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[00:10:44] <higuita> ****  Beginning of log  2004 Nov 07 17:24:31  ****
[00:10:54] <higuita> sysmonk: weak!! ;)
[00:11:35] <sysmonk> higuita: that's when i've 'moved my ass' to freenode
[00:11:40] <sysmonk> (the 2006)
[00:11:51] <sysmonk> didn't use freenode before that
[00:12:11] <rob0> You have a donkey here?
[00:14:12] 
[00:14:50] <seekwill> yeeehawww
[00:15:09] <DarienWork> speaking of logging, does anyone have a specific CustomLog format that they like?
[00:15:23] <DarienWork> I'm making one tab-delimited, but I dunno if anyone else has done a nice one yet
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[00:18:35] <higuita> i use postfix along before that, but only at that time i restarted to use IRC (and other IMs)
[00:18:37] <higuita> 2004 Nov 14 18:42:37  --> rob0 (~robzero at pcp04527896pcs dot flrnc01.al.comcast.net) has joined #postfix
[00:18:39] <higuita> hehehehe
[00:21:35] <rob0> wow
[00:22:40] <higuita> sysmonk: 1.2G ?! tip: bzip2 * that, no need to store uncompressed logs that old :)
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[00:23:16] <rob0> I'm not familiar with "CustomLog format" in the context of Postfix.
[00:23:26] <sysmonk> higuita: thought about bzipping before
[00:23:32] <sysmonk> higuita: but i like my grep's going fast :)
[00:23:44] <sysmonk> higuita: and i do have some space left here
[00:24:05] <rob0> sounds apache or asterisky
[00:24:48] <sysmonk> or proftpdish
[00:25:41] <higuita>  bzgrep  sysmonk ~/.weechat/logs/*.bz2
[00:25:54] <higuita> you can also search bzip2ed
[00:26:59] <rob0> oooooh I think he was talking about IRC logs, right DarienWork?
[00:27:07] <DarienWork> I was talking about apache logs
[00:27:12] <rob0> ah
[00:27:18] <DarienWork> in the wrong channel
[00:27:22] <DarienWork> apologies :D
[00:27:22] <rob0> :)
[00:30:43] <sysmonk> higuita: i said FAST search
[00:30:56] <sysmonk> i know that i can zgrep / bzgrep
[00:31:51] <higuita> hey, its fast on my system :)
[00:32:19] <higuita> i also search then about 2 time/year, so a few seconds doesnt matter
[00:32:25] <sysmonk> maybe it'll be fast on this system too, but i'm not used to fast [bz]grep's
[00:32:38] <DarienWork> if you're not using regular expressions, make sure to tell grep that
[00:32:39] <higuita> but if you want faster search, use gzip instead of bzip2 :)
[00:32:42] <DarienWork> it'll be a hell of a lot faster
[00:33:01] <DarienWork> if you want smaller files, use lzma ;)
[00:33:27] <sysmonk> higuita: thank you for all this useful information, i wouldn't know it even if i'm runing centralized log servers
[00:33:32] <sysmonk> ;)
[00:33:38] <higuita> yep, i use fgrep on the postfix logs all the time... using grep takes the double of the time
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[00:36:51] <higuita> sysmonk: hehehe, hey, no problem, i'm here to help ;)
[00:37:02] <sysmonk> ;P
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[01:21:43] <googlah> nighty
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[02:47:15] <echelon> lol, i feel like an ass.. i kept verizon tech support on the line for like 3 hours, telling them they were blocking port 25
[02:47:19] <echelon> inbound
[02:47:40] <echelon> and they kept saying they don't do any port blocking on business lines
[02:48:00] <echelon> then i find out my home isp blocks port 25 outbound
[02:48:08] <Motoko-chan> They don't do much on home ones either in my area.
[02:48:16] <Motoko-chan> Nice.
[02:48:22] <Motoko-chan> Most home ISPs do that.
[02:48:33] <echelon> then i pretended they fixed the problem lol
[02:48:49] <echelon> "hey, it's working now.. what did you do?"
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[02:58:53] <lunaphyte> fantastic.  now all you've done is managed to draw attention to yourself.  :)
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[04:03:52] <Blackknight> hello
[04:04:09] <Blackknight> does anybody know why postmap won't create db files?
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[04:07:13] <lunaphyte> it doesn't like you?
[04:08:44] <Blackknight> I ran postmap /etc/postfix/virtual
[04:08:56] <Blackknight> the virtual.db file never gets created
[04:09:45] <lunaphyte> find / -iname "*virtual.db*"
[04:11:26] <Blackknight> lwp_sigmask(SIG_SETMASK, 0x00000000, 0x00000000) = 0xFFBFFEFF [0x0000FFFF]
[04:11:26] <Blackknight> close(5)                                        = 0
[04:11:26] <Blackknight> _exit(0)
[04:11:31] <Blackknight> that's all truss shows
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[04:11:46] <lunaphyte> run postmap verbosely
[04:12:15] <Blackknight> postmap: inet_addr_local: configured 2 IPv4 addresses
[04:12:15] <Blackknight> postmap: open dbm /etc/postfix/virtual
[04:12:18] <Blackknight> that's it
[04:12:52] <lunaphyte> add some more vs
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[04:13:37] <Blackknight> postmap: dict_update: process_id = 4360
[04:13:37] <Blackknight> postmap: open dbm /etc/postfix/virtual
[04:13:37] <Blackknight> postmap: vstream_buf_get_ready: fd 5 got 72
[04:15:34] <lunaphyte> touch test && postmap test
[04:17:13] <Blackknight> does the same thing
[04:18:00] <Blackknight> are those supposed to be 0 bytes?
[04:18:54] <lunaphyte> i've never seen postmap generate files like that.
[04:19:11] <lunaphyte> what does postconf -m say?
[04:19:20] <lunaphyte> what os is this?  what version of postfix?
[04:19:30] <lunaphyte> something seems borked.
[04:19:35] <Blackknight> this is on Nexenta Core
[04:19:44] <Blackknight> SunOS nexenta 5.11 NexentaOS_20080312 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[04:20:02] <Blackknight> maybe I should compile from source
[04:20:46] <Blackknight> postconf shows hash supported
[04:21:13] <lunaphyte> something tells me bdb isn't quite right on that computer.
[04:22:20] <Blackknight> yeah
[04:22:25] <Blackknight> I've had other issues with it
[04:22:46] <Blackknight> perl modules not building, etc.
[04:35:09] <Blackknight> yeah, something is hosed
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[04:52:07] <Blackknight> there's no make uninstall?
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[05:03:00] <Haris1> !mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps
[05:03:01] <knoba> Haris1: Error: "mysql_virtual_mailbox_maps" is not a valid command.
[05:03:02] <Haris1> oops
[05:03:05] <Haris1> !virtual_mailbox_maps
[05:03:05] <knoba> Haris1: "virtual_mailbox_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with all valid addresses in the domains that match $virtual_mailbox_domains.
[05:03:33] <Haris1> I have a problem with this keyword
[05:03:46] <Haris1> This keyword should show postfix locally hosted email accounts, right
[05:03:51] <Haris1> virtually hosted
[05:04:04] <Haris1> Now, when I add the following;
[05:04:04] <Haris1> where_field = username
[05:04:04] <Haris1> additional_conditions = and active = '1'
[05:04:20] <Haris1> shouldn't it not see any locally hosted accounts that have been disabled?
[05:04:26] <Haris1> or in other words de-activated
[05:07:06] <Haris1> ?
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[07:32:05] <Haris1> fixed it
[07:32:10] <Haris1> damned stupid small mistakes
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[08:38:24] <kexman> hi
[08:38:37] <kexman> im looking to make a very reliable and secure postfix setup
[08:39:24] <kexman> and i was told that i need "not remembering anymore what" to have a setup that will work with almost any MTA. so i dont get on no spam list and my mail gets to its destination
[08:39:28] <kexman> is that DomainKeys ?
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[08:51:21] <sysmonk> f3ew: i've seen you have some problems with yar pistfox
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[09:03:20] <f3ew> Two very specific boxes
[09:03:32] <f3ew> they handle a bit more mail than the normal setups
[09:03:42] <f3ew> kexman, no such thing
[09:03:55] <f3ew> DKIM, SPF, stuff
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[09:15:53] <kexman> f3ew: no such thing as what ?
[09:16:20] <kexman> all i need is a valid mx record for that domain ?
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[09:17:47] <mrglinux> how to disable Postfix TLS Support
[09:18:19] <kexman> disable ?
[09:18:26] <kexman> why would you wanna do that ?
[09:19:36] <mrglinux> ?kexman this is enable on my server and I can't access to my mail account here http://www.isp-control.net/forum/email-account-doesnt-work-(not-login-anywhere)-t-4212-2.html#pid35651  and I want to disable it .. but I don't know
[09:20:02] * mrglinux is googleing
[09:21:04] <mrglinux> in mail.err  I get fatal: No server certs available. TLS can't be enabled
[09:21:05] <f3ew> mrglinux postconf | grep tls
[09:21:18] <f3ew> smtpd_tls_enable = no IIRC
[09:21:19] <mrglinux> ok
[09:21:35] <f3ew> kexman, there are no guarantees that your mail will not be blacklisted
[09:22:24] <kexman> f3ew: hmm no ?
[09:22:41] <kexman> f3ew: but there still are some thing that one can do to prevent it somehow ?
[09:22:47] <kexman> or add some layers of protection
[09:23:31] <f3ew> kexman, get a host in IP space with a good reputation, keep working at it
[09:23:35] <kexman> mrglinux: well make some certificates :)
[09:23:43] <f3ew> possibly enable DKIM
[09:24:47] <mrglinux> ?kexman im newbie in postfix
[09:25:12] <f3ew> smtpd_tls_enable = no <=== mrglinux
[09:26:30] <mrglinux> ?f3ew: I can't find that see http://phpfi.com/351666
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[09:28:40] <mrglinux> its binary file how to edit
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[09:29:37] <ultrav1olet> I have a non trivial task: We have a number of e-mail addresses (in fact they are aliases - but I don't think it's important) - and I need these emails to be only available for some certain senders (a list of e-mail addresses). How can I do that?
[09:30:51] <kexman> DKIM ? what is that ?
[09:31:06] <kexman> mrglinux: add it :) add that to main.cf
[09:31:16] <mrglinux> okk
[09:31:21] <kexman> mrglinux: yep your so right :) im a very very very newbie in postfix :P
[09:31:23] <ultrav1olet> What is DKIM?
[09:31:30] <kexman> asking that myself :)
[09:31:38] <kexman> http://www.dkim.org/
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[09:32:06] <ultrav1olet> it looks like you are talking to each other ... for a second I thought kexman answered my questions. Naive ;-)
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[09:33:09] <ultrav1olet> so, anyone?
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[09:34:32] <f3ew> ultrav1olet see the http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html
[09:34:38] <mrglinux> ?kexman :-D if I disable it my POP3-SSL  service will be down ?
[09:35:09] <ultrav1olet> f3ew: thanks, I'll take a look on that
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[09:36:56] <f3ew> no
[09:40:21] <mrglinux> I don't think so it's disabled yet I add that option to main.cf and restart postfix service
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[09:47:07] <f3ew> smtpd_use_tls = no
[09:47:08] <f3ew> Sorry
[09:47:15] <f3ew> not enable
[09:48:00] <mrglinux> ? f3ew: ths config file for that is /etc/postfix/main.cf ?
[09:48:24] <mrglinux> and what's this /usr/share/postfix/main.cf.tls ?
[09:49:30] <f3ew> mrglinux yes, dn't know
[09:49:34] <f3ew> don't
[09:49:41] <mrglinux> ok
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[10:15:07] <weedar> I get errors like this "Illegal address syntax from unknown[*****] in RCPT command: <'email'>"
[10:15:30] <weedar> Can I make postfix accept emails in the <'email'> and 'email' format?
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[10:18:49] <Roobarb> weedar: why would you want to ?
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[10:19:51] <weedar> Roobarb: Why not? Also, I think some (Outlook?) email clients might send emails in this format when sending from contact lists
[10:21:04] <Roobarb> weedar: if I'm reading RFC2821 correctly, those aren't valid addresses
[10:21:31] <adnc> sysmonk: i've news from microsoft
[10:21:33] <weedar> Roobarb: of course, but that isn't really something I think our customers will accept :-)
[10:21:47] <sysmonk> they modified their PRNG?
[10:22:11] <weedar> In a perfect world we'd all follow RFCs and spam would not exist, but alas that is not the case
[10:22:27] <adnc> they didnt tell me what they really did, but they said that they put there configuration into a temporary mitigation
[10:22:30] <Roobarb> weedar: can you paste logs showinf postfix rejecting one of these addresses?
[10:22:31] <adnc> which did solve the problem
[10:23:03] <sysmonk> so, they did improve their PRNG
[10:23:03] <sysmonk> ;P
[10:23:04] <adnc> whatever mitigation means, they say that it will take 24-48 hours in which there server will learn
[10:23:14] <adnc> sysmonk what do you mean with prng?
[10:23:18] <Roobarb> weedar: I've never seen something as basic as an email address be created in an invalid way by the worlds most popular email client
[10:23:25] <sysmonk> pseudo random number generator
[10:23:27] <sysmonk> PRNG
[10:23:28] <sysmonk> :)
[10:23:32] <adnc> ahhh
[10:23:33] <adnc> heheh
[10:23:34] <adnc> lol
[10:23:37] <adnc> sysmonk: yes
[10:23:37] <Roobarb> s/pseudo/possibly
[10:23:41] <Roobarb> *fixed
[10:24:05] <adnc> but i dont know what happens after this mitigation times
[10:24:35] <adnc> also the word mitigation is new to me
[10:24:53] <sysmonk> adnc: they hire 1 million chineese people and tell all of them to think about a number between 1 and 3
[10:24:59] <sysmonk> then they note the numbers
[10:25:02] <sysmonk> and vualla!
[10:26:12] <weedar> Roobarb: All I'm really getting are errors like the one I wrote earlier - all I could give you would be a similar line but with the IP-address of the user and the complete recipient address enclosed in ' '
[10:26:53] <sysmonk> weedar: '' isn't allowed in emails
[10:27:53] <weedar> sysmonk: I know, but in this case the user sent an email to several recipients and he seems to have been able to send emails to other recipients without the ''-characters so I'm thinking there must be something in his email-client causing some of the addresses to be enclosed in ''
[10:28:08] <Roobarb> fix his email client then
[10:28:13] <weedar> :P
[10:28:18] <Roobarb> you think I'm joking
[10:28:23] <weedar> I was
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[10:29:39] <weedar> I understand you don't want me to configure Postfix to work in a non-standard way, but is this not a common problem?
[10:29:43] <sysmonk> all i can offer is turning off strict_rfc821_envelopes
[10:29:46] <sysmonk> but it's off by default
[10:29:53] <sysmonk> weedar: no it's not
[10:30:04] <Roobarb> weedar: first time I've ever head this complaint, and I've been running mail servers for years
[10:30:37] <sysmonk> if i'll send email to blah'2! at @@@@@dot dot com - where should postfix deliver it?
[10:30:52] <micmac> hello, i have a problem with postfix or my system i don't really know : when i send an email to a domain on this system, i get a returned email saying that the host can't be found. it uses the wrong hostname i can't see why
[10:30:52] <weedar> I've used Exim in the past and never seen this error, I've only recently been assigned to Postfix-servers - I just assumed Postfix was stricter about things like this
[10:31:27] <sysmonk> micmac: bad mx records?
[10:31:44] <sysmonk> micmac: /topic about the logs and etc
[10:31:55] <micmac> sysmonk: it's supposed to be ok, but let's check
[10:31:57] <weedar> sysmonk: I belive the correct way would be to only accept apostrophes when they occur as the first and last character in the email-address
[10:32:21] <sysmonk> weedar: emails should be 'quoted' in <>
[10:32:24] <sysmonk> i.e. <weedar at blah dot com>
[10:32:28] <sysmonk> not 'weedar at blah dot com'
[10:32:35] <f3ew> weedar, you have to quote the ''
[10:32:35] <sysmonk> don't start your own RFC
[10:32:46] <f3ew> Also, the user's addressbook contains the '
[10:32:50] <f3ew> Fix those
[10:32:54] <Roobarb> then outlook is buggy
[10:32:59] <weedar> Exactly
[10:33:57] <weedar> But I see your point guys, I'll just let the customer know his addressbook is buggy
[10:34:01] <Roobarb> so fix whatever rubbish the user has in their address book
[10:34:03] <weedar> Thanks for all of your input :-)
[10:34:14] <sysmonk> hey, i just wrote my own MTA/MUA which quotes the emails with ~~~~f3ew~~~~~ ( i.e. ~~~~f3ew~~~~~sysmonk at domain dot com~~~~f3ew~~~~~ )
[10:34:21] <sysmonk> why postfix doesn't accept that?!
[10:34:21] <sysmonk> ;)
[10:34:46] <Roobarb> patch the source ;)
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[10:35:00] * weedar accepts ridicule as punishment for trying to break RFC-compliance
[10:35:03] <sysmonk> yeah, going to! but i don't think Wietse will want to include those
[10:35:27] <sysmonk> weedar: nah, i'm just hungry :)
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[10:44:21] <adnc> does someone know what SenderScoreCertified service is?
[10:44:42] <f3ew> senderscore.org
[10:45:03] <adnc> no senderscorecertified.com
[10:46:41] <micmac> sysmonk: i checked the mx record, and it is ok (right host). here is my postconf -n output: http://pastebin.com/d52b963fb
[10:47:08] <micmac> postfix tries to send to an host called "dedibox-hostname"
[10:47:17] <micmac> i even tried to put an alias for this hostname
[10:47:31] <micmac> but i always have a returned email saying it can't find this host
[10:48:33] <sysmonk> i NEED the logs
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[10:48:52] <micmac> too? ok lets paste them
[10:48:59] <sysmonk> pastebin, not paste :P
[10:49:04] <sysmonk> and not 'too', but 'in the first place' :)
[10:49:36] <micmac> which log ?
[10:49:42] <micmac> i don't have a specific log for postfix
[10:49:50] <sysmonk> you should ...
[10:49:52] <micmac> it's more like system wide log for email
[10:49:54] <sysmonk> postfix logs to syslog
[10:50:01] <sysmonk> syslog logs to /var/log/maillog by default
[10:50:03] <micmac> ok i'll grep those entries then
[10:50:08] <sysmonk> or some other strange place depending on your distro
[10:50:12] <micmac> hm
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[10:52:39] <micmac> "Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved"
[10:52:43] <micmac> very convenient
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[10:55:36] <micmac> i cant paste the log, the antispam on pastebin don't want it
[10:57:27] <sysmonk> try to paste smaller part of the log
[10:57:33] <sysmonk> i.e. 20 lines
[10:57:46] <micmac> ok
[10:58:31] <Roobarb> or use a different pastebin
[10:58:45] <micmac> i tried code.bulix.org
[10:58:47] <micmac> same
[10:59:20] <sysmonk> don't you people have web servers?
[11:00:17] <micmac> too lazy to set up a page or something :p
[11:00:23] <micmac> ok i found a pastebin that works
[11:00:32] <micmac> http://pastebin.funraill.org/b504913d8beed73f4702546a5bbc9403/
[11:00:54] <micmac> here are postfix's entries in syslog
[11:01:23] <micmac> if you want I could activate a separate log for postfix
[11:01:28] <sysmonk> k, so which mail are we talking about?
[11:01:43] <sysmonk> micmac: that's all just postfix
[11:01:54] <micmac> yeah
[11:01:58] <micmac> postfix in sysklog
[11:02:04] <micmac> syslog
[11:02:11] <sysmonk> micmac: which mail are we talking about?
[11:02:14] <sysmonk> what recipient or whatever
[11:02:16] <micmac> so
[11:02:28] <micmac> micmac at packweb2 dot com
[11:02:50] <sysmonk> i don't see this recipient in that log
[11:02:51] <micmac> the user is created, homedir ok, the domain works too
[11:03:15] <micmac> the firewall port is opened
[11:03:39] <sysmonk> try reading my questions please
[11:03:44] <micmac> sorry
[11:03:49] <sysmonk> i don't see that recipient in the log you pastebined
[11:04:11] <micmac> yeah i tried to send yesterday sorry
[11:04:29] <micmac> so i'll try again and pastebin the relevant lines in syslog
[11:04:35] <sysmonk> ok
[11:04:46] <sysmonk> just be fast, i'm hungry and mad ;P
[11:05:00] <micmac> ok :)
[11:05:11] <micmac> thx
[11:05:39] <sysmonk> don't thank me, pay me :P
[11:05:44] <sysmonk> hehe :P
[11:05:48] * vice-versa yawns
[11:06:57] <micmac> http://pastebin.com/m679512e8
[11:07:21] <micmac> sysmonk: err yeah.. i was more asking for your kind helping ^^
[11:07:41] <sysmonk> micmac: grep 10EE94BA140
[11:07:53] <micmac> ok
[11:08:51] <robtone_> WAH
[11:08:59] <robtone_> UTF as SMTP encryption
[11:08:59] <micmac> ttp://pastebin.com/d2d418c24
[11:09:17] * robtone_ cries
[11:09:26] <sysmonk> micmac: any more log entries later?
[11:09:33] <micmac> nope
[11:09:38] <micmac> lemme see
[11:09:44] <sysmonk> not with this queue id
[11:09:48] <sysmonk> as it delivered to procmail
[11:09:53] <sysmonk> everything else is procmails stuff
[11:10:05] * sysmonk doesn't use procmail, so i won't be able to help with that
[11:10:14] <sysmonk> maybe somebody else here uses procmail and can help
[11:10:22] <micmac> ok so there may be something with procmail
[11:10:48] <micmac> i'll try to see if it does the job
[11:10:54] <micmac> thanks for helping!
[11:10:54] <sysmonk> micmac: did you get a bounce this time?
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[11:11:08] <robtone_> s/encryption/encoding/
[11:11:32] <micmac> sysmonk: a what ?
[11:11:36] <sysmonk> a BOUNCE
[11:11:41] <sysmonk> 'not delivered' blah blah
[11:11:45] <micmac> oh
[11:12:00] <micmac> hey not this time
[11:12:15] <sysmonk> then maybe there were some changes with your dns yesterday
[11:12:37] <micmac> ok
[11:12:45] <sysmonk> ummm
[11:12:45] <sysmonk> packweb2.com.		10800	IN	MX	0 06.webamine.fr.
[11:13:03] <sysmonk> afair 0-weight MX'es aren't allowed
[11:13:15] <kexman> anyone using postfix with mysql backend ?
[11:13:29] <robtone_> http://www.heise.de/netze/rfc/rfcs/rfc5336.shtml
[11:13:30] <micmac> sysmonk: 0 weight ?
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[11:13:40] * robtone_ does want a new job
[11:13:52] <sysmonk> micmac: yes, 0 weight
[11:13:59] <sysmonk> packweb2.com IN MX 0 server.cm
[11:14:04] <sysmonk> it should be > 0
[11:14:07] <vice-versa> weightless
[11:14:11] <micmac> sysmonk: so i should check dns, ok !
[11:14:16] <sysmonk> robtone_: suxorz
[11:14:47] <robtone_> sysmonk, this doesn't only suck, this swallows
[11:14:57] * vice-versa sprinkles magic mx dust about
[11:14:59] <sysmonk> robtone_: you'll do all the swallowing
[11:15:05] <robtone_> yikes.
[11:15:22] <sysmonk> Authors' Addresses
[11:15:22] <sysmonk> Jiankang YAO (editor)
[11:15:28] <sysmonk> Wei MAO (editor)
[11:15:30] <sysmonk> right...
[11:15:34] <sysmonk> who else would want that kind of shit
[11:15:36] <robtone_> ....
[11:15:36] <sysmonk> ;/
[11:16:03] <sysmonk> now, think of all those regexpes you'll have to rewrite
[11:16:12] <sysmonk> for email validation checking
[11:16:15] <sysmonk> wee....
[11:16:24] <robtone_> not only this
[11:16:27] <sysmonk> yeah
[11:16:29] <sysmonk> all the smtp stuff ;/
[11:16:41] <sysmonk> MUA's and mta's ant other
[11:16:44] <robtone_> all the stuff for MTAs which dont want to implement utf8smtp
[11:17:03] <sysmonk> robtone_: that expends to one word - 'all' :)
[11:17:03] <robtone_> BUT
[11:17:10] <robtone_> you can now more easyl block spam
[11:17:19] <robtone_> simply block everything requesting utf8smtp
[11:17:19] <sysmonk> ohhhh realllly?
[11:17:25] <sysmonk> nah
[11:17:34] <sysmonk> i think spammers will have some time updating their shit too
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[11:22:55] * robtone_ votes for internationalized phone-numbering shemes
[11:23:10] <robtone_> 0-9 ain't good enough
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[11:25:09] <robtone_> the funny thing is, that it will be funny when a chinese people tell their e-mail address to ascii people
[11:25:42] <robtone_> "sorry, don't have that character on my keyboard, whats your alt-addess?" - "my what?!"
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[11:27:25] <sysmonk> robtone_: oh, just pres ALT and 1231231 123  12838 11 1 2 2 1 1 2 2 123 1 3  3 1113 222 1 313 123123 12313 1231 1231 33 3 31313 333124 15155 1134 @hotmail.com
[11:27:28] <sysmonk> ;)
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[11:34:03] <micmac> sysmonk: it works at last :)
[11:34:20] <sysmonk> what was the problem? procmail?
[11:34:26] <micmac> sysmonk: i fixed some variables in procmail, setted the dns weight correctly
[11:34:38] <micmac> but it was procmail in the first place yes
[11:34:57] <micmac> i do have other servers with 0 weight, they work though
[11:35:03] <micmac> but I'll change them
[11:35:12] <sysmonk> micmac: having 0-weight mx'es isn't good
[11:35:27] <micmac> ok
[11:35:46] <micmac> thanks for helping
[11:35:53] <sysmonk> although it might be my imagination :P
[11:36:10] <sysmonk> A record is the 0 weight mx afair
[11:36:36] <sysmonk> so don't know how servers deliver when there's 0 weight mx and A entries for the domain
[11:37:32] <micmac> i'll change them then, it won't hurt at least :p
[11:38:14] <f3ew> sysmonk MX will always take precedence
[11:38:31] <sysmonk> f3ew: in non-broken smtp servers
[11:38:32] <sysmonk> ;)
[11:40:46] <shasta> even if there MX 12345 a.b.c., it takes precedence
[11:41:11] <shasta> delivery to A record is tried only if there's no MX
[11:41:12] <sysmonk> shasta: i'm talking about MX 0
[11:41:28] <sysmonk> shasta: and i'm talking about broken MTA's
[11:41:29] <sysmonk> nto postfix
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[11:42:08] <shasta> name them
[11:42:24] <dash--> can anyone help. when i try an email from external outside box mail account its bouncing back 530 530 Relaying not allowed (state 14).
[11:42:27] <dash--> really need help
[11:43:21] <shasta> "state 14" isn't a postfix error
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[11:43:44] <dash--> do u know what it is?
[11:44:05] <dash--> must be some mail error as it works if i email using an account on the box
[11:44:16] <dash--> but if i send from gmail or others it bounces back
[11:44:33] <sysmonk> mx'es pointing to a wrong server
[11:44:42] <sysmonk> whereas postfix configured to accept them, so postfix doesn't do mx resolving
[11:44:51] <sysmonk> atleast that's my first impression
[11:44:58] <shasta> "state X" sounds like a sexchange
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[11:45:41] <dash--> sysmonk mx is pointed to correct server
[11:46:33] <sysmonk> i'd recheck that
[11:46:36] <sysmonk> what domain is it ?
[11:46:58] <dash--> pm
[11:48:08] <sysmonk> dash--: dns records were changed yesterday
[11:48:29] <sysmonk> might be cached on the gmail / whatever place you're mailing from
[11:48:35] <sysmonk> i can send a test email if you want
[11:49:12] <dash--> well it seems strange that its working locally fine but externall get that relay back really quicklhy
[11:49:16] <sysmonk> ah, so there IS a sexchange on the network :)
[11:49:55] <dash--> it was changed a while ago yesterday they said 3-4 hours should be fine
[11:50:12] <sysmonk> dash--: 1. i can try emailing and seeing if it delivers from me ( i see the postfix mx'es ) 2. if it does give back a bounce - then you'll have to patebin some stuff
[11:50:56] <dash--> sys sure but what email would you send to
[11:51:14] <sysmonk> whatever you'll tell me to send to :)
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[12:10:01] <dash--> sysmonk ?
[12:12:21] <dash--> pleaseeeeeeee
[12:13:11] <sysmonk> dash--: support for postfix is free, if you want a fast support - $$
[12:13:50] <dash--> lol
[12:13:53] <dash--> did u see pm?
[12:14:04] <dash--> thanks btw
[12:14:12] <sysmonk> yes, but i have some other stuff runing around currently
[12:14:20] <sysmonk> so ya'll have to wait
[12:14:25] <dash--> :/
[12:14:40] <vice-versa> or make a donation to the 'sysmonk Unemployed Postfix Admin benevolent fund'
[12:14:46] <micmac> :)
[12:15:05] <sysmonk> correct
[12:15:18] <sysmonk> my current problem is i'm hungry
[12:15:24] <dash--> :/
[12:15:28] <dash--> id buy u a burger
[12:15:33] <micmac> hungry too
[12:15:36] <dash--> im in desp need this biz is down
[12:15:50] <sysmonk> dash--: so, are you willing to pay for support?
[12:15:56] <dash--> where can i pay
[12:16:07] <sysmonk> i'm asking if you're willing
[12:16:09] <dash--> yes
[12:16:13] <sysmonk> how much?
[12:16:20] <dash--> i dunno $50
[12:16:23] <sysmonk> heh
[12:16:27] <sysmonk> good, then we'll help you for free
[12:16:28] <sysmonk> ;P
[12:16:40] <sysmonk> dash--: pastebin the logs and postconf -n
[12:16:46] <micmac> eheh
[12:17:31] * sysmonk should really offer Wietse to create some kind of donation account
[12:18:06] <sysmonk> wouldn't be much $, but atleast he'd have some spare beer-money
[12:18:32] <dash--> http://rafb.net/p/YWt5Au99.html
[12:18:48] <sysmonk> where are the logs?!
[12:18:53] <Roobarb> sysmonk: IBM pay for him to maintain Postfix don't they ?
[12:19:28] <vice-versa> indeed they do
[12:20:30] <dash--> what
[12:20:35] <dash--> thats the cmd u said
[12:20:42] <sysmonk> then how's about a #postfix support fund ? :P
[12:20:50] <sysmonk> dash--: yes, but i need also logs
[12:20:56] <dash--> where is that
[12:21:03] <sysmonk> on your system ;P
[12:21:09] <sysmonk> postfix logs to syslog
[12:21:14] <sysmonk> syslog logs wherever you told it to log
[12:21:19] <sysmonk> by default it's /var/log/maillog
[12:21:33] <lennard> sysmonk: did you send a testmail yet? :)
[12:21:35] <sysmonk> i'd need only ~50 lines of log, not the whole log
[12:21:47] <sysmonk> lennard: he sent himself from somewhere else
[12:21:56] <sysmonk> lennard: there's an exchange box behind postfix
[12:23:34] <lennard> oh boy
[12:23:37] <lennard> eternal exchange :)
[12:26:15] * sysmonk is REALLY hungry
[12:26:15] <sysmonk> ;)
[12:26:47] <lennard> then go eat :P
[12:26:52] <lennard> dash-- isnt pasting logs anyway :)
[12:27:04] <sysmonk> yup
[12:27:07] <sysmonk> that's what i'll do
[12:28:18] <micmac> have a good lunch
[12:28:25] <micmac> i'm going to eat too
[12:28:32] <dash--> er
[12:30:01] <dash--> there are no logs of it hitting the server
[12:30:31] <dash--> only when i do it internally
[12:30:43] <dash--> yet i know it is as im getting relay denied from it
[12:31:02] <lennard> then how do you expect to solve the problem by looking at the server?
[12:31:13] <dash--> I DONT KNOW
[12:31:14] <lennard> the bad-mx-records thingy sounds likely
[12:31:50] <dash--> well its goingtheee
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[12:31:55] <lennard> well, pm me the domainname and an address I can use to try to send things to then
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[12:39:58] <kexman> guys can you help me with this postfix error : http://rafb.net/p/u40iyB77.html ?
[12:40:03] <kexman> i dont know where to start from ?
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[12:44:24] <dash--> lennard they are def not hitting the box
[12:44:40] <dash--> nothing in log from an email i just sent yet my server is replying
[12:44:48] <dash--> saying rely not allowed
[12:44:51] <dash--> relay
[12:44:59] <vice-versa> kexman: 'warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed' ...seems rather obvious
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[12:45:29] <kexman> vice-versa: yes but where ? in the mysql db
[12:45:30] <kexman> ?
[12:46:16] <kexman> vice-versa: i have a mysql database at the back
[12:46:28] <kexman> and it has username : kexman at virtual dot com with a password
[12:46:44] <kexman> so the smtpd username would be kexman at virtual dot com ?
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[12:47:32] <cite> John Denver.
[12:47:38] <cite> it comes in a flavour!
[12:48:06] <vice-versa> kexman: decode your auth string and confirm the credentials
[12:48:16] <kexman> huh ?
[12:48:19] <kexman> im very new to postfix
[12:48:29] <kexman> im just trying to set it up for the first time
[12:48:37] <kexman> Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table" now i got something like this !!! wtf ?
[12:48:51] <kexman> i wanted to send a mail to an outside mailbox
[12:50:01] <kexman> i think im gonna go grab some food and try later again
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[12:53:17] <vice-versa> good plan
[12:53:29] <kexman> vice-versa: thanx for the help :)
[12:53:32] <kexman> see ya later
[12:54:01] <vice-versa> and for future reference, don't pastebin your auth credentials for the entire world to see
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[12:57:02] <BuenGenio> hello
[12:57:04] <BuenGenio> good day
[12:57:10] <BuenGenio> hope someone can help
[12:58:40] <BuenGenio> i'm setting up a proper mail server which will handle mail for virtual domains i host, and hopefully properly manage spam/viruses
[12:59:06] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[12:59:07] <knoba> f3ew: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[12:59:11] <BuenGenio> i'm trying to decide what to use for filtering mail - amavis, clam, spamassassin... there are so many solutions
[12:59:33] <BuenGenio> thx
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[13:00:22] <dash--> postfix/trivial-rewrite[4473]: warning: do not list doma                                                                                                                                                              in saccm.co.uk in BOTH mydestination and virtual_alias_domains
[13:00:28] <dash--> how can i fix this
[13:00:38] <f3ew> dash-- do what it says
[13:00:48] <dash--> how do i edit virtual_alias_domains
[13:00:53] <f3ew> BuenGenio, start with that link
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[13:01:03] <f3ew> dash-- postconf virtual_alias_domans
[13:01:54] <dash--> so thats not the same as /virtual/domains
[13:01:54] <dash--> ?
[13:01:57] <dash--> as taking it out of there
[13:02:18] <dash--> im screwed here, im getting relay 530 denied
[13:02:25] <dash--> any ext emails being sent to that domain are boucning back
[13:02:30] <dash--> any internal ones being sent are working
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[13:06:07] <kexman> vice-versa: i found something odd :reason=delivery failed to mailbox ///home/vmail/virtual.com/kexman/.maildir: cannot open file: Is a directory
[13:06:17] <kexman> i found that in /var/spool/postfix/defer/0
[13:06:23] <kexman> why do i get that ?
[13:06:30] <kexman> isnt .maildir supposed to be a DIR !?
[13:07:23] <f3ew> you forgot to append the / in your DB
[13:07:32] <kexman> no i didnt
[13:07:44] <kexman> /home/vmail/virtual.com/kexman/.maildir
[13:07:55] <Roobarb> trailing slash is missing
[13:07:57] <kexman> this is is in the db. wait at the end of the .maildir i need the / ?
[13:07:59] <kexman> aaa fuck
[13:08:02] <kexman> sorry about the langueage :)
[13:08:23] <vice-versa> indeed, wash you mouth out
[13:08:26] <Roobarb> http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#home_mailbox
[13:08:30] <Roobarb> as documented
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[13:08:57] <internat1> oh i didnt know that! but that explains something else for me..
[13:09:12] <internat1> thats why i love idling here somtimes :)
[13:09:13] <kexman> home_mailbox = .maildir/
[13:09:14] <kexman> i have that
[13:09:18] <kexman> read it from a gentoo guide
[13:09:48] <kexman> ahh im hungry )))))
[13:09:53] <sysmonk> haha
[13:09:54] <sysmonk> :))
[13:09:57] <sysmonk> everybody is hungry! :P
[13:10:06] * sysmonk just ate some stuff
[13:10:10] <sysmonk> not hungry anymore
[13:10:17] <sysmonk> now i'm poor
[13:10:21] <Roobarb> its relative to your users home directory
[13:10:55] <Roobarb> although I'm unsure of how that maps to virtual users
[13:11:30] <vice-versa> home_mailbox only has relevance with local(8) not virtual(8)
[13:12:05] <Roobarb> talking of hungry, afk -> lunch
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[13:17:32] <kexman> Sep  9 14:13:07 mobile postfix/virtual[25421]: 045928740C8: to=<kexman at virtual dot com>, relay=virtual, delay=2137, delays=2137/0.03/0/0.03, dsn=4.2.0, status=deferred (maildir delivery failed: create maildir file ///home/vmail/virtual.com/kexman/.maildir/tmp/1220958787.P25421.mobile: Permission denied)
[13:17:43] <kexman> why the heck do i get that ? sorry for the big passte
[13:18:12] <sysmonk> uid in virtual_uid_maps doesn't have access to write to that folder
[13:18:18] <sysmonk> directory*
[13:18:56] <kexman> sysmonk: virtual_uid_maps = static:1002
[13:19:32] <kexman> 1002 is the uid of vmail user 1002 is also the gid of vmail group which vmail is part of
[13:19:42] <sysmonk> su -m vmail
[13:19:42] <kexman> and i just did chown vmail:vmail /home/vmail -R
[13:19:59] <kexman> and do what ?
[13:20:03] <sysmonk> and try to go to /home/vmail/virtual.com/kexman/.maildir/tmp/
[13:20:05] <sysmonk> and create a file
[13:20:38] <kexman> i did
[13:20:42] <kexman> but it did it as root
[13:20:48] <kexman> not as vmail
[13:20:51] <sysmonk> i TOLD you to 'su -m vmail'
[13:21:02] <kexman> i did that
[13:21:05] <kexman> and did it after that
[13:21:08] <kexman> really i did it
[13:21:16] <sysmonk> 09-09 14:20:53 < kexman> but it did it as root
[13:21:42] <kexman> mobile ~ # su -m vmail
[13:21:42] <kexman> mobile ~ # whoami
[13:21:42] <kexman> root
[13:22:19] <Katana_Steel> usermod -s /bin/bash vmail first ??
[13:22:28] <kexman> aa :)
[13:22:31] <kexman> Katana_Steel: hello
[13:22:48] <sysmonk> shouldn't -m use your login shell, and not users?
[13:22:59] <kexman> okay im in
[13:23:13] <Katana_Steel> hmm... wouldn't know
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[13:23:26] <kexman> i id it
[13:23:31] <kexman> i did echo "test" > test
[13:23:33] <kexman> and there it is
[13:23:35] <sysmonk> kexman: atleast that's what my su manual says
[13:23:42] <sysmonk> kexman: pwd
[13:23:58] <kexman> /home/vmail/virtual.com/kexman/.maildir/tmp
[13:24:15] <kexman> do i need procmail ?
[13:24:19] <kexman> or something else ?
[13:24:19] <sysmonk> nope
[13:24:26] <kexman> so what could the problem be ?
[13:24:44] * sysmonk blinks
[13:24:54] <sysmonk> your postfix isn't chrooted, right?
[13:24:57] <kexman> nope
[13:24:58] <kexman> not yet :)
[13:24:59] <sysmonk> that is - virtual(8)
[13:25:02] <kexman> shouldnt it be ?
[13:25:09] <sysmonk> kexman: just to be sure - pastebin your master.cf
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[13:26:11] <kexman> http://rafb.net/p/iRE1gH98.html here it is
[13:26:32] <sysmonk> nope not chrooted
[13:26:36] <sysmonk> kexman: postconf -n
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[13:29:21] <kexman> sysmonk: http://rafb.net/p/ZcCKFW25.html here it is
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[13:31:47] <sysmonk> seems fine
[13:32:13] <sysmonk> kexman: can you stop and start postfix
[13:32:18] <sysmonk> and try delivering again?
[13:33:11] <kexman> sysmonk: yes
[13:33:29] <CrummyGummy> Hello, I have a filter written in python that I am adding to postfix smtpd. This worked well till last night. Now the subject line that postfix passes my filter is something like
[13:33:31] <CrummyGummy>  Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?B?U1BPVDogQWxhcm0gYWN0aXZhdGVkIG9uIFNwb3QgQCAyMDA4LzA5LzA5IDAxOjEzOjM2IFBN?=
[13:33:41] <CrummyGummy> Any ideas how to fix this?
[13:34:13] <CrummyGummy> =?WINDOWS-1252? chages depending what encoding the client is using to send.
[13:39:51] <vice-versa> fix?
[13:40:36] <kexman> sysmonk: well i think that is gone
[13:40:41] <kexman> but i still see no mail
[13:40:44] <kexman> going to eat :)
[13:40:45] <kexman> really :)
[13:40:48] <kexman> im hungry :)
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[13:44:27] <CrummyGummy> ja, fix.
[13:48:29] <vice-versa> guess you'll have to update the python script to parse the encoded 'SPOT: Alarm' subject string
[13:49:00] <kexman> sysmonk: still here ?
[13:49:00] <kexman> smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
[13:49:09] <kexman> Sep  9 14:46:19 mobile postfix/smtpd[26947]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.virtual.com[192.168.5.109]: TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
[13:49:13] <kexman> these two dont mix ... right ?
[13:49:29] <kexman> i need a client certificate ?
[13:51:58] <kexman> i tryed to send a message using kexman at virtual dot com as the user and the password from the database and i got this : http://rafb.net/p/qsonJh96.html with this in the end : Sep  9 14:48:01 mobile postfix/smtpd[26947]: idle timeout -- exiting
[13:52:02] <kexman> :((
[13:52:04] <Katana_Steel> did you make the pem files and copy them to /etc/postfix?
[13:52:58] <kexman> Katana_Steel: i copyed other files not pem files. made my own certificates. which are working very well with apache
[13:53:13] <kexman> i copyed the postfix.crt and postfix.key and the ca.crt
[13:53:25] <Katana_Steel> k
[13:53:33] <kexman> its not a cert problem imho
[13:53:48] <kexman> its an auth problem somehow ....
[13:55:02] <kexman> somehow the database im using its not connected well or something
[13:55:16] <kexman> sysmonk: could you take a look at this : http://rafb.net/p/qsonJh96.html ?
[13:55:44] <vice-versa> you're back to what I said previously, decode your auth string and confirm the credentials and don't pastebin your auth credentials for the entire world to see
[13:56:02] <lunaphyte_> or use a test account that can be discarded.
[13:56:43] <kexman> aaaa
[13:56:49] <kexman> how to decode them ?
[13:56:57] <kexman> vice-versa: that can be changed right ?
[13:57:00] <kexman> its not a live setup
[13:57:15] <kexman> vice-versa: i didnt understand the first time neither ... how do i decode the auth string ?
[13:57:32] <vice-versa> they are base64 encoded
[13:57:51] <lunaphyte_> use uudecode or perl or such
[13:58:04] <kexman> did it
[13:58:41] <kexman> vice-versa: how do i change my auth strings ?
[13:58:59] <lunaphyte_> !sasl
[13:59:00] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[13:59:54] <kexman> okay
[13:59:59] <kexman> definitly going to eat now :P
[14:04:43] <kexman> problem is that it keeps authenticating with pam
[14:04:47] <kexman> which it shouldnt do !
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[14:05:07] <kexman> i removed authpam from authmodulelist from /etc/courier/authlib/authdaemonrc
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[14:13:01] <kexman> ooooooo now im having problems with my mta trying to send mail to root at domain dot com instead of root@localhost
[14:13:50] <kexman> domain.com has mx of sentry.domainbank.com :)) damn it
[14:14:02] <kexman> where did i set that it should send mail for root to root at domain dot com ?
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[14:16:30] <Katana_Steel> alias??
[14:16:33] <kexman> cron is trying to send
[14:16:35] <kexman> nothing in alias
[14:16:41] <kexman> nor in /etc/mail/aliases
[14:16:43] <kexman> pfff
[14:17:30] <micmac> I'm looking for a nice webmail to put on my servers. I've used horde and roundcube in the past, what would you tell me to try ?
[14:20:22] <kexman> hey that roundcube stuff looks really great
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[14:22:58] <CrummyGummy> vice-versa: Sorry, were you trying to say that that is an expected output?
[14:26:13] <micmac> kexman: it is, but still buggy and in alpha stage
[14:26:17] <micmac> afaik
[14:26:17] <soren> CrummyGummy: As I said, it's a perfectly correct subject line. That's simply the way you specify the encoding.
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[14:27:25] <CrummyGummy> soren: Sorry, I thought I was in #postfix.
[14:27:37] <soren> CrummyGummy: You are :)
[14:27:46] <CrummyGummy> haha
[14:27:56] <soren> I'm *everywhere*.
[14:28:03] <CrummyGummy> irssi is a bit confusing.
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[14:31:15] <vice-versa> CrummyGummy: yes, as soren noted, the mua is providing the encoded subject header, nothing to to with postfix, you have to sort it out on the client or within your python script
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[14:32:12] <CrummyGummy> Thanks, Ive confirmed that now. The clients mail client is doing that when it moves
[14:32:36] <CrummyGummy>  s/moves/sends/
[14:32:43] <CrummyGummy> punctuation
[14:33:02] <CrummyGummy> Which is where the change came in. He changed the subject.
[14:33:26] <CrummyGummy> Now to search the python libs.
[14:34:09] <CrummyGummy> after swearing at my server room manager. (damn aircons broken)
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[14:40:38] <canburak> hi, in the connection cache documentation, there is a "when a destination has high volume of mail". how many mails are considered hgh volume?
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[14:48:24] <kexman> damn i think i found the probelme !
[14:48:25] <kexman> SASLAUTHD_OPTS="${SASLAUTHD_OPTS} -a pam"
[14:48:30] <kexman> its in my sasls config
[14:48:33] <kexman> and i dont need it !
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[14:57:10] <kexman> aaa i give up
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[14:57:42] <kexman> Katana_Steel: can you paste your /etc/conf.d/saslauthd ?
[14:59:03] <kexman> Sep  9 15:56:12 mobile authdaemond: failed to connect to mysql server (server=localhost, userid=mailsql): Access denied for user 'mailsql'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[14:59:06] <kexman> here we go again
[14:59:10] <kexman> round and round :)
[14:59:46] <kexman> Katana_Steel: problems in /etc/postfix/mysql-* ?
[15:00:26] <Katana_Steel> I found out I don't use TLS on postfix... anyway http://rafb.net/p/YSsiTC62.html
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[15:01:20] <Katana_Steel> but yeah most likely the mysql-*.cf
[15:01:37] <Katana_Steel> unless...
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[15:01:57] <uid00> hello and good morning
[15:02:13] <micmac> someone advised me to use Zimbra as a webmail, it looks nice :)
[15:02:18] <micmac> hello uid00
[15:02:46] <Katana_Steel> kexman: check  /etc/courier/authlib/authmysqlrc
[15:02:52] <vice-versa> looks more like a mysql permissions issue to me
[15:03:08] <kexman> OO GOD DAMN IT !
[15:03:15] <kexman> i had a tab after the password in that file Katana_Steel
[15:03:18] <kexman> cold that be it ?
[15:03:25] <kexman> the hole source of my problems ? aaaaaa :)
[15:03:37] <Katana_Steel> it could be
[15:03:38] * kexman apologizes for the nervous breakdown :)
[15:03:54] * Katana_Steel pats kexman
[15:03:58] <Katana_Steel> there there
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[15:04:46] <kexman> nooope it was not that but its somewhere around there :)
[15:05:13] <kexman> BUHH iyt was tha t1
[15:05:20] <kexman> working like a charm now :) woooooohuuuuuu
[15:05:27] <kexman> its was a TAB :PPP buuuhuhuhuhuhuuuu
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[15:06:22] <kexman> AAA smtp working well too :)
[15:06:24] <kexman> juuhuuuu
[15:06:30] <Katana_Steel> you shouldn't be crying, unless they'er tears of joy
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[15:06:33] <kexman> Katana_Steel: i own you one :)
[15:06:37] <kexman> THERE ARE :)
[15:06:44] <Katana_Steel> :D
[15:07:01] <kexman> now i can try fooling around :)
[15:07:06] <Katana_Steel> nah, you'er welcome
[15:07:21] <kexman> GUYS you are all great
[15:07:25] <kexman> thanx for helping me out
[15:07:28] <uid00> these guys here are good
[15:07:33] <kexman> i really really really really apreciate it
[15:07:37] <uid00> so, here's my dealio
[15:08:11] <Katana_Steel> I think I can speak for me if not everyone when I say, we do out best
[15:08:27] <uid00> i have that stupid root cert cannot be verified
[15:08:34] <uid00> i have the correct perms, files installed
[15:08:38] <uid00> this is all coming from client
[15:08:48] <f3ew> uid00 import the certificate
[15:08:49] <uid00> i tried installing the cert on the client side...per some other instructions
[15:08:51] <uid00> yeah
[15:08:53] <uid00> dur
[15:08:57] <uid00> if in outlook, do it thru explorer
[15:09:04] <uid00> lemme try again, just for S&G
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[15:10:31] <uid00> nothing
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[15:19:33] <uid00> this is odd
[15:19:46] <uid00> you know for once, I don't think this is an issue with me not knowing wtf
[15:19:47] <uid00> u know?
[15:19:57] <uid00> meh
[15:20:07] <uid00> can't get all bent up now, not at this point
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[15:27:05] <raz> arf. great. how to break a broken protocol even more: http://www.heise.de/netze/rfc/rfcs/rfc5337.shtml
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[15:46:32] <BuenGenio> hello
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[16:02:43] <seekwill> sysmonk?
[16:02:47] <sysmonk> yes?
[16:03:02] <seekwill> It worked! :)
[16:03:04] <seekwill> THANKS!
[16:03:37] <sysmonk> good
[16:03:42] <sysmonk> how's the quality?
[16:03:45] <sysmonk> do you need a better pipe?
[16:03:57] <seekwill> Did I peg the pipe? The stream autodetects the speed. It peaked at ~800Kbps
[16:04:09] <seekwill> I don't know if that was the max of the pipe or the stream
[16:04:13] <sysmonk> is that enough for you ?
[16:04:26] <seekwill> It was definitely good enough
[16:04:34] <sysmonk> so no need for a better one?
[16:04:42] <seekwill> Probably not
[16:04:46] <sysmonk> k
[16:04:54] <seekwill> It was so awesome
[16:04:55] <sysmonk> then i'll leave that one
[16:04:58] <seekwill> Thanks
[16:05:18] <sysmonk> just make me a list of dates when the best games will be so i don't shut down the box
[16:05:21] <sysmonk> (that was my home pc)
[16:05:41] <sysmonk> i usually have it runing all the time
[16:06:16] <Dominian> eh
[16:06:19] <Dominian> best games?
[16:06:19] <Dominian> wtf
[16:06:24] <Dominian> you streaming IPTV now? hehe
[16:06:31] <seekwill> sysmonk: Every Sunday :)
[16:06:59] <seekwill> And Monday night
[16:08:01] <seekwill> Dominian: nfl.com/gamepass only works outside the US. So sysmonk was very nice and runs an http proxy off his box for me  :D
[16:10:06] <Dominian> hehe
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[16:10:16] <Dominian> seekwill: Where are you from that you like the NFL?
[16:10:23] <Dominian> I just turn on Dish Network and I'm good to go ;)
[16:10:41] <Dominian> hell if I knew you needed that..
[16:10:46] <Dominian> I could've done that for you off my VPS ;0
[16:10:48] <seekwill> I'm in Seattle, but I don't have cable. I don't really watch TV
[16:10:55] <Dominian> ahhhhh
[16:11:13] <seekwill> So need an out-of-country IP
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[16:13:56] <seekwill> sysmonk: What time is it over there right now? Just wondering the time diff
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[16:16:00] <sysmonk> seekwill: 17:15
[16:16:13] <seekwill> 10 hours...
[16:16:40] <sysmonk> + or - ?
[16:16:52] <seekwill> You're 10 hours ahead
[16:17:24] <Dominian> wait.. I"m confused.
[16:17:30] <seekwill> Sounds perfect.
[16:17:33] <Dominian> seekwill: Why did you need an out of country IP to access a site in the states?
[16:17:59] <sysmonk> Dominian: they block US ip's
[16:18:08] <seekwill> Dominian: gamepass is only available outside the US. I think because the NFL gave exclusive broadcast rights to cable networks
[16:18:08] <Dominian> nfl.com/gamepass blocks US IPs?
[16:18:11] <seekwill> Yes
[16:18:15] <Dominian> ahhh
[16:18:18] <Dominian> that's.. fucked up
[16:18:22] <seekwill> :)
[16:18:40] <seekwill> You have... no idea... what I've been through the last week or so
[16:18:42] <Dominian> then again I have an out-of-states server hehe
[16:18:57] <kexman> hehh im dealing with the strangest problem
[16:19:06] <seekwill> Does it involve football???
[16:19:08] <kexman> sometimes Sep  9 17:18:39 mobile authdaemond: failed to connect to mysql server (server=localhost, userid=mailsql): Access denied for user 'mailsql'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[16:19:21] <seekwill> Sounds like you're not using the right password
[16:19:22] <kexman> sometimes i get that. other times i can receive my pop mail
[16:19:32] <kexman> seekwill: then how is it that i am able to grab my pop mail ?
[16:19:54] <seekwill> Because postfix and pop mail isn't really connected
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[16:20:15] <kexman> http://rafb.net/p/lmaHyl86.html
[16:20:41] <seekwill> sysmonk: So it seems like I'll be on your box at around 8PM yourtime, sunday night.... What time do you sleep?? :)
[16:21:15] <kexman> http://rafb.net/p/DXdvJC57.html a little bit later , couple seconds ...
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[16:24:47] <seekwill> kexman: It's a rather clear error. You are either using the wrong password to log in, or it's trying to run something it does not have permission to do
[16:25:14] <kexman> seekwill: look i did check mail in thunderbird 2 times in a row
[16:25:17] <kexman> first time it works
[16:25:19] <kexman> second time not :)
[16:25:29] <seekwill> Ask in #mysql
[16:25:32] <kexman> i must wait like couple seconds before i get an authentication
[16:25:39] <kexman> using the same account
[16:25:50] <kexman> seekwill: using dovecot would help me in any way ?
[16:26:05] <sysmonk> seekwill: not 8PM :P
[16:26:19] <sysmonk> seekwill: that is, i don't go to sleep at 8PM :)
[16:26:24] <seekwill> sysmonk: You have to get ready to work!
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[16:27:02] <seekwill> kexman: It sounds like something to do with MySQL. I can help you in #mysql
[16:27:44] <kexman> im there :)
[16:28:08] <seekwill> 1 sec, work is calling. Paste the errors to #mysql
[16:28:51] <sysmonk> seekwill: ?
[16:28:55] <sysmonk> seekwill: i'm at work already
[16:29:09] <sysmonk> and even going to studies already, so have a nice day
[16:29:23] <kexman> again : http://rafb.net/p/DXdvJC57.html
[16:29:25] <seekwill> hehe, bye
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[17:01:44] <kexman> adding a socks file to couriers auth config did the trick
[17:03:28] * raz falls over *fump*
[17:03:44] <kexman> that stoneguy is nuts :))))
[17:03:51] <kexman> ooppps sorry
[17:03:56] <kexman> raz: what ? :)
[17:06:35] <vice-versa> socks file?
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[17:07:28] <gamercod4> hi all , can you help me please ? i can't login on the postfix server with an mail client , but i receive message on the server
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[17:07:59] * raz rubs his eyes
[17:09:21] <gamercod4> i don't understand what the problem :/
[17:10:03] <vice-versa> neither will we if you don't elaborate on it
[17:11:55] <vice-versa> kexman: what do you mean by socks file?
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[17:16:23] <kexman> MYSQL_SOCKET		/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[17:16:26] <kexman> added that line
[17:16:57] <kexman> added mysql socks file in the config i ment but was so happy that i wrote somethint tottaly stupid :) sorry
[17:17:06] <vice-versa> to authdaemonrc?
[17:17:33] <kexman> yes
[17:17:34] <vice-versa> or most likely authmysql me guesses
[17:17:38] <kexman> authmysqlrc
[17:17:46] <kexman> vice-versa: are you familiar with imap ?
[17:17:52] <kexman> i set it up it works well well now
[17:18:02] <kexman> and i wanted to make a "folder"
[17:18:10] <kexman> and got a big bad message from kmail
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[17:19:31] <seekwill> I'm really not sure how that would have solved anything. Do you have two MySQL's running on your box?
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[17:19:40] <kexman> hmm but its there ... i dont get it ... now i see it :) this is the error i had :
[17:19:43] <kexman> seekwill: nope
[17:19:49] <kexman> ohh i also added a port number which was 0
[17:19:54] <kexman> but i dont understand how it could had worked
[17:20:05] <kexman> http://rafb.net/p/mEf2RP53.html
[17:20:27] <kexman> hmm using port 993 instead of 143 worked
[17:20:30] <kexman> no errors now vice-versa
[17:20:38] <seekwill> okkkkkk
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[17:21:27] <vice-versa> seekwill: that's what I'm thinking too, he merely masked a deeper problem
[17:21:40] <seekwill> :)
[17:21:56] * seekwill really needs to get back to work :)
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[17:25:06] <kexman> guys what port do i need to open up so smtp can do its job ?
[17:25:35] <kexman> vice-versa: what ? what did i masked ?
[17:28:11] <seekwill> 25
[17:28:29] <kexman> seekwill: i am trying to send a message to my gmail account
[17:28:33] <kexman> google wont accept it
[17:28:42] <seekwill> Why?
[17:28:50] <seekwill> Your logs tell you why
[17:29:06] <kexman> i cant access googles mail servers port 25
[17:29:11] <kexman> getting connection timed out
[17:30:03] <vice-versa> kexman: what I meant was you treated the symptom and not the actual problem of the sporadic authentication failures
[17:30:52] <kexman> vice-versa: you think so ? what is the porblem really then ?
[17:32:41] <vice-versa> dunno, how many authdaemon processes did you have configured?
[17:32:55] <kexman> vice-versa: if i try to send an email to an unexistent user i immediatly get a reply from the server that it wont send it since the users isnt in the virtual table list
[17:33:16] <kexman> how can i get past that and get a proper mailer daemon reply instead ? or this is how is done properly ?
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[17:33:25] <kexman> vice-versa: daemon =5
[17:34:02] <vice-versa> shouldn't that be daemons
[17:34:13] <vice-versa> daemons=5
[17:34:46] <kexman> yes its that sorry i wrote it wrong
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[17:37:50] <vice-versa> kexman: that would be expected behaviour
[17:39:08] <kexman> vice-versa: so what can i do to get rid of this behaviour ?
[17:39:13] <kexman> increase that number ?
[17:39:21] <kexman> frmo 5 to what ? 50 ? :) i have no idea
[17:39:51] <vice-versa> kexman: that was in reply to your bounce question
[17:40:00] <kexman> maaan now i see that imapd-ssl isnt working .... im connecting via imap or pop3 not imap-ssl and pop3-ssl.
[17:40:15] <kexman> vice-versa: ohh okay :)
[17:41:46] <kexman> vice-versa: but what is it with the ssl problem ? i get nothing but Sep  9 18:41:50 mobile pop3d-ssl: Unexpected SSL connection shutdown.
[17:41:55] <kexman> i have set up certificates right
[17:43:24] <kexman> Sep  9 18:42:36 mobile postfix/smtpd[17553]: Anonymous TLS connection established from mail.virtual.com[192.168.5.109]: TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
[17:43:53] <vice-versa> !pop
[17:43:54] <knoba> vice-versa: "pop" : postfix is not an imap or pop server
[17:44:11] <kexman> okay
[17:44:12] <seekwill> !pop3
[17:44:12] <kexman> sorry
[17:44:12] <knoba> seekwill: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol ). Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[17:44:18] <seekwill> :)
[17:44:30] <kexman> !courier
[17:44:30] <knoba> kexman: "courier" : an alternative MTA to Postfix. Parts of it (maildrop, IMAP server and POP3 server) are often used by Postfix users as well. See: www.courier-mta.org or #courier
[17:44:44] <kexman> !dovecot
[17:44:44] <knoba> kexman: "dovecot" : http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; recent versions can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix 2.3+.
[17:45:10] <kexman> hmm tls uses port 110 ?
[17:45:18] <kexman> okay soooo what does this concludes ?
[17:45:23] <seekwill> heh
[17:45:26] <kexman> tls is a good way to secure things ? right ?
[17:45:38] <seekwill> kexman: You have a long way to go my friend :)
[17:45:42] <kexman> seekwill: yes yes :)
[17:45:48] <kexman> i know :P
[17:45:59] <kexman> seekwill: well in the world of mail im a little bit newbie :)
[17:46:18] <kexman> to have a secure imap or pop3 connection what would i need to use ?
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[17:47:02] <seekwill> How about using something like Google Apps to host your mail?
[17:47:17] <kexman> seekwill: how about i want to learn ? :)
[17:47:23] * kexman goes to read up on stuff
[17:47:29] <seekwill> Mail is a bit complicated these days
[17:47:50] <kexman> seekwill: never mind :) ill somehow decomplecate it :)
[17:47:59] <seekwill> No, it's not something you can do
[17:48:18] <kexman> well then ill get my head geared to this complicated mail system :)
[17:48:22] <Sysctl___> hey folks. i have a client who accidentally sent a bunch of emails to the wrong domain that has no mx configuration, so they are simply deferring saying that their server dropped the initial smtp greeting etc... not a big deal, but how does one tell postfix to redirect emails in its queue to go to another email address?
[17:48:29] <seekwill> The complicated parts is the connection and reputation with ISPs, not setting up the software part of it
[17:48:53] <Sysctl___> ie, instead of going to john at email dot net, instead to john at email dot com ?
[17:49:10] <Sysctl___> is there a postsuper type command for that?
[17:50:33] <seekwill> kexman: For example, if you're running this mailserver from home, your messages might end up blocked or in the spam box of yahoo/gmail/aol/hotmail/etc just because you're on a home system.
[17:50:45] <seekwill> kexman: These days, much more cost effective to outsource mail
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[17:51:10] <kexman> seekwill: currently reading about tls
[17:51:16] <seekwill> kexman: Good for you!
[17:52:07] <kexman> seekwill: well they wont since ill run this mail system from a business quality server from within a datacenter or such place
[17:53:04] <seekwill> kexman: That helps
[17:54:00] <rob0> unless the DC is owned by a "pink" provider, and you're just a "human shield" for spam.
[17:54:00] <kexman> seekwill: currently reading about tls on the wiki
[17:54:36] <seekwill> rob0: Yeah. My VPS has a naughty /24, so I'm on the list of some rbls...
[17:54:56] <kexman> so seekwill if i understood it well then i dont need to use ssl for a secure email connection. i can use simply tls which is as good or better. over the port 110 (pop3) for secure pop3 ?
[17:55:16] * seekwill bangs head on desk
[17:55:23] <kexman> seekwill: what ? :)
[17:55:39] <seekwill> kexman: rob0 is an expert on this!!!! :)
[17:55:52] * rob0 is working on something else
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[17:56:05] <kexman> i want encryption when using mail ! dont want to unencrypted connections
[17:56:22] <rob0> !pop3
[17:56:24] <knoba> rob0: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol ). Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
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[17:56:34] <rob0> !basic
[17:56:37] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[17:56:40] <rob0> !google
[17:56:40] <knoba> rob0: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[17:56:56] <kexman> a simple yes or no would do it
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[17:57:08] <seekwill> kexman: I suggest buying this book "The Book of Postfix"
[17:57:16] <seekwill> That will help you a lot
[17:57:20] <rob0> Yes or no to WHAT?
[17:57:25] <seekwill> in your learning experience
[17:57:44] <kexman> rob0: by using TLS with pop3 i get secure emailing ?
[17:57:53] <rob0> Yes AND no.
[17:58:00] <vice-versa> hehe
[17:58:05] <kexman> that means no one can read my mail and that mail passes from server to me (client) encrypted in a tls session
[17:58:11] <kexman> yes or no ?
[17:58:17] <kexman> yes what and no what ? :)
[17:58:52] <kexman> so anyone sniffing on the network only gets encrypted information nothing in cleartext
[17:59:07] <rob0> I don't have time to try to explain it all. But I did point you to some good starter documents.
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[17:59:41] <kexman> okay
[17:59:44] <kexman> ill keep on reading :)
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[18:01:07] <kexman> rob0: one more question is pop3 with tls like http with ssl ?
[18:01:45] <rob0> kind of, except TLS starts out as plaintext
[18:01:47] <rob0> !tls
[18:01:48] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : short for "Transport Layer Security" (RFC2246). It adds an additional layer of encryption to protocols like SMTP, POP3 or IMAP to improve security during transmission over the internet. You can find HOWTOs on that topic on http://www.postfix.org/docs.html
[18:01:54] <rob0> !tls_readme
[18:01:55] <knoba> rob0: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
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[18:04:38] <kexman> rob0: so what is transmitted in plaintext that can hurt me ?
[18:05:04] <kexman> Transport Layer Security (TLS) and its predecessor, Secure Sockets Layer (SSL), are cryptographic protocols that provide secure communications on the Internet for such things as web browsing, e-mail, Internet faxing, instant messaging and other data transfers. There are slight differences between SSL and TLS, but they are essentially the same.
[18:05:09] <kexman> that is from the wiki
[18:05:32] <kexman> so if ssl is a predecessor for tls i dont see why it wouldnt be secure as ssl ?
[18:05:47] <kexman> if it is very secure why wont anyone tell me that ? :)
[18:05:56] * rob0 sighs
[18:06:02] <kexman> :(
[18:06:05] <kexman> whaat ?
[18:06:18] <rob0> because there is NO simple answer to "is it secure?"
[18:06:30] <kexman> rob0: is ssl secure ? :) what's the answer to that ? :)
[18:06:41] <kexman> is ssh secure ? :)
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[18:07:34] <rob0> SSH is one of the most commonly exploited services on Unix-like OS's.
[18:08:25] <kexman> this is why i dont give it away for everyone :)
[18:08:37] <vice-versa> is it encrypted...yes, is it secure..depends on your definition of secure, but it certainly beats plain text
[18:08:39] <kexman> added layers of security provide great access to ssh :)
[18:08:45] <kexman> vice-versa: :) hehe
[18:08:53] <kexman> vice-versa: well if its encrypted isnt secure enough ?
[18:09:02] <kexman> vice-versa: what are the downsides of tls versus ssl ?
[18:09:27] <rob0> If you think encryption means security, you don't understand either, and at that, I am out.
[18:09:51] <kexman> rob0: no i just think that without proper encryption there is NO security
[18:10:01] <kexman> and encryption is the first step towards security
[18:10:06] <kexman> better encryption better security i think
[18:10:16] <kexman> but security is not just about encryption
[18:10:18] <kexman> that is what i think
[18:12:10] <kexman> hmm i think i understood something
[18:12:13] <kexman> by asking something :)
[18:12:45] <kexman> with ssl anyone using the service is authenticated inside an ssl connection. with tls you have to option to use or not to use tls ?
[18:12:50] <kexman> you cant force it onto the user ?
[18:13:06] <kexman> i want to force to user to use encryption at authentication / working with the service
[18:14:00] <lennard> well, you can say no when they try to do stuff unencrypted :)
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[18:16:08] <kexman> lennard: like how ? before letting a user send its credentials in cleartext i need to say no :) not after he sends it :))
[18:16:51] <kexman> a solution i can think of is that im already in an encrypted enviroment when he has the option to send it
[18:17:07] <lennard> well, you don't offer auth before theydid tls
[18:17:16] <kexman> lennard: and where do i configure that ?
[18:17:18] <lennard> I think thats what the postfix configvar is called to
[18:17:49] <lennard> kexman: have you discovered the merits of the online documentation and postconf(5) yet? :)
[18:18:03] <kexman> nope :)
[18:18:10] <lennard> I suggest you do both :)
[18:18:26] <lennard> postconf(5) is ofcourse a manpage, the documentation is readily available on postfix.org
[18:18:27] <kexman> both what ? :) which is the other one ?
[18:18:31] <kexman> aha
[18:18:32] <kexman> okay
[18:19:07] <lennard> and now, I need to pretend to be healthy by going for a little run
[18:19:14] <kexman> :)
[18:19:16] <kexman> thanx
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[18:20:13] <kexman> wow postconf(5) is extensive :)
[18:20:58] <lysander> there are options
[18:21:34] <lysander> for extra fun, postconf -d vs postconf in a diff
[18:21:47] <lysander> see what you changed away from default :)
[18:22:46] <kexman> smtp_enforce_tls is this common ?
[18:26:34] * kexman had enough of mail learning for today
[18:26:39] <kexman> started to have headaches
[18:26:46] <kexman> guys
[18:26:50] <kexman> thanx for the help
[18:26:54] <kexman> ill keep on reading
[18:27:11] <kexman> i hope one day to help other her :)
[18:27:16] <kexman> *here8
[18:27:19] <kexman> *here*
[18:27:21] <kexman> duh
[18:27:25] <kexman> i really need a break
[18:27:27] <kexman> see ya later
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[18:30:02] <kexman> smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes i think that is waht i need
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[18:30:04] <kexman> :)
[18:30:08] <gamercod4> hi all
[18:30:47] <gamercod4> i can't login on postfix , they're postfix or courrier who accept the authentification ?
[18:31:49] <Trengo> telnet?
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[19:17:17] <chiwawa_42> hi ! I'm looking for any hint on sid-milter. I couldn't find any howto and would like to do something not quite documented : using it for outgoing mail only, not to check on incoming mails
[19:17:58] <chiwawa_42> looks like this package is the only one to provide SenderID support, but it's not widelly used either :/
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[19:21:56] <TheAvatar_> Hello - how would I convert .eml files to something I can inject into postfix (moving mail from one solution to the other)
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[19:23:05] <devdas> just copy them to an imap folder using Outlook Express or Thunderbird
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[19:23:34] <xpoint_dell> hint imapsync
[19:23:50] <TheAvatar_> that's what I had in mind, but I figured there might be another (smarter solution)
[19:23:57] <chiwawa_42> arent .eml files basically rfc822 like mails ?
[19:24:29] <TheAvatar_> I still need them properly injected into postfix so it knows about them - I mean things like properly filenaming etc
[19:25:01] <chiwawa_42> or maybe install Thunderbird
[19:25:17] <chiwawa_42> its maildirs can be feeded to almost anything
[19:25:31] <devdas> TheAvatar_: wrong problem
[19:25:36] <chiwawa_42> and it will ipport all content from OE
[19:25:44] <devdas> maildir doesn't care about file names
[19:26:36] <TheAvatar_> okay - but dragging from one account to imap account (new server) would get them properly into the new server - keeping all settings (read/unread, headers etc) - somewhat what imapsync does as far as I can read
[19:26:45] <TheAvatar_> the thing is, I dont have any of the old data
[19:27:06] <devdas> right
[19:27:28] <TheAvatar_> meaning an easy clientside solution would be nice (e.g. the drag'n'drop could work)
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[19:29:58] <devdas> cp *.eml /path/to/Maildir/
[19:30:06] <devdas> then chown and chmod correctly
[19:31:05] <TheAvatar_> okay - I'll have 3 rather easy solutions now I guess, so I'll see which one is preferrable - thank you all for fast help
[19:31:08] <TheAvatar_> much appreciated
[19:31:53] <devdas> Once mail is delivered, ideally you don't want a MTA getting in between again
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[19:34:39] <TheAvatar_> you mean copy from imap to imap fx?
[19:35:58] <devdas> yes
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[19:42:51] <cVsup> my server have nis configured. I need that my server relay mail in an external server. When configure relay host and sasl_passwd her no check this file and user nis user to athentication on relay host
[19:43:12] <cVsup>  my server have nis configured. I need that my server relay mail in an external server. When configure relay host and sasl_passwd her no check this file and use nis user to athentication on relay host
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[19:44:15] <_fury> hello. When using postfix with MySQL, I have to specify a hostname in the 'hosts' variable. I don't use networking with MySQL. Can I make it use a unix socket somehow?
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[19:45:51] <c0re> Is it possible to configure postfix to relay mail for addresses on one domain to a specific relayhost, while relaying all other e-mail to another?
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[19:49:37] <DanGer> _fury: use hosts = unix:/tmp/mysql.sock
[19:49:42] <uid00> funk
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[19:51:55] <Bazy> hello, I would like to allow a host to send mail, a host that is blocked by "sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org" and I don't intend to get rid of the "reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org" line
[19:53:47] <devdas> Bazy: use a check_client_access before the reject line
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[19:55:24] <Bazy> devdas: "check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access" ? with the "<ip> OK" ?
[19:55:29] <cVsup>  my server have nis configured. I need that my server relay mail in an external server. When configure relay host and sasl_passwd her no check this file and use nis user to athentication on relay host
[19:55:36] <cVsup> somebody can help me?
[19:55:40] <devdas> yes
[19:55:56] <Bazy> devdas thank you, i'll try it now
[19:56:28] <lunaphyte_> !tell cVsup sasl
[19:57:15] <cVsup> lunaphyte i not find information about sasl and nis
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[19:58:21] <cVsup> if i use login out nis work
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[19:59:08] <Bazy> devdas thank you very mutch, it works! i was surfing google for about an hour
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[20:06:23] <TheAvatar_> just copying .eml files makes them show up as plaintext, not the actual mail :o
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[20:07:01] <devdas> TheAvatar_: if you read them via IMAP?
[20:07:12] <TheAvatar_> no pop3
[20:07:57] <devdas> perhaps you need to fix DOS line ending issues?
[20:08:24] <TheAvatar_> I just tried ftp'ing the file over
[20:08:33] <TheAvatar_> binary
[20:11:02] <_fury> DanGer: thanks :)
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[20:16:24] <devdas> try text :)
[20:16:32] <devdas> Or run dos2unix
[20:20:04] * raz rubs his eyes
[20:21:52] <_fury> is this a good place to ask about postfixadmin?
[20:22:39] <TheAvatar_> what is dos2unix? I run bsd
[20:22:54] <_fury> TheAvatar_: there's a port for it
[20:23:01] <_fury> just converts linefeeds
[20:24:48] <TheAvatar_> ah called unix2dos
[20:24:49] <TheAvatar_> :D
[20:25:36] <googlah> _fury: I think #postfixadmin is a better place. :p
[20:25:47] <_fury> ohh heh
[20:25:48] <devdas> TheAvatar_: that does the reverse
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[20:31:44] <TheAvatar_> dos2unix helped a bit
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[20:33:47] <sepski> i am setting out to create a new maildir partition, and was wondering if there are any guidelines on what ext3 fs options are sane to use like more inodes etc etc ? for a maildir style postfix dovecot setup. i also need to export it using nfs
[20:34:03] <devdas> Lots of indoes
[20:34:05] <devdas> inodes
[20:34:35] <sepski> 2x 4x ? 8x ?
[20:34:42] <sepski> are there any rules of thumb ?
[20:35:25] <devdas> nope
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[20:36:52] <sysmonk> sepski: 1.5x of the count of emails you think you'll be storing ;PPP
[20:37:18] <sepski> yeah... that's easy to predict :)
[20:37:29] <sysmonk> yeah ;P
[20:38:03] <sysmonk> just build a time machine, go to the future, look at df -i output and ya'll get the answer
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[20:41:31] <cVsup>  my server have nis configured. I need that my server relay mail in an external server. When configure relay host and sasl_passwd her no check this file and use nis user to athentication on relay host. If i use user out of nis to send mail work
[20:43:31] <TheAvatar_> okay - it became the => imap solution
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[20:49:43] <sysmonk> imap++
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[22:02:47] <_fury> a quick question, I just reconfigured postfix to use virtual domains. everything is working great, I found directions somewhere.  Only thing is, before I had my server set up to allow relaying mail if a login/password was provided, and now that isn't working.  where is that stuff set up so I can modify it?
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[22:06:42] <Dominian> master.cf and main.cf
[22:07:02] <_fury> obviously
[22:07:57] <Dominian> Well, if its obvious.. why ask?
[22:08:16] <_fury> the question I was asking really wasn't "what config file is it in" as much as it was "where in the config file"
[22:08:38] <_fury> because there are a bunch of things that say they have to do with relaying
[22:08:47] <Dominian> !relay
[22:08:48] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "relay" is not a valid command.
[22:08:51] <Dominian> damn it
[22:08:57] <Dominian> !smtp
[22:08:57] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "smtp" is not a valid command.
[22:08:58] <Dominian> !smtpd
[22:08:59] <knoba> Dominian: Error: "smtpd" is not a valid command.
[22:09:02] <Dominian> fscker
[22:09:22] <_fury> in case it's relevant, I'm using dovecot for authentication
[22:09:35] <_fury> with mysql
[22:10:08] <Dominian> !sasl
[22:10:09] <knoba> Dominian: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[22:10:38] <_fury> that's what it is called
[22:10:51] <_fury> ok so I have permit_sasl_authenticated and such in smtpd_recipient_restrictions
[22:10:58] <_fury> and smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[22:11:30] <_fury> it all seems right :(
[22:11:39] <Dominian> what are the log entries?
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[22:14:30] <_fury> NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from ool-45701936.dyn.optonline.net[69.112.25.54]: 554 ... etc
[22:14:42] <_fury> from=<username at domain dot tld> does that mean they are authenticated?
[22:14:50] <_fury> dovecot's logs don't say anything about a failed auth
[22:16:47] <Dominian> hrm
[22:16:50] <Dominian> is this through port 25?
[22:17:20] <sysmonk> i like the 'etc' part
[22:17:20] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:17:25] <Dominian> normally sasl is configured for port 587 whichi s submission..
[22:17:43] <_fury> no actually it's 465 I think
[22:17:46] <_fury> smtpds
[22:18:05] <sysmonk> 465 is allrighty too
[22:18:39] <sysmonk> _fury: specify the full logs
[22:18:55] <sysmonk> postfix does tell you (in teh logs) if somebody tried to auth
[22:19:44] * Dominian nods
[22:19:46] <Dominian> 465 will work
[22:19:48] <Dominian> smtps
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[22:22:33] <tvirus> I'm running postfix (sendmail.postfix). I am wondering if there's a way to modify a message in the queue before its sent (change the to: address). I need to have emails sent to people, but their availability changes (on-call person). Is there a way to do this or should I have it email my local machine and run a script to forward it out? Does that make sense? :x
[22:22:45] <_fury> yeah
[22:22:56] <_fury> I don't see an attempted auth in postfix logs
[22:23:30] <sysmonk> _fury: try to attempt one, and see if something shows up in teh logs
[22:23:31] <_fury> http://rafb.net/p/X1uNkn21.html
[22:24:01] <_fury> I think it's honestly a user configuration problem
[22:24:03] <_fury> from this one person
[22:24:07] <_fury> or that is possible
[22:24:15] <_fury> but I wish it told me more about whether they were actually connecting on 465
[22:25:11] <pickcoder> _fury: so use iptraf or some other traffic monitor to see
[22:25:20] <sysmonk> _fury: very possible
[22:25:21] <pickcoder> do you know the source IP?
[22:25:30] <_fury> yeah I do
[22:26:28] <sysmonk> i thought there should be some TLS related info if they're using 465
[22:26:30] <sysmonk> or am i wrong?
[22:29:40] <_fury> I am pretty confident they are using 465 etc
[22:29:41] <_fury> see
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[22:29:57] <_fury> I changed all my settings today, this was working fine before, but I set up virtual accounts and domains and stuff with mysql and postfixadmin
[22:30:03] <_fury> everything went real well
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[22:30:44] <mrglinux> why each mail out from my server and most of server use postfix to yahoo mail go to the bulk is it postfix problem or yahoo ?
[22:31:18] <_fury> I mean incoming mail works fine, so does outgoing
[22:31:22] <_fury> everything works except relaying
[22:31:23] * pickcoder tries to unsrcamble that question
[22:35:31] <_fury> it does say proto=ESMTP
[22:35:44] <_fury> if that makes a difference
[22:35:58] <sysmonk> no, it doesn't
[22:36:04] <sysmonk> did you TRY to auth yourself?
[22:36:17] <_fury> well I can't exactly just telnet to it
[22:36:24] <sysmonk> use openssl
[22:36:25] <sysmonk> !openssl
[22:36:26] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "openssl" is not a valid command.
[22:36:26] <_fury> because it's ssl
[22:36:28] <sysmonk> !s_client
[22:36:29] <knoba> sysmonk: Error: "s_client" is not a valid command.
[22:36:31] <sysmonk> err
[22:36:42] <sysmonk> _fury: openssl s_client -connect server:465
[22:37:12] <_fury> silly question
[22:37:15] <_fury> hwo do I auth? :)
[22:37:17] <_fury> once I'm connected
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[22:44:41] <_fury> AUTH PLAIN and then what :(
[22:45:45] <sysmonk> !sasl
[22:45:45] <knoba> sysmonk: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[22:45:47] <sysmonk> _fury: ^^
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[22:49:11] <_fury> I'm actually not getting anything in maillog
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[22:49:21] <_fury> although it says authentication failed invalid base64 data in continued response
[22:49:32] <_fury> having followed the directions there
[22:51:07] <sysmonk> maybe you're using some Yet Another Stupid Distro which splits your maillog in 20 pieces and puts it in different files?
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[22:51:28] <_fury> well the word "distro" doesn't apply to freebsd so no
[22:51:36] <_fury> there's just one maillog
[22:51:42] <_fury> /var/log/maillog
[22:51:43] <sysmonk> yup, freebsd isn't a distro :P
[22:51:50] <sysmonk> yeah, i know, freebsd user myself
[22:52:01] <_fury> kudos to another of us.
[22:52:10] <_fury> I gave up the Yet Another Stupid Distro thing years ago :)
[22:52:18] <sysmonk> heh, same here
[22:52:23] <sysmonk> anyway
[22:52:36] <_fury> if you know freebsd, I used the guide here: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4
[22:52:41] <_fury> to set all this up
[22:52:49] <_fury> but I migrated from my old one that just used unix accounts
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[22:54:06] <sysmonk> Sep  9 23:45:36 mail postfix/smtpd[80822]: warning: unknown[192.168.69.6]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed: authentication failure
[22:54:18] <sysmonk> i do get teh warnings/errors on 465 when authing
[22:54:32] <sysmonk> _fury: nah, not using guides/howtos
[22:54:49] <_fury> no I mean
[22:54:53] <_fury> that's what I used that fucked this up :)
[22:54:58] <_fury> I doubt you need them
[22:55:02] <_fury> as you seem to know what you are talking about :)
[22:55:12] <_fury> I don't because honestly I'm not really a sysadmin, I just get lumped into this job
[22:55:18] <sysmonk> ohhh
[22:55:25] <sysmonk> so give teh job to the people who love it and want it :P
[22:55:31] <_fury> heh you can take it any day
[22:55:34] <sysmonk> (if they will get paid for it :P )
[22:55:35] <_fury> crap brb
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[23:25:55] <_fury> could this have something to do with "SASL realms"?
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[23:32:04] <Xcaliber009> Question: I'm getting an error message in my logfile that a certificate can't be verified in my postfix mail.log file, is there any way to force-trust this certificate?
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[23:34:50] <jsoftw> Basic question here, for relay_domains I have relay_domains = /path/to/some/file . How do I add another file in there? Do I seperate with a space, a comma, or what?
[23:35:13] <sysmonk> space OR comma
[23:35:16] <sysmonk> but i prefer comma
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[23:36:47] <sysmonk> Xcaliber009: you can define the CA list with smtp_tls_ca_file
[23:36:55] <sysmonk> Xcaliber009: or try playing with smtp_tls_per_site
[23:37:11] <jsoftw> sysmonk: cheers
[23:37:38] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:37:50] <sysmonk> more and more people from ##freebsd here
[23:39:17] <akhilesh> how do I configure the server to do this:: I want all messages sent to email id "messages-DDDD at example dot com" to be redirected to messages at example dot com , where DDDD represents 4 digit number...  I do not want to create 1000 such possible email addresss
[23:39:58] <sysmonk> akhilesh: 2 ways
[23:40:03] <sysmonk> akhilesh: 1. use recipient_extention
[23:40:06] <sysmonk> 2. use regexp map
[23:40:15] <akhilesh> how to do each of them ?
[23:40:46] <sysmonk> err, recipient_delimiter that is
[23:40:52] <sysmonk> recipient_delimiter=-
[23:40:59] <akhilesh> where ?
[23:41:09] <sysmonk> then messages-ANYTHING at example dot com will go to messages at example dot com
[23:41:32] <akhilesh> thats exactly what I want.
[23:41:50] <sysmonk> with regexp's - just add an alias map with regexp type and make it /^messages-\d\d\d\d at example dot com/ messages at example dot com
[23:41:58] <sysmonk> or whatever regexp you like
[23:42:09] <akhilesh> but where to do these things ?
[23:42:57] <akhilesh> Do I need to configure config files ? or put them in my home directory ? Actually, messages at example dot com is forwarded to my user1 at example dot com    as messages is not a unix user.
[23:43:02] <sysmonk> where do you do ANYTHING in postfix?!
[23:43:03] <sysmonk> :)
[23:43:12] <Xcaliber009> sysmonk: Thanks I'll take a look at that
[23:43:42] <akhilesh> oh, cool.. I just saw that the delimiter is +
[23:43:57] <akhilesh> so does it mean that mesages+anything@ will go to messages ?
[23:44:18] <sysmonk> yes
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[23:44:35] <mxmasster> hello
[23:44:38] <akhilesh> I hope I do everything in /etc/postfix/main.cf ... right
[23:44:39] <akhilesh> ?
[23:44:44] <mxmasster> with virtual aliases
[23:44:51] <mxmasster> how do I deliver email to an application
[23:44:54] <sysmonk> werever your distro puts that, but yes, main.cf
[23:45:05] <mxmasster> with aliases i can name: "|/path/to/script.pl"
[23:45:08] <akhilesh> cool. Thanks sysmonk.
[23:45:10] <sysmonk> mxmasster: pipe it
[23:45:15] <sysmonk> mxmasster: right
[23:45:27] <mxmasster> so i have
[23:45:30] <mxmasster> @foo.com "|/usr/local/etc/postfix/typo.pl"
[23:45:35] <mxmasster> which failes
[23:45:42] <mxmasster> (s/failes/fails/) correction: which fails
[23:46:03] <sysmonk> alias_maps can't have @foo.com afair
[23:46:06] <mxmasster> postfix is trying to deliver to |/usr/local/etc/postfix/typo.pl at foo dot com
[23:46:13] <mxmasster> sysmonk: not alias maps
[23:46:15] <mxmasster> virtual
[23:46:17] <sysmonk> and virtual_alias_maps can't pipe to command
[23:46:23] <sysmonk> virtual doesn't support delivering to a command
[23:46:32] <mxmasster> okay
[23:46:34] <sysmonk> security reasons
[23:46:42] <sysmonk> mxmasster: just alias it to a local alias
[23:46:48] <mxmasster> sure
[23:46:50] <sysmonk> i.e. @foo.com something@localhost
[23:46:52] <mxmasster> that's easy enough
[23:46:59] <sysmonk> and add a something alias in /etc/aliases
[23:47:03] <sysmonk> which pipes it to your command
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[23:47:17] <vice-versa> !virtual2local
[23:47:18] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual2local" : virtual(8) to local(8) aliases(5) : Create a local alias as usual, name: value1, value2, ... then add the virtual alias as, user at domain dot tld name@localhost (localhost can be substituted for any domain listed in mydestination)
[23:47:36] <sysmonk> vice-versa: /me didn't know that factoid
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[23:48:03] <vice-versa> I was thinking that was the case ;)
[23:48:49] <sysmonk> ;P
[23:49:53] <pickcoder> mxmasster: create a pipe transport and use transport maps
[23:50:23] <mxmasster> pickcoder: the virtual to local seems to work fine for us
[23:50:39] <pickcoder> I prefer to use a pipe transport because I can run it as a specific user
[23:50:52] <pickcoder> if you need per-user permissions then that should work better
[23:54:04] <sysmonk> yup
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[23:59:46] <vice-versa> guess we have a virtualpipe factoid
[23:59:58] <vice-versa> s/we/we should/





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