[00:00:20] <sysmonk> that must mean something :P
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[00:00:35] <vice-versa> we're left speechless ;)
[00:00:50] <sysmonk> nah, you just admit the fact ;P
[00:01:52] <dragonheart> i want you. you're so funny and talented
[00:02:04] <sysmonk> haha
[00:02:20] <vice-versa> he means work though..oh wait
[00:02:30] <sysmonk> yeah, i did mean work
[00:02:34] <sysmonk> don't know what dragonheart meant :)
[00:02:44] <dragonheart> call it what you want :-)
[00:03:06] <vice-versa> well it could be work if it's legal we're he's at ;0
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[00:03:30] <sysmonk> vice-versa: so, you're native english speaker?!
[00:03:39] <sysmonk> s/we're/where's/ ?
[00:03:39] <sysmonk> ;)
[00:03:47] <ffeynman> what are internal domain aliases used for? i have an email email at mail dot example.com and it's an internal email since that's the domain specified in myhostname. should I create a mailbox for a user on an internal domain or on a virtual one? I'm not sure what I should alias to what...
[00:04:42] <pickcoder> ffeynman: that makes no sense at all
[00:04:51] <ffeynman> hmm
[00:05:03] <pickcoder> it's best to describe the issue you're trying to solve
[00:05:24] <pickcoder> ffeynman: if it's a local domain then it _should_ be a mailbox
[00:05:34] <pickcoder> what does aliasing have to do with that?
[00:05:35] <vice-versa> sysmonk: yeah I know, I have lots of brain farts when I'm typing quickly and I'm half distracted, please forgive me
[00:05:44] <pickcoder> [i.e. what are you trying to accomplish]
[00:06:00] <sysmonk> vice-versa: heh, sure, i understand it. it's 1 am here too
[00:06:14] <ffeynman> well, when I add a new domain and postfix admin asks me if I want to add default aliases, it aliases everything to an internal domain: abuse at mx dot example.com. I don't have mailboxes for any of these things on an intenrnal domain so it's failing to deliver those
[00:06:58] <ffeynman> i'm wodnering if I should add abuse at example dot com for each domain as a mailbox or should I create a mailbox on abuse at mx dot example.com and alias all other abuse@ to there...
[00:07:29] <pickcoder> that's up to you
[00:07:46] <pickcoder> a lot of admins alias it all to one mailbox and manage it from there
[00:07:52] <ffeynman> ok!
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[00:08:23] <vice-versa> sysmonk: and for what it's worth, we have two official languages here, and I'm terrible with both of them
[00:08:34] <ffeynman> what I'd like to know is whether they use an internal domain, say mx.example.com, as a mailbox or do they use one of the virtual domains for it
[00:08:34] <sysmonk> haha
[00:08:42] <sysmonk> vice-versa: which are those?
[00:08:49] <vice-versa> both English and French
[00:09:00] <sysmonk> ouch
[00:09:03] <pickcoder> ffeynman: if you've got access to the machine then why not use a local mailbox and make it simple
[00:09:07] <sysmonk> (bout the second one, that is)
[00:09:27] <ffeynman> pickcoder: ok... makes sense! i'll use local one.
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[00:09:31] <ffeynman> thx
[00:09:49] <vice-versa> for me natively, second is French
[00:10:05] * pickcoder speaks Pick as a second language
[00:10:10] <sysmonk> i don't know which is native to me
[00:10:22] <sysmonk> i've graduated a polish school + i'm polish
[00:10:32] <sysmonk> and i live in lithuania for the whole life
[00:10:36] <vice-versa> I was actually raised in the UK in my early childhood
[00:10:40] <sysmonk> so it's polish or lithuanian
[00:10:58] <bziobnic> for some reason, data_directory is not set (does not appear in postconf output) even though it is being explicitly set to /var/lib/postfix in main.cf. ideas?
[00:11:33] <sysmonk> bziobnic: mistype ?
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[00:12:29] <bziobnic> nope: here's c&p: data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
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[00:12:59] <pickcoder> is that postconf -n
[00:13:14] <vice-versa> sysmonk: so in Europe you can pretty much drive for like 15/20 minutes and not understand a word natives are speaking, is that correct?
[00:13:19] <bziobnic> doesn't show up in postconf -n or plain postconf
[00:13:31] <sysmonk> vice-versa: um, why?
[00:13:31] <pickcoder> bziobnic: and you restarted
[00:13:45] <bziobnic> pickcoder: yes
[00:13:58] <vice-versa> sysmonk: that's just how someone described it to me recently
[00:14:01] <pickcoder> *shrug*
[00:14:18] <sysmonk> bziobnic: pastebin your main.cf
[00:14:30] <sysmonk> vice-versa: in lithuania - i understand all languages
[00:14:37] <sysmonk> lithuanian russian and polish
[00:14:57] <vice-versa> many similarities?
[00:15:02] <sysmonk> i'm good at speaking in all of them, and writing, but i suck at writing in cyrylic :)
[00:15:15] <sysmonk> vice-versa: lithuanian with polish/russian - not at all
[00:15:22] <sysmonk> polish and russian do have similarities
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[00:17:06] <vice-versa> sysmonk: good for you, so you know more then four?
[00:17:48] <sysmonk> nope, 4 only
[00:18:20] <echelon> hey guys, i need some help with this.. http://pastebin.com/d27ea733
[00:18:34] <vice-versa> sysmonk: lol, only
[00:18:43] <vice-versa> 2 more than me
[00:18:57] <echelon> i'm trying log into gmail's esmtp server, but for whatever reason it's not working
[00:19:18] <echelon> last line i get is.. 334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
[00:19:33] <bziobnic> http://pastebin.com/m3bd238e3
[00:19:34] <sysmonk> echelon: 1. it's not postfix
[00:19:43] <sysmonk> echelon: 2. smtp can't be accessed via https
[00:19:53] <sysmonk> echelon: 3. it's not #php
[00:20:27] <vice-versa> sysmonk: well I use to know some German, my father was stationed in Germany, but that was long ago and I've since forgotten
[00:20:39] <sysmonk> bziobnic: is it unmodified and full?
[00:20:46] <bziobnic> that's the whole thing
[00:21:13] <echelon> sysmonk: i'm trying to use https because there's no other way to use ssl via curl
[00:21:43] <sysmonk> curl is not meant to connect to smtp
[00:21:56] <sysmonk> and, as i said, it is NOT postfix related at all
[00:22:02] <sysmonk> gmail doesn't run postfix, or does it? :)
[00:22:09] <sysmonk> and if it does, it's heavily modified
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[00:22:26] <echelon> fine :P
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[00:23:19] <vice-versa> sysmonk: most likely an MTA of their own creation
[00:23:37] <sysmonk> vice-versa: i think so too
[00:24:14] <vice-versa> they like their 'it was made here'
[00:25:35] <sysmonk> k, i think i'll go to sleep already, 1:25 am here
[00:25:44] <vice-versa> gnight
[00:25:54] * sysmonk reminds that he is _still_ searching for a job, so pm me if anyone finds something :P
[00:25:59] <sysmonk> s/find/can offer/
[00:26:05] <sysmonk> gnight
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[01:08:51] <abrotman> if your mail.log has a 250 sent message in the log, is there anything more I can do to check the email went where it was supposed to?
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[01:10:00] <vice-versa> abrotman: it's pretty much out of your hands at that point
[01:10:16] <abrotman> so the 250 means .. postfix got rid of it and there were no errors in the exchange?
[01:10:29] <vice-versa> correct
[01:10:42] <abrotman> is there a different number if say .. the network dropped out in the middle of the transmission?
[01:11:00] <abrotman> or it'll say FAIL or something like that
[01:11:27] <vice-versa> there may have been some more details replied back by the remote mta, you'll have to check your logs
[01:11:42] <abrotman> well .. assuming all connection to the recipient is lost
[01:11:56] <abrotman> i've got a recipient that swears the emails aren't getting there, but all logs say 250
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[01:12:26] <abrotman> I kind of figured 250 was the end of it on my side
[01:12:30] <vice-versa> http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/05/21/smtp-replies.html
[01:12:58] <vice-versa> well documented in the RFCs too
[01:13:32] <abrotman> so like a 554 would mean the line went down etc .. or something like that ..
[01:13:38] <abrotman> I'll have their admin check their logs
[01:13:52] <abrotman> vice-versa: thank you .. just wanted to verify I wasn't 100% crazy
[01:14:08] <vice-versa> they won't be that exact, but yeah something is amiss
[01:15:05] <vice-versa> is it a well know host and or service in question?
[01:15:13] <vice-versa> err, known
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[01:16:42] <abrotman> no .. it's between two small offices
[01:16:57] <abrotman> i get their emails .. they got some of mine it seems
[01:17:09] <abrotman> i'm thinking it may be a spam filter
[01:18:57] <vice-versa> abrotman: yeah, after queue filter that is silently discarding mail to not facilitate more problems by being a backscatter pestilence would be my suspicion as well
[01:19:33] <vice-versa> did you happen to get a queue IDs back from the remote mta?
[01:19:47] <vice-versa> s/ get a/get/
[01:20:34] <abrotman> no .. doesn't look like it
[01:20:46] <abrotman> just my local postfix queue id
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[01:23:38] <abrotman> and their mail server doesn't advertise beyond ESMTP
[01:24:24] <abrotman> oh well . i'll wait to hear from their admin
[01:25:27] <vice-versa> abrotman: might be worth connecting with telnet and sending a message or to to postmaster@ or some other account you know there
[01:25:37] <abrotman> i did telnet to it
[01:26:02] <abrotman> but i'm not going to send to any recipients unless they know it's coming
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[01:28:56] <kexman> You cannot log in to mail.virtual.com because the server has disabled login. You may need to connect via SSL or TLS. Please check the account settings for your mail server.
[01:28:59] <kexman> yahooo
[01:29:18] <kexman> this rox :)
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[01:30:50] * vice-versa pats kexman on the head
[01:30:55] <kexman> :)
[01:31:09] <kexman> vice-versa: its starting to look like a somewhat decent mailserver :P
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[02:04:50] <kexman> !cheatsheet
[02:04:52] <knoba> kexman: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
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[02:13:01] <kexman> found out why i cant connect to port's 25 :) isp is doing a good job :)
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[02:18:23] <xpoint_dell> kexman, get a better isp :)
[02:19:24] * raz rubs his eyes
[02:21:41] <kexman> xpoint_dell: the isp is perfectly good
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[02:22:11] <lunaphyte> doesn't sound like it to me.
[02:24:43] <xpoint_dell> kexman, if you do not pay extra for this ip setup thay are good, but if you pay for prof internet access where port 25 is blocked and the ip is in dynamic ip range then you pay to much
[02:25:37] <xpoint_dell> kexman, it does not sound fair to have port 25 open on a dynamic ip
[02:26:11] <lunaphyte> what do you mean?
[02:26:21] <xpoint_dell> kexman, dynamic hostname (reverse dns) makes no sense on static ip either
[02:26:37] <lunaphyte> you think port 25 should be blocked for dynamic addresses?
[02:26:47] <xpoint_dell> definaly yes
[02:27:07] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure i agree with that.
[02:27:18] <xpoint_dell> tell me why then
[02:27:59] <lunaphyte> why shouldn't i be able to accept mail just because i have a dynamic address?
[02:28:34] <xpoint_dell> i did not say address
[02:28:45] <abrotman> kexman: who is your ISP?
[02:29:19] <echelon> postfix reports "Relay access denied" if you're not connecting to it locally?
[02:29:26] <abrotman> lunaphyte: isn't that why we have spam?
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[02:30:16] <kexman> xpoint_dell: i was just testing !!!
[02:30:24] <kexman> of course im not going to use it from here !!!
[02:30:52] <kexman> abrotman: no big isp
[02:31:06] <xpoint_dell> kexman, okay thats why its blocked :)
[02:31:06] <echelon> anyone know when postfix gives that message?
[02:31:41] <xpoint_dell> echelog, its always when you miss smtp auth
[02:32:01] <xpoint_dell> !sasl
[02:32:07] <knoba> xpoint_dell: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[02:32:18] <xpoint_dell> read that link echelog
[02:32:45] <echelon> xpoint_dell: 503 5.5.1 Error: authentication not enabled
[02:33:11] <xpoint_dell> ip ?
[02:33:19] <echelon> ip for what?
[02:33:25] <xpoint_dell> postconf -n
[02:33:30] <xpoint_dell> on pastebin
[02:33:38] <lunaphyte> 24.24: xpoint_dell: kexman, it does not sound fair to have port 25 open on a dynamic ip
[02:33:40] <echelon> actually, it's not my server :\
[02:33:43] <lunaphyte> you did say address.
[02:33:43] <echelon> it's my host
[02:34:13] <xpoint_dell> echelog, then complain to them, there server is borked
[02:34:24] <lunaphyte> abrotman: yeah, indeed it is.  my argument has more to do with principle.
[02:34:31] <echelon> xpoint_dell: how come?
[02:34:36] <lunaphyte> well, it's part of why we spam, anyway.
[02:34:58] <echelon> can it because i'm trying to connect to their server from outside?
[02:35:02] <abrotman> lunaphyte: so you're complaining because they're doing the right thing?
[02:35:10] <xpoint_dell> echelog, as i see it there smtp auth is disabled but tls is working
[02:35:26] <lunaphyte> abrotman: my opinion is that they aren't necessarily doing the right thing.
[02:35:53] <abrotman> you'd rather that ISPs/mail systems allow anyone to send each other mail?
[02:36:54] <lunaphyte> to some extent, yes.
[02:37:11] <abrotman> crazy
[02:37:15] <lunaphyte> it's like killing babies to prevent rape.
[02:37:25] <abrotman> apparently you've got a lackey reading your mail
[02:37:35] <lunaphyte> how's that?
[02:37:59] <lunaphyte> oh, meaning i don't have to deal with spam, in other words?
[02:38:51] <lunaphyte> on the contrary, i deal with it intimately.  :)
[02:39:41] <abrotman> hey .. i don't want to know about your viagara ads!
[02:40:21] <lunaphyte> heh
[02:41:57] <lunaphyte> i think the simplest way i can think to put it is that, while i (sort of) understand the rationale behind molesting people's internet connections, it's of my opinion that that is simply avoiding the problem rather than addressing it.
[02:42:48] <abrotman> perhaps .. but it does eliminate a lot of traffic
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[02:44:28] <lunaphyte> sure, and burning down your house would certainly eliminate a lot of vacuuming... :p
[02:44:43] <lunaphyte> here's a different approach to looking at it.  a service provider charges one fee for "residential" service, and another (almost certainly higher) fee for "business service".  let's look at what distinguishes the two from each other in the most general sense.
[02:45:28] <echelon> xpoint_dell: it wasn't working because it only accepts messages from localhost
[02:45:46] <abrotman> lunaphyte: don't think i haven't thought about burning my stuff
[02:46:18] <xpoint_dell> echelog, its called secureity by default
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[02:47:26] <lunaphyte> static vs. dynamic address - ports blocked vs. ports not blocked - "dynamic" vs. "non-dynamic" ptr record (although that's stretching it)  all of the characteristics of the "residential" internet service require additional components/hardware/software/ for the isp - yet the residential service must be billed as the inexpensive service.  so guess where the cost goes?  to the business customers
[02:47:50] <lunaphyte> abrotman: well, yeah, that was a dramatic analogy.
[02:48:40] <abrotman> i'm confused why a residential person needs the ability to send mail to any server in the world
[02:48:48] <lunaphyte> anyway, i doubt anyone's very interested in my soliloquy, so i'll just leave it at that.
[02:49:15] <lunaphyte> it's not a need, it's a want - and it's a why shouldn't i be able to?
[02:49:20] <abrotman> if you're smart enough to be sending mail from home .. you're smart enough to work around the port 25 outgoing block
[02:49:41] <lunaphyte> and you're also smart enough to know that it's stupid that you would have to.
[02:49:48] <xpoint_dell> outgoing is not server but client
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[02:51:08] <lunaphyte> smart people are constantly expending their effort working around or compensating for either non-smart or stupid people, but that doesn't make it ok.
[02:51:28] <echelon> when you do HELO <host>
[02:51:31] <abrotman> so the stupid people should win ?
[02:51:32] <xpoint_dell> is there isps that block there own port 25 to there user so thay cant send mails ?, really cool :)
[02:51:34] <echelon> is it your IP or the server's?
[02:54:52] <xpoint_dell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything
[02:54:58] <lunaphyte> i guess you also have to consider different degrees of stupid :)
[02:56:39] <echelon> my isp blocks outbound port 25, except for their smtp server
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[03:11:19] <xpoint_dell> echelog, thats there policy, you need to use them to sendmail outgoing, but it does not say if your ip is dynamic or not, it does not even say if or not you have a dynamic hostname or not
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[03:53:21] <qrush_> so i just set up postfix for my domain
[03:53:36] <qrush_> and sending an email to an email in my domain results in a "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table"
[03:53:45] <qrush_> anyone know what i can do to resolve this?
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[04:06:41] <googlah> qrush_: have you listed your domain in mydestination?
[04:06:53] <qrush_> would that be in main.cf?
[04:07:01] <googlah> yes
[04:07:13] <googlah> if not, that is the error message, you'll get
[04:07:21] <qrush_> Yes, it's there.
[04:07:40] <lunaphyte> !showme
[04:07:41] <knoba> lunaphyte: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[04:08:16] <qrush_> mydestination = mydomain.com, mydomain, localhost.localdomain, localhost
[04:08:58] <googlah> sure the user exists? :)
[04:09:32] <qrush_> on my mail server? very yes.
[04:10:00] <googlah> hehe ok, what does mail.log tells you?
[04:10:30] <qrush_> I'm having one of my users test it...I'll need a few. sorry.
[04:11:05] <lunaphyte> you should be testing it, not one of your users.
[04:11:19] <qrush_> Yeah, but I think I may have fixed it ;)
[04:11:35] <qrush_> and i know. i'm just a bit busy.
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[04:14:23] <qrush_> Alrighty. that didn't work.
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[04:14:26] <impulze> hi there :)
[04:14:26] <qrush_> so where would mail.log be?
[04:14:32] <lunaphyte> !logs
[04:14:33] <knoba> lunaphyte: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[04:14:37] <impulze> am i able to use ${recipient} anywhere in my master.cf?
[04:16:10] <googlah> check /var/log/mail.log and post in in pastebin
[04:17:21] <lunaphyte> impulze: what is your real question?
[04:17:27] <qrush_> lunaphyte: http://gist.github.com/10138
[04:17:55] <impulze> lunaphyte: i just realized i did something wrong, i wanted to do spamc -u ${recipient} but i accidently did pipe -u ${receipient}
[04:17:56] <lunaphyte> !mustmung
[04:17:56] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "mustmung" is not a valid command.
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[04:18:14] <lunaphyte> hmmm
[04:18:43] <lunaphyte> qrush_: see my earlier factoid about showme.
[04:19:33] <qrush_> what a horribly formatted command.
[04:20:02] <lunaphyte> how's that?
[04:23:13] <qrush_> lunaphyte: http://gist.github.com/10145
[04:23:18] <qrush_> it needed sudo for a few things
[04:24:20] <lunaphyte> it assumes you're root.
[04:25:27] <qrush_> any clues? :/
[04:27:15] <lunaphyte> what does postconf local_recipient_maps say?
[04:28:27] <qrush_> local_recipient_maps = proxy:unix:passwd.byname $alias_maps
[04:29:03] <lunaphyte> pastebin /etc/aliases
[04:29:16] <lunaphyte> ane /etc/passwd
[04:29:20] <lunaphyte> *and
[04:29:27] <qrush_> what user are you looking for
[04:29:34] <qrush_> inside of those files?
[04:29:45] <qrush_> everything is running as root inside of /etc/aliases
[04:29:51] <lunaphyte> to=<marc at mydomain dot com>
[04:30:15] <qrush_> That's not configured inside of this server.
[04:30:21] <qrush_> i've got google apps hooked up
[04:30:35] <lunaphyte> wha?
[04:30:41] <qrush_> postfix is being used to send mail through my web site.
[04:30:53] <qrush_> I guess I should have said that earlier, sorry.
[04:33:42] <lunaphyte> you've now got me thoroughly confused.
[04:34:36] <lunaphyte> if that user isn't a user on your postfix server, then why are you trying to deliver mail to that address?
[04:35:24] <qrush_> because a coworker has a @mydomain.com address and wants to use it for the site
[04:35:29] <qrush_> users get sent an activation email
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[04:35:41] <qrush_> but it's not sending them within the domain
[04:39:17] <qrush_> is that a little more clear? :)
[04:39:53] <qrush_> http://www.postfix.org/LOCAL_RECIPIENT_README.html
[04:40:25] <qrush_> I suppose since it's never recieving mail I could tear that part out
[04:40:50] <qrush_> all of the mx records point to google apps, so it shouldnt be a big problem
[04:44:52] <qrush_> alrighty, fixed
[04:49:43] <qrush_> thanks lunaphyte :)
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[04:55:11] <googlah> I have 4 domains, can I make all mails that goes to @example.com, go to user=example.com?
[04:55:30] <googlah> and to not any other domain
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[04:59:54] <googlah> any help would be appriciated
[05:00:04] <webx> I think this is a simple fix, but I can't figure out how to exclude my hostname from being included in outbound mail
[05:00:35] <webx> ie, <bill at hostame dot example.com> instead of <bill at example dot com>
[05:00:40] <lunaphyte> googlah: what is user=example.com?
[05:01:24] <lunaphyte> !mydomain
[05:01:25] <knoba> lunaphyte: "mydomain" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet domain name of this mail system. The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
[05:01:28] <lunaphyte> !myorigin
[05:01:28] <knoba> lunaphyte: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[05:01:28] <webx> I've changed myorigin to $mydomain, and set it properly
[05:01:44] <webx> :P
[05:02:07] <webx> mydomain = example.com
[05:02:18] <webx> myorigin = $mydomain
[05:02:33] <googlah> lunaphyte: user=example.com, is a user on the system
[05:02:48] <lunaphyte> webx: how are you submitting mail for delivery?
[05:02:58] <webx> lunaphyte: via command line /usr/bin/mail
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[05:03:14] <BuenGenio> morning/evening/afternoon
[05:03:21] <googlah> lunaphyte: I want one user to "own" it's own domain
[05:04:00] <lunaphyte> googlah: are you trying to say that you'd like all messages to example.com to go to a single recipient?
[05:04:07] <lunaphyte> webx: show some logs.
[05:04:13] <googlah> lunaphyte: Yes
[05:04:20] <BuenGenio> i just setup postfix with the aliases, domains and virtual domains in a mysql database.
[05:04:46] <webx> I read something about append_at_myorigin and append_dot_mydomain possibly needing to be set to no
[05:04:50] <googlah> lunaphyte: possible in some way?
[05:04:53] <webx> but I'm not sure if that's accurate
[05:05:03] <BuenGenio> but when i try sending mail, i get fatal: proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem
[05:05:21] <BuenGenio> what could be missing here?
[05:05:40] <BuenGenio> postfix 2.5.1 / courier / amavisd / sasl
[05:06:38] <BuenGenio> mysql username, password, dbname and query in mysql-virtual_domains.cf seem OK
[05:07:49] <lunaphyte> googlah: sure.  but consider that it's a bad idea.
[05:08:03] <lunaphyte> BuenGenio: test your map with postmap.
[05:10:00] <googlah> lunaphyte: why is that? let's see.. www.hushmail.com provides 5 different domains, register one of them, it only listens to 1? that is what I want to do
[05:10:34] <googlah> only as an example.
[05:10:47] <BuenGenio> postmap -q eugene at steelhead dot com proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf returns nothing :(
[05:11:06] <BuenGenio> oh, apart from fatal: proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf(0,lock|fold_fix): table lookup problem in errors.log
[05:11:11] <lunaphyte> BuenGenio: make it verbose, and debug.  :)
[05:12:06] <lunaphyte> make sure you have an sql query that functions successfully in mysql first, then transition it to postfix.
[05:12:39] <BuenGenio> sorry
[05:12:40] <BuenGenio> that was it
[05:12:51] <BuenGenio> missed query = before the query
[05:12:54] <lunaphyte> googlah: your goal is not quite clear to me.  having multiple domains is fine.  having catchall addresses for any domain is a bad idea.
[05:13:00] * BuenGenio is on a 20 hour work spree
[05:13:15] <lunaphyte> take more uppers.
[05:14:04] * BuenGenio can't do a gram in under 24  (yet)
[05:14:26] <BuenGenio> though breakfast is coming up.. yum!
[05:14:35] <BuenGenio> rice and tea
[05:14:39] <BuenGenio> and a line
[05:14:56] <lunaphyte> coke is for pussies.
[05:15:00] <BuenGenio> with your editor of choice
[05:15:11] <BuenGenio> real men do yoga
[05:15:29] <BuenGenio> anyway, gotta get this done
[05:15:34] <BuenGenio> thanks lunaphyte
[05:15:40] <lunaphyte> real men do dmt
[05:15:43] <lunaphyte> sure thing.
[05:15:44] <googlah> lunaphyte: cool. I'll tell you the domains. slicky at slicky dot se and slicky at fisring dot net should be bound to "slicky", and info at 27mhz dot se should be bound to "info". not them together. what should I need to read on? :)
[05:15:51] <BuenGenio> lunaphyte, that's just hardcore
[05:16:10] <BuenGenio> far from an upper too, afaik
[05:16:39] <lunaphyte> indeed.
[05:16:41] <googlah> dmt makes things easier, yeah
[05:18:02] <lunaphyte> googlah: i guess that "slicky" and "info" are local users?
[05:18:15] <googlah> indeed.
[05:18:30] <googlah> info at fisring dot net does work by now.. which I don't want :/
[05:18:44] <lunaphyte> !virtual
[05:18:45] <knoba> lunaphyte: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[05:18:51] <lunaphyte> !basic
[05:18:51] <knoba> lunaphyte: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[05:18:57] <lunaphyte> !examples
[05:18:58] <knoba> lunaphyte: "examples" : http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[05:19:01] <lunaphyte> !local
[05:19:01] <knoba> lunaphyte: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.
[05:19:45] <googlah> lunaphyte: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html"basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[05:20:00] <googlah> thanks, will look at it
[05:20:29] <webx> is there something about linux's mail client (that anyone knows of) that would force the from address to include the hostname ?
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[05:20:51] <webx> seems like the MTA would switch that if I tell it to use $mydomain
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[05:21:31] <rob0> What is "Linux's mail client?" I thought there were numerous ones.
[05:21:53] <webx> well, the /bin/mail
[05:21:58] <webx> just the console one
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[05:22:23] <webx> mail -s "subject" who at youwant dot com < filename
[05:22:32] <webx> pretty typical usage for mailing script output and such
[05:22:47] <rob0> "Heirloom mailx" is very powerful and configurable. The old BSD mailx is not.
[05:23:39] <rob0> I would suggest "man mail", also maybe "man sendmail" to see what happens after mail leaves the MUA.
[05:23:40] <webx> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Aug 15 10:58 /bin/mailx -> mail*
[05:24:06] <webx> I'm using postfix as the MTA, but it's not operating correctly
[05:24:55] <lunaphyte> it can be challenging to convince sendmail to use your preferred "from" address.
[05:25:18] <Dominian> Just use Pear::Mail I think is what it is ;)
[05:25:31] <lunaphyte> webx: also, consider the difference between the envelope sender and the From: header, and ensure you're not barking up the wrong tree.
[05:25:59] <BuenGenio> lunaphyte, sorry, still getting the same error message
[05:26:03] <rob0> yeah, the question was based on a faulty diagnosis of the problem, I bet
[05:26:33] <BuenGenio> double checked the config files
[05:26:36] <webx> lunaphyte: it's the sender address, but whether or not that's the from header or the envelope sender.. I don't know
[05:26:40] <BuenGenio> passwords, queries all in place
[05:26:56] <lunaphyte> webx: well, learn and understand what they are, and make a confident determination.
[05:27:33] <webx> what I do know is that once it hits the MX, the FQDN of my host is not in public DNS, so they refuse it which is why I'm trying to figure out how to determine where hte problem lies
[05:27:37] <webx> s/hte/the/
[05:27:44] <rob0> !basic
[05:27:44] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
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[05:29:37] <anoncos> First I just want to say, I love you all, and already owe you all a beer for allowing me to join this channel.  Now for the question...
[05:29:52] <webx> nice entrance
[05:29:59] <anoncos> I thought so ;)
[05:30:00] <lunaphyte> beer is for pussies
[05:30:04] <lunaphyte> :)
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[05:30:21] <anoncos> I'm getting "currently not permitted to relay" from Gmail when I try to send to my shiny new postfix installation
[05:30:38] <rob0> !relay_denied
[05:30:39] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[05:30:51] <anoncos> I'm also getting "a headache" when I try to "continue to do this"
[05:30:58] <lunaphyte> !headache
[05:30:59] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: "headache" is not a valid command.
[05:31:02] <lunaphyte> hrm.
[05:31:04] <anoncos> lol
[05:31:39] <lunaphyte> is this only from gmail, or from anywhere?
[05:31:50] <anoncos> OK, so RCPT_DOMAIN... that should be "mydomain.com", which I have set in $mydomain.
[05:31:57] <anoncos> Anywhere, I'm assuming...
[05:32:20] <lunaphyte> !logs
[05:32:20] <knoba> lunaphyte: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[05:32:42] <lunaphyte> we care more about what your postfix install is saying, and less about what google is saying.
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[05:33:01] <anoncos> k
[05:35:39] <anoncos> The maillog doesn't actually show anything
[05:35:54] <anoncos> (FC8 /var/log/maillog )
[05:36:23] <lunaphyte> then either mail is not reaching that computer, or your logs are broken
[05:36:28] <lunaphyte> (or postfix isn't running)
[05:36:42] <anoncos> Postfix is definitely runni.... hold on, let me make sure
[05:37:15] <anoncos> Postfix is definitely running
[05:37:17] <webx> ah, what I was looking for was masquerade_domains
[05:37:25] <webx> makes it easy for me
[05:38:21] <anoncos> Where else would the "currently not permitted to relay" error come from if not my server?
[05:38:38] <rob0> !no_logs
[05:38:39] <knoba> rob0: "no_logs" : Nothing in your Postfix logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[05:38:52] <lunaphyte> how about you tell us the email address you're trying to send mail to?
[05:39:07] <rob0> domain is all
[05:39:15] <anoncos> kjshome.com
[05:39:43] <lunaphyte> is postfix running on 97.91.171.178?
[05:40:11] <rob0> kjsworld.com.           14400   IN      A       69.89.17.19
[05:40:20] <rob0> kjshome.com.            600     IN      MX      10 kjsworld.com.
[05:40:25] <lunaphyte> whoa.
[05:40:26] <anoncos> Yes, postfix is running at that address
[05:40:27] <Dominian> eh
[05:40:29] <anoncos> o_O
[05:40:31] <Dominian> wtf
[05:40:34] <anoncos> That's... not right???
[05:40:40] <lunaphyte> rob0: ?
[05:40:43] <webx> kjsworld.com has address 69.89.17.19
[05:40:54] <anoncos> o_O
[05:40:56] <rob0> $ dig kjshome.com. mx
[05:40:59] <anoncos> This is weird
[05:41:00] <Dominian> actually,  there's nothing wrong with that
[05:41:05] <lunaphyte> kjsworld.com.		14397	IN	A	69.89.17.19
[05:41:06] <Dominian> as long as those are your domains
[05:41:07] <lunaphyte> bah
[05:41:10] <webx> not sure where lunaphyte came up with that ip :)
[05:41:22] <lunaphyte> kjsworld.com.              14397           IN       A        69.89.17.19
[05:41:27] <lunaphyte> wtf?
[05:41:38] <anoncos> heh... I fixed that..
[05:41:40] <anoncos> now.
[05:41:48] <anoncos> Thanks for noticing that... lmao
[05:42:03] <webx> does it allow you to relay now?
[05:42:18] <anoncos> OH MY FSCKING GOD I LOVE YOU
[05:42:18] <rob0> he's not WANTING relay, he wants to accept it
[05:42:30] <webx> ah
[05:42:34] <lunaphyte> weird: http://rafb.net/p/TzKdHl78.html
[05:42:35] <anoncos> Wow...
[05:43:10] <lunaphyte> so if i type home and world, they're not the same thing?  :)
[05:43:19] <anoncos> When I set up my MX entry, I accidentally put my hosted webspace domain in there, instead of the new one.
[05:43:26] <anoncos> Nope.. lol
[05:44:30] <anoncos> I shall celebrate with a cold mug of chocolate rice milk and a swedish style vanilla snap.
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[05:46:14] <anoncos> Do any of you live in St. Louis?
[05:46:39] <lunaphyte> not i.
[05:47:00] <anoncos> No beer for you then.
[05:47:14] <anoncos> Though I am tempted to get rob0's Paypal and send him 5 bucks
[05:47:15] <lunaphyte> i'm not really a beer guy anyway :)
[05:47:25] <anoncos> I'm a scotch person, myself.
[05:49:11] <seekwill> You think his advice was only worth $5?
[05:49:31] <anoncos> He did an MX lookup.
[05:49:52] <anoncos> I just happen to have completely missed the fuck up, he brought it to my attention
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[05:51:20] <lunaphyte> but you're not paying for his actions, you're paying for his knowledge of which action would produce results.
[05:51:42] * anoncos baps lunaphyte
[05:52:06] <anoncos> I am paying $5 for his simple mind that found the simple problem :P
[05:52:09] <seekwill> Without that knowledge and prior experience,  he would not have came up with that "simple" MX lookup.
[05:52:27] <seekwill> It's always simple when you have years of experience
[05:52:29] <anoncos> OK, you're all ganging up on me now
[05:52:46] <lunaphyte> just don't drop the soap.
[05:52:59] <anoncos> :O
[05:54:18] <seekwill> anoncos: Just making you aware that it's the experience that makes the solution simple.
[05:54:35] <anoncos> I agree completely.
[05:54:36] <seekwill> anoncos: He didn't have you unnecessary debugging steps
[05:54:37] <seekwill> :)
[05:54:42] <seekwill> SO PAY HIM $50!!!!!!
[05:54:52] <seekwill> And sacrifice a virgin sheep
[05:55:25] <anoncos> I'm beginning to think:  cat /etc/aliases      would result in seekwill:  rob0
[05:55:28] <lunaphyte> no virgin sheep around these parts.
[05:55:36] <anoncos> lunaphyte: Are ya welsh?  lol
[05:55:52] <rob0> I don't have paypal, and don't generally ask for payment unless someone /msg's me.
[05:56:02] <seekwill> anoncos: That is an insult to rob0 :)
[05:56:29] <seekwill> /msg rob0 How much $/hour for cyb0r?????///////
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[06:01:07] <rob0> :)
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[07:25:28] <danou> yes sure, my link is http://70.82.227.62:81/
[07:25:31] <danou> oops sorry
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[08:46:25] <CrummyGu1my> Morning, how do I pass SASL username etc across a contentfilter to spawn in the advanced filter setup in http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html?
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[08:58:11] <BuenGenio> lunaphyte, managed to sort things out here
[08:58:57] <BuenGenio> do you know if there's a tool that lets you create and manage users/virtual domains when these are stored in a database?
[08:58:58] <sysmonk> congrats
[08:58:59] <sysmonk> ;)
[08:59:08] <BuenGenio> and i'm not talking about phpmyadmin :)
[08:59:09] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: postfixadmin
[08:59:26] <BuenGenio> really?
[08:59:28] <sysmonk> but if you already have some kind of structure - then you won't be able to use it
[08:59:36] <sysmonk> it will create it's own structure
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[09:40:23] <CrummyGummy> anyone?
[09:44:51] <sep> CrummyGummy, umm ? you usualy check sasl usernames BEFORE accepting things into your queue, why do you need it to pass the content filter? you have it in your queue allready ?
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[09:50:13] <CrummyGummy> sep The script I'm using needs the saslusername.
[09:50:49] <CrummyGummy> its for db access.
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[10:00:26] <CrummyGummy> It works well with my simple filter but I don't see a way to send it to the spawn.
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[10:06:49] <felet> anyone here who has setup postfix with mailman ? have some problem with local /etc/aliases, its not beeing read, and the mailman system has taken over the local delivery like "root" and "postmaster" aint going the right way, its being dropped by mailman
[10:07:04] <felet> postfix-to-mailman-2.1.py <-- im using this
[10:07:10] <felet> and mailman is working correct
[10:07:28] <sep> suddenly experienced a strange issue. all postfix processes give this error    fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter default_privs: unknown user name value: nobody ## but there is no such line in main.cf and postconf shows the default "nobody" but the user nobody is on the system.. so what else can be wrong ?
[10:07:30] <felet> log is telling me "delivered by mailman system"
[10:08:45] <sysmonk> sep: is there ## there?
[10:09:11] <sysmonk> i mean in the error
[10:09:17] <sep> no that was just my irc way of separate the error message from my next comment
[10:09:17] <sysmonk> or was it you who put it while pasting here?
[10:09:21] <sysmonk> ah
[10:09:35] <sysmonk> then pastebin the errors + postconf -n
[10:12:11] <sep> was transient since it is gone now.. but i'v never seen it before. perhaps related to nss_mysql and unavailable database...  but mysql is after the rest in nsswitch conf.
[10:12:18] <sep> might have been a nscd glitch
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[10:12:37] * sep dont like
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[10:22:07] <sep> CrummyGummy, in that case i do not know, sorry.
[10:23:55] <felet> mailman.cypoint.net mailman:
[10:24:01] <felet> is that correct in transport ?
[10:24:06] <felet> i dont need anymore then that ?
[10:24:18] <felet> i need nothing there for local delivery
[10:24:19] <felet> ?
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[10:31:45] <CrummyGummy> sep k, thanks
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[10:44:37] <MrNaz> is there a way for me to test the "spamminess" of outgoing mail from my mailserver?
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[10:57:02] <sep> MrNaz, define spamminess ? do you fear your users are sending spam ?
[10:59:57] <sep> you can use allways_bcc to drop copies of email to a box of your choosing to read if you must, but consider the ethics of doing so.  personaly i subscribe to services like spamcop and similar that send me reposts of my ip subnets send spam (including my mailserver) and take action when needed.  besides i have too much mail and can not sit and police every mail my users send out anyway
[11:01:01] <sysmonk> pff
[11:01:11] <sysmonk> i have another technic for that
[11:01:25] <sysmonk> i don't have to know if i send spam or not
[11:01:32] <sysmonk> i just send it, so i know that i send ;)
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[11:02:43] <anoncos> Hi guize!
[11:03:07] <anoncos> Anyone here knowledgable in saslauth?
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[11:04:30] <sysmonk> guize?
[11:04:41] <sysmonk> i'd answer yes, but i already see his english skills
[11:05:01] <sysmonk> no way i want to talk to the "plz me help i fix postfix need"
[11:05:14] <anoncos> Guys (colloquialism):  A reference to a plural group of males
[11:05:21] <anoncos> Better?
[11:05:23] <anoncos> ;)
[11:05:27] <sep> anoncos, sexism ?
[11:05:29] <sysmonk> better :)
[11:05:42] <sysmonk> althought there MIGHT be girls here
[11:05:52] <sep> it's not unthinkable.
[11:05:53] <sysmonk> hey, i have long hair and big tits, so i might be a girl
[11:05:57] <anoncos> lmao
[11:06:06] <anoncos> On that note... on to my question ;)
[11:06:32] <anoncos> I'm trying to get saslauth working with postfix to use the same password file as dovecot
[11:06:36] * anoncos takes a deep breath
[11:06:41] <sep> i would reather contemplate the question of how many girls run postfix servers some more
[11:06:55] <sep> seams more interesting !
[11:06:59] <sysmonk> hehe
[11:07:04] <sysmonk> sorry, no dovecot stuff here
[11:07:07] * sysmonk is a cyrus user
[11:07:21] <anoncos> Bugger
[11:07:30] <sep> anoncos, uses sql sorry
[11:07:53] <anoncos> Hmm... how would I at least go about getting saslauth to use it's own password file?
[11:08:04] <MrNaz> sep no, but i want to see things like HELO checks and SPF checks to make sure i've configured everything correctly
[11:08:44] <anoncos> I've created the saslauth user with:  saslpasswd2 -c me at domain dot com
[11:08:47] <MrNaz> sep i dont want/need to check content, that's their business... its the mail server config that i'm concerned with
[11:09:03] <sysmonk> anoncos: !sasl
[11:09:03] <sysmonk> err
[11:09:04] <sep> MrNaz, i see those in my mail.log
[11:09:04] <sysmonk> !sasl
[11:09:05] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[11:09:06] <sysmonk> anoncos: ^^
[11:09:32] <MrNaz> sep how? how do the results of a spam check on a mail that goes to another server end up in your logs ?
[11:09:42] <sysmonk> MrNaz: there was some autoresponder which would tell you all that stuff
[11:09:45] <sysmonk> although i forgot the addie
[11:09:53] <MrNaz> sysmonk yes that's what i'm after
[11:10:02] <sysmonk> try googling around? :)
[11:10:16] <sysmonk> spf check / spf auto responder or whatever
[11:10:30] <sep> ah onlymy incoming
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[11:12:32] <MrNaz> found it
[11:12:48] <MrNaz> sysmonk check-auth at verifier dot port25.com
[11:12:53] <MrNaz> hmm
[11:13:06] <sysmonk> yeah, that one
[11:13:14] * sysmonk should take a note on that
[11:13:26] <sysmonk> !check
[11:13:26] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "check" is not a valid command.
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[11:14:19] <sysmonk> !learn check as You can check your spf / dkim / domain-keys settings by sending an email to check-auth at verifier dot port25.com. It will auto-respond with some debug informations about your settings and spam-score.
[11:14:24] <sysmonk> !check
[11:14:25] <knoba> sysmonk: "check" : You can check your spf / dkim / domain-keys settings by sending an email to check-auth at verifier dot port25.com. It will auto-respond with some debug informations about your settings and spam-score.
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[11:17:35] <MrNaz> my emails are failing SpamAssassin's check    RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO   and i dont know why. postconf reports myhostname to be the server's proper fqdn, and is the same as smtp_helo_name . I've just had the ptr record on my ip made to resolve to that same host name as well. why on earth is my helo still being delivered numerically ?
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[11:35:33] <sysmonk> MrNaz: send me an email, i'll check it
[11:36:04] <anoncos> Wow... I've got it working.
[11:36:09] <anoncos> I'm actually kind of shocked
[11:36:11] <sysmonk> congrats
[11:36:15] <anoncos> Thanks :)
[11:36:23] <sysmonk> now you owe us 99.99
[11:36:32] <anoncos> Now to figure out this whole pesky "loops back to myself" problem =/
[11:36:49] <sysmonk> mx points back to you
[11:36:51] <anoncos> Check's in the email :P
[11:37:01] <sysmonk> and you relay the mail, and not accept it
[11:37:02] <googlah> anyone tried set up amavisd-new on postfix? I can't get it to work on port 10025.. :/
[11:37:15] <anoncos> Hmm
[11:37:20] <sysmonk> googlah: amavis listens on 10024 by default, you have to set up postfix on 10025
[11:37:27] <sysmonk> and there are examples in amavis documentation afair
[11:37:29] <anoncos> why would the MX for gmail point to me?
[11:37:43] <sysmonk> anoncos: dunno, pastebin the logs + postconf -n
[11:38:23] <googlah> sysmonk: yes, 10024 is accepting connections. but postfix gives awful error msgs, even if I tried follow howto's twice.
[11:38:34] <sysmonk> !howto
[11:38:34] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "howto" is not a valid command.
[11:38:36] <sysmonk> !howtos
[11:38:37] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "howtos" is not a valid command.
[11:38:39] <sysmonk> oh damn
[11:38:39] <googlah> should telnet localhost 10025 give output?
[11:38:41] <sysmonk> how-to's suck
[11:38:45] <sysmonk> yes
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[11:45:36] <anoncos> http://pastebin.com/m3e346465
[11:46:18] <anoncos> Well, I did a crappy job of anonymizing it.
[11:46:43] <anoncos> So... yeah, wherever you see myserver.com it was actually kjshome.com
[11:49:19] <anoncos> Essentially (if it's not already obvious)... I want it to only relay emails to my server if the user isn't authenticated, but if the user is authenticated, then allow the relay anywhere... e.g. to gmail.com
[11:52:11] <sysmonk> #
[11:52:11] <sysmonk> relayhost = $mydomain:25
[11:52:17] <sysmonk> fuck that :)
[11:52:22] <sysmonk> that is, comment that out
[11:53:53] <sysmonk> and don't forget to reload postfix after that
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[11:54:50] <anoncos> Oooh, getting closer... lol
[11:54:55] <anoncos> Thanks for that...
[11:55:02] <sysmonk> + 99.99
[11:55:40] <sysmonk> hehe, last time i grep'ed my logs for "thanks sysmonk" there were 50-60 entries
[11:56:06] <anoncos> lol
[11:56:09] <sysmonk> if everybody would pay me atleast 100$ for help that'd be 5000-6000$
[11:56:18] <sysmonk> eh... my half years sallary ;(
[11:56:34] <anoncos> Now, if you can knock this one out of the park, I'll be impressed, and I shall flood you with "thanks @#$#@ sysmonk"
[11:56:45] <anoncos> >>> host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.205.114] said: 550-5.7.1 [97.91.171.178] The IP you're using to send mail is not authorized 550-5.7.1 to send email directly to our servers.
[11:56:51] <sysmonk> hey, "thanks *!#!*@# sysmonk" won't mach my grep
[11:57:03] <sysmonk> anoncos: pastebin the log
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[11:57:12] <anoncos> Exactly... you don't get the payoff until it's done... lmao :P
[11:57:40] <sysmonk> first idea is that they are blocking you because of home ip
[11:57:44] <sysmonk> generic rdns
[11:57:55] <sysmonk> you'd have to use your ISP relayhost
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[11:58:21] <sysmonk> morn cpm
[11:58:29] <anoncos> http://pastebin.com/m1d3e5450
[11:58:37] <cpm> morn'n sysmonk
[11:59:25] <sysmonk> oh look, it even has the address you can read about the problem
[11:59:26] <anoncos> How do I find my ISP's relayhost?  And I'm assuming I'd have to set up so my postfix can authenticate to their postfix?
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[11:59:48] <cpm> contact your isp and ask?
[12:00:25] <anoncos> But but but, the link says if the IP does not match the domain... my IP should match my domain...
[12:00:28] <anoncos> Hmm
[12:01:07] <sysmonk> but but but's
[12:01:09] <sysmonk> butt
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[12:02:49] <shasta> "not authorized to send email directly" *usually* means that you're in a end-user (possibly dialup) netblock
[12:03:34] <shasta> something like spamhaus' PBL
[12:05:16] <anoncos> Interesting...
[12:05:27] <anoncos> I just checked the email sources that I can send to myself...
[12:05:56] <anoncos> Received: from [10.0.1.3] (97-91-171-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [97.91.171.178])
[12:06:00] <anoncos> Hmmm
[12:06:32] <anoncos> Wonder if the weird AirPort assigned IP has anything to do with it.
[12:06:58] <shasta> you're running a mailserver on a dynamic IP?
[12:07:03] <shasta> not the brightest idea
[12:07:35] <anoncos> I've got the whole thing sorted with dynamic DNS and a backup MX etc.
[12:07:56] <shasta> no wonder gmail won't accept your emails :)
[12:08:22] <shasta> noone sane accepts (unauthenticated) emails from IPs that are known to be dynamic
[12:08:32] <anoncos> Gmail is only complaining that my IP doesn't match my domain...
[12:08:43] <anoncos> They say nothing about my IP being dynamic
[12:09:03] <shasta> [11:56:59] < anoncos> >>> host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[72.14.205.114] said: 550-5.7.1 [97.91.171.178] The IP you're using to send mail is not authorized 550-5.7.1 to send email directly to our servers.
[12:09:18] <shasta> this *is* about your IP being dynamic
[12:09:21] <anoncos> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=10336
[12:09:31] <anoncos> That was the link provided in the error message
[12:09:49] <shasta> oh
[12:09:54] <shasta> how inconsistent ;)
[12:10:41] <shasta> nevertheless, running MTA on a dynamic IP is at least unreliable
[12:10:57] <shasta> it's fine for a "private use"
[12:11:24] <anoncos> That's pretty much all I want it for... to play with
[12:12:01] <shasta> then create a gmail account and make postfix smtp client relay via gmail servers using that account
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[12:12:36] <anoncos> That's not a real-world fix tho ;)
[12:13:09] <shasta> face the truth, your mailserver isn't real-world thing either ;)
[12:13:22] <anoncos> :(
[12:13:25] * anoncos cries
[12:13:35] * shasta shrugs
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[12:31:11] <anoncos> Hmm.. so in trying to set this up... I seem to have everything working, except gmail's SMTP server wants TLS to be started before authing
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[12:33:26] <shasta> !smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:33:27] <knoba> shasta: Error: "smtp_tls_policy_maps" is not a valid command.
[12:33:32] <shasta> bah
[12:33:53] <shasta> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:34:49] <sysmonk> Signum: ya here?
[12:36:20] <shasta> !learn smtp_tls_policy_maps as optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[12:36:26] <shasta> !smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:36:27] <knoba> shasta: "smtp_tls_policy_maps" : optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[12:36:52] <shasta> !forget smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:37:08] <shasta> !learn smtp_tls_policy_maps as optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later. More: ...
[12:37:14] <shasta> ... http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:37:14] <shasta> crap ;)
[12:37:21] <sysmonk> shasta: wood be great to have !postconf smtp_tls_policy_maps which would give www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:37:28] <shasta> !forget smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:37:31] <shasta> !learn smtp_tls_policy_maps as optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[12:37:37] <shasta> indeed, sysmonk
[12:39:00] <shasta> [12:38:34] --- Irssi: Alias postconf added
[12:39:01] <shasta> (:
[12:39:05] <shasta> let's see
[12:39:16] <sysmonk> hah
[12:39:28] <shasta> , see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#sysmonk
[12:39:36] <sysmonk> hah
[12:39:37] <shasta> oops
[12:39:47] <shasta> sysmonk, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#alias_maps
[12:39:50] <sysmonk> shasta: show me teh /alias
[12:39:59] <shasta> postconf   /say $1, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#$0
[12:40:04] <sysmonk> /alias send $2, see $1 ?
[12:40:12] <sysmonk> yup, same
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[12:49:19] <Signum> sysmonk: sir, yes, sir
[12:50:43] <sysmonk> Signum: ^^
[12:50:52] <sysmonk> 09-11 13:37:35 < sysmonk> shasta: wood be great to have !postconf smtp_tls_policy_maps which would give  www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:50:57] <sysmonk> s/shasta/Signum// ;)
[12:51:15] <Signum> !smtp_tls_policy_maps
[12:51:16] <knoba> Signum: "smtp_tls_policy_maps" : optional lookup tables with the Postfix SMTP client TLS security policy by next-hop destination. The lookup result is a security level (none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure), followed by an optional list of whitespace and/or comma separated name=value attributes that override related main.cf settings. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[12:51:21] <sysmonk> Signum: we already aded it
[12:51:23] <sysmonk> added*
[12:51:30] <sysmonk> but there are stuff which isn't added
[12:51:40] <sysmonk> and it would be future-compatible :P
[12:51:40] <Signum> Then use "!forget ..." and learn again.
[12:51:51] * cpm forgets Signum
[12:51:53] <Signum> You can't use factoids concisting of > 1 words though.
[12:51:56] <cpm> who is Signum?
[12:51:58] <sysmonk> Signum: no, you don't get it, !postconf blah would give out www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#blah
[12:52:05] * Signum knobas cpm
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[12:52:17] <Signum> sysmonk: Yes. So?
[12:52:22] <cpm> oww! my knoba hurts!
[12:52:28] <sysmonk> Signum: 'automatically'
[12:52:28] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:52:40] <sysmonk> Signum: it's a feature request :P
[12:52:54] <Signum> sysmonk: Oh, you mean you'd like a "postconf" command added to knoba?
[12:53:01] <sysmonk> yeah, something like that
[12:53:01] <shasta> correct
[12:53:32] <Signum> sysmonk: And that should point to just the URL containing the documentation? So like a second factoid database or something?
[12:54:02] <sysmonk> Signum: it would just give the URL with www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#${variable}
[12:54:37] <Thorn> hello
[12:54:42] <sysmonk> Signum: i.e. irssi alternative for that would be /alias postconf /say $1, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#$0
[12:54:42] <Thorn> I'm trying to set up delivery to cyrus via lmtp, but I get "/var/lib/imap/socket/lmtp: No such file or directory". the socket does exist
[12:55:01] <shasta> !chroot
[12:55:02] <knoba> shasta: "chroot" : The fifth column in master.cf, if not n , means that the Postfix process described on that line runs in a chroot, see !debug , !queue_directory and files in the examples/chroot-setup subdirectory of the Postfix source archive which show examples of a Postfix chroot environment on a variety of systems
[12:55:03] <shasta> Thorn, ^^^
[12:55:24] <sysmonk> Signum: ofcourse, if there isn't such functionality in it and you don't want there to be we could just use the alias'es ;)
[12:55:31] <Thorn> I did set chroot to 'n'  for lmtp, but it does not help
[12:56:14] <sysmonk> Signum: it could be .postconf or !postconf or whatever not to conflict with !factoid
[12:56:22] <Thorn> should I mov the socket to where postfix can see it?
[12:56:29] <sysmonk> woops, not !postconf :P
[12:56:33] <Thorn> s/mov/move/
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[12:59:14] <Signum> !postconf dingdong
[12:59:15] <knoba> Signum: Error: "See" is not a valid command.
[12:59:18] <Signum> grmbl
[12:59:55] <shasta> (-8
[12:59:56] <cpm> !Signum
[12:59:57] <knoba> cpm: "Signum" : author of the workaround.org ispmail tutorials, daddy of the 'knoba' bot - formerly known as 'ChrisH'
[13:00:06] <cpm> sheesh, that's terse.
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[13:02:13] <Thorn> looks like my distro has a transport named 'cyrus' which is not chrooted, it does do the job
[13:08:06] <sysmonk> isn't it a pipe to cyr_deliver?
[13:08:17] <Signum> !postconf dingdong
[13:08:28] <Signum> sysmonk: not perfect... but close :)
[13:08:55] <shasta> add http://, so terminals with clickable-url support will have their job easier
[13:09:27] <Signum> done
[13:09:50] <shasta> !postconf alias_maps
[13:10:03] <shasta> yummy
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[13:11:54] <sysmonk> !postconf my_ass
[13:12:14] <sysmonk> !postconf
[13:12:15] <knoba> sysmonk: (postconf <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo ----> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#$1".
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[13:12:54] <MrNaz> sysmonk you there? mind if i send you that email now so you can check the HELO ?
[13:13:03] <sysmonk> k
[13:13:12] <sysmonk> MrNaz: pm'ed it
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[14:34:56] <g0rd0n> hello
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[14:35:09] <g0rd0n> i have a phylosophycal question
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[14:36:09] <lunaphyte_> philosophical?
[14:36:16] <g0rd0n> a client of mine was not getting emails from someone, so i checked the logs, found out their server had an invalid helo, mailed them to inform them they should change that to their MX name, now they wrote me back telling me i should add them to a whitelist. what should i do.
[14:36:47] <felet> :)
[14:37:09] <g0rd0n> btw, i'm really so pissed off
[14:37:59] <lunaphyte_> reply and tell them not only are you not going to arbitrarily whitelist mtas that are obstinate and self-entitled, but that you'll also be submitting their info the the various rbls that track this sort of behavior.
[14:38:41] <lunaphyte_> what about their helo is invalid?
[14:40:29] <g0rd0n> completely invented domain name
[14:40:30] <g0rd0n> not existing
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[14:41:04] <g0rd0n> yeah i will submit info to rfc-ignorant & co
[14:41:20] <g0rd0n> is there any other rbl than rfc-ignorant for these cases? :) i just know that one
[14:41:41] <lennard> g0rd0n: it all depends on wether you can convince your client to stay with you even though you're not going to 'fix' the problem of someone not being able to email them :P
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[14:42:26] <g0rd0n> lennard: i think i will add them to a whitelist ( which i have to create still...) AND submit them
[14:43:34] <lunaphyte_> g0rd0n: if you happen to be feeling particularly benevolent, you might consider actually trying to help them understand.
[14:44:34] <g0rd0n> lunaphyte_: i already wrote an exahustive email explaining the situation
[14:45:04] <g0rd0n> but they got a microsoft esmtp, so i'm not going to do research to tell them where they have to change that setting...
[14:45:19] <g0rd0n> they just need to be punished ;)
[14:45:28] <Roobarb> g0rd0n: quote section 4.1.1.1 of RFC 2821 at them
[14:45:40] <g0rd0n> Roobarb: where can i get that from
[14:45:56] <Roobarb> http://www.rfc.net/rfc2821.html#s4.1.1.1
[14:46:30] <lunaphyte_> if the person you're communicating with is a peon, maybe you can instead talk to their boss, etc, and make them look like an incompetent ass that is causing problems for their company.
[14:46:38] <g0rd0n> Roobarb: thanks
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[14:48:10] <g0rd0n> ok now... i'm unsure how to setup the helo white list... i believe i must use check_helo_access but how would a hash file look like? prolly broken.helo.server OK\n and then... how to tell that all others should be checked?
[14:49:14] <lunaphyte_> put it before your restriction that is catching it.
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[14:49:40] <nip> hey guys
[14:49:50] <nip> having a bit of trouble with a postfix/dovecot setup
[14:50:05] <g0rd0n> lunaphyte_: oh ok, so in smtpd_helo_restrictions i will put that hash file, and afterwards reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname, etc...
[14:50:09] <Roobarb> nip: ok, ask away
[14:50:22] <nip> I'm using dovecot lda, using passwd_file in dovecot for user maps
[14:50:42] <nip> I've added a new user to the passwd-file
[14:51:10] <nip> but I'm getting errors when trying to send mail to that user
[14:51:35] <impulze> isn't dovecot only a pop3 imap thing?
[14:52:04] <nip> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table
[14:52:18] <f3ew> impulze also a SASL library Postfix can use
[14:52:41] <nip> but for other addresses, it works fine :\
[14:53:28] <g0rd0n> is tehre any difference between "OK" and "permit" in access files?
[14:53:43] <lunaphyte_> !access
[14:53:44] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[14:56:12] <nip> Roobarb: how would I go about updating the local recipient table?
[14:56:29] <g0rd0n> thanks ;)
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[14:56:48] <nip> g0rd0n: were you asking me that? what 'access files'?
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[14:57:07] <g0rd0n> nip: nono ;)
[14:57:11] <nip> :)
[14:58:01] <Roobarb> nip: I'm guessing you actualy want to fiddle with local_recipient_maps to get postfix to look at dovecot as well as /etc/passwd and aliases
[14:58:49] <nip> hmm, it's working with other users win the passwd file
[14:58:55] <nip> just not the one I added recently :\
[14:59:14] <shasta> nip, what's the username?
[14:59:39] <sysmonk> nipple ?
[14:59:55] * sysmonk runs from the flying tomatoes
[15:00:04] <nip> hehe
[15:00:14] <nip> 'rich'
[15:00:21] <Roobarb> nip: I don't suppose this'll help:  http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/SimpleVirtualInstall
[15:00:27] <shasta> nip, run this from your shell: id rich
[15:00:33] <shasta> what does it return?
[15:01:15] <nip> Roobarb, was reading that, I'm doing it differently
[15:01:27] <nip> shasta: no such user (but I'm not using system users)
[15:01:37] <nip> http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2008-01/31-setup_postfix_and_dovecot_on_debian_etch
[15:01:45] <nip> I used that to get me going
[15:02:12] <nip> shasta: though, all the other accounts are (coincidentally) system accounts
[15:02:18] <shasta> see? :>
[15:02:29] <shasta> your postfix *is* using system accounts
[15:02:46] * Roobarb bets $1 postfix/dovecot isn't looking at the dovecot userlist
[15:03:02] <shasta> !local_recipient_maps
[15:03:03] <knoba> shasta: "local_recipient_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with all names or addresses of local recipients. A recipient address is local when its domain matches $mydestination, $inet_interfaces or $proxy_interfaces.
[15:03:14] <nip> even though I log into dovecot with a password that's only in the docecot passwd file?
[15:03:59] <shasta> don't you understand that dovecot and postfix are two completely different software? :)
[15:04:51] <shasta> there's a nice explanation in dovecot docs for all those confused ones: http://wiki.dovecot.org/MailServerOverview
[15:04:56] <nip> yeah, but I thought that as dovecot was the LDA, postfix would be sing it to look up users?
[15:05:21] <nip> s/sing/using
[15:05:28] <shasta> postfix doesn't "ask" LDA if the account is "valid" (ie. existant)
[15:05:44] <g0rd0n> hmmm i'm looking at rfc-ignorant.org but seem to find no place to submit hosts with invalid HELOs... is there any RBL you know of where i can do that?
[15:07:06] <nip> shasta: so I need a system account for each user? even though the Maildir is stored in /home/vmail/ under the vmail user?
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[15:08:34] <shasta> sheesh
[15:08:44] <shasta> no, you don't.
[15:09:02] <shasta> http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[15:13:43] <nip> aight, fixed it
[15:13:57] <nip> thanks for the help shasta, Roobarb !
[15:13:59] <nip> :)
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[15:31:30] <ikaro> :>
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[15:36:39] <magyar> anyone using maildrop?
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[17:49:08] <adnc> hello, when i send mail to a newly created user, the mail arrives into a Maildir in /var/postfix but i would like to have mbox filetype created instead of Maildir, is this possible?
[17:50:58] <hparker> why?
[17:51:09] <adnc> because i use mbox
[17:51:10] <hparker> maildir is worlds better than mbox
[17:51:25] <hparker> Remove the / from Mailbox in main.cf
[17:51:56] <hparker> I think it's Mailbox :P
[17:52:18] <adnc> all users have mbox there, but i do not have Mailbox in my main.cf
[17:52:34] <hparker> let me look
[17:52:59] <adnc> hparker: thank you
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[17:53:46] <hparker> home_mailbox
[17:53:57] <adnc> ohh i do not have this
[17:54:01] <hparker> #home_mailbox = Mailbox
[17:54:22] <adnc> where Mailbox is the directory name?
[17:54:24] <hparker> Change Mailbox to whatever, see the docs for more info
[17:54:41] <hparker> that's mail_spool_directory
[17:55:34] <hparker> check out those two directives in the docs to set it up for your needs
[17:57:00] <adnc> ohh i see i had #home_mailbox = mail/mbox
[17:57:04] <adnc> which didnt really work
[17:57:15] <hparker> # comments out the line
[17:57:25] <adnc> no, i commented it because it didnt work
[17:57:40] <hparker> oh
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[18:01:49] <adnc> the default ofo mail_spool_directory is it /var/spool/mail?
[18:03:06] <hparker> I think so
[18:03:21] <adnc> is there a way to print out running postfix configuration?
[18:04:11] <lunaphyte_> man postconf
[18:04:30] <adnc> lunaphyte_: there i'm looking at the moment, but i couldnt find that setting yet
[18:05:16] <adnc> ahh -d
[18:05:28] <lunaphyte_> it's there.  be careful, so it doesn't bite you.
[18:05:46] <adnc> ahh home_mailbox isnt set, what does it mean?
[18:06:14] <adnc> what happens if this variable is not set?
[18:07:00] <lunaphyte_> the default will be used.
[18:07:10] <adnc> which is what?
[18:07:19] <lunaphyte_> man postconf
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[18:07:42] <adnc> lunaphyte_: there is nothing related to this in the man
[18:07:55] <lunaphyte_> ok, if you say so.
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[18:08:27] <adnc> great help
[18:08:32] <adnc> 100 points
[18:10:10] <lunaphyte_> what would you like me to say?  should i repeat myself and say "yes there is?"
[18:10:39] <adnc> instead of talking around it, why not just giving that two characters of parameter?
[18:10:55] <adnc> as you see, it was not findable by me
[18:11:12] <adnc> this is not help. just making it wors
[18:11:16] <lunaphyte_> it's a personal choice.  i choose to not hand out fish to people.
[18:11:24] <adnc> right
[18:11:44] <lunaphyte_> if you must know, it's my belief that you *hardly* tried to find it in the man page.
[18:11:53] * cpm steals a fish from lunaphyte_
[18:12:01] <lunaphyte_> and that you want to be spoon fed.
[18:12:19] <adnc> and this is also just your personal thought
[18:12:51] <lunaphyte_> isn't that *literally* what i just said?
[18:13:39] <adnc> correct, you are very important and of course your thoughts, but enough is enough. i'm not here to discuss your characters, which i think you did not *hardly* work on
[18:14:10] <adnc> just my personal thought
[18:14:19] <lunaphyte_> adnc: if you even made the slightest effort to use the find feature to find sections relating to default parameters in the postconf man page, you would have your answer.
[18:14:38] <adnc> show my how ofter grep finds default in that man page?
[18:14:49] <adnc> show my how ofter home_mailbox is found in that man page?
[18:15:34] <lunaphyte_> prove it.
[18:15:40] <adnc> i think people like you just making the attractivity of postfix bad
[18:15:42] <adnc> nothing more
[18:16:07] <adnc> you better make the *choice* of leaving this to others
[18:16:09] <lunaphyte_> i don't mind if people who want to be spoon fed don't use postfix.
[18:16:24] <adnc> i'm sure you think so
[18:17:36] <lunaphyte_> if i were you, i'd spend less time talking to me, and more time finding one of the four instances of the world "default" in the postconf man page.
[18:18:29] <adnc> lunaphyte_: what is your intention to be here?
[18:19:00] <lunaphyte_> focus on solving your problems, not my intentions.
[18:19:25] <adnc> you better search for an irc channel on how to behave to humans
[18:19:45] <hparker> :-o
[18:19:57] * cpm passes hparker the popcorn
[18:19:58] * hparker heads off to go fishing
[18:19:59] <lunaphyte_> nice
[18:20:13] <hparker> ty cpm
[18:20:19] <hparker> bbl
[18:20:26] <cpm> n'joy
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[18:22:08] <lunaphyte_> i hope hparker brings back some nice fish.  i only had one, and didn't want to give it away, but someone stole it.
[18:22:48] <lunaphyte_> adnc: did you find the section on default values yet in the man page, or are you still mad at me?
[18:23:43] <adnc> lunaphyte_: the only parameter which refers to default values is the -n and the -n option, unfortunatly none of them show any values for home_mailbox
[18:24:03] <lunaphyte_> maybe we can take a poll, to be fair.
[18:24:38] <adnc> miswritten
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[18:26:14] <lunaphyte_> you're not satisfied with what -d returns?
[18:26:35] <adnc> of course not, why else should i ask?
[18:26:38] <adnc> the output is forward_path = $home/.forward${recipient_delimiter}${extension}, $home/.forward
[18:26:41] <adnc> home_mailbox =
[18:26:43] <adnc> require_home_directory = no
[18:26:53] <adnc> and my question was, what if this is not set, and what is the default
[18:27:17] <lunaphyte_> i guess i don't understand.
[18:27:35] <adnc> what happens if home_mailbox is empty?
[18:27:56] <adnc> let me look into a dictionary if this sentence is missunderstandable due to my bad english
[18:28:46] <adnc> ahhh, ok. the more correct question is this: what happens, how does postfix behave if home_mailbox is not set to any value?
[18:28:47] <lunaphyte_> your sentence is fine.
[18:29:12] <lunaphyte_> if not defined (or if left at the default value of null) then postfix will not use it.
[18:29:31] <adnc> which would mean that no mail arrives, doesnt it?
[18:29:36] <lunaphyte_> no
[18:29:40] <adnc> mhhh
[18:29:46] <adnc> i didn't understand
[18:29:51] <lunaphyte_> !local
[18:29:52] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic.
[18:30:00] <lunaphyte_> hmm.
[18:30:02] <adnc> ahhh
[18:30:08] <lunaphyte_> here's a new man page for you - man 8 local
[18:30:17] <adnc> ok, this is cool
[18:30:29] <lunaphyte_> specifically, the section on mailbox devliery
[18:30:42] <adnc> lunaphyte_: thank you very much
[18:31:17] <adnc> lunaphyte_: ahh, and maybe you better wait a couple of minutes more before judging human.
[18:32:13] <lunaphyte_> sigh
[18:32:47] <adnc> but i thank you really very very much for your help!
[18:34:10] <kexman> hey there fellas :)
[18:34:26] <lunaphyte_> it's a bit odd to be thanked in one breath an chastised in another, but you're welcome.
[18:34:47] <lunaphyte_> good, a new victim.
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[18:35:00] <adnc> as vice-versa isnt't
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[18:37:05] <fantasticmrfox> Lo, not sure I'm asking the right channel here... but I use postfix... and I was wondering if perhaps I can filter mail (say mailing list stuff) into a folder (like you see on IMAP) server side... so when I download it, its already in the right folder?
[18:37:32] <cpm> depends, what imap server?
[18:38:50] <fantasticmrfox> courier
[18:39:21] <lunaphyte_> that can be done when it's delivered too.
[18:39:46] <fantasticmrfox> it can, but I use many copies of thunderbird - synchronizing the filtering settings is getting annoying
[18:39:53] <fantasticmrfox> so I'd like it done server side
[18:40:03] <lunaphyte_> delivery is server side.
[18:40:13] <lunaphyte_> i think you're confusing delivery with retrieval.
[18:40:20] <fantasticmrfox> ok yes I am
[18:40:29] <fantasticmrfox> so how do I do it when its delivered?
[18:41:53] <lunaphyte_> procmail is the old standby.  there are other choices as well, but i can't offer much insight regarding the topic.
[18:42:08] <fantasticmrfox> can you cpm?
[18:43:01] <cpm> local or virtual users?
[18:43:15] <fantasticmrfox> qua?
[18:43:23] <fantasticmrfox> mail boxes!
[18:44:49] <fantasticmrfox> cpm: I don't understand what you mean by thaty
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[19:00:47] <kexman> guys i installed postfixadmin
[19:00:58] <kexman> but now i dont know how to connect it with postfix :)
[19:01:29] <kexman> !postfixadmin
[19:01:29] <knoba> kexman: "postfixadmin" : used for managing email accounts through a web interface (http://high5.net/postfixadmin/)
[19:04:01] <vice-versa> !lvsv
[19:04:01] <knoba> vice-versa: "lvsv" : local(8) provides message delivery to local UNIX user accounts whilst virtual(8) provides message delivery to non-UNIX accounts which optionally facilitates hosting multiple domains on a single host
[19:04:13] <vice-versa> fantasticmrfox: ^^^
[19:05:25] <kexman> vice-versa: do you have any good guide to set up postfix with postfixadmin and dovecot ?
[19:05:41] <vice-versa> nope
[19:06:26] <vice-versa> there is a postfixadmin channel iirc, not sure if it's # or ## though
[19:07:37] <cpm> there is? I though they just had the sf forums.
[19:08:12] <vice-versa> dunno, I could be completely wrong, seen it mentioned but never checked myself
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[19:11:47] <kexman> vice-versa: do you use postfixadmin ?
[19:11:51] <rob0> !vice-versa
[19:11:53] <knoba> rob0: "vice-versa" : adv : with the order reversed; on the contrary; on opposite sides. eg: 'rob0 loathes cpm and vice-versa'
[19:12:51] <kexman> !rob0
[19:12:52] <knoba> kexman: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic factoid :)
[19:13:01] <kexman> !basic
[19:13:01] <knoba> kexman: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[19:13:57] <vice-versa> kexman: hell no
[19:14:19] <kexman> vice-versa: no ? why not ?
[19:14:23] <kexman> what do you use instead ?
[19:14:33] <kexman> vice-versa: postfix admin is so bad or what ???
[19:15:06] * rob0 uses mc(1)
[19:15:15] <kexman> buhh
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[19:18:53] <adnc> in every user i do have a .forward file with this content: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail || exit 75 #myuser" can i have this better solved that i do not need to put this file in every user? or telling postfix to process them via procmail?
[19:19:05] <vice-versa> kexman: personally I use command line tools written in Perl, we have an in-house developed web interface for those that require such things
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[19:24:51] <anoncos> What's the easiest way to have mail sent to an account forwarded to another address, but still delivered to the original account?
[19:25:25] <anoncos> The guides I have found all seem to be just to forward mail destined for a virtual account.
[19:26:37] <rob0> "man local", .forward, not real well documented unfortunately
[19:29:42] <anoncos> Hmmm... it looks like it describes what I want to do... lol.  Now to make it do it =/
[19:29:57] <rob0> "man 5 aliases" it says
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[19:37:43] <djerem> anoncos: i have an old .forward where i have two lines, first "email@domain", second "\user" where user is my unix username (yes there is a "\" in front of the user)
[19:42:55] <djerem> adnc: can't you just add in the main.cf of postfix something like 'mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION"'? I'm using procmail and have no .forward in my home directory
[19:46:49] <rob0> mailbox_command acts for all users, not generally a good idea IMO. But Debian disagrees.
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[19:50:49] <sysmonk> ho
[19:50:57] <djerem> rob0: he wants its for every users... Maybe there is a way to have a general forward (like an /etc/procmailrc) i don't know; and that's right i'm under debian
[19:51:36] <sysmonk> debian-- :P
[19:52:08] <djerem> erf
[19:52:50] <adnc> i have a general /etc/procmailrc it works great, but what about a general forward file`?
[19:53:20] <sysmonk> what do you want to have in it, in general ?
[19:54:40] <adnc> |IFS=' ' && exec /usr/bin/procmail || exit 75 #myuser
[19:55:07] <djerem> adnc: your were wanting a solution to prevent having a .forward in each home user directory, I'm just saying there is maybe a way to have only one forward, put in /etc/ that can be override locally by any users who wants (line your /etc/procmailrc)
[19:55:16] <adnc> sysmonk: just this, i could place it to /etc/skel but the username would need to be substituted
[19:55:47] <adnc> djerem: yes, but what am i going todo with the particular username. using variables like $USER didnt help
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[19:57:10] * sysmonk doesn't get it
[19:57:25] <sysmonk> you have a general procmailrc and you still want the forwards to have | /usr/bin/procmail ?
[19:57:46] <djerem> adnc: right :) that's strange that you can not put $USER, its look like shell commands
[19:58:49] <adnc> sysmonk: isnt it ok to have procmail started in the .forward file
[19:59:15] <adnc> my general procmailrc only holds information to move mails to particular folders like spam mail to spam folder
[19:59:39] <adnc> djerem: yes, absolutely, but maybe there is a way to avoid all this.
[19:59:49] <sysmonk> adnc: so, why don't you use the mailbox_command ?
[19:59:57] <sysmonk> mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail
[20:00:08] <adnc> sysmonk: maybe because i didnt know yet. ;-)
[20:00:19] <djerem> adnc: are you sure this is required for postfix, it looks like somethink required only for 'sendmail'...
[20:00:38] <sysmonk> adnc: didn't rob0 tell you that already ?
[20:00:56] <adnc> i didnt see, sorry if so.
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[20:01:04] <sysmonk> 09-11 20:47:04 < rob0> mailbox_command acts for all users, not generally a good idea IMO. But Debian disagrees.
[20:01:07] <sysmonk> !mailbox_command
[20:01:08] <knoba> sysmonk: "mailbox_command" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional external command that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery. The command is run as the recipient. Exception: command delivery for root executes with $default_user privileges.
[20:01:11] <sysmonk> adnc: ^^
[20:01:24] <adnc> ahh yes i see, because he didnt use my name i didnt realize
[20:01:27] <adnc> rob0: thank you
[20:01:57] <djerem> this is what i said just before rob0... -_-
[20:02:14] <adnc> djerem: thank you to you aswell ;)
[20:03:17] <sysmonk> and nobody thanks me :(
[20:03:19] <sysmonk> :PPP
[20:03:20] <sysmonk> joking
[20:03:31] <adnc> sysmonk: thank you to you aswell ;)
[20:03:38] <adnc> better: thank you postfix community
[20:03:51] <adnc> i think this way we do not forget anyone
[20:07:08] * cpm thanks rob0, but ignores sysmonk
[20:07:29] <cpm> snubmonk
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[20:17:20] <rob0> sysnub
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[20:31:35] <adnc> yes, mailbox_command works great
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[20:35:59] <sysmonk> raz: please, the whole channel is concerned, see a doctor
[20:37:46] <sysmonk> > grep "raz rubs his eyes" ~/.irssi/logs/FreeNode/*/*/*/#postfix.log | wc -l 11
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[20:38:24] <rob0> raz, didn't your mother and I tell you not to rub your eyes all the time?
[20:38:48] <sysmonk> who's the mother? cpm?
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[20:45:00] <adnc> does someone know where which application makes this kind of entries into the syslog?
[20:45:03] <adnc> Sep 11 20:30:46 mail check[25017]: [ 2] [bootup] Logging initiated LogDebugLevel=3 to sys-syslog
[20:45:06] <adnc> Sep 11 20:30:49 mail check[25017]: [ 3] mail 1 is not known spam.
[20:45:15] <sysmonk> the application is called 'check' :P
[20:45:30] <sysmonk> and you can see the pid there ^^
[20:45:32] <sysmonk> 25017
[20:45:33] <diego_> i'm trying to do a mail relay to gmail but i get this: <diegoev at msn dot com>: host smtp.gmail.com[74.125.47.109] said: 530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first. 9sm12164327yws.5 (in reply to MAIL FROM command)  i have smtp_tls_note_starttls_offer in my main.cf though...
[20:45:37] <sysmonk> so, find it!
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[20:46:34] <diego_> any ideas?
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[20:46:37] <adnc> sysmonk: ohh it is spamd
[20:46:40] <adnc> thank you
[20:46:46] <adnc> but this is no good
[20:46:56] <sysmonk> !smtp_tls_security_level
[20:46:57] <knoba> sysmonk: "smtp_tls_security_level" : The default SMTP TLS security level for the Postfix SMTP client; when a non-empty value is specified, this overrides the obsolete parameters smtp_use_tls, smtp_enforce_tls, and smtp_tls_enforce_peername. Specify one of the following security levels: none, may, encrypt, fingerprint, verify, secure. Available in Postfix 2.3 and later.
[20:46:58] <sysmonk> diego_: ^^
[20:47:02] <diego_> thanks
[20:47:20] <sysmonk> diego_: note_starttls just logs the servers which support starttls
[20:48:04] <diego_> i see
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[20:50:25] <adnc> this here shows that the mail is relayed via spamassassin: Sep 11 20:23:03 mail postfix/pipe[13317]: 1F01A34A6A: to=<listbounces at dinc dot org>, relay=spamassassin, delay=6.9, delays=1/0/0/5.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via spam
[20:50:41] <adnc> assassin service)
[20:50:53] <adnc> and put into my spamfolder correctly
[20:51:03] <adnc> but also a check from spamd shows that this is not spam
[20:51:27] <cpm> don'
[20:51:29] <adnc> is it possible that here the mail is relayed to spamassassin, and i'm doing check again
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[20:51:33] <cpm> t rub your eyes all the time
[20:51:33] <sysmonk> you deliver it to spamassassin
[20:51:51] <sysmonk> adnc: if you deliver it to spamassassin - then why do you ask it on #postfix ?
[20:52:17] <adnc> because i dont know what the check does
[20:52:31] <adnc> if i find out this is not postfix, sure i'll not ask it here
[20:52:52] <sysmonk> adnc: i can tell you - it's not postfix
[20:53:01] <adnc> ok
[20:53:02] <sysmonk> all postfix's logs are prefixed with postfix
[20:53:06] <sysmonk> i.e. postfix/cleanup postfix/smtp
[20:53:18] <adnc> i see
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[21:14:16] <diego___> i'm getting this now: http://pastebin.com/m41439617
[21:14:22] <diego___> any ideas?
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[21:18:29] <diego_> i installed libsasl2-modules on debian and works now
[21:18:30] <diego_> :)
[21:19:12] <anoncos> Hey guize...
[21:19:55] <anoncos> I don't know why I didn't think of it earlier... (well, I just didn't know I could do this) but automatically BCCing the address I want mail forwarded to works like a charm!
[21:20:10] <sysmonk> diego_: didn't know lesbian had those
[21:20:15] <sysmonk> i thought they have libsuck-modules
[21:20:36] <sysmonk> anoncos: don't start the guize talk
[21:20:37] <anoncos> no, they have libdonutbumping modules
[21:20:44] <anoncos> lol sysmonk :)
[21:21:19] <anoncos> Anyhow, bcc_recipient_maps is perfect for what I wanted.
[21:21:52] <sysmonk> there's no postfix option for what i want, though :/
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[21:22:35] <anoncos> sysmonk: Did you try compiling it with the --with-bj flag?
[21:23:17] <sysmonk> it doesn't support blowjobs
[21:23:21] <sysmonk> err, -bj that is
[21:23:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:24:14] <adnc> sysmonk: what distribution are you using?
[21:25:14] <sysmonk> distribution? what's that?! :)
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[21:25:54] <adnc> sysmonk: i see, of course, what a question
[21:26:08] <sysmonk> adnc: i use something what doesn't change the defaults to unreasonable
[21:26:13] <sysmonk> and i use a OS, not a distribution
[21:27:59] <vice-versa> oh here we go...
[21:28:07] <sysmonk> haha
[21:28:07] <sysmonk> ;))
[21:28:12] <anoncos> Holy crap this is awesome
[21:28:13] <sysmonk> vice-versa: evening
[21:28:24] <vice-versa> sysmonk: hey
[21:29:03] <anoncos> I wanted an address that will send directly to my mobile...  so I just set up a new user "mobile", created a ~/.forward and voila.
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[21:40:32] <sysmonk> anoncos: oh noes! now ya have a unix account for that!
[21:40:39] <sysmonk> now you are less secure! :)
[21:41:40] <anoncos> It doesn't have a password... :P
[21:41:43] <anoncos> Therefore no login
[21:42:17] <sysmonk> oh noes! a passwordless login!
[21:42:29] <sysmonk> and also a buggy .forward file which can be hax0r3d ;P
[21:42:34] <sysmonk> ok ok, i shut up ;)
[21:42:45] <anoncos> lol
[21:42:55] <anoncos> It's all good, I'm in a good mood... I love my linux server <3
[21:43:33] <anoncos> The last thing I need to do is install some kind of address book server on it.
[21:43:57] <sysmonk> so, you need help with creating dns entries to the google services? :P
[21:44:39] <anoncos> Then I've got my mail on my own server, my tasks and calendar on my server (using webDAV iCal), and damn near everything else on my server :D
[21:45:03] <anoncos> lol, I need to not mess with dns entries any more, after last night's debacle.
[21:45:23] <sysmonk> i mess with them sometimes
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[21:45:44] <sysmonk> last shit i did was changing a lot of entries in few thousands zones with sed
[21:45:53] <sysmonk> that was on intention
[21:45:53] <anoncos> wat
[21:46:04] <anoncos> Why would you do such a thing?
[21:46:04] * raz rubs his eyes
[21:46:04] <sysmonk> BUT ... the worse thing was - i didn't update the SOA
[21:46:24] <sysmonk> and after i changed the entries with sed i didn't know what zones i changed anymore ;/
[21:46:36] <sysmonk> so, well, i had to update all of my zones entries
[21:46:59] <anoncos> Ooops
[21:47:10] <sysmonk> s/entries/soa entries/
[21:48:28] <sysmonk> randra: i'll tell your mom!
[21:48:32] <sysmonk> that is, i'll tell cpm
[21:50:33] <shasta> fix your tabcompletion
[21:50:54] <sysmonk> hrrr, yeah. i'll need to do that
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[21:51:03] <shasta> see?
[21:51:06] <shasta> you scared him off!
[21:51:08] <deftunix> hi all
[21:51:13] <deftunix> i've this problem
[21:51:14] <sysmonk> it's not my tab completion, it's irssi bug(?)
[21:51:14] <deftunix> 451 4.5.0 Error in processing, id=02867-01, parts_decode_ext FAILED: Unix utility file(1) not available, but is needed at (eval 89) line 110. (in reply to end of DATA command))
[21:51:33] <sysmonk> it autocompletes based on the last nick who said something on the chan
[21:51:34] <deftunix> some one have seme suggestions for me?
[21:51:35] <shasta> deftunix, your problem is amavis-related
[21:51:37] <sysmonk> but ignores actions
[21:51:39] <deftunix> yes
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[21:51:44] <deftunix> shasta:  yes
[21:51:45] <shasta> install file(1)
[21:51:49] <vice-versa> hehe. makes you wonder what he was up to
[21:51:58] <deftunix> file is installed
[21:52:12] <shasta> apparently not
[21:52:19] <shasta> anyway, go to #amavis
[21:52:35] <deftunix> # which file
[21:52:48] <sysmonk> see? no output
[21:52:49] <sysmonk> ;)
[21:53:06] <deftunix> sysmonk: /usr/bin/file
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[21:53:41] <sysmonk> you've been told where the topic belongs to
[21:53:48] <sysmonk> s/topic/question/
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[22:23:48] <unevermetme> hi
[22:23:57] <unevermetme> just finished installed postfix
[22:24:03] <unevermetme> no addons
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[22:24:13] <unevermetme> and have this little issue
[22:24:23] <unevermetme> also installed dovecot
[22:24:41] <unevermetme> when i send mails with squirell
[22:25:02] <unevermetme> it says user at localhost dot $mydomain
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[22:25:12] <unevermetme> in the sender field
[22:25:39] <unevermetme> From:   	user at localhost dot $mydomain
[22:26:08] <unevermetme> but To:   	user@$mydomain
[22:26:15] <unevermetme> what's wrong
[22:26:16] <unevermetme> ?
[22:26:40] <xpoint_dell> its dovecot auth that is wroung
[22:27:06] <xpoint_dell> are you using @ in squirrelmail login ?
[22:27:27] <unevermetme> no
[22:27:32] <unevermetme> just a single domain
[22:27:40] <unevermetme> no virtuals
[22:27:51] <xpoint_dell> okay thats why, dovecot need to use a domain in the default then
[22:28:01] <unevermetme> ohh
[22:28:08] <unevermetme> let me find the line
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[22:29:02] <roler> is there a way I can block email sent to "undisclosed-recipients:" when there is no TO or CC field?
[22:29:45] <unevermetme> that's BCC
[22:31:22] <roler> exactly. But, buy only blocking undisclosed-recipients when there is no To: or Cc: field, then legitimate bcc's should still come through
[22:32:42] <unevermetme> xpoint_dell, auth_default_realm = domain.com ?
[22:33:05] <xpoint_dell> unevermetme, not shure, but may be that one, test it
[22:35:13] <xpoint_dell> unevermetme, if you login to squirrelmail without @ postfix will add mydestinatin (first listed entry) to the pam username
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[22:40:19] <unevermetme> xpoint_dell, and i think also i should change in the squirellmail settings ? :D
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[22:40:46] <unevermetme> now i saw
[22:41:54] <xpoint_dell> squirrelmail should use @, but it olso works without, if all else fails see smtpd_generic_maps in postfix
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[22:45:09] <unevermetme> xpoint_dell, this was from squirell
[22:45:27] <unevermetme> had to adjust settings within config
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[22:59:34] <level09> can I install postfix on windows
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[23:01:21] <sysmonk> no, although it might be possible with cygwin
[23:01:34] <sysmonk> but that's... urgh... sucks
[23:01:57] <thumbs> level09: you should use a decent OS instead.
[23:02:18] <level09> i'd use ubuntu, but its not up to me :D
[23:02:50] <level09> by the way, (newbie question) , sending Email from a machine, deos it require a real dedicated ip address ?
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[23:16:34] * raz rubs his eyes
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[23:17:11] <shasta> we *so* don't care
[23:17:20] * vice-versa scratches raz's eyes out
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[23:26:31] <lunaphyte> has anybody timed that?  is it some auto-chat thing?
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[23:42:37] <rob0> 00:19 17:36 18:27 19:46 21:16 21:17  * vice-versa scratches raz's eyes out
[23:43:04] <rob0> the timing looks random, at least no pattern I can see.
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