[00:01:03] <rob0> !default_privs
[00:01:04] <knoba> rob0: "default_privs" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default rights used by the local(8) delivery agent for delivery to external file or command. These rights are used when delivery is requested from an aliases(5) file that is owned by root, or when delivery is done on behalf of root. DO NOT SPECIFY A PRIVILEGED USER OR THE POSTFIX OWNER.
[00:01:21] <rob0> see also aliases(5)
[00:02:14] <pickcoder> rob0: you may not want a specific sudo-able user being the default
[00:04:50] <rob0> "see also aliases(5)" means "the owner of a file in $alias_maps is the user who executes commands."
[00:05:00] <pickcoder> the only reason I say that is I use a custom group/user to deal with mail-centric integration which I don't want as the default
[00:05:19] <rob0> so, add that user's file to your alias_maps
[00:05:23] <rob0> done
[00:05:25] <rob0> no pipe
[00:05:26] <pickcoder> I don't want it there
[00:06:08] <pickcoder> I have NIS serving content and I don't want aliases matching elsewhere
[00:06:25] <pickcoder> (though I still block that recpient elsewhere)
[00:09:04] <tvirus> Is it possible to keep my generic file in plain text and use it in the main.cf mapping?
[00:09:22] <_fury> so I'm having a really odd problem with postfix refusing to relay mail for certain users and I really can't figure this one out. The user authenticates to SASL and all. the maillog just says that relay access is denied, but doesn't mention anything about them authenticating.
[00:10:08] <pickcoder> rob0: not to totally negate you; if I wasn't so paranoid I could probably get by with what you said but I prefer to have it as a service instead of an alias
[00:10:36] <pickcoder> (I may even tag on a custom content filter at some point if that's possible for a pipe service
[00:12:46] <pickcoder> though I'm sure it's more advantageous to do that in the pipe command
[00:13:08] <akhilesh> sysmonk: Does the recipient_delimiter work for virtual forwarded address also ?
[00:13:18] <pickcoder> tvirus: eh? generic file of what?
[00:13:29] <rob0> !recipient_delimiter
[00:13:30] <knoba> rob0: "recipient_delimiter" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The separator between user names and address extensions (user+foo). See canonical(5), local(8), relocated(5) and virtual(5) for the effects this has on aliases, canonical, virtual, relocated and on .forward file lookups. Basically, the software tries user+foo and .forward+foo before trying user and .forward.
[00:13:53] <rob0> recipient_delimiter affects all classes of address.
[00:14:16] <pickcoder> _fury: if you turn up logging verbosity then it will log more information on the SASL handshaking if it's happening
[00:14:41] <tvirus> pickcoder: It lets you route an email from user at host dot com to userB at host dot com.
[00:14:43] <rob0> No, if it doesn't say they authenticated, they did NOT auth.
[00:14:45] <pickcoder> though it should still say something about it in the logs
[00:14:55] <_fury> pickcoder: that's an idea, what should I set it to?
[00:15:01] <tvirus> The file is called 'generic'
[00:15:03] <rob0> Sounds like MS Outhouse.
[00:15:10] <rob0> !outlook
[00:15:11] <knoba> rob0: "outlook" : MS Outlook has numerous problems with TLS and AUTH support. Try using a better client to troubleshoot your Postfix server's AUTH features; then once you know it works, you can go back and break it such that Outlook will work.
[00:15:31] <pickcoder> _fury: what are you using for the auth client?
[00:15:35] <pickcoder> er.. service
[00:15:44] <_fury> dovecot
[00:15:45] <_fury> the user having problems is outhouse :(
[00:15:54] <_fury> but this actually always worked before
[00:15:56] <rob0> Why am I not surprised? :)
[00:16:16] <pickcoder> disable_plaintext_auth = no
[00:16:29] <pickcoder> make sure "login" is an auth mech
[00:16:44] <pickcoder> and plain
[00:17:18] <pickcoder> it's usually the disable_plaintext_auth that people miss
[00:17:32] <_fury> ya it was commented out and set to yes
[00:17:36] <pickcoder> it's either excluded and the default is yes or it's commented and hidden
[00:17:58] <_fury> my thing says mechanisms = plain
[00:18:14] <pickcoder> I have login and plain and OL works
[00:19:15] <_fury> ah
[00:19:19] <_fury> yes tha tlooks like it fixed it
[00:19:22] <_fury> yeah outlook is so horrible
[00:19:32] <_fury> I wish I could just confince them all to use thunderbird or some other sane client
[00:20:23] <Trengo> might as well tell the secretaries not to use word...
[00:20:31] <pickcoder> OOWriter
[00:20:40] <Trengo> same thing
[00:21:04] <pickcoder> atleast it's not tied to Thunderbird and consumes 40-60MB of RAM when idle
[00:21:21] <_fury> yes
[00:24:57] <pickcoder> tvirus: which parameter are you talking about using a plain text file with?
[00:25:30] <vice-versa> and their reply to that is, "whatever that means"
[00:26:09] <pickcoder> that's better than the blank stare
[00:26:33] <vice-versa> hehe
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[00:29:42] <pickcoder> bbl
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[00:30:38] <tvirus> Oh well, no worries, I'll just write a script to postmap it.
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[00:36:31] <akhilesh> somehow, the recipient_delimiter does not seem to work.... although its present in main.cf, I cant recv emails :(
[00:36:44] <akhilesh> how can I diagnose it ?
[00:37:14] <PodMan99a> hey all... trying to get my postfix+spamassassin+maildrop to deliver marked messages to INBOX.Spam ?? any docs?
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[00:41:13] <BenB> I'd like to filter spam before accept/queue, to avoid bounces. I found http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_PROXY_README.html , however, that sounds overly complex to me - essentially 3 SMTP-speaking daemons (before-filter postfix, filter, and after-filter postfix).
[00:42:12] <BenB> spamassassin has "a fast, low-overhead C client program" called "spamc". I'd like postfix to talk to that *directly*.
[00:42:16] <BenB> how can I do that?
[00:42:34] <hparker> BenB: use a milter
[00:43:31] <BenB> hparker: is there a howto how to connect spamassassin?
[00:43:47] <xpoint_dell> amavisd
[00:44:12] <hparker> Not sure about a howto, but about any milter that'll talk to spamassassin should work
[00:44:36] <hparker> Might be something at spamassassin.apache.org
[00:44:57] <higuita> there are many howto in the net for postfix+spamassassin (via milter, via amavis, etc)+clamav
[00:45:30] * hparker prefers to read docs and understand how things work so he has an idea when they break
[00:45:47] <BenB> xpoint_dell: I don't want a local network daemon. I want postfix to *directly* talk to spamassassin. definitely no amavisd.
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[00:46:25] <BenB> higuita: I've founds tons, and they *all* use amavisd.
[00:46:53] * BenB finds http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/spamass-milt/
[00:46:54] <xpoint_dell> BenB, sure, one could use spambayes
[00:47:56] <higuita> BenB: http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/spamass-milter_postfix_en.html
[00:49:01] <BenB> higuita: thanks
[00:49:19] <higuita> :)
[00:49:34] <higuita> google is your friend :D
[00:49:47] <BenB> higuita: only once I knew the keyword "milter" :)
[00:49:59] <higuita> :)
[00:50:02] <BenB> higuita: google is only your friend for keywords, not for concepts :)
[00:50:28] <hparker> Docs are good for keywords
[00:50:30] <hparker> !milter
[00:50:31] <knoba> hparker: "milter" : Postfix support for Sendmail milters: http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html
[00:52:41] <PodMan99a> !spam
[00:52:43] <knoba> PodMan99a: "spam" : for you and SPAM for me, we'll all live together in SPAM harmony at SPAM.com
[00:52:59] <hparker> :P
[00:53:16] <BenB> I'm all for "!spam" ("not spam")
[00:53:18] <PodMan99a> any one know how to make knoba to tell me how to move spam to another folder?
[00:53:25] * hparker is having BLT for dinner, wonders if he ought to have SLT instead
[00:54:13] <hparker> PodMan99a: No, postfix doesn't handle that, what package is maildrop part of?
[00:54:53] <higuita> BenB: you could search for postfix -amavis spamassassin , it would at least show entries using the content filter and probably sooner or later, milters :)
[00:55:50] <higuita> but, yes, its easier to search when we already know what to search ... google still have to improve this :D
[00:56:17] <BenB> PodMan99a: not sure what exactly you're asking, but my preferred way is to let the anti-spam software insert certain headers, then let the maildrop/delivery software (e.g. cyrus' deliver) filter spam into folders based on the headers.
[00:56:43] <BenB> using sieve, procmail or whatever way you prefer to filter mail on the server.
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[01:00:53] <BenB> higuita: (FWIW, the problem is inherent in keyword-based search. you'd need a hierarchical taxonomy ala Yahoo! Directory (just better maintained and navigatable) for concepts.
[01:02:24] <BenB> internet -> mail -> server -> postfix -> spamfilter -> spamassassin -> before accept -> (1) before-queue / (2) milter
[01:02:45] <BenB> </offtopic>
[01:02:54] <hparker> Sounds like a nice site for you to start :P
[01:03:04] <BenB> hparker: yup, did that: ManyOne.
[01:03:14] <BenB> too bad it died due too too little funding.
[01:03:22] <hparker> ahh
[01:07:44] <higuita> BenB: cuil.com have a tag reference when we search... it would help alot for this kind of search (but of course, with more tags and more useful :)
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[01:30:56] <BuenGenio> morning/evening/afternoon
[01:31:42] <BenB> BuenGenio: it's night here. I am offended.
[01:33:45] <BuenGenio> i have the weirdest problem with my postfix install: I've setup postfix to serve mail for several virtual domains. when I send mail from webmail hosted on the server, the mail is delivered to the corresponding user in that virtual domain, however when i try to send email from an outside box, postfix tries to deliver it to a corresponding local user, which naturally results in a bounce
[01:34:12] <BuenGenio> can someone please point what i'm missing
[01:35:01] <BuenGenio> the other problem is that when I connecting to my server with thunderbird/outlook/windows mail the connection is suddenly dropped before any negotiation takes place...
[01:35:05] <BenB> how did you set this up?
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[01:35:43] <BenB> BuenGenio: I'm using virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[01:35:56] <BenB> see docs for how /etc/postfix/virtual needs to look like
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[01:36:17] <BenB> BuenGenio: see docs for how /etc/postfix/virtual needs to look like
[01:36:40] <BenB> BuenGenio: I'm using virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[01:36:50] <BenB> (in main.cf)
[01:39:06] <BuenGenio> well, virtual looks like eugene at byng-systems dot com.ua      eugene.byngsys
[01:39:06] <BuenGenio> bond at byng-systems dot com.ua        bond.byngsys
[01:39:07] <BuenGenio> etc..
[01:39:07] <BenB> don't forget postmap /etc/postfix/virtual
[01:39:07] <BenB> BuenGenio: it must look like:
[01:39:07] <BenB> example.net         ---
[01:39:07] <BenB> support at example dot net        fred
[01:39:07] <BenB> @example.net        spamme
[01:39:10] <BenB> "---" is anything non-null, non-whitespace
[01:39:16] <BuenGenio> that's the gist of what i have
[01:39:24] <BenB> did you do postmap?
[01:39:31] <BuenGenio> byng-systems.com.ua                 byng-systems.com.ua
[01:39:39] <BuenGenio> virtualmin does it i suppose...
[01:39:46] <BuenGenio> but i just did it
[01:39:46] <BenB> do it
[01:39:49] <BuenGenio> manually
[01:40:28] <BuenGenio> User unknown in virtual alias table
[01:40:33] <BenB> that should work, to my knowledge... the only other thing I can imagine would be a problem with your delivery agent (cyrus, courier etc.)
[01:40:38] <BenB> but I don't think so
[01:40:43] <BuenGenio>  relay=none, delay=0.42, delays=0.39/0/0/0.02, dsn=5.0.0,
[01:41:09] <BuenGenio> yeah, i'm using saslauthd
[01:41:43] <BenB> "User unknown in virtual alias table"?
[01:41:52] <BenB> look into that
[01:41:55] <BuenGenio> that's from info.log
[01:42:11] <BuenGenio> except the user is in /etc/postfix/virtual
[01:42:28] <BuenGenio> eugene at byng-systems dot com.ua                    eugene.byngsys
[01:42:42] <BenB> and you did postmap /etc/postfix/virtual ?
[01:42:47] <BuenGenio> yes
[01:42:49] <BenB> and restarted postfix?
[01:42:52] <BuenGenio> yes
[01:43:00] <BuenGenio> (postmap does it too)
[01:43:02] <BenB> *shrug*
[01:43:12] <BenB> don't know, then
[01:43:20] <BuenGenio> the weird thing is that when mail is sent locally - mail gets through, if sent from outside the box - bounce
[01:43:36] <BuenGenio> ok, well thanks anyway
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[01:51:20] <BuenGenio> could  "do not list domain byng-systems.com.ua  in BOTH virtual_alias_domains and virtual_mailbox_domains
[01:51:20] <BuenGenio> " have something to do with this?
[01:51:35] <BenB> sure
[01:51:45] <BuenGenio> how so?
[01:51:50] <BuenGenio> and where
[01:52:01] <BenB> I have none of these.
[01:52:04] <BenB> maybe remove them
[01:53:02] <BenB> my postconf says
[01:53:06] <BenB> virtual_alias_domains = $virtual_alias_maps
[01:53:16] <BenB> virtual_mailbox_domains = $virtual_mailbox_maps
[01:53:33] <BenB> they are not in mail.cf, so I assume they are default
[01:54:27] <BenB> wild guess: check the permissions of the files, esp. /etc/postofix/virtual.db
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[01:54:53] <BenB> maybe the smtpd cannot access it, but the local sendmail can.
[01:56:13] <BuenGenio> 644
[01:56:20] <BenB> ownership?
[01:56:41] <BenB> but 644 should be fine
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[02:12:06] <BenB> higuita, hparker: milter still talks over a socket...
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[02:13:15] <BenB> so, I have (internet) -> postfix -> (milter socket) -> spamass-milter -> (stdin/stdout) -> spamc -> (local network) -> spamd - and all back again
[02:13:43] <BenB> I'd like: (internet) -> postfix -> (local network) -> spamd
[02:14:00] <BenB> or better yet: (internet) -> postfix -> (unix socket) -> spamd
[02:14:46] <BenB> situation with amavisd is not much better (or even worse) than with milter
[02:15:10] <BenB> this is all a complete waste of I/O resources.
[02:15:37] <BenB> (and useless process creation)
[02:15:39] <hparker> no clue, never looked at pre-queue... I've had too many attacks to consider it
[02:16:07] <hparker> when one of your email addys suffers a huge spam run or joe job, you'll see why
[02:16:26] <BenB> hparker: for me, it's the only option. I don't want ham to be ever lost, and I get too much spam to look over it.
[02:16:52] <BenB> and I don't want to spam other people, so bounces are completely out of question.
[02:17:15] <hparker> I do after queue and filter 3k+ a week out of one of my accounts, leaving me 5-10 a day to look at... Works for me
[02:17:32] <BenB> my personal mail constantly suffers this. I get 5000+ per day.
[02:17:48] <BenB> and deleting mail unseen is not an option for me. see "no ham lost" mantra.
[02:18:08] <hparker> so, quarantine what scores > 10, kill > 20
[02:18:09] <BenB> anyways, before queue is the only solution for me that I see.
[02:18:14] <hparker> k, enjoy
[02:18:18] <BenB> I *never* kill
[02:18:48] <hparker> I quarantine > 10 and have never had to fish one out
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[02:19:51] <BenB> hparker: is your spamassassin setup documented? (e.g. followed a howto?)
[02:20:21] <hparker> just the postfix/amavisd-new/spamassassin docs and a few years running it
[02:20:24] <hparker> nothing fancy
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[04:52:45] <harlan> I notice that incoming email from blackberry often "sucks up" the next email that comes in, ie, when I read the message sent form a blackberry it is common for whatever message arrived next to be appended to the blackberry message.  I'm using procmail as the delivery agent.
[04:52:51] <harlan> Has anybody else seen this?
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[05:09:57] <jsoftw> Oh it sucks up the email, does it
[05:10:02] <jsoftw> like a vacum cleaner?
[05:10:22] <jsoftw> suck_up_emails = yes
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[05:14:38] <Dominian> harlan: that's a bit confusing..
[05:14:45] <Dominian> You mean appending/
[05:15:00] <harlan> yes.
[05:15:18] <Dominian> does it do it with anything else or just blackberry emails?
[05:15:44] <harlan> If 2 messages are delivered, the first from a blackberry and the 2nd from a "normal" source, the inbox shows 1 email message.
[05:15:59] <harlan> It *only* happens on email sent from a blackberry.
[05:16:06] <Dominian> and what do the headers look like?
[05:16:16] <harlan> on which message?
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[05:16:28] <Dominian> on the one that is being appended
[05:16:35] <Dominian> I've never ever heard of that happening
[05:16:43] <Dominian> each message is its own "queue" file for a reason..
[05:16:52] <harlan> they both look normal to me (I did not do deep surgery).  I wonder if the blackberry email is missing a final EOL or something.
[05:17:02] <Dominian> so either a) something with the sending server is hosed or b) you have something weird in your config mucking with queue files, headers, or something else.
[05:18:25] <harlan> I'm pretty sure all the config stuff is "stock" in that regard.
[05:18:47] <pickcoder> or it could be the blackberry
[05:18:48] <Dominian> that's really weird
[05:18:53] <Dominian> ae
[05:18:54] <Dominian> er.. aye
[05:19:02] <harlan> I'm expecting it has to do with blackberry messages.
[05:19:04] <Dominian> I'd look at making sure the latest firmware for the BB is on there ..
[05:19:41] <harlan> they are not under my control.
[05:19:46] <pickcoder> harlan: how are you sending the mail from it
[05:19:53] <harlan> these are messages coming in from random folks.
[05:20:14] <harlan> hey pickcoder, it's folks replying to an email from their blackberry.
[05:20:19] <harlan> I don;t have one.
[05:20:20] <pickcoder> SMS?
[05:20:26] <harlan> no idea.
[05:20:31] <Dominian> Well, the only true way to test out and find out what is going on.. get your hands on a blackberry.. monitor the mail log and start sending test messages...
[05:20:48] <Dominian> blackbery messages go through my postfix server just fine.. nothing weird like that at all.
[05:21:02] <harlan> ok, I'll see what I can do.  Thanks for the ideas.
[05:21:07] <Dominian> np
[05:22:32] <pickcoder> wonder if could be the pop3 client
[05:22:40] * Dominian shrugs
[05:22:44] <harlan> I'm not using a pop3 client.
[05:22:48] <pickcoder> imap?
[05:22:55] <harlan> nope.  Maildir and mbox.
[05:23:01] <pickcoder> via what
[05:23:02] <pickcoder> pine?
[05:23:03] <pickcoder> mutt?
[05:23:04] <Dominian> imap
[05:23:14] <Dominian> blackberry defaults to imap for retrieval
[05:23:14] <pickcoder> you're reading it somehow
[05:23:19] <harlan> I use nmh, but I also look at the messages in the Maildir or mbox.
[05:23:37] <harlan> I'm talking about email sent from a blackberry.
[05:23:46] <pickcoder> to the mailbox you're reading
[05:23:52] <harlan> yes
[05:24:04] <pickcoder> are you running any filters on the incoming mail?
[05:24:07] <Dominian> Who's the carrier they are coming from?
[05:25:00] <harlan> I've seen it at 2 sites, one qwest, the other hurricane electric.  But who knows what transit it used from blackberry.
[05:25:19] <Dominian> odd
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[07:58:44] <linux_manju> Hi All
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[07:59:45] <linux_manju> I am running postfix-2.5.1 along with amavisd-new...
[08:00:16] <linux_manju> Eevrything was working fine till now. however from past couple of days I am seeing alot of mails in the Queue ( 3000+ )..
[08:00:31] <linux_manju> and the mails are getting delayed by two to three hours
[08:00:49] <linux_manju> Can anyone help me to debug the issue
[08:00:50] <f3ew> why?
[08:00:55] <f3ew> !debug
[08:00:57] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[08:01:05] <linux_manju> f3ew: Tried that..
[08:02:11] <linux_manju> f3ew: did not help much
[08:05:05] <linux_manju> f3ew: I am getting error like this on in the mailq
[08:05:07] <linux_manju> delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] while sending end of data -- message may be sent more than once
[08:05:38] <linux_manju> f3ew: Would you please tell me what info fdo I need to paste in paste bin?
[08:05:48] <linux_manju> fdo=do
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[08:15:39] <ultrav1olet> How can I let only some certain senders to send e-mail to a certain e-mail address? Like I have address at test dot com and I want to let only user1 at domain1 dot com user2 at domain2 dot com and user3 at domain3 dot com to be able to send e-mails to this e-mail address
[08:27:35] <sysmonk> !restriction_classess
[08:27:35] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "restriction_classess" is not a valid command.
[08:27:38] <sysmonk> !restriction_class
[08:27:38] <knoba> sysmonk: "restriction_class" : postfix per-client/user/etc. access control http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[08:27:41] <sysmonk> ultrav1olet: ^^
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[08:43:36] <ultrav1olet> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access
[08:44:12] <ultrav1olet> access contains this line: user at domain dot com           alloweduser at anotherdomain dot com,reject
[08:44:30] <ultrav1olet> still anyone can send e-mail to user at domain dot com ... :-(
[08:45:35] <f3ew> linux_manju !debug tells yuo
[08:45:38] <f3ew> you
[08:45:52] <f3ew> nope
[08:46:22] <f3ew> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/access, reject_unauth_destination
[08:46:32] <f3ew>  /etc/postfix/access has
[08:46:41] <f3ew> foo at example dot com   restrictive
[08:46:47] <f3ew> main.cf has
[08:47:06] <f3ew> restrictive = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/permitted_senders, reject
[08:47:19] <f3ew> A restriction_class is an if statement
[08:52:12] <ultrav1olet> f3ew: should I insert [restrictive = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/permitted_senders, reject] into some special place in main.cf or anywhere?
[08:53:27] <f3ew> smtpd_restriction_classes = restrictive
[08:53:31] <f3ew> restrictive = check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/permitted_senders, reject
[08:53:34] <f3ew> that's it
[08:58:59] <ultrav1olet> sorry, for annying you, but what is a format of permitted_senders file? We already have foo at example dot com   restrictive but what should I put into permitted_senders file?
[09:01:41] <f3ew> user at example dot net OK
[09:01:55] <f3ew> where user at example dot net is allowed to send
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[09:07:00] <ultrav1olet> This doesn't look good ... What if I have three different e-mail address and three different groups of people allowed to send to these addresses? It looks like I have to create a new class for every e-mail address I'd like to protect
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[09:11:19] <shasta> policy delegation FTW
[09:12:57] <shasta> ultrav1olet, http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_POLICY_README.html
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[09:24:19] <sebastian> hi there
[09:24:24] <sebastian> someones awake?
[09:24:53] <f3ew> yes
[09:25:07] <sebastian> i got a question about postfix and mail forwarding
[09:25:14] <sebastian> maybe you can help me out?
[09:25:28] <sebastian> i got all my users in an ldap db
[09:25:36] <sebastian> and it works quite well
[09:25:40] <sebastian> all users get their mail
[09:26:03] <sebastian> but tehre are some users, where the mail hzas to be forwarded to a subdomains mail exchanger
[09:26:07] <sebastian> and that does not work
[09:26:21] <sebastian> the mail is delivered to the primary mail server
[09:26:37] <sebastian> so the question is
[09:26:57] <sebastian> how does postfix determine the mail adress the mail is delivered to?
[09:27:08] <sebastian> and how can i change its behaviour?
[09:27:35] <sebastian> in the ldap there is a mail adress attribut called "mail"
[09:27:40] <sebastian> which is set correctly
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[09:28:39] <sebastian> heres my ldap query
[09:28:40] <sebastian> version = 3 server_host = localhost search_base = ou=mitarbeiter,ou=people... query_filter = uid=%u result_attribute = mail
[09:28:58] <sebastian> which is set to local_recipient_maps
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[11:02:59] <CrummyGummy> Elo, noob question here. In the http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html there is an example of a simple filter. Would that work for an advanced filter? (Where simple and advanced are as per the link)
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[12:58:46] <BuenGenio> good evening/morning/afternoon
[12:59:01] <BuenGenio> i have a few weird issues with postfix
[12:59:06] <BuenGenio> hoping somebody can give me a hand
[12:59:19] <BuenGenio> 1) when sending mail remotely through thte server - the connection just gets dropped before or at handshaking
[12:59:30] <BuenGenio> 2) sending mail from roundcube to a user @ virtualdomain gets it delivered fine. when sending from outside - postfix tries to deliver it to route it to a local system user, which inevitably fails
[13:00:01] <BuenGenio> this is my main.cf: http://pastebin.com/m6df40e59
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[13:30:56] <tore> I got a setup with mysql+postfix. And I'm thinking about setting up mx2. How does it work? and how should i proceed?
[13:31:13] <tore> will the mx2 get all the mail, que it. and then send it to mx1 when it's back up?
[13:35:35] <vice-versa> http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#backup
[13:36:03] <shasta> how about instead of wasting our time, you waste some yours to read the basic documentation, just like the one vice-versa gave you? ;)
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[13:39:04] <tore> yeah, will do ;p
[13:41:31] <vice-versa> tore: to answer your second question, in theory yes, however secondary MXs tend to be abused/exploited by spammers
[13:43:13] <tore> mm. but it says that I have to pouplate /etc/postfix/relay_recipients with the mail-adresses that I want to back up
[13:43:37] <tore> what if I have 1000 domains hosted, where accounts are added or deleted all the time?
[13:45:32] <vice-versa> and that's the second issue, secondary MXs sometimes are more work than the value of the fault tolerant redundancy they actually provide
[13:47:33] <vice-versa> this is the very thing spammers hope to exploit on secondary MXs, that they're not as well configured as the primary
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[13:48:51] <tore> true true
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[13:51:43] <shasta> tore, make both MXs use the same backend
[13:52:07] <shasta> or "almost the same" (replication)
[13:52:12] <tore> yes
[13:52:17] <sysmonk> both way replication
[13:52:26] <tore> mm, gonna look at it :)
[13:52:29] <tore> thanks guys :)
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[14:00:57] <kexman> hello again
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[14:55:03] <kexman> i like postfix's documentation :)
[14:55:05] <kexman> its great :)
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[15:08:51] <tvirus> Is there a way to make it if postfix is about to send a message to user at host dot com it will also send that message to admin at host dot com ?
[15:10:27] <shasta> !recipient_bcc_maps
[15:10:28] <knoba> shasta: "recipient_bcc_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional BCC (blind carbon-copy) address lookup tables, indexed by recipient address. The BCC address (multiple results are not supported) is added when mail enters from outside of Postfix.
[15:13:46] <kexman> In order to use TLS, the Postfix SMTP server generally needs a certificate and a private key. Both must be in "PEM" format.
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[15:14:05] <kexman> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/postfix/postfix.key
[15:14:05] <kexman> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/postfix/postfix.crt
[15:14:05] <kexman> smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/ca.crt
[15:14:09] <kexman> so this wont work ???
[15:14:27] <lunaphyte_> you tell us.
[15:14:57] <kexman> lunaphyte_: well it worked for me :)
[15:15:13] * lunaphyte_ smacks kexman
[15:15:29] <kexman> lunaphyte_: well but how can it work when the docs sais it must be in pem format ?
[15:15:32] <kexman> lunaphyte_: dont be so angry
[15:15:38] <lunaphyte_> i'm not angry :)
[15:16:01] <lunaphyte_> what makes you think it's not in pem format?
[15:16:43] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: it doesn't have .pem !!!
[15:16:44] <sysmonk> ;))
[15:16:52] <sysmonk> *windows thinking enabled*
[15:16:55] <lunaphyte_> :O  omg!
[15:17:20] <kexman> sysmonk: hmm i tought crt != key != pem
[15:17:21] <lunaphyte_> i'm expecting that will be the answer, but i thought i'd give the benefit of the doubt.
[15:17:49] <lunaphyte_> kexman: a format is a format.  an extension is an extension.  hopefully they complement each other.  often they don't.
[15:17:57] <sysmonk> kexman: is there a /bin/ls.exe ?
[15:18:08] <kexman> :) no
[15:18:18] <sysmonk> then how the hell does 'ls' work?
[15:18:21] <kexman> lunaphyte_: well i made my certificates / files
[15:18:31] <kexman> sysmonk: its an executable
[15:18:36] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: i had to make a symlink to get mine to finally work.
[15:18:38] <sysmonk> kexman: but it doesn't have an .exe!
[15:18:40] <kexman> the linux kernel decides what to run
[15:18:45] <kexman> i think its in the file header
[15:18:49] <kexman> hm ?
[15:18:55] <lunaphyte_> kexman: he is giving you shit, to make a point.
[15:19:00] <sysmonk> kexman: so, how do you know your keys aren't in pem ?
[15:19:46] <lunaphyte_> certificates happen to be one of the bigger offenders when it comes to format/extension confusion
[15:20:01] <lunaphyte_> kexman: have you read up on x509?
[15:20:10] <kexman> lunaphyte_: not totally :)
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[15:20:55] <lunaphyte_> that could mean "not at all", or it could mean "everything except for the final period"...  :)
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[15:21:34] <kexman> this is in postfix.crt
[15:21:45] <sysmonk> oh my, and doesn't ----- mean COMMENTS ?
[15:21:59] <kexman> sysmonk: yes man and there is the certificate and the key in ascii
[15:22:02] <sysmonk> and isn't there anything related to base64 in the file?
[15:22:05] <kexman> between them
[15:22:09] <kexman> yes yes there is ;)
[15:22:12] <sysmonk> wow
[15:22:33] <kexman> but pem files have the key / certificate in one file !
[15:22:34] <kexman> no ?
[15:22:39] <kexman> and dh parameters
[15:22:47] <sysmonk> really?
[15:23:02] <kexman> at least the ones that courier made for me they look like this : rsa private key; certificate; dh parameters
[15:23:09] <sysmonk> wow
[15:23:17] <sysmonk> cat key crt CA > pem
[15:23:18] <lunaphyte_> kexman: postfix (and most programs in general) don't give crap about the name you give a file.  they *look* at the actual file, and decide if they like it or not.  so you can name your cert postfix.dickinmyass if you want, and postfix will be perfectly happy.
[15:23:36] <kexman> :))))
[15:23:37] <kexman> lol
[15:23:44] <kexman> lunaphyte_: how do i make a dh parameter ?
[15:23:44] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: i don't want to know you
[15:23:44] <sysmonk> ;))
[15:23:50] <lunaphyte_> ha
[15:24:00] <kexman> i would like to make courier except certificates that i make
[15:24:12] <jelly> accept?
[15:24:23] <vice-versa> lunaphyte: shitty name though
[15:24:31] <lunaphyte_> haha!
[15:24:55] <sysmonk> vice-versa: it wouldn't be shitty if it wouldn't be in the a$$
[15:24:57] <sysmonk> :P
[15:25:28] <kexman> hahahahaha
[15:25:58] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: don't by shy.  just say the word!  it's ASS!
[15:26:09] <lunaphyte_> *be shy
[15:26:27] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: /alias lunaphyte_ ass
[15:26:27] <sysmonk> ;P
[15:26:50] <lunaphyte_> i tried.  it's already registered.  :(
[15:27:15] <sysmonk> damn it
[15:27:24] <sysmonk> liar
[15:27:24] <sysmonk> 09-10 16:27:31 -NickServ(NickServ at services dot )- ass is not registered.
[15:27:58] <lunaphyte_> i lied :)
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[15:51:01] <vice-versa> I was asked to look at a postfix log from a server that was under an overly persistent, albeit unsuccessful, botnet attempt to relay mail through the server. One thing that stood out to me was they all used the same non-fqdn helo
[15:51:06] <vice-versa> has anyone seen this and or have any theories?
[15:52:51] <vice-versa> It's assumed to be coming from a botnet, but I'm not so sure myself
[15:54:00] <sysmonk> nope
[15:54:04] <sysmonk> atleast not me
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[15:54:45] <f3ew> botnet
[15:54:49] <vice-versa> the persistence, 3 weeks, and all the same helo is making me think it may be a DDoS with spoofed ip addresses
[15:55:25] <sysmonk> vice-versa: how often?
[15:55:54] <vice-versa> very frequent
[15:56:11] <vice-versa> so much so it was saturating the bandwidth
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[15:56:55] <sysmonk> i had some ddos recently ( a month ago ) but i didn't look at the helo/ehlo's
[15:57:02] <sysmonk> they were killing the machine with connections anyway
[15:57:31] <sysmonk> (10 connections / s from each host, and few thousand hosts)
[15:58:42] <vice-versa> I gave them some iptables rules to rate limit 25 which greatly reduced the saturation
[16:00:20] <sysmonk> i used anvil information to block out the ip's
[16:01:43] <vice-versa> interesting, care to elaborate
[16:02:37] <sysmonk> vice-versa: http://www.fw.lt/2008/07/10/postfix-being-ddosed/
[16:03:04] <lunaphyte_> i hate that guy's blog.
[16:03:11] <lunaphyte_> :P
[16:03:11] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: :)
[16:03:23] <f3ew> vice-versa, spoofing over TCP?
[16:04:32] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: i hate the guy himself :P
[16:04:46] <lunaphyte_> yeah, he has a big mouth.
[16:05:05] <jelly> speaking from personal experience, lunaphyte_?
[16:05:08] <sysmonk> he's a complete looser
[16:05:38] <lunaphyte_> *loser
[16:06:07] <jelly> mooser*
[16:06:56] <lunaphyte_> jelly: nah, just a rumor i heard.
[16:09:04] <vice-versa> f3ew: yeah the spoofing doesn't seem plausible now that I think of it
[16:10:59] <vice-versa> ...got fixated on the fact they all used the same helo
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[16:24:14] <vice-versa> sysmonk: did you monitor the hit counts on your firewall rules?
[16:24:41] <vice-versa> just wondering how long it persisted
[16:29:39] <sysmonk> not long
[16:29:52] <sysmonk> i still have the rules
[16:30:06] <sysmonk> err, but not much of them left
[16:30:09] <sysmonk> only 85
[16:30:53] <vice-versa> how many hosts did you determine were involved
[16:31:20] <sysmonk> few thousands
[16:31:50] <vice-versa> seen you noted they were mainly from ru on your blog
[16:31:52] <sysmonk> http://pastebin.com/d48227191
[16:31:55] <sysmonk> the ones which still are there
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[16:32:19] <cVsup> somebody can help me?
[16:32:19] <cVsup> pmobile:/var/log# postfix set-permissions
[16:32:19] <cVsup> chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_cdb.so': No such file or directory
[16:32:19] <cVsup> pmobile:/var/log#
[16:32:42] <sysmonk> vice-versa: atleast the random ones i choose to check were from russia / turkey
[16:33:00] <vice-versa> cVsup: don't worry about it
[16:33:37] <vice-versa> sysmonk: aye, the usual suspects ;)
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[16:36:59] <vice-versa> from the chunk of log I was given they were coming from 99 countries and one satellite provider
[16:37:18] <sysmonk> hehe
[16:37:37] <Anduin__> i dont see any ;list pof users in here, is this room active ?
[16:37:50] <sysmonk> ';list pof' ?
[16:38:03] <Anduin__> list of * .. sorry i fat fingered it
[16:38:35] <sysmonk> fix your irc client
[16:38:45] <sysmonk> there are 209 users in this channel
[16:38:51] <Anduin__> how very dare you .. trillian is perfect ;)
[16:39:03] <Anduin__> brb
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[16:39:34] <vice-versa> sysmonk: US, Brazil, China, Russian, Korea, Turkey and India is where the bulk of it was from, at least from the log fragment I had to analyse
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[16:40:20] <sysmonk> i didn't analyse the log, people like to fuck us :)
[16:40:36] <sysmonk> it'd take me too much time to analyse each time
[16:40:59] <vice-versa> running a brothel?  ;)
[16:41:10] <sysmonk> we have lots of governmental institutions and big companies, so there are always somebody who likes to kick our servers
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[16:41:33] <sysmonk> and my managment doesn't care about security and stuff like that, so they're not giving me time for analysing
[16:41:40] <sysmonk> so ... fuck them
[16:41:48] <sysmonk> i'm looking for a new job anyway
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[16:42:48] <Anduin__> trillian fixed ;)
[16:42:54] <shahbour> Hello All, i did email to sms for email notification but now postfix is forwarding two emails instead of one, when checking the log , one of them contain orig_to and the other no, in brief i am using postfixadmin to configure postfix but for alias it is forwarding two emails , any help
[16:43:43] <vice-versa> sysmonk: hehe, maybe you could do some high priced security consulting for them after the fact
[16:44:05] <sysmonk> vice-versa: i already gave them a fucking big list of security issues they have
[16:44:19] <sysmonk> i even made a PoC to the SEO to show how fucked up his company is
[16:44:28] <sysmonk> s/SEO/CEO/
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[16:44:48] <Anduin__> and sorry to spam a little..... I am wondering if someone can talk a semi muppet through working out why postfix and greylisting isnt working, which causes all inbound mails not from my own domain to be bounced due to server misconfiguration
[16:45:21] <vice-versa> sysmonk: pfft, all they're good for usually is indemnification when the shit hits the fan
[16:45:27] <sysmonk> Anduin__: how much he/you're paying? :P
[16:45:44] <sysmonk> vice-versa: that includes that i told all the stuff to CTO a year ago
[16:45:56] <Anduin__> i've god bags of kudos to hand out if that counts as payment :p
[16:45:57] <sysmonk> and 2 of my other direct-bossess
[16:46:33] * sysmonk doesn't know what's kudos, but i don't think that my banks will exchange that to the usual money ;P
[16:47:12] <vice-versa> sysmonk: irony is they probably now perceive you as a loose canon
[16:48:08] <sysmonk> vice-versa: sorry, what do you mean ? *poor english*
[16:48:21] <Anduin__> payment i;m afraid cant happen :(, i'm sure its something silly if anyone wants to offer a little pro-bono freebie newb help ;)
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[16:50:19] <sysmonk> Anduin__: hehe, i'd help but i'm going $HOME already
[16:50:27] <vice-versa> sysmonk: your intentions were honourable and well founded, but management might not see it that way and instead view you as an anoyance, problem or threat
[16:51:01] <sysmonk> vice-versa: don't know, i don't care much as i want a new job anyway
[16:51:16] <sysmonk> so if anyone could offer me one .... :)
[16:52:15] <f3ew> a telecommuting job
[16:52:35] <sysmonk> hehe, k, i'm going $HOME
[16:52:39] <sysmonk> be back in a few hours
[16:53:31] <Anduin__> thanks anyhows sysmonk :)
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[16:54:17] <Anduin__> does anybody else fancy taking up the sysmonk/postfix/greylisting policy error and help me out :D
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[16:54:36] <vice-versa> Anduin__: what are you using for greylisting?
[16:55:21] <Anduin__> sql
[16:56:03] <Anduin__> i followed several of them perfect fedora setup things :)
[16:56:17] <vice-versa> shahbour: any chance there's a content filter involved in this?
[16:56:40] <vice-versa> Anduin__: lovely
[16:56:47] <shahbour> vice-versa:  no if u want i can show u what is happening with me
[16:57:23] <Anduin__> visa-versa @  yup lol, seems it wasnt quite so perfect after all
[16:57:43] <shahbour> vice-versa: how can i paste what site should i use
[16:57:53] <vice-versa> !pastebin
[16:57:54] <knoba> vice-versa: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[16:58:26] <vice-versa> !tell Anduin__ tutorial
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[17:00:46] <shahbour> vice-versa: http://paste.debian.net/16904 as u can see it sent it twice and in my sms gateway it is receiving twice
[17:01:12] <Anduin__> @ vice-versa - thanks for that, without tuts i dont think many of us would know much at all :) ...  sqlgrey is what i am using and every site i found in relation to the error gives the same info ( which doesnt work )
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[17:03:44] <Anduin__> it might possibly appear that sqlgrey isnt running at startup oops lol
[17:05:55] <shahbour> vice-versa: any idea why it is forwarding the email twice
[17:06:07] <vice-versa> shahbour: what's the alias mapping look like?
[17:07:03] <shahbour> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
[17:07:04] <shahbour> virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf
[17:08:16] <vice-versa> and for the accounts in question
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[17:10:55] <shahbour> vice-versa: you can check all log now http://paste.debian.net/16905 as you can see at first it only shows one ac at sms dot ... while when sending it sent it twice , one with orig_to and the other no
[17:11:47] <kexman> smtpd_tls_security_level = may
[17:11:49] <kexman> smtpd_tls_security_level = may
[17:11:51] <kexman> aaaa
[17:11:52] <kexman> sorry
[17:11:57] <kexman> may or encrypt ?
[17:12:33] <kexman> what should i set for a public smtpd server that accepts mail from various other server ? mostly all legit smtpd server
[17:12:47] <vice-versa> shahbour: thought you said there was no content filter involved in this? :(
[17:13:03] <shahbour> no
[17:13:20] <vice-versa> amavis[676]: (00676-10) Passed CLEAN
[17:13:53] <shahbour> sorry what do u mean mean by content filter , is it anti virus scan and grey listing
[17:14:37] <kexman> i thikn i should set it to may  right ? can anyone explain to me what does this mean "publicly-referenced Postfix SMTP server" ? i am not a native english speaker
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[17:16:59] <vice-versa> shahbour: yeah, anti-virus, spamassassin and friends
[17:17:17] <shahbour> yea i use amavis for scanning
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[17:21:28] <shahbour> vice-versa: you think this is the problem
[17:22:04] <vice-versa> shahbour: I don't use amavis myself, but that may be where your problem lies
[17:22:20] <shahbour> mm ok thanks
[17:22:27] <kexman> guys i have smtpd_tls_security_level = may and smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes ; but i am still able to send a message to myself even when i set security to none in my clients config
[17:22:32] <kexman> am i doing something wrong ?
[17:22:55] <vice-versa> shahbour: are you sure the msg wasn't addressed to both the alias and the recipient the alias is expanded to?
[17:23:23] <shahbour> no for sure
[17:23:47] <shahbour> as you can see <shahbour at gmail dot com> -> <ali.shahbour at oratus dot com>,<virus@oratus.com>,<ac@sms.oratus.com>
[17:24:35] <vice-versa> yeah, that is what I seen and made me think that
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[17:25:45] <Anduin__> @Vice-versa, thanks for the manual shout, it forced me to go learn.. all sorted now ta :)
[17:26:08] <vice-versa> see, wasn't so hard now was it ;)
[17:26:20] <pickcoder> kexman: why would you require tls auth and say "maybe" for security level?
[17:26:23] <Anduin__> :p
[17:27:19] <kexman> pickcoder: well im a newbie and dont really understand it well.
[17:27:42] <kexman> pickcoder: i tought these options influence connection when i receive mail from other servers
[17:27:56] <pickcoder> get rid of the security level param or make it "encrypt" if you want to enfofce TLS for SASL
[17:28:07] <pickcoder> !tls
[17:28:08] <knoba> pickcoder: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[17:28:20] <kexman> pickcoder: i want to enfore tls for sasl
[17:28:48] <pickcoder> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_tls_security_level
[17:28:49] <kexman> pickcoder: im reading the docs on the postfix site. they are great but as you see i still need some clearing :)
[17:29:01] <kexman> reading the exactly the same site !
[17:29:04] <pickcoder> default is empty
[17:29:13] <pickcoder> read note 2
[17:29:34] <kexman> When TLS layer encryption is optional ("smtpd_tls_security_level = may" or the obsolete "smtpd_enforce_tls = no"), it may however still be useful to only offer AUTH when TLS is active. To maintain compatibility with non-TLS clients, the default is to accept AUTH without encryption. In order to change this behavior, set "smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes".
[17:29:47] <kexman> that is writtein in the TLS_README
[17:29:52] <kexman> so i set it to may and yes
[17:30:00] <kexman> ill go for encrypt then
[17:30:04] <pickcoder> like I said
[17:30:07] <pickcoder> drop the security param
[17:30:12] <pickcoder> restart postfix
[17:30:19] <kexman> smtpd_tls_security_level = encrypt
[17:30:26] <pickcoder> that's fine
[17:30:27] <kexman> restarted
[17:30:57] <kexman> using thunderbird and i set the Use secure connection : NO
[17:31:23] <kexman> aha
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[17:31:25] <kexman> now its working
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[17:31:34] <kexman> must issue a STARTTLS command first :)
[17:31:50] <kexman> pickcoder: then the TLS_README is wrong or i didnt get it right ?
[17:32:02] <kexman> http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html#server_tls_auth
[17:32:15] <pickcoder> the readme is correct for general use where you don't want to enforce TLS
[17:32:28] <kexman> as i pasted before it says that i can add smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes even using may for the other parameter
[17:32:53] <pickcoder> hm
[17:33:08] <kexman> pickcoder: for imap and pop3 tsl enforcing i would need to consult courier imap and pop3 config files ? right ?
[17:33:32] <pickcoder> may for security level does not enforce tls
[17:33:43] <pickcoder> kexman: yes
[17:33:47] <f3ew> kexman yes
[17:34:22] <pickcoder> kexman: I think you're looking at it backwards
[17:34:38] <kexman> well then i got it wrong . sorry
[17:34:43] <pickcoder> you can enforce TLS with the security level of "encrypt"
[17:34:48] <kexman> thanks for clarifying
[17:35:00] <pickcoder> tls_auth_only = no  means you can auth with or without tls
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[17:35:09] <pickcoder> but the sec param overrides the no-tls default
[17:35:11] <kexman> Sep 10 18:33:42 mobile postfix/smtpd[10174]: match_list_match: mail.virtual.com: no match
[17:35:15] <kexman> Sep 10 18:33:42 mobile postfix/smtpd[10174]: match_list_match: 192.168.5.109: no match
[17:35:18] <kexman> what does this mean ?
[17:35:27] <kexman> i get it while trying to contact to mail server for send a mail
[17:35:37] <kexman> i was looking at the log while trying to send without using STARTTLS
[17:35:42] <kexman> but i get it otherwise too
[17:35:50] <kexman> what list does it want to match agains ?
[17:39:27] * vice-versa suggests turning off verbose logging
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[18:00:44] <Anduin__> i'm out, happy postfixing :)
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[18:11:59] * raz rubs his eyes
[18:16:36] <sysmonk> 09-10 17:54:30 < Anduin__> does anybody else fancy taking up the sysmonk/postfix/greylisting policy error and help me out :D
[18:16:40] <sysmonk> interesting...
[18:16:40] <sysmonk> ;)
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[18:24:40] <vice-versa> yeah I'm coming up empty on my searches for this postfix sysmonk greylisting thing
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[18:25:43] <vice-versa> maybe there's something on that bigmouth blog ;)
[18:27:14] <pickcoder> 3-day e-mail support turn-around is nice
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[18:28:11] <BuenGenio> good evening/morning/afternoon
[18:28:13] <BuenGenio> i have a few weird issues with postfix
[18:28:16] <BuenGenio> 1) when sending mail remotely through thte server - the connection just gets dropped before or at handshaking
[18:28:22] <BuenGenio> 2) sending mail from roundcube to a user @ virtualdomain gets it delivered fine. when sending from outside - postfix tries to deliver it to route it to a local system user, which inevitably fails
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[18:28:58] <BuenGenio> 3) i don't receive mail from some services, including GMail, but do from others, e.g. Hotmail
[18:29:25] <vice-versa> lots of issues
[18:29:29] <lunaphyte_> !logs
[18:29:30] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[18:29:31] <lunaphyte_> !basic
[18:29:31] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[18:29:33] <lunaphyte_> !examples
[18:29:34] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "examples" : http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[18:29:39] <lunaphyte_> !WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
[18:29:40] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "WEEEEEEEEEEEEE!" is not a valid command.
[18:29:48] * pickcoder makes a !read-everything trigger
[18:30:35] <vice-versa> !cisco_pix
[18:30:36] <knoba> vice-versa: "cisco_pix" : The Cisco PIX firewall has a SMTP proxy feature which breaks ESMTP. If your Postfix server is behind such a firewall you should disable the SMTP Fixup feature.
[18:31:31] <lunaphyte_> !smelly_pig
[18:31:31] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "smelly_pig" is not a valid command.
[18:31:51] <vice-versa> !showme
[18:31:51] <vice-versa> !relevant
[18:31:52] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from, uname -imo;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[18:31:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "relevant" : Please pastebin the relevant mail log excerpts for your issue. See the !logs channel factoid if you do not know where your mail logs are located. See the !pastebin channel factoid if you do not know what a pastebin is.
[18:32:00] <sysmonk>  !learn lunaphyte_ as smelly_pig
[18:32:00] <sysmonk> ;))
[18:32:18] <lunaphyte_> jesus, that backfired.
[18:32:25] <vice-versa> haha
[18:32:40] <sysmonk> vice-versa: !showme is nice
[18:32:45] <lunaphyte_> !learn smelly_pig as sysmonk
[18:32:49] <lunaphyte_> HA!
[18:32:52] <sysmonk> damn you
[18:32:55] <sysmonk> !smelly_pig
[18:32:55] <knoba> sysmonk: "smelly_pig" : sysmonk
[18:32:58] <sysmonk> :P
[18:32:59] <sysmonk> !evil
[18:33:00] <knoba> sysmonk: "evil" : is sysmonk
[18:33:00] <lunaphyte_> haha
[18:33:02] <sysmonk> !sysmonk
[18:33:03] <knoba> sysmonk: "sysmonk" : evil
[18:33:05] <sysmonk> :))))
[18:33:09] <vice-versa> sysmonk: yeah I figured it was about time we had something like that
[18:33:20] <sysmonk> !forget smelly_pig
[18:33:23] <sysmonk> !smelly_pig
[18:33:24] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "smelly_pig" is not a valid command.
[18:33:43] <sysmonk> now, what should i attach lunaphyte_ to..
[18:33:51] <sysmonk> pizdablatskoje_mudajobishche
[18:33:53] <lunaphyte_> so, does uname -imo mean "whatever my opinion is of what uname should be"?  :p
[18:33:59] <sysmonk> (only russian people can understand that)
[18:34:30] <vice-versa> imo, yes
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[18:35:26] <lunaphyte_> uname -imo doesn't work on freebsd
[18:35:34] <vice-versa> damit
[18:36:25] <vice-versa> is there a uname binary?
[18:36:30] <lunaphyte_> yes
[18:37:09] <vice-versa> what switch does it not like?
[18:38:29] <vice-versa> or is because they're combined? (I would think that would be the case though)
[18:39:04] <vice-versa> *wouldn't be rather
[18:39:10] <sysmonk> vice-versa: -o
[18:39:19] <sysmonk> what does -o do?
[18:39:34] <vice-versa> OS
[18:39:43] <lunaphyte_> something like uname -pms would be more suitable for bsd
[18:39:43] <pickcoder> why not do uname -a
[18:40:16] <vice-versa> I was thinking of using -a but thought some might object to it
[18:40:21] <lunaphyte_> yes, uname -a would be most portable, i'd say.
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[18:40:35] <vice-versa> uname -a it is then
[18:40:53] <lunaphyte_> also, you should add in there: echo 'im a homo';
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[18:41:34] <vice-versa> I was thinking of using echo 'im a homo'; but thought some might object to it
[18:41:42] <vice-versa> ;)
[18:41:46] <lunaphyte_> haha
[18:42:06] <lunaphyte_> while you're at it, replace those deprecated backticks with $( )
[18:42:09] <lunaphyte_> :)
[18:42:33] <pickcoder> meh.. I'm sick of bulbs
[18:42:59] <vice-versa> lunaphyte: see, I was thinking about portability there
[18:43:26] <lunaphyte_> pickcoder: apparently you haven't used these bulbs yet: http://www.museumofquackery.com/devices/prostate.htm
[18:43:47] * pickcoder needs an EU source for blacklight blue and 6500K circline and PL-S tubes
[18:43:49] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: i'm trying to be a hypocrite.
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[18:53:30] <sysmonk> hipo-what?
[18:53:32] <sysmonk> ;P
[18:54:12] <vice-versa> yeah uname -a is a good choice now that I think about it, if we see something ... #148 SMP PREEMPT we know we're in for a treat
[18:54:33] <vice-versa> !showme
[18:54:33] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[18:56:00] <sysmonk> vice-versa: you forgot to include the bank account information
[18:56:51] <vice-versa> that's going in the !benevolent factoid
[18:57:11] <sysmonk> or !wishlist
[18:57:15] <sysmonk> or !channel_beer_fund
[18:57:15] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:03:41] <BuenGenio> !communism
[19:03:43] <knoba> BuenGenio: Error: "communism" is not a valid command.
[19:03:50] <vice-versa> indeed
[19:03:57] <BuenGenio> just checking ;)
[19:04:17] <BuenGenio> hey, vice-versa are you knowlegeable in all things Postfix?
[19:04:21] <BuenGenio> perchance
[19:05:02] <vice-versa> I know a couple things, mostly how to incite the channel bot
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[19:05:15] <sysmonk> hehe
[19:05:22] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: you've got a job offer? :P
[19:05:29] <BuenGenio> it's not paid
[19:05:37] <BuenGenio> we can agree on a barter tough
[19:05:38] <BuenGenio> tough
[19:05:40] <BuenGenio> though
[19:05:43] <BuenGenio> damn it
[19:05:46] <BuenGenio> sorry
[19:05:59] <sysmonk> what barter?
[19:06:03] <sysmonk> what can you offer?
[19:06:05] <BuenGenio> i have cheap, but quality ukrainian vodka
[19:06:10] <sysmonk> HMMMM
[19:06:11] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:06:11] <vice-versa> sweet
[19:06:11] <BuenGenio> tomatos
[19:06:13] <BuenGenio> potatoes
[19:06:17] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: i like vodka
[19:06:19] <vice-versa> any goats
[19:06:28] <BuenGenio> only goat milk, unfortunately
[19:06:33] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: where are you from?
[19:06:52] <BuenGenio> ukrainian would be good guess
[19:06:53] <BuenGenio> ukraine
[19:06:54] <BuenGenio> sorry, weed is riping too
[19:07:00] <sysmonk> heh
[19:07:04] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: i'm near you
[19:07:14] <sysmonk> so sure, come here, gimme some vodka and i'll help ya :)
[19:07:14] <BuenGenio> sysmonk, orly?
[19:07:18] <sysmonk> orally
[19:07:21] <sysmonk> err, yes, really
[19:07:22] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:07:26] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: Lithuania
[19:07:28] <BuenGenio> oh behave
[19:07:30] <BuenGenio> :D
[19:07:33] <vice-versa> BuenGenio: yeah, you got a vehicle?
[19:07:49] <BuenGenio> well, isn't the point of IRC/interweb to facilitate remote work?
[19:08:09] <BuenGenio> yeah, but i might not make it to russian border - the roads are notoriously bad around here
[19:08:11] <BuenGenio> :)
[19:08:16] <vice-versa> only if large bodys of water are involved
[19:08:29] <BuenGenio> or vodka?
[19:08:33] <BuenGenio> haha
[19:09:00] <BuenGenio> so yeah, i could ship something to you
[19:09:11] <BuenGenio> plenty of vehicles with LT number plates around
[19:09:20] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: yes, irc / intarwab is for remote stuff
[19:09:22] <sysmonk> but vodka isn't remote
[19:09:23] <BuenGenio> could piggy back you some goat produce
[19:09:29] <sysmonk> and vodka is MORE IMPORTANT than anything
[19:09:41] <BuenGenio> if you're Swedish, I guess...
[19:09:45] <BuenGenio> bloody expensive
[19:09:48] <BuenGenio> haha
[19:09:52] <sysmonk> so, vodka first, then support!
[19:10:00] * BuenGenio hopes there are no Swedish admins in the channel
[19:10:10] <BuenGenio> sysmonk, that's a very mercantile
[19:10:13] <BuenGenio> approach
[19:10:16] <BuenGenio> :)
[19:10:28] <BuenGenio> plus i asked first ;)
[19:10:31] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: and you'll even get support on your 'almost-native' language - russian ;)
[19:10:57] <hparker> remote vodka?!?! Is that what VoIP stands for?
[19:10:59] <BuenGenio> my almost native language is spanish and php
[19:11:02] <vice-versa> complete with drunken slur
[19:11:06] <BuenGenio> hahahaha
[19:11:10] <BuenGenio> hparker, classic
[19:11:17] <hparker> ;)
[19:11:26] <BuenGenio> (tu)
[19:11:45] <BuenGenio> i need help with routing issues and delivery in postfix
[19:11:52] <vice-versa> BuenGenio: your first issue sort of sounds firewall or mtu related, that !cisco_pix factoid was meant you
[19:12:03] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: php is native in lithuania
[19:12:05] <BuenGenio> oreally
[19:12:09] <sysmonk> but spanish ... err... what's that ? :)
[19:12:26] <BuenGenio> some dialect of Catalan, i think
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[19:12:44] <BuenGenio> that's if Catalan has dialects...
[19:12:52] <BuenGenio> !cisco_pix
[19:12:53] <knoba> BuenGenio: "cisco_pix" : The Cisco PIX firewall has a SMTP proxy feature which breaks ESMTP. If your Postfix server is behind such a firewall you should disable the SMTP Fixup feature.
[19:12:53] <sysmonk> is it compilable or interpretable?
[19:13:12] <BuenGenio> it's unsupportable
[19:13:17] <BuenGenio> hehehe ;)
[19:13:33] <BuenGenio> vice-versa, i run my own firewall
[19:13:49] <BuenGenio> afaik the hosting company doesn't filter any traffic to my box
[19:13:59] <vice-versa> then I guess you ruled that out at least?
[19:14:17] <BuenGenio> let's hope so
[19:15:17] <BuenGenio> what's bothering me is that mail sent locally (from webmail) is delivered to a user on the virtual host - i.e. /home/corpwebsite/homes/johny/mail
[19:15:31] <BuenGenio> when mail comes from outside, the box tries to put it into /home/johny/mail
[19:15:56] <BuenGenio> and my virtual.db looks right enough...
[19:16:06] <vice-versa> BuenGenio: can you telnet out to a remote smtp and complete a delivery?
[19:16:28] <BuenGenio> you mean to my SMTP from here?
[19:16:36] <BuenGenio> or from the server
[19:16:37] <vice-versa> from the same host postfix is on obviously
[19:16:40] <BuenGenio> ok
[19:16:46] <BuenGenio> i'll try with google
[19:17:08] <BuenGenio> ok i'm on 250 already
[19:19:18] <BuenGenio> it's when i get to RCPT TO: google tellls me relaying is denied...
[19:20:04] <BuenGenio> anyway, it connects, so
[19:21:26] <BuenGenio> either way, judging from my particular set of conditions, postfix works fine as an MTA
[19:21:41] <BuenGenio> i can see other hosts delivering mail to my box in the logs
[19:21:47] <sysmonk> what does work wrong?
[19:21:59] * sysmonk didn't read the problem description
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[19:22:38] <BuenGenio> basically, when i try to use mail.myserver.com.ua to send mail, the connection drops abruptly before the mail is sent
[19:22:52] <sysmonk> what do logs say?
[19:22:55] <BuenGenio> and it's these connections that i don't see in the logs
[19:22:57] <sysmonk> pastebin the line where it drops
[19:23:12] <BuenGenio> hence i am unable to even think where to start looking
[19:23:34] <BuenGenio> is this something to do with Debug level?
[19:23:56] <BuenGenio> debug_peer_level is currently 3
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[19:25:01] <kexman> vice-versa: :) okay ... for the >> "17:39  * vice-versa suggests turning off verbose logging"
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[19:25:25] <BuenGenio> what was that all about? :P
[19:25:42] <BuenGenio> how can i make it log every connection?
[19:25:48] <BuenGenio> on protocol level
[19:25:55] <BuenGenio> not just when the mail is accepted for delivery?
[19:25:56] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: i asked for a log entry showing how it doesn't work ;/
[19:26:05] <sysmonk> !debug
[19:26:06] <knoba> sysmonk: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[19:26:06] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: ^^
[19:26:33] <BuenGenio> well, as i said, i don't see any logs for the unsuccessful connections
[19:26:52] <BuenGenio> i'll check that out
[19:26:57] <sysmonk> didn't you say that it also doesn't work for outgoing?
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[19:28:28] <sysmonk> ehlo devdas
[19:28:51] <sysmonk> or should i say, ehlo sysmonk.fqdn.lt UTF8SMTP
[19:28:52] <sysmonk> ;)
[19:29:11] <BuenGenio> sysmonk, sorry, i'll rephrase - when I try to use it as SMTP from outlook
[19:30:01] <BuenGenio> ok got it
[19:30:06] <BuenGenio> Sep 10 20:30:05 madrid postfix/smtpd[14932]: > localhost[127.0.0.1]: 220 byng-systems.com.ua ESMTP Postfix (MacOSX 10.4.11)
[19:30:32] <sysmonk> ouch, macosx as a server
[19:30:47] <sysmonk> people get crazy theese days
[19:31:13] <devdas> heh
[19:31:14] * vice-versa wonders if it's on a notebook too, using wireless
[19:31:24] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: only outlook? which port? do you see connects in logs?
[19:31:28] <Dominian> wtf..
[19:31:29] <sysmonk> vice-versa: :)
[19:31:33] <Dominian> wait wait wait
[19:31:36] <BuenGenio> no, thunderbird as well
[19:31:42] <Dominian> BuenGenio: What version of postfix is on that macos server?
[19:31:53] <Dominian> In my experience, postfix installations on MacOS servers are totally fucked.
[19:31:59] <BuenGenio> 2.5.1
[19:32:00] <Dominian> meaning they are configured really stupidly from the get go.
[19:32:17] <Dominian> Well, thats definitely recent.
[19:32:19] <BuenGenio> Dominian, ok, i'll keep that in mind! ^_%
[19:32:23] <Dominian> BuenGenio: Did this come preinstalled ordid you install it?
[19:32:29] <BuenGenio> i did
[19:32:41] <Dominian> What was installed on there before?
[19:32:54] <cpm> ime, OSX-server is meant to be used out of the box, in some  very very simple configurations. Note that all your changes will get overwritten by the administrative tools on a reboot.
[19:33:13] <kexman> hehe mac osx postfix on a wifi notebook :) that would be fun :) lol
[19:33:24] * rob0 uses cpm out of the box (and overwrites the changes)
[19:33:32] * cpm pouts
[19:34:11] <Dominian> BuenGenio: Going to need a snippest of logs.. I'd say.. from the connection attempt.. 20 lines up and 20lines past if you can.
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[19:34:26] <BuenGenio> kexman, i'd rather get a new 3G contract than try to set up wifi on a OSX on a laptop (i586)
[19:34:28] <BuenGenio> :)
[19:34:32] <sysmonk> Dominian: i am trying to ask him for logs for 20 minutes already
[19:34:50] <Dominian> sysmonk: I know
[19:34:55] <Dominian> sysmonk: I'm just backing you up :)
[19:34:56] <BuenGenio> Dominian, ok, just bear with me, i'll just set up verbose logging for remote incoming connections
[19:35:07] <sysmonk> hehe, take him over, he likes you more :P
[19:35:21] <Dominian> Don't need verbose logging
[19:35:29] <Dominian> the default logging enabled in postfix should be enough
[19:35:31] <BuenGenio> well it's good to know sysmonk is not that keen on vodka either! :)
[19:35:51] <Dominian> also you may want to pastebin: postconf -n
[19:35:55] <BuenGenio> Dominian, in that case, i don't even see the connections at the time i try to send from a local mail client
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[19:35:56] <sysmonk> BuenGenio: i always help for free, although i sometimes try to see if people are willing to pay for support
[19:36:07] <Dominian> BuenGenio: Then your mail clients aren't hitting the server
[19:36:16] <BuenGenio> sysmonk, some are, of course ;)
[19:36:17] <sysmonk> and i'm always glad to get something in return! :P ( i.e. a book, or a new house in hawaii)
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[19:36:27] <BuenGenio> except it doesn't have to be all cash all of the time
[19:36:28] <Dominian> or a Hummer H3 fully loaded.
[19:36:39] <sysmonk> or a new job...
[19:36:42] <BuenGenio> hahahaha!
[19:36:46] <BuenGenio> classic
[19:36:48] <sysmonk> i'm serious
[19:36:55] <sysmonk> about the job that is :P
[19:37:06] <BuenGenio> ok, let me just deal with the log, and we'll chat :)
[19:37:22] <vice-versa> kexman: ...on a tractor in a field with his vodka guzzling comrades and a goat in tow with a pringles can duct tapped to its head for wireless signal amplification
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[19:38:08] <kexman> who is that ? :)
[19:38:16] <kexman> BuenGenio: ?
[19:38:45] <vice-versa> yeah, on his mac
[19:38:54] <cpm> how does one guzzle a goat?
[19:38:57] <lunaphyte> a fully loaded hummer?  is that when you get oral sex from someone who's really drunk?
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[19:39:15] <vice-versa> cpm: got milk?
[19:39:18] <cpm> heh
[19:40:00] <vice-versa> lunaphyte: hummer would suggest otherwise
[19:40:23] <kexman> what does it mean to guzzle in the first place :) /me takes out his online dictionary
[19:40:34] <BuenGenio> ok
[19:40:41] <BuenGenio> i'm using maildrop for transport
[19:40:46] <BuenGenio> locallly
[19:40:55] <kexman> aa i know now
[19:41:22] <vice-versa> to drink greedily or continually
[19:42:48] <BuenGenio> relay=local, delay=0.19, delays=0.17/0.01/0/0.01, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Unable to create log file. )
[19:43:22] <BuenGenio> maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[19:43:23] <BuenGenio>   flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/bin/maildrop /etc/postfix/maildroprc ${nexthop} ${recipient}
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[19:45:29] <BuenGenio> maildrop is complainig about not being able to create a logfile - which is already created and chowned as vmail
[19:45:51] <devdas> rm it
[19:46:51] <BuenGenio> vice-versa, that was actually quite funny about the tractor
[19:47:07] <vice-versa> funny but true? ;)
[19:47:11] <BuenGenio> keep it up, and i might have a job for you at the barns when you decide you need a change
[19:47:25] <BuenGenio> ;)
[19:47:53] <vice-versa> interesting, do you have any sheep in them barns?
[19:48:30] <BuenGenio> unfortunately, but i have a friend in New Zealand who might be able to help you
[19:48:39] <BuenGenio> :P
[19:48:43] <vice-versa> hehe
[19:49:00] * BuenGenio takes no responsiblity for what the monkeys type on his keyboard
[19:49:05] <devdas> lol
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[19:50:01] <vice-versa> ohh, monkeys too, are you like a zoo or something?
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[19:50:21] * BuenGenio searches for his tranquilizer gun...
[19:50:32] * vice-versa runs
[19:59:00] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: it would?  why?
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[20:02:45] <vice-versa> meh, too lake for a punch line now
[20:02:53] <ffeynman> how do I properly add another domain (tld) to my postfix mail server? I use postfix.admin....
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[20:03:56] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: are you asking how to use postfix.admin?
[20:03:56] <puff> Hey... slightly off-topic, but nobody's awake on #spamassassin.  I have my system setup so postfix feeds incoming mail to spamasassin and clam-av. At first this worked very well, now hundreds of spams get through.  I haven't done any sa-learn stuff, not sure how it works and what I should do at this point.
[20:04:34] <ffeynman> lunaphyte_:  I think adding it there is easy... but what do I do about MX records etc :)
[20:04:51] <vice-versa> O.o
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[20:05:06] <lunaphyte_> you think it's different than the way you did the first domain?
[20:05:33] <ffeynman> lunaphyte_:  just asking :) I'm guessing I can just replicate all the records (including spf)...
[20:05:41] <devdas> puff: man sa-learn
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[20:06:12] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: perhaps.  or at least use them for reference.
[20:07:06] <ffeynman> lunaphyte_: ok. i have another quick one... one user on my domain cannot receive email. I get "X-Postfix; unknown user" message even though the mailbox exists... any ideas?
[20:07:41] <lunaphyte_> !logs
[20:07:41] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
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[20:07:51] <lunaphyte_> !helpme
[20:07:52] <knoba> lunaphyte_: Error: "helpme" is not a valid command.
[20:07:55] <lunaphyte_> er, what was it?
[20:08:20] <lunaphyte_> ah
[20:08:20] <vice-versa> "X-Postfix; unknown user" doesn't look very familiar, at least not to me
[20:08:25] <lunaphyte_> !showme
[20:08:26] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[20:08:42] <ffeynman> one sec...
[20:09:20] <tifflor> hi does someone know some way to fetch the e-mail addresses of bouncing e-mails and relay them to a commandline script?
[20:09:46] <puff> devdas: Yeah, I know sa-learn.  How do I use it on a system-wide install?
[20:10:17] <devdas> run it as the user sa is running as
[20:11:43] <ffeynman> is it OK if I just do a mass replace on my domain name/IP just so it's not out there?
[20:12:00] <vice-versa> !have2mung
[20:12:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "have2mung" : if you absolutely have to mung details try to do so in a minimal, consistent and meaningful way. Keep in mind that this is our first look at your particular configuration and or log details and we do not have the benefit you posses about your existing configuration.
[20:12:30] <ffeynman> you guys are awesome :) one sec!
[20:12:39] <Dominian> !sweet
[20:12:39] <knoba> Dominian: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[20:12:53] <Dominian> I've never seen X-Postfix
[20:13:10] <Dominian> Normally, in my experience, X-Anything is added by a client or script that's sending the email.. like X-Originator...
[20:13:35] <lunaphyte_> i think that should be munge, not mung.
[20:13:53] <ffeynman> OK. here is the output of that command above: http://pastebin.ca/1199164
[20:14:00] <vice-versa> !mung
[20:14:01] <knoba> vice-versa: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
[20:14:02] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: better yet, just leave it, because no one really gives a crap :)
[20:14:12] <ffeynman> ok :)
[20:14:16] <lunaphyte_> who made that acronym up!? :)
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[20:15:16] <vice-versa> Larry Wall
[20:15:21] <vice-versa> ;)
[20:15:26] <Dominian> !cpm
[20:15:27] <knoba> Dominian: "cpm" : an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers
[20:15:27] <lunaphyte_> i love the way the tops of these microwave pot pies cave in like a think layer of cooled lava under the feet of unwitting tourists!
[20:15:36] <lunaphyte_> larry wall my ass.
[20:15:52] <ffeynman> and here is the errors from the log file and when sending mail: http://pastebin.ca/1199167
[20:16:22] <lunaphyte_> i searched on google for larry wall mung, and it suggested "larry wall hung"
[20:16:42] <BuenGenio> Dominian, are you still around?
[20:17:06] <Dominian> sort of
[20:17:06] <BuenGenio> devdas, did you mean remove the maildrop log?
[20:17:07] <vice-versa> guess we can ask him, not sure you're his type though
[20:17:32] <BuenGenio> Dominian, so as i pasted above, mail is now being deferred, cos maildrop complains about not being able to create the log file
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[20:17:42] <BuenGenio> though it's created
[20:17:53] <Dominian> Sounds like permissions somewhere
[20:17:56] <Dominian> double-check your installation
[20:19:04] <BuenGenio> trying to
[20:19:15] <BuenGenio>  maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
[20:19:15] <BuenGenio> <BuenGenio>   flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/bin/maildrop /etc/postfix/maildroprc ${nexthop} ${recipient}
[20:19:25] <BuenGenio>  -rw-r----- 1 vmail    mail         682 2008-09-10 02:00 maildrop.log
[20:19:38] <Dominian> eh
[20:19:43] <Dominian> I'm at a loss.. I don't use maildrop
[20:20:24] <BuenGenio> ok cool
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[20:25:14] <ffeynman> anyone have any ideas? error: http://pastebin.ca/1199167   config: http://pastebin.ca/1199164
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[20:28:22] <lunaphyte_> i have an idea.
[20:28:32] <ffeynman> what? :)
[20:29:12] <lunaphyte_> read the log message you posted :)
[20:29:15] <lunaphyte_> *messages.
[20:29:32] <vice-versa> 'do not list domain mydomain.org in BOTH mydestination and virtual_mailbox_domains' stands out
[20:29:38] <ffeynman> ok
[20:29:42] <ffeynman> so how do I fix that one?
[20:29:49] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: you RUINED IT! :)
[20:29:59] <ffeynman> mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost, mx.mydomainname.org, mydomainname.org
[20:29:59] <ffeynman> myhostname = mx.mydomainname.org
[20:30:03] <vice-versa> hehe, stole your mouse did I?
[20:30:13] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: it's literally telling you *exactly* what to do...
[20:30:25] <vice-versa> !obvious
[20:30:25] <knoba> vice-versa: "obvious" : look for obvious signs of trouble, egrep '(warning|error|fatal|panic):' /some/log/file See: !logs factoid if you're unsure of where your mail logs are located
[20:30:36] <lunaphyte_> vice-versa: no, i wasn't gonna tell him right away, and see if he figured it out.
[20:30:58] <vice-versa> right, like a cat with a mouse ;)
[20:31:35] <lunaphyte_> oh, that kind of mouse :)
[20:31:49] <lunaphyte_> yes, indeed, you stole my mouse.
[20:31:56] <ffeynman> so, I have it in mydestination. how do I remove it from virtual_mailbox_domains ?
[20:31:58] <vice-versa> sorry :)
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[20:32:43] <lunaphyte_> eh, another one will come along.  i have snares set up all over.
[20:33:03] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: a better question might be "how did it get there?"
[20:33:09] <ffeynman> hahah :D
[20:33:11] <ffeynman> yep
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[20:33:41] <vice-versa> ffeynman: or do you know why you shouldn't
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[20:33:59] <vice-versa> !mydestination
[20:34:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[20:34:06] <ffeynman> vice-versa: I have no idea why I shouldn't :(
[20:34:15] <ffeynman> ok
[20:34:33] <ffeynman> so I guess I can remove it from mydestination
[20:34:52] <lunaphyte_> ffeynman: also - understand what that message is saying.  it isn't saying you should remove it from virtual_mailbox_domains - it's saying don't list it in both.
[20:34:57] <ffeynman> should I leave mydestination as ... mydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost
[20:35:08] <ffeynman> ok
[20:35:09] <lunaphyte_> you should do what is suitable for your goals.
[20:36:15] <vice-versa> ffeynman: local(8) and virtual(8) are two distinct delivery agents within postfix
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[20:36:42] <ffeynman> vice-versa: got it. how do I control/setup virtual ones?
[20:37:02] <lunaphyte_> !basic
[20:37:02] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[20:37:06] <lunaphyte_> !examples
[20:37:06] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "examples" : http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[20:37:09] <ffeynman> ok!
[20:37:15] <vice-versa> depends on your needs
[20:37:18] <vice-versa> !virtual
[20:37:19] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[20:37:43] <ffeynman> perfect
[20:37:46] <ffeynman> i'll give it a read
[20:37:53] <ffeynman> thanks
[20:38:32] <lunaphyte_> dammit vice-versa, stop being helpful.  people are gonna start to think we give a crap, and that's the last thing i need!
[20:38:34] <lunaphyte_> :p
[20:38:40] <vice-versa> np, after you read it if you need clarification on anything you read, feel free to ask
[20:38:44] <vice-versa> hehe
[20:38:53] <ffeynman> :)
[20:39:48] <sysmonk> i remember we had 'no help on fridays and weekends' policy on one channel :P
[20:40:22] <vice-versa> ffeynman: we tend to help those who at least try to help themselves first
[20:40:48] <ffeynman> vice-versa: oh, of course... believe me, I've been banging my head over this for hours
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[20:41:14] <sysmonk> ffeynman: that process should be repeated for 24 hours
[20:41:32] <sysmonk> on weekly basis...
[20:42:37] <vice-versa> sysmonk: because most we're inebriated on Fridays and weekends
[20:43:17] <vice-versa> then they introduced the !basuc factoid and all was well again
[20:43:20] <sysmonk> what fridays and weekends?
[20:43:23] <sysmonk> don't remember those!
[20:43:58] <lunaphyte_> that's weird - i was banging your mom for hours.
[20:44:00] <lunaphyte_> oh!
[20:44:53] <vice-versa> oh, and least we forget, the introduction of the !rootbeer factoid as well
[20:45:00] <lunaphyte_> !rootbeer
[20:45:01] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "rootbeer" : any popular domestic ale or lager consumed while logged into the super user account
[20:45:12] <lunaphyte_> bwa hah ha...  mur.
[20:46:23] * raz rubs his eyes
[20:47:13] <vice-versa> damn dude, you better see a doc about that, you've been doing that constantly for days now mate
[20:47:38] <sysmonk> haha
[20:47:39] <sysmonk> true
[20:47:45] <sysmonk> Lastlog:
[20:47:45] <sysmonk> 09-10 01:28:02  * raz rubs his eyes
[20:47:45] <sysmonk> 09-10 19:12:12  * raz rubs his eyes
[20:47:45] <sysmonk> 09-10 21:46:36  * raz rubs his eyes
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[20:53:54] <gamercod4> hi all
[20:54:08] * vice-versa hides
[20:54:21] <gamercod4> i've a problem , "warning: not owned by postfix:"
[20:54:33] <gamercod4> i've resolve my other problem vice-versa :)
[20:54:54] * vice-versa comes out of hiding
[20:55:00] <gamercod4> postfix say that on other directory of it ...
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[20:55:30] <gamercod4> on the other directory on /home/**** , but the directory of mail is /home/vmail/
[20:56:08] * vice-versa weighs his options, crystal ball of magic mx dust
[20:56:30] <gamercod4> ...
[20:56:41] <vice-versa> !vague
[20:56:42] <knoba> vice-versa: "vague" : Your question is very vague. Please try to describe the problem more precisely. See also: http://workaround.org/moin/GettingHelpOnIrc
[20:57:51] <gamercod4> the postconf -n : http://pastebin.com/m373cfa60 | the error log : http://pastebin.com/m33b47cdb
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[20:58:20] <gamercod4> my english is bad :/
[20:58:44] <gamercod4> i know this is a problem of "chown"
[20:59:27] <gamercod4> but postfix don't have acces to they're directory ...because my data path is /home/vmail/
[21:01:34] <gamercod4> do you understand my problem ?
[21:01:39] <lunaphyte_> knoba needs a magic 8 ball factoid, where each time you request it, it picks a different answer from magic 8 ball.
[21:02:37] <shasta> /home/vmail/ should be owned by vmail:vmail
[21:02:42] <shasta> erm
[21:02:50] <shasta> as long as vmail uid is 5000 and gid is 5000 ;)
[21:03:02] <BuenGenio> lunaphyte, question -> mod_proxy -> random() -> wikipedia -> display()
[21:03:09] <BuenGenio> :P
[21:03:44] <gamercod4> hum , i check shasta
[21:04:02] <BuenGenio> ok, while gamercod4 examines his permissions...
[21:04:12] <shasta> !virtual_uid_maps
[21:04:13] <knoba> shasta: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.
[21:04:18] <BuenGenio> now that SMTP is accepting connections - i need to tell it to deliver to the right inboxes
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[21:04:41] <BuenGenio> i have two accounts with 'eugene' in it - eugene.steelhead & eugene.byngsys
[21:05:03] <gamercod4> vmail:x:5000:5000::/home/vmail/:/bin/sh
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[21:05:18] <BuenGenio> however, sending an email at eugene at steelheadinvest dot com maildrop (or whatever) puts it into /home/eugene
[21:05:28] <BuenGenio> as opposed to /home/steelhead/homes/eugene
[21:05:36] <BuenGenio> anyone with an idea of why that is?
[21:06:09] <gamercod4> past your conf
[21:06:24] <gamercod4> you use postfixadmin ?
[21:07:07] <BuenGenio> gamercod4, are you using maildrop too?
[21:07:07] <gamercod4> shasta: i've the correct permissions and uid :(
[21:07:58] <BuenGenio> main.cf: http://pastebin.com/m75cd83e9
[21:09:34] <gamercod4> i don't use the maildrop and i start postfix ^^
[21:10:08] <BuenGenio> gamercod4, oh, i just saw you had a vmail user on your box...
[21:11:05] <vice-versa> gamercod4: why is postfix seeing files from what appears to be a website forum?
[21:11:28] <gamercod4> i don't know vice-versa , this is my problem ^^
[21:11:56] <gamercod4> virtual_mailbox_base = /home/vmail/
[21:12:28] <vice-versa> when are you seeing this postfix-script warning?
[21:12:53] <gamercod4> now , i've install postfix on a second machin
[21:13:21] <gamercod4> when i've install on the first machine, all are correct
[21:13:53] <gamercod4> but on the 2nd ??? i don't understand why postfix seeing on other directory
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[21:16:52] <vice-versa> I meant when does it occur, when you start postfix or when you're running some postfix administration routines? both? all the above?
[21:17:15] <gamercod4> when i've restart the postfix
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[21:19:49] <vice-versa> gamercod4: as root, what does this output, find / -type f -name topic_lock.gif
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[21:20:45] <gamercod4> this command output all the directory where are topic_lock.gif
[21:21:13] <vice-versa> can you pastebin the output please
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[21:21:56] <gamercod4> http://pastebin.com/m58ad163f
[21:22:19] <gamercod4> what for this command ,
[21:22:21] <gamercod4> ?
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[21:24:23] <vice-versa> to know exactly where '/./home/rrts/modules/Forum/images/topic_unlock.gif' from your pastebin is
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[21:25:42] <bda> Ahoy. Am I correct in thinking that Postfix does a RDNS lookup when a client connects even if you don't require RDNS?
[21:26:12] <bda> If so, is there a way to drop the DNS lookup timeout? I have clients with crap or twitchy DNS having issues getting a 250.
[21:26:20] <bda> (Or is this configured via the OS DNS resolver entirely?)
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[21:28:36] <shasta> 250 is a success code
[21:29:08] <bda> Sorry, 220. Not enough caff today. :)
[21:29:52] <shasta> same thing (-8
[21:29:59] <shasta> all 2xx codes are success
[21:30:12] <gamercod4> vice-versa: how i can repair this "bug" ?
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[21:30:18] <shasta> 4xx are transient errors; 5xx are permanent errors
[21:30:39] <bda> shasta: Right. When you make a new connection, you get a 220. Their client times out before getting a 220, because the RDNS lookup takes too long.
[21:32:13] <mattx86> has anyone else had problems with excite.com/bluetie.com lately?  I keep getting "server dropped connection without sending the initial SMTP greeting."
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[21:32:58] <bda> mattx86: Doing it here too, it seems.
[21:33:22] <mattx86> AFAICT, we're not on any blacklists
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[21:34:38] <vice-versa> gamercod4: not sure, that pastebin of errors, is that just a subset of the errors or is there more?
[21:35:32] <gamercod4> warning: data_directory: unknown parameter
[21:35:54] <gamercod4> and how i make the postfix check , i saw that
[21:36:39] <shasta> bda, postfix relies on system resolver in this case
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[21:37:24] <bda> shasta: Okay, thanks much. :)
[21:38:29] <gamercod4> is that the problem no vi	ce-versa? /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: data_directory: unknown parameter
[21:39:58] <vice-versa> gamercod4: postconf mail_version
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[21:41:29] <gamercod4> mail_version = 2.3.8
[21:41:44] <gamercod4> mwarf
[21:41:52] <gamercod4> i've not the latest version
[21:42:00] <mattx86> bda: FWIW, it looks like Sep 7 was the most recent time that excite.com/bluetie.com accepted an e-mail from us
[21:42:11] <vice-versa> data_directory is as far as I know >2.5 only
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[21:42:33] <gamercod4> ok ... ^^
[21:42:54] 
[21:42:54] <vice-versa> are you mixing and matching files from two different versions or something?
[21:43:07] <gamercod4> one on ubuntu 8.04 and one on Debian etch4
[21:43:23] <vice-versa> how ironic how that lined up ;)
[21:43:25] <gamercod4> and i don't see they're not the same version
[21:43:32] <gamercod4> :)
[21:43:48] <vice-versa> oh wait...
[21:44:05] <vice-versa> wtf is this, mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 91.121.168.112 *
[21:44:37] <vice-versa> take that asterisk out and try again
[21:45:15] <gamercod4> same error ..
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[21:46:38] <vice-versa> and your sure it's not saying the same for /home/cod2/ and /home/rfteam/
[21:46:58] <vice-versa> as in not just /home/rrts/
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[21:50:36] <gamercod4> yes , but this is not the problem ...
[21:51:10] <vice-versa> no, but it's still clues
[21:53:07] <vice-versa> and define 'sync the config', what did you do exactly?
[21:53:38] <gamercod4> i've sync all the directory /etc/postfix
[21:53:48] <gamercod4> and i've change the parameter
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[21:54:51] <vice-versa> are the postfix versions on both hosts the same, yes or no?
[21:55:33] 
[21:55:34] <gamercod4> :/
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[21:56:11] <vice-versa> well that's your problem
[21:56:28] <gamercod4> yes , i can update the version with the source code ?
[21:57:44] <vice-versa> you need to get post-install, postfix-files and postfix-script from the appropriate version in /etc/postfix
[21:58:18] <gamercod4> ok
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[22:01:06] <gamercod4> i've try that :)
[22:01:13] <gamercod4> postfix doesn't have error
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[22:02:39] <deftunix> hi all... what is the better method for integrating postfix with content checker tools?
[22:02:50] * sysmonk would offer amavisd
[22:02:52] <sysmonk> !amavis
[22:02:52] <knoba> sysmonk: "amavis" : a mail virus scanner. A content filter that scans all received mail for spam (using the built-in spamassassin) and viruses (using any external virus scanner). See: http://www.amavis.org/
[22:03:22] * vice-versa slaps gamercod4's wrist
[22:03:24] <vice-versa> don't do that again!
[22:03:35] <sysmonk> oh, or are you about before queue / after queue stuff?
[22:03:45] <gamercod4> ^^
[22:04:09] * sysmonk slaps gamercod4, just for fun
[22:04:13] <gamercod4> xD
[22:04:41] <mechtn> if i currently have postfix up and running with a domain - mail.example1.com and i want to add mail.test1.com to it then would i just add it to the mydestination line?
[22:05:11] <lunaphyte_> possibly.
[22:05:18] <sysmonk> mechtn: right. and create mx entries on the dns. and create users
[22:05:21] <vice-versa> seems to me I recall they changed the location of those files in recent versions because of others that have done this, so you're not alone gamercod4
[22:05:34] <sysmonk> vice-versa: what locations?
[22:05:38] <sysmonk> vice-versa: /me lazy to page-up
[22:05:47] <sysmonk> and also, don't forget, page-up is now patented by microsoft!
[22:05:50] <mechtn> my current mydestination looks like this.
[22:05:51] <mechtn> mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost
[22:06:02] <mechtn> mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost mail.test1.com
[22:06:11] <mechtn> would i just fix it like that?
[22:06:16] <vice-versa> sysmonk: post-install, postfix-files and postfix-script
[22:07:03] <vice-versa> and isn't both pg-up & pg-dn?
[22:07:18] <sysmonk> should be both
[22:07:52] <sysmonk> it's not that 'pg-up & pg-dn', it's "scrolling teh f*kin document 1 page forward or backward" or something like that
[22:08:00] <vice-versa> they really need to give the US patent system an overhaul imo
[22:08:51] <sysmonk> oh, we don't care, 85% lithuanian use pirated microsoft products at home
[22:09:02] <sysmonk> the other 15% just have an OEM license ;)
[22:09:03] <vice-versa> sysmonk: yeah i read that on /., didn't pay it much mind, the US patent system is wacked and or corrupt
[22:10:37] <mechtn> sysmonk, i'm using relay_receipients to deliver my email for my first domain... i want to continue using this but recieve email from a second domain...
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[22:11:02] <lunaphyte_> the uspto has, unfortunately, more or less gone the way of the union.
[22:11:03] <mechtn> sysmonk, how do i get the email from the 2nd domain not to be blocked by postfix and relay denied?
[22:11:49] <lunaphyte_> mechtn: get on your knees and beg.
[22:12:58] <mechtn> please please please... i adopted gentoo/postfix/amavisd back a couple of years ago into my network
[22:13:03] <mechtn> its worked so well i never touch it
[22:13:11] <mechtn> now i'm rusty on configuring it and never had a second domain before
[22:13:14] <mechtn> please help me
[22:13:17] <mechtn> i beg you!
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[22:16:13] <lennard> mechtn: a) you're not really stating what exactly your problem is, b) you're providing info that doesn't make sense, c) you're not reading the topic
[22:16:34] <sysmonk> should i point the d) ?
[22:16:42] <lennard> feel free
[22:16:47] <sysmonk> !sweet
[22:16:47] <knoba> sysmonk: "sweet" : http://sweet.nodns4.us/
[22:16:51] <sysmonk> that's d)
[22:16:58] <lennard> oh, right
[22:16:59] <lennard> good one
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[22:19:07] <mechtn> i'm sorry.. let me read up on the rules and rephrase my jibberish into a question :)
[22:20:49] <vice-versa> mechtn: and after you ponder on that for a while....
[22:20:52] <vice-versa> !showme
[22:20:52] <vice-versa> !relevant
[22:20:53] <knoba> vice-versa: "showme" : Please pastebin the output from, uname -a;postconf -h mail_owner mail_version;echo;postconf -n;echo;cat `postconf -h config_directory`/master.cf
[22:20:54] <knoba> vice-versa: "relevant" : Please pastebin the relevant mail log excerpts for your issue. See the !logs channel factoid if you do not know where your mail logs are located. See the !pastebin channel factoid if you do not know what a pastebin is.
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[22:23:40] <mechtn> =)
[22:27:16] <vice-versa> and ditto for...
[22:27:18] <vice-versa> !mung
[22:27:18] <vice-versa> !have2mung
[22:27:19] <knoba> vice-versa: "mung" : Mash Until No Good : the art of obfuscating data which ultimately results in unintentional consequences such as making diagnostics impossible.
[22:27:21] <knoba> vice-versa: "have2mung" : if you absolutely have to mung details, such as anonymizing domains, email and IP addresses etc., try to do so in a minimal, consistent and meaningful way. Keep in mind that this is our first look at your particular configuration and or log details and we do not have the benefit you posses about your existing configuration.
[22:28:49] <lennard> !factoid
[22:28:50] <knoba> lennard: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
[22:28:52] <lennard> tsk
[22:29:06] <lennard> how will one find out what a factoid is? :P
[22:29:18] <vice-versa> I'll fix that
[22:29:59] <vice-versa> !factoid
[22:30:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : This is a factoid
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[22:32:24] <progma> if i have mail for several subdomains that i want to go to separate local users, do i specify these in /etc/postfix/transport ?
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[22:32:42] <habnabit_> Will postfix queue IDs always be 11 characters?
[22:33:11] <vice-versa> good question
[22:33:50] <mechtn> !pastebin
[22:33:51] <knoba> mechtn: "pastebin" : a way to paste larger amounts of text so that other people can read it. Try http://www.rafb.net/paste/ or http://paste.debian.net/ - Do not forget to tell us the URL where you pasted it.
[22:34:14] <habnabit_> This is just for the sake of logging the queue ID in a database for some tracking information.
[22:34:28] <habnabit_> It's a VARCHAR(11) right now, but I was concerned if that would be enough.
[22:35:16] <mechtn> would anyone please care to look at http://rafb.net/p/1iNht965.html  -  it contains my config as well as the error message in mailq
[22:36:06] <mechtn> i've just added the rkrblaw.com to mydestination and now i'm seeing that email stuck in the mailq
[22:39:17] <vice-versa> !factoid
[22:39:18] <knoba> vice-versa: "factoid" : something resembling a fact; unverified and often invented information that is given credibility because it contains words that appear to be something you think you ought to know
[22:39:28] <vice-versa> hehe, i like that one much better
[22:40:41] <sysmonk> habnabit_: that's enough, atleast now :)
[22:40:48] <sysmonk> and atleast for postfix
[22:40:52] <habnabit_> Alright.
[22:41:00] <habnabit_> This is for a policyd, so it only works with postfix regardless.
[22:41:19] <mechtn> have i satisfied the required information to get help or am i still lacking?
[22:41:50] <vice-versa> you get two blue stars for your efforts
[22:42:04] <lunaphyte_> you must retrieve the dirty sneaker from atop of the seven-eleven sign.
[22:42:23] <vice-versa> and do you have any older sisters?
[22:42:32] <mechtn> only child.. :(
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[22:42:43] <sysmonk> mechtn: how old is she?
[22:42:51] <lunaphyte_> yeesh!
[22:42:56] <mechtn> I am an only child! lol
[22:43:04] <sysmonk> oh
[22:43:08] <sysmonk> i thought you have children :(
[22:43:11] <sysmonk> female children, even
[22:43:23] <mechtn> sick... your sick
[22:43:28] <lennard> mechtn: /etc/postfix/transport would probably help
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[22:43:43] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: please, spell out your pedophilic tendencies in glaring detail...
[22:43:57] <lennard> and perhaps whatever is in the syslogs about 8D73263106C
[22:43:58] <mechtn> please don't.  i do have kids..
[22:44:02] <sysmonk> mechtn: i find that some of people from freenode have daughters who are older than me
[22:44:52] <vice-versa> mechtn: oh boy, that was clearly a mistake
[22:44:54] <sysmonk> habnabit_: :)
[22:45:12] <sysmonk> vice-versa: :PPP
[22:45:13] <lennard> expect sysmonk at your front-door in 3...2....
[22:45:14] * habnabit_ goes to get lunch.
[22:45:26] <sysmonk> lennard: don't think that i'm SO unfast
[22:45:35] <lennard> that*
[22:46:01] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: say hi to chris hansen for me.
[22:46:18] <lennard> ugh
[22:46:23] <lennard> 22:45 and still at the office...
[22:46:24] <sysmonk> lunaphyte_: who's that? :)
[22:46:30] <lennard> guess its time for more beer
[22:46:47] <vice-versa> mechtn: you may have mentioned this, but did you recently change something with your config?
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[22:47:05] <lunaphyte_> sysmonk: oh, just someone you'll be chatting with after you get to the front door  :p
[22:47:14] <mechtn> i added the rkrblaw.com to mydestination...
[22:47:18] <sysmonk> ah
[22:47:29] <mechtn> i added it also to /etc/postfix/transport
[22:47:29] <mechtn> w00t i think i just got them
[22:47:30] <sysmonk> mechtn: so... how old is she?
[22:47:34] <mechtn> 4
[22:47:46] <sysmonk> mechtn: will you let me date ^W^W^W^W^W oh, 4....
[22:48:14] <mechtn> weee little baby :)
[22:48:27] <vice-versa> mechtn: you didn't remove, change or rename a content filter or anything right?
[22:48:31] <mechtn> nope
[22:48:34] <mechtn> i think i got it..
[22:48:38] <sysmonk> so, in 14 years
[22:48:44] <sysmonk> when i'll be 35
[22:48:47] <sysmonk> and she'll be 18...
[22:48:52] <mechtn> ok yup i did fix it
[22:48:55] <sysmonk> hmmm, mechtn, leave me your address
[22:49:02] <mechtn> lennard - you the man!
[22:49:09] <lennard> woohoo!
[22:49:20] <sysmonk> lennard: you're the woman!
[22:49:28] <mechtn> i just had to add the new domain to mydestination and then also to postfix/transport and postmap it
[22:49:30] <vice-versa> no worries there sysmonk, you'll be incarcerated long before that
[22:49:35] <lennard> sysmonk: fu :P
[22:49:39] <mechtn> then reload and now the new domain is making it to my exchange server
[22:49:55] <sysmonk> vice-versa: don't use such hard words :P
[22:49:57] <mechtn> all clean and spam free and virusless
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[22:51:52] <vice-versa> sysmonk: sorry, forgot about the language barrier, ...s/you'll be incarcerated/you're ass will be in the joint/
[22:52:18] <sysmonk> ah, you mean i'll be as old as you?
[22:52:19] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:52:50] <lennard> vice-versa: so you're a native speaker yet still type you're when you mean your?
[22:52:53] <lennard> sad :P
[22:53:32] <sysmonk> lennard: maybe he did mean you're? :)
[22:53:39] <sysmonk> you are ass. will be in the joint.
[22:53:40] <sysmonk> ;))
[22:53:57] <vice-versa> sysmonk: let's put it this way, with any luck, you'll be around long after I'm gone from this world
[22:54:01] <mechtn> he'll love the joint if he loves ass :)
[22:54:24] <vice-versa> lennard: yes, brain fart, I have many of those
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[23:00:18] <vice-versa> crickets
[23:00:45] <lennard> yup
[23:01:02] <lennard> making double money :P
[23:01:30] <lennard> working late because it disrupts the office-network, but involves a lot of waiting so I can do other paid work in between
[23:02:11] <sysmonk> oh sure, while [ 1; ] do cd /usr/src; make buildworld; make clean; done
[23:02:44] <sysmonk> echo "i'm having some major issues, you'll have to pay for me working-late at the office for 10 hours at the double rate" | mail boss
[23:03:44] <vice-versa> sure, someone has to watch the blinking lights
[23:03:59] <sysmonk> yup, that's a hard work
[23:04:03] <lennard> being a bad nerd though
[23:04:10] <lennard> the lights are on
[23:06:12] <vice-versa> mechtn: hmm
[23:06:14] <lennard> can anyone explain to me how 1+2*3-4/5 could ever come out as 4 for someone?
[23:06:29] <lennard> I have multiple students who seem to think that
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[23:07:22] <sysmonk> lennard: you're a teacher?
[23:07:22] <lennard> no wait, one thinks 4 and one thinks 8
[23:07:40] <lennard> student assistant
[23:07:47] <lennard> the student part meaning I'm a student myself
[23:07:51] <lennard> I think
[23:08:13] * sysmonk crawls his head
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[23:08:14] <lennard> or maybe it actually means I assist the students, but in that case I'd still be a student :P
[23:08:15] <sysmonk> i don't know.
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[23:08:42] <razym> did they all come to class stoned?
[23:08:43] <habnabit_> lennard: misunderstanding the order of operations?
[23:08:43] <lennard> s/crawls/scratches/
[23:08:45] <sysmonk> i'd understand if they'd get 1
[23:08:52] <vice-versa> mechtn: your mynetworks, do you really intend to give the 256 possible hosts on 72.4.47.0/24 relay access on your mta?
[23:08:56] <lennard> habnabit_: yeah... youd say that... but I don't see how :P
[23:08:57] <sysmonk> habnabit_: try to misunderstand that
[23:09:00] <razym> no matter the order, i think its hard to get 4
[23:09:13] <razym> yell at them, lennard
[23:09:18] <lennard> sysmonk: whats your native language anyway?
[23:09:19] <sysmonk> habnabit_: i tried to think of few ways how they could misunderstand that, but nothing get's to 4 or 8
[23:09:25] <lennard> razym: I wont see them untill monday :)
[23:09:31] <habnabit_> lennard: bizarre.
[23:09:33] <habnabit_> lennard: what class?
[23:09:33] <sysmonk> lennard: lithuanian
[23:09:35] <sysmonk> or polish
[23:09:43] <sysmonk> i'm not sure which one :)
[23:09:57] <lennard> habnabit_: 'math & progamming I' (at a dutch university)
[23:10:15] <lennard> so we're talking 18+ year olds with a quite good education here :P
[23:10:29] <habnabit_> Bad eyesight?
[23:10:39] <lennard> I don't have a clue
[23:10:49] <lennard> I'll ask them monday :P
[23:11:50] <sysmonk> lennard: are they females?
[23:12:05] <lennard> uhh
[23:12:24] <sysmonk> if not, then there might be some logical answer
[23:12:30] <lennard> most students are, but these ones are male/female and male/male (they work in couples, so I don't know which ones are stupid :P)
[23:12:33] <sysmonk> if they are - then don't even expect a logical answer
[23:13:04] <sysmonk> lennard: um, is that the whole thing they had to count?
[23:13:10] <sysmonk> or is it a part of something else?
[23:13:13] <vice-versa> I know why
[23:13:34] <lennard> sysmonk: its part of a set of assigments, but its not connected to anything else
[23:13:51] <lennard> just 'calculate the value of 1+2*3-4/5'
[23:13:57] <habnabit_> vice-versa: enlighten us.
[23:14:00] <sysmonk> lennard: um, which course/grade/year is that?
[23:14:01] <sysmonk> 1?
[23:14:03] <vice-versa> defective iPhone chipsets
[23:14:12] <lennard> first year of the university, yet
[23:14:14] <lennard> yes*
[23:14:22] <sysmonk> ah, ok then :)
[23:14:42] <lennard> still, they've been able to do this properly for about 10 years now
[23:15:01] <lennard> I'll just blame it on 'stupid mistake'
[23:15:03] <habnabit_> Not necessarily.
[23:15:22] <vice-versa> maybe they're actually testing you
[23:15:27] <habnabit_> There's people who managed to get through secondary school while being functionally illiterate.
[23:15:31] <lennard> yea, that must be it
[23:16:05] <lennard> I don't have a clue what secondary school translates to :P
[23:16:48] <sysmonk> lennard: the <18 age school
[23:16:58] <lennard> right
[23:17:16] <sysmonk> i know that from my own experience
[23:17:28] * sysmonk somehow got through
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[23:26:10] <vice-versa> you know, it's a lot like what I hear from several local employers about today's youth, they're inherently lazy, have extremely poor vocabulary and literary skills and come across as if everyone owes them something
[23:26:34] <sysmonk> vice-versa: ya talking about me??!!??!?!
[23:26:48] <vice-versa> sure ;)
[23:27:29] <sysmonk> damn, /me goes to change vice-versa factoid
[23:27:54] <lennard> vice-versa: what country is that?
[23:28:10] <vice-versa> Canada
[23:28:18] <lennard> although I'm pretty sure its a global/(maybe western?) problem
[23:29:49] <sysmonk> lennard: nah, it's global
[23:29:58] <sysmonk> atleast it's the same situation out here
[23:30:06] <vice-versa> some have noticed it's an ongoing trend and seems to be getting worse with every generation
[23:30:29] <lennard> so I don't get to blame the changes in Dutch education anymore?
[23:30:31] <lennard> well that sucks
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[23:31:35] <sysmonk> it's officially global
[23:31:45] <sysmonk> who is going to write the press release about that?
[23:32:16] <vice-versa> in talking about it, we had a pretty good theory on the 'everyone owes them something' part of it
[23:33:07] <pwe> hi, anyone who's good on improving speed when using postfix. is there any easy way to speed up the process when u wanna send around 30 emails afap
[23:33:10] <vice-versa> simply put, the're fucking spoiled, and it gets worse with every generation as each generation prospers
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[23:33:31] <lennard> ah, so we get to blame the economy going strong
[23:33:34] <lennard> works for me :P
[23:33:35] <sysmonk> vice-versa: right!
[23:33:43] <sysmonk> vice-versa: that's what my brother is like
[23:35:14] <vice-versa> the base of it appears to be well intentioned or perhaps even instinct, we want better for our offspring then we had it for ourselves
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[23:36:49] <sysmonk> vice-versa: so, now we need a solution
[23:36:59] <sysmonk> where did you say you had that bomb ?
[23:37:07] <seekwill> Hey hey hey
[23:37:10] <seekwill> Let's not talk about that
[23:37:23] <seekwill> Not over unsecured networks at least
[23:37:26] <vice-versa> naw, a good global depression will sort that mess out eventually
[23:37:41] * seekwill wonders what he jumped into
[23:37:57] <sysmonk> seekwill: oh, we need a secure one, like efnet!
[23:38:09] <seekwill> yeah
[23:38:25] <sysmonk> hm
[23:38:31] <sysmonk> by the way, i wonder how #postfix looks there
[23:38:38] <seekwill> Not as cool
[23:38:43] <lennard> way lame
[23:38:54] <sysmonk> 09-11 00:38:56 -!- Irssi: #postfix: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal]
[23:38:57] <sysmonk> niiiice
[23:38:58] <sysmonk> :)
[23:39:09] <seekwill> What network?
[23:39:12] <sysmonk> efnet
[23:39:27] <lennard> so what are we on again? freenode?
[23:39:32] <vice-versa> pwe: afap?
[23:39:39] <pwe> as fast as possible
[23:39:41] <sysmonk> vice-versa: a[SF]ap
[23:39:45] <vice-versa> as far as possible?
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[23:41:01] <vice-versa> !tune
[23:41:02] <knoba> vice-versa: Error: "tune" is not a valid command.
[23:41:08] <sysmonk> !tv_tuner
[23:41:09] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "tv_tuner" is not a valid command.
[23:41:10] <sysmonk> ;/
[23:42:01] <vice-versa> !tune
[23:42:02] <knoba> vice-versa: "tune" : Postfix performance tuning: See http://www.postfix.org/TUNING_README.html
[23:46:36] * vice-versa sighs
[23:47:16] <vice-versa> I feel like I haven't gotten jack accomplished today
[23:47:27] <sysmonk> !TUNING_README
[23:47:28] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "TUNING_README" is not a valid command.
[23:47:30] <sysmonk> :P
[23:47:35] <kexman> who is jack ?
[23:47:54] <vice-versa> as in jack all
[23:48:05] <kexman> stereo jack ? :)
[23:49:56] <lunaphyte> jack hoff.
[23:50:16] <vice-versa> meh, if nothing else I created a few (hopefully) useful #postfix factoids
[23:50:32] <lunaphyte> i say definitely add that to your resume.
[23:50:47] <sysmonk> hehe
[23:51:17] <sysmonk> yeah, i liked the part on f3ew's resume abuot being an op @ freenode #postfix
[23:51:17] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:54:21] <kexman> hehehe
[23:54:22] <kexman> lol
[23:54:30] <kexman> he really wrote that into his resume ? :)
[23:54:37] <kexman> well not that it isnt a GREAT thing
[23:54:43] <kexman> great achivement
[23:55:04] <kexman> do any of you guys use ldap for anything ?
[23:55:36] <sysmonk> a bit, but i'll be trying to do a ldap based project this year to get ldap better
[23:56:29] <kexman> i never used it
[23:56:35] <kexman> what would one use ldap for ?
[23:56:40] <kexman> mail , samba ?
[23:56:46] <habnabit_> Being an op on any freenode channel probably demonstrates that you know a goddamn lot about something.
[23:57:00] <habnabit_> Well. Any respectable freenode channel.
[23:57:07] <kexman> habnabit_: yip
[23:57:16] <lunaphyte> more like what wouldn't one use ldap for?
[23:57:19] <sysmonk> habnabit_: sadly, but in my country nobody knows what the hell is freenode
[23:57:21] <kexman> or you know goddamn lot about alot of alot of alots :)
[23:57:27] <kexman> lol
[23:57:31] <kexman> sysmonk: which would that be ?
[23:57:35] <sysmonk> kexman: lithuania
[23:57:42] <vice-versa> lunaphyte: fortunately I'll never have the need to submit a resume
[23:57:45] <kexman> thats not to far from here :)
[23:57:56] <kexman> vice-versa: owning a company ?
[23:57:59] <sysmonk> vice-versa: i've been asked to send my resume to one company
[23:58:07] <sysmonk> so i had to make one this week
[23:58:31] <sysmonk> i'm seeking for a new job, but nobody wants me :(
[23:58:37] <vice-versa> kexman: partner
[23:58:47] <sysmonk> vice-versa: good for you ;(
[23:58:53] <sysmonk> kexman: where are you from?
[23:59:57] <sysmonk> *Everybody shuts up after my words about nobody wanting me*





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