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[00:06:51] <DarKPhoX7133> sasl anyone?
[00:06:56] <DarKPhoX7133> *prods it*
[00:08:38] <Ramattack> here you are an easy way to configure sasl auth http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch_p3
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[00:10:30] <sahil> !sasl
[00:10:30] <knoba> sahil: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[00:10:41] <sahil> RTFM
[00:10:53] <DarKPhoX7133> I want to use SASL PLAIN AUTH, no mysql lark
[00:10:55] <DarKPhoX7133> PAM please :)
[00:11:09] <DarKPhoX7133> ive used the book + an online tutorial and both are fine, btu its still not working
[00:11:10] <razym> request denied
[00:11:13] <razym> :p
[00:11:22] <sahil> DarKPhoX7133: fail.
[00:11:22] <DarKPhoX7133> i can use test sasl
[00:11:29] <DarKPhoX7133> using teh programm
[00:11:31] <DarKPhoX7133> and and it works
[00:11:37] <DarKPhoX7133> and posfix works on its own
[00:11:41] <DarKPhoX7133> they dont talk to each other tho ;'(
[00:11:45] <sahil> show logs (paste them somewhere), show your postconf -n and other relevant configuration excerpts.
[00:11:46] <DarKPhoX7133> DarKPhoX /cry
[00:11:54] <DarKPhoX7133> pastebin?
[00:12:56] <sahil> whatever your fancy.
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[00:14:34] <DarKPhoX7133> http://pastebin.com/m35a50330
[00:14:38] <DarKPhoX7133> there u go <3
[00:15:55] <Ramattack> bye mates
[00:16:00] <Ramattack> should go :)
[00:16:01] <Ramattack> see u
[00:17:47] <DarKPhoX7133> ?
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[00:25:33] <DarKPhoX7133> ???
[00:25:41] <DarKPhoX7133> :)
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[00:50:16] <rob0> What's the question? We can't tell you why auth fails. Wrong credentials, probably. Your imapd user login attempts are as "harker", but that fails too.
[00:50:19] <rob0> !sasl
[00:50:20] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
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[01:38:51] <DarKPhoX7133> hmm
[01:38:58] <DarKPhoX7133> Rob0 the username and password are correct
[01:39:59] <DarKPhoX7133> :(
[01:40:47] <DarKPhoX7133> Sep  8 00:39:33 Karma-net saslauthd[3885]: DEBUG: auth_pam: pam_authenticate failed: Module is unknown
[01:40:50] <DarKPhoX7133> could this be the problem?
[01:42:44] <DarKPhoX7133> when u run testsasld i get : 0: OK "Success."
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[01:48:19] <DarKPhoX7133> Anyone got 5 mins to discuss sasl?
[01:48:33] <DarKPhoX7133> ive followed the tutorials to the letter and its just not working :\, and ive tried three now :(
[01:48:43] <DarKPhoX7133> it makes no sense
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[01:58:00] <DarKPhoX7133> :\
[01:58:03] <DarKPhoX7133> ive sorted it
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[01:58:43] <DarKPhoX7133> I changed /etc/default/saslauthd to use MECHANISMS="shadow" instead of MECHANISMS="PAM"
[01:58:51] <DarKPhoX7133> its good enough for me :)
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[01:59:00] <DarKPhoX7133> Thanks to those who tried to help anyway
[01:59:05] <DarKPhoX7133> <3 im happy its fixyed
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[02:02:37] <DarKPhoX7133> im off to sleeps now, laters
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[03:01:31] <echelon> hi, if the smtp port is blocked by the isp, could i just setup a secure smtp server?
[03:02:16] <lunaphyte> probably not.  blocked which way?
[03:03:10] <higuita> if incoming port 25 to your server is blocked, you CANT receive emails, smtp is based in port 25 only
[03:03:39] <higuita> if you are talking in sending to port 25, you CANT SENT emails
[03:04:13] <higuita> but you can relay then to your ISP or use submission port if you control a remote SMTP server
[03:04:40] <echelon> inbound smtp
[03:05:00] <lunaphyte> not much you can do.
[03:05:14] <higuita> if you control a remote server and want to receive emails, you can set that one as the MX and then relay all the email to your server, to a nom-standard and open port
[03:05:44] <echelon> yeah, a reflector :\
[03:05:48] <lunaphyte> of course, if you could do that, then you would probably just use that server as your server.
[03:05:52] <echelon> what's port 587 for?
[03:06:03] <lunaphyte> that's submission.
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[03:06:11] <higuita> but that is basically having a external mail server and use a push system (smtp) instead of a pull (pop3/imap)
[03:06:12] <lunaphyte> for conversations between muas and mtas
[03:06:27] <echelon> i'm reading up on it, but why are people saying it's an alternative for port 25?
[03:06:41] <lunaphyte> it's not.
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[03:06:58] <lunaphyte> that's just someone's mis-guided interpretation.
[03:07:18] <echelon> i see
[03:07:37] <lunaphyte> both happen to use the smtp protocol, so whoever wrote what you're reading probably just made poor assumptions based on that.
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[03:07:44] <higuita> when your email client wants to send email, you can use the normal port 25, or if port 25 is blocked, use the submission port (smtp with auth) as workaround
[03:08:40] <lunaphyte> it's really intended to simply provide a distinction between muas talking to mtas, and mtas talking to mtas.
[03:08:42] <higuita> but no smtp server will try to talk to other port other than 25, unless it was explicit configure for doing that for each server
[03:08:52] <higuita> yep
[03:09:15] <echelon> but how do secure smtp servers work then?
[03:09:19] <echelon> they use different ports
[03:09:22] <higuita> no
[03:09:25] <lunaphyte> presently, submitting mail for delivery from your mta should be done via port 587, regardless of whether or not port 25 is or isn't blocked anyway.
[03:09:29] <lunaphyte> they can
[03:10:14] <higuita> after the ehlo, if the server reports TLS (starttlx), they switch from plain text to encrypted in the same connection
[03:10:30] <echelon> oh, so they do both use 25 then?
[03:10:38] <lunaphyte> there's is starttls, which is just an encrypted conversation using the traditional smtp port, 25.  then there's smtps, which is smtp wrapped in tls, and uses port 465.
[03:11:01] <lunaphyte> smtps is generally considered to be deprecated, for the most part, these days.
[03:11:18] <higuita> SSL starts the connection already encrypted, TLS starts as plain text and switch to encrypted ... that is why port 25 can accept both plain and encrypted
[03:11:19] <echelon> ah, gotcha
[03:11:42] <lunaphyte> ssl and tls are the same thing.
[03:12:00] <lunaphyte> either can behave either way.
[03:12:16] <higuita> no
[03:12:22] <lunaphyte> yes
[03:12:36] <higuita> SSL is ONLY encrypted
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[03:12:40] <higuita> TLS starts as plain and switch to SSL
[03:12:55] <lunaphyte> tls is simply a contemporary term for sslv3.
[03:13:06] <lunaphyte> higuita: sorry, that's not accurate.
[03:13:37] <higuita> check the openssl s_client -help and check the starttls
[03:14:19] <echelon> there's two different libs for ssl and tls
[03:14:24] <higuita> the encryptation is the same for ssl and tls, but both behave diferently on the way they start
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[03:14:52] <higuita> not really, it just the openssl/gnutls
[03:15:42] <lunaphyte> netscape "invented" ssl, and when it became ubiquitous enough to grow on it's own in the open source community, the ietf published an rfc formalizing sslV3 as tlsv1.
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[03:15:56] <higuita> its really just a matter when the encryptation starts, but a TLS cant connect to a SSL because of they expect different things on the start of the connection
[03:15:57] <lunaphyte> they are they same thing.  anyone who is telling you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
[03:16:36] <higuita> they are the same encryptation, yes, but a TLS cant connect to a SSL and vice versa
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[03:16:57] <lunaphyte> wrong.
[03:16:57] <echelon> from my understanding, with ssl you do the key exchange as soon as there's a connection established
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[03:17:22] <echelon> for tls, you tell the host that your client supports tls then you exchange keys
[03:17:36] <higuita> SSL=https, smtps, pops, imaps TLS=smtp+starttls, pop3+starttls, imap+starttls, ftp+startls
[03:17:43] <higuita> yes
[03:17:50] <lunaphyte> echelon: you have the right idea, but don't get hung up on there being a difference between tls and ssl
[03:17:51] <higuita> echelon: you are right
[03:18:20] <lunaphyte> higuita: you are spreading mis-information.
[03:18:36] <higuita> 8)
[03:19:23] <higuita> lunaphyte: then explain the openssl s_client -ssl3 and -tls1 options
[03:19:41] <higuita> they are different (although VERY close)
[03:20:05] <lunaphyte> to put it accurately, with smtps, encryption is employed immediately upon connection.  with starttls, encryption is employed post connection, and only if the client requests it. either approach can use either "ssl" or "tls", although these days, no one in their right mind would use sslv2.
[03:20:07] <higuita> the difference is the way either start up
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[03:20:48] <echelon> the two of you are describing the same thing lol
[03:20:51] <lunaphyte> you're basing your misinformed argument on the semantics that a program's arguments employ?
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[03:21:55] <higuita> lunaphyte:  -ssl2, -ssl3, -tls1, -no_ssl2, -no_ssl3, -no_tls1
[03:21:56] <higuita>            these options disable the use of certain SSL or TLS protocols. By default the initial handshake uses a method which should
[03:21:58] <higuita>            be compatible with all servers and permit them to use SSL v3, SSL v2 or TLS as appropriate.
[03:21:58] <lunaphyte> echelon: not realy.  he seems to think that there's some distinction between ssl and tls.
[03:22:37] <higuita> read the s_client man page! SSL2 is not the same as SSL3 and not the same as TLS1
[03:22:52] <higuita> again, they are close, but not the same
[03:23:17] <higuita> if they were the same, the man page would say "ssl3 is a alias for tls1"
[03:24:14] <higuita> in theory, you can have http+tls1 and that is different from the https
[03:24:46] <lunaphyte> sigh.
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[03:27:03] <lunaphyte> again, you're basing your argument on the terms employed in arguments to employ particular approaches to using the various protocols, and tossing in a healthy dose of assumptions on top of that.
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[03:28:08] <higuita> from wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Sockets_Layer): There are slight differences between SSL and TLS, but they are essentially the same.
[03:30:29] <echelon> so if ssl+smtp uses a different port altogether, wouldn't remote servers be able to deliver its messages to you? or would they still deliver port 25?
[03:30:41] <higuita> but using your own kind of words, ssl3 and tls1 uses different approaches to use the same encryptation
[03:30:53] <higuita> echelon: yes, smtp ONLY used port 25
[03:30:54] <echelon> hmm, i'm guessing ssl+smtp is only for users then?
[03:31:11] <echelon> for outgoing
[03:31:12] <lunaphyte> right.
[03:31:16] <echelon> got it
[03:31:17] <echelon> thanks
[03:31:22] <lunaphyte> not outgoing - subbmission.
[03:31:29] <lunaphyte> err, submission
[03:31:29] <echelon> right right
[03:31:36] <higuita> the MX dns dont have any field for the port, so all connection go for port 25 and only port 25
[03:32:12] <echelon> they should just change it to SRV records
[03:32:36] <lunaphyte> a lot of people have made that argument.
[03:32:46] <lunaphyte> for other services as well, notably http
[03:32:58] <echelon> that would be the day
[03:32:59] <echelon> lol
[03:33:01] <lunaphyte> but as usual, there's a chicken/egg problem.
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[03:33:18] <lunaphyte> srv records are the laserdisc of RRs.
[03:33:22] <echelon> yeah, some dns hosts don't even support srv yet
[03:33:49] <lunaphyte> it's been around for ages, and is a great idea, for for some reason, it just never got picked up/
[03:33:55] <lunaphyte> *but for.
[03:34:06] <echelon> just needs someone to implement it
[03:34:08] <higuita> IIRC, there are plans to do that, but no ones really uses SRV yet and it would take AGES to change anything in smtp (you still have severs that dont allow 8bits emails, much less TLS, SRV and others things)
[03:34:29] <echelon> who wants to join me?
[03:35:47] <higuita> i thing SRV have failled because there arent any good libs to make easy developers use it, and some programs would need a redesign to work with then
[03:37:00] <echelon> i'll put that on my todo list
[03:37:36] <higuita> i would welcome alot SRV entries!! ;)
[03:38:12] <higuita> no more crapy hardware load balancers and port redirects!!
[03:38:45] <echelon> right after implementing vpn through nat traverse
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[03:42:47] <echelon> the slogan for this project should.. "freeing the web from ports" :D
[03:43:15] <echelon> s/.../be.../
[03:43:30] <magyar> fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for 127.0.1.1  <<< what is this
[03:43:39] <magyar> I never heard of 127.0.1.1
[03:44:06] <echelon> d'oh.. i've seen this earlier
[03:44:19] <echelon> it still directs to your loopback
[03:44:45] <echelon> that's all i can say on the matter
[03:44:59] <rob0> Looks like you have a typo in your master.cf, according to my Magic Crystal Ball.
[03:45:11] <magyar> bahh, its a debian thing. It assigns 127.0.1.1 during setup
[03:45:11] <rob0> main.cf that is
[03:45:25] <echelon> magyar: yeah, that's why
[03:45:34] <magyar> rob0:  /etc/hosts
[03:45:36] <echelon> debian autoconfigures it
[03:46:12] <echelon> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128
[03:46:25] <echelon> i think that's what it looks like for magyar as well, correct?
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[03:47:25] <magyar> echelon: hmm?  my issue was a hosts problem that was assigned during the install and I never modified it
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[03:48:04] <magyar> so it was resolving to $myhostname
[03:48:25] <echelon> oh ok, so you figured it out?
[03:49:41] <magyar> echelon: uh-huh, thanks
[03:52:13] <magyar> rob0: it happened to me before, kind of neat that postfix tries resolving "myhostname" given in main.cf
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[05:39:03] <lunaphyte> all of 127/8 is loopback.  some folks choose to use addresses other than 127.0.0.1
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[05:46:11] <dvl__> anyone knows how fix this: http://pastebin.com/m6ecf2714 ?
[05:52:39] <rob0> Did you ask in your Debian (or whatever distro) channel?
[05:53:22] <echelon> rob0: i thought i knew you from somewhere :D
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[05:58:55] <echelon> i hate how debian packages a single package into multiple packages.. like how they split up the pop3, imap and smtp.. i thouht one of the major points of postfix is that it's all-in-one?
[05:59:27] <echelon> they think they know better than the original developers
[05:59:38] <rob0> !pop3
[05:59:40] <knoba> rob0: Error: "pop3" is not a valid command.
[05:59:49] <rob0> !imap
[05:59:50] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : (#1) is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a local client to access e-mail on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP), or (#2) postfix is not an imap or pop server
[06:00:02] <echelon> it's not?
[06:00:11] <rob0> never was, never will be
[06:00:55] <echelon> then how come they have packages called postfix-{imap,pop3}
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[06:01:05] <rob0> who has those packages?
[06:01:18] <rob0> ask the packager why
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[06:03:49] <echelon> oi... now i feel silly
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[06:05:28] <rob0> !forget imap *
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[06:07:36] <rob0> !learn imap as IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[06:07:56] <rob0> !courier
[06:07:57] <knoba> rob0: "courier" : an alternative MTA to Postfix. Parts of it (maildrop, IMAP server and POP3 server) are often used by Postfix users as well. See: www.courier-mta.org or #courier
[06:08:08] <rob0> !dovecot
[06:08:08] <knoba> rob0: Error: "dovecot" is not a valid command.
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[06:09:45] <rob0> !learn dovecot as http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix.
[06:12:41] <rob0> !learn pop3 as POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol ). Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[06:12:52] <rob0> !forget dovecot
[06:13:26] <rob0> !learn dovecot as http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; recent versions can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix 2.3+.
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[07:06:05] <yousef> I'm a little bit confused about the files that CA.pl (from openssl) generate... which one is which? i.e. what should I set smtpd_tls_{cert_|key_|CA}file to? the ca(1) manpage doesn't say what the different files are.
[07:07:56] <yousef> (by the way, I'm following http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/postfix_tls_support.html, but some of the information in that document seems to be outdated)
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[07:09:45] <vice-versa> !tls_readme
[07:09:47] <knoba> vice-versa: "tls_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html : Transport Layer Security (TLS/SSL) features in Postfix
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[07:10:12] <yousef> thanks.
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[08:21:55] <bosnianboy> hi all
[08:22:03] <bosnianboy> need some quick help if possible
[08:22:23] <f3ew> ask
[08:22:27] <bosnianboy> how do I force postfix to deliver by mx
[08:22:42] <bosnianboy> server has same name as domian
[08:22:50] <f3ew> Postfix will deliver by MX unless overridden by trnasport_maps or relayhost
[08:22:51] <bosnianboy> but mx server is diferent
[08:23:23] <bosnianboy> so when I try to send to some address office@server
[08:23:30] <bosnianboy> it doesnt go to mx
[08:23:37] <bosnianboy> it gets bounced localy
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[08:26:03] <shasta> !mydestination
[08:26:04] <knoba> shasta: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[08:29:15] <bosnianboy> tnx, worked fine
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[09:44:31] <Ramattack> Hi!!!
[09:44:51] <Ramattack> mates, if I disallow dsn in postfix.... can bounces of permanent failures be delivered to senders?
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[09:47:57] <f3ew> bounces still go
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[09:54:17] <Ramattack> Ok :) thanks a lot mate
[09:54:29] <Ramattack> bye!!!
[09:54:35] <Ramattack> that was only :)
[09:54:37] <Ramattack> bye!!!
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[10:32:26] <diego> hi, i'm trying to relay mail from one mta to another, but i get this: Sep  8 04:30:09 ip-10-250-111-79 postfix/smtp[7593]: AC06F1A816: to=<root at modcloth dot com>, relay=dev2.richapplabs.com[69.65.40.18]:25, delay=0.11, delays=0/0/0.08/0.03, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host dev2.richapplabs.com[69.65.40.18] said: 550 authentication required (in reply to RCPT TO command))
[10:33:45] <diego> anyone knows what could i do in order to make it work?
[10:34:04] <sysmonk> is the second mta yours?
[10:34:08] <f3ew> you need to auth to the other MTA
[10:34:08] <diego> yes
[10:34:21] <sysmonk> diego: then you can add your first mta's ip to mynetworks
[10:34:26] <sysmonk> OR what f3ew said
[10:34:32] <diego> ok
[10:34:37] <diego> thanks ;)
[10:34:39] <sysmonk> f3ew's solution is good if you have dynamic ip on the first mta
[10:34:58] <shasta> diego, http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[10:35:17] <shasta> or http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mynetworks
[10:35:19] <shasta> (:
[10:35:24] <diego> awesome, thanks
[10:35:37] <diego> :)
[10:35:41] <sysmonk> 99.99$
[10:35:47] <sysmonk> oh, there were 3 of us who answered
[10:35:50] <sysmonk> so 99.99$ * 3
[10:36:35] <sysmonk> f3ew: i used your cv as a template, but bah, mine sucks :P
[10:36:41] <sysmonk> don't have much experience to write there :P
[10:36:42] <diego> heh
[10:37:12] <diego> does the second mta has to be postfix, or it can be anything? i will run postfix as my second mta, but just curious
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[10:37:24] <sysmonk> can be anything
[10:37:30] <sysmonk> even sexchange
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[10:44:54] <f3ew> sysmonk, list all the technologies you know
[10:45:00] <f3ew> you have the same experience I do
[10:49:29] <diego> f3ew: what technologies you know?
[10:49:39] <diego> :p
[10:50:26] <diego> postfix, perl, linux?
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[10:53:24] <sysmonk> f3ew: if i used postgresql for 5 days, i don't want to list it as a thing i know
[10:53:36] <pluesch0r> morning. i'm trying to configure an alias (virtual mail setup) to pipe some mail to a script .. somehow postfix doesn't seem to recognise the string i'm submitting as a script, thus doesn't execute it. i'm trying to configure http://www.redmine.org/wiki/1/RedmineReceivingEmails - what am i doing wrong?
[10:53:48] <sysmonk> if i went to oracle courses and used it for 3 weeks, and don't remember a shit right now, i don't want to list it ;)
[10:54:56] <f3ew> sysmonk true
[10:55:06] <f3ew> diego, a few more
[10:55:27] <f3ew> http://dvb.homelinux.org/~devdas/resume.pdf
[10:55:45] <f3ew> I know just enough BGP to be dangerous
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[10:57:34] <blight> All, I wish to filter on subject line and redirect email to two different addresses - I see header_check and REDIRECT command solves half of this problem - anyway to bouce to two different addresses?
[10:57:40] <sysmonk> f3ew: hehe, yeah, i don't know it enough to be dangerous too
[10:57:50] <diego> f3ew: nice cv
[10:58:01] <sysmonk> i fucked up lithuanian universities ipv6 connectivity for the whole weekend
[10:58:17] <sysmonk> (we had peering with them, and they didn't filter routes....)
[10:58:25] <f3ew> blight redirect to an address in virtual_alias_maps
[10:58:30] <f3ew> sysmonk, "oops"
[10:58:39] <sysmonk> f3ew: yeah, "oops" :)
[10:58:46] <f3ew> Did you advertise [::0]/0?
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[10:58:50] <Knoedel2> hi all
[10:58:53] <sysmonk> f3ew: yeah
[10:59:14] <Knoedel2> is it possible to use mynetworks with an cidr map and exclude hosts with ! ?
[10:59:18] <sysmonk> that is, i had two peers - one with university and one with some v6 tunnel abroad
[10:59:18] <f3ew> yes]
[10:59:26] <Knoedel2> currently i'm using a hash
[10:59:35] <sysmonk> we had a very awful tunel with them, and ... it happened that i advertised that tunnels routes to university
[10:59:46] <f3ew> !127.0.0.1, cidr:/etc/postfix/mynetworks.cidr
[10:59:47] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "127.0.0.1," is not a valid command.
[10:59:55] <diego> f3ew: i have 8 years of linux experience now too, but i'm a noob with mta's. i'm currently working with voip stuff (freeswitch/asterisk)
[11:00:01] <Knoedel2> thanks f3ew :)
[11:00:04] <f3ew> nice
[11:00:13] <sysmonk> i don't know where should i start counting my experience
[11:00:19] * f3ew doesn't have enough Asterisk experience to be dangerous
[11:00:21] <sysmonk> when i first had my official job?
[11:00:24] <sysmonk> when i started freelancing?
[11:00:33] <f3ew> as early as possible
[11:00:37] <Trengo> list everything
[11:00:47] <Trengo> and include hobbies
[11:00:50] <sysmonk> or when i runed bitchx on my computer in mandrake and thought that after /detach i can turn off the computer and then power it up next day and i'd be still in irc
[11:00:53] <diego> f3ew: if you need to do voip sometime, check freeswitch, it's awesome :)
[11:01:21] <diego> it's like the "postfix" of the voip, whereas asterisk like sendmail
[11:01:39] <sysmonk> postfix is voip
[11:01:44] <sysmonk> didn't you know that?
[11:01:52] <diego> nope :p
[11:02:12] <sysmonk> postfix can do voip! you just define a tunnel to a voice syntesator ( or what it's called ) ?
[11:02:12] <diego> well, fs is similar to apache design... i think
[11:02:31] <diego> hehe nice
[11:02:35] <shasta> "synthesizer"
[11:02:47] <pluesch0r> do i need to set up a special transport?
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[11:03:35] <f3ew> pluesch0r, a transport, or virtual_alias_maps -> an address to a domain in mydestination -> pipe
[11:04:23] <pluesch0r> f3ew: i didn't quite get that .. how do i define the alias to be delivered to a pipe?
[11:04:51] <pluesch0r> f3ew: do i need to create a transport type for that purpose?
[11:05:31] <vice-versa> !virtual2local
[11:05:31] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual2local" : virtual(8) to local(8) aliases(5) : Create a local alias as usual, name: value1, value2, ... then add the virtual alias as, user at domain dot tld name@localhost (localhost can be substituted for any domain listed in mydestination)
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[11:12:49] <pluesch0r> f3ew, vice-versa: thanksa bunch - it's working now. :)
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[11:30:47] <adnc> i can't get hotmail to deliver my mails into the inbox. it delivers all my mails into junk-folder. spf is set also dkim what else does this shitty service need?
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[11:39:09] <f3ew> ask postmaster at hotmail dot com
[11:43:17] <sysmonk> !hotmail
[11:43:17] <sysmonk> ;)
[11:43:17] <knoba> sysmonk: "hotmail" : http://www.circleid.com/posts/hotmail_running_own_smtp/ : See the !SenderID channel factoid too.
[11:43:33] <adnc> f3ew: i did, he said go ask f3ew
[11:43:58] <adnc> and also he wishes you his regards
[11:44:14] <f3ew> hehe
[11:44:25] <vice-versa> adnc: consider yourself lucky they're being delivered at all
[11:44:37] <sysmonk> adnc: then tell him that f3ew asked them to put all your mails into inboxes
[11:44:38] <adnc> vice-versa: how you mean?
[11:44:41] <sysmonk> and send them their regards
[11:44:50] <sysmonk> s/their/f3ew's/
[11:44:56] <adnc> sysmonk: i did he said, f3ew isnt that important to take him serious
[11:44:58] <sysmonk> adnc: read the link
[11:45:10] <adnc> circled?
[11:45:13] <sysmonk> yes
[11:45:16] <adnc> yes i will read it
[11:45:21] <f3ew> Also, SNDS is your friend
[11:45:27] <adnc> snds?
[11:45:28] <sysmonk> then read it, and then come back here ;)
[11:45:29] <vice-versa> adnc: hotmail is known for silently discarding mail
[11:45:52] <sysmonk> their filters are based on randomness
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[11:46:08] <adnc> on randomness based filter?
[11:46:12] <sysmonk> yeah
[11:46:18] <adnc> sounds pretty bad
[11:46:22] <adnc> and unusefull
[11:46:49] <sysmonk> 'what should we do with this mail? hmmm rand() returns 2 so i'll discard it this time'
[11:51:02] <adnc> ohh i did read it, but i do have a spf record, and hope it is working ok. if someone could confirm this the domain is dinc.org
[11:51:16] <sysmonk> adnc: SPF doesn't help, really
[11:51:25] <adnc> sysmonk: thats what i found out aswell
[11:51:33] <sysmonk> maybe it adds some more randomness, but doesn't help much
[11:51:41] <adnc> also i'm playing with dkim
[11:51:42] <vice-versa> lol
[11:51:53] <adnc> but thats what micro*** says
[11:52:01] <sysmonk> adnc: there was a 'hack' on delivering to hotmail
[11:52:08] <adnc> ohh
[11:52:12] <sysmonk> some say that adding a header with received from with hotmail address might help
[11:52:30] <adnc> sysmonk: it is not of mee, i do not really have any destiantion email friends on hotmail but all my users do have
[11:52:46] <adnc> sysmonk: what about your domain=
[11:52:48] <sysmonk> adnc: yeah i understand, neither do i;)
[11:53:00] <sysmonk> adnc: my mailserver *magically* passed hotmail
[11:53:04] <adnc> all these guys here, they must have the same problem
[11:53:05] <sysmonk> although it doesn't have dkim nor spf
[11:53:10] <vice-versa> they definitely parse headers for their msg IDs
[11:53:11] <adnc> hehe
[11:53:12] <sysmonk> passes*
[11:53:29] <adnc> msg id's ok but what can this change
[11:53:37] <adnc> or how is it then filtered
[11:53:39] <sysmonk> but my other mail server with a fresh ip (never used before) and dkim and spf - uses the random algorithm
[11:53:48] <sysmonk> i tried sending _THE SAME_ email a few times
[11:53:54] <sysmonk> nothing changed ( except the timestamps)
[11:54:02] <vice-versa> I heard a rumour they use pigeons to sort their inbound mail
[11:54:08] <sysmonk> and it discarded it a few times, put to trash most of the time, and a few times delivered to inbox
[11:54:11] <sysmonk> really. rand();
[11:54:38] <vice-versa> !senderid
[11:54:38] <knoba> vice-versa: "senderid" : Having hotmail delivery issues? - Consider having your server added to the Microsoft Sender ID program. Get your house in order first! Add a reverse dns ptr record for the ip of the server, forward should match reverse and helo. Create a valid spf record for the domain(s) then wander on over to https://support.msn.com/eform.aspx?productKey=senderid&ct=eformts and submit your request to be added
[11:54:49] <adnc> sysmonk: i have a user he can send mails to hotmail, after several emails it did arrive then
[11:55:20] <sysmonk> adnc: also rumours say there's more randomness with outshit clients
[11:55:20] <adnc> vice-versa: i did these steps all
[11:55:22] <sysmonk> err, outlook
[11:55:33] <adnc> sysmonk: what is an outshit client?
[11:55:39] <sysmonk> outlook
[11:55:45] <adnc> ahh
[11:55:50] <adnc> i do not use that outlook
[11:56:03] <vice-versa> adnc: did you get a response back from a ms tech?
[11:56:35] <adnc> vice-versa: not yet, i did the hole procedure month ago again, and there i did get one response that everything has been done, but still didnt work. then never again
[11:56:53] <sysmonk> really? you should be happy then
[11:57:04] <sysmonk> i've sent the stuff to postmaster a year ago
[11:57:11] <adnc> maybe there mails do arrive in my junk-mail folder ;-) (just joking, i would see it)
[11:57:13] <sysmonk> repeated it a few times in this period
[11:57:17] <sysmonk> didn't get any rely... yet...
[11:57:21] <adnc> sysmonk: but no answer
[11:57:41] <adnc> yes thats same here. i dont know i think i got that reply to a send file on a msn webpage
[11:57:44] <adnc> support page
[11:58:18] <adnc> there is an email address which test all these stuff, (recommended from microsoft hotmail)
[11:58:31] <sysmonk> devnull at hotmail dot com ?
[11:58:32] <sysmonk> ;)
[11:58:34] <adnc> check-auth at verifier dot port25.com
[11:58:36] <adnc> this here
[11:58:48] <adnc> the returning mail looks in my case ok.
[11:58:56] <adnc> except that dkim is not signing the maisl yet
[11:59:25] <adnc> hotmail is a book with seven seals
[11:59:29] <vice-versa> well I've done it more times than I care to remember, but I always got a reply within a few days, week max., and no delivery issues after that
[11:59:55] <adnc> vice-versa: have you the same problem
[12:00:08] <sysmonk> vice-versa: they might be not liking '3rd world countries' ;)
[12:00:20] <adnc> sysmonk: germany ;-)
[12:00:28] <sysmonk> adnc: 4rth world country! :)
[12:00:31] <sysmonk> lithuania here
[12:00:35] <vice-versa> yeah maybe, fuck knows, nothing with them seems to make any sense
[12:01:12] <sysmonk> vice-versa: did you use outlook to send mail to them? :P
[12:01:21] <adnc> actually very strange, email is the oldest service on internet and it is getting a mess. if all these stupid idiots wouldnt use hotmail we wouldnt have that issue now
[12:02:54] <vice-versa> I've seen the worst possible servers have no issues and the best configured ones have silent discards, no rhyme or reason to it at all
[12:04:07] <sysmonk> yup
[12:04:17] <adnc> http://de.pastebin.ca/1197071
[12:04:30] <adnc> could someone have here a look if there is something obvious i do not see
[12:05:48] <diego> is it possible to relay mails from one mta to gmail?
[12:06:48] <adnc> snds doesn't list anything about my addresses.
[12:07:36] <sysmonk> diego: via gmail? or to gmail? anyway, in both cases - yes
[12:07:53] <sysmonk> adnc: everything's fine as far as i can see
[12:08:33] <adnc> sysmonk: dont tell me everything is fine ;-)
[12:09:11] <diego> sysmonk: via gmail, like... i send mail from postfix, then it uses gmail to deliver the mail as a gateway... or something like that
[12:09:52] <sysmonk> may i ask why you want to do so ?
[12:10:05] <sysmonk> sounds like spammmmm :P
[12:10:55] <diego> heh, yeah
[12:11:04] <diego> seems like google blocks ec2
[12:11:08] <shasta> [10:35:08] < shasta> diego, http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[12:11:17] <diego> right, thanks
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[12:15:04] <adnc> sysmonk: do you have any ideas why my mails aren't signed for dkim
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[12:15:35] <sysmonk> misconfigured postfix? :)
[12:15:59] <cpm> mismonked sysfigured?
[12:16:05] <adnc> heheh
[12:16:33] <sysmonk> adnc: dkim != domainkeys
[12:16:46] <adnc> sysmonk: but on postfix there is not much to configure, is there?
[12:16:48] <sysmonk> you have dkim, but don't have domainkeys
[12:17:00] <sysmonk> so that might be the 'problem'
[12:17:12] <adnc> sysmonk: can you point me to a propper documentation
[12:17:16] <sysmonk> adnc: i don't even know what you're using, we didn't see anything from your side except that pastebin
[12:17:24] <adnc> i do have
[12:17:27] <adnc> smtpd_milters = unix:dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock
[12:17:27] <adnc> non_smtpd_milters = unix:dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock
[12:17:37] <adnc> sysmonk: right, moment, i show you the main.cf
[12:17:54] <sysmonk> adnc: did you read what i say ? dkim != domainkeys
[12:17:59] <sysmonk> and you do have dkim-signed email
[12:18:09] <adnc> !domainkeys
[12:18:10] <knoba> adnc: Error: "domainkeys" is not a valid command.
[12:18:54] <adnc> sysmonk: i see domainkeys, no, i didint find anything yet to it
[12:19:14] <sysmonk> adnc: domainkeys < dkim
[12:19:24] <adnc> sysmonk: i need more information
[12:19:29] <sysmonk> dkim is 'modified' domainkeys with some improvments
[12:19:43] <sysmonk> on what?
[12:19:47] <sysmonk> differences between those?
[12:19:48] <adnc> how can i find some more information on domainkeys
[12:19:59] <sysmonk> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4870 <--- domainkeys
[12:20:01] <adnc> i would like to have mails dkim signed
[12:20:02] <f3ew> !dkim
[12:20:03] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "dkim" is not a valid command.
[12:20:07] <sysmonk> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4871 <--- dkim
[12:20:14] <sysmonk> adnc: YOU DO HAVE
[12:20:15] <sysmonk> damn it
[12:20:44] <sysmonk> adnc: you have your mails signed with DKIM, but not with DomainKeys
[12:20:50] <sysmonk> check the f***** pastebin
[12:21:27] <sysmonk> line 41 tells you it's not domainkeys signed, line 48 tells you it's dkim signed
[12:21:47] <adnc> i thought it is the same
[12:21:53] <sysmonk> i just told you 3 times it's not
[12:22:04] <sysmonk> DKIM != DomainKeys
[12:22:08] <adnc> sysmonk: now i know
[12:22:12] <adnc> yes
[12:22:18] <adnc> thats what i thought in the past
[12:22:28] <adnc> now i need to find out what the heck domainkeys is
[12:22:35] * sysmonk discards all other questions from adnc, going for a smoke
[12:22:45] <adnc> sysmonk: heyy
[12:22:47] <adnc> thank you!
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[12:29:00] <adnc> sysmonk: do i need dkfilter for it?
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[12:34:35] <harlan> hey sysmonk
[12:37:19] <sysmonk> ho harlan
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[12:53:09] <adnc> my configuration of postfix doesnt allow me to send mails to addresses like these O7iyNa at 69 dot 56.15.194
[12:53:22] <adnc> can i manipulate this?
[12:54:02] <f3ew> enclose the ip in []
[13:10:09] <adnc> this is very strange. i created a yahoo account and send an email to three hotmail accounts. all of them did go the junkmail
[13:10:32] <sysmonk> didn't i tell you about being random() ?
[13:10:41] <adnc> yes
[13:10:53] <adnc> but i thought that at least they now a way around
[13:10:54] <sysmonk> they have poor pseudo-random generator, mostly it generates junk
[13:11:11] <sysmonk> 2nd most thing it generates is discard
[13:11:11] <sysmonk> and VERY rarely it generates 'inbox' ;)
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[13:11:47] <adnc> domainkey problem remains, but better i dont ask
[13:13:23] <adnc> does someone know this iste http://69.56.15.194/
[13:13:33] <adnc> it is for testing purposes, my mails do not arrive there
[13:13:46] <adnc> aswell
[13:13:58] <adnc> do they have the same random() function?
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[13:25:17] <djerem> hello
[13:26:55] <adnc> sysmonk: could you send me an email to my hotmail account?
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[14:50:40] <Matze> hey, i have a suse 9.3 server with confixx and i need a new virtual mail alias i have in /etc/postfix/conix... blabla at f00 dot bar web0815p123 and in /etc/postfix/virtual blabla at f00 dot bar web123p12 but the mail will only be deliverd to web0815p123 what is my mistake?
[14:52:44] <Matze> oh sry i forgot the mail shuld be delivered to both mail box'es the one out of ../confix... and the one from .../virtual
[14:53:25] <lunaphyte_> have you told postfix to consult both maps?
[14:54:05] <Matze> you mean in the main.cf virtual_maps ??
[14:54:21] <Matze> virtual_maps =  hash:/etc/postfix/confixx_virtualUsers, hash:/etc/postfix/confixx_localDomains, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[14:55:01] <lunaphyte_> well, sort of.  are you using a very old version of postfix?
[14:56:33] <Matze> postconf -d | grep mail_version
[14:56:33] <Matze> mail_version = 1.1.12
[14:58:27] <lunaphyte_> jesus. you really should upgrade.
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[14:59:54] <adnc> which debian package is suitable for postfix domainkey and dkim? does someone know dkimproxy?
[15:00:20] <adnc> there are no ready packages i found. which software do work with postfix well?
[15:02:02] <lunaphyte_> 1.1.12 is over 6 years old.
[15:02:03] <Matze> i can't ... because of confixx is in version 3 and i need this for a temporali email forwarding on mon+thu mail x to mail y i wrote a shell script and a cronjob for it but they dont work the syntax of the virtual dat is ok but i dont know why they cant delivere to mail x to postbox x and y
[15:02:51] <lunaphyte_> Matze: make sure you postmap your files.
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[15:07:20] <Matze> i use postmap $file in my script after changing the /etc/postfix/virtual
[15:07:34] <Matze> http://pu154r.overlinux.org/emailweiterleitung.sh
[15:11:32] <lunaphyte_> get it working manually before you script it.
[15:11:39] <Matze> no
[15:11:59] <lunaphyte_> if you think you've doing everything right, then show some logs that reveal the behavior you're seeing.
[15:12:06] <lunaphyte_> *done
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[15:15:47] <Matze_> sry did you write anything afeter *done my connection got lost ...
[15:16:02] <lunaphyte_> nope.
[15:21:42] <Matze_> heh i think it is a joke there is nothin in /var/log/mail
[15:32:50] <Trengo> maillog
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[15:34:12] <MrNaz> i cant get my postfix to not use a numeric HELO ... myhostname and smtp_helo_name are both set to the machine's fqdn
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[15:34:39] <MrNaz> how would i go about determining why ?
[15:34:40] <gypsymauro> hi
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[15:35:00] <gypsymauro> what's the best solution for spam with postfix? spamassassin, dsmap or asspsmtp?
[15:35:39] <lunaphyte_> !logs
[15:35:40] <knoba> lunaphyte_: "logs" : by default, postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. Something like grep -i `postconf -h syslog_facility` /etc/syslog.conf or grep -rl `postconf -h syslog_name` /var/log/* should tell you where logs are going.
[15:35:45] <lunaphyte_> Matze_: ^^
[15:36:44] <lunaphyte_> MrNaz: what is postconf smtp_helo_name ?
[15:37:05] <f3ew> and postconf myhostname
[15:37:13] <f3ew> Also, is there a different transport in master.cf?
[15:38:04] <lunaphyte_> gypsymauro: that's subjective.  sa is very popular, but certain folks prefer other software for their own reasons.
[15:39:03] <lunaphyte_> personally, i simply forward all my mail to f3ew.
[15:39:19] * f3ew randomly drops lunaphyte_'s mail
[15:39:28] <f3ew> !cheatsheet
[15:39:29] <knoba> f3ew: "cheatsheet" : http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control.
[15:39:58] * lunaphyte_ randomly blames f3ew.
[15:40:08] <MrNaz> lunaphyte it's the fqdn... it was previously $myhostname but i changed it to be the fqdn directly, but this had no effect
[15:40:19] <MrNaz> hi f3ew !
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[15:40:30] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ ^
[15:40:34] <f3ew> MrNaz, hmmm
[15:40:37] <f3ew> !debug
[15:40:39] <knoba> f3ew: "debug" : http://www.postfix.org/DEBUG_README.html : a good starting point for how to deal with problems and to report information to those who might help. Post your information in a pastebin such as http://pastebin.ca/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ .
[15:40:46] <f3ew> postconf -n and master.cf please
[15:40:48] <lunaphyte_> MrNaz: prove that it's helo-ing as an address.
[15:40:54] <Matze_> ok that is mystical i checked all log for warnings etc. and i found that they deliver to mail x from /etc/postfix/confixx_userAliases but there is nothing about the mail out of /etc/postfix/virtual
[15:41:06] <f3ew> Send a mail to helocheck at cbl dot abuseat.org
[15:41:22] <MrNaz> f3ew / lunaphyte_ ok i'll pastebin that debug info, my master.cf and a received chain from a mail which i will send now
[15:41:28] <f3ew> Matze_, then confixx_* is the file you need to edit
[15:41:47] <Matze_> heh i cant because they intevale new createt from confix
[15:42:06] <MrNaz> f3ew just send that helo_check
[15:42:52] <Matze_> out of i dont know maybe a mysql table or from /dev/urandom but
[15:43:38] <f3ew> Matze_, _add_ another file in the same variable
[15:43:42] <Matze_> i have a second virtual mail adress in /etc/postfix/virtual <-> mail at foo dot bar web34p13
[15:43:45] <Matze_> yes i do
[15:43:59] <f3ew> Did you paste postconf -n?
[15:44:05] <Matze_> in /etc/postfix/confixx... called mail at foo dot bar web123p123
[15:45:30] <Matze_> i think they are right virtual_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/confixx_virtualUsers, hash:/etc/postfix/confixx_localDomains, hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[15:45:36] <MrNaz> f3ew i got this back from helo check:   550 HELO for IP 114.31.73.43 was "mail.mrnaz.com" (in reply to RCPT TO command)      <-- does that mean it is not numeric helo'ing ?
[15:45:45] <f3ew> right
[15:45:58] <f3ew> It HELOed as mail.mrnaz.com
[15:46:10] * f3ew abuses the CBL
[15:46:13] <MrNaz> f3ew hmm... lemme paste you a chain perhaps i'm misunderstanding
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[15:48:42] <Matze_> f3ew: here postconf -n http://pastebin.com/d58407fa6
[15:49:05] <MrNaz> f3ew   http://rafb.net/p/UUqX5D57.html   <-- thats a mail i sent just now... note lines 19 and 39 .... see how it's marking my message up as spam ?
[15:49:52] <lunaphyte_> MrNaz: that's because your ip address has no ptr record.
[15:50:08] <MrNaz> aah
[15:50:29] <MrNaz> well that'll be fixed later this week, i've requested the ptr to point to my fqdn and not their internal hostname scheme
[15:50:34] <lunaphyte_> hmm.  although, it actually does: dig -x 114.31.73.43
[15:50:51] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ yes it does, but its different from the helo fqdn
[15:51:14] <f3ew> I suspect the HELO check is broken
[15:51:26] <lunaphyte_> not having one and having an undesired one are not the same thing.  that system is reporting that it can't find one.
[15:51:26] <f3ew> Becuase Postfix doesn't record the HELO name in the headers
[15:51:56] <MrNaz> f3ew who's HELO check is broken? mine or theirs? in other words, do i have to do something or can i rest on my laurels and point fingers?
[15:52:53] <f3ew> theirs
[15:52:57] <f3ew> point away
[15:53:09] <f3ew> Point to the CBL rejection
[15:53:16] <Dominian> CBL FTW
[15:54:05] <MrNaz> CBL? is that another block list?
[15:54:12] <MrNaz> when are those damn things going to go out of fashion
[15:57:08] <lunaphyte_> when they stop working.
[15:58:23] <f3ew> MrNaz, they work
[15:59:06] <MrNaz> f3ew only when they're not administered by angsty teenagers
[15:59:24] <f3ew> MrNaz true
[15:59:29] <f3ew> the CBL is _good_
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[16:00:24] <MrNaz> well ive only ever had bad experiences with BLs blocking gigantic swathes of the internet
[16:00:52] <MrNaz> i mean... APEWS when i last looked had something like 75% of all routable IPs in the IPv4 space on its list
[16:00:55] <lunaphyte_> even if some jackass decides to start collecting odd categories in some questionable rbl, it's the dumb email admin who uses the rbl that is to blame.
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[16:02:01] <cVsup> i set postfix to relay in external host to send mail
[16:02:03] <MrNaz> lunaphyte very true, but if you're going to take a responsibility on like making a BL, then do it right or dont do it... yea email admins should pick and choose, but its not really reasonable to expect mail admins to keep up to date character profiles of the people who run all the BLs
[16:02:15] <cVsup> and i have nis in my server
[16:02:15] <lunaphyte_> i'm probably splitting hairs here, but i'm so sick of pricks like e360 suing spamhaus.
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[16:02:40] <lunaphyte_> MrNaz: i totally, fundamentally, disagree.
[16:02:44] <cVsup> when user send mail her try authentication in relay host with user nis
[16:02:52] <cVsup> and not user in sasl_passwd
[16:02:57] <cVsup> somebody can help me?
[16:03:21] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ well... i'm a new mail admin (actually been admining my first mail server for 72 hours now) so i'l defer to what is obviously your greater experience in this matter :)
[16:04:03] <lunaphyte_> if you are a good, benevolent admin, it doesn't matter if there are a billion rbls out there that are total garbage, because you'll be bright enough to know, and not use them.  nad if, by chance, you do end up using one, you'll know the moment it causes a problem ,and you'll stop using it.
[16:04:44] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ genuine question... how would you know if a bl was getting a little overzealous?
[16:05:35] <lunaphyte_> that's subjective.  your mail system is either performing/behaving as you desire, or it's not.  if it's not, you figure out why, and if the culprit is an rbl, you decide if you still want to use it or not.
[16:06:21] <lunaphyte_> all that being said - to your point, there are many fewer good admins than bad, unfortunately, and the ends users are the ones that ultimately suffer.
[16:06:25] <lunaphyte_> *end users.
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[16:06:55] <jelly> "we didn't get mail from Very Important Customer and are blaming YOU"
[16:07:05] <PcPixel> Is sender verification considered to be a form of backscatter?
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[16:07:46] <lunaphyte_> which, in some convoluted, counterintuitive manner misdirects a significant portion of the onus onto the wrong party.
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[16:08:06] <lunaphyte_> but at least that way there's someone to sue!  let's just sue!
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[16:08:22] <lunaphyte_> PcPixel: not backscatter - denial of service.
[16:08:58] <PcPixel> ok i'd agree with DoS. My boss has be disable sender verification because he feels its generating backscatter. We're now doing postgrey.
[16:09:11] <lunaphyte_> holy crap.
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[16:09:20] <lunaphyte_> i better mark this on my calendar.
[16:09:26] <PcPixel> what?
[16:09:26] <f3ew> PcPixel yes
[16:10:09] <Matze_> lunaphyte_: i think postfix dont like me there is nothing in /var/log/ about the second mail box delivering nothing no warning no error nothing
[16:10:14] <PcPixel> f3ew: you would agree its backscatter, or agreeing w/ lunaphyte_
[16:10:46] <f3ew> cVsup, I think you are confusing between SMTP AUTH for the client and the server
[16:12:31] <lunaphyte_> PcPixel: i think this is the first time i've actually heard of a boss sticking their nose in the technical aspects of something and me agreeing them.
[16:12:38] <lunaphyte_> *agreeing with them.
[16:13:17] <f3ew> MrNaz, usage of a BL is completely dependent on the admin
[16:13:22] <PcPixel> luna: oh i have no problem with it in this case :) i just want to be sure that he's using the right word for turning the service off
[16:13:38] <f3ew> As long as they stick to their listing criteria, and the listing criteria are published, you are fine
[16:14:07] <lunaphyte_> yeah, i'd agree with that.
[16:14:22] <MrNaz> f3ew yea...
[16:14:26] <MrNaz> well
[16:14:32] <lunaphyte_> an rbl saying they're doing one thing, then doing something else is definitely not ok.
[16:14:38] <MrNaz> i can see one thing... this new mail server admin role i have is going to be fun heh
[16:14:51] <lunaphyte_> get out while you still can.
[16:15:12] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ i would... but i've been using pop3 for far too long, and i have the resources now to run my own
[16:15:23] <f3ew> MrNaz, hehe
[16:15:34] <MrNaz> i'm not an unskilled admin... i've been adminning linux servers for many years now
[16:15:43] <f3ew> But have you been doing mailadmin?
[16:15:52] <MrNaz> f3ew no, this is my first foray
[16:15:52] <f3ew> that's a wholly different beast
[16:15:54] <PcPixel> luna: what got him worried was something on dnsbl-1.uceprotect.net. he read their terms of use & felt that using sender verification could get us marked as spammers
[16:16:04] <MrNaz> f3ew i'm using Archiveopteryx by the way
[16:16:05] <f3ew> PcPixel, at some places, it does
[16:16:07] <f3ew> cool
[16:16:30] <PcPixel> f3ew: then im glad i turned it off then :) now we'll see what happens.
[16:17:39] <lunaphyte_> MrNaz: pop3?  you'll still have to use that (or imap), even if you run your own mailserver.
[16:18:19] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ ive gone to imap... my main reason is a) i get enormous amounts of mail and b) i want to be able to access it from multiple PCs (i have 2 laptops, a desktop and a work pc)
[16:18:48] <lunaphyte_> PcPixel: darn, i spoke too soon.  here i thought he was actually being a friendly smtp neighbor, and it turns out he's only concerned with being flagged as spam.  i should have known better :)
[16:18:48] <MrNaz> f3ew i've actually written up a very detailed mail server / Aox installation guide which i'm about to publish on my blog.. if you have time can you read it over not immediately, but i just dont wnat people googling my blog and doing something wrong
[16:19:10] * f3ew has no Aox experience
[16:19:22] <f3ew> lunaphyte_, he's still being friendly
[16:19:40] <MrNaz> f3ew well ive never used anything else, but i can say that using PG as the back end scores points with me right out of the gate :)
[16:19:41] <lunaphyte_> true, although inadvertently.
[16:19:50] <PcPixel> *chuckle*
[16:19:54] <f3ew> Why do you care if it's because you have a large Rotweiller looking strangely at him?
[16:19:55] <lunaphyte_> pg sucks
[16:20:03] <PcPixel> with the exception of the sender verification, I think we are good smtp neighbors
[16:20:03] <f3ew> why?
[16:20:08] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ why do you say that?
[16:20:10] * f3ew smacks lunaphyte_
[16:20:13] <lunaphyte_> haha
[16:20:17] <MrNaz> hehe
[16:20:18] <PcPixel> you dont like postgrey?
[16:20:22] <lunaphyte_> i just wanted to see what would happen if i said it.
[16:20:29] <MrNaz> lunaphyte_ you're in the room with two pg evangelists :P
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[16:20:37] <MrNaz> *at least* two :P
[16:20:40] <f3ew> PostgreSQL
[16:20:49] <PcPixel> oh :)
[16:20:50] <PcPixel> my bad
[16:20:54] <lunaphyte_> i use pg every day.
[16:21:09] <lunaphyte_> one of our products relies heavily on it.
[16:24:05] <lunaphyte_> f3ew: i agree with your point, but i care a certain amount about why people do things, just from the perspective of humanity.
[16:24:56] <f3ew> lunaphyte_, true
[16:25:00] <Matze_> ohh man this is too stupid i have a duplicated entry ... but i WANT is there a way to have a virtual mail alias they goes to 2 mails? like alias: foobar at bar dot foo, homie at bar dot foo
[16:25:35] <adnc> microsoft just wrote me that filtering of hotmail is based upon a service called SmartScreen
[16:27:32] <cVsup> i set postfix relay external server and i have nis configured when user send emails my server not user sasl_passwd to relay
[16:27:36] <cVsup> anybody can help me?
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[16:31:41] <f3ew> http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl
[16:31:58] <f3ew> cVsup see that
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[16:35:44] <dl> hallo
[16:36:10] <dl> someone speak german ?
[16:36:18] <UdontKnow> uh, I am out of shape in postfix... I need it to authenticate foo at bar dot com with saslauthd, but its only sending foo without the domain
[16:36:32] <UdontKnow> where should I read?
[16:37:35] <f3ew> man saslauthd /-r
[16:37:44] <f3ew> dl Signum does
[16:37:56] <dl> i need help to let join dovecot to mysql db
[16:38:05] <dl> hi signum
[16:38:47] <dl> kannst du mir netterweise bei einem dovecot+mysql problem helfen ?
[16:39:04] <Dominian> dl: wiki.slackadelic.com
[16:39:15] <Dominian> There's a dovecot installation portion there that deals with mysql.. should be a good "starting" point for you
[16:39:37] <f3ew> there's also a howto on workaround.org
[16:40:09] <Dominian> aye
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[16:40:49] <echelon> hey Dominian :)
[16:42:18] <echelon> that's a nice tutorial
[16:42:22] <Dominian> thanks
[16:42:34] <dl> Signum: ich bin nach dieser anleitung vorgegangen http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ : dovecot sagt " Access denied for user 'mailadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"
[16:42:36] <echelon> too bad there's no pam support in slack :\
[16:42:37] <Dominian> I need to make some additions to it
[16:42:45] <Dominian> echelon: aye
[16:42:55] <Dominian> but then again.. that tutorial is geared towards virtual users.
[16:43:00] <echelon> isn't pam a requirement for selinux?
[16:43:05] <Dominian> echelon: yes
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[16:43:56] <f3ew> dl, the line before that says what?
[16:44:03] <f3ew> oh wait
[16:44:07] <f3ew> wrong password?
[16:44:30] <dl> Signum in der konsole kann ich mich einloggen, postfix selbst bekommt die verbindung auch hin, nur dovecot nicht, ich komme trotz google nicht weiter
[16:44:37] <Dominian> I don't speak German.
[16:44:45] <dl> f3ew no, postfix can connect
[16:45:24] <dl> f3ew postfix has same db infos as dovecot
[16:45:33] <f3ew> but dovecot can't?
[16:45:42] <lennard> still though, that very much looks like an sql-error
[16:45:53] <lennard> mysql, that is
[16:45:58] <dl> console login is ok per mysql -u user -l localhost -p
[16:46:12] <dl> yes, dovecot cant
[16:46:42] <Dominian> that's an issue with dovecot's configuration
[16:47:03] <dl> f3ew /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock is 777
[16:47:35] <dl> it cant be a problem with rights,
[16:48:28] <lennard> the error would be permission denied if that were the case anyway
[16:48:44] <Signum> dl: you should use 127.0.0.1 instead of "localhost"
[16:49:29] <dl> i tried localhost, /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, /var/run/dovecot/mysqld.sock( i hardlinked before), and also 127.0.0.1
[16:49:51] <dl> dovecot is not chroot
[16:49:56] <Signum> dl: then you missed to grant the right permissions to the "mailadmin" user in mysql
[16:50:10] <echelon> how much space do virus definition files take up? i might set it up on my router
[16:51:10] <cVsup> f3ew i not find nothing
[16:51:18] <dl> GRANT SELECT ON mailserver ... and postfix can do that
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[16:51:34] <f3ew> echelon a few megs
[16:51:56] <echelon> kk
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[16:52:58] <Signum> dl: the error message is pretty common. and always means that you are trying to access a database/table either from a wrong host or via the wrong password
[16:53:37] <dl> f3ew can it be a pw problem? i had a password blabla#, is the # a problem ? for postfix is it not
[16:53:59] <cVsup> f3ew i need disable nis checking first?
[16:54:21] <dl> yes, but mailserver run on same host, pw is correct
[16:54:45] <f3ew> cVsup no
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[16:56:01] <cVsup> hm..
[16:56:52] <dl> dovecot.conf : passdb sql {args = /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf}  .... dovecot-sql.conf :  connect = host=/var/run/dovecot/mysqld.sock dbname=mailserver user=mailadmin password=pw#
[16:57:00] <cVsup> but postfix not use user and password in sasl_passwd
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[16:57:49] <cVsup> if i execute su - user and try send mail my postfix authentication with user@domain in relayhost
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[17:01:15] <dl> Signum i had check all this again, same error
[17:02:41] <adnc> sysmonk: are you here, i could show you microsofts response regarding mail filtering
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[17:05:23] <Signum> dl: does it work from the command line? (mysql -h ... -u ... -p ...)
[17:05:30] <Signum> dl: perhaps an extra space in a configuration file or something
[17:05:32] <dl> yes
[17:05:47] <dl> Signum console login is ok per mysql -u user -l localhost -p
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[17:07:16] <lennard> dl: well duh, # is the comment character
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[17:07:26] <lennard> you may have more luck with password="pw#"
[17:07:27] <Signum> dl: then I'd say double-check the dovecot config
[17:08:01] <dl> Signum ... is the . check :)
[17:08:14] <dl> Signum ... is the 9. check i mean
[17:09:04] <dl> lenard password=".." in dovecot-sql.conf ? doubblequotes ?
[17:09:20] <dl> Signum  dovecot.conf : passdb sql {args = /etc/dovecot/dovecot-sql.conf}  .... dovecot-sql.conf :  connect = host=/var/run/dovecot/mysqld.sock dbname=mailserver user=mailadmin password=pw#
[17:11:12] <lennard> dl: well, you'll have to do *something* to escape that #
[17:11:20] <dl> lennard i tried with "pw" .... same error
[17:11:33] <lennard> is the # part of the password or not?
[17:11:40] <dl> is it
[17:12:05] <lennard> so its either going to be "pw#", 'pw#', pw\#, some other form of escaping, or not going to work at all
[17:12:06] <dl> lennard postfix can connect .... with same pw
[17:12:13] <lennard> you'll just have to try a few things
[17:12:34] <dl> i check ... second please
[17:13:57] <dl> lennard it doesent work, all esc.sequ tried
[17:14:25] <dl> lennard postfix does with the same typing
[17:19:45] <dl> lennard: i new on irc... is better for you when i type yourname: ?
[17:20:14] <lennard> dl: only when theres lots of talk in which you can get lost
[17:20:18] <lennard> now... not so much ;)
[17:20:29] <dl> ok ...;)
[17:20:42] <lennard> but, if all those don't work I don't know either
[17:21:01] <dl> lennard: thank you for your help .....
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[17:23:15] <dl> someone who can help me by a dovecot + mysql authenticate problem ?
[17:23:49] <Trengo> dl why not #dovecot ?
[17:24:36] <dl> Trengo: i dont understand what you mean
[17:26:26] <dl> Trengo: #dovecot = pw# ? haha
[17:26:35] <dl> Trengo: sorry
[17:31:26] <f3ew> the dovecot channel
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[17:39:45] <chairuou> I am configured a virtual users/domain with postfix + dovecot and mysql
[17:40:43] <chairuou> the incoming email well delivered to virtual user with dovecot LDA but the To: field always appear : undisclosed-recipients
[17:41:11] <chairuou> what do I need to do to make it appear as normal address of recipient ?
[17:42:21] <chairuou> :( seem that everyone in sleeping time
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[17:44:08] <dl> chairuou: have the same problem
[17:44:26] <chairuou> dl, are you solved ?
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[17:46:41] <dl> chairuou: no, have you check your logs ? I had the problem, that postfix can connect to mysql db, but dovecot dont do it with the same login-data. Log data say:  Access denied for user 'mailadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[17:48:25] <chairuou> dl: can you login with command #mysql -u mailadmin -p your_mail_database ?
[17:48:44] <chairuou> let me try recall how I solved that
[17:49:38] <chairuou> I just grant access privileges to my mailuser to acces to mail database
[17:50:22] <chairuou> and of course grant permission to connect from localhost ... attually I put % :p
[17:50:53] <dl> chairuou: tel, one sec please
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[18:00:23] <dl> chairuou: sorry, i am here again
[18:00:31] <chairuou> ok
[18:02:02] <dl> i have grant access for mailserver-db / mailuser to
[18:02:54] <dl> but i can connect with dovecot, but smtp mails (over postfix) ... and than i have  undisclosed-recipients
[18:04:08] <dl> i'm not sure is  undisclosed-recipients an add from postfix ?
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[18:09:11] <chairuou> dl: I put smtpd -v in master.cf
[18:09:23] <dl> chairuou: ah, it seams, postfix add this by address that unknown
[18:09:34] <chairuou> then the maillog show that probably by postfix rewriting
[18:09:53] <chairuou> :( not sure so don't know how to fix
[18:10:04] <chairuou> dl: if dovecot canot connect
[18:10:31] <dl> try to write your destination adress in mysql db...
[18:10:41] <chairuou> try "select host,user from user where user='mailadmin';
[18:10:56] <chairuou> noted that you need use mysql database first
[18:11:27] <chairuou> dl: destination address should be in mysql, if not, dovecot do not deliver
[18:11:31] <dl> e.g. ... your web-adress is xy at yahoo dot com ... then add it in db where postfix read his information
[18:13:17] <chairuou> Sep  8 22:23:17 centos-svr postfix/smtpd[14077]: smtpd_check_rewrite: trying: permit_inet_interfaces
[18:13:18] <chairuou> Sep  8 22:23:17 centos-svr postfix/smtpd[14077]: permit_inet_interfaces: centos-svr.fva.local 127.0.0.1
[18:13:18] <chairuou> Sep  8 22:23:17 centos-svr postfix/smtpd[14077]: before input_transp_cleanup: cleanup flags = enable_header_body_filter enable_automatic_bcc enable_address_mapping enable_milters
[18:13:18] <chairuou> Sep  8 22:23:17 centos-svr postfix/smtpd[14077]: after input_transp_cleanup: cleanup flags = enable_header_body_filter enable_automatic_bcc enable_address_mapping
[18:13:20] <chairuou> opps
[18:13:22] <chairuou> sorry
[18:13:29] <chairuou> probably that's the reason
[18:13:41] <dl> right, but bevore we misunderstand .... for your problem with undisclosed.... , this apear by lokal mail or by mail per smtp ?
[18:14:05] <chairuou> dl: it appear when I use pop3 to retrieve mail
[18:14:20] <chairuou> in the To: field
[18:14:47] <chairuou> for your problem, solve the SQL connection of dovecot first
[18:15:58] <dl> ah, ok when you per e.g. thunderbird pop. But the mails on your server... they are lokal mails or send you mails from server per smtp an your "official" web-address ?
[18:17:10] <chairuou> dl: I use telnet localhost 25 and use SMTP command to send a test email
[18:17:50] <chairuou> so my picture of configuration is worse than you can imagine
[18:17:50] <dl> ok, then postfix deliver the mail, not dovecot , when i had this right understod
[18:18:05] <chairuou> dl: ok
[18:18:11] <chairuou> yep you can say that
[18:18:17] <chairuou> oh no
[18:18:53] <chairuou> as my understanding, postfix transfer email and dovecot deliver incoming email to each user mailbox
[18:19:54] <chairuou> the real MX of my domain is managed at Google as I use google app.
[18:20:09] <chairuou> but my boss want users use local email server only :p
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[18:21:03] <dl> oh sorry chairuou, tel ... a few min ?... sorry
[18:21:09] <chairuou> then now I have to fetch users's email from google then deliver it to local POP3/IMAP
[18:21:12] <chairuou> ah haha
[18:21:25] <chairuou> you seem to be busy sys admin lolz
[18:23:38] <f3ew> fetchmail
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[18:31:55] <dl> chairuo: ok :) ... all tel from today in this minutes together
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[18:41:09] <Rayne|aedion> is it possibe to calculate user's traffic? and how? i did not find any information about traffic in postfix(1)
[18:42:00] <f3ew> pflogsumm.pl
[18:42:04] <f3ew> !pflogsumm
[18:42:05] <knoba> f3ew: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)
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[18:43:08] <Rayne|aedion> nice, thanks a lot
[18:43:18] <Dominian> Yeah I used that for a while.
[18:43:24] <Dominian> logwatch does some statistics as well
[18:45:15] <shasta> rather lousy ones
[18:45:24] <Dominian> aye
[18:46:29] <Rayne|aedion> which is now better?
[18:46:32] <lunaphyte_> i wonder what the etymology of the term log is.
[18:46:36] <Dominian> pflogsumm is what I would use
[18:51:19] <lunaphyte_> logophobia: fear of words or of talking
[18:51:40] <lunaphyte_> logorrhea: excessive flow of words
[18:58:28] <dl> chairuou: i know what the problem is by unsolved-recip...
[18:58:41] <chairuou> dl: what's this ?
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[19:00:25] <dl> in telnet... mail from - rcpt to is only in mailheader, but the To:"" should be set in data part
[19:00:34] <dl> its a telnet problem
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[19:01:26] <ceegee> hello
[19:02:12] <chairuou> dl: ok, so try with a MUA like mutt may see the full blow test, rite ?
[19:06:02] <chairuou> sh!tttt why it alway treat my virtual domain as local domain and doesn't look up in database for recipient :(
[19:07:08] <Rayne|aedion> if i see this reight: pflogsumm does not return me "count of traffic of user foo at example dot com"? i need to write an own script to parse it's output?
[19:07:49] <lunaphyte_> chairuou: show logs
[19:10:35] <vice-versa> Rayne|aedion: --smtpd_stats might be what you're after
[19:12:22] <Rayne|aedion> yeah, but this output is "huge". i am searching for only "somescript --return_traffic_of=john.doe at example dot com
[19:12:28] <Rayne|aedion> but it is great
[19:12:43] <Rayne|aedion> seems that i need to write a script for getting the wanted information
[19:12:48] * Rayne|aedion is short for lunch
[19:17:28] <chairuou> :( pastebin said I am spam
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[19:18:17] <chairuou> lunaphyte: I enabled smtpd -v so the log for one session is quite long
[19:19:13] <lunaphyte_> it's unlikely you need to log verbosely to troubleshoot your problem.  turn it off and pastebin log entries showing delivery.
[19:24:05] <chairuou> mydomain in main.cf isn't listed my virtual domain
[19:24:09] <chairuou> so why ?
[19:25:37] <vice-versa> Rayne|aedion: what information do you need?
[19:26:05] <vice-versa> sent/received + byte counts for both?
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[19:28:22] <Rayne|aedion> i need sent/received vice-versa, but i do not want to load all the information - only sent/recieved of user foo at example dot com
[19:28:56] <vice-versa> surely that's only a grep away ;)
[19:30:15] <Rayne|aedion> i am not 100% shure if this is easly done
[19:30:18] <vice-versa> or an egrep and a sed if you want to get fancy
[19:30:56] <vice-versa> pfft, try something like.... | egrep '^(Senders|Recipients) by message|john.doe at example dot com' | sed 's/s by / by /'
[19:32:23] <Rayne|aedion> yeah, i will try ;-)
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[19:34:50] <Knoedel2> !check_recipient_access
[19:34:51] <knoba> Knoedel2: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[19:35:12] <Knoedel2> !check_client_access
[19:35:12] <knoba> Knoedel2: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . Permit otherwise
[19:36:14] <Knoedel2> !check_helo_access
[19:36:14] <knoba> Knoedel2: Error: "check_helo_access" is not a valid command.
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[19:37:37] <Knoedel2> !check_sender_access
[19:37:38] <knoba> Knoedel2: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[19:38:58] <Knoedel2> !check_recipient_access
[19:38:58] <knoba> Knoedel2: "check_recipient_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the resolved RCPT TO address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[19:40:01] <Knoedel2> !permit_mx_backup
[19:40:01] <knoba> Knoedel2: Error: "permit_mx_backup" is not a valid command.
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[20:21:35] <cVsup> somebody can help with postfix smtp relay and nis? I have nis configured and i need relay my mails in external server, but postfix not use sasl_passwd file, her try use nis to authenticate in relay
[20:21:54] <micmac34> hi there
[20:22:12] <micmac34> ok I do have a problem with postfix
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[20:23:06] <micmac34> Host or domain name not found. Name service error
[20:23:06] <micmac34>     for name=dedibox-hostname type=A: Host not found
[20:23:23] <micmac34> when I send an email to some domain on the box, I have  returned email saying that this domain can't be found
[20:23:37] <micmac34> the hostname is set correctly
[20:23:42] <micmac34> it pings correcly
[20:23:44] <micmac34> locally
[20:23:53] <micmac34> and on another host
[20:24:03] <micmac34> the domain is ok
[20:24:06] <micmac34> mx record ok
[20:24:56] <micmac34> the problem is, I cant' find WHY postfix searches for this dedibox-hostname
[20:25:27] <micmac34> since I set it up correctly in postfix config as well as in the system
[20:25:36] <micmac34> ...
[20:25:38] <micmac34> ?
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[20:27:19] <vice-versa> does dedibox-hostname mean anything to you?
[20:27:28] <micmac34> yeah
[20:27:40] <micmac34> i guess itwas the default name
[20:28:31] <vice-versa> postconf myhostname mydomain
[20:29:04] <micmac34> :o
[20:29:08] <micmac34> ok let's try
[20:30:07] <micmac34> webauser@06:~$ sudo postconf 06.webamine.fr webamine.fr
[20:30:08] <micmac34> postconf: warning: 06.webamine.fr: unknown parameter
[20:30:59] <vice-versa> try it exactly as it was given
[20:31:31] <micmac34> ok
[20:32:04] <micmac34> myhostname = 06.webamine.fr
[20:32:04] <micmac34> mydomain = webamine.fr
[20:32:40] <micmac34> so why the fuck does it look at dedibox-myhostname ???
[20:32:54] <micmac34> since I restarted the postfix deamon too
[20:35:01] <vice-versa> pastebin the output of postconf -n and some relevant log details
[20:35:11] <micmac34> ok
[20:37:49] <micmac34> wow
[20:38:01] <micmac34> it seems like some file is wrong
[20:38:10] <micmac34> ./etc/mailname
[20:38:35] <micmac34> this file gives me : dedibox-hostname
[20:38:53] <micmac34> i will change it and i think it will work
[20:39:00] <micmac34> but why ?
[20:39:11] <micmac34> everything was set up
[20:39:12] <vice-versa> but why what?
[20:39:28] <micmac34> i already have hostname set up
[20:39:47] <micmac34> postfix is already using system wide variables
[20:39:57] <micmac34> what is this mailname ?
[20:40:09] <vice-versa> where was /etc/mailname being used?
[20:40:26] <vice-versa> smells like a debian thing to me
[20:40:55] <micmac34> in postfix's config, when i type postconf -n
[20:41:13] <vice-versa> I assumed that :(
[20:41:15] <micmac34> ...
[20:41:18] <micmac34> suxx
[20:41:31] <micmac34> I copied all the damn thing
[20:41:40] <micmac34> postfix
[20:41:44] <micmac34> vhosts
[20:41:46] <micmac34> and all
[20:42:01] <micmac34> and then it looks to some file /etc/mailname
[20:42:07] <micmac34> pfew
[20:42:34] <micmac34> ok lets see wether it ever fixes this
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[20:52:06] <micmac34> doesn't seem so
[20:55:21] <micmac34> :(
[20:55:35] <vice-versa> so...
[20:56:44] <micmac34> what should i do
[20:56:58] <vice-versa> gemme a few minutes, when my co-worker is finished with the crystal ball and magic mx dust I'll have a closer look at your config and mail logs
[20:57:12] <micmac34> ok ! thanks a lot
[21:02:39] * vice-versa senses a language barrier
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[21:05:41] <micmac34> vice-versa: i guess you're right... hmmm maybe you were just kiddin ?
[21:05:55] <micmac34> crystall ball dust and all
[21:05:56] <micmac34> ..
[21:06:06] <vice-versa> indeed
[21:06:24] <micmac34> and thinking that I was looking for help here :|
[21:06:33] <vice-versa> [20:35:01] <vice-versa> pastebin the output of postconf -n and some relevant log details
[21:06:46] <micmac34> ok
[21:06:59] <vice-versa> that's what you said the last time too
[21:07:08] <micmac34> sorry
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[21:09:26] <vice-versa> current log details too, not something from a half hour ago...
[21:09:55] <micmac34> yeah
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[21:12:50] <micmac> http://pastebin.com/d554ec827
[21:12:59] <micmac> thats it
[21:15:35] <micmac> sorry for the disconnection
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[21:16:50] <micmac> ok... no solution for my problem
[21:17:07] <micmac> been trying many many things though
[21:17:17] <micmac> bye
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[21:19:57] * vice-versa shakes his head
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[21:24:14] <micmac> back
[21:24:41] <micmac> ok i think i had enough for now
[21:25:04] <micmac> sick of tweaking these computers all the day
[21:25:25] <micmac> been fun for a while
[21:25:31] <micmac> but now...
[21:25:58] <micmac> just trying to get the damn thing to work
[21:30:09] <micmac> it's shame that after copying the conf to another computer and checking for hours i can't get it to work
[21:30:55] <micmac> everything is ok, the network is ok, the users are ok
[21:31:13] <micmac> just that damn postfix won"t deliver the mails
[21:31:28] <micmac> hostname is ok
[21:31:38] <micmac> mailname is ok
[21:31:49] <micmac> wtf
[21:32:07] <micmac> rights are ok
[21:32:12] <micmac> dnses are ok
[21:33:59] <vice-versa> !basic
[21:33:59] <vice-versa> !standard
[21:34:00] <knoba> vice-versa: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[21:34:01] <knoba> vice-versa: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[21:34:14] <micmac> ok
[21:34:21] <micmac> I'll tryhis
[21:35:04] <micmac> didnt you receive the pastebin entry ?
[21:35:39] <vice-versa> yup, but it was lacking the requested log details
[21:35:39] <micmac> http://pastebin.com/d554ec827
[21:35:46] <micmac> oh !
[21:36:29] <micmac> ok forget it, it's getting too complicated
[21:36:59] <micmac> thanksfor helping !
[21:37:22] <Knoedel2> is it possible to use relay_domains with useraccounts ?
[21:37:28] <micmac> i will find the answer myself
[21:37:32] <micmac> bye
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[21:38:30] <vice-versa> sad
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[21:43:04] <PcPixel> We are having trouble with a new email domain. I want to use masquerade_domains to correct it. the new domain is syte.qvii.com which needs to get stripped down to qvii.com. will masquerade_domains do that?
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[21:46:06] <vice-versa> PcPixel: what's the problem, something other than syte.qvii.com having no mx or A record?
[21:48:06] <PcPixel> vice: correct. short version: internal domain was set up tha tnow needs to email the outside world. however, there is no need to publish this domain as it would make no sense to anyone.
[21:48:46] <PcPixel> so a quick fix for us would he have it masquerade as out parent company so the mail gets processed.,
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[21:52:53] <vice-versa> PcPixel: smtp_generic_maps might be better fit for this
[21:53:15] * PcPixel grabs his postfix book
[21:54:10] <PcPixel> its not in there. let me google it
[21:54:21] <vice-versa> !docs
[21:54:22] <knoba> vice-versa: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
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[21:56:43] <PcPixel> oh wow
[21:56:46] <PcPixel> yeah that would do it too
[21:57:02] <PcPixel> since its also for just a single user account that might not be a bad choice either
[21:58:15] <PcPixel> either one should work though, correct?
[21:58:35] <vice-versa> tias ;)
[21:59:08] <PcPixel> havent heard that acro before
[21:59:25] <vice-versa> Try It And See
[21:59:40] <PcPixel> :)
[22:01:42] <vice-versa> PcPixel: but for a 'single user', would it be easier to change their mua accordingly?
[22:02:30] <vice-versa> and what were they doing, emailing themselves?
[22:02:47] <PcPixel> thats the plan :)
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[22:05:49] <PcPixel> sorry, got booted
[22:05:50] <PcPixel> no
[22:05:57] <PcPixel> the problem is we have external companies we work with
[22:06:00] <googlah> I can recieve mails to the same system-user on every domain I have listed in mydestinations. How can I restrict, on what domains a user should "listen" on?
[22:06:09] <PcPixel> yet this type of email would be considered "internal only"
[22:06:25] <PcPixel> and it needs to go over the internet as the sites aren't vpn'ed togeter
[22:06:49] <PcPixel> so internal domain tries to send an email out & get rejected because there are no DNS records for it
[22:06:59] <PcPixel> initially, my system was blocking it: reject_unknown_sender_domain
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[22:07:38] <PcPixel> i moved our "if you're an internal mail server" check above that & that let it go out the door. but then their mail server rejected it for the same reason
[22:07:52] * PcPixel hands vice-versa the duct tape to wrap his head with so it doesn't explode
[22:08:13] <vice-versa> too late ;)
[22:08:24] <PcPixel> vice-versa: i know. its a stupid situation w a dumb solution
[22:08:33] <vice-versa> aye
[22:08:35] <PcPixel> but if ti works, it works
[22:08:40] <PcPixel> it snot my network yet
[22:08:40] <PcPixel> so i have no say
[22:09:01] <PcPixel> it blows my mind that system i build are smarter than our actual network
[22:10:04] <vice-versa> there's a lot to be said for starting over sometimes
[22:10:27] <PcPixel> oh trust me
[22:10:32] <PcPixel> i *SOOOO* want to
[22:10:34] <PcPixel> but he hasnt died yet
[22:10:39] <PcPixel> or retired
[22:10:39] <PcPixel> so my hands are tied
[22:10:43] <PcPixel> which is why im job hunting
[22:10:44] <PcPixel> :P
[22:10:52] <PcPixel> anyways, i have a service call i gotta go on
[22:11:01] <PcPixel> ill wait to see if that map trick works, if not ill try the masquerade.
[22:11:01] <vice-versa> thought you just got that job?
[22:11:04] <PcPixel> thanks for the help
[22:11:05] <PcPixel> oh no
[22:11:06] <PcPixel> bene here for years
[22:11:11] <PcPixel> sucked the wqhole time
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[23:25:20] <adnc> does someone know of a email statistics application?
[23:25:54] <lambda> amavis-stats ?
[23:26:16] <adnc> amavis-stats, ohh, i will check
[23:26:25] <adnc> lambda: is this a web application?
[23:26:44] <lambda> euh yeah i guess
[23:27:46] <shasta> !pflogsumm
[23:27:46] <knoba> shasta: "pflogsumm" : a perl script to analyse your mail log file and generate nice reports. See: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/postfix_contrib.html (metalog users see the !mpflogsumm factoid)
[23:29:03] <lambda> amavis is perl too
[23:29:16] <adnc> shasta: i'll look for it aswell
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[23:30:18] <adnc> shasta: do you know if there is a demo for it?
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[23:31:59] <lunaphyte> awstats can also be used to parse mail logs, and has fairly decent looking prettified output.
[23:32:15] <adnc> which one is preferable?
[23:32:40] <lunaphyte> grrr.
[23:33:06] <lunaphyte> http://bsdtips.utcorp.net/mediawiki/index.php/Helio/salesman
[23:33:13] <lunaphyte> that's for you to decide.
[23:33:41] <adnc> ohh you are not a salesman
[23:33:49] <adnc> this is good
[23:35:29] <ek> Hah!
[23:35:33] <ek> Poor Helio.
[23:36:05] <sysmonk> hmmm
[23:36:11] <sysmonk> ##freebsd migrated to #postfix?
[23:36:16] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:36:26] <adnc> sysmonk: microsoft did answer
[23:36:30] <sysmonk> congratz
[23:36:34] <sysmonk> they must be spying this chan
[23:36:35] <sysmonk> ;)
[23:36:41] <adnc> maybee
[23:36:46] <lunaphyte> yeah, it's not quite topical, specifically, but the essence is there.
[23:37:13] <adnc> they said it is up to the smartscreen filtering mechanizm and they will investigate into it
[23:37:14] <sysmonk> lunaphyte: i'm pointing to 1. bsdtips 2. you 3. ek 4. me :)
[23:37:22] <ek> sysmonk: For the most part, I guess.
[23:37:29] <sysmonk> adnc: oh suuuure they will
[23:37:29] <ek> See more and more users in here every day. :)
[23:37:34] <sysmonk> i've heard that answer before
[23:37:42] <adnc> ah, ok
[23:37:45] <sysmonk> but then they said that they DO NOT controll the smartscreen
[23:38:05] <ek> Yeah. I've been here for quite some time though. You even longer than I...
[23:38:10] <adnc> they said they gave it up to the specialist filtering team and they will handle it
[23:38:20] <sysmonk> ek: me?
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[23:39:06] <ek> Indeed.
[23:39:17] <sysmonk> my #postfix logs start at ...
[23:39:42] <sysmonk> 2006.08.28 - that's when i first joined #postfix
[23:39:43] <ek> head -10 /path/to/logfile? Lol.
[23:39:47] <ek> Ah.
[23:39:58] <sysmonk> asked some stupid question back then
[23:40:04] <ek> Not sure when I joined. I haven't been logging #Postfix for a majority of the time.
[23:40:07] <sysmonk> after a year i've came here for 'longer' ;)
[23:40:15] <sysmonk> ek: logging everything
[23:40:18] <ek> In fact, I believe I only began logging this channel about 4 months ago.
[23:40:20] <ek> Maybe 3.
[23:40:29] <ek> Yeah.
[23:40:36] <sysmonk> 1.2G    /home/alex/.irssi/logs/
[23:40:39] <ek> Well, I know certain channels feel differently about logging.
[23:40:43] <sysmonk> have some logs :)
[23:40:47] <ek> Haha. Yup.
[23:41:00] <sysmonk> will be a nice AI training source some day ;P
[23:41:15] <ek> Definitely.
[23:41:36] <sysmonk> when did i end...
[23:41:43] <ek> Erm?
[23:41:45] <sysmonk> ah... updating my 'WebPortAudit'
[23:42:03] <ek> What's that?
[23:42:20] <sysmonk> wanna try ?
[23:42:26] <ek> Absolutely.
[23:42:30] <sysmonk> one moment
[23:42:46] <seekwill> sysmonk: Hey!
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