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[00:02:58] <uid00> ehlo
[00:03:03] <uid00> got one today
[00:03:07] <razym> nom nom nom
[00:03:15] <uid00> so i had ssl enabled fine on a test cert, no biggie
[00:03:21] <uid00> now i have the 'real' one, ready to go
[00:03:32] <uid00> changed the names/paths of the key, CA and cert files
[00:03:35] <uid00> postconf -n shows it's fine
[00:03:44] <uid00> restarted sasld, postfix dovecot
[00:03:50] <uid00> getting ssl error :<
[00:03:58] <uid00> did go to telnet localhost 25
[00:04:04] <uid00> i didn't understand the error,
[00:04:19] <uid00> pastbin comin'
[00:05:00] <uid00> http://pastebin.com/d68567d1e
[00:06:14] <lennard> doesn't look like an error
[00:06:23] <shasta> and where's the error?
[00:07:02] <uid00> well, all other dumps of a ssl smtp session look more like:
[00:07:21] <uid00> http://pastebin.com/m6fe41bcf
[00:07:39] <uid00> and besides, i'm seeing a ssl error on the client, so it's there :)
[00:08:16] <lennard> you may have more luck with
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[00:08:22] <uid00> ?
[00:08:27] <lennard> a) postfix logs (in the syslogger)
[00:08:32] <uid00> lookin'
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[00:08:41] <lennard> b) openssl s_client -starttls smtp -connect localhost:smtp
[00:09:13] <shasta> i'm telling you, there's no error in http://pastebin.com/d68567d1e
[00:09:36] <lennard> thats not a log :P
[00:09:43] <lennard> something like /var/log/syslog
[00:09:47] <lennard> or /var/log/mail.info
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[00:09:50] <lennard> or /var/log/messages
[00:10:00] <lennard> that probably covers the major distros :P
[00:10:11] <shasta> missed slackware there :>
[00:10:15] <shasta> /var/log/maillog
[00:10:35] <_evangelion> shasta i found the error :)
[00:10:39] <lennard> oh, right, wasnt talking to uid00 this time
[00:10:43] <lennard> I need to pay more attention
[00:10:46] <_evangelion> now my webmail is ON completly operationnal ^^
[00:11:03] <uid00> hehe
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[00:12:07] <_evangelion> thanks to you lennard and thanks to you shasta
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[00:12:56] <uid00> hmm
[00:13:10] <uid00> says that it cannot get the private key, but the path (name) is there, and right
[00:13:29] <uid00> that is:  warning: cannot get private key from file /etc/pki/tls/private/private.key
[00:13:33] <GT500> Hi guys.
[00:13:37] <uid00> ehlo
[00:13:38] <shasta> uid00, ls -l /etc/pki/tls/private/private.key
[00:14:34] <uid00> ya
[00:14:36] <uid00> it's there
[00:14:42] <uid00> rw by root only
[00:14:42] <GT500> I'm getting the error "550 5.1.1 <gt500 at gt500 dot org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table" every time I try to send an e-mail to my server at gt500.org.
[00:14:54] <uid00> eheh GT500
[00:15:00] <lennard> I suggest you make it r by the user the smtpd runs at
[00:15:08] <GT500> I've been in the #fedora channel getting help, but none of them could figure it out.
[00:15:09] <uid00> yep
[00:15:15] <lennard> also check permissions on the parent directory
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[00:15:45] <GT500> I have a local user GT500, but Postfix always says there is no such user.
[00:15:58] <shasta> GT500, apparently there's no gt500 user on your system :)
[00:16:03] <lennard> GT500: postconf -d
[00:16:15] <shasta> we all know what's there
[00:16:18] <lennard> err
[00:16:19] <lennard> sorry
[00:16:22] <GT500> lennard: Run as root I assume?
[00:16:39] <lennard>  post postconf -n and relevant logs to
[00:16:40] <lennard>           a pastebin when asking questions
[00:16:44] <lennard> that part of the topic :P
[00:17:00] <GT500> l have the configs and such on my website.
[00:17:02] <lennard> (anyone who can guess my terminal width gets no prize)
[00:17:04] <GT500> I can post them.
[00:17:25] <lennard> GT500: a pastebin with postconf -n usually works best for us :)
[00:18:15] <shasta> lennard, wider than mine, apparently
[00:18:26] <GT500> lennard: It's a remote server. Giving direct links to files is much easier than pastebin.
[00:18:29] <lennard> that sounds likely
[00:18:43] <lennard> most people arent crazy enough to go maximed on 1680x1050
[00:19:04] <shasta> lennard, 175? :)
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[00:19:15] <lennard> GT500: well, you can try ofcourse :)
[00:19:19] <lennard> maybe we're in a helpfull mood
[00:19:21] <lennard> who knows
[00:19:29] <lennard> shasta: nope
[00:19:58] <lennard> 207
[00:20:04] <lennard> I'm sure it measures out somehow :P
[00:20:08] <shasta> huh
[00:20:13] <lennard> don't forget the 00:16:40 -!- Topic for #postfix:  part
[00:20:43] <shasta> oh, i counted from the topic bar
[00:21:16] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/main.cf
[00:21:30] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/aliases
[00:21:37] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/maillog
[00:21:53] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/postconf-n.log
[00:22:19] <GT500> Any help would be appreciated. ;)
[00:22:42] <shasta> GT500, getent passwd gt500
[00:22:45] <lennard> and all the comments is why we prefer postconf -n ;) clean and all the info we need
[00:23:05] <GT500> shasta: As root, or as GT500?
[00:23:11] <shasta> doesn't matter :)
[00:23:12] <lennard> looks fine on first sight though
[00:23:18] <shasta> (i see where it's going :>)
[00:23:26] <shasta> GT500 != gt500, prolly
[00:23:46] <lennard> I don't think casing matters in localparts
[00:23:52] <GT500> I assumed there was a case issue, but no one in #fedora really knew.
[00:23:59] <lennard> or does local(5) convert to lowercase?
[00:24:04] <lennard> err
[00:24:05] <lennard> not 5
[00:24:08] <lennard> 3 or so :P
[00:24:14] <lennard> 8, even
[00:24:25] <shasta> shouldn't be, I think email usernames are case-insensitive
[00:24:26] <loompek> i always thought email was case insensitive..
[00:24:39] <shasta> anyway
[00:24:44] <shasta> what's the getent output?
[00:24:52] <lennard>        All delivery decisions are made using the bare recipient name (i.e. the address localpart), folded to lower case.  See also under ADDRESS EXTENSION below for a few exceptions.
[00:25:02] <GT500> shasta: It should be, but this is my first time setting up an SMTP server...
[00:25:30] <lennard> GT500: we really need the getent passwd gt500
[00:25:44] <uid00> hmm
[00:25:45] <GT500> lennard: Run as root?
[00:25:51] <lennard> that'd be fine
[00:25:53] <shasta> doesn't matter
[00:26:04] <shasta> /etc/passwd is usually readable by anyone (:
[00:26:31] <GT500> It doesn't output anything.
[00:26:45] <uid00> ya, so i checked the perms on those certificate files, CA, crt and key
[00:26:47] <uid00> all good
[00:27:00] <GT500> Should I run it under a  regular account?
[00:27:04] <lennard> getent passwd GT500 then?
[00:27:35] <uid00> but the logs say something odd
[00:27:36] <GT500> GT500:x:500:500:Arthur Wilkinson:/home/GT500:/bin/bash
[00:27:37] <uid00> warning: TLS library problem: 28041:error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read:pem_lib.c:403:
[00:27:40] <uid00> bad password?
[00:28:03] <shasta> uid00, did you set a passphrase on that key?
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[00:28:09] <lennard> well, theres your problem then
[00:28:10] <uid00> of course
[00:28:14] <uid00> eh
[00:28:19] <shasta> uid00, ...
[00:28:21] <uid00> wut
[00:28:24] <GT500> lennard: ?
[00:28:38] <lennard> GT500: the best fix I can think of is changing the username to gt500 (as opposed to GT500)
[00:28:50] <shasta> I think I can make up a better one :)
[00:28:58] <GT500> lennard: Any easy way of doing that without causing problems?
[00:29:01] <shasta> not sure if it works
[00:29:14] <GT500> lennard: I have a webserver running out of that user's home dir.
[00:29:15] <shasta> echo "gt500: GT500" >> /etc/aliases && newaliases
[00:29:27] <uid00> when i was generating this privkey for the csr, all the instructions i got told me to set a pwd for it
[00:29:44] <lennard> shasta: I don't think that'll work, seeing as how local will fold it back to lower anyway
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[00:29:58] <shasta> lennard, worth trying anyway
[00:30:06] <shasta> uid00, too bad you didn't read docs before that :)
[00:30:11] <lennard> uid00: you'll need it without password for postfix to be able to use it
[00:30:18] <uid00> i get that now
[00:30:22] <uid00> sonofa.
[00:30:24] <shasta> uid00, In order to use TLS, the Postfix SMTP server generally needs a certificate and a private key. Both must be in "PEM" format. The private key must not be encrypted, meaning: the key must be accessible without a password.
[00:30:28] <lennard> openssl rsa -in private.key -out private.key.nopass
[00:30:29] <shasta> (http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html)
[00:30:31] <lennard> easily fixed
[00:30:32] <uid00> dur
[00:30:45] <lennard> all is not lost :)
[00:30:56] <uid00> i take it that there's a way to convert my file into .pem
[00:31:00] <uid00> my key taht is
[00:31:05] <lennard> uid00: do my openssl line :P
[00:31:09] <GT500> shasta: I'm not getting an error message this time.
[00:31:29] <lennard> I'd do it for you, but I'd need your key and password
[00:31:38] <uid00> but the csr was generating via the private key i made w/ a paswd
[00:31:38] <uid00> wouldn't that conflict?
[00:31:38] <lennard> I don't think thats too good an idea
[00:31:44] <uid00> likely no
[00:31:45] <lennard> no, it wont
[00:31:47] <uid00> eh
[00:31:50] <uid00> good lord
[00:31:53] <uid00> ok, back to cli
[00:32:11] <shasta> GT500, do you get a successful delivery?
[00:32:46] <lennard> knowing how to use openssl without overlaying tools is a very usefull thing imo ;)
[00:32:50] <GT500> I have no idea.
[00:32:56] <GT500> IMAP server isn't working.
[00:33:05] <GT500> Must need to reconfigure dovecot.
[00:33:15] <lennard> mutt -Rf ~user/Maildir
[00:33:36] <lennard> I'm assuming you are GT500 and have therefor permission to check the mailbox ;)
[00:34:05] <GT500> Yes, but I don't have mutt installed.
[00:34:27] <uid00> well now
[00:34:30] <uid00> let's see if that works lennard
[00:34:34] <lennard> cat ~user/Maildir/tmp/whatever, then :)
[00:35:01] <lennard> uid00: don't forget to correct permissions on whatever you called the passwordless file :)
[00:35:10] <uid00> already did
[00:35:20] <shasta> GT500, LOGS! :)
[00:35:25] <shasta> what do the logs say
[00:35:43] <lennard> pfft, logs are no substitute for a mail in a maildir :P
[00:35:43] <GT500> It says /home/GT500/Maildir doesn't exist...
[00:35:49] <lennard> well, a very poor one anyway
[00:35:52] <lennard> in that case, logs
[00:36:39] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/maillog
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[00:37:58] <lennard> I'd recommend not having those mailaddresses out for the world to harvest :)
[00:38:00] <uid00> hmm
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[00:39:05] <GT500> The world already has them.
[00:39:18] <lennard> Sep  6 18:30:29 u15314251 postfix/local[3589]: 35355400CAB: to=<GT500 at gt500 dot org>, relay=local, delay=0.37, delays=0.3/0.03/0/0.04, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "gt500")
[00:39:24] <lennard> thats your error
[00:39:24] <shasta> i still see Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table there
[00:39:44] <shasta> oh, that's because i had this cached
[00:39:47] <lennard> the least painfull way to rename your user probably is editting /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow
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[00:40:01] <shasta> and /etc/group if needed
[00:40:04] <GT500> All I know is I didn't get a failure notice.
[00:40:07] <lennard> and that.
[00:40:26] <lennard> GT500: that because yahoo doesn't want to talk to you :P
[00:40:33] <_evangelion> lol
[00:40:40] <lennard> (thats the bottom part of the log)
[00:40:53] <GT500> lennard: I think that error was caused when I tried to send an e-mail to Yahoo.
[00:41:08] <GT500> lennard: I got a SMTP error when I did.
[00:41:20] <lennard> Sep  6 18:30:29 u15314251 postfix/bounce[3634]: 35355400CAB: sender non-delivery notification: 6E410400CAC
[00:41:26] <lennard> Sep  6 18:31:12 u15314251 postfix/smtp[3706]: 6E410400CAC: to=<gt500fomoco at yahoo dot com>, relay=none, delay=43, delays=0/0.03/43/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3]: Connection timed out)
[00:41:39] <lennard> those two together mean the bounce is still trying to make its way
[00:41:52] <GT500> OK.
[00:42:06] <GT500> So the username absolutely has to be lowercase?
[00:42:24] <lennard> if you use the local transport for delivery, yes
[00:42:29] <lennard> which probably is the easiest optino
[00:42:30] <GT500> Can I just create an account called gt500 without messing with the one named GT500?
[00:42:41] <lennard> yup, that should work
[00:42:45] <GT500> OK.
[00:42:57] <GT500> What so I need to do to Postfix after I create that account?
[00:42:57] <lennard> if you give it the same uid and homedir it'll even look like the same user
[00:43:12] <lennard> (which, in its own way, can get confusing)
[00:43:22] <lennard> nothing, it'll 'just work' probably
[00:43:32] <lennard> you can remove the /etc/aliases line to remove clutter though
[00:43:49] <lennard> and now, its time for me to sleep
[00:43:58] <GT500> "it'll just work" is the best news I've heard all day. ;)
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[00:46:14] <uid00> well lennard, it works
[00:46:21] <uid00> but the client is not trusting the cert
[00:47:06] <lennard> you may need to complete the chain from the trusted root to the cert on the postfix-side
[00:47:12] <lennard> but I wouldnt know how to do that
[00:47:25] <lennard> also, sleep ~~ :)
[00:47:33] <uid00> wtf does that mean
[00:47:38] <uid00> ah, google my old friend...i cometh
[00:48:12] <shasta> uid00, ever tried reading http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html ?
[00:48:22] <uid00> on and off
[00:48:25] <uid00> doing it right now actually
[00:48:44] <lennard> its the intermediate part I'm referring to
[00:51:25] <GT500> Sweet, the log says it was delivered.
[00:51:54] <GT500> What's a light-weight mail client for Linux?
[00:52:04] <GT500> So that I can see if the mail went through?
[00:52:08] <shasta> cat ;)
[00:52:22] <GT500> OK, will try that.
[00:53:14] <GT500> Wait... I have an e-mail...
[00:53:23] <GT500> Freaking awesome guys. ;)
[00:53:30] <GT500> Thanks for the help.
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[00:53:47] <GT500> Now I have to figure out why dovecot doesn't see it.
[00:53:59] <sahil> dovecot+postfix is so easy though!
[00:56:59] <GT500> Weird...
[00:57:07] <GT500> It's not letting me send mail...
[00:57:08] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/maillog
[00:58:14] <loompek> postconf mynetworks
[00:58:18] <shasta> !relay_denied
[00:58:19] <knoba> shasta: "relay_denied" : \"554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER_ADDRESS> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>\": This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[00:58:22] <shasta> GT500, ^^^^^^
[00:58:37] <shasta> !sasl
[00:58:38] <knoba> shasta: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[00:58:42] <shasta> also that ^^^^
[00:59:20] <GT500> mynetworks = 192.168.0.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8
[01:00:36] <GT500> I have dovecot installed.
[01:00:51] <shasta> by default, you can only send emails to "outside" domains (domains not in $mydestination or $virtual_* stuff) if you're connecting from IP address listed in $mynetworks
[01:01:15] <shasta> a very common thing to do when you need to connect from different IPs is to setup sasl authentication
[01:01:22] <GT500> OK.
[01:01:32] <shasta> read the SASL_README
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[01:09:17] <sahil> SASL with dovecot is incredibly simple.
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[01:40:25] <GT500> sahil: Maybe it is incredibly simple, but I don't think I will be able to figure it out until I get dovecot working...
[01:40:48] <GT500> I guess it's off to #dovecot to see if someone can help me get it working.
[01:40:53] <GT500> Thanks for the help everyone.
[01:41:05] <GT500> I may be back once I get dovecot working.
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[01:53:56] <sahil> dovecot is simple, too. :P
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[01:58:53] <vice-versa> wb
[01:58:59] <GT500> OK, I'm back.
[01:59:17] <GT500> dovecot is working now that I fixed my simple miss-config.
[01:59:28] <GT500> But I still can't send e-mail via Postfix...
[01:59:54] <googlah> What does the mail.log file say?
[02:00:03] <GT500> The log shows my SMTP client connecting, and then disconnecting.
[02:00:13] <GT500> No errors are displayed.
[02:01:13] <googlah> Hm. May be some relaying problem
[02:02:03] <sahil> GT500: URL for your mail log excerpt?
[02:02:38] <GT500> http://www.gt500.org/linux/maillog
[02:02:53] <GT500> Just the lines since I got dovecot working.
[02:03:13] <sahil> this is not a useful log.
[02:03:24] <sahil> it shows your smtpd receiving connections and disconnects from some dhcp server.
[02:03:34] <sahil> err, dhcp client IP at embarqhsd.net, i mean.
[02:03:52] <GT500> EMBARQ is my ISP.
[02:04:03] <GT500> The client is my mail client.
[02:04:07] <sahil> what is your server's IP address?
[02:04:17] <GT500> I can try connecting with my web-based mail client.
[02:04:24] <sahil> i will try with telnet
[02:04:28] <GT500> 74.208.12.180
[02:06:15] <sahil> working fine.
[02:06:26] <GT500> So my mail client is the problem?
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[02:07:45] <GT500> What login method did you use?
[02:08:05] <GT500> I've tried both LOGIN and PLAIN.
[02:08:13] <sahil> i didn't login.
[02:08:18] <GT500> Duh...
[02:08:21] <sahil> i sent mail to postmaster at mail dot gt500.org
[02:08:23] <GT500> Where's my brain...
[02:08:26] <sahil> using your smtp server.
[02:08:33] <sahil> you should have mail, if you have access to that mailbox.
[02:08:40] <sahil> 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 822B0400CAC
[02:08:44] <GT500> I haven't set up that mailbox.
[02:08:53] <sahil> you should see that queue ID in your logs.
[02:08:59] <GT500> You can send to gt500 <at > gt500.org
[02:09:10] <GT500> Or gt500fomoco <at> yahoo.com
[02:09:10] <sahil> well, postfix thinks it exists otherwise it would not have accepted the email, uness you have messed up valid recipient validation.  which is a bad idea.
[02:09:27] <GT500> That's possible.
[02:09:31] <sahil> if i could send to anywhere outside of gt500.org *without* authenticating, then yoru server would be an open relay... and we would all hate you.
[02:09:39] <sahil> grep postmaster /etc/aliases
[02:09:43] <sahil> what do you see?
[02:10:07] <GT500> mailer-daemon:  postmaster
[02:10:07] <GT500> postmaster:     root
[02:10:07] <GT500> info:           postmaster
[02:10:07] <GT500> marketing:      postmaster
[02:10:07] <GT500> sales:          postmaster
[02:10:08] <GT500> support:        postmaster
[02:11:11] <GT500> Since this is my first attempt at setting up an e-mail server, then we can probably assume that I've botched the config in some way.
[02:11:43] <GT500> Here is my current config: http://www.gt500.org/linux/postconf-n.log
[02:12:06] <xpoint_dell> this alias is global on all mydestnations
[02:12:19] <GT500> Actually, that's not current...
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[02:12:41] <sahil> ok i am going to chipotle; i'll see if you're still here when i return.  good luck.
[02:12:44] * sahil -> food
[02:12:57] <xpoint_dell> popcorn :)
[02:13:22] <xpoint_dell> with cilisauce
[02:13:50] <xpoint_dell> chilisauce even
[02:14:00] <GT500> OK, now it's current.
[02:14:04] <xpoint_dell> mums
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[02:14:25] <googlah> :) What do I need to look on, if I have 2 system-users, and 2 domains, and each should deliver separetely? Right now, I can send to one user, on both domains. Like john at example dot com and john at example dot net.
[02:15:15] <xpoint_dell> whant local part to be global ?
[02:15:34] <xpoint_dell> if yes then fine
[02:16:42] <xpoint_dell> if no, then remove local alias, and add them in virual alias
[02:17:21] <xpoint_dell> i prefer the last here
[02:17:56] <googlah> How can a basic virtual alias, look like?
[02:18:31] <xpoint_dell> foo at example dot org bar at example dot org
[02:19:14] <xpoint_dell> foo at example dot org bar at example dot org,foo@example.net
[02:19:34] <xpoint_dell> both work
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[02:49:27] <yousef> hi
[02:50:10] <vecsigma> in my /etc/postfix/aliases, when i want mail destined for user 'joe.blow' to cc to his gmail address 'jblow at gmail dot com', it's designated as :               joe.blow:  joe.blow, jblow at gmail dot com                     however this causes mail loop, according to postfix maillog.   What's a better way to do what i'm trying to accomplish
[02:50:13] <GT500> It works!
[02:50:18] <GT500> It finally works!
[02:50:24] <GT500> I can send mail!
[02:51:03] <GT500> I'd thank everyone for their help, but I don't think anyone who helped me is still here...
[02:51:24] <GT500> But still, I'm thrilled that it's working!
[02:51:31] <GT500> Good bye everyone.
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[02:52:47] <xpoint_dell> vecsigma, remove it in alias, add it to virtual
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[02:54:30] <yousef> when using my mail client (with imap), postfix complains when I send emails; it says "Relay access denied"... when I ssh into the server running postfix and send email with mutt, it works just fine. What could be wrong? I'm assuming that the imap server I'm using (dovecot) is send my email as if it originated from the server itself, not the client, correct?
[02:54:55] <yousef> is sending*
[02:55:47] <xpoint_dell> dovecot runs on a ip outside mynetwork then
[02:56:09] <vecsigma> damn i was afraid u'd say that.  i don't use virtual in mine
[02:56:13] <xpoint_dell> ups, dovecot does not send
[02:56:57] <xpoint_dell> yousef, client is outside mynetwork
[02:57:35] <xpoint_dell> vecsigma, local users should not forward
[02:58:37] <xpoint_dell> best way to solve this is to make the virtual alias hold both the gmail and local mbox addr, and then have it as a virtual alias instaed of alias
[02:58:46] <vecsigma> i see
[02:59:23] <yousef> I don't think I'm following you... you're saying I should remove my client's IP address from the mynetworks setting (it's not in there) ?
[02:59:54] <xpoint_dell> yousef, nope, is client on lan ?
[03:00:03] <yousef> xpoint_dell: no.
[03:00:16] <xpoint_dell> good then setup smtp auth
[03:00:42] <yousef> ok, I'll look it up.
[03:00:44] <yousef> thanks.
[03:00:54] <vice-versa> !sasl
[03:00:55] <knoba> vice-versa: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[03:01:04] <lunaphyte> does anyone in here owe me money?
[03:01:07] <xpoint_dell> or setup dovecot with outbound folder
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[03:12:34] <sahil> lunaphyte: no.
[03:12:45] * sahil wonders how many times !sasl is typed in here.
[03:12:52] <lunaphyte> that's too bad.  are you sure?
[03:13:09] <sahil> yes, shoo.
[03:13:11] <sahil> :P
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[03:16:40] <lunaphyte> oh well
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[03:17:51] <sahil> heh
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[07:39:00] <hwdyki> what's the difference between PLAIN and LOGIN sasl auth mechanisms?
[07:39:38] <Motoko-chan> Different ways of passing the informatino
[07:39:41] <Motoko-chan> information
[07:56:30] <hwdyki> both use plaintext?
[08:02:36] <dragonheart> login uses base64  encoded plain text afaik
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[09:09:51] <shasta> ... which is still plaintext ;)
[09:12:16] <hwdyki> does alias_maps apply to virtual mailboxes?
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[09:19:18] <shasta> !virtual_alias_maps
[09:19:19] <knoba> shasta: "virtual_alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote address. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).
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[10:23:55] <hwdyki> is it possible to relay smtp authentication to another mta?
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[11:02:31] <hwdyki> how do i create a mailing list? is it just creating an alias with multiple names?
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[11:15:54] <loompek> hwdyki for a mailing list you'd need a peice of software...
[11:15:58] <loompek> mailman or something
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[14:34:13] <matholio> hello
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[14:35:41] <matholio> consider mailing list with many member, they want to split the list.  instead I propose to have multiple mailing addresses which post to a single list and prefixes the subject depending in the address used to post.
[14:35:50] <matholio> Is this something postfix could help with ?
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[14:44:03] <jochen> Hello, I'm using Postfix 2.5.1 on my server. There are two domains that link to the server's IP, say "foo.com" and "bar.com". I have for example two linux users "fred" and "mary". I'm using virtual_alias_maps. myhostname in main.cf is "foo.com". If I write "fred at bar dot com fred" into the virtual alias map, the mail will be redirected to fred at foo dot com. I want it to be "fred at bar dot com". How to do that?
[14:45:03] <jochen> Trying "fred at bar dot com fred at bar dot com" resulted in an error like: user not in virtual db
[14:55:37] <MrNaz> my mails are having their spam value upped unnecessarily because Postfix is using a numeric HELO address. $myhostname is my FQDN so I dont know why it would be doing this. what are the relevant variables i should be checking ?
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[15:00:06] <lennard> MrNaz: smtp_helo_name (taken from smtp(8))
[15:07:51] <MrNaz> smtp_helo_name is set to $myhostname
[15:08:06] <MrNaz> according to postconf | grep helo anyway
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[16:47:42] <BuenGenio> hello
[16:47:50] <BuenGenio> i know it's sunday, but i need a hand here if possible
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[16:48:14] <BuenGenio> i've set up RoundCube webmail, which uses the folder Mail in users' homes to store sent and deleted messages
[16:48:41] <BuenGenio> new mail is actually received and stored by postfix in ~/mail/new or cur...
[16:49:16] <BuenGenio> which directive do i use to specify the format and folder where new mail should be stored?
[16:50:09] <BuenGenio> and how will it affect the rest of the system? (i suppose i need to switch to mbox-style inbox file, and set it up in ~/Mail
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[17:03:53] <echelon> hi
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[17:04:28] <echelon> does postfix's IMAP require the full email address for login?
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[17:19:23] <echelon> anyone know if you need to use the entire e-mail address for authentication with IMAP?
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[17:21:16] <lunaphyte> echelon: that's a function of how you've configured it.
[17:21:32] <echelon> ah, thanks
[17:23:03] <echelon> are there scripts available to register accounts?
[17:23:15] <echelon> for virtualhosts
[17:23:34] <echelon> oh nvm, i'm using mysql db
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[17:31:39] <shasta> "postfix's IMAP"? wtf
[17:35:23] <lennard> BuenGenio: home_mailbox, postconf(5) for more details ofcourse
[17:35:46] <BuenGenio> and what about inbox format?
[17:35:49] <lennard> or, you could figure out how to configure roundcube ;)
[17:35:56] <lennard> BuenGenio: its all in the syntax of that var
[17:36:07] <BuenGenio> ok, cheers!
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[17:36:42] <adnc> can someone point me to a documentation for postfix and dkim
[17:38:57] <BuenGenio> lennard, how will changing the mailbox path/format affect using mail from the shell?
[17:40:19] <BuenGenio> actually, does that mean i also need to configure the IMAP server?
[17:40:34] <BuenGenio> so it knows where the Inbox is...
[17:40:39] <BuenGenio> i assume it needs to know that, right
[17:40:59] <adnc> has someone experiences with mail services like hotmail if they mark mails as spam if they are not signed via dkim
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[17:44:21] <lennard> BuenGenio: I don't know about mail from the shell, and unless you configure postfix to match the default of the imapserver, yes, ofcourse you'll need to change its config
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[17:51:12] <Kalzath> Quick question - anyone know how to rerun the pseudo graphical configuration for postfix?  I need to change some of the things entered into it without trawling the config files.
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[17:53:11] <lennard> Kalzath: do you mean the debian/ubuntu stuff?
[17:53:28] <lunaphyte> that seems like more trouble than it's worth.  why not just change what you need to change?
[17:53:35] <Kalzath> Comes up asking for configuration site type - Internet Site etc.
[17:53:48] <lennard> Kalzath: yeah.. thats debian and derivates specific
[17:53:53] <lennard> try dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[17:56:35] <Kalzath> Aha - cheers lennard
[17:56:51] <echelon> can you point an MX record to a CNAME record?
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[17:58:05] <lennard> echelon: no
[17:58:08] <lennard> very bad idea :P
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[18:20:10] <ThatKidKel> anyone here filter outbound email from their customers?  for spam?
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[18:44:35] <adnc> is there somewhere a documentation to dkim and postfix?
[18:45:01] <ThatKidKel> what is the recommended spam/virus software package (preferablly opensource) for use with Postfix?
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[18:47:31] <lunaphyte> adnc: probably.
[18:47:41] <lunaphyte> ThatKidKel: whichever one you like.
[18:48:12] <adnc> great answer
[18:48:46] <lunaphyte> great question :)
[18:49:04] <adnc> ohh, sure, the next sentence will be, ask google
[18:49:19] <ThatKidKel> lunaphyte..  hehe..  i'm trying to find an all inclusive package..  something with fewer moving parts..
[18:50:10] <lunaphyte> ThatKidKel: you're less likely to find that if one of your criteria is open source.
[18:50:42] <ThatKidKel> anyone have a comment on spamhaus?  i dont' wanna spend thousands for a data feed if its no good
[18:50:46] <lunaphyte> adnc: what should it be?
[18:51:35] <adnc> i'm happy with any usefull tutorial, documentation any information
[18:51:44] <adnc> regarding dkim and postfix
[18:53:14] <lunaphyte> ThatKidKel: i think you'll find most folks here regard spamhaus as generally respectable.  try them and decide for yourself.
[18:53:19] <lunaphyte> !zen
[18:53:20] <knoba> lunaphyte: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL
[18:53:23] <echelon> does the MX record have to be on a subdomain? can you make the FQDN the MX record?
[18:53:42] <lunaphyte> adnc: where have you looked so far?
[18:53:59] <lunaphyte> echelon: huh?  subdomain?
[18:55:23] <lunaphyte> the term subdomain implies further delegation.  is that really what you mean?
[18:55:34] <echelon> what i meant was
[18:56:39] <echelon> if i have domain.com, can i just create a MX record like this if the mail server is on the same machine.. domain.com  MX  1 86400 domain.com
[18:57:12] <echelon> domain.com.  MX  1 86400 domain.com.
[18:57:21] <echelon> like that
[18:57:25] <lunaphyte> sure (whether or not it's on the same machine has nothing to do with it).
[18:57:30] <lunaphyte> well, not quite like that.
[18:57:30] <echelon> oh ok
[18:57:39] <lunaphyte> you have your ttl and priority reversed.
[18:57:53] <echelon> oh, how should it be?
[18:58:21] <echelon> oh
[18:58:28] <echelon> yeah, that's just how my dns provider shows it
[18:58:29] <echelon> thanks
[18:58:36] <lunaphyte> actually, i take that back, you've got your rr type, ttl, and mx priority all screwed up :)
[18:58:50] <lunaphyte> look for yourself and see : dig gmail.com mx (for example)
[18:59:29] <echelon> thanks again :)
[18:59:57] <lunaphyte> sure thing
[19:06:23] <echelon> for ttl i have 1/2 hour 1 hour 12 hours 1 day 1 week
[19:06:28] <echelon> which one is 3600?
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[19:08:18] <lunaphyte> umm..  are you saying you don't know how long 3600 seconds is?
[19:08:27] <echelon> oh, that's in seconds?
[19:08:48] <echelon> heh
[19:08:57] <echelon> got it
[19:09:09] <lunaphyte> yes.  it can be written in human readable for though, if you like.  it certain makes the zones files a bit easier to read.
[19:09:27] <lunaphyte> 3600 can be written as 1H
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[19:36:07] <echelon> how do i make use of my dns provider's mail servers and have them forward to my mail server?
[19:37:12] <echelon> it's currently like this..
[19:37:22] <echelon> domain.com. 3600 IN MX 0 smtp.secureserver.net.
[19:37:38] <echelon> domain.com. 3600 IN MX 10 mailstore1.secureserver.net.
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[19:40:08] <adnc> i get this error
[19:40:09] <adnc> warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/run/dkim-filter/dkim-filter.sock: No such file or directory
[19:40:24] <adnc> although this socket exists, but created by dkim-filter user
[19:40:42] <adnc> it claims that it does not exist
[19:41:05] <azah_> Hi. i'll start by saying i'm not the best with postfix. I was hoping someone here could point me in the right directions while setting up a mailing list. :)
[19:41:07] <adnc> is postfix running in a sort of jail? if so how can i avoid this
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[19:42:00] <azah_> I installed mlmmj and did the basic config, but in the log i'm getting "User unknown in virtual alias table", even though that should go through the name in the alias file
[19:46:26] <azah_> i figure i'm missing something with the myhostname parameters, where i probably didn't put in the domain name for the list
[19:47:13] <vice-versa> !unknown_virtual
[19:47:14] <knoba> vice-versa: "unknown_virtual" : \"User unknown in virtual $X table\" means that the recipient domain was found in $virtual_$X_domains but the username@domain was not found in $virtual_$X_maps. ("$X" can be either alias or mailbox .)
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[19:55:32] <azah_> hmm interesting, my setting is: virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual
[19:55:46] <azah_> but what's then the use for /etc/postfix/aliases ?
[19:56:36] <azah_> alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases
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[20:02:16] <echelon> postfix listens on port 25 by default?
[20:02:26] <echelon> i mean.. 0.0.0.0:25 ?
[20:03:05] <adnc> how can i find out if my postfix runs in a chroot environment?
[20:07:12] <adnc> is this such a difficult question?
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[20:11:15] <twrtzwrt> hi. i want to use postfix with mysql-support for virtual aliases and virtual mailboxes. it works fine so far, but is there a way to put the general mysql-server-config in the main.cf instead of having a separate config in every mysql-... .cf file?
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[20:24:41] <vice-versa> !tell adnc chroot
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[20:51:47] <adnc> vice-versa: thank you
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[21:11:28] <gamercod4> hi all
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[21:12:33] <gamercod4> http://pastebin.com/m65de2f96 , this is the postconf -n
[21:14:16] <gamercod4> and the log : v
[21:14:19] <gamercod4> and the log : http://pastebin.com/m44533941
[21:14:25] <gamercod4> can you help me please ?
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[21:22:23] <sysmonk> evenin evil people
[21:23:11] <gamercod4> hi sysmonk
[21:23:21] <gamercod4> can you help me please ?
[21:24:03] <gamercod4> postfix don't recognize the sql user of it :(
[21:24:17] <sysmonk> gamercod4: not at this moment
[21:24:20] <sysmonk> just got from latvia
[21:24:33] <sysmonk> wanna find something to eat first (*hungry*)
[21:24:51] <gamercod4> ^^
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[21:53:53] <DarKPhoX7133> Hey
[21:54:19] <DarKPhoX7133> I have a problem with postfix, Its still saving in mbox format in /var/mail when i need it to be saving in maildir format in $home/Maildir
[21:54:23] <DarKPhoX7133> anyone got any idea's?
[21:54:44] <DarKPhoX7133> >> home_mailbox = Maildir/
[21:54:47] <DarKPhoX7133> :\
[21:54:51] <echelon> hi, what are some solutions if the isp blocks port 25?
[21:55:30] <thumbs> echelon: host your server in a data center.
[21:55:44] <DarKPhoX7133> Or a new ISP
[21:55:55] <echelon> thumbs: i am
[21:56:08] <DarKPhoX7133> why would your data center block port 25 :S
[21:56:21] <thumbs> echelon: then the data center has no right to block that port
[21:56:26] <thumbs> echelon: call their suport
[21:56:56] <echelon> hrm
[21:57:16] <echelon> i think it's a verizon business line
[21:57:40] <thumbs> in a data center?
[21:57:43] <DarKPhoX7133> thumbs, any ideas about my problem??
[21:57:47] <thumbs> switch data center.
[21:57:51] <DarKPhoX7133> lol
[21:57:58] <DarKPhoX7133> which country is your data center in?
[21:58:14] <gamercod4> can you help me ?
[21:58:22] <gamercod4> postfix don't recognize user in sql
[21:58:35] <gamercod4> [21:12:45] <gamercod4> http://pastebin.com/m65de2f96 , this is the postconf -n
[21:58:41] <gamercod4> [21:14:31] <gamercod4> and the log : http://pastebin.com/m44533941
[21:59:01] <gamercod4> the mailbox isn't create when i send an email to it
[21:59:08] <gamercod4> and error in the log
[22:00:23] <DarKPhoX7133> :( sorry gamer, im kinda new to this myself
[22:00:45] <DarKPhoX7133> do you know why my postfix is still saving in mbox format instead of maildir tho?
[22:01:19] <gamercod4> i can help you sorry , i start postfix today ^^
[22:01:36] <DarKPhoX7133> hurrar were both useless :P
[22:01:56] <vice-versa> gamercod4: do you have a local unix account user named admin?
[22:02:14] <gamercod4> vice-versa: no , i use the sql database
[22:02:27] <vice-versa> to=<admin at antehistos dot eu>, relay=local
[22:02:39] <vice-versa> note the relay=
[22:02:59] <gamercod4> what i do put on relay ?
[22:03:05] <gamercod4> (sorry for my bad english)
[22:03:31] <vice-versa> it's becuase you're specifying antehistos.eu in mydestination
[22:03:34] <vice-versa> !mydestination
[22:03:35] <knoba> vice-versa: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents.
[22:04:22] <gamercod4> ok
[22:04:52] <vice-versa> you need to re-evaluate your configuration
[22:05:15] <gamercod4> yes , but what i can specifying on mydestination ? :(
[22:05:25] <DarKPhoX7133> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeayyy i sorted it myself, there was a stupid procmail command floating around, so postfix was passing to procmail to deliver
[22:05:31] <DarKPhoX7133> im guessing thats what the problem is
[22:05:35] <vice-versa> surely your hostname should be mail.antehistos.eu
[22:05:41] <gamercod4> i've read this tutorial (in french) http://olange.developpez.com/articles/debian-etch/installation-serveur-dedie/?page=page_6#LVI
[22:06:03] <vice-versa> !tutorial
[22:06:03] <knoba> vice-versa: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their mail server without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[22:06:58] <rob0> !TPW
[22:06:59] <knoba> rob0: Error: "TPW" is not a valid command.
[22:07:03] <gamercod4> ^^
[22:08:29] <vice-versa> !basic
[22:08:29] <vice-versa> !standard
[22:08:29] <vice-versa> !virtual
[22:08:30] <knoba> vice-versa: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.
[22:08:31] <knoba> vice-versa: "standard" : Your question is probably answered in http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html
[22:08:32] <knoba> vice-versa: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and user accounts (that do not need to exist in your /etc/passwd). See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[22:09:36] <gamercod4> thanks ;)
[22:14:36] <gamercod4> vice-versa: Sep  7 22:12:24 ns364544 postfix/virtual[4243]: 71FB6404E: to=<admin at antehistos dot eu>, relay=virtual, delay=0.15, delays=0.03/0.02/0/0.1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to maildir)
[22:14:52] <gamercod4> when i've change the hostname by mail.dom.tld
[22:14:53] <gamercod4> :)
[22:17:32] <gamercod4> thanks ;)
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[22:26:29] <adnc> is someone using dkim with postfix here? i get some errors and i wonder if this is the right channel for it
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[22:50:08] <twrtzwrt> sry to ask again, but is there a way to handle the basic config (host, user, pw) for the use of a mysql database with postfix in the main.cf instead of having the same settings in several mysql-...-.cf files?
[22:51:29] <dragonheart> no
[22:52:11] <dragonheart> there isn't a way like that
[22:52:32] <twrtzwrt> uhm, ok
[22:53:32] <sysmonk> i can do part-time postfix mysql config file password change for you
[22:54:05] <sysmonk> on a monthly basis for 99.99$
[22:54:44] <twrtzwrt> hehe, thanks for the offer - but i guess i can handle that myself
[22:54:57] <twrtzwrt> if i am forced to :(
[22:54:58] <sysmonk> ewww :/ no you can't
[22:55:04] <sysmonk> you REALLY need my services
[22:55:04] <sysmonk> ;)
[22:55:41] * vice-versa reports sysmonk to the union
[22:55:46] <sysmonk> hehe
[22:55:57] <sysmonk> hard trip it was, need to go to sleep()
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[22:56:18] <sysmonk> nighty
[22:56:26] <twrtzwrt> night
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[23:39:16] <DarKPhoX7133> Vice-versa u about?
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[23:39:47] <Ramattack> Hi all!!
[23:40:20] <DarKPhoX7133> Hey Ram
[23:40:42] <Ramattack> perhaps could nobody know this here... but....does anybody know or has a good howto for Postfix+Cyrus-IMAP (lmtp) +Mysql for FreeBSD?
[23:40:53] <Ramattack> here we are DarKPhoX7133 :)
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[23:42:29] <adnc> i would like to make use of dkim but i dont know if my public key is visible for the servers
[23:42:34] <adnc> how can i find this out?
[23:46:17] <Ramattack> really, no idea mate, sorry I suppose it could be done via TXT records on DNS perhaps....
[23:46:42] <adnc> Ramattack: yes, do you know how i can find out which TXT records a domain has
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[23:48:07] <magyar> hi, is there a way  to view postgrey database output?
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[23:48:22] <Ramattack> fo example SPF is done that way
[23:48:22] <Ramattack> estup2p.com      TXT      'v=spf1 a:mail.estup2p.com'
[23:48:23] <Ramattack> fallensoul:
[23:48:36] <Ramattack> and TXT records are TXT records there are no sort of TXT records...
[23:48:43] <Ramattack> about what exactly should you enter...
[23:48:50] <Ramattack> try googling a little mate, no idea...
[23:48:55] <adnc> Ramattack: yes, and if i wanted to add some more values, for dkim, do i have to append them?
[23:49:08] <adnc> i did
[23:49:32] <Ramattack> mmm no idea sorry, I haven't ever implemented mate :( sorry
[23:50:04] <adnc> Ramattack: if i wanted to find out the spf records of estup2p.com ow do i do this
[23:53:48] <DarKPhoX7133> Can someone please help me with sasl auth
[23:53:51] <DarKPhoX7133> im going to scream in a min
[23:53:52] <DarKPhoX7133> :|
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