <djerem> rob0: what do you mean by relay_host is not a valid parameter? I should have a transport map?
[12:55:27] <rob0> "postconf relay_host"
[12:56:30] <rob0> if you don't know how/why transport_maps is applicable, I think you haven't read enough on the matter of running a backup MX.
[12:59:58] <djerem> "relayhost = [smtp.free.fr]" ; you are certainly right, I have not read enough...
[13:02:45] <adnc> hello, when i sent mail to system-users like mysql etc. postfix creates a mbox file in /var/mail
[13:02:49] <adnc> how can i avoid this
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[13:03:09] <Roobarb> adnc: don't send mail to those users...
[13:03:34] <adnc> Roobarb: it is not because of me. i can avoid this but what if others send?
[13:05:50] <Roobarb> Implment a list of valid recipients, using local_recipient_maps
[13:06:01] <vice-versa> adnc: umm, /etc/postfix/restriced_rcpt_access
[13:06:13] <adnc> vice-versa: thank you
[13:06:15] <vice-versa> you know the one I had you create yesterday
[13:06:19] <adnc> yes
[13:06:42] <adnc> vice-versa: but this would allow mails from the domain
[13:06:57] <adnc> is there a way to restrict to these at all
[13:09:05] <vice-versa> sure, think about how that one was implemented and create another map called /etc/postfix/denied_rcpt_access or similar
[13:09:34] <adnc> ok
[13:09:55] <rob0> won't work for sendmail(1) submission
[13:20:04] <adnc> rob0: how you mean?
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[13:27:25] <djerem> rob0: if I understand correctly, I have to remove the "relayhost" and make a transport map for "my domain" to a null transport&nexthop, "backup-mx" with a transport relay and a null-transport (?) and a wildcard for the rest with a smtp transport and a nexthop to my FAI smtp?
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[13:28:08] <ribasushi> hi
[13:28:55] <djerem> s/null-transport/null-nexthop/ I mean, sorry...
[13:29:41] <ribasushi> is it possible to define a separate message_size_limit for mail going to a specific address _only_
[13:30:03] <sysmonk> ribasushi: no
[13:30:25] <adnc> vice-versa: and if i sent mails to those accounts, why is it creating a mbox type mailbox and not Maildir type. i changed all settings to Maildir-type?
[13:31:39] <ribasushi> sysmonk: that's helpful
[13:32:03] <ribasushi> sysmonk: do you know by chance which daemon examines this variable? is it smtpd?
[13:32:14] <ribasushi> I could then just set an additional listener on a weird port
[13:32:25] <ribasushi> and reroute mail to this specific address through the new smtpd
[13:33:28] <sysmonk> atleast the manual shows that it's in smtpd
[13:33:34] <sysmonk> but other might look at this param too
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[13:34:21] <ribasushi> sysmonk: should I try the above or does it seem flawed to you?
[13:34:29] <sysmonk> yup, cleanup looks at it too
[13:35:31] <sysmonk> ribasushi: don't know... why do you want it bigger for one specific email?
[13:35:48] <ribasushi> smaller not bigger
[13:36:04] <ribasushi> I need the default for everything else, but a very small barrier to a mailing list gateway
[13:36:22] <ribasushi> with 5xx flying back to the offenders
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[14:38:03] <nic_moe> hi
[14:38:18] <nic_moe> i've some problems with TLS connection
[14:38:23] <nic_moe> over LAN all works fine
[14:38:47] <nic_moe> but if i use my laptop 3G, sometimes mail delivery works and sometimes not
[14:38:58] <nic_moe> what problem could that be?
[14:39:15] <nic_moe> i thougt on a TLS timeout or something
[14:39:51] <Roobarb> nic_moe: show postfix logs
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[14:48:40] <djerem> my backup mx is working, but a simple question, in my transport map I have "backup-mx-domain relay:backup-mx-domain". Is it right for the next hop? Or I should have relay:[primary-mx.backup-mx-domain]?
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[15:33:48] <_RiCo_> hi
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[15:54:46] <_RiCo_> i have a problem with my postfix, can any help me?
[15:55:16] <_RiCo_> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied
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[16:07:11] <Sailias> if i get a relay access denied, should i just be able to configure my outgoing mail authentication on my client to fix the problem?
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[16:07:52] <Sailias> or do i need to modify my main.cf?
[16:08:01] <vice-versa> !sasl
[16:08:02] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[16:09:08] <Sailias> awesome you can answer a question with a single command. :)
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[16:10:51] <vice-versa> !yes
[16:10:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "yes" : Yes, it is.
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[16:23:28] <rbgarga> hello, i'm having a strange timeout problem with postfix, could anyone gimme some help?
[16:23:51] <vice-versa> !ask
[16:23:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "ask" : If you have a question, just ask. Precise questions lead to precise answers. Vague descriptions of your problem will get you nowhere. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
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[16:24:52] <rbgarga> ok, some emails just are not delivered, staying in the queue and every try it got timeout message
[16:24:57] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: global TLS level: may
[16:24:57] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 220 starfury24.uol.com.br ESMTP
[16:25:00] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: > mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: EHLO mail.usinasantaisabel.com.br
[16:25:03] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250-starfury24.uol.com.br
[16:25:06] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250-PIPELINING
[16:25:09] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250-SIZE 20971520
[16:25:12] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250-VRFY
[16:25:15] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250-ETRN
[16:25:19] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250 8BITMIME
[16:25:22] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: server features: 0x100f size 20971520
[16:25:24] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: Using ESMTP PIPELINING, TCP send buffer size is 4096
[16:25:28] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: > mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: MAIL FROM:<rodrigo.toppan at usinasantaisabel dot com.br> SIZE=6760062
[16:25:29] <vice-versa> GAH!
[16:25:31] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: > mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: RCPT TO:<copesco at uol dot com.br>
[16:25:34] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: > mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: DATA
[16:25:36] <vice-versa> pastebin asshole
[16:25:37] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250 Ok
[16:25:40] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 250 Ok
[16:25:41] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[16:25:42] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[16:25:43] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:44:37 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 354 End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>
[16:25:46] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:46:03 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: smtp_fputs: EOF
[16:25:49] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:46:03 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: < mx.uol.com.br[200.221.29.129]:25: 421 starfury24.uol.com.br Error: timeout exceeded
[16:25:52] <rbgarga> Sep 15 10:46:03 mail postfix/smtp[7614]: connect to subsystem private/defer
[16:25:58] <rbgarga> sorry about a lot of mistakes, first time in this channel
[16:28:48] <sysmonk> rbgarga: turn off the debugging first, and pastebin it the logs
[16:29:22] <rbgarga> ok
[16:29:43] <sysmonk> although i'm already away'ing, so won't be able to help
[16:30:50] * vice-versa growls
[16:31:36] <rbgarga> http://pastebin.com/d79694020
[16:31:41] <rbgarga> this is the log without debug
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[16:39:11] <vice-versa> the remote host 200.221.29.129 is imposing a ridiculously low connection time, 1m15s, not much you can do about that
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[16:40:48] <rbgarga> vice-versa: is there a way to disable PIPELINING when sending email? I just want to make some test because i figured out the box i'm touching has a poor realtek network card
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[16:45:04] <vice-versa> !postconf smtp_discard_ehlo_keyword_address_maps
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[16:45:35] <REyM> The settings option: mynetworks specifies the range of ip's that are able to send trough postfix right?
[16:45:53] <vice-versa> !mynetworks
[16:45:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.
[16:46:07] <vice-versa> !postconf mynetworks
[16:48:17] <vice-versa> Signum: that !postconf alias should be changed to !maincf imo
[16:48:40] <Signum> vice-versa: indeed
[16:49:49] <rbgarga> vice-versa: thanks, i'll do properly tests
[16:49:57] <Signum> !maincf dingdong
[16:50:00] <Signum> !postconf
[16:50:01] <knoba> Signum: "postconf" : the configuration management tool for postfix. See man postconf for more information.
[16:50:08] <Signum> vice-versa: thy will be done
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[16:52:41] <vice-versa> !maincf mydestination
[16:52:48] <vice-versa> !sweet
[16:52:49] <knoba> vice-versa: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[16:53:00] <vice-versa> thanks Signum
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[16:54:41] <pete_> Hi! Where i could find good and valid list of working RBL-servers ?
[16:55:40] <REyM> soren, I am on a computer outside the mynetworks range. I've got smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks. Can I check by telenetting to the server if sasl authentication works?
[16:56:17] <vice-versa> !rbllist
[16:56:18] <knoba> vice-versa: "rbllist" : See http://spamlinks.net/filter-dnsbl-lists.htm
[16:56:39] <pete_> vice-versa: thanks. I check that
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[16:57:21] <REyM> lol, why am I asking soren that >_<. stupi nick completion
[16:59:06] <vice-versa> !sasl_test
[16:59:07] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl_test" : http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_test
[16:59:33] <REyM> right, ok
[17:00:24] <REyM> I am getting "connected to <server>" but I am not getting 220 server. ESMTP postfix
[17:01:15] <REyM> it works when trying it on the host itself
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[17:01:29] <REyM> so that's why I was asking about mynetworks
[17:02:54] <vice-versa> what do you see if anything?
[17:03:37] <REyM> trying <IP address> | connected to <hostname> | Escape character is '^]'.
[17:04:11] <vice-versa> what's the ip?
[17:04:33] <REyM> 91.199.236.69
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[17:05:42] <vice-versa> yeah, something's not right
[17:06:01] <REyM> mynetworks is only local
[17:06:12] <vice-versa> don't matter
[17:06:21] <REyM> ok
[17:06:22] <vice-versa> should still be able to connect
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[17:07:02] <madduck> gaaah!
[17:07:02] <vice-versa> see the banner, ehlo the server and deliver mail for recipients the hosts is the final destination for
[17:07:04] <madduck> 450 4.1.1 <465cabrad at sccs dot swarthmore.edu>: Recipient address rejected: undeliverable address: host mail.sccs.swarthmore.edu[130.58.218.5] said: 550
[17:07:18] <madduck> unverified_recipient_reject_code = 550
[17:07:20] <madduck> wth?
[17:07:55] <f3ew> soft_bounce?
[17:08:18] <madduck> oh. my. god.
[17:08:27] <madduck> who turned soft_bounce on???
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[17:08:41] <vice-versa> I did, why? ;)
[17:08:42] <madduck> lovely. it's been on soft_bounce since july
[17:09:13] <steinex> Question: I use SASL-Auth and SpamAssassin. When I send a Mail, outgoing Mails will also be checked by SpamAssassin. How to disable this behaviour?
[17:09:27] <steinex> If i send mail directly from server without SASL, they aren't checked by SA
[17:09:47] <madduck> invoke spamassassin in the delivery chain, not in the mail transport chain
[17:10:05] <steinex> madduck, could you be a bit more verbose, please?
[17:10:23] <madduck> make procmail or deliver invoke spamassassin, not postfix
[17:10:30] <madduck> it's not postfix's job to do that
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[17:10:52] <madduck> alternatively, submit your sasl mail to port 587 and use master.cf -o options to turn SA off on that port
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[17:13:07] <REyM> vice-versa,  any pointers what could be wrong? Can't find anything in the logfiles
[17:13:49] <vice-versa> firewall?
[17:14:53] <REyM> not that I know of
[17:19:58] <steinex> hm, how do i do this with -o? i added 587 line in master.cf, and left -o blank, but it's still checked. it seems it uses the options from the "smtp" line
[17:21:39] <steinex> how do i disable spamassassin with -o in master.cf?
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[17:22:14] <vice-versa> do you not have submission in your master?
[17:22:50] <vice-versa> REyM: what OS?
[17:23:18] <REyM> vice-versa, debian
[17:23:43] <vice-versa> REyM: iptables-save
[17:23:50] <vice-versa> does it show any rules?
[17:24:13] <steinex> vice-versa, yes i have
[17:24:32] <steinex> okay, using the submission-line now, but it is still spam checked
[17:25:04] <steinex> how can i say "don't use -o content_filter from above"?
[17:25:47] <REyM> vice-versa, http://pastebin.com/d1788bef0
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[17:27:11] <steinex> vice-versa, it is still checked....
[17:27:16] <steinex> i'm going crazy
[17:27:31] <vice-versa> did you restart postfix?
[17:27:46] <steinex> yes
[17:28:11] <vice-versa> REyM: does ifconfig show 91.199.236.69
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[17:28:20] <steinex> added -o content_filter in submission, restarted postfix, changed port in MUA
[17:29:05] <vice-versa> note the "="
[17:29:19] <REyM> vice-versa, its a virtual private server, venet0:0 has inet addr:91.199.236.69
[17:29:35] <steinex> yes
[17:29:37] <steinex> it's thath way
[17:29:42] <REyM> inet_interfaces=all
[17:30:48] <vice-versa> REyM: dunno, maybe talk to vps provider's support
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[17:31:04] <steinex> vice-versa, it does even check the mail if i do -o content_filter=dummy:dummy
[17:31:29] <REyM> vice-versa, k thanks anyway
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[17:32:44] <vice-versa> steinex: let's see the following output
[17:32:45] <vice-versa> !showme
[17:32:46] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
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[17:35:32] <REyM> but vice-versa nmapping to that ip shows that port 25 is open
[17:36:48] <vice-versa> REyM: yes, but once connected that's the end of it
[17:37:21] <REyM> yeah, but doesn't it say that port 25 isn't firewalled?
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[17:38:49] <vice-versa> REyM: only suggestion I would have from here is to pastebin the details of your configuration to see if anything stands out
[17:38:54] <vice-versa> !showme
[17:38:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from the following as root, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[17:39:07] <jeev> by the way vice-versa.. one issue was clamd was having issues scanning the email and the other was sasl2 was trying opie :D
[17:39:50] <vice-versa> opie?
[17:40:20] <jeev> one time password ... ... ..
[17:40:21] <jeev> lol
[17:40:25] <jeev> challenge auth stuff
[17:41:24] <vice-versa> heh
[17:46:11] <REyM> http://pastebin.com/d487f26c5
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[17:50:54] <vice-versa> nothing leaps out at me, you might want to consider adding reject_unauth_destination to smtpd_recipient_restrictions though
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[17:51:30] <vice-versa> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination
[17:53:07] <REyM> ok, good tip
[17:53:51] <vice-versa> I doubt this will have an resolve for you issue, but try adding 91.199.236.69/32 to mynetworks
[17:54:02] <vice-versa> s/an/any/
[17:55:00] <REyM> hey, there is a reply
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[17:55:47] <vice-versa> yup, seems to be working now ;)
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[17:57:42] <vice-versa> doh, and I knew this too...
[17:57:53] <vice-versa> !maincf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[17:58:21] <vice-versa> ...you must specify at least one of the following restrictions. Otherwise Postfix will refuse to receive mail...
[17:58:32] <REyM> right, ok
[17:58:35] <REyM> thanks :)
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[17:59:29] <jeev> vice-versa, i can't find my ssl certs, where the hell was that thing located? for courier.. if you use it.
[18:01:00] <jeev> ahh, there we go
[18:03:04] <shasta> oh my...
[18:03:41] <shasta> vice-versa, I can't locate my pants, where the hell are they? ... for humans, if you use it
[18:03:46] <shasta> *evil grin*
[18:04:09] <vice-versa> hehe
[18:05:27] <vice-versa> !pants
[18:05:29] <knoba> vice-versa: "pants" : I can't locate my pants, where the hell are they?
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[18:18:13] <jeev> damn shasta.
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[18:42:41] <Chipzz> hi; I want to decode the contents of a message in the postfix queue from whatever format postfix uses, to something more human-readable
[18:42:55] <Chipzz> are there any utilities for that, or is the format documented?
[18:43:30] <lunaphyte_> !postcat
[18:43:31] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "postcat" : a command for printing the contents of a mail in the queue. See "man postcat".
[18:44:04] <lunaphyte_> Signum: ping
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[18:46:57] <Chipzz> lunaphyte_: thx! exactly what I was looking for! :)
[18:49:01] <lunaphyte_> you're welcome :)
[18:53:54] <Signum> lunaphyte_: hmmm?
[18:55:17] <lunaphyte_> just had an idea for a feature request  for knoba.
[18:55:38] <lunaphyte_> i was thinking something like !factoid > newbie might be nice.
[18:55:51] * hparker hands lunaphyte some phresh phish
[18:56:38] <lunaphyte_> the outcome being that knoba would respond in the channel with the factoid, but would address newbie.
[18:57:11] <vice-versa> !factoid
[18:57:12] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[18:57:33] <Chipzz> lunaphyte_: the bot in #ubuntu-dev does that, but uses | instead of > FWIW
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[18:57:44] <shasta> !tell lunaphyte_ factoid
[18:58:04] <vice-versa> !submission
[18:58:05] <knoba> vice-versa: "submission" : I am knoba! Yield to my power and authority mortal
[18:58:13] <lunaphyte_> yeah, sort of like !tell, but keeping it in the channel.
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[18:59:20] <Chipzz> oh nevermind, that sends a private messsage
[19:00:11] <Signum> lunaphyte_: !tell sends a private message. unfortunately I didn't find an alias for the bot to address someone else. I can give it another try.
[19:00:22] <lunaphyte_> Chipzz: yeah, the behavior of #bash 's bot is what gave me the idea.
[19:00:51] <lunaphyte_> Signum: no worries if it doesn't do it - just a thought.
[19:01:07] <Chipzz> lunaphyte_: btw, do you know of a version of postcat in perl? I want to use it from a perl script, and while I can do it with a pipe, I'm trying to avoid the overhead
[19:01:23] <lunaphyte_> nope
[19:01:57] <Signum> !telltest lunaphyte_ cpm
[19:01:59] <knoba> lunaphyte_ "cpm" : an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers
[19:02:03] <Signum> close...
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[19:02:57] <Chipzz> the thing is, I administer an outgoing for a bunch of websites, and I'm trying to do the right thing and avoid outgoing spam. So I want to run regular runs on the (deferred) mail queue and inspect it for problems
[19:03:17] <Chipzz> but maybe I'm reinventing the wheel?
[19:04:05] <Signum> !tell lunaphyte_ cpm
[19:04:06] <knoba> lunaphyte_: -> "cpm" : an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers
[19:04:14] <Signum> lunaphyte_: close enough, don't you think?
[19:05:16] <lunaphyte_> sure, works for me - as long as others don't think it's more valuable to send a pm.
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[19:16:43] <vice-versa> make another one named !tellpm
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[19:20:17] <xpoint> Signum, intel was not born at this time cpm was first out
[19:22:40] <vice-versa> umm, Intel has been around since 1968
[19:23:01] * cpm predates intel, has been around a lot longer than 'since '68'
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[19:23:53] <vice-versa> hmm, I was always under the impression Gary started cp/m in 1974
[19:24:16] * cpm was born in '57
[19:24:25] <fg3> going over the install process for postfix and the first thing it says is nuke sendmail -- I am trying to replicate a production system that has both sendmail and postfix rpms installed -- so I'm wondering if this is ok, and if it is just recommended to remove sendmail
[19:24:25] <vice-versa> oh, lol
[19:24:43] <vice-versa> should've caught that ;)
[19:24:48] <cpm> :)
[19:24:57] <vice-versa> for got cpm was an old fart ;)
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[19:32:13] <Signum> lunaphyte_: actually it's better that everybody sees the factoid (and that it's the right one) IMHO
[19:32:24] <lunaphyte_> yeah, that was my thought.
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[19:40:37] <mitcheloc> hello, is there a way too do something like mailboxcommand when postfix is accepting an e-mail to relay?
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[19:43:11] <seekwill> fg3: On my box, I just stop sendmail from starting. I don't remove it
[19:43:24] <fg3> seekwill, thx
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[19:48:27] <_RiCo_> i have a problem with my postfix, can any help me?
[19:48:28] <_RiCo_> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied
[19:48:37] <_RiCo_> whats that
[19:49:25] <_RiCo_> i wil start postfix, and then this msg
[19:49:51] <lunaphyte_> my guess?  filesystem permission issue.  turn off verbose logging and pastebin some logs (more than one solitary line).
[19:49:53] <vice-versa> permission problems and or a hosed install
[19:50:40] <vice-versa> postfix check
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[19:52:28] <_RiCo_> sry, i don't speak good english :-)
[19:52:30] <_RiCo_>  postfix check
[19:52:30] <_RiCo_> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied
[19:52:49] <_RiCo_> starting service postfix
[19:52:49] <_RiCo_> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied
[19:52:49] <_RiCo_> postfix/postfix-script: fatal: Postfix integrity check failed!
[19:52:53] <lunaphyte_> no worries.  most of us are so good with english either :)
[19:52:56] <mitcheloc> looks like using the content_filter will do the trick for me.. *yay*
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[19:54:11] <fg3> postfix question: http://dpaste.com/78228/
[19:54:59] <_RiCo_> hmm?
[19:55:09] <lunaphyte_> fg3: are they doing the *exact* same thing at every moment?
[19:55:27] <fg3> lunaphyte, what?
[19:55:59] <lunaphyte_> you said those are 2 different computer running postfix?
[19:56:17] <vice-versa> _RiCo_: postfix set-permissions
[19:56:18] <fg3> I see what you're saying
[19:56:37] <fg3> lunaphyte, that explain it - thanks
[19:56:49] <_RiCo_> chown: cannot access `/opt/share/doc/postfix/readme': No such file or directory
[19:56:49] <lunaphyte_> sure :)
[19:57:18] <vice-versa> _RiCo_: was that the only one?
[19:58:44] <_RiCo_> yes
[19:59:03] <vice-versa> will it start now?
[19:59:34] <_RiCo_> ?
[19:59:48] <vice-versa> try starting postfix now
[20:00:22] <_RiCo_> same error
[20:00:47] <vice-versa> story time I guess
[20:01:34] <vice-versa> _RiCo_: how did this come about?
[20:02:42] <_RiCo_> starting service postfix
[20:02:42] <_RiCo_> postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied
[20:02:42] <_RiCo_> postfix/postfix-script: fatal: Postfix integrity check failed!
[20:03:10] <shasta> mkdir -p /opt/share/doc/postfix/readme; postfix set-permissions && postfix start
[20:03:15] <shasta> erm
[20:03:18] <shasta> not that
[20:03:32] <shasta> mkdir -p /opt/share/doc/postfix/; touch /opt/share/doc/postfix/readme; postfix set-permissions && postfix start
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[20:03:49] <kedare> Hi everybodies :)
[20:04:02] <shasta> bah
[20:04:05] <kedare> I'm new to postfix and i have a huge problem.... the smtpd daemon don't start :(
[20:04:10] <shasta> the first guess is always good
[20:04:13] <shasta> aftera all :P
[20:04:16] <kedare> how can i start it ?
[20:04:22] <shasta> _RiCo_, mkdir -p /opt/share/doc/postfix/readme; postfix set-permissions && postfix start
[20:04:41] <vice-versa> kedare: postfix start
[20:05:19] <kedare> vice-versa: that don't launch smtpd
[20:05:35] <_RiCo_> now chown: cannot access `/opt/share/doc/postfix/html': No such file or directory
[20:05:49] <kedare> master, showq, qmgr and pickup is active, but not smtpd
[20:05:55] <vice-versa> nope, it starts master which runs smtpd and friends as needed
[20:05:57] <kedare> are*
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[20:07:30] <kedare> any ideas ?
[20:07:57] <vice-versa> yeah, tell us what your real issue is
[20:08:41] <kedare> vice-versa: i need a smtp server....
[20:09:00] <kedare> and i don't know why but postfix don't launch its smtp server
[20:09:14] <kedare> i am runing on ubuntu server
[20:09:16] <lunaphyte_> kedare: wtf are you talking about?
[20:09:22] <vice-versa> what makes you think it isn't?
[20:09:28] <lunaphyte_> is postfix working or not?
[20:09:39] <kedare> yes and no
[20:10:11] <kedare> i can't send mail to outside and inside, but i can't send mail using my server from outside (with thunderbird by example)
[20:10:14] <kedare> $can
[20:10:28] <kedare> first can't is can, sorry :p
[20:10:29] <lunaphyte_> !telnet
[20:10:30] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "telnet" : Have you tried to reach your mail server from outside your local network? Try telnet [server] 25 and see if you get Connected to... . See also: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/smtp.htm#s1
[20:10:33] <lunaphyte_> err,
[20:10:42] <lunaphyte_> !tell kedare telnet
[20:10:43] <knoba> kedare: -> "telnet" : Have you tried to reach your mail server from outside your local network? Try telnet [server] 25 and see if you get Connected to... . See also: http://www.metaconsultancy.com/whitepapers/smtp.htm#s1
[20:11:16] <kedare> knoba: the SMTPD daemon ISN'T running
[20:11:17] <lunaphyte_> same goes for loopback.  have you done that?
[20:11:19] <seekwill> That URL doesn't work
[20:11:37] <lunaphyte_> crap.  everything is just falling apart.  :p
[20:12:11] <lunaphyte_> kedare: you are hung up on whether or not some process you've decided should be running is or isn't.  use telnet and test.
[20:12:19] <vice-versa> that's what you get for stealing my mouse... ;)
[20:12:20] <kedare> try telnet kedare.eu 25 and see...
[20:12:36] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: oops!  :)
[20:12:52] <shasta> netstat -nap | grep 25
[20:12:58] <shasta> (if it's linux)
[20:13:22] <kedare> that return a lot of lines
[20:13:23] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: have at it - i'll sit back an enjoy this one :p
[20:13:28] <lunaphyte_> *and
[20:13:31] <kedare> 15034/master
[20:13:50] <kedare> that strange, i can connect to the smtp server from localhost, but not from outside :/
[20:14:11] <shasta> !tell kedare inet_interfaces
[20:14:12] <knoba> kedare: -> "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[20:14:17] <lunaphyte_> very strange
[20:14:22] <shasta> also, firewall
[20:14:29] <kedare> there is no firewalls
[20:14:31] <shasta> (either your, or your isp's)
[20:14:39] <lunaphyte_> there is no spoons.
[20:14:46] <kedare> inet_interfaces = all
[20:16:21] <vice-versa> !pants
[20:16:22] <knoba> vice-versa: "pants" : I can't locate my pants, where the hell are they?
[20:16:55] <kedare> no ideas ?
[20:17:09] <shasta> $ telnet kedare.eu 25
[20:17:09] <shasta> Trying 91.121.192.117...
[20:17:09] <shasta> Connected to kedare.eu.
[20:17:09] <shasta> Escape character is '^]'.
[20:17:19] <shasta> (no banner, tho; dns issues?)
[20:17:25] <kedare> hmm
[20:17:45] <kedare> mathieu-macbook:~ kedare$ telnet kedare.eu 25
[20:17:45] <kedare> Trying 91.121.192.117...
[20:17:45] <shasta> EHLO bluzg.slackware.pl
[20:17:45] <shasta> Connection closed by foreign host.
[20:17:45] <kedare> telnet: connect to address 91.121.192.117: Operation timed out
[20:17:45] <kedare> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
[20:17:57] <vice-versa> or incorrect smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[20:18:20] <vice-versa> !maincf smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[20:18:27] <Nockian> kedare: what does your mail log say?
[20:19:12] <kedare> Sep 15 20:17:56 kedare postfix/master[15034]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 18083 exit status 1
[20:19:12] <kedare> Sep 15 20:17:56 kedare postfix/master[15034]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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[20:20:05] <lunaphyte_> look back farther.
[20:20:09] <_RiCo_> when i run postfix set-permission, then coming a msg
[20:20:57] <_RiCo_> chown: cannot access `/opt/man/man1/postmap.1': No such file or directory
[20:21:08] <shasta> _RiCo_, I told you what to do to fix the earlier error. you should now be able to extrapolate that knowledge to your current problem. running a mailserver requires some unix knowledge, sorry
[20:21:16] <shasta> you are obviously missing the docs
[20:21:46] <kedare> there was a problem with the IP, i fixed it, but it still don't work...
[20:22:17] <kedare> but i'm not sure if it's correct
[20:22:19] <kedare> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 91.121.192.0/24 87.98.185.0/24
[20:23:05] <shasta> use "mynetworks = 127.0.0.1" to find out
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[20:23:16] <rsavu> hello all.
[20:23:46] <Nockian> mynetworks= needs to be separated by commas, i believe
[20:24:04] <vice-versa> optional
[20:24:23] <shasta> Nockian, not necessarily
[20:24:24] <kedare> shasta: but if i put only 127.0.0.1 i'l only can connect from localhost ?
[20:24:26] <Nockian> not sure about the [] stuff
[20:24:39] <shasta> kedare, not only
[20:24:53] <vice-versa> he really needs to read some docs
[20:24:56] <shasta> kedare, about time to read what mynetworks is
[20:25:01] <shasta> right ;)
[20:25:03] <vice-versa> !docs
[20:25:04] <knoba> vice-versa: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
[20:25:05] <kedare> so mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8
[20:25:10] <vice-versa> !basic
[20:25:11] <knoba> vice-versa: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[20:25:14] <shasta> great minds think alike, vice-versa? ;0
[20:25:19] <vice-versa> :)
[20:25:28] <cpm> Push the button, Frank!
[20:26:42] <kedare> don't work after restarting :(
[20:27:24] <vice-versa> 220 kedare.eu ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[20:27:39] <kedare> vice-versa: time out from my home computer
[20:27:51] <kedare> but ok from localhost
[20:28:08] <vice-versa> so if it works for me, where do you think the problem is?
[20:28:37] <vice-versa> and no I'm not on your LAN
[20:28:51] <kedare> vice-versa: my server is on a datacenter, not on lan
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[20:29:09] <kedare> i don't know what the problem
[20:29:17] <shasta> maybe your ISP is blocking outgoing tcp/25?
[20:29:19] <vice-versa> I was being facetious
[20:29:27] <shasta> use tcptraceroute to find out
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[20:29:39] <kedare> shasta: i don't think, i have no prolem to connect to another mail server like gmail
[20:30:13] <kedare> shasta: but i can connect to any other service on the server
[20:30:52] <kedare> i try with -p25
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[20:31:19] <shasta> 220 kedare.eu ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[20:31:19] <shasta> EHLO bluzg.slackware.pl
[20:31:19] <shasta> 250-kedare.eu
[20:31:23] <Dominian> ubuntu
[20:31:24] <shasta> works fine here
[20:31:26] <Dominian> hahah
[20:31:35] <Dominian> I had nothing but issues with Ubuntu's default postfix install
[20:31:44] <Dominian> its nothing but a mess.. at least onthe box I was working on
[20:32:01] <lunaphyte_> i bet it's a nat issue.
[20:32:03] <kedare> traceroute can connect to port 25
[20:32:29] <lunaphyte_> hmm
[20:33:13] <kedare> but telnet and mail client can't
[20:34:11] <kedare> hmm
[20:34:17] <kedare> there is and error
[20:34:18] <kedare> Sep 14 09:27:44 kedare postfix/smtp[25672]: 8C823F7C7: to=<mathieupoussin at free dot fr>, relay=none, delay=389329, delays=389329/0.01/0/0, dsn=4.3.5, status=deferred (mail for 127.0.0.1 loops back to myself)
[20:34:48] <kedare> i didn't send mail
[20:35:09] <kedare> there is also warning: relayhost configuration problem
[20:35:28] <kedare> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 118-168-134-41.dynamic.hinet.net[118.168.134.41]: 554 5.7.1 <poi at mail2000 dot com.tw>: Relay access denied; from=<hi7176s.pp4580 at msa dot hinet.net> to=<poi at mail2000 dot com.tw> proto=SMTP helo=<91.121.192.117>
[20:36:11] <shasta> there comes this time, when you have to pastebin those: postconf -n; cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[20:36:37] <rsavu> hello all. how can i figure out why all my mails get into spam in gmail and yahoo? i'm not in any blacklist since i only opened the domain
[20:36:42] <kedare> ok
[20:37:01] <vice-versa> great, the can smell the potential relaying opportunity all the way from Taiwan
[20:37:08] <kedare> main.cf or master.cf ?
[20:37:20] <pickcoder> rsavu: you're sending from a dynamic IP?
[20:37:26] <rsavu> no
[20:37:32] <rsavu> regular routable ip
[20:37:35] <sysmonk> uuu, i have a better question
[20:37:35] <rsavu> also
[20:37:38] <sysmonk> rsavu: you're sending spam?
[20:37:38] <sysmonk> ;))
[20:37:53] <rsavu> haha ... no ... just test mail to my yahoo and gmail accounts
[20:38:02] <sysmonk> !check
[20:38:03] <knoba> sysmonk: "check" : You can check your spf / dkim / domain-keys settings by sending an email to check-auth at verifier dot port25.com. It will auto-respond with some debug informations about your settings and spam-score.
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[20:38:04] <sysmonk> rsavu: ^^
[20:38:13] <sysmonk> try sending there and look at the scores you'll get
[20:38:20] <shasta> rsavu, to be precise, every IP address is routable.
[20:38:20] <sysmonk> maybe you'll find something 'bad' :)
[20:38:22] <rsavu> i have a dns txt entry with spf and also postfix-policyd-spf-python installed
[20:38:27] <sysmonk> or,as vice-versa said before, something 'negative'
[20:38:28] <pickcoder> is dkim worth the setup?
[20:39:32] <rsavu> SPF check:          pass
[20:39:33] <rsavu> DomainKeys check:   neutral
[20:39:33] <rsavu> DKIM check:         neutral
[20:39:33] <rsavu> Sender-ID check:    pass
[20:39:33] <rsavu> SpamAssassin check: ham
[20:39:41] <sysmonk> don't fucking paste here
[20:39:43] <sysmonk> use a pastebin
[20:39:49] <jduggan_> yea
[20:39:50] <jduggan_> or else!
[20:39:52] <jduggan_> ;]
[20:39:52] <sysmonk> too many pasters in the channel today
[20:40:05] <rsavu> sorry
[20:40:05] <rsavu> :p
[20:40:07] <cpm> kill them! kill them all!
[20:40:17] <shasta> seek & destroy!
[20:40:17] <kedare> here is main.cf
[20:40:18] <sysmonk> somebody tried to paste postfix's verbose log into the channel a few hours ago
[20:40:18] <kedare> http://rafb.net/p/4WV6R871.html
[20:40:19] <sysmonk> ;(
[20:40:26] <jduggan_> did you /kb
[20:40:27] * cpm pastes sysmonk
[20:40:27] <jduggan_> :|
[20:40:33] <sysmonk> jduggan_: i don't have a user here :P
[20:40:34] <rsavu> don't do that :) ... so ... i'm ham not spam ... and spf check is pass
[20:40:39] <rsavu> any other ideeas?
[20:41:04] <shasta> kedare, that's not what I asked for :)
[20:41:10] <kedare> oh
[20:41:41] <kedare> shasta: you cant the result of the command ?
[20:41:57] <pickcoder> is there a reference for DKIM setup?
[20:41:57] <vice-versa> rsavu: how are you sending this test?
[20:42:05] <shasta> postconf -n is easier to analyse; no irrelevant comments ;)
[20:42:06] <shasta> anyway
[20:42:09] <rsavu> through webmail vice-versa
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[20:42:23] <kedare> there is
[20:42:24] <kedare> http://rafb.net/p/7sLOTI51.html
[20:42:26] <shasta> kedare, first of all, fix this: mydestination = kedare.eu, localhost.ovh.net, , localhost
[20:43:14] <shasta> i'll leave the exercise of finding out the broken bits for you :)
[20:43:14] <vice-versa> rsavu: try something else, could be picking up on X-webstuffhere in the headers maybe
[20:43:25] <kedare> to mydestination = kedare.eu  ?
[20:43:47] <shasta> kedare, you should *really* read some docs
[20:43:50] <sysmonk> shasta: let me guess ;P
[20:43:53] <shasta> and I mean *REALLY*
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[20:44:13] <sysmonk> ho devdas
[20:44:21] <devdas> hey sysmonk
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[20:44:36] <rsavu> vice-versa, do you think that squirrelmail has somehow screwed with my headers?
[20:44:40] <kedare> shasta: i know :)
[20:44:50] <kedare> mydestination = localhost ?
[20:45:01] <jeffpc> how come I get only one copy of the email if I do this (root is aliased to jeffpc):   $ echo test | mail -b root at example dot com -s test jeffpc at example dot com
[20:45:08] <shasta> sysmonk, http://toxcorp.com/fun/idiot.jpg :-P
[20:45:22] <Dominian> jeffpc: because you're aliasing off the address so only one email is sent
[20:45:25] <vice-versa> rsavu: how would I know, you got the mail, you tell me
[20:45:27] <sysmonk> shasta: i see my name in the url
[20:45:40] <sysmonk> oh, sure, and my pic inside
[20:45:41] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:45:52] <shasta> kedare, *read* *the* *docs*.
[20:45:57] <shasta> (;
[20:45:59] <kedare> ok;..
[20:46:11] <rsavu> vice-versa, it's the default squirrel config, and i need to be able to send through the web interface explicitly...
[20:46:15] <jeffpc> Dominian: but what if I do want duplicates?
[20:47:11] <Dominian> always_bcc maybe?
[20:47:15] <Dominian> or always_cc
[20:47:16] <jeffpc> Dominian: I'm trying to set up a bug tracker, and it uses a whole domain.... and I want to be able to send an email to nnn@, Bcc'ing control@
[20:47:22] <jeffpc> hmmm
[20:47:30] <Dominian> !bcc
[20:47:31] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "bcc" is not a valid command.
[20:47:32] <vice-versa> rsavu: have you tryed anything else? it was merely a suggestion about the headers
[20:47:33] <Dominian> !always_bcc
[20:47:34] <knoba> Dominian: "always_bcc" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional address that receives a "blind carbon copy" of each message that is received by the Postfix mail system.
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[20:48:15] <rsavu> i just tried with outlook. it doesn't work. i have a spf policy in place. what else should i be on the lookout for?
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[20:48:36] <rsavu> maybe it has something to do with my dns server but dnsstuff.com is now a paid service which is just a bummer
[20:48:40] <vice-versa> DNS, ptr
[20:48:40] <jeffpc> Dominian: and always_cc does the same thing with the cc header, right?
[20:49:31] <shasta> there's no "always_cc"
[20:49:39] <vice-versa> rsavu: what's the ip of the server?
[20:49:41] <rsavu> should i set a ptr for my mx ip?
[20:49:47] <rsavu> 81.181.152.23
[20:50:14] <vice-versa> yes, absolutely
[20:50:16] <sysmonk> oh my, you don't have a ptr?
[20:50:16] <sysmonk> ;)
[20:50:35] <jeffpc> Dominian: always_bcc sounds like something that'll get a copy of all emails, I just want postfix to be "dumb" and send a copy of the email to all the Cc/Bcc recipients
[20:50:54] <rsavu> vice-versa anything else?
[20:51:39] <rsavu> i can't do a ptr because that ip was assigned to me by my isp
[20:51:41] <vice-versa> make sure A and helo match
[20:51:49] <shasta> !tell jeffpc enable_original_recipient
[20:51:49] <brd> rsavu: I have an account @ DNSstuff.com if you would like me to run a test?
[20:51:50] <knoba> jeffpc: -> "enable_original_recipient" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Enable support for the X-Original-To message header. This header is needed for multi-recipient mailboxes.
[20:52:06] <vice-versa> right, you have to call them
[20:52:09] <rsavu> and my isp has all the ptrs for all the ips
[20:52:26] <rsavu> A and helo match? meaning what exactly?
[20:52:43] <mitcheloc> can i use content_filter and reject an e-mail before it's been queued?
[20:53:07] <shasta> mitcheloc, http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_PROXY_README.html
[20:53:28] <mitcheloc> shasta: ahh, perfect, thank you
[20:54:16] <vice-versa> rsavu: like this one for example  81.181.152.4		smtp.skymail.ro
[20:54:51] <vice-versa> smtp.skymail.ro     	A	81.181.152.4
[20:54:52] <rsavu> thx vice-versa. first i'll contact my isp to do a ptr for me
[20:55:09] <jeffpc> ok, I'll try it later
[20:55:16] <rsavu> as i now read from google... ptr is very important for sending mails
[20:55:17] <jeffpc> thanks
[20:55:22] <vice-versa> myhostname = smtp.skymail.ro
[20:55:43] <vice-versa> rsavu: yes it is
[20:56:17] <rsavu> any site on which i can test my dns config for free?
[20:56:20] <rsavu> except dnsstuff.com/
[20:56:32] <sysmonk> dnsstuff.com went commercial afair
[20:56:43] <sysmonk> was nice, used it before
[20:56:53] <kedare> shasta: i found nothing on the doc on the "why you can connect to my server and not me..."
[20:57:03] <rsavu> i know sysmonk. any alternatives?
[20:57:57] <shasta> http://www.robtex.com/dns/
[20:58:05] <mitcheloc> shasta: would you have a tip for the after-queue content filter, i have a case where i'd like it to take over delivery of the mail (and it will NOT be via smtp), therefore postfix should just be happy to have passed on responsiblity
[20:58:22] <mitcheloc> it sounds like i just need a specific return code
[20:58:39] <shasta> then you need a transport, not a content_filter? :)
[20:59:02] <mitcheloc> a transport? i don't want to have to write too much code =P
[20:59:15] <mitcheloc> currently content filter does almost what i need.. i'm using a bash file to process the mail
[20:59:20] <kedare> shasta: me ?
[20:59:42] <devdas> mitcheloc: a pipe(8)
[20:59:56] <REyM> there is no forks
[21:00:06] <REyM> oh wait, have to scroll down
[21:00:13] <vice-versa> will a spoon do?
[21:00:27] <shasta> in soviet russia, spoon does you
[21:00:27] <REyM> yeah I'll use a spork
[21:00:53] <kedare> pleaaase :(
[21:02:00] <mitcheloc> devdas/shasta: okay, i think i get it.. use transport:filter and then have this in master.cf: filter    unix  -       n       n       -       10      pipe
[21:02:01] <mitcheloc>     flags=Rq user=filter argv=/usr/src/postfix/filter -f ${sender} -- ${recipient}
[21:02:09] <mitcheloc> please correct me if i'm wrong
[21:02:13] <devdas> yes
[21:02:26] <mitcheloc> thanks :)
[21:02:54] <kedare> afk
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[21:08:09] <kedare> so nobody can help me ? :(
[21:08:42] <vice-versa> well if today's volley in here tells us anything, it's we disparately need a factoid with a url to an "Internet Mail Primer" and "Message Basics 101"
[21:08:50] <vice-versa> ...that and email is going straight to fucking hell
[21:09:10] <sysmonk> vice-versa: did you mistype hotmail there?
[21:09:39] <vice-versa> nope
[21:09:49] <sysmonk> ;P
[21:09:55] <vice-versa> ms is the devil, that's a given sysmonk
[21:10:18] <kedare> do you still can connect to the smtp server ?
[21:10:46] <vice-versa> nope
[21:10:57] <vice-versa> Connection closed by foreign host.
[21:11:13] <brd> firewall?
[21:11:13] <vice-versa> freaking foreign hosts
[21:11:21] <kedare> hmm
[21:11:22] <sysmonk> haha
[21:11:25] <kedare> strange :/
[21:11:28] <sysmonk> vice-versa: damn, it's just the same thing i wanted to say!
[21:11:29] <sysmonk> :))
[21:13:15] <shasta> so you *can* connect, but remote party closes the connection
[21:13:28] <vice-versa> yes
[21:13:31] <kedare> and now ?
[21:13:39] <shasta> same
[21:14:09] <sysmonk> kedare: get a host, telnet yourself
[21:14:22] <kedare> i telnet and that never work...
[21:14:52] <sysmonk> oh my, you won't belive it, if it doesn't work for you, then mostly it won't work for us too
[21:15:13] <vice-versa> I'm thinking it just isn't meant to be kedare
[21:15:25] <brd> lol
[21:15:29] <kedare> sysmonk: 30min ago every body connected with success to the server except me....
[21:15:57] <sysmonk> kedare: poor thing
[21:16:02] <kedare> yhea..
[21:16:06] <kedare> postfix look buggy :/
[21:16:23] <shasta> rrrright ;)
[21:16:26] <vice-versa> ok, now that's just wrong
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[21:16:48] <vice-versa> get `em cpm
[21:17:01] <sysmonk> cpm: fetch!
[21:17:02] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:17:08] <brd> kedare: try tcpdumping on the server to see if your packets even get that far?
[21:17:09] <cpm> woof!
[21:17:16] <sysmonk> good doggie!;)
[21:17:31] <kedare> oops i forgot a number on the ip :p
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[21:17:53] <sysmonk> o_o
[21:17:54] <shasta> do we have a !pebkac factoid? (-8
[21:18:01] <sysmonk> !pebkac
[21:18:02] <knoba> sysmonk: "pebkac" : short for "problem exists between keyboard and chair" - taken from a cartoon at http://www.userfriendly.org
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[21:18:09] <shasta> we do \o/
[21:18:13] <sysmonk> yey
[21:18:13] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:18:17] <shasta> !tell kedare pebkac
[21:18:18] <knoba> kedare: -> "pebkac" : short for "problem exists between keyboard and chair" - taken from a cartoon at http://www.userfriendly.org
[21:18:20] <shasta> :-P
[21:18:24] <kedare> what the problem with my ip mask ?
[21:18:24] <kedare> atal: bad net/mask pattern: "1.121.192.0/64"
[21:18:34] <vice-versa> lol
[21:18:36] <shasta> LOL
[21:18:42] <kedare> except the missing number on begin :d
[21:18:45] <shasta> a /64 mask for ipv4 address? ;)
[21:18:54] <kedare> it /32 ?
[21:19:10] <sysmonk> yes, 32
[21:19:12] <shasta> do you have _any_ idea what a netmask is?
[21:19:32] <shasta> "double precision ipv4", *grin*
[21:19:32] <vice-versa> no, but they look way cool
[21:19:52] <sysmonk> hehe
[21:20:09] <sysmonk> and he wanted it to be even more cool, so he used a /64
[21:20:18] <shasta> (.0/32 is quite unlikely as well)
[21:20:31] <sysmonk> hah
[21:20:35] <sysmonk> didn't see that
[21:20:38] <Signum> A user once told me he used the .255 in a class C network because nobody else seemed to use it yet.
[21:20:43] <lunaphyte_> for mynetworks?
[21:20:45] <vice-versa> I was actually waiting for, "but i use AMD64"
[21:20:48] <Signum> I heard rumors of broadcast floods in that vlan.
[21:20:53] <shasta> rotfl
[21:21:02] <sysmonk> Signum: niiiice ;)
[21:21:07] <lunaphyte_> just say f it and go with 0/0
[21:21:07] <kedare> 91.121.192.0/32 is the correct ip mask for 91.121.192.117 ?
[21:21:08] <Signum> But for him it seemed to work.
[21:21:11] <brd> Signum: I used .255 is /16s all the time because people would avoid it ;)
[21:21:15] <shasta> kedare, no
[21:21:21] <kedare> 91.121.192.117/32 ?
[21:21:24] <Signum> brd: not too bad in /16 anyway :)
[21:21:39] <shasta> kedare, GO READ THE DOCS
[21:21:44] <brd> Signum: right, and it was a quick way to find an open IP
[21:21:59] <shasta> running a mailserver requires some network/protocols knowledge
[21:22:12] <Signum> brd: We sometimes used /23 networks. you wouldn't believe how much that confused our server admins. "How can I read the 10.0.1.254 gateway when the net is 10.0.0.0/23? It's another network."
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[21:23:08] <Sailias> hey....
[21:23:11] <Sailias> virtual_alias_maps map lookup problem for : @mydomain.com
[21:23:17] <Sailias> in mail.log
[21:24:24] <brd> Signum: heheh
[21:24:35] <Sailias> as a result of the following lines to main.cf  http://rafb.net/p/azLIRJ28.html
[21:25:11] <vice-versa> !tell kedare cidrnotation
[21:25:13] <knoba> kedare: -> "cidrnotation" : Classless Inter-Domain Routing : See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIDR
[21:25:23] <vice-versa> some more reading
[21:25:25] <kedare> thanks
[21:26:30] <kedare> so it's 91.121.192.117/25 ?
[21:27:02] <vice-versa> no, read it again, a little slower this time
[21:27:11] <vice-versa> !tell Sailias wait
[21:27:12] <knoba> Sailias: -> "wait" : Thank you for choosing #postfix for your postfix related issue. All our knowledgeable volunteers are currently busy or have more important things to take care of. Your inquiries are very important to us, please wait until the next knowledgeable volunteer becomes available. (knoba queues admin waiting music)
[21:28:11] <Signum> vice-versa: your factoids sicken me :)
[21:28:25] <brd> lol, that is awesome
[21:28:27] <kedare> vice-versa: i don't know :(
[21:28:29] <vice-versa> get any on ya?
[21:28:47] <kedare> and why postfix want that ,
[21:28:48] <kedare> ?
[21:28:57] <kedare> on apache by exemple you puts the IP and it work
[21:29:08] <kedare> why not here ?
[21:29:18] <shasta> running a mailserver requires some network/protocols knowledge
[21:29:26] <shasta> sorry, that's just how it works
[21:29:33] <kedare> why ?
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[21:29:37] <brd> lol
[21:29:40] <vice-versa> damn interwebs
[21:30:11] <brd> kedare: you should always understand as much as possible about what you are trying to do, it will help you understand what is not working and why..
[21:30:11] <shasta> kedare, to that I'll have my favourite answer, "why not?"
[21:30:45] <kedare> shasta: because it's useless ?
[21:30:51] <shasta> after all, there must be something that professionals can earn money from
[21:31:17] <brd> lol
[21:31:25] <shasta> if everyone on earth could do anything equally well, the global economy would fall :>
[21:32:38] <kedare> 91.121.192.117/24 ?
[21:32:45] <shasta> ...
[21:32:54] <shasta> what is this, some kind of a quiz show?
[21:33:02] <shasta> kedare, ask your network admin.
[21:33:08] <brd> Sailias: the virtual alias map shouldn't contain the @?
[21:33:23] <sysmonk> shasta: but i AM the net^W^W^W^W^W sure i will ...
[21:33:36] <kedare> shasta: i have to open a ticket for that... and wait between 3 and 10 days....
[21:33:42] <brd> sysmonk: I hate those error messages ;)
[21:33:50] <shasta> kedare, go read some postfix docs in meantime :>
[21:33:51] <kedare> i juste want the ip mask
[21:33:54] <sysmonk> brd: which error messages?
[21:34:03] <sysmonk> kedare: your SLA sucks
[21:34:06] <shasta> ;]
[21:34:10] <kedare> sysmonk: i know
[21:34:19] <sysmonk> kedare: wanna buy some SLA from me? :P
[21:34:20] <brd> sysmonk: "please contact your systems administrator.."
[21:34:26] <kedare> but dedicated for 11?/month
[21:34:31] <kedare> so...
[21:34:38] <brd> sysmonk: mostly from m$ systems
[21:34:38] <sysmonk> brd: um, never seen those. where do you get them?
[21:34:46] <shasta> sysmonk, here
[21:34:47] <shasta> :P
[21:34:47] <sysmonk> ah... those... i don't use those
[21:35:00] <brd> sysmonk: me either, but coworkers do :/
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[21:35:45] <vice-versa> what I don't get, it was given to him already was it not? yet he continues to guess
[21:35:46] <sysmonk> brd: 3 out of 3 coworkers in my team don't use windows ;)
[21:36:39] <sysmonk> i'm on freebsd, my other co-worker is on openbsd, and one on mac || *buntu
[21:37:33] <brd> sysmonk: nice, we are 2 on OS X, and one Windows
[21:38:49] <kedare> it's 91.121.192.0/25 ?
[21:39:09] <sysmonk> brd: there is another team which admins hosting servers, 2 of 3 use winblows there
[21:39:36] <sysmonk> so it depends on the people
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[21:39:47] <brd> sysmonk: yeah, most of the office uses winblows.. but I leave those to the other admin that actually runs it :)
[21:39:58] <sysmonk> heh
[21:40:11] <brd> sysmonk: I only care about the servers ;)
[21:40:56] <vice-versa> kedare: are you aware that's 128 host addresses?
[21:41:30] <sysmonk> vice-versa: liar!
[21:41:37] <sysmonk> vice-versa: that's 126 usable addresses!
[21:41:50] <vice-versa> that's it, fan the flames
[21:41:57] <sysmonk> hehe
[21:41:58] <sysmonk> ;))
[21:41:59] <brd> hahaha
[21:43:06] <kedare> :/
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[21:47:45] <vice-versa> how's Sailias making out?
[21:50:04] <vice-versa> Sailias: you're missing proxy: off your second virtual_alias_maps btw
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[22:12:46] <jeev> !debug
[22:12:48] <knoba> jeev: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
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[22:16:15] <jeev> this is weird
[22:16:18] <jeev> i used to debug another way
[22:16:23] <jeev> i forgot.. it was running the daemon manually
[22:17:41] <vice-versa> huh?
[22:17:54] <jeev> i recall in the past, debugging postfix by running the command with debug arguments
[22:17:56] <jeev> i've forgotten.
[22:18:04] <jeev> smtpd -D isn't showing me crap, maybe i'm lookin at the wrong logs ?
[22:18:07] <jeev> i hate not documenting shit
[22:18:25] <vice-versa> you mean verbose logging?
[22:18:32] <jeev> yes sir!
[22:18:35] <jeev> god i'm a doofoid
[22:18:38] <jeev> !verbose
[22:18:39] <knoba> jeev: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[22:18:40] <vice-versa> !verbose
[22:18:42] <knoba> vice-versa: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in rare cases the extra detail can assist in debugging. To set verbose logging add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that.
[22:18:45] <jeev> ahhhh
[22:18:46] <jeev> jesus
[22:18:51] <vice-versa> yes
[22:19:35] <jeev> input attribute name: Can't locate version.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8 .)
[22:19:38] <jeev> 0_o
[22:19:40] <jeev> DOOFUS
[22:19:43] <jeev> someone slap me
[22:20:28] <jeev> now i have to find all the perl shit i'm issing
[22:20:28] <jeev> missing
[22:20:47] <vice-versa> cpan
[22:20:55] <jeev> pkg_info | grep p5 | cut -d " " -f1
[22:20:57] <jeev> lot of crap.
[22:21:14] <vice-versa> why is it missing in the first place?
[22:21:41] <jeev> oh
[22:21:41] <jeev> pkg_info | grep p5 | cut -d " " -f1 | grep -v php5 | cut -d "-" -f2,3
[22:21:44] <jeev> that'll help, then cpan
[22:21:54] <jeev> uh, i tarred up postfix on old server.. the cnofig and shit
[22:21:59] <jeev> i didn't feel like building from scratch ?
[22:22:15] <jeev> postfix with dkim and all that crap, amavisd-new especially with it's piss poor documentation took me a month,.
[22:22:44] <vice-versa> tsk tsk
[22:22:53] <jeev> :))
[22:23:12] <vice-versa> don't be bad mouthing amavisd-new now
[22:23:16] <vice-versa> ;)
[22:23:17] <jeev> heh
[22:23:20] <jeev> it's awesome, documentation is lacking
[22:23:31] <vice-versa> good job for you
[22:23:38] <jeev> huh
[22:23:41] <vice-versa> give something back
[22:24:01] <jeev> i have a.d.d.
[22:24:03] <jeev> now, knowing that, ask me again
[22:24:07] <vice-versa> It's not all take you know
[22:24:19] <jeev> i know.
[22:25:06] <jeev> i can't focus on anything
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[22:25:34] <vice-versa> get some meds
[22:25:50] <jeev> and turn into a depressed maniac like the avg american? :)
[22:26:09] <vice-versa> Ritalin supposedly works good
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[22:27:25] <pickcoder> ritalin.. meh
[22:27:40] <jeev> heh
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[22:28:19] <vice-versa> pickcoder: you don't like?
[22:28:44] <pickcoder> too many parents use it to avoid discipline
[22:28:44] <jeev> vice-versa, i dont take meds.
[22:28:52] <jeev> i dont even take headache medicine
[22:28:55] <jeev> i'll let it go on 4 days if i have to
[22:28:57] <jeev> meds are for panzies
[22:30:45] <vice-versa> pickcoder: heh, we can partially blame child services for that
[22:30:48] <pickcoder> I don't really care, though.. as long as those types mind their business when I pop a hand in the grocery store for grabbing stuff off the shelf.
[22:31:08] <pickcoder> yeah well...
[22:31:32] <Signum> Gah, converting from mysql to postgresql is a pain.
[22:31:51] <pickcoder> Signum: a requirement.. or a test?
[22:32:36] <Signum> pickcoder: A PITA that I'd finally like to red rid of. :)
[22:32:57] <pickcoder> it's not crashing is it?
[22:32:59] <pickcoder> heh
[22:33:46] <Signum> pickcoder: Nah. But it's slow and bloated like hell. And the backup system I use here is using "MyISAM" for inreased performance. They better not try that with InnoDB.
[22:35:54] <xpoint> Signum, you tell me that myisam is faster then innodb ?
[22:36:41] <xpoint> maybe for static data yes maybe
[22:37:10] <xpoint> but for dynamic no, please tell me if i am wroung here
[22:37:35] <pickcoder> how can a database be dynamic
[22:37:40] * pickcoder scratching head
[22:37:40] <Signum> xpoint: Rumors say that MyISAM is far less capable (transactions for example) and thus faster for simple things.
[22:38:06] <xpoint> fair
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[22:50:21] <jeffpc> is duplicate elimination necessary? or is it supposed to just be a feature to make things nicer for the user? (I'm ponding about making duplicate_filter_limit = 0)
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[23:17:26] <jeffpc> the problem I'm trying to solve is... if I send an email to nnn@foo and mmm@foo, and I have all of @foo go to a pipe to an external process
[23:17:44] <jeffpc> only one copy gets delivered when I Bcc
[23:17:48] <jeffpc> => really bad
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[23:23:16] <pickcoder> I thought BCC's were treated as individual deliveries
[23:25:21] <jeffpc> yeah, I thought so too
[23:25:25] <jeffpc> bugs.josefsipek.net             debbugs:
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[23:25:32] <jeffpc> that's from my transports file
[23:25:43] <jeffpc> transport_map file
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[23:26:12] <jeffpc> so it can't even know that it all ends up being the kinda the same
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[23:27:35] <jeffpc> debbugs   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe flags=FR user=debbugs argv=/home/debbugs/usr/lib/debbugs/receive ${user}
[23:27:39] <jeffpc> for completeness
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[23:36:08] <jeffpc> doh! I think I found the problem... ${transport}_destination_recipient_limit > 1
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[23:45:07] <pickcoder> that will help
[23:50:27] <jeffpc> yeah, that did it
[23:50:42] <jeffpc> so it turned from a mutt bug, to a postfix bug, to a user error :)
[23:50:44] <jeffpc> how typical :)
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